Without resorting to the non-arguments of "muh race"

>>135702904
It's bad but it is necessary for the losers of this game.

are you not interested in saving the white race?
fuck off

>>135703132
Yes, but not at the expense of my own happiness.

If you're MGTOW you might as well kill yourself because you're giving up. You're very unlikely to procreate as well and your existence is thus meaningless.

>>135703540
But if being single and not worrying about women makes me happy, why would I kill myself?

>>135702904
Beta as fuck that's why. Start molding girls to your will faggot.

>>135702904

is that the shitty logo? lol
they can go assfuck each other with the identity europe guys with that other shitty logo

>>135703737
You're going to grow old and alone. The people you know will not like you as they will likely have kids themselves. They'll assume you're a weirdo or not like you for your selfish lifestyle.

>>135704172
That's fine. I don't know anyone anyway.

>>135702904
Fembot/human male relationships are the future. Human/human relationships will seem primitive, Mgtow should focus on keeping these legal rather than bitching on the internet

>>135703540
Because she can just "DECIDE" " I am no longer happy with you anymore DIVORCE TIME!!"

And so begins your journey to insanity.

1) https://youtu.be/J6KohcFbkuY - Even if you "win and find the meathole of your dreams, you still loose.

2) https://youtu.be/NLQ7DSgYwkY - This basic cunt did not believe the math...she should have believed him the first time. Remember, Listen to the sloshing!

>>135704172
I've been alone so for and it hasn't bothered me much yet. I still have my small group of platonic friends.

>>135702904
Modern women are awful and none of us want to deal with them. But they're necessary to continue the human race, plain and simple. At some point you sacrifice your own happiness for your kids, so you have something meaningful in your life that will live on long after you're dead.

>>135702904
It's not.

>>135704577
So don't get married.

>>135703243
>muh feelings

>>135704865
Cloning, artificial wombs

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>>135704977
It's a little more than that, friend. For me, it's either lifelong happiness (single), or lifelong unhappiness (marriage).

>>135702904
>>135703132
>>135703540

t. cucks.

Go enter a suicide pact and endure slavery for muh white race.

you really have to wonder if the white race wasn't an issue, if these cucks would even give a fuck about your life OP. Protip: they won't.

The sad part is that these beta cucks know exactly what it would take to get rid of mgtow: fix the divorce laws. Marriage success shouldn't be based on 50% rate, these cucks are commanding you to enter a suicide pact to advance their agenda of repopulating muh white race.

Fuck. Them.

If we all simontaneously got on the mgtow train for 1 month, women would be put in their place. But we have too many nu-male feminists and tradcucks to do that... even though they would benefit the MOST from mgtow.

Enjoy the decline of whites tradcucks, that is what you get for being a bunch of beta cucks and allowing women to have rights. Look at Poland, a white country that jumped back on replacement rate population after they took away women's rights to murder babies.

KYS tradcucks, seriously.

>>135702904
It is the male version of the cock carousel. Playing vidya and drinking beer with the lads is fun in your twenties.

A man in his forties doing the same shit he was in his twenties is pathetic and miserable.

Just like how roasties have a blast getting prolapsed by Chad in her 20s becomes roadkill crotch and gross in her 30s and 40s.

>>135705869
This. Don't be partying into your 40's. Do what I did and volunteer abroad to find a cute loyal wife. There are literally millions of Malaysians willing to devote their lives to a pure-hearted white American volunteer.

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>>135702904
>good goy

without telling the truth, tell me why the earth is round

>>135704092

Easier said than done. Once you hit mid to late twenties the women are already broken or married. You can get lucky and maybe find a 20 year old who's only had one or two boyfriends but after that the programming takes over.

However don't go MGTOW. Go to the fucking gym, get new hobbies, and start making money. Make yourself such a catch that a Gen Z girl will want to be with knowing she will be taken care of for life.

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>>135702999
no, not in the slightest
all humans fucking suck and I'm not living my life to help a group of people who share naught but a skin colour

>>135706530
fuck i replied to the wrong post, meant the other fucker

>>135706426

>be 40
>marry gen Z
>kids graduate college
>die
>wife will outlive you by 20 years.

There are downsides for being 10+ years older than your partner.

>>135706218
>implying the earth isn't a cube

>>135702904
Women in your faggy age group are out-earning you anyway. Just write a fucking pre-nup if you don't trust yourself to spot a gold digger in the time it takes to know a woman well enough to marry her.

MGTOW is for losers who think women are too complicated, so they just give up. Take responsibility for your own life, call the shots, don't allow women to get away with shit when you meet them and realize everyone has to take some lumps in life. Hiding in the corner being a male feminist just means you are a pussy. Go your own way if you want to, but don't get sucked into this women hater club for bitter fearful faggots.

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>>135702904
(OP) is a brainlet

>>135706426
That's one of my main concerns, actually. If I was to get married, I'd want to have a girl who loved me for me, not my money. As I get older, I'm becoming more convinced that women like that are few and far between.

>>135705291
I hope so. As soon as we can make our own children and have sexbots on the side, cunts will be obsolete.

>>135706426
+1
I'm on it. Meanwhile, MGTOW

I got fit for the sake of the sport and I've noticed that many girls regret rejecting me. Totally worth it and is super fun!.

The thing is that I really like women around my age. But they are getting ugly at an incredible rate.

My career still does not take off.... Other than that, I'm just fine.

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>>135702904
Even if you're a beta faggot, you should be able to recognize that MGTOW is basically a support-group for men, the equivalent of a feminist knitting circle (>implying), but for men.

Why do you need a support group? Are you some kind of woman? No? Then you shouldn't need to identify with some group. A man does what he wants, when he wants it. He's autonomous. That's part of what makes him a man.

If you need an external identity given to you in order to gather strength, you're a weakling. You can only become strong from inside out, not outside in. You're like an egg, and some day someone will come around and crack you, and all of your gooey suppressed insides will come pouring out, because you fled instead of faced your problems. You adopted a shell, instead of toughening up to meet your challenges.

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>>135702904
Go ahead, more bitches for me

>>135703132
Fuck the white race. It's not worth saving. For what? Another few centuries of the self-loathing cucks selling out their history and heritage? They're the ones in charge. They have the power. Not you fuckin guys on here whining about muh white pride.

While you're on here calling guys like us pathetic losers, the white people that matter are selling their dignity for shekels and BBC.

You spend your entire day on here calling out people for being niggerlovers and jewblind and slaves to lies and propaganda. Meanwhile MGTOWs are some of the few people out there who actually see this bullshit and act accordingly.

Checked the fuck out. Not in the game. No dog in this fight.

The balls on you, trying to talk shit to some of the most RPd people on earth while you're nothing more than fucking slaves to a dead ideology.

>>135702904
Jew lawyers open champaigns every time someone marries a white woman. The couple will eventually divorce because she is an unbearable feminist bitch, and the Jew lawyers will take a good part of the dude's hard-earned money. Marriage between white people is a Jew scheme so that Jew lawyers take white men's money with the help of white women.

Or so MGTOW go. But it is all clearly false.

>>135707154

LOL AN EXCELLENT POINT:

>women age 20-30 out earn their men.
>they will resent you if you don't make enough to support their current lifestyle: either in their late 20's when they start thinking of a family or when they get pregnant.
>75% of married couples where the women makes more than the man end up divorcing.
>you missed the article where higher earning women would rather freeze their eggs than settle with a man that makes less.

mgtow think women are complicated? On the contrary, they are simple and predictable.

goodgoy

>>135705869
What if you're rich and you don't want to date? Bitches will fuck anyone with money, as long as you aren't a cunt to your lads, you won't die alone, so what's the prob?

>>135704865
>so you have something meaningful in your life that will live on long after you're dead.

Being this mongoloid.

Everyone dies alone. Everyone is forgotten.

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>>135707688
Best post I've seen so far. But I'm more interested in the philosophy than MGTOW itself. I'm not looking for a support group, just asking what everyone thinks about their ideas.

>>135707688
Get the fuck out of here with that personal power horseshit, Sven Robbins. It's not a support group.

>>135702904
Women aren't that bad if you aren't obsessed with getting laid. When you let their pussy hold all the power then yeah, they will abuse the shit out of it and make people miserable. When you treat them like you don't give a shit about what's between their legs, they can sometimes be enjoyable to hang with. They will be more willing to fuck you as well, so it's a win win.

MGTOW basically resigns themselves into thinking women hold all this power due to them not satisfying their sexual urges and think they are that much better because they don't get laid, or use cheaphanded tactics to achieve it. While it's true pussy doesn't mean the end all be all, you can take it off the pedestal and still get it by not being autistic.

Mgtow + prostitutes. Even all the non mgtows i know that are 35+ bang prostitutes on the normal, why wait

>>135707988
>wanting kids is a dead ideology

This post is a perfect example of why you shouldn't be mgtow

>>135708792
Thing is when you constantly have to not give shit (whether its an act or not) why would you want to put time into something you dont give about

>>135702904
>why the MGTOW philosophy is so bad
Intellectually vapid and ultimately empty. It promises nothing but hedonism followed by decades of bitterness once you're old.

>>135709188

bitterness, nah.

self-actualization, contentment.

The only people who will be bitter and resentful are the women that are left freezing their eggs. I hope they enjoyed LARPing as a man their entire lives.

>>135708987
White supremacy is the dead ideology you idiotic fuck. Maybe at one time, yes. No longer.

White people had the crown then sold it out of liberal guilt and shame. For that you deserve nothing more than the rope.

"Mgtow" as an ideology is specifically for the people that cant figure it out on their own. Then theres the mgtow'esc, or those who figured it out organically. Mgtow is like the beginners guide written by those who figured it out organically so you can use it as a base and evolve it without having to waste a shit ton of years an resources just to figure out the basics.

>>135708066
heterosexual men are now 'good goys'? Who's jewing who here? The person in a happy long term relationship or the nu-male eunuch?
>they are simple and predictable.
Yet you still aren't clever enough to bag one.
You are already into the rape jr. phase of MGTOW, it's probably too late for you. Carry on.

>>135702904
MGTOW even has a horrible alt. gender symbol now. Forget it. They lost at life. Women aren't scary. If you made yourself the catch instead of alternately fearing and worshipping women you wouldn't have these problems. Be self sufficient. Find a kind hearted girl who is as ugly as you are, trust me she wont risk leaving you.

It's only bad if you want to save your race, or go back to traditionalism.

>>135709855
enjoy your divorce rape and alimony.

and afterwards, enjoy the real rape in prison.

I can't believe people like you when you have the divorce stats staring you in the face. Your only argument is "man up" and enter this suicide pact. Why dont you go ahead and lead by example, for future generations.

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>>135709855
>>135710494

Theres no reason to be againt mgtow (unless ur a chick but those against it say chicks dont want em anyways which if thats the case then no reason for even them to be against it). If more betas pull outta the game it raises the market value for those still in it. The betas are the junk bonds that tank the overall market. The only people that would benefit from being against it would be people who want to keep mens overall market value down

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>>135710314
Actually it's Transgender Lesbians Going Their Own Way now.
TLGTOW
Pronounced "Tilg Touh"

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>>135708517
I don't know enough about their beliefs to go into too much depth. Their marketing is so sleazy that I close the page as soon as I open it, and anyone representing them is inevitably always an obnoxious asshole.

Standard advice applies: condense their wisdom for analysis, take what you find useful, and move on. Don't tie yourself up to an external identity, make your own. As soon as you give power away to something external, you're a dependant, and you never want to be a dependant.

>>135708584
>Sven Robbins
Nice one. I've never watched any of his stuff, as I get bored by self-motivational stuff almost immediately. I wish I had his voice, though - guess I better order 500 packs of cigarettes and start smoking.

What I meant to say is just that you already have, or can aquire, everything you need to get to where you (reasonably) want. Just lay out the steps, and do it.

>>135709547
White supremacy is only lost when the idea of it is. We will recover, mark my words, within our lifetimes either of two things will happen: we will solve it ideologically and have a soft(er) revolution, OR all of europe/the US will turn into Yugoslavia, and there's nothing whites do better than methodical cold genocide of their enemies. We might get backed into a corner, but if that happens we'll knock the other fighter out, the referee, and then the whole god damn stadium. With modern DNA technology, god help the Jews that try to hide out amongst us after this phase ends.

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>>135710952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eiclT3-23A

>>135704556
Also, we should start financing somehow surrogacy businesses. A lot of MGTOW men want to teach their knowledge to the next generation or have kids, but women are a fuckin pain in the ass.

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It's basically your way of turning being a kissless virgin into a tough masculine identity piece. Literally no one who could get sex would think this, because it's clearly born out of resentment for all those 'whores' who wouldn't fuck you with a 20 foot pole

>>135711275

you are ignoring the fact that these men all got laid and some even had multiple wives.

kys. cuck.

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See
>>135707275
and
>>135708375
and pic related

In a nutshell, MGTOW furthers the feminist agenda of destroying the main institution of the patriarchy, which is marriage. Without marriage there are no families and there is no civilization. What's left is tribalism where the rejected men split off form their own tribe, come back and kill all the men and children and rape the women. Basically, we exchange civilization and revert to acting like savage African niggers living in shit huts.

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>>135711548
MGTOW isn't about destroying marriage, it's about bringing back male authority in marriage to marriage actually works.

>>135711802
>***MGTOW isn't about destroying marriage, it's about bringing back male authority into marriage, so marriage actually works.

>>135711457
I'm highly skeptical of that, in any case the only people who are going to respond to the kind of message and rhetoric of this bullshit online are the people I described

>>135711802
This is goalpost moving.
Another one of you fucks said that MGTOW is simply remaining a bachelor. Which is it?

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>>135704954
Sure. That will stop it.

I'm going to be a honest. MGTOW is quite RPd but it's also a loser's empty bet. That doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. It just means that MGTOW people are aware that the game doesn't need to be played because the game is harmful.

I don't understand why people are upset at MGTOW. Why? People just don't want to be part of society. So why not let them?

Personally speaking, I'm not a MGTOW myself but I can definitely see their perspective.

>>135712237

I have no idea why virgins would turn to mgtow.

MGTOW is more for married men that got fucked over more than anything else. do you not know any one in real life that has been fucked over by marriage because the woman was "bored"?

>>135712583

that is a very good question, there must be some evolutionary psychology behind the distaste of men dropping out.

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>>135712243
MGTOW is basically a boycott of marriage till its fixed.

Basically it's like men who are going Galt in an overbearing Socialist system that is taxing/regulating them do death. They'll go back to running their businesses once the government stops shitting on them.

Most MGTOW would go back to women if male authority was brought back.

Some are forever bachelors and TFL (True Forced Loneliness.)

It's a large group of men from different backgrounds.

>>135709170
All it takes is a few drinks, some clever banter and not being ugly to get laid. I do a lot of things in my fault life that are much more difficult than getting laid.

Starting a goid relationship is much harder to do.

>>135711275
Why do you obvious virgins project so much? I call you obvious virgins because only virgins put pussy on a pedestal. Not even Chads do that, they mostly just fuck because it is a strong urge to do so. It really is not that special, kinda like eating takeout. Its like saying everyone who browses /pol is an autistic NEET virgin without a college degree or social skills.

No it couldn't be that the increasingly gynocentric society that disenfranchises men or the innate hypergamous, vain, shallow vapidity, and increasingly absurd entitlement of women (the world over), it must just be because you are a beta kissless virgin.

Even if one is all those things that you mentioned, how again does that in anyway invalidate MGTOW? You see the divorce statistics, the shallowness of females (who are obsessed social media), the constant beratement of men in various forms of the media and you think its worth it? Sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze, sometimes the grapes really ARE sour. And I say this as someone who lost his virginity in his early teens (not everyone on /pol is a hapless virgin like you).

But this is how /pol argues. Most just have some extremely autistic, black and white view of the world with absolutely no nuance because they are so easily triggered by anything that contradicts their fragile, pathetic world view.
But its the MGTOW that are just like the feminist they many of you say, even though both you tradcucks and femishits are two sides of the same coin called gynocentriscism.

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>>135702904

All straight men have a natural attraction to women.It is possible to form a relationship with a women that is not exclusively sexual. A good relationship is emotionally and physically rewarding. It's mutually beneficial and shouldn't be considered an obstacle for success.

>>135703540
THIS

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>>135702904
Won't do shit, they'll just take your money through their votes instead

>>135702999

FPBP

It's the greatest consolation prize.

>>135713740


lol your post reminded me of something.

my mom hosted her cousin's family, fucking multimillionares. When raising their daughter, they bought her cheap shit so she would be trained not to be an entitled hypergamous cunt.

Worked out well so far. They married her off to a kid who's dad is a barber. They had humble beginnings also.

>>135703540
>You're very unlikely to procreate as well and your existence is thus meaningless.
If your existence is meaningless without having kids it is meaningless having kids the only thing being the delusion of meaning which you carry.

Your existence is just as meaningless as mine and potentially a hell of alot more and your solution is to get into a slavery contract with some bitch who fan fuck you over at any time just to feel the illusion of meaning.

Your meaning is that of a ATM.

>>135704172
>>You're going to grow old and alone.
What are friends and family? Also
>Imply people with family and kids don't die alone as well.
>The people you know will not like you as they will likely have kids themselves.
On NO! Boring, insecure, uppity cunts don't like me anymore because I'm not a flesh drone like they are!
>They'll assume you're a weirdo or not like you for your selfish lifestyle.
Gasp! I will no longer be friends with shallow, superficial morons who can't see beyond their basic biological programming. Fuck if I feed the needy, cured cancer, ended world hunger and shit like that, its all about the chil'drens!
KEK, just some bullshit cucks say to make themselves feel like they have accomplished something profound in life.

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>>135703243
more to life than just the $$ anon

>>135702904

kikes are genociding whites. it's very real. white people need to breed, and they need to do so desperately and fast. i sometimes think about going on an impregnation rampage before leaving the country. white babies without a father are better than nonwhitebabies with a father.

>>135703243

Stop being afraid of risk. Sacrifice now, bargain with the future, score those sweet returns. Happy people took risks back then to enjoy their time now.

Remember, a healthy society is based on sacrifice. Man sacrifices his time and effort for his family, the town sacrifices their young for the defense of their nation, the county votes on taxes to improve the state, and the state represents us all.

>>135704865
>But they're necessary to continue the human race
For now however we only need them to carry the kid to term now. After a woman gives birth you do not fucking need her any more in any way and it is cheaper just to hire maids and put your kid in daycare then it is to get a wife.
>At some point you sacrifice your own happiness for your kids
If i don't talk to mine or deal with them then i won't.
> so you have something meaningful in your life that will live on long after you're dead.
The kids will only live a few decades after your death.

If my parents both died tonight then even thou i might have 5 decades of existence left eventually it will end (especially if i die younger like in this decade, or the next, or the one after that and the one after that).

>>135704092
>Thinking this works in 2017 when women are completely brainwashed with 'U go gurl!' feminist propaganda and media their whole lives

>>135702904
It may be the closest thing humans have gotten to the Beautiful Ones in the Mouse Utopia experiment.

>>135702904
It's lonely...

Nothing sadder than a old man with no one who cares about him.

That is a sad fate.

>>135702904
In short; I would refer you to the John Calhour experiment, the 'Beautiful Ones' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

>>135704865
Lol I bet you don't even remember your great grandparents (let alone your great great grand parents). having children is not a legacy to boast about and having children in and of itself is not a noble act, that is nigger tier thinking.Congrats you share the same accomplishments as Tyrone. Most children will be mediocre, people who took up space and "contributions" were wholly unneeded. You can call me edgy, but I believe in quality over quantity.

>>135702904
it's very existence shows that (non degenerate) humans will simply die off in a few generations.
https://youtu.be/HfNKFvHtA3g

>>135712583
Roasties larping as white nationalists are the ones upset at mgtow for obvious reason

>>135704577
Get a prenup it's not that hard.

>>135706655
literally nothing wrong with this

>>135713047
Men are the workhorse of our gender; it is our innate capacity for utilitarian purposes that is valued. Men drop out, things don't get fixed/build, society crumbles, and women WILL NOT pick up the slack because they are generally not capable neither physically nor mentally to do so. Much like how a workhorse is beaten when it does not work, men are shamed when they decide to drop out of society. At least a workhorse gets a carrot placed in front of its face.

mgtow is a reaction to the current state of affairs. as areas get overpopulated, space becomes limited & more expensive. the costs of raising a kid goes up. in today's age, birth can be controlled and so women close up shop.

the purpose of sex then becomes recreational. as it is a recreational act, women want the best that they can "afford". what we call "alphas" actually end up having MORE sex than women but the value of women (even the lowest tier woman) is higher than that of a man.

guys who cannot 'afford' these women either check out (mgtow) or will try to subvert the system somehow (sexpatting, prostitution, so on).

at the moment, kids aren't needed so what's leftover are lifestyle choices. If you don't want sex/can't afford the market then you can be mgtow. There isn't anything wrong with that.

>>135715128

I might sacrifice in my non-western islamic country:

>no alimony
>no no-fault divorce.
>even if we divorce and it was my fault, i'm not forced to give her 50% of my assets... only the amount we agreed on before marriage. She doesn't get your house, but moves back with her parents.
>there is child support BUT she only gets the child till age 10 and I get him for the rest.
>they always fear being uppity because you can easily get a second wife in secret.
>you can beat her and put her in her place and she can't call the cops on you... but if you are a serial abuser she can legally divorce you. useful to keep a bitch in line.

>>135702904
it's nihilistic. it's the hardcore fem-nazi mentality except from the opposite direction. it's ultimately destructive and anti-human. it is a huge wast of time.

There is a way to be immortal and that's to live through your ancestors.

>>135716920
maybe not, my father died after i graduated college, i didn't know what to do. unemployed for years after with an engineering degree. could have used his connections to work in a bank.

>>135702904
Marriage and reproduction are the foundations of civilized society. Without the family, civilization will crumble and you will be at fault. Women need to be reigned in and controlled and the current women's liberation trends utterly reversed.

>>135717035
There obviously is something wrong with it. Lowered birth rates and a dying population in every single developed country. All of them. Every. Single. One. It's the reasoning given for encouraging massive immigration from undeveloped nations.

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>>135702904

Because it ultimately leads to societal collapse via low birth rates and lower IQs.

The importing of Spanish speakers and Muslims into Western nations is the beginning of that process.

CHANGE THE FAMILY LAWS. Stop with the mgtow bullshit. It's dumb.

See Divorce Corp on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/user/DivorceCorp

>>135718136
It has to start with ending no-fault divorces.

>>135717835
>Lowered birth rates and a dying population in every single developed country. All of them. Every. Single. One.

I don't deny that there isn't some group behind the scenes. I know there is. I think that climate change is the reason. If human population continues to multiply, consumerism goes up and that means production and pollution goes up as well. The population is not at a critical point so I would guess their reasoning is that it's not all that bad. What I personally don't agree with is the race-mixing promotion. That shit is truly evil.

>>135715761
Not him, but I'm literally at my great grandma's house as we speak.

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>>135718372
>climate change
>pollution
The birth rate isn't going down in the shitty parts of the world. Nope. It's not going down where they execute women for exposing their ankles in public. Nope. It's going down in the parts of the world where there's women's liberation.

>>135702904
MGTOW is male feminism, it is not right-wing, it is not masculine, it is not desirable or respectable. It is an entire "idealogy" devoted to meaningless hedonism and complaining. The only reason why MGTOWs aren't considered SJWs is because they are male untermensch, instead of female.

>>135702904
Critics of MGTOW will say it's nihilistic.
Proponents will say it isn't nihilistic, it's realistic.

Ultimately you should decide for yourself. I always tell anyone who is on the fence with MGTOW all it takes is some more experience with womyn and that is all MGTOW needs to gain your loyalty. Womyn are the best sales persons of MGTOW.

>>135718856
>The birth rate isn't going down in the shitty parts of the world. Nope. It's not going down where they execute women for exposing their ankles in public. Nope. It's going down in the parts of the world where there's women's liberation.

Those people wouldn't be heavy consumers though. So yeah, they can have children as much as they please in order to develop their country. For example, when China had the 1-child policy, this policy did not extend to rural areas.

>>135719027
I'd say MGTOWs are SJWs, just not the type we're used to seeing.

>>135719092
>Critics of MGTOW will say it's nihilistic.
Proponents will say it isn't nihilistic, it's realistic.

The PEOPLE are nihilistic but that doesn't necessarily mean that the ideology itself can't be realistic.

>>135718700
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>>135702904
Because women are extremely easy to deal with and extremely loyal when you choose them right. If you want multiple women, there are girls that are down for that too.

Just buy a cat. Learn how to deal with it. Women are exactly like a cat. You don't chase them, you don't lock them down. They stick around because you are interesting. They become loyal once you are the most interesting thing in her life.

Just be direct with what you want and have no expectation. MGTOW are just heartbroken men that instead of understanding females they decide to hate on them.

Women are wonderful creatures if you learn to understand them.

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>>135702904
Millennialism (from millennium, Latin for "a thousand years"), or chiliasm (from the Greek), is a belief advanced by some Christian denominations that a Golden Age or Paradise will occur on Earth in which "Christ will reign" for 1000 years prior to the final judgment and future eternal state (the "World to Come" of the New Heavens and New Earth). This belief derives primarily from Revelation 20:1–6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIAEAVKcKrs

Theme of this thread.

>>135717647
once kids hit puberty, they are set in a path that parents cannot influence. if you fail, your father fail you as a kid. if you succeed, you father succeeded.

>>135719466
This is a really shitty analogy because cats only stick around because you feed them.
Are you saying women only stick around because you give them shit?

>>135719657
Yup. And their food is a "narrative". Women don't care about money. I was homeless and dated the hottest girls in town and they were dying to marry me.

Women care about the fairy tale you create for them.

It all comes down to you choosing the HOTTEST girl you know. When you are with the HOTTEST you won't look around; you'll focus on her beautiful eyes. You'll listen. You won't cheat.

If things don't work out from the start. Walk away. I'm not telling you to settle with any bitch; I'm saying you have to look around for the hottest girls until you click with one of them.

Then, just do your job. If she is indeed the hottest one, it will come naturally and you will be forever in love. If you settled for mediocrity, then you will stop courting her overtime and the cat will move away because you are not "feeding her".

Meanwhile, Men are Dogs and die-hard loyal.

>>135720215
that'll work in brazil but not in America lol

>>135719654
dude are you serious. when kids hit puberty that is when the father is supposed to start raising the kid.

jesus christ.

>>135702904
if you want honest advice without all the "muh society" here it is: live the mgtow life without any commitment to it. the mgtow life is about focusing on self improvement in very aspect of life. don't get sucked into "woman invented marriage to fuck over men for their own benefit" crap. down the road you'll meet a woman that values that. keep her and ditch mgtow.

What if you don't have enough money? Millenials can't even afford housing, so why would breeding be a good idea at this point? That's the same logic that india and other poor countries have. You can't just throw chrildren out there and hope it helps you need to assemble what troops we have and fix the problem. If you can afford it then go ahead though if you want.

>>135720342
Currently dating a Texan. She was a feminazi and we became close after I found out her dad voted Trump. Now she is redpilled. She is a Medic, I live in a small house, I have less than 10k $ in my name. Her father has a huge farm where they breed horses. It's all about the fairy tale and you staying true to yourself.

Works everywhere, dude. It just happens that Third World animals have better self-esteem, and that's why Latinas, Blacks, etc are more loyal, even to criminals. We have our masculinity on check.

Try to imitate the Men from older movies / Mad Men if you don't have a real life example. It's just like MGTOW, but not giving up on marriage. Just looking for the right girl.

>>135720569
shit, I meant "after puberty". woops, good catch. so, 16-18 for daughters and 18-22 for sons.

>>135702904
Why is bad
Some use it as an excuse to be autistic neets
>>I am beyond women they are just stupid hoes
Why is good
A more open minded version of the MGTOW just tell you to be aware, too stay away from dangerous pussies. Detect and reject the gold diggers, do not raise someone else's kid, a self entitled woman that just jump off the cock carousel is not fit for monogamy anymore.
Basically what /pol/ says day and night

We arrive on Earth as an individual. When we die, we die individually. Your progression throughout the dimensions is individual. Some people came to Earth and it could be that a family was a part of their life experience. Some might not have come to Earth for that particular experience.

Having a partner or kids isn't the end all be all. It is true that your spirit and energy is enhanced with a proper partner but it isn't necessary to develop.

>>135721740
You are just focusing too much on women. Live your life, do something great. Women are the reward. A Wife is the ultimate reward. But like I said, she must be perfect, otherwise it is just a divorce trap. Be strong enough to say NO when you see things going bad. And you'll do great.

>>135721638
right on, it always seemed to me like just an general ideology of avoiding gold diggers and mostly just focusing on yourself.

>>135721638

>just ignore the stats goy, 50% divorce rate, 66% initiated by the woman.

>>135722043
Uh, no. That's not what I was talking about at all.....

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>>135721740
>progress through dimensions
>arriving on Earth

>>135722166
Is that myth of a stat actually what you base your entire ideology on? Sad.

>>135721638
>Basically what /pol/ says day and night
/pol/ has too much emphasis on procreation. mgtow is more selfish/narcissistic because they arent willing to sacrifice for an ideology. I'm a hyper cynic though and I believe that everyone settles into the hedonism of least resistance. And people who seem to 'sacrifice' and give up personal happiness only do it because the sacrifice makes them feel better vs the guilt of being selfish. But in the end its all just what makes you feel good.

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>>135702904
80% of women go for the top 20% of men. The men that can't get laid are MGTOW. While i agree that the sexual liberation of females is a net negative, a large portion of MGTOW are beta cucks whining that they can't get laid.

>>135722400

denial is such a sweet thing kid.

>>135702904
Good goy

>>135722561
So is perpetuating 40 year old myths to justify your virginity you fucking idiot.

https://psychcentral.com/lib/the-myth-of-the-high-rate-of-divorce/

>>135722428
I think we are all becoming niggers uncapable to think about the future. If we all were true hedonist we would be having kids already.
Childless life after 50 is meaningless and depressing. If the end plan is to be so miserable that you end up putting a bullet in your head in your 50s 60s. At least leave a traumatised legacy behind.

>>135722166
Western society has to be fundamentally transformed from its degeneracy or it stands no chance. The problem is that nobody who has the capacity to bring about this change has any incentive to do it. It requires all men, and especially alpha men, to demand women no sex before marriage, to dutifully not cheat on their wives, and for all men to regard a cheating woman as social pariah. Basically, it requires men to put their foot down and shutdown women's lib. Every society that has survived has figured this out, and all the rest have fallen.

>>135723233
Alphas are to busy fucking and making bastards to care about what betas want or think.
When thinking with the dick makes you happy why change?

just take the best ideas from all schools of thought. don't make choices that will lead you to give up money to whores or to the state. don't cuck. don't be dominated by your libido. simple stuff

>>135722844
>https://psychcentral.com/lib/the-myth-of-the-high-rate-of-divorce/

lol you are such a fucking moron you can't even find the correct stats.

>>135723233
>>135723607

why would the alphas fuck if their bastards are going to be raised via betabux from the beta or have it extracted via taxes from the state.

you dont punish the alpha, you punish the women. time to hold them responsible.

>>135723927

That's exactly correct. It's the state that enables this degeneracy. Kids will have to go into orphanages and women will have to rely on charity from homes for unwed mothers just like the old days. Real shame and disgrace becomes the toll for being a whore.

this is the system that we have to live with for now. until the cabal decides that populations can grow, you'll either work within the system or opt out of it.

No one is saying this but 99% of mgtow are losers who couldn't get a girlfriend and say they are mgtow to appear virtuous.

The men that fuck bitches every day don't call themselves mgtow because they are not pathetic.

I don't blame this betask because to get a decent girlfriend nowdays it's close to impossible. You can get used goods at 30 and she will get fat instantly.

Try to get an Asian wife from countries economically challenged and if you fail on that just give up.

For the mu white race argument. White women are even more degenerate than other races. Why would I want a daughter that will fuck tyrone just to spite me?

I only date asian since my first bad experience with a white woman not been able to control herself from fucking everything that moves.

>>135713246
Mgtow is not about getting laid though ive slayed over 100 puss and still gonna keep getting my dik wet. The whole mgtows cant get laid shit is just a meme

>>135702904
Doesn't promote change. The mos affected young men (betas, cucks) should be the ones attacking the gynocentrism.....

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>>135718136
>End the bad laws
Women are a majority of voters, and will never give up their rights willingly. How do you magically fix the problems?

>>135711802
Also non-support of gynocentric system so it collapses and we can reshape it in our image.

>>135702904
watch "turd flinging monkey"
it is not safe for men to sacrifice themselves for ungrateful wimin.
wimin also are getting to be useless... maybe an artificial womb in near future replace them