whatever happened to peak oil? "peak oil" was the "global

>>135663572
for reference, this was something people were claiming was right around the corner even in the 70s and 80s. just watch the original "max max" movies, those are borne out of fears and paranoia during "the gas crisis" and the "peak oil" rhetoric that surrounded it. i was WAY too young to understand that shit back then but they kept it up all through the early 2000s. still waiting for this civilization-destroying crisis to turn up though

>>135663572

Peak oil was an invention by idiots, for idiots.

>hurrr we'll just magically stop drilling for oil at some point because I made a graph that said so

You can't take any of this crap seriously.

>>135663973
>Peak oil was an invention by idiots, for idiots.
yeah essentially same as climate change now
yeah essentially the same as "climate change" now

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>>135663572
What the fuck is that graph even trying to say?
>Using more solar and hydroelectric in 1900 than we are now
wut

>>135663572
Peak oil, 2012 end times, global warming, overpopulation etc etc
It's all a big scam to keep us in a perpetual state of fear.

>>135663572
They discovered more fields, and it became cheaper to frack and get deeper in already established fields.

The problem has just been put off a fair bit.

>>135664378
dunno really, but it was graphs like that that were being shoved in all of our faces, nonstop, and we were all told it was "our responsibility" to do something about it and "go green" for like 3 fucking decades straight. we were CONSTANTLY being told the end was right around the corner. and yet, nothing happened.

and then they magically stopped talking about this topic once "climate change" became a popular thing

>>135664528
AKA it was entirely bullshit from the beginning the same as "climate change" is now, k thanks

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>>135663572
Big if true

>>135663572
We've hit 'peak oil' to such a degree that oil has never been cheaper than it is now.

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>>135664677
Are you an idiot or something?

Peak oil is 99% relevant still. Read the Peak Oil scaremongering. That shit is what we'd have to do to achieve zero percent carbon emission growth. Not to stop global warming in the least.

So to get the global warming fags' dream come true, we'd have to go far beyond inflicting an end of the world scenario on ourselves.

a new doomsday tool for every generation

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Every generation, it's a new concern troll. Climate change, global warming, peak oil, acid rain, global cooling, etc etc etc.

>>135663572
You must have missed the identical peak oil hysteria in what, 1917? When there was only 5 years of oil left then?

Just remember that nobody knows anything, and you'll be fine.

>>135665133
oh yeah "acid rain" hahaha i forgot that one. there was one summer when i was a kid where i was legit terrified to be outside in the rain because of some discovery channel bullshit i had seen

As a theoretical concept it is true (one day we are bound to run out of oil), although many people predicted it to take place much earlier than it will happen. I'm sure it was largely because of shilling and fear mongering, but it's hard to blame many people, because there were just too many unknown factors to be counted in.

>>135663572
It was always contentious and it was never settled science the way climate change is. But you seem like you've decided on your opinion and you're looking to confirm it

They have a "Climate Change" sceanario all the time, i remember when i was in school it was the hole in the ozone layer people were afraid of. (((They))) make these scenarios up to distract people.

I've read that there is enough natural gas off the coast of Greece to make it the new Saudi Arabia. Scarcity is manufactured. And 'Global Warming' is just a manufactured global crisis used to implement global solutions - jew world order communism.

>"A New World Order is required to deal with the Climate Change crisis."
-Mikhail Gorbachev

>"The emerging 'environmentalization' of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government."
-Mikhail Gorbachev

>Why is capitalism incompatible with sustainability
http://www.cpusa.org/faq/why-is-capitalism-incompatible-with-sustainability/

>Communist Agenda Behind Climate Change Movement
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2014/09/24/communist-agenda-behind-climate-change/

>UN Climate Chief Says Communism is Best Way to Fight Global Warming
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2014/01/19/un-climate-chief-says-communism-is-best-way-to-fight-global-warming-n1779973

>Climate Alarmists Push Chinese Communism, Population Control
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17650-climate-alarmists-push-chinese-communism-population-control

>'People’s Climate March’ Backed By Communist, Socialist Parties
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/11/peoples-climate-march-backed-by-communist-socialist-parties/

>>135664677
I think peak oil just got rolled into the climate change stuff

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>>135663572
we're already passed the peak and are sailing on the plateau after it

>>135665368
ozone layer whole too, yeah, i remember that one. between this and the guy who mentioned "acid rain" this thread is bringing back many 90's doomsday memories.

is Y2K gonna happen?

>>135665368
>(((They))) make these scenarios up to distract people.
It's more than simply a distraction. They create problems so they can present "solutions". These "scenarios" are used to drive their agenda.

>>135665456
wow anon is real redpilled on this issue, and getting to the heart of what all of this crap is honestly about in the end

>>135665368
Ah yes, the hole in the ozone layer. Add that one to the list here: >>135665133

The thing with climate change or related shit is that it's all completely unfalsifiable, and whenever one eco-apocalypse revelation is around long enough without coming true, they slowly phase it out and switch to something else.

It's the same tactic they'll use for things like the "muh russia" conspiracy regarding DJT's election.

>>135664884
case in point

>>135665763
"lets break the peoples legs so we can sell them crutches"

>>135663938
Mate, there's enough oil under Texas to fuel the world for the next 100 years.

Shale oil is something we couldn't access before, and it's greatly expanded our oil sources. We no longer need traditional wells, we can frack it much more cheaply

There have been revealed to be massive untapped shale reserves all over the world, under Germany, Brazil, Africa....everywhere.

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>>135663973
The theory is sound behind it. Once you hit peak oil resources due to investment in infrastructure related to it and technology, the supply would decrease far more quickly than it could be supplemented. As a result, there would eventually be scarcity since demand outpaced supply, prices would rise, and it would be not only economically feasible but actually preferable to use wind, hydro, and solar power infrastructure for energy. They just didn't take into account how much fucking oil is on this planet.

>>135665992
yes so essentially it was all crap to begin with, and everyone who was claimed to be a "oil company shill" for saying none of this was going to come to crisis was totally right all along because this is essentially the arguments they were using. ok, cool

>>135665628
this

and all the renewables are still increasing total power generation install base AND we're going to be increasingly adopting electric vehicles (they will become cheaper than ICE in every single way)

Solar is already at grid parity in much of the southern US. Even here in Canada my solar installation cost per kw/h is 14 cents, and I'm paying 12 cents kw/h right now. If I just look at it from the point of view of energy security, it already makes sense to invest the small cost in solar and we don't even get tons of sunlight here.

We no longer NEED oil.

>>135665456
Good links. The whole "green" movement is basically just another arm of the overall marxist ZOG conspiracy. Any way they can think of as to why whitey needs to limit himself and punish himself, they'll come up with. You know none of this eco-shit is legit because they never take the obvious route if it were legit.

For example, they'll go on and on about how people are ruining the environment, but then they'll tell us that we need ever-expanding populations to keep the economy floating. They'll tell us not to have kids, while also subsidizing 3rd world birthrates and importing them here. If we were serious about global warming (>implying it's an actual threat) the best solution would be to shut off 3rd world gibs, embargo africa, and let them tear their continent apart until there are just subsistence-level african hunter-gathers left at a low population.

>>135665644
The ozone layer's a case of taking action and getting results though

industrial CFC's were destroying the ozone layer. We stopped dumping CFC's into the atmosphere, the ozone layer healed up.

That's a really bad case to use as an example for what you're trying to say.

>>135666193
Even if we didn't have shale, we've found massive traditional wells all over the place as well with our new scouting technology

Using just what we know about now, we'd have enough oil for 500 years or more.
Of course, this assumes Africa doesn't industrialize.

Likely renewables will eliminate the need for oil entirely within 50 years

>>135663572
So there's a difference between "peak oil (production)" as it's commonly known and what I guess you'd call "oil depletion." Peak oil refers technically to peak oil production, the point at which we are getting the absolute maximum out of the ground that we can. The thinking was, though, that once we hit this point production would decline afterwards. That's not been borne out thus far, I think in large part due to the success of fracking. You've got to look at the context of when this theory came about to see why people placed such great emphasis on it. It was developed in the mid 1950s, and then not even 20 years later we had the OPEC oil embargo. Suddenly that theory seems less silly to people, despite there being a big difference between a man-made embargo and extracting all the worlds oil from the ground. But anyways that guy's theories got a lot more credence after that, and they were probably the prevailing wisdom when your teachers and professors were being educated.

Basically though the predictions were premature. We will cross this rubicon eventually, but probably not anytime in the next few years. Also, given that we see stuff like Tesla and alternative energy stuff becoming more popular, it's increasingly likely that any effects of oil depletion will be less severe because we'll be ready for the changes.

All you encountered was outmoded thinking, I wouldn't try to apply some sort of conspiratorial bent to it. The government didn't come up with this theory, it was a bunch of oil company scientists.

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Where is the peak oil guise?

>>135666499
>africa
>industrialize

>>135666347
it hardly matters when every 10 years there's a new set of "environmental crises" that are going to end everything, and anyone who speaks out about them being fake is a "oil company shill" and a "massive piece of human shit" and then they all turn out to be absolutely nothing

>>135663572
I can tell that you didn't finish college

>>135666534
I still liked his documentary because I love doomsday stuff. I eat that shit up.

>>135666569
Well anyway, if the third world is pushed up to a first world living standard, the rate at which oil is consumed will quadruple

>>135666526
everything here is a conspiracy

posters itt should pay attention to this post however, because it's the reality of the situation

It's kind of like the Malthusian crisis, just because it didn't happen yet doesn't mean it never will. It's sound in principle. The earth DOES have a carrying capacity.

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>>135666688
But Bill Nye told me that we need to punish white people for having kids while subsidizing nigerian women's 8 kids.

>>135666219
You mean until we hit peak lithium or some rare earth metal?

>>135666526
people in this thread trying to defend peak oil and explain why all of this happening are missing the point of the rhetoric, the false predictions, the fear mongering, the attacks on those with dissenting opinions, and how it was all harnessed for political gain and to shame whitey for this "evil capitalistic system" that was supposedly destroying the environment and ruining all of our lives.

in reality there was never any threat. there was tons and tons and tons of oil and though it's always known that its a finite resource, there was such a huge timeframe to develop other energy sources, and that was obvious enough to these assholes promising it would be "an end to everything", that it was literally never even a thing that should have been put on anyones radar

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>>135663572

I like how by the year 2100, somehow we still don't manage to produce as much energy as 2000. Clearly the idiot who made this picture put lots of thought into it.

And apparently solar, wind, and hydro electricity all declined until the year 2000... from 1900... before solar was invented. For some reason hydro gets 2 colours. Whoever made this should kill themselves unless they're younger than 12, honestly. This graph makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Nothing matches up with actual values.

>>135666116
It's actually fracking related technology that's pushed the peak back.

>>135666848
We've already figured out ways to synthesize oil from other processes. It's a bit more expensive, but we can do it

>>135666688
IF

But it's not going to happen. Not because the 3rd world won't industrialize, but because when and while they do, they will have access to cheaper clean energy.

We are moving away from oil dependence. We no longer need it. It's just that this isn't apparent to everyone yet.

>>135663572
The Stone age didn't end for lack of Stone.

>>135666219
You are a deluded moron

>>135666848
It'll happen the same way it's happening with oil now:

1. We'll hit peak production
2. Output will decline slowly, not instantly
3. As prices rise, alternatives become more attractive
4. In the end, whatever alternatives are renewable/cost effective will be what we use

As far as rare earth's go - they're not particularly rare, and most of north america's barely even been looked at for rare earth exploitation. We'll probably see production expand in north america as factories are brought back over to the mainland from offshore.

>>135667094
not an argument

:^)

>>135667011
But that's the whole point; the sort of fear-mongering like peak oil doesn't take into account entry-level economics or anything else. If one source naturally becomes less viable, alternatives become more viable anyway. It's not a big deal.

>>135666997
How has your life been negatively impacted by fear mongering related to peak oil? I am genuinely curious. I come from a family of scientists and engineers so I am privileged enough to get a lot of straight talk on these sorts of issues.

Are you being oppressed in any way? Or are you just looking for something else to be angry about?

>>135666193
they do this all the time. I guess it sells.

>>135667615
> it's okay to manipulate people if it's for what I think is the greater good

Yes, my life has been harmed by all these fucking liberal retards that 'peak oil' helped create.

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>>135666615
It's should be obvious to most here who is behind these crises by the terminology they use alone. Anyone who doubts "global warming" is a climate change "denier". Denier/denial - who's favorite word is that, I wonder?

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>>135667011
Yeah, I was referring to oil extraction technology on the whole, but you're absolutely right.

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>>135667615
are you fucking serious dude? aside from the fact that it was all BS it stoked paranoia and fear in myself and every supposedly "educated" person from my generation?!?!?! it was used by liberals as an effective means of shaming generations before, thus creating conflict between young people and their parents (same way global warming does now). there were perpetual taxes and regulations and legislations that were justified by these supposed "catastrophic" happenings that were always just on the horizon. and aside from that, it's bad enough just having to live in a world where "the powers that be" use these fake narratives as a means to push their globalist kike agenda

"how has your life been negatively effected by fear mongering" stfu loser, go throw yourself in a woodchipper serious. faggot

>literally trying to defend the fact that the system pushes these lies by claiming that "they didn't negatively effect you"

you need to be physically removed, and when humans wake up they will do just that to you

>>135666810
All the Malthusian scare did was forcing indirect population control like faggotry, abortion and the pill while letting niggers breed like rats.

I used to believe this back in 2012.
Is a scam.

>oil can be produced in labs (is not cheap)
>there's plenty of resources in sand oil in canada to last centuries (is not cheap)
>solar is taking off in the third world
>solar industry is now making solar panels that can be used in normal windows and as normal glass or solar panels that imitate other materials so they can be aesthetic
>solar can produce 100x times more energy than what current world consumes
>space mining

Is a kike trick to gain control.

>>135663572
As a petroleum engineer, I can tell you that due to fracking and other enhanced oil recovery methods, we are nowhere near peak oil.

With conventional drilling, you are lucky to get 30% recovery. But with enhanced methods such as fraccing or various injections, we are getting recoveries of close to 100%. Companies are reworking old reservoirs to get that extra 70%.

Also there is a huge revolution taking place in the oil industry right now. I'm not talking about fraccing. Things are changing from analytical to numerical solutions. Previously everything was a guessing game. Now we are using complex Finite Element Analysis software to find numerical approximations for problems that we could only guess at before.

>>135669067
yeah population control that's always part of it. all any of these environmental crises ever are is an atempt to play up the "humans are bad and are wrecking all of the natural earth, therefore they need to be eradicated, or at the very least accept worse living conditions (aka more taxes like "carbon tax") while we (your mighty and magnanimous rulers) take your money in order to fix this mess you created"

all more bullshit to keep the people in line, make them feel like they need government, make them feel like they're getting screwed for a noble cause rather than just to line their rulers pockets

>>135666534
Was Ruppert a CIA plant or what?

His book Crossing the Rubicon got me into 9/11 truth, but he focuses on Peak Oil as the motive, almost like it was inevitable.

>>135667930
>>135668505
So basically you guys are just annoyed by this. I thought you were going to tell me you'd lost your jobs or something.

I look forward to your next threads detailing the various evils of other "scares." Maybe we can do Big Food and Saturated Fat next.

>>135666998
sour cream and gelatin aren't vegan but gingerale and corona are

everyone cheats on their diet unless you have a moral obligation not to

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>>135669576
>defending world governments spreading what are now known to have been patently false lies, and defending them for literally no apparent reason other than "i love my governments"

>>135669067
Exactly. And it gave them the excuse they needed to tax us for taking hot showers, while they float around on private yachts bigger than a football field.

>>135663572
>have a problem
>intelligent people create a solution, solve problem
>flyover rednecks deny the problem ever existed and manage to use the situation to put down political opposition (muh fearmongering libruls!)
Happened with ozone depletion (pretty much fixed with Montreal Protocol, CFC ban), acid rain (largely fixed with 1990 amendment to CAA that significantly cut nitrogen oxide emissions) and peak oil (partially fixed with discovery of new sources and enhanced extraction methods, kicked can down road), now it's happening with climate change

>>135669481
>His book Crossing the Rubicon got me into 9/11 truth, but he focuses on Peak Oil as the motive
considering we didn't even take the oil in iraq, it pretty much blows his narrative out of the water.

at the time that book was written, "peak oil" was the most popular boogeyman around. way more popular than "climate change" was back then. just more kikery and bullshittery and "anti-US propaganda".

probably thought he was getting a two for one. gets to shill against the US for 9/11 and gets to push the kike "peak oil" lie.

>>135663572
>peak oil
we're at peak oil right now, dingus.

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>>135665133
All of these scams always have the same goal in mind. De-industrialization.

>>135670541
And once (((they))) get what they want, they'll claim that they fixed the climate since the earth is actually cooling.

In times past, they also used solar eclipses to extract money from the plebs. They'd tell them that God was angry with them and was taking away the sun unless they made tribute. Once they received payment, the sun would magically reappear. The Gods are pleased again. Disaster averted.

>>135670719
So is Greater Israel the true motivation for the Middle East wars?

>>135670719
>be an old fag
>when I was 10 it was acid rain
>when I was 15 it was the ozone
>when I was 20 it was rainforest destruction
>when I was 25 it was global warming
>when I was 30 it was peak oil
>now it's climate change

The memes never end

>>135671377
That and to bring us all down and mix us all up so they can rule the mocha masses of slaves from Jerusalem.

>>135671377
IMO? take the banking redpill. every nation we've invaded (iraq, afganistan, libya) and every nation we currently have major issues with (iran, NK, cuba) are basically the only countries left without rothschild owned central banks.

when we went into iraq, afganistan and when we took out ghaddafi in libya, we installed those central banks. only iran, NK and cuba don't have them now.

i do believe that NK and iran are a genuine threat to us, but i think it's clear what the real motivations behind those other wars are (esp iraq, which we had NO business whatsoever being in)

:(

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>People still get baited by peak oil while peak phosphorus is gonna happen much sooner and will be much more catastrophic

>>135671377
Of course. Notice how the border of the "Kurdistan" they want so badly just so happens to line up with the northwestern border of greater israel.

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Peak oil never happened because the industry discovered new methods of drilling (fracking) and are now able to reach deposits that were previously unreachable. It's really that simple. Of course these new methods require a ton of investment capital and expertise to employ. The US is the only nation that can employ those resources in any meaningful way. The rest of the world may face shortages of petroleum, but not the US.

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>>135671460
Shit, I forgot about the rainforest destruction and things like Ferngully. That rainforest shit was all the hype back in the early 90s.

when you see NO ONE talking about that stuff afterwards, you either have to think that they all just decided to stop caring and its still actually going on, or it was never a thing that was happening in the first place.

>>135671460
>>when I was 10 it was acid rain
>>when I was 15 it was the ozone
>>when I was 20 it was rainforest destruction
>memes
See >>135670541
Also are you seriously implying rainforest deforestation is no problem

>>135672149
Not really, If Europe doesn't get the caucasian oil, it will be dependent on Russia, which at some point needs to pay for the technology, or better, we need pay for it. It will be war, like 1939, same reasons, same opponents, I hope you guys stay out this time

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>>135663572
idiot

>>135672780
something tells me you're REALLY missing the point of the post bro

>>135671377
You have to ask?

Make sure you've read, "A Clean Break, defending the realm"

>>135672679
Indeed. That's a big deal. European energy needs are hugely disproportionately dependent on Russia. The USSR worked to make that a reality back in the day. The politics are about to make the economics difficult.

>>135672339
oh yeah, fucking ferngully, that kids movie where ordinary, blue-collar construction workers and totally regular dudes were literally the antagonists of the film

>>135663572
Technology advanced and we can now refine oil that back then couldn't be used.

>>135667405

Based free market.

>>135672477
>Also are you seriously implying rainforest deforestation is no problem
I wouldn't like to see another acre of rain forest destroyed, but deforestation due to farming as an issue is being overblown as justification to push us away from eating beef and towards a vegan diet full of phytoestrogens in a bid to cure "toxic masculinity".

>>135672062
>i do believe that NK and iran are a genuine threat to us

They're not. First of all, they're both rational actors. Indeed, Pakistan hates us way more than Iran and we don't say shit about their nukes. Fatboy in NK merely wants his cognac(?) and comfy living--much proof that he is not ideological in the least. Iranians have good reason to pursue nuke tech both for energy generation (inb4 they have plenty of energy on-tap--they don't), and for denying us a free hand like we had in Iraq.

The US taught the "axis of evil" one thing--if you have nukes, we won't bother you. I think it's a stupid equation if one really wants war with a small-nuke holder--nukes aren't world-enders any more than a pistol has "stopping power."

>>135663572

What happened is productivity. Fracking and other improvements made more oil financially recoverable, more reserves were found to exploit, and so on. There's a fuckton of oil in American formations they had no idea was recoverable decades ago, but is easy to get at now.

"Peak oil" will happen eventually as oil supplies are finite, but we've definitely shoved the date much further ahead than estimated.

>>135673879
yeah this is actually just anti-us propaganda though. north korea is def a legitimate threat to us, esp if they have warheads now that they're firing off with the US in range.

this legit gets the "dumbest post ever" award on my part, but then again, i know you probably don't even believe what you're saying, just pushing an agenda

>>135673258
well if your greatest ally wouldn't have lighten the fuse of the powder barrels, we could import from somewhere else, but now we are importing something more explosive from the region. But hey, that's realism. At least stay out of Europe when Germany goes nuts again, or Europe may side with Russia

>>135670541
you 'intelligent' people didn't solve shit. Go preach your bs to the Chinese and Indians and see how far you get.

>>135666219

We're getting closer, but we're nowhere near the point of not needing oil.

If only because the distribution for electric power at the vehicle level is nowhere near what it needs to be. Tesla's system is still peanuts compared to finding a gas station.

Now, when gas stations are putting superchargers in as often as pumps, we're looking at the beginning of fully viable electric. The Model 3 is the Model T of this generation- it's simple, barebones (for it's kind) and can get you around decently. If it takes off, we can mark it as the point where ICE began to slip from it's dominant position.

Invest in Nuclear

/thread

>>135663572

>>oy vey goy the oil is scarce we have to raise the price and manipulate it otherwise global warming and shit

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>>135674136
>anti-us propaganda

strategic forecasting is only worth its ability to not be "anti" or "pro" anything--tho overcoming bias is often the cornerstone of looking properly at such multi-faceted situations. I do my best if/when I decide that I have something worth posting.

TB.F, my main sources are STRATFOR, and a few lesser-known entities. In a past life, I had my nose right up in there.

And son, you can call my post a lot of things, but I don't think "dumb" is a serviceable insult simply because--even if deeply flawed--it explains the moves of all parties involved since ~the turn of the millenia. Furthermore, even I've made dumber posts either on /pol/ or on one of our spiritual forefathers.

>>135666569

>The Chinese aren't going to just marginalize the natives and colonize, then industrialize

Africa is to China as the Americas were to Europe. Prime real estate.

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>>135675065
are you actually expecting to fool anyone with this shit?

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>>135665368
>>135665815
Holy shit pol really is braindead

Do you know nothing about the Ozone layer?

The ozone hole was caused by human emissions of Chlorofluorocarbons commonly used in refrigerants, aerosols etc that degrade ozone in the stratosphere.

This is one of the most basic, well explained chemical interactions known today. Here are some journal articles

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es950775l
http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2875035.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Luckily Scientists, far smarter than you, realised the problem, and took action and the result was the signing of the Montreal protocol in 1987.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

Because of this the Ozone hole has started to heal. It won't be instant, because CFC's stay in the atmosphere for many decades. But without this action, then we'd have almost no protection from UV light by the end of century.

This ignorance is fucking astounding. Idiots like you people who can't be bothered to research these things anywhere other than right wing blogs are always on the wrong side of history, and you will be again with climate change. But guess what? This time, you are taking everyone down with you.

When Miami has to be abandoned because rising seas have polluted every water source for 100 miles what will you say? Will you get mad at Al Gore? How about when the Dust Bowl comes back, but this time for good? Will you apologise for your fucking ignorance then?

>>135675065
>>135674136

Cletus = BTFO

>>135664378
windmills and water wheels maybe?
still looks like bullshit

>>135675828
nobody is BTFO they're literally a foreign power with nukes who claim they are going to use them. the poster above has no defense of his position.

anyone can write a wall of empty text and say things like "STRATFOR!" and "i swear i get it from good sources!"

this is called shilling and spreading propaganda / disinfo

>>135663572
hydraulic fracturing revoked the previous paradygm of the "peak oil crisis", escpecially for yanks, who use it so much.

>>135675065
Wouldn't it make more sense to carry around a 2 of clubs, because then it would actually have 4 clubs on the card itself

Acid rain and the hole in the ozone layer. Only way to fix the ozone hole was to by pump hairspray and dispose of your fridge carefully. We did it, our generation saved the planet.

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>>135675746
>are you actually expecting to fool anyone with this shit?

What am I supposed to be covering up? Why so hostile?

>>135663572
The powerful monied interests won.

>>135663572
H Y D R O L I C F R A C T U R I N G

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>>135676118
Yes, the 4 of clubs--this pic is too subtle. Here is my make-up pic--hope it makes up for my faux-pas:

you can't forget the 70's and the crying injun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_QGBWaD-A4

while i agree, i do hate seeing people throwing trash out of their cars or litter in general

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>>135674628
Speaking of Tesla, I suspect he was onto a way of providing cheap to free energy to the masses using earth's electro-magnetic energy and that reliance on fossil fuels has been just another scam to enslave the masses.

Trump's uncle, John G. Trump, was involved with the seizing of Tesla's papers after his death by the Office of Alien Property. After analyzing the papers, he concluded:

>Tesla’s “thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character,” but “did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.”

Nothing to see here goy, please move along.

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>>135676513
Fun fact--(maybe the kids have spread this far and wide already but)--Iron Eyes Cody was a wop named Espera Oscar de Corti, later taking the name "Tony."

>>135675811
We know what we were told. But /pol/ has trust issues when it comes to (((them))). Now, tell me how the Holocaust really happened.

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>>135663572
It's delayed by shale oil. Don't worry. The faster it's extracted, the faster the next peak of US production will be reached. Note US (non-shale) peaked around 1970.

>>135672087
Woah. Explain? Will this wreck our agriculture?

>>135676093
>nobody is BTFO
says the trailer trash who got BTFO

>with nukes who claim they are going to use them. the poster above has no defense of his position.

Have they used them? Has Iran threatened to use them beyond defensively? Are you too young to know that every few yrs rhe norks talk shit for dufferent reasons?


anyone can write a wall of empty text and say things like "STRATFOR!" and "i swear i get it from good sources!"

this is called

>>135664528

Its not so much that new oil fields were discovered but new technology, powerful cheap computing, allowed for more effective drilling and recovery techniques.

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>>135676941
So you are admitting you don't believe basic chemistry, physics etc due to delusional conspiracy theories?

Fuck off to /x/ then you stupid twat. This is not some bullshit about refugees being engineers. It is simple science, observable evidence supports it.

But you don't even understand the Ozone hole.

Tell me who benefitted from banning CFC emissions if it wasn't done for the sake of the Ozone layer? I didn't see any of (((them))) investing in fucking HFC companies.

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>>135676858
i can't imagine people pretending to be something they are not

>>135674569
Actually I just described how several environmental problems were solved but apparently your reading comprehension isn't too great

>>135669422
So in other words, we've solved the problem by making sure we run out of ALL of the oil instead of MOST of the oil

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>>135676093
>"STRATFOR!" and "i swear i get it from good sources!"

TB.F, the guccifer 2.0 leaks last year showed STRATFOR, in particular, neck-deep involved with DC decision-makers, soooo

>>135677441
>says the trailer trash who got BTFO
k bro you BTFO'd me with a wall of empty text swearing that "no no north korea is not a threat" and without providing any reasonable or tangible evidence of your claim. yes you BTFO'd my dumb trailer part ass

>Have they used them? (referring to nukes)

this is stellar level discourse. have you even been paying attention to the fucking news over the past couple of weeks? (they literally fired a missile into japanese waters the other day) or do you just tune into CNN so you can hear them talk about "muh russia and muh drumpf"?

calling me "kid" and "trailer trash" only betrays the fact that you're an anti-american pushing an agenda.

and the fact that NK has been openly saying for years that they're going to nuke us doesn't do much to help your position (in fact it basically proves mine)

so good try, thanks for playing

>>135677620
The Eternal Anglo strikes again. Environmentalism drives global cooperation which drives the need for (((global government))). So, how many Jews do you think were gassed in da chambahs?

>>135678098
i mean they're a nuclear power that is openly saying they're going to nuke us, and just the other day they dropped a missile in japanese waters. no matter how many mental gymnastics you do, or how many names you call me, you aren't going to win this one

>>135663572

Peak oil is bullshit, it's climate change you need to worry about.

>>135663572
Fracking happened.

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>>135677829
The closest to black Shaun King will ever be is his memes living in my "niggers" directory. And yeah, leftists have been lying about the races and trying to falsely blame whites (so much trash lying around while driving through reservations).

>>135678481
*for a long time

>>135675811
>>135677620
good evening my uppity little bong. you have twice now claimed "muh science" has proven that the "hole in the ozone layer" was caused primarily by mans use of chlorofluorocarbons. well, my good man, i'm most certainly going to have to call you out in public on your fuckery. so, with that being said.... CAN YOU PROVIDE A SINGLE SOLITARY SLICE OF DELICIOUS EVIDENCE TO BACK YOUR CLAIM UP? THE "HOLE" IN THE OZONE LAYER WAS MAN MADE. JUST ONE. JUST ONE PAPER THAT PROVES BEYOND DOUBT THAT HOLE WAS CAUSED BY CFC USAGE. I'LL FUCKING WAIT RIGHT HERE, CUNT.

>>135663572
>whatever happened to peak oil?
same thing that happen to ACID RAIN
its was all a fucking scam

>>135678433
nice id

>>135678394
You don't find it a little odd that the only nation to ever drop nukes on Japan is the one most worried about it happening again?

>>135678433

Whatever, nerd NSA.

>>135675811
These people are schizophrenic conspiracy theorists. For them it somehow makes sense to claim that (insert theory backed by decades of data and study) is fake and the Jews are behind everything

acid rain - scam
peak oil - scam
man-made global warming - current scam

it's all a fucking scam making politicians and their friends rich

>>135664709
Why do you keep posting this.
I must know.

>>135678839
oh hahahahahahhahha this is really priceless. now you're trying to dig into the "white guilt" thing over japan and the nuke we dropped on them DURING WAR TIME?

hahaha keep trying. whenever people drudge up history and try to twist it around to guilt the other party you know they lost the argument.

seriously, keep trying. and keep trying to convince people that "nazi" flag you're flying is real too, rather than just cover so you can come here and shill and try to be accepted as a real /pol/ack

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>>135678102
>k bro you BTFO'd me with a wall of empty text

That's not me, you miserable piece of newfag garbage. You're supposed to lurk for at least two years. Luark moar.

>>Have they used them? (referring to nukes)
>
>this is stellar level discourse. have you even been paying attention to the fucking news over the past couple of weeks?

The answer is a simple, "No, they haven't used them."

>>135665133
>>135665815
>>135665368
>i remember when i was in school it was the hole in the ozone layer people were afraid of.
This. My teacher talked about this at least once a week. They had all kinds of materials with that ugly UN/Sweden-style childish art. We were all going to fry to death within 10 years.

>>135678617
http://www.ijesd.org/papers/93-D500.pdf
Happy reading, relevant info starts on page 4 if you prefer getting right into it

>>135679214
yeah i mean again they're a nuclear power, with nukes, and they openly say they're going to use them. so they're a threat to us and they should be (and will be) dealt with, and it will be a very righteous war on the part of the US

you can continue trying to strawman or distort whatever i've said. you say "hur dur BTFO" or "trailer trash" or whatever else. i'm just going to continue to repeat this because it's basically all there is to the discussion

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>>135678394
>and just the other day they dropped a missile in japanese waters

Incorrect, trash-boy, it landed in int'l waters.

>>135679154
>oh hahahahahahhahha

>hahaha keep trying

>seriously, keep trying

JFC, how do you troll yourSELF?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2kxlZDOHeQ

>>135679785
>Incorrect, trash-boy, it landed in int'l waters.
no
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/29/north-korea-fires-missile-into-japanese-waters

i am right on this. you are wrong on this. nobody is ever going to take you seriously with the position you are pushing. end of story. nobody.

>>135664378
If I had to wager a guess, something to the effect of "we used to grow crops with traditional farming techniques (sun + water) and now we use petroleum based methods (industrial farming)", but yeah it's a pretty bad graph.

>>135679949

https://archive.is/bSYeF

>>135679718
>and they should be (and will be) dealt with, and it will be a very righteous war on the part of the US

This sounds very similar to the moralizing morons who helped us get jewed into Iraq.

>you say "hur dur BTFO" or "trailer trash" or whatever else

Again, that's a different anon, you massive faggot.

>>135678988
>Da juice dindu nuffin'
Fuck outta here with your bullshit kike

>>135679154
So, you believe them when they say that NK and Iran are part of an "axis-of-evil"? Two countries that haven't attacked anyone. Do you speak Korean? Did you hear Dear Leader make some threats yourself or are you trusting (((them))). I have no "white guilt".

Also, I'm not looking for acceptance. They call me Nazi all the time so I thought I'd make it easy for them and just don the flag. My state flag had the Confederate battle flag on it until a few years ago. What are you hiding behind your meme flag? Also, this is the only thing I've really disagreed with you about in this thread thus far so like the other poster asked, "why the hostility"?

>>135665133
lol holy shit I remember the "acid rain" scourge

there was an awful lot of environmental scaremongering that never came to pass

your quote, right here
>>135677441
>says the trailer trash who got BTFO

>trying to compare a nation who has nukes and openly states they are going to use them to annihilate us with the war in iraq

pls stop. you are a humiliation to yourself. NK is not defensible. you are patently willfully attempting to spread anti-us propaganda and disinfo. end of story

>>135680181
(tagging comment, sorry for double post)

your quote, right here
>>135677441
>says the trailer trash who got BTFO

>trying to compare a nation who has nukes and openly states they are going to use them to annihilate us with the war in iraq

pls stop. you are a humiliation to yourself. NK is not defensible. you are patently willfully attempting to spread anti-us propaganda and disinfo. end of story

>>135663973
>>135663572
Only idiots don't believe in peak oil or climate change.

>>135679454
Read that during my thesis, so no it does not show anything other than the hole is a cyclical effect that CFCs MAY help increase the expansion (commentary is ONLY provided on CFCs to justify their research finding, this is what is called a verifiable fact.). However, the "hole" (that just so happens to appear EVERY SINGLE SEPTEMBER since ever) was one of the largest on record. Because ever since this save the planet shit started as soon as empirical evidence come in showing that actually our effect on x is extremely small they move on to secure more via a new bogey man. So again, can you or that bong provide proof that shows CFC = ozone hole.

>>135680268
>So, you believe them when they say that NK and Iran are part of an "axis-of-evil" blah blah blah blah nonsense nonsense nonsense nonsense mental gymnastics

yes they have nuclear weapons or ambitions to develop nuclear weapons and have both openly stated their intentions to use them. yes. yes and double yes. the US will invade these nations and they will be right to do so

>>135679949
>i am right on this

No you're not. Japan claims it as an exclusive economic zone. There's a difference between that and Japanese territorial waters. NK is not signatory to the enhanced LOTS treaty recognizing EEZs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

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>>135663572
>(("The Man"))

>>135680963
no you're incorrect, it was launched into japanese waters
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40489750

>>135680693
This nigger so new he doesn't into ids

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>>135680693
JFC.

Dude...check the ID on both posts you just referenced.

>>135680893
>yes they have nuclear weapons
>both openly stated their intentions to use them
Have you heard of Israel? What about the Samson Option?

>>135681274
I only responded to him once, but it was like we were old friends.

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>>135663572

You know it's a legit graph when it has no label on the x axis at all, it contains a nice nonsensical "swoop" design implying we used to have solar, wind and hydro power at 25% of current use around the year 1900, and as a final fuck you the graph indicates we'll lose oil and only have about half the current energy use after that in renewables.

Please kill the graphic designer.

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>>135681251
From your link:

>The missile may have landed in waters claimed by Japan as its exclusive economic zone, according to Japanese officials.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-missile-launch-fire-japan-sea-nhk-icbm-pyongyang-a7865516.html
>North Korea launches 'ICBM' which may have landed within 200 miles of Japan coast
>may have landed within 200 miles of Japan coast
>may have
>may
>200 miles

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+far+do+territorial+waters+extend

>>135663572
That picture is retarded.
1. Peak oil has been told for more than 30 years now.
2. Solar will never brake through with photovoltaic cells.
3. Wind is a meme, a scheme to rob money. No real growth will come from here.
4. Almost all practical hydro has been planted already about 50y ago - there is no way for hydro to grow.

>>135666669
Same, i watched that one about 10 times/told friends to watch it/thought i understood how the world works, did it with kurzweil sungularity stuff too when feeling more optimistic, all because of netflix ultimately

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>>135681689
I would draw him a picture, but at this point we're just picking on the retarded kid

Sort yourself out memeflag confagerette

>>135682086
>Wind is a meme

Maybe, but it's an excellent way to piss off rich liberals who rally against them when it's going to occlude their view

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/20/cape.cod.wind.farm/index.html

>>135665133
>acid rain
>>135665302
>oh yeah "acid rain" hahaha i forgot that one.
>>135680418
>lol holy shit I remember the "acid rain" scourge
No acid rain was a real problem. We however solved that with a 99% reduction in emissions of SO2.

Look around you if you are indoors. The drywall/sheet rock/gyprock whatever it's called in your area is almost surely make with sulfur scrubbed from stack emissions, or combined with sulfur extracted from oil/gas.

>>135682567
I think he gathered what was left of his dignity and skedaddled

>>135665133
Etc etc...
> Muh immigration

>>135663572
Global peak oil is a theory, and one which will keep getting pushed back by new technology. National peak oil, on the other hand, is a fact, and you can watch what happens to countries as they run it by looking back through history.

Go ahead and look at the Middle East. Lots of counties there had dictators who could stay in power by a) using oil money to bribe their population using subsidies, and b) using oil money to pay for a military to keep the population quiet when a) doesn't work. And as their oil ran out, the old dictatorships have begun to collapse, with nothing positive to fill the void.

What will happen when the Saudis hit the peak? The Arabian Peninsula will burn.

i've got an idea!
let's give 1/2 billion $ to a minority owned solar company with no accountability and no results.

oh, wait, that has already been done

>>135683153
Nice story. I don't remember trees and plants dying from this "acid rain".

>>135684102
>Nice story. I don't remember trees and plants dying from this "acid rain".
It happened. It was most apparent close to sources but their are pictures if you wanted to look for them.

Read state of fear by Michael criton.

>>135663572
Holy shit you're fucking dumb. Peak oil didn't mean "No more oil", it meant "All the easy-to-get oil is gone" so we'd have to start deep offshore drilling, shale oil processing, and so on.

Which is exactly what happened.

>>135663572
Today's science changes the faces of yesterdays. BTW the Russians always believed oil is abiotic. It is created in the core and not from dinosaur bones.

>>135683427
You seems a bit young. Back then most dictators needed approval from the USA. Did you know that USA financed and support all evil dictators in the middle east?

>>135663572
Give it 20 years or so, it'll be back. Fracking just extended the timeline. But.. if electric vehicles become widespread, we may never reach a "crisis" point.

>>135686969
A lot of fossil fuels have been placed off limits by the government and various international treaties. About 85% of the western U.S. is under govt. control or protection. Obama declared millions of acres as a National Monument which contained a clean burning type of coal. Scarcity is manufactured. Kind of like those worthless pieces of glass they call diamonds.

>>135677489
Burger is correct

>>135666998
Fucking keked

>>135663572
Vast majority of countries have peaked.

What is different is that fracking was invented. This allowed easier access to different oil, so supply hasn't collapsed.

Peak oil is a statistical theory. And if you say, that it's fake, you're telling that there is unlimited oil.

>>135663572
I believe the theory comes from the study that certain resources we've harvested from the planet have had a peak curve.