http://www.westernjournalism.com/ca lifornia-allows-secessio

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>>135644384
the final cog in becoming a right wing nation- the dissolution of 55 electoral votes. please gods of all religions, let them succeed in seceding.

PLEASE LEAVE CALIFORNIA THEN DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER WIN AGAIN BAHAHAHAHAH

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>>135644384
If California leaves then America will never be able to vote Democrat ever again.

>California leaves the union
>We bomb the shit out of them
>Kill all the commies and spics
>split California into multiple states

Yes please.

Oh boy, if they do leave, will any other states join them? Will there be a civil war? Can we hate califnonia for the next 50 years becaue they are traitors?

You know, if they do ACTUALLY do it, will there be war, or will we let them burn from communism.

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>>135644384
>it actually comes to a vote
>leftist retards ignore the huge consequences this would have for them, like water dependancy and the implosion of silicon valley
>vote passes
>leftist scum from the entire US moves to their new utopia
>Trump annexes Cali the second they seccede, making it an open-air prison without voting rights
Please do it

Accurate proof 90% of all americans are rednecks

>>135644822
Texas is soon to be blue, so there is no problem in that.

>>135644384
Welp, I'm glad I'm leaving this place and taking my "Calexit Reality" project with me while I go to trade school.

They can't leave, they won't leave, and if they do they will be crippled beyond belief.
When a state relies on other states to survive seceding is a bad idea.

I support this. The US non white population would lose its fastest growing non white segment of the population. About 20% of it.

>>135645351
Stay delusional

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Please try, California.

Trying is the first step towards failure.

>>135645351
>Texas will be a swing state any election now!

Libs have been saying this for decades and it hasn't happened yet, and now that Trump is going apeshit on the illegals it definitely won't happen.

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>>135645464
>that denial

>>135644384
I hope they do

This will give us the excuse to purge every liberal and spic from the state by force

i need to evacuate my family then you guys can start nuking and such.

>>135645707
>this post for the millionth time
Those areas have always been blue.

>>135645707
^^^redder than ever before. 42.6% white. We'll win this time!!! Come on democrats come on

BTW, when will the next HWNDU happen? I'm interested.

>>135644384
I hope everyday you faggots do & then we can invade it and remove all your fucked up pedo politicians & get rid of all those electoral votes that are bought and paid for by people that hate Americans.

>>135645830
Nope. Live there die there. They have made their decision already.

But, Why secede??
It's a strange move in my mind.

>>135645885
No actually the western half of the sun belt and the beltway used to be entirely white besides for the country hasn't changed much. Western and southern Texas yes but they are much more heavily populated now than then. Also almost every big city (100,000+) on the east and west coast???

>>135645893
Its probably due to most hispanics being too young to vote, wait until they do then you're done.

>>135646166
Wasting their time on that shit when the state is tens of billions of dollars under budget and the rest of the country is paying for it.
Man fuck California

ooooh, can I loot some before then!

>>135646280
They are the majority of everyone under 35 fool. 28% are under 18 compared to 22% of whites.

We settled this in the 1860s. States cannot leave the Union. The Constitution allows for states to join but does not have a procedure to leave. The Supreme Court ruled that the Civil War is actually a precedent so any state wanting to leave cannot do so.
There are two ways to actually leave: first would be to amend the Constitution to outline a procedure for leaving or explicitly stating that a specific state has been granted independence. The second way is by declaring war on the United States and actually winning.
A state referendum in no way binds the United States of America to allow a state to leave.

>>135646357
Well non whites. Not Hispanics it appears they won't break 40% and did you know at one point Texas was 1/3rd black?

>>135644384

funny how democrats love to bring up the fact that the CSA were "Traitors" and "Anti American" lol. I hope they do get away, so much less problems for the USA and also becomes a loooot more red ;)

>>135646402
or third if the state/states that leave fight the war and win.

>Californians will not be able to easily buy their properties in Eastern Washington and Idaho
>They won't be able to send pod politicians to steal our water
>They'll have a harder time coming to our universities
>They'll need a passport if they want to come shit up all of our camping grounds

Please. Please let this happen.

>>135644384
I hope they do. Then Trump can label them an enemy and moab the fuck out of them

>>135644384
Burgers please meme this into reality.

California is nothing but dead weight on the US.

>>135644872
What do we need them for anyway? Their droughts and earthquakes? NTY, just let them secede and say good riddance

>>135645220
Why would we annex them when there is nothing of value in that garbage state?

>>135644384

We tried that shit once before. Ask me how that went.

Signed, North Carolina resident.

>>135644384
I wonder how newCalis economy will function without the USD.
Seems like any and all commerce would cease to function without a formal currency.

I say Let em leave

>>135645351
>hispanics voting

Looool good luck with that. Voting is a white thjng

>>135647340
You realize there are countries that use the US dollar, correct? California would still use the US dollar

>>135647526
No the USD is for the USA.

>>135644384
Xavier Becerra should be hung for high treason.

Secession is NOT a legal right granted to any state and there is NO legal avenue for secession. It is a direct contradiction of our founding documents, which explicitly state our union is to remain undivided for all time.

>>135647465
its actually more because you go into a hostile passive aggressive environment when you go to vote in red states.

29 yo male, slightly overweight but able to move. Would I be able to enlist to shoot liberal commies and drag them back to the union?

>>135647671
>Should be hung for high treason

Shit, you could hold up a mirror to these people and murdering someone in broad daylight and they'd still deny it.

>"It takes a strong man to deny what's in front of him."

-John Konrad

>>135647984
Lose the weight and join the Army anon, I'm leaving this place first fucking chance I get after my enlistment got denied.

>>135647984
I mean, you could, but please just leave it at shooting them

>>135644384
they secede and I declare war on them and raid their border towns for plunder. dead serious.

>>135644384
isnt secession specifically forbidden in the constitution?

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>>135645451
I will setup my sniper gun and pick off invaders (californians) trying to enter the USA.

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>>135647640
Are you retarded? Panama uses the US dollar

>>135648359
Lol god damn son.

>>135648359
Please let me leave first anon.

I know I'm a Flip, but I can bring some good steak and some of my /yesfuns/.

Serious question: why is anyone in this thread advocating making them stay? Wouldnt leting them leave be ideal? No longer a drain on our resources, etc

>>135648294
It is. California is never leaving the United States

>>135647118
Almonds and cheap wine

>>135647984
going to raid Bakersfield and kill em all. then just trot back to the USA. mmm maybe should do the same to mexicoshit towns?

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>>135645351

Idiot

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>>135645220
My body is ready.

>>135647010

Sadly they have a high amount of the nation's agriculture within the state

>>135648857
In heavily republican Kern County.

>>135648857
we dont need fucking lettuce.

>>135648610
On one hand:
>California, "seventh largest economy" as it boasts
>Owes money to China
>Can't keep its illegal population under control

On the other:
>Preventing mass starvation Mao style is also good
>Keeping them in line would be great

>>135648857
>>135648911

>>135648940
You need strawberries, limes, apples, and lemons however.

Also eggs.

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>>135644384
There is literally ZERO cons for the US in California seceding. The only thing they have to offer is agriculture and most of the farmers would probably flee the sinking shithole. I know Californians are dumb but I can't believe they're dumb enough to think that seceding would benefit them in anyway. I want it to happen just for the hilarity of it all.

>>135645707
>>infant population
yep, everyone knows that infants decide elections
retard

>>135644384
I want this to happen so fucking bad. I can't wait until we cut off their water supply.

>>135645537
A Jupiter table would be the fucking shit

>>135649000
>strawberries, limes, apples, and lemons however.
>Also eggs.


what are washington apples for 500 alex?
limes are for pussies.
lemons can be grown anywhere.

>>135649136
I mean, just saying.

http://www.netstate.com/economy/ca_economy.htm

It'd be a logistical nightmare(but one easily prepared for) moving crops to FL.

>>135644384

what should I say of if these petition people ask for my support? im in norcal so I've always been more of a state of Jefferson guy, should I sign or threaten to execute traitors to the union?

>>135644384
Do it faggots

>>135645600
you should check out the percentage of red voters in texas from 2000 to 2016. went from 59 percent to 52. yeah, man. keep being delusional. just a few more election cycles and you'll be in total shock.

>>135644384
if they secede we'll just invade and take it back then the government will probably split it into several states

>>135647118
strategic ports

>>135649292
>"AH YES, I TOO SUPPORT MASS STARVATION!"

And just sign a petition with a retardedly fake name.

Here is exactly what happens. If they are allowed to leave and the US government doesn't force them to stay.

>Corporations headquartered in California flee the second California announces succession.
>Eastern part of California splits off from the rest of California to stay in the US as a new state.
>Millionaires flee to other states
>California gets it water supply from other states cut off
>Farmers all flee
>ICE sends a bunch of their captured illegals to California just before California leaves
>US military bases all move up to Oregon and Washington state bringing in more conservative population.
>Democrats never win a presidential election ever again.

>>135649336
Democrats did worse in Texas Johnson siphoned a lot of votes.

>>135644384
FUCK YES
If calfags leave, the US will be forever great, guaranteed! Plus it lets norks nuke cali without starting a war.

>>135649000
Unless those Apples are Jazz they can still fuck off

>>135648940
Some california wines are really good my dude.

>>135644822
If California leaves, we are going in hot. Put every single leftist against the wall and deport every single illegal. Annex them and revoke their statehood, make them a fucking colony. No constitutional rights, no self-government, taxed at 90%.

>>135649035
>infants stay infants forever

...

>>135647640
you fucking idiot, 7 countries have the dollar as their official currency, not to mention 30 other countries use it unofficially along side their own currency

>>135644384
If this ever happens, expect for the US to have two new states after abandoning the libcucks to starvation and thirst.

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>>135644384
>cannot even afford to keep critical infrastructure working
>extremely dependent on US for subsidies
>completely integrated into the US power grid

>lol lets secede!

imagine being this retarded

Can't wait to join the Jefferson liberation movement and shoot some commie Californians

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>>135650046
Oh what a glorious day it'll be to see the modern Sodom and Gomorrah fall, and their populations reduced to dust.

>>135644384
This would actually be wonderful. Let the bulk of all liberals and minorities go to California. Industry that is there will shift out. Containment. Please do it, please.

>>135649458
>US military bases all move up to Oregon and Washington state bringing in more conservative population.
Those would remain US territory. The navy isnt giving up san diego. That would be tactical suicide once china sends "advisors" to help train the new california army that china so graciously loaned them.

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I just moved to San Diego for Law School. Not happy to hear that this succession BS is being given consideration, but not surprised either. Leftists are once again uneducated and delusional.

>>135649024
is correct. Vote won't matter, succession was ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS in 1869, Texas V. White. It would literally require violent revolt. With Miramar and Coronado island nearby, the US military presence makes revolt improbable.

>>135644384
if california leaves then we'll just ban them from entering the other 49 states or just take control of the state through military

>>135644822
>based Oklahoma

>>135644384
Imagine that, Cali becomes own country, raises taxes to ensure everything is free, Companies move to other states when they realize they can't afford it. Working Population realizes they are working for slackers and move along with the companies who move out. California begs for help from US, Trump sez NO WAY! Cali becomes Valenzuela and riots start, all the rich leave cali to flounder to fascism, Trump has no option but to invade and regain control, Cali becomes a right leaning state til the end of time. Possible?

>>135645351
>this is what mexicans actually believe

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Fuck this kike state and its hypocritical bullshit

>>135648911
And heavily Republican Fresno and Merced counties.

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>>135652422
Arizona/Jefferson alliance when?

>>135649336
Just wait til we pass national voter ID laws after the election integrity commission exposes all the voter fraud.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/24/study-8471-cases-double-voting-uncovered-21-states/

>>135652582
I thought the point of spurdos was to make Americans look dumb.

>>135652760
>>>/r/eddit/
never come back

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I fully support the great state of California in fulfilling its dream to become an independent nation.
t.Texan

I'd be happy with a Jefferson state >>135652422 , but this is fine too.

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>These fags for years shat all over Southern Culture and claimed the south is full of racists and the Civil War was about Slavery instead of States Rights
>Trump elected
>"WAAAA MUH STATES RIGHTS"

I want them all lined up against a wall

>>135649035
>infants
>implying boss baby was an animated movie and not a documentary

>>135652422
Is Sonoma county part of the 21 northern counties?
These fucking treasonous rats.

This is California and we get some crazy stuff on ballot initiatives. I'm a Republican and I am definitely voting yes, just to see what happens. Do you think the Americans, the Mexicans, the Chinese, Russians or North Koreans will be the first to invade? In all seriousness, California is like the 8th largest economy in the world, and districts are so rigged that no one district ever changes hands, Democrats have 2/3 majority in State Legislature and Nanci Polosi and Maxine Waters are from here, but they still can't get universal health care. There is literally no political choice in California, it's quite frustrating, so yes, I will be voting to leave the USA, just like I voted for the Donald.

>Becerra
That's a hispanic last name

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>>135644384
We might actually get to quarantine Commifornia? Sign me the fuck up. Can we send all of the deserters back to burn with it?

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>>135654716
Nope, looks like they're just plain demo-rats.

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>>135654716
K E K D

>"brexit is fucking stupid right wingers jeopardized Britain"
>Trump elected
>"W-we want calexit now, w-we'll be fine, how hard can it be, it's somehow different to brexit when we do it"

This is exciting

>>135644822
>that blue line on the border of Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi

Probably a bunch of nigs

>>135644384
I hope the Republicans living in California also vote secede to help us lose 55 blue electoral votes.

I'll go there and vote several dozen times

>>135644384
Not that I should care as an Ausfag but I hope they do secede as California is shit.

For those thinking this would destroy the Democrats chances at the White House, the last and only time California's electoral votes decided an election was in 1876 when California's six electoral votes put Republican Hayes in the White House while Democrat Tilden lost by a single electoral vote. In every other presidential election California's vote was been irrelevant.

California owes the federal government $800 million dollars, and is barely making the principal.
California has a $2 billion dollar budget shortfall this year, due to an accounting mistake.

It's like a ten year old screaming about running away from home. California can't survive without the federal government.

>>135646402
Can't wait for the One America policy that foreign leaders will have to reaffirm after their elections.

>>135658507
>democrats losing 55 electoral votes
>Not relevant
You're right that California hasn't decided an election since then, but one party losing its largest base of support in the country will obviously have a negative impact on them. If you subtract California from the electoral and popular votes of 2016, Trump has the higher popular vote and a SUBSTANTIALLY larger electoral vote.

>>135644701
even better, shitafornia's terrible culture (especially in hollywood) will stop being equated to american culture.

>>135644384
HURRY THE FUCK UP YOU FUICKING SPICS AND LEAVE

>>135644384
If they secede we shouldnt allow anymore spilling over into border states.

California is killing Oregon, Washington, Idaho etc

>>135647118
Good point. California is already practically part of Mexico. Just let it go already and libtards finally realize they're dream of becoming an minority white state in majority shitskin federation. It's what they wanted so let them have it.

I don't want to piss on your parade but doesn't San Diego port most of the USN including supercarriers?

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As a conservative Californian, there's a silver-lining here. If the idiots actually do manage to secede, then the rest of use can work against the CA government with the support of the union.

CA has very vulnerable infrastructure. Cut the arteries and the bear will die.

>>135659674
And the outcome is still the same: Trump is president. However you do have a point that much of their support comes from California. Losing the financial support from California alone would be devastating. Plus the movie industry would lose its power over US media, with new studios popping up in the other 49 states (already happening to a degree) to fill in the void.

So this means we can finally invade California? Sweet.

>>135644384
Let it happen
States should have the right to seceed at any time
And im a yankee

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>>135645707
>assuming people don't change political views as they age

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>>135660303
California wouldn't get federal property that is in the state. Also it is unlikely that they'd even get to keep land that is currently owned by the federal government, though they might be able to purchase it.
We've kept a naval base in Cuban for a long time. If it was in our best interest, we'd keep bases in the People's Republic of California too.

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>>135662633
>States should have the right to seceed at any time
The states have the power to amend the Constitution. If they want that power, they need to go through the effort to pass an amendment allowing for it.

>>135644384
PLEASE DO IT!!! I WANT TARGET PRACTICE, AND FREE LOOT!!!

>>135644822
>two of the three counties in delaware are red
>still turned blue

I know this place does not matter in the grand scheme of things but it still frustrated me that newcastle could not be voted red despite the majority of votes in the two other counties

>>135644384
this this shit really happens ill just plead asylum and leave this stupid ass state

>>135645197
Let it burn. It's already insolvent without federal funds.

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Would be great

>>135662746
>nevada
what the fuck, so what happens if you "buy" a house out there or try to purchase any kind of land? Also why is so much of Nevada federally owned? All because of the atomic bomb testing?

>>135645351
Naturalized beaners down here are pretty based. They don't want their illegal cousins coming and fucking shit up.

Native Texas Hispanics are badass. They fucking haaaaate Mexicans.

>>135662633
Pagan here. Desu Vult is right.

>>135653384

i want to put on a grey uniform and hit the nukes

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>>135644384
I'll vote for it, pack up all my shit and guns and move out to Arizona as the tanks and planes come screaming in. Then wait for commies to be crushed and move back in to profit... I live here and I hope it happens soooooo bad!!!!

>>135648857
And take most federal ag subsidies!

>>135644384
right other the the fact they literally cant with out a super majority vote to allow it.

>>135645342
>Implying this is somehow bad. You can be a black red and yellow neck my German Bro.

>>135649282
Fuck that. The Midwest has the soil people and infrastructure. They just haven't been productive since bush sr because of all the goddamn agricultural subsidies California sucks up.

They are unable to compete with the factory farms pumping out subsidized food. Take those away and the Bible belt will start growing food again.

We would need to legislate factory farms out of existence and use subsidy money to prop up new small farms.

>>135655834
Fuck HK they are jerks.

>>135664823
Legal beans hate illegal beans more than whites down here. Actual immigration process is difficult and expensive; They get pissed that they had to go through all the channels but some wetback gets better treatment just by popping out a kid on American soil

>>135644943
>Texas threatens to secede
>several neighboring southern states threaten to secede with them
>California threatens to secede
>nobody cares
Love it

>>135645707
>a minimum of 18 years must pass until these infants can influence elections
There's a big hole in your argument all of a sudden

>>135644384
Ahhahahha

>when I was in college my "Latino studies" la raza professor told us that whites didn't belong in California and they were going to kill or remove us all.
>he's now the head of the department.

What happens if they succeed? Do we fight another war to preserve the union or allow them a space to quartile the crazy?

>>135664644
>accidental political compass

>>135664719
Because 90% of federally owned land in those areas is inhospitable, or is a national park.

>>135666484
what college?

>>135646402
Yfw Texas is the only state that can legally secede, it was part of negotiations during annexation since we were a sovereign nation beforehand

>>135648857
That means nothing now that hydroponics exists. Every state can produce what California does, and possibly do it better (at least keep illegals from defecating on our food).

>>135645342
Funny thing is Americans have more German ancestry than anything else.

>>135650664
>law school

>thinks the commies actually follow the constitution?

I have some bad news for you about your education. You might want to consider transferring.

>>135666685
you got to be shitting me, so is there like a whopping total of like 50 people that live there?

>>135644384
>California Allows Secession

It will never be allowed.

>>135644384
Please leave. I'm begging you to go. Please just go.

>>135664719
No, it predates atomic testing by a long stretch. Most of the western US were territories obtained either by purchase by the federal government or by conquest. Either way, at one point pretty much all of it was the property of the federal government. When settlers moved in, they were given or sold land. Eventually these settlers wanted to their surroundings to be states. So statehood was granted but that didn't do away with the federal ownership of land it purchased or conquered.
In the eastern states, the original colonies were all independent states who decided to come together to form a nation. The federal government only owns land that it purchased from those states or was granted to them by the states.
If you want to buy some of the federal land, it depends on where it is located as to if the government will sell it to you or not. Much of it could be purchased but it's desert or scrublands of little to no economic value. Other areas are managed for use for recreation, timber, mining, or grazing. That's what the whole Bundy-BLM issue was about. The federal government had allowed grazing on federally owned land but some ranchers either didn't pay the relatively small fees for grazing, the didn't like the rules requiring grazing land to be left alone from time to time to recover, or the simply wanted to own the land and the feds wouldn't sell.
The land wasn't stolen from the states. It belonged to the federal government long before the states even existed.

>>135649387
Most likely scenario.

>>135652623
Some Supreme Court justice ruled that our voter id laws here in Texas were discriminatory to minorities and the poor; Go figure, if illegal beans could vote, they'd likely swing the state

>>135644822

All those blue counties in the South are Blacks/Mexicans

>>135666870
They study the hell out of it to find ways to subvert it. Somehow the Second Amendment means that we can "own" guys but they have to be kept in a government facility and we can access them only if the government gives us permission to, for supervised practice or during a Hurricane-Katrina-tier emergency. Because they're just for a militia.

>>135653384
Read the CSA declarations of independence, it was about slavery you jackass.

>>135652422
As a Deseret Utahn, I fully support the State of Jefferson.

>>135666930
No you retard, the areas that arent federal land are big cities with surrounding suburbs.
By this very logic Rhode Island has 20 people living in it

>>135659849
even better
>California Succeeds
>Northern California becomes state of Jefferson
>Doesn't get US protection
>Doesn't keep US armament and equipment
>Doesn't get US subsidies
>Gets invaded by mass Mexicans
>Companies flee because high tax rates
>The south takes over agriculture for the US
>Silicon Valley moves to eastern coast
>Red Country for the next 100 years
They won't. It would be like Christmas, everyday. We've won too much already.

>>135665074
Fuck no, I am ready to fight for the union. Do you not want to kill fucking faggots like Antifas, niggers lives matter or commies? Are you a fucking pussy?

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>>135644384
HUH? LOLWUT? WTF? THAT'S ILLEGAL, NO STATE CAN SECEDE FROM THE USA!

>>135659849
Tax the shit out of movies coming from hollywood. KEKEKEKEKEKE

>>135644384
please happen
please happen
please happen
please happen

>retarded democucks try to secede AGAIN
>get btfo AGAIN
can't wait to carpetbag CAcucks

>>135644384
This is good whether or not it passes. It shows why we need to deport all the illegal mexicans.

The alternative is losing states.

>>135666726
How well did that work out the first time?

>>135667033
That clears up a lot. I had figured it might have to do with how we were colonizing much of the west. I guess it was easier to just buy the land beforehand.

>>135661833
>this is literally me without the shitty shirt and glasses
>captcha: helicopters
What did they mean by this?

>>135667385
Alternative to my original statement >>135667344
>California Reps responsible for disolvement of California imprisoned for Treason.
>National Government takes over California
>??
>Profit

>>135666726
Stop spreading that shit. Texas doesn't not have the right to secede. It does not have the right to split into four states or any other retard "special" shit you heard from some guy some time. Any imagined deals became null and void when they entered the United States and became bound by the Constitution. No treaty has higher authority than the Constitution and the Constitution doesn't allow states to leave. Stop repeating retarded shit you fucking retarded shit. Now go run off to some retarded shit sovereign citizen forum and return here with a link with some retarded shit post about how Texas is somehow above the US Constitution. We'll wait because you know your retarded shit wants to go do that to defend your retarded shit.

>>135662941
The way the amendment process was created makes it a near impossibility, especially with the disarray and disregard of the constitution with modern politicians anyway

>>135661833
Oh and yeah I agree, we'll be to california what it is to the union. Fucking asshole state.

>>135648205
Is that you Styx? I agree. Sorry the ass blasted Cali-fags made you take your loot CA vid down.

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>>135667409

>>135644701
We'll just have to make the wall that much longer.

It will be worth it. And watching them crash and burn will be funny. Too bad about the 'california dream' tho.

The bloody wound it leaves behind will remind us this game is real. Maybe we can use the kick in the ass.

>commiefornia succeeds
>instantly the real estate market goes to shit in LA, SF, SD, etc.
>Silicon valley gets fucked hard because we can charge anything for electricity and bandwidth now
>cities gets taken over by beaners
>niggers start to get eradicated tries to move back east
>gets killed by the rednecks of eastern commiefornia
Fuck it will be glorious, the ethnic cleansing that America needs is coming.

>>135644384

We need to support this . It could spell the extermination of Hollywood, the pork industry, berkely, queer San Francisco culture.

Make bots to stiff the ballots, vote for your dead grandpa. California must secede.

>>135661833
Someone could easily cut the water to LA down to 'enough to drink' territory and give them a few days without showers to give up.

>>135667884
Dude don't touch the pork industry...

>>135656348
Well, you wouldn't be wrong.

new silicon valley in Dallas when?

>>135667342
Well yeah the big cities and such. I am just thinking that the land between the cities. All that space is not even used I assumed. So I guess its either you live in the cities, or try your luck out living outside of that, however inhospitable it actually is. Or just lots and lots of farmland.

>>135667385
>>135667573
Reconstruction incoming! I call carpetbagging LA.

>>135667933
danes make great pork don't worry, they also don't let muzzies in

>>135667632
the constitution has no opinion on secession dipshit
it was white v texas that ruled secession illegal

>>135655868
We could keep our 50 stars and make sure to use up the Colorado River before Los Angeles (now part of Mexico ) gets a drop.

>>135644384
We keep hearing Texas doing the same thing once per year, but Texas can't leave the union so I assume California can't as well.

>>135667933
>Dude don't touch the pork industry...

Pork is auto correct for porn on a cellphone.

>>135668282
>lefty elites obeying the law
hahaha laws are only for conservatives and poor people

>>135668406
JAV is better than (((california))) nuporn anyway, nothing of value was lost

>>135655868
lassen plumas and modoc, the true redpilled places to live

JEFFERSON NOW

>>135668435
>rights elites obeying the law
You're cute America

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>>135667344
>losing a state with port access
>losing a state with naval bases
>losing nearly the entire west coast
>weakening our border with letting them secede

sure cali is cancer, but we gain more problems than gain benefits with them seceding. also, it's cute that just a year ago these people would laugh at Texas for [trying to] secede.

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>>135667632
>REEEEEEEEEEE autistic screeching "retarded shit" on repeat
Well articulated mouth foaming keyboard head bashing right there lad, here's a (you) with a bonus you for having the tender ass of a 12 year old. Texas>the constitution, always and forever, get fucked calexit fag, should've moved out while you could

>>135668805
of course we wouldn't let them secede, we'd blow them the fuck up

>>135646402
>>135668121
History favors the winners. If a US court says that states cannot unilaterally secede, either the secession will be authorized (i.e. we will negotiate/permit it) or we'll go to war against California.

As a practical matter Texas cannot lawfully secede and the US could respond to an unauthorized attempt with minimal likelihood of any overseas interference given the nuclear arsenal.

>>135659899
this
i feel guilty as a californian when i go up to oregon, I can feel their disdain.
as a result i have Jefferson and Trump shit all over my cars.

>>135668805

Of course the union would take back the territory after we nuke it.

>>135649066
It would hide stains pretty well I think

>>135669084
in that case I see no issue, well maybe blowing up, I'm sure that's more cost effective, but anyone in that state with guns would help us purge the people ruining the state to begin with, so we could just do a mass deport to Mexico, and Canada for the non-illegals.

>>135664644
What is that shitty strip of land holding us back?

>>135648857
That's only because they steal all the surrounding state's water anon look it up. California became a State first and got to declare its own borders making itself larger then Federal Government wanted. It then has been able to lobby to steal all the surrounding water since before the surrounding states were states. Those states are powerless politically compared to California's huge Illegal Alien Census based Electoral vote. It's all a giant scam. Water can make the desert bloom anywhere. They just steal it all. Make Nevada and Arizona great again. They steal water from as far away as Colorado.

>>135669184
>this issue wont ever come back up in debates

>>135668805
we have a strong presence in the pacific anyways. what we should do is pull a sumter on them if they do secede (which they won't, at least not successfully) and hold on to our ports and bases, and bait them into trying to take them from us and effectively starve them out. we surround them on their northern eastern borders and use our presence in the pacific to our favor to threaten their coast. we don't even need to fire a shot. hell, i'm not even sure all that is even necessary. they're economy is so shit as it is that i couldn't even imagine a california actually independent of the federal government. they wouldn't last very long independent.

>>135648002
>commiefornia is the same as the confederacy

Dude you are are a goddamn moron, pick up a history book.

>>135644384
This way leads to civil war. The seccesionists will be crushed by force of arms, if necessary.

>>135670387
doesn't California have nuclear arms?

>>135669184
>implying the states seceding care wether it's legal or not to do so
I won't call you stupid but don't be dense

>>135670217
I honestly can't get your point here. Is your point that the issue of states being able to secede will never come up during debates, or a sarcastic point that CA would bring up secession and that it would inevitably be brought up for public debate?

>>135646640
>>135646402
>second way is by declaring war on the United States and actually winning
>third if the state/states that leave fight the war and win

>>135670512
>implying any sort of minuteman or silo operator is going to side with a secession
They'd sooner get brigged or shot in the head for even thinking about it

Wait a minute...

>The state’s attorney general, Xavier Becerra, issued an official ballot measure title on Tuesday allowing CalExit supporters to start gathering the 585,000 signatures needed to place the matter before California voters in 2018, the Associated Press reported.

So all we need is an "official ballot measure title" and 585,000 signatures to get a referendum in California? So... how do we get those things for completely unrestricted gun rights?

>>135670584
California depends way too much on neighboring states for natural resources, particularly water. And hollywood and silicon valley depend way too much on foreign & domestic investment money, which would tighten under US pressure if they seceded.

any attempt to secede would be a horrible deal. forcible secession isn't going to happen with the cali population, if it does they will be decimated. voluntary attempts would be under such bad terms it would never be executed.

>>135646731

>Based Inland Empire.

>>135649727
indeed friend indeed

>>135650615
Sandiego can be our Gibralter rock like the british have in spain

>>135670630
you are retarded if you think that the topic would not be debated in congress if the majority of Californians vote for independence

Separatists aren't even humam beings.
Shoot them without mercy

>>135655316
maxine waters out of congress, LETS DO IT!

>>135644384
Hoping Texas jumps on the bandwagon and secedes too.

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See you in september


or not

lmfao

I dont care

>>135649292

Sign that shit.

California votes for secession. Pro-Jefferson secessionists can use that as ammo in their own struggle to secede from California.

>>135649727
>No constitutional rights, no self-government, taxed at 90%.

so you're gonna go in and make it the same? how libertarian

>>135671311
debated as in useless time consumption and media cycle, oh I'm sure.

but you don't have people saying
>I'm ashamed to be a californian associated with america

they say when they're mad at non-liberal moves
>It makes me ashamed to be an american

they identify as american.

now you could go european v brexit but it's the difference between saying "I'm british" and "I'm californian".

now lets say that the politicians think they might get a vote to pass. lets pause and consider this.

a lot of people move in the US for job related reasons. a lot of people are going to know people in other states. they're going to see how messy the EU makes leaving (which has a mechanism to leave) and they're going to reconsider.

then you have the democratic leadership pissing their pants that they will never get the presidency again and fighting it.

calexit is a fucking dream. at least for brexit britain has a separate national identity, which california fantasizes about but actually lacks.

>>135670159

Thanks for the redpill on CA.

It amazes me how everyone or thing that is a winner at life, is like that because it has unfair advantages.

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>>135644384
>Dems will no longer have a 55 vote head start in elections
>Commiefornians will stop infecting other states

FUCKING DO IT

>>135647118
Coastal defense, nuclear defense, military bases, large landmass, international trade.

>>135672333
There is a reason why Europe is a better place to move too.

>>135644384
This is great. Lets game the scenario:

Outcome 1: they fail to gather the needed signatures, embarrassing the left and ending the matter
Outcome 2: they succeed in gathering the needed signatures, placing the issue on the ballot

Outcome 2.1: the vote fails, embarrassing the left and ending the matter
Outcome 2.2: the vote succeeds, proving to the rest of the country Californians are disloyal and not to be trusted

>>135672524
All in the heavily republican areas specifically south OC north SDC. Kern County and anything north of Redding.

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>>135647312
Balkinization is the only way any aspects of the USA survive. If it stays on its current path it will be be a Brazil-tier shithole in the next 50 years.

Places like Alaska and Hawaii never even should have been states. And now it's way too big and culturally different to stay united in any capacity.

Let the Northeast liberals and Californians have their leftist uptopias. Don't let them continue to invade and drag down quality states.

Don't nitpick my map. You get the idea.

>>135644384

Now i want to see how would have been the election results without commiefornia.

>>135667377

You're missing the bigger picture here. CA leaving would be good for the rest of us. Plus, you'd still get to fight because California wouldn't want to give up the northern counties, all of whom want to secede and become the State of Jefferson. So you could join the Jefferson independence movement and still get to kill commies.

>>135647118
california is a beautiful state. Its a shame the commies have ruined it.

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>>135673140
>putting New England in with Jew York

>>135644384

Where are you going to get your water from when the U.S. embargos you?

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT

>>135673140
>yes gweilo, divide yourselves into a thousand pieces while china remains united so that we can buy these pieces more easily

>>135673140
>Northeast liberals

You lack even a rudimentary understanding of our political landscape, Gretzky. Most of the country outside of large cities leans right, including the northeast.

>>135644384
I will vote yes then move out before the law is in effect. There's some okay people here. Ninety percent is toxic human filth.

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>>135673711
>>135674763
Here's a reinterpretation by an American who knows a little more about the geography (incuding culture) of this country.

>>135644384
> Complain about the confederate flag and Souther Secession - traitors
> Pushing secession

makes you think

>California leaves
>California implodes
>Californians leave their containment state

You know leftists love to destroy a place and move to red states. They don't deserve such a beautiful place just like Africans don't deserve Africa. Why do the worst people get some of the nicest places?

>>135648857
Oh no, what are we gonna do without expensive nuts from cali : k boo hoo

>>135648002
>"You did this."
>"No, Obama. You did."

>>135667033
You could argue though that all kinds of behaviors like that by the federal government were never intended in the original scope of its powers

>>135644384
>infrastructure dies
>all pedros leave into white lands surrounding commiefornia

NO

If California succeeds and becomes a third-world shithole, will the Mexicans stay in California?

I'd bet money that they'd try to run cross the new border into the United States.

>>135644384

Just how assblasted do you have to be to want to fucking secede solely because we have a meme President for the next four years (at least)?

>>135650664
>...the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

What a load of bullshit. They couldn't actually find a reason that a state couldn't leave the union so they invoked the articles of confederation.

>>135677592
They'd probably elect a berniebro to loot the whites the "civilized" way, and then move to what's left of the US after that.

>>135645351
this ^

>>135644384
I'm a Californian and I would vote leave and then move to wisconsin

>>135644384

All Trump has to say is that he 'cannot see this succeeding' and the left will vote to leave int heir droves.

>>135655316

Im voting yes then moving the fuck out.

>>135675768
dont fuck with texas yee haw

>>135680775
for those of you who dont know Texas away from the niggers is the best life.
>tfw A&M(and their respected and under represented sister schools), UT (and their respected and under represented sister schools), TCU, SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Rice
Come home white man

>>135679700
Um you do know once it's passed you are no longer American and would not be allowed to live in any of the other states. Unless you got dual citizenship. Good luck getting that.

>>135680775
>>135681253
I made Texas separate because otherwise it would just claim that it had gotten bigger and try conquering its neighbor(s) as it tried to with Oklahoma.

t. grew up there

>>135681964
yeah Oklahoma should just be more north texas lel

>>135681619
The idea would be to help the US by getting rid of California, and then moving before the votes were counted. California seems to let illegal immigrants vote (have to keep the democrats in power after all) so it wouldn't be hard to pull off.

>>135682131
Yup that's why I made it part of (whatever the ranchland to the west of the Midwest farmland is).

>>135681964
In any balkanization scenario Texas would claim both Oklahoma and Louisiana. None of our neighbors would be capable of stopping us from taking those states and we need them for reasons that only retards can't see.

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>>135644384
I Hope after you seceded the land gives way and you all fall in the ocean. that way i can have beach front property and less asshat libtards

>>135682285
Ya that would not work they would know you fucking voted and force you to go back or make you a refugee and send t
You to Mexico lol

>CalExit
That'll show the USA! Duck Frump!

>BrExit
Well, now... let's not be too hasty here, guys...

lol

>>135644384

I fucking love it. Lets meme that the russians are financing/engineering calexit to weaken America and cause a civil war. I suspect its actually true

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>>135644384

As someone from Cali I want us to secede. Not because I want to live in a Leftist Communist Shithole, but because of HOW FUCKING MUCH I WANT TO SEE IT FAIL!!!.

HELICOPTER RIDES FOR ALL

>>135647118

To prevent china or mexico from grabbing it?

>>135682537
>we need them for reasons that only retards can't see.
Oklahoma - oil?
Louisiana - the Mississippi River?

>California secedes
>Can't afford resources
>every beaner in mexico floods in to get on welfare
>collapses
>Silicon Valley moves to Massachusetts, Route 128 is made great again
>made to undergo Reconstruction with Peter Thiel as provisional governor
>tfw

>>135683204
>Louisiana
Also oil.

>>135683204
Louisiana is just an extension of Houston.

>>135645351
This is more true than you guys realize.
California was the most Red state in the Union until the California Supreme Court repealed voter id laws. Ever since then we have been solid blue.
Texas just recently repealed their voter id laws.

>>135645351
texas has way less electoral votes, so, that is still a massive loss

>>135644384

We need to put the full force of our meme magick behind Calexit, /pol/. Not just promoting it but also stirring the pot and triggering them into backing it to get away from those meanie conservative boogiemen that have built in the minds.

Imagine the potential memes we will profit with the investment. No longer will the South be the ebil traitor hillbillies, no, it will be the whiney tranny traitors of California that are spit upon. The normies of the other 49 states will be extremely receptive of all caricatures of the left we put out causing a major disassociative break to the rightwing. Then comes the civil war.

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>>135677592
That's why we need to build the wall like this.

>>135646402
What if they declare war and nobody gives a fuck?

Can they just quietly leave then?

>>135682285

>california allows illegal votes
>illegals vote for california to elave
>more illegals enter
>they then assume the majority and vote to join mexico

I think it would be hilarious

>>135683874

The US doesnt give a fuck about LA, it does give a fuck about san diego though. Too much military infrastructure.

>>135644384
>be an insolvent state
>secede from nation

Lmao the Fed is the only thing holding cali together. If they secede, I bet at least half the population leaves.

>>135664823

Exactly, you are describing what I call redmex, the redneck hispanic. Most dont even speak spanish but even if they do they are TEJANO. Conservative and hardworking they will never vote for trannies and shit.

>>135647118
Yeah dude, nothing of value, just like 60% of the West coast and several deep-water ports.

>>135684120
The irony is that the Mexicans don't even like Mexico but then they fly Mexican flags...

>>135683517
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-department-of-justice-stands-by-texass-voter-id-law/532980/

Sessions is bringing them back. Also:

>This is the third time a Texas voter ID law has gone through the courts, each time through Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos
>Judge
>Gonzalez
We are letting Mexicans strip power from Americans. Judge needs to be deported for being a foreign agent.

>>135684654

https://archive.is/pGLvQ

>>135683508

Zydeco music was invented in Houston.

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>>135684646

>>135685044
WE WUZ AZTECS N SHEEIT MUTHAFUCKAZZZZZ

>>135673711
New England has voted Democratic for 30+ years. It is the epitome of a cucked shithole.

>>135674476
>Yes goyim stay together and continue to turn into a spic filled shithole.

>>135674763
Every country outside the cities learns right. Too bad the cities make up the vast majority of the population.

The Northeast is an especially a cucked shithole. Stop larping like it's 1776 and you're Patrick Henry.

>>135675768
I am American. Born in Ohio. Baylor University for my Bachelor's. Oklahoma State for my Master's.

Oklahoma would join with Texas before the midwest 100% of the time. Tell me more about your vast knowledge of the culture though.

>>135682543
>calexit vote passes by wide majority due to republicans also voting for a fun shitshow of commie failure
>things stay in constitutional limbo
>major earthquake devastates california
>nobody wants to help their traitorous bitchasses

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>>135685345
>Oklahoma would join with Texas before the midwest 100% of the time.

Oklahoma would join Texas just to keep the yearly Sooners-Longhorn football game. Its literally all Oklahomans have to live for.

>>135673140
NY/New England would die a horrible death.

They want to be the liberal workers so they'd accept all immigrants, but this time the immigrants would actually go to NY/New England. It would collapse in a decade.

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>>135673140

Calexit is the catalyst for a chain of events that leads to a white ethnostate.

>>135670159
Yes water is from out of state.
And so is electricity wired down from Washington State's hydro dams.

If they leave, they don't get water or electricity.
Instant collapse. Insurection.
But they are liberals, so they will do it, and I will laugh.

>>135685345
>Oklahoma would join with Texas before the midwest 100% of the time.
Perhaps in the current context, where Oklahoma depends on and is intimidated by Texas.

However, if Oklahoma was joined with the *other* agricultural states toward the west, it would be part of a confederacy, while if it was "joined" with Texas, it would be annexed, which almost happened already.

>Tell me more about your vast knowledge of the culture though.
New York is not in New England, for starters ;-)

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>>135685345
>because it votes for one of the two political parties consistently, we should lump it in with a state that has a completely alien regional culture and fierce rivalry between the two regions
Faggot, you're basically lumping together Louisiana and Arkansas with Texas because they're adjacent to each other and vote the same.

>>135644384

America wins either way. If the US government lets them secede then the character of the nation increases greatly and gives America a chance at the future. If the US government bombs them, it will the greatest show ever.

What would happen if Washington ceded?
It's also a faggot filled blue state
I'm a bootlicker and love America and don't want that

>>135673140
>>135675768
>Implying NY will stay together as a state after US balkanization
lmao

>>135686626

No Texas is so big it has several overlapping cultures. Yall are forgetting west texas and new mexico. Also the fulf coast culture extends through louisiana all the way to florida.

>>135684353
And if they do and try to enter the New America they must pass the assimilation courses and citizenship tests. If Cali is so into their La Raza stuff maybe they will become a part of Mexico HAHAHA!

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>>135685724
A group of us from OU/OSU took a bus down in 2015. The 5 hour ride home was like a funeral. Fuck Sooners/Longhorns. Go Pokes.

Honestly I liked OSU way more than BU though. Baylor just seemed like my parents tuition money was subsidizing coaches bribing niggers to play football in exchange for being able to rape christian white girls without repercussions. Fuck Baylor.

>>135685768
New England deserves to a horrible death. They are cucked beyond any sort of redemption and killed their fellow white men to free a bunch of niggers.

>>135687024
True, as a large part of northern California ("Jefferson"?) would want to join the PNW.

>>135687176
>Assimilation course and citizenship tests

Don't forget the 23AndMe test.

>>135687389
>Maine
grr it's those Mass-holes who have colonized the south.