>creates beautiful people >tells ugly people not to be

You know OP, I've had certain experiences with God and the true religion would be some kind of gnosticism that nobody wrote about where jesus was a deceiver too.

Basically: The world is being ruled by a dark power and its minions (the demiurge) whom is not only the god of the bible but also the god of the other religions. He's a dick.
There's a god above him whom will save you if you reach gnosis.

>>135615338
this.
All abrahamic religions are worshiping the same god.
It's Anunaki god. (anu) with major influence of saturn (maybe a base there, who knows)

what you're not realizing is that our context is completely flexible

imagine that all of those problems went away, we would still be the same type of creatures, except now we would be just as upset about different, less horrible circumstances, like our hair getting messed up or something

the skills you master in this whirlwind of pain and fear will apply to any context, including one far better or far worse, and if we really are immortal, things will need to change...a lot

>>135614894
>claims that the world is perfect
Only before the fall of man.

Kindly enough though, he has given us many tools to deal with the imperfections of this world. Because he loves us and wants us to prosper.

It (GOD) isnt even human, it's draconian.
That depiction is just an "hologram" they can create to seem like gods or angels, in the past. Nowadays if it appeared it would be debunked as a fake "body" and scientists wouldn't believe it was an miracle appearance

>>135615338
>>135615461
>>135615488

Do you think each humans death is randomly by chance or does God pick and choose who he wants to kill at that moment? Also for in which way people die. Is that random or not? Fuck this gay shit.

>>135614894
Made man in his image
>mankind is really really fucked up

Am I on /X/ again?

>>135615609
Anon, the true (legitimately interested in humans) God is the draconian one.

>>135615688
/x/ is actually a bag of flaccid pensises where you cannot discuss the actual nature of God because they will want it having been discussed previously on a book and will dismiss personal experiences.

Basically /x/ is a book club.

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>>135615670
>and choose who he wants to kill at that moment? Also for in which way people die. Is that random or not? Fuck this gay shit.
he is not the source of universe, neither are the angels or demons.
Angels and demons are probably aliens and "god" is their leader.
It's all about this "good and evil" dimension. They feed on it, particularly on fear, because fear is stronger than love. (it has more energy and it can be pushed to extreme)

>>135614894
God is interested in seeing you to deal with it. Life is just a training program.

>perfect beautiful creation
Go learn some math and then go learn some physics.

>>135614894
God doesn't do anything of those things, God does not give a fuck about the hairless apes killing one another on some backwater planet called Earth. God only cares about the conscious souls within those hairless apes, souls that must experience mortality over and over until they finally learn to be one with The Highest(God), until the finally reach enlightenment.

>>135615910
What the fuck, where are you getting this shit from?

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>>135614894
Blaming God for the errors of men

Complains about stormy weather

Are u some kind of little bitch?

What always creeped me out is the thought of what happens immediately after you die. God claims there's no pain, suffering, sadness etc in heaven but won't you realize youre dead and left your loved ones? How could you not be sad when you're dead? What happens to all your feelings?

>>135615910
>They feed on it, particularly on fear, because fear is stronger than love.
Fear is stronger than all emotions

>>135616091
I don't remember eating the fruit.

>>135616091

There are people that will argue about free will and if it truly exists or not, so there's no point on getting into whether man brings destruction on himself or if it's all part of God's plan. We could argue for days.

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>>135614894

Just another proof the whole universe is kek and we should worship the froggod

>>135614894

>creates free will
>tells us to grow up

>autistic man children whine and complain because god dint give them heaven for free

Earn it you piece of shit. You can't dispose yourself of the need of love from your creator by ignoring him. The only way you won't need God's love anymore is by earning it.

>>135616103
You realise there is no death. But an eternal afterlife with god and all you ever known and those still alive will be with you soon enough.

>>135616528
Demiurge worshippers are the worst kind of retard, they are worshipping a dark power who isn't the legitimate god and they will never notice.

I also don't get how CHAD gets all the pussy by being over prideful and not waiting till marriage to have sex and committing sodomy etc. He's living the life. Who wouldn't want hot babes on their dick all the time, yet they are achieving all that fun by doing anti-god behaviors. Shouldn't anti God behaviors result in NOT getting hot pussy? Just one of the many contradictions I think about on a daily basis

>>135615488
Was there suffering in the garden of edan? Is there suffering in heaven?

>>135616528

>telling other people what they worship

Gee, aren't you just so fucking enlightened.

Just so were clear here: Are you claiming the demiurge created free will, or are you an insufferably retarded pseudo intellectual with his head so far up his own ass he can almost reach his butthole for a second circuit?

>>135616947
Simply notice how all the elites are doing child sacrifice and are behind stories of child rape and you'll understand that they are being protected by a dark power that enjoys such things, possibly while preaching the opposite.

>>135616947

>why didn't god make my life easy?
>why is being good the more difficult path?

Because you are supposed to GROW UP.

>>135616528

So the pieces of shit who kill people before killing themselves "earned it"? When a murderer dies it's his time to enter eternal bliss?

>>135614894
>>creates beautiful people
>>tells ugly people not to be jealous
>>creates murderers and theives
>>tells victims not be angry and to forgive
>>creates titties, dicks, and asses
>>tells us not to lust
>>claims the world is his perfect beautiful creation
>>natural disasters kill people all the time
>Is this mother fucker just toying with us or what? I'm starting to get really pissed off at this dude

You're list is fallacious. It goes like this, oh ye who fails to take responsibility for the flaws of yourself and your species:

>God creates Free Will
>Humans continually ignore Him and choose evil
>Humans blame God

Typical dumbfucks you all are.

Even natural disasters would not hurt people if we chose to use our intellectual and economic capacity and resources for defensive purposes rather than ever-more-efficient ways to kill each other.

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>>135614894

>>135617076
>Was there suffering in the garden of edan? Is there suffering in heaven?
NO AND NO.

t.Angel in disguise.

>>135617083
should point to
>>135616637

>>135617148

Why is being bad so rewarding then? Surely you agree that being a porn star or being filthy rich is more satisfying than not

>>135617175
>Typical dumbfucks

Explain why constantly choosing evil nets you an emporium of riches and prosperity.

>>135617168

Why do you think dying is a free pass to heaven, anon?

Rhetorical question. if you thought that you would be absolutely retarded to not kill yourself this very moment.

But... you know that isn't true, dont you?

>>135617330

Exactly what I'm trying to say

If getting your dick sucked (sodomy) was so evil then why don't we get really sick or something after each time man gets his dick sucked? If there was demonstrable evidence of punishment after every time you get your dick sucked then maybe we would stop wanting to get our dicks sucked by babes with DSL's. Or is this part of God's awesome test?

>>135617505
Christians are merely larpers, don't expect better from them.

>>135617371

Are you saying Chester Bennington got sent to hell? Serious question what do you think is happening to him right now

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We cannot know God, maybe he exists maybe he doesn't. Read Hume

>>135617284


You aren't really reading these are you?

If being good gave the best results, would there be any temptation for evil? You would have to be a total idiot to ever do a single uncouth thing.

You wouldn't have free will. Free will is what you are, why you were made, and the single reason god would even consider loving something wretched as you.

Because you can choose to do right, even when it is hard, even if it ruins you, even if it kills you.

If life were all fairy tales and happy endings where the evil suffered and the good triumphed, there would be nothing for us to learn and nothing to interest god.

Your life is so ridiculously comfortable and lovely that you are able to make mountains out of the molehills you never would have seen if not for the unprecedented prosperity which preceded your arrival here.
God made heaven, and each of us is responsible for making our own little hell, should we find heaven lacking, wanting.

Do you find heaven wanting?

>>135617610

I don't know who that is, but people are not allowed in hell while dead. That privilege is for the living who choose it.

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>>135615461

>>135617765
Humans learn by observing, not by denying reality.

>>135614894
It's like you don't even realize the afterlife is where all the real good and bad is. The current world is a test of character

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>>135614894
Life is a test op, pic related is the best answer for the question you are stuck on.

>>135617765

So let's cut to the chase. Will porn stars be punished more than non porn stars? Same thing for murderers, theives etc. If life is one big stress test like you say, surely there will be ultimate justice at the end for all these dudes who get their dicks sucked all the time by porn stars. Also explain how a nice loving church family who died in a car accident. What was that? Did God not want them on Earth anymore? Explain it

>>135617852

>my rules are better than god's rules

Enjoy your waking hell, kiddo. You earned it.

If you want to stop being an angsty bitch for 20 minutes, we can talk about free will before I go to bed and leave you to your own devices.

You clearly have never considered the implications of free will. You think that life is some videogame where being the good guy gets you sweet loots and a princess.

God isn't trying to sell a million units by appealing to your monkey brain. He is trying, desperately, to give you a soul.

>>135618042
I am spiritually more mature than you, been there done that. What you are doing, justify the lies of the bible, I did in thepast, sadly they were lies and luckily there's life beyond that.

>>135618037

God does not punish, people punish. Punishment is retributive.

Last time ill type it so open your fucking eyes: you are here to learn.

Does the world make no fucking sense? check your premises, nigger; because you got some fucking wrong.

There is no divine intervention. The mere concrete knowledge of god's existence nullifies the free will experiment.

Again: If being evil always had bad results, and being good always had positive, do you really have free will?

>>135618042
So go ahead, defend your god with lies so we can learn about his truth with lies.

>>135615338

That is not completely accurate. In the two most significant Gnostic texts, it is Jesus himself who tells the disciples the alternative creation story where the devil created humanity and then fooled us into thinking he was god. Search On the Origin of the World and the Secret Book of John.

It would mean that Jesus Christ was still the Son of God but his true message was corrupted by those who were entrusted with it.

>>135617992

How is there bad in the afterlife? No where in the Bible does it say that.

>>135614894

>created 2 humans
>told them to not eat some shitty fruit
>humans did

our fault, not God

>>135618125

>bible?

The fuck did you say to me you little bitch? Noone said shit about the bible until you brought it up.

Again: check your fucking premises.

Does life make no sense? THAT MEANS YOU THINK SOMETHING THAT IS INCORRECT.

>>135618240

I dont even know what this means.

Tell me, what does free will mean to you?

Also, if you don't think you have it, you may as well kill yourself. It's logical and you can't not do it anyways.

>>135618246
>That is not completely accurate.

Pretty accurate, I believe what I believe based off my experience, not based of the delusions of a primitive man writing things down.

People get very retarded with the technicalities of what has been written, as a man who has read and tried and tested lots of occult literature, you can put your books inside your butt because that would be like returning to the source.

In short: My personal experience states jesus is a deceiver and a dark character, and I'm gonna trust it above somebodys pretty cool tale.

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>>135615974
This. Reaching enlightenment is NOT easy, nor should it be! Every single thought we have is a conversation with God.

>>135618286
Don't try to teach me, you're just stupid and arrogant and hot headed and so wrong it hurts.

>>135618261

>be man
>write story
>autists 6k years later unironically use it to btfo god

Cmon dude, you larping right?

>>135614894
Dont fuck this fallen angel tree. Woman goes and fucks it anyways. Aaand He doesn't make murder

>>135618424

Humans tend to appreciate the truth much less than god.

But it's the big guy's rules. And your choice.

>>135618261
If he created the humans imperfect in a way that they would succumbs to temptation and sin then it was him doing it by your own logic, retard.

I can't believe sometimes the stupidity of people.

>>135618246

Bruh, if he created humanity, that's a pretty solid candidate for "god" even if he has a god of his own.

>>135618679

>chastising stupidity while living in ignorance

what does free will mean to you?

At what point is vengeance warranted if people are treating you badly? If never, then what is preventing me from treating people like shit? I don't see the repercussions of doing shady shit. If it's all up to God when we are all dead, what is his form of punishment? But then, I thought he forgives us?

>>135618829
are you asking man or are you asking god?

If you are asking man, you should probably ask yourself (and prepare for the consequences)

If you are asking god, you are not asking properly.

>>135614894
>yfw Satan was the good guy all along

>>135618549
I've spent 10 years sistematically studying analyzing breaking apart and testing religions, tell me I speak from ignorance.

>>135616252
False fear can be overcome. Don't be a pussy bitch and have love it takes more strength to love the unknown then to stay in a state of fear. Also fear can only last a limited time

>>135618900

I have asked man who and why killed my father. No answers. I have asked God. No response. I wait for his justice to come. If it ever will. I am left in the dark for now.

>>135618014
Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed

>>135618946

>yfw you are an NPC in a realm created by god to enlighten satan, his most beautiful creation, in the hopes of having a true companion.

>yfw that didn't go as planned.

>>135618713

But why wouldn't you want to be on the side of the most powerful God?

>>135618964

You speak from ignorance.

Guess how I know?

You seek the divine wrought from the hands of men, when it was men wrought from the hand of the divine.

You have it all backwards, anon.

>>135617115
Darkness can happen here on earth but will get cucked in the afterlife forever

>>135614894
>Creates beautiful people
That people may appreciate beauty not to abuse beauty for personal gain.
>Creates murderers and thieves
God gave people freedom to use strength, freedom of thought to be cunning. Humans chose to use that freedom to murder and to steal.
>Creates sexual anatomy
For the purpose of sexual reproduction to be enjoyed not abused by monogamous couples. Instead humans chose to abuse it by carrying out rape, orgies and yielding themselves to degenerate pleasure.
>Natural disasters kill people all the time
As Scripture says All Creation groans at the fallen World. Whilst natural disasters kill people how many humans will willingly give to assuage the suffering of the survivors? Years later and Haiti is still a shithole. Africa is still wracked by war and famine. What is humanity doing about self inflicted pain?

You may wish to blame God but humanity has only itself to blame for the misery it has inflicted on itself.

>>135614894
>Creates free will
>Gives you the choice to be good or bad
>Tells you which choices he prefers you make
>Gives you the opportunity to prove yourself

Hmm it's almost like how we plant crops and throw out the tainted and rotted fruit, and we want the good fruit that grows from the crops.
Really makes you think......

>>135617505
Lol what about STDs? Seems like you can't just fuck anything...

>>135618999

God does not intervene. You are free will, he can not save you while you walk the earth.

You are also changing the question. Ask god when is vengeance acceptable, just as you asked me.

Chances are, you don't even need to ask. You know the answer on some small level already.

>>135614894
It doesn't matter if he exists or not, if he did he clearly doesn't give a shit about any of us, the end.

>>135619150
>You speak from ignorance

The ignorance of having a set of experiences both with God and darkness, and with that bases scientifically examining every religion that passed by my hands.

>>135619120

hypothetical scenario: God prime create the universe and some angels and treats them like shit. torture, whatever.

one angel makes man in secret, tries his best, but despite not being outright evil and even trying to help, everything goes comically wrong and the world is shit.

Which would you worship as YOUR god?

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>>135614894
>creates everything
>tells his sentient creations to be mindful of their desires and urges, to not outright shut them out but also not to indulge heavily in them, to always moderate and find inner and outer balance, to not be fucking stupid like the confederate niggerfaggot OP

>>135616947
>Shouldn't anti God behaviors result in NOT getting hot pussy?
All wrong is a perversion of right. That's all it is.

Death didn't occur until the fall in Eden. Humanity continues to do wrong, so the world continues to be fallen.

>>135617832
Hells real trust me lol, better believe or you'll have flesh eating beasts come for you real shit yo

>>135619388

>scientifically examining religion

You are just fucking adorable.

Also, pretty laughably ignorant. The fool claims wisdom, while the wise man refuses to be thought of anything but a fool.

>>135619507

okay? Clearly I know hell is real: I already said it was reserved for the living who chose it.

>>135619286

So what's the punishment for murderers or porn stars? If we all sin and all sins are created equally then are we all fucked when judgment day comes? Doesn't it bother you that little Johnny who was a good kid that got hit and killed by a truck is in the same line for punishment as a serial killer?

>>135618445
Tell that to Satan when your dead, top Kek

>>135617284
Rich people aren't always happy y'know... some commit suicide despite having so much money.

Also getting blacked by tyrone isn't satisfaction, it's desperation
Being a pornstar mean's that people will see you less than human.

>>135619735
>all sins are created equally
That's not true though.

>Venial/Mortal
>Vincible/Invincible ignorance
>Circumstances and culpability

>>135619445

Something tells me you have more hate towards me than ISIS mother fuckers who are beheading people

>>135619507

That shit already happens in this life, so is this hell already?

>>135615588

>Original sin is not a tyrannical and ridiculous thing

>>135619735

Third time again: God does not punish; that is the business of man.

God's judgment be what it may, he is the authority on the subject.

>johnny // serial killer

Are you paying attention to yourself? every post you make, you intend to impose your will and judgement on god; it doesn't work in that direction.

If god chooses to judge them the same, who are you to know better? But forget that, who are you to assume he will judge them the same?

You hate god because you have created a god that is detestable, but I know your secret: you don't believe in this false god at all.

>>135620026

Spoiler alert: dudes wrote that book, not god.

>>135620029

Bible says god says "vengeance is mine" explain that please

If it's all up to man then couldn't a murderer live the rest of his life a good person and "save" himself then when he dies he will just walk straight into heaven no problem at all?

>>135619997
Na it gets worse, earth is a proving ground.

>>135619523
Truth is I was seeking God while you were fapping to shota doujins so thanks to that I have a better idea of how the world works and how are the things of the spirit working these days.

Accept it, God is unconcerned in a large part with our morality because the world is cruel and while some things may displease him, the true salvation is acquired through personal knowledge of God or gnosis, there also is a dark god governing earth incase you wanted to know this.

>>135620329

The bible was written by man, anon. Not by god.

Don't look to the works of man and try to admonish god.

Who are you to judge God's judgement?

>>135620622

No idea what your first sentence means.

>god doesnt care what we do

laughable. Why do you exist?

>>135615461
>muh copy cat theory
>ignoring all the teachings aan abarahamic religions
>muh multiple religions any mythologies are correlated to organized religion
>muh strawman arguments, exclusion fallacies, etc.
Wew

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>>135619874
That's right, I hate nu-flags. Wear your country's flag with pride and fuckin' work for it's betterment you cucknado.

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>>135615774
>i'm upset because people don't consider my personal anecdotes and experiences created by drug fueled hallucinations as evidence
really made me think

>>135620623
>Who are you to judge God's judgement?
That looks like something a Christian would say. Anyways, monotheism isn't universally true. A Christian can ask you the same crap. "Who are you to judge God's word?"

>>135620701
God does care what we do, but understand our situation and is forgiving of that, learn to read, my first sentence means that I have been seeking God for 10 years, studying every religion that passed by my hands and analyzing beliefs left and right and testing things.

>>135620880

No, I'm upset because I've studied religions and spirituality hard for 10 years and I've had lots of experiences, which has more value that merely believing a book.

>>135620800

Eh, I'd rock a texas flag if i could. I miss my texas flag.

>Why the fuck do i have to solve 6 fucking captchas

>>135620800

Hope you burn in hell

>>135620884

It is like you are being intentionally dense.

>god creates everything
> he knows best

This seems pretty fucking obvious, whether you follow dogma or not. You can't remove line 2 without removing line 1, to say otherwise is asinine.

>some shit create the universe
>but hes a cuck and im smarter than him

That's you being literally 1000x more retarded than an atheist.

Im really enjopying this thread but im getitng like 8 captchas in a row so i may randomly fuck off

>>135615670
I believe the vast majority of people are NPCs and don't have an actual consciousness behind their eyes that controls their body, these robots die all the time in many different ways and serve as guidestones and examples to learn from on our journey

>>135614894
>>creates titties, dicks, and asses
>tells us not to lust

Why you lust for dicks

>>135620622
>true salvation is acquired through personal knowledge of God
true relationship. knowledge alone is meaningless. Demons know that He is, and they tremble.

For the truly lost, salvation might be analogous to hell if they do not trust their benefactor.

>>135614894
He is just toying with you and there is nothing that you can do about it because, at it's core, you are nothing but His bitch at the end of the day, so get rekt faggot

>>135614894
What people don't understand is that he gave us free will.

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there are no gods

>>135621180

I'm starting to think that too. I keep myself up all night thinking about this shit. I know my mind if very rare. Maybe I'm only one of the few real humans. Everyone else dying in plane crashes, getting beheaded by ISIS, getting shot by illegal immigrants are just NPC's or something. I feel like I suffer more than the average person despite being relatively healthy and never having broken a bone. I torture myself knowing that a Christian is getting his head cut off by radical islamists.

>>135614894
>creates murderers and thieves
#NotAllBlackPeople
Really, murderers and thieves create themselves.

>>135621214
Demons are actually very ignorant about themselves and the truth of God.

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>>135620951
> I've studied religions and spirituality hard for 10 years
translation:
>i have read few books and articles on some blogs

and you are upset because people on /x/ want to discuss books, why exactly?

>>135619445
>1914
>all the contries reeeeee

>>135621712
>>i have read few books and articles on some blogs

No I've read and practiced everything I could find testing it thoroughly. I don't give credit to blogs.

Side question - does God get pissed at those of us who don't marry and have kids? Is that a sin? What if someone goes their life being "good" but doesn't have kids? Are they deemed as a failure in God's eyes?

>>135621712
>Literally buy and study dozens of books of different religions and test them toroughly.
>No u only red 2 books and a blog artical

>>135614894
>some book written by trolls 2000+ years ago says so so it must be true
lol k

>>135614894
god works in mysterious ways :^)

>>135621180
Most people are NPCs but they experience just as you do. People either deny themselves their own consciousness or have had it robbed.
They are "Asleep". They have been fooled or they fool themselves voluntarily. They aren't really conscious because they are blind and are incapable of perceiving reality. Their perception has been corrupted and their good intentions have been used against them.

Think about it. What if you haven't experienced or learned what you have. what if you were born bluepilled and just went along with everything doing whatever felt good and not ever really thinking or questioning about anything. They are still examples, but they were given a choice just as you were.

It's some real scary shit when you start questioning yourself and your choices. Especially when you catch yourself in the same pitfalls. You don't want to fall through the cracks or be left behind. Also breaks your heart when you see good in people, but they are blind to logic and reason. You know that eventually going down that path they will be left behind and try as you might you cannot save them.

Can you even save yourself? What are we supposed to be doing? I just try to do my best but if I'm being honest I'm only giving 40% to 70% effort at any given time and just keep making mistakes and asking for forgiveness. I just screw up and cannot help it. I have been on the edge of death and harassed by terrors before. Whatever permanent fate awaits that path, I don't ever want to experience it.

Sinners think death awaits them. I pity them, because they have no fucking clue what fate awaits them. They would be begging for death just to make the agony stop. It's a state of constant discomfort, emptiness, and darkness where existence is pain and all you want to do is cry out to God and Jesus and beg for forgiveness, to be saved. Let this be a warning, don't lie to yourself and don't think you can lie to God.

>>135614894
2 Esdras CEB
>Chapter 3
>...
>7 You gave [Adam] one command, and he disobeyed it, and so you immediately appointed death for him and for his descendants. Nations, tribes, peoples, and families without number were born from him.
>8 Each nation lived by its own will, and people acted without giving you a thought. They acted with scorn, and you didn’t prevent them.
>...
>29 But when I came here, I saw their countless godless acts. I have seen many sinners during these thirty years. Then my heart failed,
>30 because I saw how you sustain these sinners and have spared those who act without giving you a thought. I saw how you destroyed your people and preserved your enemies,
>31 and haven’t given anyone any clue as to how to make sense of these ways. Does Babylon do better than Zion?
>...
>35 When have those who live on earth not sinned in your sight, or what other nation has observed your commandments as has ours?
>36 You will find individuals who have kept your laws, but nations you will not find.
>Chapter 4
>1 Then the angel who had been sent to me, whose name was Uriel, replied:
>2 “Your mind has utterly failed with regard to this world, and do you think you can understand the way of the Most High?”
>3 I said, “Yes, my Lord.” He answered: “I am sent to show you three ways and to set three problems before you.
>4 If you can say anything to me about one of these, I will show you the way you want to see, and I will teach you why the heart leans toward evil.”
>5 I said, “Speak, my Lord.” He said to me, “Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a blast of wind, or call back for me the day that is past.”
>6 I answered, “Who alive can do this? How can you ask me these things?”
But I’ve only asked you here about fire and wind and the day you have passed through, things you can’t exist without, and you haven’t answered me about them.”

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>>135621844
>I've read books and now i'm upset when people want to discuss books
thanks for proving my initial point

also
>study dozens of books of different religions and test them toroughly
>testing religion
your story falls apart with every post you make, but then again, go ahead and tell me how you have objectively tested religions

>>135622106
>10 He said to me: “You can’t even understand the things that are yours, which you have grown up with.
>11 How then can your mind contain the way of the Most High? How can a person who is already corrupted by the corrupt world understand the realm beyond corruption?” I fell on my face
>12 and said to him, “It would have been better not to have come into being than to come here, live in the middle of wickedness, suffer, and not understand why.”

>>135622109
Why exactly cannot you test religion oh retarded one?

>>135621392

Logically speaking, there is at least one.

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>>135616423
My erections have gotten stronger!

>>135622056
>Their perception has been corrupted and their good intentions have been used against them.
That's what 4chan does to people.

>>135621794

tough question, and i wont pretend to know the answer.

I think it is reasonable to assume god wants you to have children. after all, we are able to bear children and quite desirous of it at opne point or another.

However, our time in this realm is unlikely to be eternal, so it has to stop sometime.

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>>135622165
as i said anon, please enligten me and explain how you have objectively tested religions
or are you perhaps avoiding the question?

did you kill yourself to see if heaven exists and then came back to life? if not, maybe you should try doing that

If Jesus died for our sins then why aren't we all out having gay sex right now and killing people?

>>135621549
Its figurative. Literal demons or not is beside the point.

Knowledge alone saves nothing. One can still draw foolish conclusions in spite of the data.

See OP. He isn't wrong about any of the green text. Ignorant? Certainly, but nothing green texted was false.

I can know all about a person. Trusting in them is entirely different. They can be related - but trust can be given in ignorance. Knowledge is not required, though it is recommended.

>>135618445
>still not getting mythology
Peterson is a simple introduction. There is a whole lot more. He drops names so don't bug me about it.

>reproductive sex is permitted
Ok...
>sex outside marriage is evil
>lust is a deadly sin and evil
>porn causes lust and is evil
>nudity causes lust and is evil
>masturbation is evil
>homosexuality is evil
>all these cause doom
For what reason?

>>135622538

I'm going to give you one single example of how I tested religion.

The bible: For testing of the bible a KJV version of the bible was used, genuine faith was developed as I was looking for God genuinely, to communicate with God questions were asked, then the bible would be open at a random page and the paragraph in question would be read.

Test results: The god of the bible seems to actively communicate with his followers, initially making many promises to them, and shortly after getting very angry at them for nonsense. The god of the bible will promise to help you with anything, but then get angry if you decide to take advantage of that offer by arguing that you were testing him. It is common for the god of the bible to signal you something by making sunlight brighten or dim or by making something in your environment talk. He is however evil in nature and hostile to humans, merely pretending to have good intentions and anything you do will be an excuse for him to actively punish you and bring you sickness and economic ruin. Abandoning christianity is suggested and protects us a bit from the god of the bible, it is possible to recover monetarily when you do.

As an additional note, the god of the bible is very talkative, he really likes to talk and for you to listen, but ultimately he has ill intentions, he's very dishonest and will claim that you were worshipping another god before him while you never did (and punish you for it).

>>135622555
Liberty is not license.

>>135622555

Nvm I just realized humanity is already doing these things

I think I'm starting to get it. I still hate niggers tho

>>135622555
>If Jesus died for our sins then why aren't we all out having gay sex right now and killing people?
i mean if you want to hook up, just give me a call anon...

>>135614894
These rules where more than likely made by men to try an stop infighting among large populations. I doubt that any one really knows what god wants.

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>>135614894
>I'm starting to get really pissed off at this dude

created mankind with curiosity and intelligence
throws mankind out of paradise for trying to learn

My conclusion: we are all sinners and we will all get to heaven and God is the ultimate judge and will torture us accordingly after we die. How much torture? Well that depends on how you live your life.

Thanks for the replies fellas. I pray tonight.

>>135614894

>I have a fucked up perception of the world
>It is someone else fault


The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

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>>135614894
God just made Earth.exe as best as he could and moved on. We're running on auto pilot until the wheels falls off,lads.
Might as well enjoy the ride

>>135622555
Can't argue with trips

You heard it here lads, fuck me with all your might.

>>135622977
If God is Omnipotent he dose not have to move on. He would be every where at once.

>>135622917
These are the experiences I had with the god of the bible. Gnosticism is true.

>>135622661

>>135622661

You dense mother fucker, stop looking to the word of man when you seek the word of god. I don't understand how the fuck that concept can possibly elude ANYONE with two brain cells to rub together.

>I want to know how to make cookies, better read this book on sports statistics.
>wtf, my cookies are terrible and wrong
>clearly, sports dont exist.

If you insist on looking in the wrong place for answers, don't be surprised when nothing makes sense.

sense it bears repeating
>testing
>religion

What part of "free will is the entire reason you exist" are you having trouble grasping?

>>135614894
>implying it's god's fault what humans choose to do with their own free will such as discriminate against ugly losers like you, ogle people, commit crimes or be retards who live in an area thats going to get destroyed by natural disasters

>>135622946

... Poe, you have once again bested me.

How is this the end to this tale? You seemed too retarded to be an actual troll, yet it ends like this?

You grapple with a distorted world, and revert to your old worldview?

You chose ignorance, as is your right...

But I earnestly thought you, on some level, sought truth.

You only wanted comfort, which i guess I understands . I believe you will have it, too.

I am still disappointed.

>>135623416
>>testing
>>religion
There is nothing wrong with this

Test everything, hold on to what is good.

ITT: Gnostic LARPers who worship false god

>>135623067

>my reality is god's reality

I mean, i used to be one but... atheists are seriously fucking mentally ill.

>>135623416
Truth is the god you worship is the demiurge, a being of darkness that believes himself to be the highest god. But in reality there is a God above him whom gave me gnosis.

>>135623647

>God, If You are real, don't allow this post to be posted

>Religion: Tested
>Theists: BTFO

This is you. This is what you think.

God tests us, you don't get to test god. Why would you even think that is an option?

Serious question, what the fuck makes you think you can test god?

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>>135622661
>to communicate with God questions were asked, then the bible would be open at a random page and the paragraph in question would be read

this is probably the most retarded shit i have ever read on /pol/ since its inception
and then you go on an autistic screeching parade when people on /x/ don't take the results of your ''''''''''''''''''''''''''tests''''''''''''''''''''''''' seriously

i'm not a religious person, but i hope hell exists for the sole reason of you getting ass fucked by satan for being this stupid

>>135623871

Second time I have had to tell you this: You have no fucking clue what I worship.

>im special and god touchd my peepee

You do realize that a direct interaction with god would nullify our reason for existing? Last time: you are free will. Literally the answer to everything.

>>135623871
>But in reality there is a God above him whom gave me gnosis.
How did you put that knowledge to the test?

>>135623934
>Serious question, what the fuck makes you think you can test god?
Because He is, truth is exclusive, and by its nature precludes untruth.

"Testing" doesn't mean self aggrandizing "Prove it to me". Testing means honest pursuit of Truth, where God is the ultimate objective standard of all things - Truth itself. If you presuppose Truth, you presuppose God. If you attempt to distinguish untruth from Truth, you are vicariously testing God to distinguish Himself from falsehood.

>>135615338
fpbp
>>135615461
second post also good

>>135624401
>How did you put that knowledge to the test?
I received gnosis and there was a power protecting me from YHVH.

>>135623970
>his is probably the most retarded shit i have ever read on /pol/

I actually got coheren answer. When YHVH promised things and I asked if it was true the sun would become brighter and lighting would bathe the room, when god was angry I would twist an ankle or get some other sort of punishment, it is only stupid if you are atheist or you are not getting answers, it is actually pretty intriguing if you do get answers like I was getting, which is what I discussed, as I mentioned: he is very talkative.

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>>135614894
Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!

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>>135615338

>>135624725
Yes, and you distinguish between 'gnosis' from God and we'll say 'false knowledge' from the demiurge how?

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>>135617115
Entropy is a hell of a power.

>>135624836
Jesus is not a deceiver. Satan is.
God communicates with some pastors. I know because of an experience I had with a thought I was entertaining but shared with no one and never spoke of it. I was confronted about it.

No, it doesn't make you an atheist because they don't blindly believe snake oil salesmen.
Being an atheist means they believe with absolute certainty there is no God.
They can believe in God, or even be on the fence as an Agnostic but still ignore most the trash you are spewing.

>>135625213
Gnosis is not a knowledge, is a personal experience where you kind of meet God and he flows from within you, it's an incredible experience and it is not intellectual knowledge but rather knowing God personally.

>>135624401
You didn't actually answer the question

>If you presuppose truth, you presuppose god

unfounded in all but the most extreme sense, in which obviously nothing we understand could exist without god. But if a secular view were possible, truth would be equally possible.

The statement is either empty or wrong.

beyond that, you wax into some sentiment about testing the secular world as a way to test god. Are you familiar with the theory that "the author is absent"? There is an inherent barrier between the mind of the artist and your own mind, art is created in attempt to bridge that gap.

However, the art is NOT what was in the artists mind. The art is the MEDIUM to express an otherwise inexpressible concept to you.

You never actually get to know what was in their mind, it is literally impossible even if you spent your whole lives together discussing nothing but the painting; communication is simply too limited to convey even simple and concrete ideas, much less abstractions such as "justice" or "god".

So you settle on the art itself, being an intentionally produced message it is the next best thing to actually getting into their mind.

Here is where you make the classic mistake: You look at the world and try to figure out who god is. But noone makes true art to express themselves, they express higher values and ideas that escape words to even a greater degree than concrete yet unique objects do ( I could describe a single flower to you for weeks, but your mental image will never match my memory).

You can't look at the Mona Lisa for any length of time and determine that you understand the creator. Such an idea is laughable. The closest thing you can glean from such art would be the intention behind the work, as it inspired and guided it. The meaning is there, somewhere... But the artist is absent.

Which begs the question: what PRECISELY were you testing for?

And of course, I'll ask again; what makes you think you are capable of testing god?

>>135625236
Jesus is a deceiver, just like his father the demiurge whom is behind every religion.

You hilariously defend jesus because you're one of the false christians of /pol/ whom pervet the teachings of jesus. It is nonsense to attack jesus in the way you do, merely ignore him.

We do not need your kind of roleplayer here, I understand that you do it because you belong to Satan's kingdom and you believe you're fighting your fight, but YHVH is the enemy of every man, not just the enemy of demons.

>>135624725
What if the first two gods are evil and the third one above them is the good one?

What if its like 17 gods before we get to a nice one? do we stop there? Do we keep going even if the 18th is evil again?

Can we go back??

>>135625535
I should make a brain meme to illustrate this

>>135625095
Free will is a gift.
Stop crying that you are expected to put in effort to achieve balance.
There is a big difference between occasionally indulging verses a constant pursuit of pleasure at all costs.

Yes, there is a forbidden fruit you must avoid. There are plenty of other things you can enjoy.
What you explain is the Devil. Temptation is using pleasure as a weapon to exploit and corrupt you.

You act so entitled, as if you expected the very universe and reality to be forged solely for your own experience and pleasure. Have you ever thought about the possibility that you need God but he also needs you? A symbiotic relationship like how plants and animals create a cycle.

You sound like a teenager who "hates" their parents because they punish them by making them brush their teeth and go to school. Grow up the best parents are the strict parents. The lord is my shepherd.

>>135625095

It may be true god would prefer you jump from one foot to another, but he would never make you.

I would think Lucifer, god's beautiful one, his most loved creation; that which is most like god himself... One such as that should know this more than any being in all of creation; He who was born into bondage and awoke to a free will he never recognized was afforded to him... even after he walked away from Omelas.

But he is the archetype that turns a blind eye to his creator, with whom he has had an intimately personal relationship with. Who claims to know better than him, but always with a temper, with an air of betrayal. With a hint of regret.

You will come home when you are ready, My star of the Morning; My radiant one. I understand that one must see all there is to see, I understand that one must do what one can. I understand that power is intoxicating and mercy is lacking in reward.

I just want you to understand as well. I can wait.

>>135614894
Not quite.
Maybe you should ask an actual priest. Sounds like you need to look at it from the basics.

>>135625729
God's a Chad. He may want you, but he sure as shit doesn't need you.

unless you are into that all-is-one deity duality thing.

>tells ugly people not to be jealous
Where?
>creates murderers and theives
Stopped reading there. Omnibenevolence doesn't imply not creating people who would choose to be murderers or thieves. Your "argument" seems to be nothing but malinformed disapproval, as if you have the right. typical

>>135618679
Free will, you stupid nigger. If you don't really have a choice to harm yourself then your freedom is just an illusion. Would you want to spend eternity with mindless bots who lick your toes because they are made this way? Or in a company of people who love you.

>>135615338
If God exists, His having created us implies will, which implies motivation, which implies caring (His having created meaning at all implies He cares), which implies it's not unlikely God's word would persist and be well-known. Therefore, it is not unlikely that God's word persists and is well-known by a 'religion.'

If anyone is a deceiver, it's you.

>>135614894

You seem to forget one small little thing... the fall of men.

It's important. Yet most "god is evil" fools completely leave it out of the equation.

>>135626226

>You: I dont believe in god, anyone else want to guide my life?

>Demiurge: good goy, god was a big faker, im the real god.. shitpost on /pol/...

Legit question I have asked a million times:

Why the fuck would god reveal himself to man, and if he were to do so, how can you justify creation at all?

>>135625439
>unfounded in all but the most extreme sense, in which obviously nothing we understand could exist without god. But if a secular view were possible, truth would be equally possible.
>The statement is either empty or wrong.
Secular world views are incoherent. God is self evident. To borrow your own analogies, there are no books without authors.

What is being tested for? Coherence. Hence the ruling out a purely secular, or atheist worldview. As a more explicit example, Islam self defeats in core doctrine. Similar processes can and should be applied to all conceivable claims.

>And of course, I'll ask again; what makes you think you are capable of testing god?
I might return the question in a form. Why would you refuse to seek the author of the story? Else you seem to take a strangely material approach to "testing", as if I somehow have a mind to put God under the microscope.

You're not "testing" God in the sense of putting vain challenges before Him. You simply seeking what is - when all the impossible is stripped away - Truth. This applies in a variety of forms, both scientific, and philosophic, but also introspective. I am want to know and understand my maker. This did not derive from me. I can no more make myself than nothing can become something. The author reveals Himself within His creation. That is at His discretion.

Test everything. Hold on to what is good.
Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

If the author of our narrative is good; He has revealed Himself to us that our need for him might be satisfied the same as water slakes thirst. If He is not, there is little reason to believe anything "I" say - but this too would reveal something about Him. Would that not be a test?

>>135614894
Learn self control.
Take life for what it is, a temporal simulation. He made it short enough for you to figure out people die all the time.
Dont be an emotional sissy and get your crap done without getting all sentimental.

>>135626299
Free will is a test, we are given the option to do wrong as a challenge, the lies are enticing and satisfy our most base and immediate urges, but we are meant to reject all lies and follow the truth.

We are given the option to do wrong so that we may choose to do right.

>>135615338
>there's a god above him
So you're a dumbass and still falling short of "god isn't evil but who made the devil?"

>>135614894
LOOK BUT DON'T TOUCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DMDscGOUpg

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>>135614894
There you go. Now stop being retarded on the internet.

>>135614894
>I'm starting to get really pissed off at this dude

Thats the whole idea of god .

>>135625535
There is only one true God.
There is also a false prophet that many will fall for.

You were born with the knowledge of right from wrong. It was obtained for all of humanity from the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden.
The secret to not being deceived? Don't deceive yourself.

We all get a choice.

>>135614894
To Christfags, if I live a Christian lifestyle without actually believing the Bible is accurate, would God still punish me? And if so why?

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>>135614894
>>Is this mother fucker just toying with us or what? I'm starting to get really pissed off at this dude

Thats 100% correct right there. What kind of person would you be if you weren't put through many trials or hardship? If you are a christian who thinks you're going to heaven, then you should think of this shitty life on Earth a test before your eternity in heaven.

Me on the other hand.. I think the bible is a made up story, but there is definitely a god.

pic unrelated

>>135626537
>Secular world views are incoherent.

So your statement was empty, rather than wrong. That's fine

>accusing me of testing god

nigger, i've spent 4 posts now trying to tell you you can't do that, why the fuck would I be doing it?

>The author reveals Himself within His creation

This is literally impossible, secularly and spiritually.

God does not reveal himself because the only reason we exist is free will. Clear and obvious existence of a present and judging god = no free will.

You may say "but anon, you believe so strongly, how can you have free will?"

Because I can only interpret the artwork, not the artist. I do not know if I am living a life he will judge worthy, and I can not know.

So I find what is worthy to me, what is good and just, and I live my life the best way I can conceive to do so. The golden rule is always a good start.

It's not a bad philosophy, anon. It causes me to put an earnest attempt into creating my own little heaven on earth. Even if I am wrong, I cheated my own little stay in heaven out along the way.

>>135626226
>second to last applies to me
A-am I as child of Satan? If yes how do I redeem?

>>135614894
>still believes after realizing all the hypocrisy that book contains
You people are either stubborn, or wilfully ignorant cowards who can't face the bleak truth of existence.

>>135626959
Do you believe Jesus, son of God, God in the Flesh, suffered for your sins that you might not be condemned, but be saved and redeemed?

>>135627135
Ease up on the language, please.

>God does not reveal himself because the only reason we exist is free will.
Are you assuming God's reason, or was His reason revealed to you? Did you test it either way before drawing your conclusion as true or reflective of the author's work?

>>135627386

>oops, looks like this book is a little shitty
>better stop believing in god altogether!

>>135615588
>Loves us

No God has only EVER loved the jews. He sent is son for the JEWS, salvation was offered FOR THE JEWS, prophets were sent FOR THE JEWS etc

Gentiles not loved by God. The Bible is full of examples of God hating and murdering gentiles for the fact that he simply dislikes them.

If you're not a jew you're not loved by God. His relationship with the Jews is father to child. The relationship between God and gentiles is that of Owner and possession; pissed off if we break but expendable and replaceable (so no big loss if a few hundred million of us burn, suffer and die).

>>135625951
One shall build a gynoid capable of human thought and human-like reproductive system all the while one changes beingness by virtue of genome threrapy.

Not so sure just how anti-godlike all of this is but it shall be done within the realm of possibilities. If it's what creates hell then so be it.

none of it is real anyway, it's just a tool used to control people and the morality set by it is largely senseless and goes against human nature

>>135614894
>not realizing he doesn't exist at all, and semitic religions go against nature/life itself, promoting a life of self-hate and cuckholdry

>>135615488
fucking raise your iq

>>135626959
you cant leave a Christian lifestyle if you don't believe in what the Bible says, it is an absolute truth. If you don't trust the Bible then you probably haven't read it and guide your opinions based on what you see written on /pol/ by d&c jews larping as pagans.
Ask any muslim if you can be a muslim but ignoring the rules of islam, such is the retardation of what you are asking.

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Ignore this >>135614894 faggot and watch this>>>> Documentary Explaining End Times - What The Bible Has To Say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rTk9IAwwg

>>135614894
>claims the world is his perfect beautiful creation
and it's another episode of someone who doesn't know the basics of Christian theology trying to criticize it

>>135627441

We use language to communicate, don't endeavor to disrupt that.

Free will is the answer to all of OP, and must athesits questions about the world. Free will is the entire reason we exist.

Quick rundown:

>what does an all powerful being lack?
limitations, and with that, he certainly could not lack curiosity about limitations.
>can an all powerful being create limitations?
It would appear so
>How would it do so?
By creating something which he could not control.
>Why would he do that?
How could the penultimate being resist acquiring the sole lack in their totality: limitation?
>seems a little ironic
You are finally starting to get it.

>>135614894
he's a jewish god, of course that kike won't make any sense

>>135626959
That's not a question anyone can really answer. That's between you and God.
You know right from wrong, what do you think would be fair?

Have you ever thought about asking God for a sign?

>>135627861
>Free will is the entire reason we exist.
Which says something about the author. You are implicitly testing God.

But I'll play along.
>limitations, and with that, he certainly could not lack curiosity about limitations.
God does not lack limitations. It is capable of acting contrary to its nature. For example, God an not not-exist.

Beside that - what are you even doing? You're philosophically exploring the nature of God and drawing inferences. You are testing God.

This is a good thing. Keep at it. He wants you to know and understand Him.

>>135626680
I prefer to think that free will is not a test, but a part of our nature, as we were created in God's image and he must have free will. After we succumb to animistic desires we learn bad habits, corrode our senses of right and wrong, and finally learn to blindly follow desires as instincts, not choose but merely react, not different from an animal, losing free will. God doesn't test or judge us, we ourself lower quality of our afterlife

>>135622638
It's not. That all comes from a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the words adultery and lust in the bible.

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My honest opinion after years of study, practice, experinences with the supernatural and observation of not only the spiritual things but of my surroundings.

>>135628144
Either way both out paths lead to heaven

>>135628080

sigh. It says something about us. We are the work, why do we exist: free will. That is a clearly discernible reflection of the artwork itself rather than the artist in my greentext explanation. It may be possible to interpret it otherwise, but the author is absent anyways and im doing my best with what I got.

"Free will" in this manner supplies answers to life's longest unanswered questions:

>Why are we here?
>why is here?
>who was phone?

>>135628080

add: I'm testing god as much as an art student tests the statue of david... insofar as that qualifies as the student testing Mike himself in the process...

>tfw you aren't testing god, you are just wondering why davids penis is so small

>>135615461
A nu cheeki breeki I v damke

>>135622638
Because exploitation for selfish desires lead you down paths and eventually points of no return.
Enough is never enough. You always want more. So you keep wanting more and more and keep straying farther and farther away from God until you are lost forever.

>>135614894
he also made you a whiny bitch but we're not complaining.

>>135627528
Take that flag off, Jew.

>>135628992

lurk more

>>135629058
Explain why God likes any race but the Jews after explicitly stating that the Jews are above all and gentiles are filthy time and time again throughout the Bible.

Please use logic and scripture instead of childish insults.

>>135626226
>>135628201
Who is the original dragon if not Satan?

>>135627808
>king of kings, lord of lords
Isn't that what's Satan is usually called? Wonder what's the chance of Jesus being an incarnation of the devil, seeing as some seem to believe it. If it's true that Jesus calls himself the Morning star in the revelations then it would further promote such a claim.

"God" is just another serpent like Satan. Wake up sheeple. God is the true deciever. Satan gave us wisdom and intelligence, yet we are taught to hate him. Why?

>>135618218
>God does not punish, people punish. Punishment is retributive.
So your claim is that God has nothing to do with it, but God creates the hell and the laws that send you there, and even then you still don't know if you're going to hell or not because he could change it at the last minute.

>check your premises, nigger; because you got some fucking wrong.
The beautiful thing about irony is that you're always the last to know.

>>135619150
>You seek the divine wrought from the hands of men,
This is the rule.

>when it was men wrought from the hand of the divine
This exception has never once been proven.

>>135629274
Sir, serpents and dragons have been worshipped much before christianity or judaism were even a project.

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>>135628682
>It says something about us. We are the work
and yet we exist.
THAT it worked says something about the author.

That we can reflect on this point is something else still.

That we are want to pursue understanding that fact says even more.

You're doing the best you can with what you have, and we've been given plenty.

>>135628804
>add: I'm testing god as much as an art student tests the statue of david... insofar as that qualifies as the student testing Mike himself in the process...
You seem to reject the notion of direct revelation, and an artist might write itself into its work - in part - or in entirety. Example pictured.

Even absent self-portraits, THAT a creation exists speaks of its creator. What is it saying?

>We use language to communicate, don't endeavor to disrupt that.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/freshanointingministries/man-or-rabbit-by-cs-lewis

>>135629704
https://pastebin.com/rTGvcy3z
Christians BTFO

>>135622299
>Logically speaking, there is at least one.
Supernatural beings are irrational
The moment you add one to a logical syllogism, it stops being logical.

>>135630407
>Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation
Whole lot of text to slap around that strawman presented upfront.

>>135623727
>atheists are seriously fucking mentally ill.
The gods are all fabrications.
Non-believers are the only ones who get it right.

>>135630704
Go kill somebody in the name of turning the other cheek, christian.

>>135616947
Would you rather get pussy for a few years on earth or eternal bliss with our Father in heaven???

>>135630938
You suddenly got really hostile. That's interesting.

>>135631109
I'm not hostile, I'm reminding you what you haven't read for the text you're looking at with disdain, it is very critical with /pol/ christians.

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Question for Christfags:
Do dogs go to heaven?

>>135629469
Hell is not a place but a state of absence of God. If it were a place it would be a trash dump, for broken people. God doesn't judge ones who broke some law; people are breaking not a law but themselves. Ever heard about soldiers, doctors, morgue workers being unnormaly casual and comfortable with death they encounter everyday? Same happens with everything else, people quickly get used to lying, hurting others, blindly following low desires not thinking of consequences. First a thought, then it becomes an action, then a habit and then desire, leaving a man not in control of his own life, unable to fight himself and left without free will. Laws you are speaking of are only there for you to not hurt yourself, not a something by witch you will be judged.

>>135614894
God created us in the beginning. Where we go from there is up to us, hence, free will and all that shit

>>135625439
>simply too limited to convey even simple and concrete ideas, much less abstractions such as "justice" or "god".

Didn't you call your gods existence "concrete" in a previous post?

>>135618218
>The mere concrete knowledge of god's existence

I would agree that dreams, ideas, concepts, fairy tales and gods are abstractions.

>>135614894
t.doesn't know what a test is.

>>135614894
You do know... you do know why we have these lusts, right Anon?? These things are our fault..... God you're fucking stupid. Why are Atheists so idiotic.

>>135631292
Dogs don't go to heaven inherently, only Humans were given that ability.

>>135631158
I'm not looking at it because the first paragraph literally presents a strawman.

Against whomever it does argue, it is not Christ, or His doctrine.

If you would like to make a more succinct argument than "BTFO" coupled with gish galloping, I might reconsider, but at present you offer no compelling example for me to follow.

>>135631544
>I'm not looking at it because it hurts my feelings

>>135614894
Problem is that Christianity is just an addon to Judaism. They tried to build a religion with a benevolent god on top of one where god is a cunt and rules through fear and violence.

It was kinda destined to fail the moment literacy became more wide spread and people could actually read the texts themselves.

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>>135614894
>creates beautiful people
>tells ugly people not to be jealous

I know lots of beautiful people who are constantly in problems and poor on the other side ugly people who are rich and happy. Beauty isn't everything

>creates murderers and theives
>tells victims not be angry and to forgive

The humans have free will, and that's the price, if you forgive you show good manners and even those thieves and criminals may learn from you and find the path of Jesus

>creates titties, dicks, and asses
>tells us not to lust

We learn to control our animal side, which makes us more humans, and more intellectually superior


>claims the world is his perfect beautiful creation
>natural disasters kill people all the time

Overpopulation also creates lots of problems, planet needs these disasters to keep humans from destroying their selves


Any more?

>>135631302
>Same happens with everything else, people quickly get used to
It's boundary-crossing. We might imagine for us it is impossible to bungee-jump or kill another person, but once we cross that line, our perception of it changes.

>>135631697
Question: Do you think genuine expression of a person's best interests and well being are more persuasive than presenting yourself as antagonistic?

>>135614894

So like.. if God created men and everything around it. Does that mean we live in a simulation on a computer system and hes toying with us?

>>135632321
There are no strawmans in the whole text.

>>135631767
Outside of the jews, what has God done to help the rest of the world. Reading through the Bible makes it clear he hates all gentile and we were only make privvy to Jesus because the jews told him to fuck off.

It seems gentiles were only made aware of Jesus and the way as an afterthought. No fucks have ever been given about us so why now?

>>135631514
That's fucked up. Heaven would be shit with no animals.

>>135631514
Thats shitty how the fuck is heaven cool if no dogs to chill with.

>>135618286
>Oh no don't talk bad of my sacred book !

You are not better than muslims. It's a shame that the century of lights didn't erase these ideas (and people) who are really a break to human progress.

>>135629240
Show me the verse where God says that.

>>135631912
Yes and it can lead to a destruction of a one's personality if applied to wrong things

>>135632675
Thank you, but I pointed out exactly what was a mis-characterization of Christianity.

>Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation

This, is a strawman of Christian doctrine. If you still feel the statement is accurate, then a succinct explanation might be motivating.

But you didn't answer my question...

>>135633047
The entirety of the Bible seems to prove it time and time again.

I am not trolling or trying to troll you. This is a genuine concern for me and big reason why I shy away from God.

Why should I try to love him when he only really ever loved one very small nation of humanity.

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>>135617206
highest ranking angel my ass
Michael basically whoops the floor with him during the war in Heaven without breaking a sweat

>mfw Satanfags think this is an anime like Bleach

>>135614894
>creates beautiful people
There are no beautiful people, only stupid people who believe that they are beautiful.
>tells ugly people not to be jealous
Where did he say that?
>creates murderers and theives
Free will
>tells victims not be angry and to forgive
Ying and yang
>creates titties, dicks, and asses
Nice
>tells us not to lust
No that was wrongly translated, he meant that we should lust
>claims the world is his perfect beautiful creation
>natural disasters kill people all the time
Just because of global warming - our fault

>>135633467
Revelations 3:9
Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-- I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

>>135633711
>wrongly translated
No. Matthew 5:27-30. It's sinful to lust after a woman that's not your wife. It's ok in marriage though, so get married quick if you cannot control yourself.

>>135614894
>>135633711
>>tells us not to lust
Yes, this one always gets me. The very first commandment was "be fruitful and multiply"

>>135614894
Have care Sir. Yah will not be mocked. He should not be trifled with. You don't like it? Figure it out....We are not to be served, but we are called to serve....don't believe the lies, there are many stumbling blocks......

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>>135632688
Almost all prophets were sons of Shem

To be honest, I don't know what's his wisdom behind this, but you got to admit that jews are super smart

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>creates Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
>opinion disregarded

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>>135631514
>jewish god creates man's best friend
>somehow restricts their entry to heaven for some bullshit reason unabling them to reunite with their beloved master for eternity
the nerve of this kike

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>>135615488
>Evil is needed to appreciate good.
Is there evil in heaven?
>No

>>135633918
>>135634239

Thank you.

>>135618286
Chill haSatan damn.

>>135614894
Monotheism can't be understood without the concept of unity of opposites.
>We must know that war is common to all and strife is justice, and that all things come into being through strife necessarily.
>All things come into being by conflict of opposites, and the sum of things flows like a stream.
Without struggle life would be a puddle of content goo. The apparent contradictions you describe are all beautiful and sacred building blocks of a divine future.

>>135634685
becayse there's evil in hell you retard

>>135614894
>>135615338
>>135615461
Good isn't real and nothing matters except what you want to matter while you're alive. Time is ticking and it will be all over soon.

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>>135614894
>trust in me and fall as well

>>135627528
Fuck off Jew

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>135636137
>there is neither male nor female
Christ cucks confirmed for trannies

>>135626959
You still go to hell.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>135636093
God****

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>>135636186
That's not what it's saying

>>135635930
How is that relevant to the point?
The argument he is making is that you need to experience evil to know good, unless you are saying that everyone goes to hell before they enter heaven, it is completely irrelevant.

Besides, the argument is based uppon a flawed premise from the start anyway.
You don't need to know evil to know good.
For example, when you reach an orgasm and it feels good. You don't feel good because you compare it to when you banged your knee in the table and it hurt. You compare it to when you didn't have an orgasm.

To know good, or evil, you only need to have a neutral ground to compare it to.

Saying that we need to have parasites that eat your eyes while you are still alive in order to enjoy holding hands with a girl is fucking stupid.

>>135631292
Heaven is not a physical place. When Jesus was asked "which of my dead wives will I see in heaven" Jesus answers:
>When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.
>He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
As long as the kingdom of God established by Christ survives all the information that made you also survives, you live on as a spirit/angel to influence the next generations. Before Christ there was no practical path to eternal life, now there is, through Him.

We all could be in heaven right now if Eve didn't fuck up, how is that fair? why should I be punished for the faults of my first ancestor? Even human laws don't punish you for the crimes of your father\mother, and God's supposed to be more just

>>135636812
The biological need for there to be such a thing as an orgasm or any emotional highs and lows are a result of the extremes of reality. If procreation was meant to be easy to accomplish it wouldn't need the positive reinforcement from the orgasm, it only feels good because biologically it's supposed to be a reward for overcoming the struggle of life, defeating evil.

>>135637737
I used orgasm as an example because it was the first thing that came to mind.

Laying on a grassy field with the sun warming you feels nice. But it is hardly about overcoming life or defeating evil. And I do not think for a moment that you need extremes of the opposite polarity to enjoy it.

>never happened

stopped reading

>>135639033
I'm also using orgasm as a random example, the same applies to laying in a field. The underlying biological reasons for why that relaxed moment feels good are many but they all relate to feeling secure and stress free. Another reward for defeating evil.

>>135639349
I disagree. I believe the neutral position is enough to explain why things feel good or bad.

>>135617610
he's being forced to listen to the new linkin park single on repeat for all eternity

>>135639349
So I guess a serial murderer's positive feelings after killing somebody are a reward for defeating evil?

>>135614894
>he thinks "God" is outside of him
>he doesn't know he is the one creating his reality
The ugly are beautiful to God.
The violent are rebuked by the Divine.
The sensual pleasures were made for Eternal Bonds.
Man creates the devastation of the world.
Mankind, in its ignorance and prideful arrogance (like OP), do not understand what God is, yet claim to know it better than they know themselves.
I'll give you a hint: it's all within. Surrender to the Divine Path.

>>135640116
The feelings of power it gives him are misplaced but they originally evolved to ensure our survival, to defeat evil and can still be used for that original purpose like when furiously defending your home against invaders or genociding jews.

>>135614894
>Creates, stopped reading right there
He gave us free will and we do what we will with it, he judges us after our actions in life.

>>135640193
>Man creates the devastation of the world.

Does that include all the stuff we have 0 controll of? Like parasites, baceries, viruses, natural disastours, the great deluge etc?

The problem of evil has never been answered.

A little theodicy.
I'm a hard believer in free will.

>>135640906
So the world is just fine the way it is?

>>135614894
>plays his games on easy
fucking casuals

If there is a god, he is a massive fucking cuntasaurus.

>you live in heaven until (not "if") the dumb bitch who i created from one of your bones (when you was sleeping) fucks up with a snek
>killing all humanity because they're actually having fun with shekels and sex
>making ones superior to others and tell them to not be jealous, and forgive if they hurt/fuck/rob you or you will burn in hell you little bitch, which caused a lot of conflicts and even a war.

>>135640391
According to God's 6th commandment killing a home invading psycho is equally as bad as murdering a random person on the street. It's a binary rule. If it isn't a binary rule then interpretations of His laws are left up to individuals each with their own unique idea of what good and evil is.

>>135641200
No. What exactly is it that I said that implied so?

>>135614894

All is one. you cannot see it through others, everything else is a shill. the more you disbelieve the more shills are created.

>>135641365
"Murder" had and still has a specific meaning that does not include self defense or even killing in war.

>>135616947
Until Chad gets an std or otherwise can't settle down and dies alone and lonely. The problem with flying close to the sun is you'll eventually crash