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>>135594236
>From the pastebin Beauty of Creation

This is an ever-growing list of videos, stories, and images of all creation, life, and the world. Enjoy them as they are, despite the small list we're starting with. Feel free to recommend additions to the list on Catholic or Christian Generals.

>Earth Fly-By, thanks to the International Space Station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tHqov_UHYA
>Symphony of Science playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc&list=PLB851C39AD031B643
>The Earthporn website
http://earthporn.org/

>From the pastebin Tales of Love and Virtue

This is an ever-growing list of videos and stories that touching, sweet, and relevant to Catholic Generals as they are all triumphs of love and/or the human experience. While many would refer to some of these videos as "sad", we cannot forget that these tales are all about love in the face of struggle and the victory despite of it. Feel free to recommend additions to the list on Catholic or Christian Generals.

The church carries with it the greatest of human stories in its 2000-year-old history: The story of the saints, the champions and role models of the Christian faith. This first section will be on them and the second will be other links.

>Saints of the Orthodox Church playlist (shared by the Catholic Chuch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVX1HOxrDcw&list=PL0AwxAWi5VQ33OaRuyXmi1mlpmSggxp7V
>CCTN's Discovering Our Saints
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzAedYHtwg&list=PLDDDABC497B5B4E93
>Mini-Saint Encyclopedia ran by Catholic Online
http://www.catholic.org/saints/

>Other

>Thai Insurance Commercial Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=632CHpeHYZE&list=PLMt780CWP13md-G-vmF2t-Aq2QqcmRn6A
>Wisdom Commons website
http://www.wisdomcommons.org/virtue/153-virtue/lifestories

Friendly reminder that the inner circle of catholicism ain't what they say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSHenSfLh2s

That being said their songs in latin are quite nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiM9uJIN64g

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Christian music list. The first list is modern music, the second is hymnals and more traditional music. Feel free to recommend additions on Catholic and Christian Generals.

>Marvin Gaye's "God is Love"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA7C815I104
>Woven Hand's "My Russia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbUXbMn2zfc
>Woven Hand's "Consecration"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwCK8pFZ0M
>Om's Pilgrimage Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK6wJUNirbs
>Sufjan Steven's "No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1s_3CF07k
>mewithoutyou - Sun and Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mor7syiTSE
>Young Oceans - ONLY YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imEvd1ck4fs
>Bobby McFerrin's Joshua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DRketdk07o
>Psalter's Lord's Prayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rT8YVJERk
>Janelle Monae's Victory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ6wkOO_MEA
>Johnny Cash's God's Gonna Cut You Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA
>Nick Drake - Pink Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbWMvQwroo
>Mary Lou Williams - Anima Christi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fv14RFfRLA
>Dr. C.J. Johnson's "You Better Run"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchmhIdZgys
>Judee Sill's Heart Food
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI7sOZQaSkI
>Dave Bixby's "Free Indeed"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHBGRr2XDE
>The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus' "Beauty After the Fall"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcbJFvje29A
>Podnieś Mnie Jezu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbhIHF3SHm0
>Baba Yetu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>Audrey Assad's "Restless"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuhYZrn4flo

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>>135594987
Traditional Music

>Veni Veni Emmanuel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRi1GDoaQu4
>Agni Parthene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>Je Nai Nan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1lxH7s3Cw
>Come Now Font of Every Blessing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bSlS6OWTs
>A nice collection of South Pacific Island hymns from the movie The Thin Red Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A1Z5CEXDM4
>Hail Mary in Latin, done in song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNVhFA_X3I
>Hallelujah Chorus done suddenly in the public
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU
>Heyr himna smiður
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0
>Jezu Chryste Panie Miły
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dymL1-ckMwg
>Ludu mój ludu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZo6JesM_E
>Cидить Mикoлaй y кoнeць cтoлa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGwaO0ZVzM
>Fiez-vous en lui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCl6ylgwCU
>Mass in D major, Op.123 "Missa solemnis"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFor50sjEaw
>Krzyżu Święty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlIG5gNa-Oo
>Taize Alleluia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-jOgH0PP2I
>O Dniu Radosny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MROPDOKkKd0
>Dies Irae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0
>Deum Verum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5AohCMX0U
>NON NOBIS DOMINE, SED NOMINI TUO DA GLORIAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb9ro4IQqi8

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For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities.


When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus. Pope Gregory I, ruling from 590–604, is usually considered the first bishop to truly wield papal authority.

Catholics are worse than atheists.
Sola Fide, motherfuckers.

>>135594236

Why do you keep coming here when this place is a haven of godlessness, vanity, pride, willful ignorance, etc.?

The highest aim of the people here is to tear one another down and exploit insecurities. Long ago you ought to have kicked the dust off your feet from this place.

>>135594236
Protestant here, what's the deal with saints?

>>135594236
I give this thread 23 minutes until it turns to shit by pagans, starting NOW.

>>135595463
Where better to be than among lost souls? If the name of the game is spreading the good word, it makes sense

>>135594236
>17th Sunday in Ordinary Time

I think you mean 8th Sunday after Pentecost, fix yourself

>>135595463

Preaching to the choir gets stale. Where better to spread the word, than where you can save someone?

>>135595684
/nu evangelization?

>>135595478

Christian role models. Bordering on idol worship depending on your views I suppose.

>>135596080
ie /pol/ circa 2011
;)

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>>135595625
I am already prepping my Hanazuki folder for the inevitable fedorafag and LARPagan shitstorm.

I can't stop masturbating, and I need help

I'm not really sure who else to turn to, so i've come here

>>135594909
In your opinion, Anon

>>135596264

Try lighting some candles in the evening. Helps me from wanting to rape myself somehow. Maybe it will have the same effect on you.

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>>135594236
Sola fide and fuck current pope last pope was cool

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>>135595309
>Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

At best you can argue for an application of pagan civil practices. Nothing liturgical and nothing doctrinal. Such civil practices ultimately do not matter on any scale as meaning behind them is entirely changed.

And I don't know about Constantine's history. His wife and he were very involved in theology, I know that, but I doubt he kept pagan beliefs.


>When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

The title Pontifex Maximus is an old Roman title for the highest office in the state religion. It's very obvious that this became the thing for Christianity when it became the state religion.

>>135596264
kek
its an addiction like all others so just attempt to change your habitat / behaviour to not induce "triggers" that will lead to the desire
also being here doesnt help at all
I would say consider /news/ but this is another addiction and as such is a matter of taste
whenever you get the urge, try and delay a few minutes
repeat until you can go long stretches
also rearrange your room or computer, triggers and all

>>135596466
kek

Ends up one of my ancestors was a Crusader who died fighting in the Holy Land and was buried there. Funny thing is I don't attend church and my family has been Protestant since pretty much the Reformation.

>>135596466
>>135596264

You guys need to study salvation alittle and jesus is nnot watching you wack off

>>135596511
Soli deo Gloria !

>>135595478
Death doesn't shatter the unity of the Body of Christ.

The Book of James says that the prayer of a holy man (eg Elijah) has great effect. We ask those in heaven, as holy people , to pray with us and for us, just as we ask prayer partners on Earth.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints
https://www.fisheaters.com/saints.html
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-intercession-of-the-saints

>>135596286

What's my opinion? That the song I posted is quite nice? Or that walter veith is right in his argument that catholicism is satanic at the upper echelons? He sure makes a compelling case and yeah I suppose you are right in that it is my opinion that he is correct.

Down with the papists!

>>135596583

Can you give me a basic rundown of the justification for Rome being vicar of Christ apart from Matthew 16:18?

>>135596722
Soli Deo gloria is a Latin term for Glory to God alone. It has been used by artists like Johann Sebastian Bach, George Frideric Handel, and Christoph Graupner to signify that the work was produced for the sake of praising God german prodestants used that

>>135596643
Thanks, i'll try that out

>>135596713
I just want to live a better life

>>135596264
Pray the Rosary daily instead. Our Lady promised "it will destroy vice." http://www.how-to-pray-the-rosary-everyday.com/victory-over-vice.html
It really works.
If not baptized, be baptized. If baptized, go to confession and make a firm purpose of amendment.

>>135596713

I never said he did brah. But if this dude wants to quit jerking it I am not one to not offer what meager advice I have.

>>135597005
Your just going to become subconsciously sexually repressed and turn into a weirdo get married use wife to wack off lol

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>>135595376
The modern atheists now are much in debt of Protestants for their views.

>>135595463
I do not care for gated communities and I definitely do not care for Reddit. I come to help those I can in the most effective way I can when not doing my own stuff and at home.

>you ought to have given up on them

lolno

>>135595478
Saints are a name for people in Heaven, and sometime a title for people who are good enough to be in Heaven.
Saints canonized (declared saints by the church) are those declared by the church teaching authority to be in Heaven are generally seen as Christian role models. Do tell me if you don't know what I mean by "church teaching authority" however.

>>135595625
Bring it.

>>135596080
I chortled.

>>135596850
Peter as chief of the Apostles is all through the Gospels, but consider the end of John when our Lord, in the presence of thebother apostles, appoints Peter to shepherd His flock.

Or Luke 22, then Jesus says to the apostles that Satan desires to destroy you (pl) and then to Peter "I have prayed for you (sg) and when you have turned, strengthen thy brethren."

Peter is known to have led the Church at Rome and the early Church acknowledged Rome's supremacy on that basis. Check the decrees of the council of Constantinople.

>>135596728

Would that be the same James who was the brother to Jesus?

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/pol/ you must elect me antipope. We will take back the holy land

>>135596728

Right, and this is why Catholicism starts to look polytheistic to outside observers. It's like the Greeks and Romans--every little thing has its own supernatural being.

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>>135594236
Bump

>>135594236
Good readings today. Really liked the one about Solomon.

>>135597301

>Saints are a name for people in Heaven, and sometime a title for people who are good enough to be in Heaven.
Saints canonized (declared saints by the church) are those declared by the church teaching authority to be in Heaven are generally seen as Christian role models.

Do explain church teaching authority tho. To me it just looks like the church takes it upon themselves to god's job in deciding who gets to heaven and who doesn't.

>>135595625
Yes

I was wrong

look up the god baldr and look at the comparisons between him and jesus

>>135597463
Brother of Jesus in a sense, yes. Not a child from sexual union of St. Joseph and Theotokos.

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Praise & bump.

>>135597907
It's Sunday night. The /nupol/ pagans are all busy torrenting the latest game of thrones episode

>>135597463
>implying
https://www.fisheaters.com/mary.html >Matthew 27: 55-56 tells us of three women at the Cross: "And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children."

>Mark 15:40 tells us of the three women there, "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome."

>John 19:25 is the most inclusive, telling us of four women's presence, "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." (Note here the reference to Mary's "sister" who's named Mary!)

Find me a source who affirmed Mary had other children or that Jesus had blood brothers before Loser and Calvin.

>>135597301

And the whole sainthood deal is an extra revenue stream for the Church--you can only sell so many Pietas and Passions, and the panoply of saints increases your product line substantially. It helps, too, because you're effectively ensuring that everyone has a mascot in the sky--someone with whom you can have a more personal connection.

JPII's sainthood was just a publicity stunt--it went against the longstanding procedures for canonization, etc., but the Church was in a tailspin and needed some good PR.

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>>135595309
But Christ himself is a syncretism of previous death-rebirth deities, it only makes sense that other pagan elements would eventually be incorporated into the religion.

>>135598129
>/nupol/ pagans...busy torrenting
Spot on. I at least feel bad when I commit sins. They take pride in them.

>>135598098

Would it really be so bad if they'd had a kid of their own?

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>>135598405
false, and ZEITGEIST. True Death adn ressurection gods occur well into the late Roman empire, long after Christianity, otherwise the god truly dies and never comes back to the land of the living (like Osiris) or they never really died (persephone) they're just "visiting"

>>135598405
>evangelicals really are this retarded

Hey guys, is Christianity the real deal? I wish I could believe...

>>135594236
Lutheran here to laugh at you, glad I wasn't disappointed

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AVE MARIA!

>>135599295
Catholicism is the real deal.

Protestantism is an heretical shit tier meme.

Went to my first catholic mass yesterday. I now have no doubt that Christ is present during communion/eucharist. I urge all to try and know the living God.

For the anon in the last thread, sorry about the script, it wasn't finished or fomatted properly. Here goes.

>>135599454
CUT TO:
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.

2.


CIA MAN
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA.""
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

DRIVER
"He wasn't alone.""
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

CIA MAN
"You don't get to bring friends.""

DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)
"They are not my friends.""

DRIVER
"Don't worry, no charge for them.""

CIA MAN
"Why would I want them?"

DRIVER
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

CIA MAN (EXCITED)
"Bane?"
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

CIA MAN
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

CIA MAN
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

>>135594236
horus jesus and balder are born from the main god of their religion. they also all personify the sun and its cycle of death and rebirth. both jesus and baldr died by spear and had objects hurled at them(beaten-ed) before hand. and they are also both called the light of the world (or something similar), and symbolized purity.

3.

Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

CIA MAN

"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)

"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

CIA MAN
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"

The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

CIA MAN
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"


The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

CIA MAN
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"

THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."

CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.

CIA MAN
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"

THIRD PRISONER
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."

CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.

4.

BANE
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."

CIA MAN (FASCINATED)
"If I pull this off, will you die?"

BANE
"It would be extremely painful."

CIA MAN
"You're a big guy -"

BANE
"For you."

CIA MAN (UNNERVED)
"Was being caught part of your plan?"

BANE
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

DR. PAVEL
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

CIA MAN
"Why not just ask him?"

BANE
"He would not have told us."

CIA MAN
"You have methods."

BANE
"Him, I need healthy. You present no
such problem."
CIA Man laughs for the Special Forces' benefit. A heavy bass
tone is rising. The Sergeant looks out the window.


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The commuter plane is dwarfed by a massive transport plane
looming over it, dangerously close...

5.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The plane lurches. The noise is building.

SERGEANT
"Sir?"

CIA MAN
"Well congratulations, you got
yourselves caught. What's the next
step of your master plan?"

BANE
"Crashing this plane..."


EXT. MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

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>>135596264
Keep hobbies. Busy yourself. Do not be tempted from porn.
Most importantly, understand the sin as contemptible. It is very often that people still cherish or have good memories of a sin and only reject them reluctantly. Sin begins in the heart. Just because it does not manifest in your actions blatantly does not mean you do not sin. And do not get me wrong, I know this is difficult as the habit comes from accommodating your own natural urges. However, just as people fall to pornography through lacking the rational discipline over their natural urges and begin to selfishly treat sexual acts and bodies without due dignity to the people, masturbation comes about from a lack of rational discipline over yourself as well so to selfishly abuse your organs meant for a self-giving with another. Work on yourself and remember that. It is always a battle you will win as long as you are willing to try.

>>135596850
I think >>135597361 does a fine job.

>Do explain church teaching authority tho. To me it just looks like the church takes it upon themselves to god's job in deciding who gets to heaven and who doesn't.

I gave a rundown to people here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/121428888/#121475988

>>135598398
>And the whole sainthood deal is an extra revenue stream for the Church--you can only sell so many Pietas and Passions

The idea of sainthhood came about while they were still extremely small and marginalized. It makes no sense to argue that part of the canonization process is being lucrative.

I know nothing of JP2's canonization so I can't speak of that, I apologize.

>>135598405
Zeitgeist was debunked for almost a decade, m8. Dn't believe it.

>>135599384
k, get back to us when you want to discuss your heresies and the shit your denomination caused to Europe.

The ramp of the transport opens... Four men leap out on
tethers - dropping towards the commuter plane, two each
side...

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Special Forces react to the turbulence from the plane
above. CIA Man looks at Bane.

BANE (RISING)
"With no survivors."
A Special Forces soldier spins around - an Armed Man is
outside the window. Bang -


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

Two men shoot through the windows, the other two attach
grapples to the fuselage - give the thumbs up - hoists start
to pull and the tail of the commuter plane is lifted,
unnaturally.

INT. COCKPIT, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Pilots battle the controls as the plane tilts forward.

6.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Like lightning, Bane has the CIA Man is his handcuffed arms,
legs wrapped around a seat back, The entire cabin upends.
Tumbling chaos - Soldiers falling - Bane cracks CIA Man's
neck and drops him onto the Sergeant - they tumble down the
plane, smashing into the cockpit door with a terminal thud.
Dr. Pavel, strapped in, pushes against the seat in front of
him - the plane vibrates, trying to tear itself apart.

EXT. ATLAS MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The men climb the tail of the smaller plane as it dangles
helplessly above the mountains. Its wings shear off.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Bane breaks his handcuffs as if they were plastic, then
opens his legs and drops down the cabin, somersaulting
gracefully and using his arms to stop himself halfway down,
by Dr. Pavel.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The men attach explosives to the tail, then jump away,
swinging out as the tail explodes.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

An explosion takes off the rear door of the cabin - the
Armed Men drop through the smoke on cables.
A body bag is lowered into the cabin. Bane lies it on the
seat backs next to Dr. Pavel and unzips it to reveal a body
the same age and build as Dr. Pavel.

Bane rips Dr. Pavel's sleeve - pulls out a length of
surgical tubing - pushes a needle into Dr. Pavel's arm -
runs the tube to the body's arm... Dr. Pavel watches,
horrified, as Bane starts compressions on the body's chest,
drawing Dr. Pavel's blood across the tube and into the
body...

An Armed Man pulls Hooded Man 1 up through the cabin and
out. Bane stops Hooded Man 2.

7.

BANE
"Friend. They expect one of us in
the wreckage."
The man nods, unhooks himself, takes Bane's arm.

HOODED MAN 2
"Have we started the fire?"

BANE (NODS)
"The fire rises."
Hooded Man 2 hands Bane his line. Bane clips it around Dr.
Pavel, takes out a knife and cuts Dr. Pavel's seat belt. Dr.
Pavel panics, flails. Bane takes his arms. Gentle.

BANE
"Calm, Doctor. Now is not time for
fear..."
Bane slides Dr. Pavel out of his seat. They hang in the
vertical, windblown cabin. Bane takes out a detonator.

BANE
"That comes later."
Bane presses the detonator - the cabin drops from around
them, revealing the terrifying drop to the peaks below. Dr.
Pavel screams as they are hoisted up towards the transport.

>>135598991
>True Death adn ressurection gods occur well into the late Roman empire, long after Christianity
The myth of Tammuz predates Christianity by many centuries. In the myth, Tammuz dies and spends half the year in the underworld, being reborn and spending the other half in the world of the living.

>otherwise the god truly dies and never comes back to the land of the living (like Osiris)
Osiris dies and is reborn, but stays in the underworld to rule over the dead.

None of this is from Zeitgeist, by the way.

>>135599071
I'm not evangelical.

>>135599425

I'll agree that you catholics have huge balls, how you dare to blaspheme like that in a christian thread I don't understand. Sola fide, argue against it please.

Oh shit, there were a couple messed up double quotes in the first section.
Really sorry, let me try again.

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>>135599521
Zeitgeist's bullshit has been debunked for almost a decade. Do not bother with it.

>>135599454
>>135599495
Well fuck >>135595625 said you'd be here sooner. You're twice as late as he expected. What the hell, man.

CUT TO:
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.

2.


CIA MAN
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA."
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

DRIVER
"He wasn't alone."
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

CIA MAN
"You don't get to bring friends."

DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)
"They are not my friends."

DRIVER
"Don't worry, no charge for them."

CIA MAN
"Why would I want them?"

DRIVER
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

CIA MAN (EXCITED)
"Bane?"
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

CIA MAN
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

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Abortion is wro---

CIA MAN
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

3.

Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

CIA MAN

"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)

"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

CIA MAN
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"

The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

CIA MAN
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"


The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

CIA MAN
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"

THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."

CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.

CIA MAN
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"

THIRD PRISONER
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."

>>135598073
The earliest written sources for anything Norse are centuries after the time of the Bible and written by Christians. Any parallels are either actual coincidence or run from Jesus to Baldr, not the other way around.

>>135599839
lol I'm not pagan, just helping out some anon who asked me to finish the script last time

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>>135599521
Just stop

>>135599849
Those things aren't human.

CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.

4.

BANE
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."

CIA MAN (FASCINATED)
"If I pull this off, will you die?"

BANE
"It would be extremely painful."

CIA MAN
"You're a big guy -"

BANE
"For you."

CIA MAN (UNNERVED)
"Was being caught part of your plan?"

BANE
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

DR. PAVEL
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

CIA MAN
"Why not just ask him?"

BANE
"He would not have told us."

CIA MAN
"You have methods."

BANE
"Him, I need healthy. You present no
such problem."
CIA Man laughs for the Special Forces' benefit. A heavy bass
tone is rising. The Sergeant looks out the window.


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The commuter plane is dwarfed by a massive transport plane
looming over it, dangerously close...

5.


INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The plane lurches. The noise is building.

SERGEANT
"Sir?"

>>135599623
>>135599839
Zeitgeist made a lot of random connections that aren't supported by archaeology, but that doesn't invalidate comparative religion. Christianity was definitely influenced by earlier myths, no story is completely new.

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>>135599948
>I'm not pagan

It's a sin to lie, Anon.

CIA MAN
"Well congratulations, you got
yourselves caught. What's the next
step of your master plan?"

BANE
"Crashing this plane..."


EXT. MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS


The ramp of the transport opens... Four men leap out on
tethers - dropping towards the commuter plane, two each
side...

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Special Forces react to the turbulence from the plane
above. CIA Man looks at Bane.

BANE (RISING)
"With no survivors."
A Special Forces soldier spins around - an Armed Man is
outside the window. Bang -


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

Two men shoot through the windows, the other two attach
grapples to the fuselage - give the thumbs up - hoists start
to pull and the tail of the commuter plane is lifted,
unnaturally.

INT. COCKPIT, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Pilots battle the controls as the plane tilts forward.

6.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Like lightning, Bane has the CIA Man is his handcuffed arms,
legs wrapped around a seat back, The entire cabin upends.
Tumbling chaos - Soldiers falling - Bane cracks CIA Man's
neck and drops him onto the Sergeant - they tumble down the
plane, smashing into the cockpit door with a terminal thud.
Dr. Pavel, strapped in, pushes against the seat in front of
him - the plane vibrates, trying to tear itself apart.

>>135600052
pagans are gay m8
>It's a sin to lie, Anon.
>it's true, my mommy says that to me e-v-e-r-y night

>>135600041
No story being completely new doesn't mean that one influenced one another. In fact, nothing shows this to be the case at all.

EXT. ATLAS MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The men climb the tail of the smaller plane as it dangles
helplessly above the mountains. Its wings shear off.


INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Bane breaks his handcuffs as if they were plastic, then
opens his legs and drops down the cabin, somersaulting
gracefully and using his arms to stop himself halfway down,
by Dr. Pavel.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The men attach explosives to the tail, then jump away,
swinging out as the tail explodes.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

An explosion takes off the rear door of the cabin - the
Armed Men drop through the smoke on cables.
A body bag is lowered into the cabin. Bane lies it on the
seat backs next to Dr. Pavel and unzips it to reveal a body
the same age and build as Dr. Pavel.

Bane rips Dr. Pavel's sleeve - pulls out a length of
surgical tubing - pushes a needle into Dr. Pavel's arm -
runs the tube to the body's arm... Dr. Pavel watches,
horrified, as Bane starts compressions on the body's chest,
drawing Dr. Pavel's blood across the tube and into the
body...

An Armed Man pulls Hooded Man 1 up through the cabin and
out. Bane stops Hooded Man 2.

7.

BANE
"Friend. They expect one of us in
the wreckage."
The man nods, unhooks himself, takes Bane's arm.

HOODED MAN 2
"Have we started the fire?"

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BANE (NODS)
"The fire rises."
Hooded Man 2 hands Bane his line. Bane clips it around Dr.
Pavel, takes out a knife and cuts Dr. Pavel's seat belt. Dr.
Pavel panics, flails. Bane takes his arms. Gentle.

BANE
"Calm, Doctor. Now is not time for
fear..."
Bane slides Dr. Pavel out of his seat. They hang in the
vertical, windblown cabin. Bane takes out a detonator.

BANE
"That comes later."
Bane presses the detonator - the cabin drops from around
them, revealing the terrifying drop to the peaks below. Dr.
Pavel screams as they are hoisted up towards the transport.

>>135600166
Do some research on the older myths I mentioned if you haven't already. Christianity (and Judaism even) inherited a lot from them.

>>135599784
>justified by faith alone
>James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
>not by

>Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
>Judged by what they had done.

The only place in Scripture it says "faith alone" it says "a man is not justified by."

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A famous spot in France, St Etienne abandoned church. A beautiful but sad picture.

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LATIN/GREGORIAN CHANTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv_2x6JmuaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGnmlg2Ww0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI4lkqYzJvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bvwzeuyx4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5AohCMX0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxjYWvF5ttc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhP654dN3Ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ych_dTX8G0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGgB0bf2PHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX9xVnHYFAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sieHX3tPeRw&t=123s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX9bYNK5oC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_gaT-tnpKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5mx5o8YYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70YDpSo2MRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Ekot38tV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IxYXGfdGcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf3scPRLGFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKpexxzR4Ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6JJCaf9e7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMQu5LXaeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dV5b8AuLHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhRzdiCk7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRi1GDoaQu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_8Nrx-67EY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74d3gWJOV-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkdtYIPN9ic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU4ycRzwqDc [
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQ4F9Xd45w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc - 1.5x speed is recomended by anon.

Holy shit, I'm in a really Bane mood now.
That script stirs up something deep in me.
Let's have a Dark Night Rises appreciation thread.

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3A-lJQlrmk

Glad to see us together in hell

>>135600166
Isn't it pretty much universally agreed on that Judaism and Christianity took a ton of influence from the Zoroastrians?

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>>135600372
Oh fuck forgot image.
The fire rises.

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Christopher Nolan is a God.

>>135600372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTl80wZv8YE

thank you catholic bros. made a post in a catholic general a while back saying i was raised catholic but fell away from it because of all the corruption and scandals and pedophilia at my church, but some anon in one of these threads guided me back to it because of the church's authority, and i'm back strong in my catholic faith. thanks bruddas

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Crashing these weights...

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>>135600547
WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>135599958
He is 100% correct.

The jesus myth also steals from dionysus (drinking parties, water to wine) jews steal everything

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desh desh, basar, basr...

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DESH desh, BASAR, basar...

I'm feeling called to the priesthood. Anyone else trying to discern a vocation? Any stories about going to seminary?

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>>135600279
>Christianity (and Judaism even) inherited a lot from them.

This is where the jump you never defend actually comes about.

>Romans celebrate Saturnalia at the end of December (17th-23rd)
>Christians celebrate Christmas at the end of December (25th)
>there are some lay holidays practices adopted in Roman areas when Rome became Christian
>Christmas was influenced by Saturnalia!

or

>Rome has a sun god (Sol Invictus)
>Christianity has a central figure that is the son of God
>lol sun/son pun despite the similarity only existed in languages not used by them then
>Christianity was influenced by Pagan Rome!

Granted I know you aren't making the two examples listed but it's an example of the stupidity. Just because I had a story doesn't mean it existing elsewhere comes about from me before it. You never defend this. You just point to similarities and speculate the rest, as vague as the similarities actually are in reference to Jesus.

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DESHI DESHI BASAR, BASAR
DESHI DESHI BASAR, BASAR
DESHI DESHI BASAR, BASAR
BWooomp...

We must rise, and face them.
Evil will know no other competitor.

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>>135599690
. The Chaldeans did not believe in ressurection. Ishtars was closer than Tammuz's to be honest but being turned into a literal steak in the underworld doen't count. Tammuz comes back as a ghost like entity to meet Ishtar in their star crossed lover fate. He is never considered to actually come back from the dead

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We know no masters, other than justice.

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Evil may be as innocuous as a man, assertively standing, with a dark blue jacket, blue collared shirt, and tan pants.
But don't be rused.
He is "genital framing".

>>135599910
-.-' no proof that's how it actually is? and that doesnt discount horus..
>>135599839 what does that even mean? doesnt sound like an arguement

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>>135600973
I'm a seminarian, AMA

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"I'm CIA, whatddaboutit?"

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U U
U U

>>135600422
Judaism was also heavily influenced by the Babylonian religion during the exile (see the Genesis and Enuma Elish comparison).

>>135601093
Yeah, I'm not making those points because they are inaccurate. There are correlations between solar religions and festivals during the Roman empire and Christianity, but they were incorporated out of convenience and didn't really influence the construction of Christ's character, unlike the death-rebirth myths.

>>135601289
>He is never considered to actually come back from the dead
He literally comes back from the dead every year as a metaphor for the cycle of vegetation, anon.

>Finally, Inanna relents and changes her decree thereby restoring her husband Dumuzi to life; an arrangement is made by which Geshtinana will take Dumuzid's place in Kur for six months of the year: "You (Dumuzi), half the year. Your sister (Geštinanna), half the year!" This newly recovered final line upset Samuel Noah Kramer's former interpretation, as he allowed: "my conclusion that Dumuzi dies and "stays dead" forever (cf e.g. Mythologies of the Ancient World p. 10) was quite erroneous: Dumuzi according to the Sumerian mythographers rises from the dead annually and, after staying on earth for half the year, descends to the Nether World for the other half".

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>>135601555
Checked

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Bane PENETRATED his VIRGIN bootyhole, eg, his cave of evil.

>>135601555
How often do you participate in gay orgies at the seminary?

guys guys I'm really sorry.
I forgot to add a space

CUT TO:
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.


2.


CIA MAN
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA."
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

DRIVER
"He wasn't alone."
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

CIA MAN
"You don't get to bring friends."

DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)
"They are not my friends."

DRIVER
"Don't worry, no charge for them."

CIA MAN
"Why would I want them?"

DRIVER
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

CIA MAN (EXCITED)
"Bane?"
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

CIA MAN
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

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>>135601668
No they mourn over his death during the summertime, during growth season. He's the non hellenic version of Adonis and that should tell you alot about what plants he was associated with, which is not regenerative plants

The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

CIA MAN
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

3.

Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

CIA MAN

"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)

"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

CIA MAN
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"

The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

CIA MAN
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"


The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

CIA MAN
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"

THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."

CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.

CIA MAN
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"

THIRD PRISONER
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."

CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.

4.

BANE
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."

CIA MAN (FASCINATED)
"If I pull this off, will you die?"

BANE
"It would be extremely painful."

CIA MAN
"You're a big guy -"

BANE
"For you."

CIA MAN (UNNERVED)
"Was being caught part of your plan?"

BANE
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

DR. PAVEL
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

CIA MAN
"Why not just ask him?"

BANE
"He would not have told us."

CIA MAN
"You have methods."

BANE
"Him, I need healthy. You present no
such problem."
CIA Man laughs for the Special Forces' benefit. A heavy bass
tone is rising. The Sergeant looks out the window.


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The commuter plane is dwarfed by a massive transport plane
looming over it, dangerously close...

5.

>>135600291

>>135600291

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The plane lurches. The noise is building.

SERGEANT
"Sir?"

CIA MAN
"Well congratulations, you got
yourselves caught. What's the next
step of your master plan?"

BANE
"Crashing this plane..."


EXT. MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS


The ramp of the transport opens... Four men leap out on
tethers - dropping towards the commuter plane, two each
side...

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Special Forces react to the turbulence from the plane
above. CIA Man looks at Bane.

BANE (RISING)
"With no survivors."
A Special Forces soldier spins around - an Armed Man is
outside the window. Bang -


EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

Two men shoot through the windows, the other two attach
grapples to the fuselage - give the thumbs up - hoists start
to pull and the tail of the commuter plane is lifted,
unnaturally.

INT. COCKPIT, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

The Pilots battle the controls as the plane tilts forward.

6.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

>>135601868
What part of

>rises from the dead annually

Did you not understand?

Adonis, much like Christ, was influenced by the myth of Tammuz, but I'm not claiming they're the same.

Like lightning, Bane has the CIA Man is his handcuffed arms,
legs wrapped around a seat back, The entire cabin upends.
Tumbling chaos - Soldiers falling - Bane cracks CIA Man's
neck and drops him onto the Sergeant - they tumble down the
plane, smashing into the cockpit door with a terminal thud.
Dr. Pavel, strapped in, pushes against the seat in front of
him - the plane vibrates, trying to tear itself apart.

EXT. ATLAS MOUNTAINS - CONTINUOUS

The men climb the tail of the smaller plane as it dangles
helplessly above the mountains. Its wings shear off.


INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

Bane breaks his handcuffs as if they were plastic, then
opens his legs and drops down the cabin, somersaulting
gracefully and using his arms to stop himself halfway down,
by Dr. Pavel.

EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - CONTINUOUS

The men attach explosives to the tail, then jump away,
swinging out as the tail explodes.

INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

An explosion takes off the rear door of the cabin - the
Armed Men drop through the smoke on cables.
A body bag is lowered into the cabin. Bane lies it on the
seat backs next to Dr. Pavel and unzips it to reveal a body
the same age and build as Dr. Pavel.

Bane rips Dr. Pavel's sleeve - pulls out a length of
surgical tubing - pushes a needle into Dr. Pavel's arm -
runs the tube to the body's arm... Dr. Pavel watches,
horrified, as Bane starts compressions on the body's chest,
drawing Dr. Pavel's blood across the tube and into the
body...

An Armed Man pulls Hooded Man 1 up through the cabin and
out. Bane stops Hooded Man 2.

7.

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>>135600422
The claim is that the Babylonian Exile made the Jews influenced by the Zoroastrians they were around and their influence later influenced Christianity as well. The claim is that Zoroastrianism brought:

>the view of the good v. evil in constant clash
>the attention to having names and identification of angels
>being monotheistic

The first one can't be the case as good v. evil view in Zoroastrianism is a 3rd century BC heresy of Zoroastrianism called Zurvanism. Further, Christianity rejects evil as existing wholesale. The dualism there doesn't exist. Meanwhile the exile ends centuries before the heresy existed.

The second is accurate. However, the Jews adopted the practice of identifying their angels and did not notably take any ideas.

The third I don't know for sure but I do know it's arguable. However as they view their gods differently innately I'm not sure what case could be made from it.

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BANE
"Friend. They expect one of us in
the wreckage."
The man nods, unhooks himself, takes Bane's arm.

HOODED MAN 2
"Have we started the fire?"

BANE (NODS)
"The fire rises."
Hooded Man 2 hands Bane his line. Bane clips it around Dr.
Pavel, takes out a knife and cuts Dr. Pavel's seat belt. Dr.
Pavel panics, flails. Bane takes his arms. Gentle.

BANE
"Calm, Doctor. Now is not time for
fear..."
Bane slides Dr. Pavel out of his seat. They hang in the
vertical, windblown cabin. Bane takes out a detonator.

BANE
"That comes later."
Bane presses the detonator - the cabin drops from around
them, revealing the terrifying drop to the peaks below. Dr.
Pavel screams as they are hoisted up towards the transport.

>>135601555
How difficult is it to get accepted? What are the interview and physical/mental evaluations like?

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>>135602277
>>135602382

Check them.

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It feels like the blocks of text are unapproachable for the unitiated.

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>>135602535
Something different has to be done.
Someone might even interpret my stellar contribution as trolling.

>>135602581

Not sure I see why it belongs in a thread about catholicism.

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>>135601555
Well generally how has it been?
What manner of classes have you taken when in there and how detailed does it become for you?

>>135600973
I've been interested in the idea and interested in monasticism for even longer. But I'm also interested in being a family man so I can't decide on my future yet. And plus I don't have my degree yet either so it's a no-go for now anyway.

>>135601668
And again, you don't defend the claim of influence. You just point to similarities and speculate the rest.

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>>135602581
What if instead of text blocks....

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>>135602685

we did it line by line.

CUT TO:

>>135602784
Racing along a cratered dirt road, and we are -

>>135602796
INT. LAND CRUISER JOSTLING OVER UNEVEN TERRAIN - DAY

>>135602838
Three Hooded Men guarded by East European Militia. A third
Militia drives. Next to him is a nervous, bespectacled man.

>>135602866
EXT. AIRSTRIP, EASTERN EUROPE - DAY

>>135602900
An airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery
fire. A bland CIA Operative, flanked by Special Forces Men,
stands in front of a commuter plane. CIA Man watches the
Land Cruiser pull up, hard. The Militia Men jump out of the
vehicle.

>>135602929
The Driver shoves the bespectacled man in front of the CIA
Man.

>>135602958
2.

>>135602796
shut the fuck up you fucking nigger jew

>>135602990
CIA MAN

>>135603053
"Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA."
>Absolute classic here, one of the most iconic openers in a movie.

>>135603103
Dr. Pavel nods, nervous. CIA Man hands the Driver a
briefcase.

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>>135601759
Well I'm not gonna lie, I gotta say there are a few faggots, but they'll leave as soon as they're pointed out. The ones that don't just end up being very bad priests, but to answer your question, haven't participated in any and I don't think I will

>>135602382
I had to make a 6 month lapse of interviews with the priest in charge of that area (usually saturdays) and to a week of what they call pre-seminary where you experience what it's like to live as a seminarian, in that week you get several psychology tests and more interviews with priests to be sure of your motivations to join in, talk about it to your local priest man, he'll help you out

>>135603139
DRIVER

>>135603197
"He wasn't alone."

>>135602096
You don't understand the stories of Tammuz and Adonis are about Flowers or the "flower of youth" being Brutally killed in the heat of the sun sapped away and dried out by the cruelty of nature. That's as metaphorical as you can get with plants. It's about beautiful young men being murdered only one version of the myth says he "visited" Ishtar , but that is usually a euphemism for ghost haunts, which chaldeans strongly believed in. Other versions the more famous it says explicitly that hes ash

>>135603227
CIA Man, confused, spots the Hooded Men. He turns to Dr.
Pavel.

>>135603331
shh shh you're ruining the suspense

>>135603388
CIA MAN

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>just being Catholic around this bane shitposter has made him spend his night try to troll us

Mate, when you read this know that we will be ready to talk with you when you wish to actually confront our disagreements with us. There's no dishonor in being wrong and we - myself included - would have no problem pointing out where you are.

>>135603404
"You don't get to bring friends."
>WHOA. Tension skyrockets here, something is going on.

>>135603460
DR. PAVEL (SHAKEN)

>>135603481
"They are not my friends."

>>135603503
DRIVER

>>135594236
I'd just like to say thank you for making these threads and being dedicated on /pol/

>>135603416
Oh, and of course regardless I do appreciate you bumping the thread.

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>>135603388
Niggers like you get so trigger about race mixing the Bible. This happens almost every time. Thanks for letting me know that you can't refute it

>>135603558
"Don't worry, no charge for them."

>>135603585
>>135603592
No problem, I'm glad you enjoy it.
It's a thankless job sometimes.

>>135602009
this is saying that you can't do good works to look good in front of God.. because God saves you by his grace, you can't save yourself by doing works.

>>135602213
>The third I don't know for sure but I do know it's arguable. However as they view their gods differently innately I'm not sure what case could be made from it.
That was the transition from henotheism/monolatry to monotheism.

>>135602719
>And again, you don't defend the claim of influence. You just point to similarities and speculate the rest.
The similarities are all we have though. If you're expecting me to prove that the people who created the mythological character of Christ had those myths in mind, well, there's no way we can know that for sure. What we do know is that they share historic backgrounds, and that a cultural exchange of information most definitely happened, making the claim of influence more likely than not. It also goes beyond comparative religion and into the Christian doctrine itself, with the contact of Hellenized Jews and Greek philosophy, from which we see the strong influence of Platonism on Christianity.

>>135603331
That's Adonis' story. Tammuz is about harvesting and not flowers, because he was a god of grain while Adonis was a god of youth.

Again, they're not literally the same, but have common origins linked to cultural perceptions of the death and rebirth.

>>135603649
CIA MAN

>>135603686
"Why would I want them?"

>>135603714
DRIVER

>>135603757
"They were trying to grab your
prize." (Smiles.) "They work for the
mercenary. The masked man."

>>135603784
CIA MAN (EXCITED)

>>135602719
Classes suck at seminary cus most of the teachers are priests and they have a lot of parrish work to do but there are one or two that are okay. In general the only way to truly learn is to read by yourself and I'm pretty okay with that, can't say the same for my other fellow seminarians, of you don't read you're gonna say and do a lot of bullshit.
In general it's been the best experience in my life, Christ's got your back every second even tho the loneliness hits you sometimes.

>>135603805
"Bane?"

>>135602009
>>135603662
basically, God saves you, you don't save yourself

>>135603827
The Driver nods. CIA Man turns to his Special Forces Men.

>>135603843
CIA MAN

>>135603862
"Get 'em on board - I'll call it in."

>>135603886
EXT. SKIES OVER MOUNTAIN RANGE - DAY

>>135603913
The commuter plane struggles over snow-capped mountains.

>>135603939
INT. MAIN CABIN, COMMUTER PLANE - CONTINUOUS

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>>135603682
No most scholars even suppose that Adonis is copied from Tammuz. Tammuz has very little to do with farming especially since Tammuz IS Adonis and even the Greeks admired that Ishtar WAS Aphrodite. He was mourned for they had FUNERAL SERVICE as ritual for him only not anything else during growing months in fact scholars don't even believed he was ever ressurected but he was a ghost sometimes a vengeful one

>>135603989
The three Hooded Men kneel by the cargo door, handcuffed.

Man, this is almost as good as watching it together, except we're reading it together.

>>135604052
CIA Man grabs Hooded Man 1.

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>>135604012

>>135604077
CIA MAN

>>135604101
"What are you doing in the middle of
my operation?"

>>135594236
How do you justify ethno-states if blacks believe in Jesus Christ?

>>135604120
3.

>>135604154
Hooded Man 1 says nothing. CIA Man pulls out a handgun.

>>135604190
"The flight plan I just filed with
the Agency lists me, my men, and
Dr. Pavel here. But only one of
you."
>This scene build up very quickly. It flows like a chocolate river, seamlessly flowing into excellent dialog. Here, we see the genius of Nolan himself.

>>135604279
CIA Man opens the cargo door. Special Forces hang Hooded Man
1 out into the howling wind - CIA Man shouts above the wind.

>>135604297
CIA MAN

>>135604012
Yes, he is copied from Tammuz, and the Greeks gave him a meaning of their own. Likewise, Aphrodite was copied from Ishtar, but isn't literally Ishtar. She became a new deity who was nonetheless influenced the Sumerian/Babylonian goddess.

You're missing the point of comparing those myths because you can't acknowledge the fact that you were wrong about Tammuz not coming back to life.

>>135603662

Yes and works pleasing to god flows from faith.

>>135603842

Yes indeed. All we can do is have faith and try our best.

>>135604335
"FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON
MY AIRCRAFT!" (Cocks weapon.)
>THIS IS IT! The trigger to the rest of the amazingly flowing scene. Pay close attention, because it can slip away.

>>135604423
"SO...WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR.
PAVEL?!"

I just want to say that I truly appreciate your efforts to bring such holiness to this place, wolf. Your posts have genuinely done a lot to bring me to the faith.

>>135604448
Nothing. CIA Man fires out the open door and the Special
Forces yank Hooded Man 1 back in, clubbing him quiet.

>>135604467
CIA MAN

>>135604490
"HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD! WHO WANTS TO
TRY NEXT?!"
>Such a special line. The line betrays emotion, as the poor English streams through his composure.

came to the thread to praise God
>praise God

>>135604571
The Soldiers grab Hooded Man 2, hang him out the door.

>>135604682
CIA MAN

>>135604704
"TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE
WEAR THE MASK?!"

>>135604724
The prisoner says nothing. CIA Man presses the gun to the
man's hood - he cocks the gun...nothing.

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>>135604724
>90 posts by this id

How do I pump and dump pure christian waifus? None of this born again christian shif.

>>135604409
yea but this doesn't prove sola fide. sola fide is an overrated thing anyway, catholics don't even much disagree. we believe salvation is an ongoing process not only saved from grace cuz u have faith. we do not believe you are saved if you say "i believe in Jesus, am i good now?" which is what lots of protestants lead us to believe they believe

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>>135603682
>That was the transition from henotheism/monolatry to monotheism.
Yeah.

>If you're expecting me to prove that the people who created the mythological character of Christ had those myths in mind, well, there's no way we can know that for sure.

Well you've been stating influence as fact for a while now so I expect you to defend it as fact, rather than just a hypothesis.

>and that a cultural exchange of information most definitely happened

The likelihood that the story of life of Dionysus, Tammuz, or Mithra were effectively remembered let alone passed into the poor, exclusionary Jewish lands at the time or its surrounding populace is very unlikely even by Roman governor influence.

>It also goes beyond comparative religion and into the Christian doctrine itself, with the contact of Hellenized Jews and Greek philosophy, from which we see the strong influence of Platonism on Christianity.

When it comes to metaphysics it did influence how people thought of Christianity but not what Christianity was.

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>>135604724
OH SHIT FORGOT COMMENTARY

>Another amazing line. CIA betrays something deeper than his job, he desperately want to know Bane, the person. The mask is a deeply personal thing, revealed only to his closest men.

>>135604773
Quiet, you're ruining it for others.

>>135604916
CIA MAN

>>135604945
"LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN!"
>Frustration. These bonds of loyalty go deeper.

>>135604990
THIRD PRISONER (O.S.)
>OH BOY

>>135604123
Biological differences would be the only means.

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>>135604643
For you.

>>135605008
"Or he's wondering why someone would
shoot a man before throwing him out
of an aeroplane."
>Deep. This unknown prisoner somehow has seen through CIA's fake, exposing a misstep, a weakness. If CIA was strong, or had a greater personal character than loyalty to his agency, he would have killed the man.

>>135605154
CIA Man turns to the Third Prisoner. Shuts the cargo door.
>This hits him hard. Something different is happening. Who is this guy who saw through everything?

>>135605189
CIA MAN

>>135605218
"Wiseguy, huh? At least you can
talk. Who are you?"
>An attempt at bravado, to cover up. Nevertheless, he is internally a little relieved. At least one of them is making his job easier.

>>135605285
THIRD PRISONER

>>135605308
"We are nothing. We are the dirt
beneath your feet. And no one cared
who I was until I put on the
mask..."
>Dayum.

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>>135594236
>Everyone is welcome.

And that's why the West is dying and Christianity is a big, BIG part of the problem.

Catholic here. OP is a fag. Everyone is NOT welcome.

>99 posts by this ID
Has anybody ever been more triggered?

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>>135605351
CIA Man, wary, approaches the Third Prisoner - pulls off his
hood, revealing a dark mask with a breathing apparatus. The
eyes behind it are cold. Still. This is Bane.
>Oh.
>Shit.

>>135605358
catholic: universal
>catholic here, everyone is NOT welcome

you wot?

>>135604902

Believing something and saying you believe something is hardly the same thing. By definition; you can't be a protestant if you don't have faith. I don't see how you could get the idea that there are christians who don't believe in christ. Faith in christ is the only criteria here, which is also why faith in christ is the only thing that can save a person. Sure you could say salvation is an ongoing process. However those saved in christ usually act according to their faith in my experience, making salvation a non issue once you are saved.

>>135605399
4.

>>135605365
whoa whoa calm the fuck down. This is vital stuff. Stop interrupting the narrative, you're throwing me off.

>>135605482
BANE

>>135604903
>Well you've been stating influence as fact for a while now so I expect you to defend it as fact, rather than just a hypothesis.
I'm not trying to pass it as a fact, if that's the impression you got. It's one of many explanations for the similarities between the religions and the invention of the Christian god.

>The likelihood that the story of life of Dionysus, Tammuz, or Mithra were effectively remembered let alone passed into the poor, exclusionary Jewish lands at the time or its surrounding populace is very unlikely even by Roman governor influence.
Oh, not Jewish lands, Greek lands. Christianity certainly wasn't invented by illiterate Jewish farmers who had no contact with Hellenic culture, but Hellenized Jews from Alexandria and Antioch.

>When it comes to metaphysics it did influence how people thought of Christianity but not what Christianity was.
It was probably both. The very concept of God in Christianity has way too many similarities to Platonic idea of "forms" (in particular the Form of the Good), Christ on the Platonic Logos in a more direct sense, and so on.

Paul's writings are another example.

>F.F. Powell argues that Paul, in his epistles, made use of many of the ideas of the Greek philosopher Plato, sometimes even using the same metaphors and language.[181] For example, in Phaedrus, Plato has Socrates saying that the heavenly ideals are perceived as though "through a glass dimly",[182] Paul's language closely mirrors this phrase 1 Corinthians 13.

>>135605516
"Who we are does not matter. What
matters is our plan."
>Goddamn.
>This isn't some rando willing to fuck things up for personal gain. This is a Man. Someone with a purpose. Someone who isn't afraid to die.

>>135605580
CIA MAN (FASCINATED)

>>135605598
"If I pull this off, will you die?"
>CIA can't control his curiosity. Despite his work, his mission, the men around him, he has to know. How much does the mask make the person?

>>135605563
I'd appreciate if you didn't fuck the script by shoving your ugly blow of text in between critical scenes.
Show a little respect.

>>135605745
BANE

>>135605481

Put into other words; you can't take away my holy spirit once I have recieved it. You can only fool people to reject it when it comes knocking.

>>135605764
"It would be extremely painful."
>Bane, in a rare moment, reveals a little humanity. This is critical, because what happens next makes you doubt he has any.

how do you fags stay loyal to an institution that covers up pedophilia?

>>135603184
Thanks for the info, friend

>>135605856
CIA MAN

>>135605563
See, these guys are a little more respectful >>135605837 >>135605860 >>135605861
No 200 character lines, man.

>>135605932
"You're a big guy -"
>WAIT FOR IT

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>>135604458
I feel... undeserving of this comment, but thank you. It's good to hear of people's self-improvement. I hope things have been good for you.

>>135605960
BANE

>>135605481
but that doesn't make sense. what does sola fide mean then? why even make that a doctrine separate from catholics if faith can't be measured "once you are saved" huh? i just want to know the justification for this "sola fide" because that verse you cited doesn't prove it at all, it's just paul warning the corinthians not to get caught up in works but lose actual faith.

if the book of revelation states that the dead shall be judged in the book of life, according to what they have done in life, doesn't that contradict "sola fide"?

>>135605978
"For you."
>HAHA

>>135605996
CIA MAN (UNNERVED)

>>135604394
>>135604394
Well no you're wrong the cult came from babylon and you should know that. Tammuz never came back. He in only one version haunts Ishtar becauseShe murdered him AS A GHOST. He tells her off and tells her to go fuck herself since everyone who had sex with her gets to be called "holy grain man" and then is murdered horribly. She was like a praying mantis. It's about ISHTAR being fertilized by men and then discarding them, they stay in their underworld eating dust

>>135605837
i don't know what this means

>>135606007
"Was being caught part of your plan?"
>Now that Bane has revealed everything, CIA can't believe that he let himself get caught like this.

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>>135603821
What kinds of stuff do you read?

also
>classes suck
>best experience in my life

....?

>>135606063
BANE

Oh guys, I got a great idea.

>>135606090
"Of course. Dr. Pavel refused our
offer in favor of yours. We had to
know what he told you about us."

Did you know...

>>135606121
DR. PAVEL

There's a whole movie behind this epic scene?

jew freemason puppet catholics

>>135606012
See >>135601668

>>135606141
"Nothing! I said nothing!"

We could go through the whole SCRIPT TOGETHER!!

>>135606179
CIA MAN

How can you believe so strongly

>>135606196
"Why not just ask him?"

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>>135605358
Catholic means universal.
Catholicism is centrally speaking to all of humanity but speaks about humanity in relation to all of creation. There is no getting around this.

>Everyone is welcome in a Catholic thread about Catholicism where Catholicism is heavily defended
>at all similar to European multiculturalism

>>135606218
BANE