Did we watch the same debate, or is /leftypol/ raiding and shilling

>>135590858

Cenk annihilated Ben. Cenk was a Trump-tier strongman dismantling him. Ben was spouting off talking points in a Ted-Cruz-tier fashion.

>>135590858
When was Cenk not completely BTFO?
Seriously, this guy is a walking JUST.

It's just one leaf using the pirate flag.

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>>135590967
>literally copy-pasting your damage control

Cenk kept using analogies, he lost in the beginning.

>>135591100

It's a fact. It's hilarious watching you retards shill for a Jew, calling Cenk's debate style Low-IQ, when that's literally how Trump debated.

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For those saying Cenk won, just a reminder that Cenk used the following arguments unironically at least once during this debate:

>it just werks
>you're too dumb to understand my argument
>muh roads
>google it
>muh uterus

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>>135591187
Stay BTFO low IQ shill

>>135591231

That's literally how Trump debated, retard.

Debates are retarded... Debates aren't research. Debates aren't the truth.

Sodomites

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>>135590858
Like Gunk Yogurt can win anything but an eating contest.

I like to believe they're shills and being paid to say stupid shit to spare me the thought of people actually believing what they write.

Cenk is currently back in the TYT studio crying, editing the video to make it seem like he won, before uploading it. he'll disable comments and likes

/leftypol/ is 100% raiding with their butts clenched.

>>135590858
I'm not sure it's shilling I think they're just braindead. It's funny.

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>>135590858
>inb4 copy pasted post from buttblasted nigger flag

>>135591320
>>135591187
>>135590967
Agreed, Trump would have been destroyed if he had been debating anyone other than a retarded grandma

he didn't get BTFO like many thought he would, but he did lose overall

he was BTFO last year by Dsouza

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>>135590858

>>135590858
antifa/leftypol faggots are shilling

>>135590858
it's lefty pol, Ben called Cenk a prostitute and I lolled because Cenk got himself into that one.

>>135591320
Wrong. Cenk doesn't have the charisma, body language, and banter skills of Trump. It was completely different.

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>>135591598

Cenk beat the shit out of rato and the cuckservative retards during the debates.

>>135590858
Shameless shilling.

All they are saying is Cenk won, that's it. Anyone can watch the stream and see he got utterly BTFO by Shapiro.

>>135591885

He has exact the same style, the main difference is that Cenk is a left-wing populist. Both are strongmen who use 'everyone knows it' style of rhetoric.

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>>135591361
so much truth right here. unfortunately no one will listen

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>>135590858
>All this band wagoning and shill accusations and not one person has posted the video yet

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Damn system will say its spam if its all together. Put that damn link together and see for yourself. Leftypol is on full damage control now.

>>135592534
GOOGLE IT

literally though, google it. It's not hard to find, everybody has been linking it for the past hour retard.

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>>135590858
They are raiding us all the time. There are always lefty/pol/ shills here, and you can report them for board disruption.

We arent allowed to raid, but other people aren't allowed to raid us either.

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>>135590858
Ben didn't really bring up the best points or use great arguments to respond to Cenk.

Like when Cenk said "Republicans be like, "The healthy are subsidizing the sick." LOL! That's how insurance works!."

I would have brought up the fact that insurance is a bet that you won't get sick. If you're already sick, you don't need insurance. You need a subsidy. Obamacare attempts to subsidize the sick by grouping leveling the premiums and coverage for the healthy and the sick: in effect, artificially inflating the premiums of the healthy. But because so many sick individuals have signed up, premiums are skyrocketing, and healthy people are choosing not to sign up for insurance, which in turn makes premiums rise even higher. Cenk mentioned price controls, but I don't think price controls will be enough to stabilize Obamacare.

Ben didn't mention any of that. The closest he came was saying, "Insurance and Healthcare are not the same thing."

Not a great performance by Ben.

>>135592346
only retards believe this

>>135590858

if Cenk got BTFO they wouldnt' show their faces here.

the fact is he did alot better than anyone could have predicted, even if it fell well short of convincing. He made some good points, stuck to some bipartisan issues and had a few good moments in between making a fool out of himself. He also did well by forcing Ben into a few awkward positions where it looked as if he was on the side of big business and banks, just some straw mans but it did put Ben on the defensive for a few exchanges.

very strong showing from an historically weak opponent in Cenk. He should be proud of himself even if he objectively lost on most of the points where they weren't in agreement.

>>135592688
Why would i put any effort in watching mr autistic statistics and clown cenk debating though

>>135590858
Nobody on /pol/ is supporting Cenk except a few bait posts. He was outclassed.

>>135592534
>hey guys Im a hooker who cant GOOGLE IT

>>135590967
You, Portugal, and the BLM flag poster are literally spamming every thread with you shill lies- trying to hard senpai.

>>135590858

leftypol is raiding

It's desperate and annoying.

Cenk pretty much went incontinent on stage, but leftypol will still say he won.

>>135592736

Go watch the Trump debates. In pretty much every single debate Trump attacked the audience, attacking the banks, and used identical populist rhetoric. Cenk and Trump just defend different causes and ideologies.

>>135591719
noice

>>135592889
Then try keeping your retarded opinion to yourself, faggot. There are indeed shills out there and if you saw the stream you'd know why.

Cenk the retarded hooker got BTFO.

The expectation was Cenk would be mauled by a Jew bear but he kinda held his own in parts so it feels like he won

>>135592191
I assume you mean Trump. Trump debates a lot like Cenk actually, look at the debate with Cenk and Dinesh. Dinesh had the better arguments, but Cenk """won""" with cheap shots and insults.

>>135593247
Except he didn't. Did we see the same stream, you fucking shill. Every time he got corned real bad he brought up the fact that Ben supported the Iraq war. On almost every other argument Cenk got BTFO.

>>135590858
Former TYT supporter here. I have to be honest, it's been hilarious watching Chunky Yogurt genocide the Armenians. We can't get this roach have access to the stinky kebab.

>>135592698
>People who don't drink the Trump kool aid are invaders, shills, outsiders etc
You know for people who pretend to have a real feeling or respect for history you guys have a real blindspot for the last 15 years. /pol/ isn't your alt right safe space and it never will be. It hated george bush and it hated obama and eventually it will hate Trump. this is a contrarian and antiestablishment board and the more mainstream your ideology becomes the more /pol/ will reject it.
Spoilers: Trump isn't an outsider any more no matter how the big bad "globalists" and "MSM" and "deepstate" are against him, the more you have to twist the narrative to convince yourself he is an outsider the more retarded you become.

>>135593420

That's literally how Trump debated, you retard. His comeback line on foreign policy in every single republican debate was about how he opposed iraq.

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>>135590967
Keep spamming this, roach lover.

>>135591598
Trump is a shit tier debater but even he could steamroll 2/3 debates over hillbot repeating memorized lines

Cenk DESTROYED him on the Iraq point, if he hammered home Ben's neocon tendency, he could've won. Everything else was a wash, I dislike them both, but Cenk did better than expected and he was very cordial which is extremely rare for him.

>>135590858
Leftypol fags are always here because even ardent commie pinko cucks can get banned for the most minor offenses by leftykikes moderators.
So they come here to "subvert" because 8cancers pol boards is used to the braindead autists that spill over from leftypol while 4chan pol isn't.

>Corporations donation billions to politicians and outright bribing them for larger profits is the exact same thing as investment on a company
Cenk won the moment Ben pulled this shit

>>135592698
the mod seriously needs to just start outright banning these shills for raiding

>>135593651

Good Goyim, Praise your kike for praising the banks, praising jew donors for buying politicians, praising the iraq war and praising israel.

>>135590858
Definitly lefty shills all around.
Couldn't watch the whole shit, though what a shitty audience, Jesus. They behaved like it was a football stadium, very annoying.

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>>135590967
lol 4th time I've seen this exact post, god your existence is so embarassing

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>>135590858
Did anyone honestly believe that Cenk was going to beat a college educated Jew in a debate?

why are you faggots even discussing this shit? little ben is not are guy anyway? /pol/ is not interested in eceleb b8, all eceleb threads are le donald desu

>>135591719
You guys are so fucking quick hahahahahah

>hey guys when we raid 4chan just keep saying that the roach debated exactly like trump
>it doesn't seem to be working
>just keep doing it

But guys, Cenk started his business with a small loan of four million dollars.

>>135593475
>trump isn't an outsider
>everyone and everything is against him
gtfo, nigger. you need to lurk more. you can't just waltz the fuck back in here and think you know wtf is going on. i mean it. gtfo with your fucking nigger tier thinking and propaganda bullshit.
You're a newfag. Lurk more.

>>135594213

Trump and Cenk literally had the same style. Both attacked their cuckservative opponents on Iraq whenever feign policy was brought up, both attacked audiences, both attacked Banks, etc.

>>135592346
>being this retarded

need to remove these eceleb threads once and for all, you're not being a good janny by letting 14 year olds post, follow the rules desu

tdlr: JUST GOOGLE IT *5

>>135593801

I don't even think Cenk won on that point, he was confused by Ben's point which you also seemed to have missed.

first, the Citizens United was less about legal bribery and more about the jurisprudence of discrimination. In the same way that Cenk was given money with an expectation, that expectation may never have been met. It's identical to giving money in politics b/c the candidate may not win and legislating against the hope you or a corporation will receive something from politics is way too untenable.

Second, while Cenk wasn't wrong when he decried money in politics, he was in fact making himself out to be a hypocrite. He will gladly apply a standard for everyone but he won't apply the standard to himself UNLESS everyone also plays by that standard.

>>135593503
Dumb dumb cunt. Go re-read the post I responded too.

>>135590967
say what you want, you can even say Hillary won the election but it isn't and will never be true you fucking liberal faggot
>kill yo self

>>135590858
lol cmon of course it's leftypol shilling.

Cenk was a master orator, who danced gracefully between his cohesive points of intellect, presenting masterful control of the orchestra of words akin to Martin Luther King.

>>135594485

Go watch the GOP primary debates. Trump did exactly what Cenk did.

>gets attacked on foreign policy
calls out the cuck for supporting iraq

attacked cucks for taking donor money

attacked the audiences, etc.

>>135594238
If I am not mistaken Cenk is one of the most popular leftist that is independently funded. (ignoring his small loan of 4 million dollars)

So it is just nice to see him get crushed by young Ben

>>135590967
cenk resorted to telling everyone to google his outrageous claims.
>republicans started identity politics, google it.
not to mention that he compared giving someone money to prostitution, so ben asked if cenk was a whore. probably the best part of that debate

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>>135594689
Fuck off shill, this shits getting old

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>>135594822

i don't understand why the left keeps saying this, it's demonstrably true. if these libtards actually dealt with an illegal mexican in their lives at all, they would know its true. They openly talk about gaming the system. California assemblymen and Senators have given public speeches in broad daylight talking about how most illegal immigrants actually use false paperwork to get into college, get jobs, get benefits. There's almost no way for them not to know how prevalent this practice is. It's like willful ignorance.

>>135594968
thats funny because something so vague as who started identity politics is a very difficult thing to "simply google" and even if you did get a clear answer it would likely be highly opinionated. damn I hate Cenk.

>>135590858
I missed the middle 15 minutes, but from what I could gather, it wasn't anything dramatic. Shapiro was generally more well-spoken and was able to present relevant facts and historical context. However, his propensity for ideological purity undermined his more meaningful messages. Two examples I can think of are the discussion over taxes and healthcare. Shapiro insisted that high taxes can't work because 100% taxes doesn't work, which really undermined his better point about how businesses having more money results in the production of new products that create real economic growth rather than merely satisfying basic necessities. Cenk was better at staying relatable, but he is clearly not as well-read or intelligent as Shapiro. He had some pretty silly moments as well, like when he tried to blame the financial crash on big businesses but his entire argument basically highlighted the fact that it would not have been possible without the government helping every step of the way, saving Shapiro a lot of breath.

>>135590858
Lol what you talking about? Ben got raped harder than if Dylan Roof had to share a cell with big Tyron.

>>135593475
you're spot on, the more popular trump actually becomes with the normalfags the more /pol/ will back off on him.

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>>135590858
/Leftypol/ raids whenever there is something major going on now. Just like how they shilled like hell for corbyn (that British communist) for one night and then we're never heard from again. They will be gone soon.

>>135592407
That kid is too tall to be Cenk.

>>135594689
t. shill

No one is buying what you're selling, PROSTITUTE.

It's a psyop by leftpol because they know the stormfaggotry vs. based maga in here loves to use jews as a wedge issue

>>135595093

It's not old, if you were intellectually honest you'd admit it. The fact that you're trying to invoke tribalism to defend a subhuman kike is disturbing.

>>135593475
>hated george bush
>hated Obama
yes because they are globalist shills
>eventually will hate Trump
big NO Trump is slowly dismantling globalism, which most everyone should be for they are too stupid to see it happening.

>>135594480
I think you made good points earlier in the thread, but Citizen's United was not about giving money to politicians and it certainly never said money = speech (the Democratic talking point).

Citizens United was a corporation that wanted to make a documentary that was critical of Hillary Clinton. This is unequivocally speech. It is just as much speech as any video made by TYT that is critical of Trump. Federal law at the time banned corporations from broadcasting "electioneering" speech at the time, unless the corporation was a "media" company. The result was that the CEO of the NYT could publish an editorial supporting a candidate but the CEO of GM could not. The Supreme Court said this law violated the First Amendment and struck it down.

Ben totally failed to make this point in response to "money is speech lol no" from Cenk. The political left as done a great job spreading misinformation about Citizens United and Ben failed to correct the record tonight.

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>>135595431
Man, how late is Sheklestein keeping you tonight shill? Better get some rest, cuckboy

>>135595183

Ben's use of reductio ad absurdum was very weird to hear, even if i understood the point he was making. It was much more obvious a contrast when Cenk setup his entire argument about taxes based on the hypothetical circulation of money premise. Whereas Ben pointed out that stuffing your sock with wads of cash is actually quite rare and bank's major profit margins comes from using their on hand capital.

>>135595653

You're the one defending the jew. Cenk is an sjw, but so is Ben, he's a closet sjw. Remember michelle fields.

Remember, Hitler made a deal with the muslims to get rid of the jews. The Jews are the immediate enemy.

Who else here a cenkster? He killed little benny.

>>135595762
Me
Cenk edged out the win
But I like both of them and thought they both did well

>>135595762
Kys!

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>>135595847
>Cenk edged out the win

>>135595762
Cenk laid the smackdown on (((Shapiro)))

>>135590858
Cenk lost.
What got me is how willingly stupid he is about healthcare. I work in healthcare and have to deal with the insurance companies, CHAMPVA, TRICARE, and welfare offices daily. Cenk knows a complicated scenario that cannot work in practice. He has no concept of Medicaid and Medicare's use of allocated payment system, has no idea how the medical billing system works, doesn't take into account hospital and clinic resource ethics, and thinks confiscating is virtuous!

A good question for both would be, "Please explain your understanding of ICD-10-CM, CPT, & HCPCS, and how your ideas would translate into each of them?"

Been didn't go as far as I think he could've due to his need to relate to the audience.

>>135595750
No one should be defending a kike but this is an obvious lefty/kike/ thread. No one supports Cenk. He wants whites to disappear and is a filthy turkroach. Both can get the oven.

sage

>>135595599

I remember Citizen's United had something to do with a video, but i also thought it capped campaign contributions for outside entities. Is that wrong? I've seen it said so many times i just assumed it was true.

>every time he talks people boo
>every time the opponent talks people cheers
>10 minutes in he is screaming and calling the people idiots
>other guy talks 85% of the time
>every point he makes is "the conservatives think X, but is in fact Y"


fucking hell, even alex jones would beat this guy in a debate

>>135591231
For those saying Trump won just a reminder that Cenk used the following arguments unironically at least once during this debate:

>I know it, we know it, everybody knows it, so why don't you know it?

Drumpf is pretty much a retard. He is lucky the illimemeanati put him up against a retarded grandma.

>>135596129
Alex Jones has raped everybody I've ever seen him debate

Just started watching and good god Shapiro is one fast talking Jew.
Cenk sounds like he's on Purple Drank compared to him.

>>135596049

Ben also wants whites to disappear.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/875730927002963968?lang=en

>>135590858
Tried watching it and Cenk was talking about Glass Steagal.. made me cringe and had to turn it off for the sake of my brain cells.

The guy doesnt even know there is fractional reserve banking.

>>135596363

Shapiro's style = Cruz, while Cenk's style =Trump.

>>135596525

Trump also supported glass-steagall.

>>135596077
No, that's McCutcheon v. FEC. That's a case I admittedly didn't know existed until I googled capped campaign contributions just now. I will have to read it.

>>135596591
Rekt Republicraps on suicide watch.

>>135596525

Hillary went on record multiple times saying Glass-Steagal wouldn't have done much or anything to stop the 2008 market crash. it was one of the few points i agreed with her on.

>>135591598
Trump debated people other than Hillary you know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVfj0ov8k8

>>135596591
Jesus Christ fag will you give it a rest, quit comparing that roach to trump

>>135590967
6/10

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All of you are retarded. That debate was boring as shit. Neither of them got anywhere close to a knock out punch because they both knew what to expect before the debate.

>>135596791
>>135596881

They're both populists, stop being intellectually dishonest. All the nevertrump cucks whined about Trump's 'anti-intellectualism during the debates. You're literally espousing Frank-Luntz tier rhetoric.

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>>135590967
This copy pasta??

>>135590858
>>135590967

Chank Hooker god annihilated by Ben.

>>135596992
Holy shit it's definitely a shillbot

>>135591598
He beat 17 other top republicans. He didn't win the election by debating he won the election by campaigning hard.

>>135596992
But I wasn't being satirical Anon.
Why you bulli me you faggot trap.

>>135597198

Are you dumb? Ben is a nevertrumper. He's a michelle fields supporting sjw kike.

For you idiots they compare trump to cenk FYI trump won the election because of social media and hard campaigning.

>>135594661
You were going well up until you compared him to a nigger.

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I wouldve liked to see Scott Adams debate Cenk Unger instead of Ben

>>135596591
Well I would like to know what was his reasoning. He knows how banks work and money gets printed so he would never use the stupid Cenk argument of gambling deposits.

>>135590967
This copy pasta is stale, now I have a chipped tooth and need to go to the dentist. Thanks faggot.

>>135596817
Probably one of the few times she was right about something.

>>135596049
I agree with this but I still like the jewish Ben. My question is does the leftist gather somewhere else besides the main social media sites

>>135590858
Tbh Cenk won on Healthcare, the (((free market))) is shit but he uses Japan as an example of a good healthcare system. If I was debatin him I would counter that and tell him one of the big reasons they have such a good system is that its a homogeneous society with very very very low immigration. Liberals are right on a lot of things, but most of their policies can only be effectively implemented in homogeneous racist countries

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>>135591598
>retarded grandma
kek

>>135597318
PLease explain to me (or are you joking) that Ben not even supports but explain to me that he Isn't completely opposed to SJWs. He has the strongest and most logistical arguments against them

>>135592568
>9/11 will rise again
what

>>135597848
SOMEONE PLEASE GET THIS LIBRAL CUNT OUT OF HERE

>>135597848
If you think the free market is shit then take your nigger ass back to africa and stop collecting your precious welfare checks

>>135597578

The point would be to prevent commercial banks from underwriting their own debt and over-extending themselves. Same populist logic.

>>135598138
cant deal with facts in your little safe space. snowflake?

>>135597848

>Liberals are right on a lot of things
Did you not sufficiently understand the fairly succinct explanation that as you mandate seizure of highly expensive, highly specialized services and goods in the medical industry, the quality falls off and the industry itself collapses?

What is the incentive to become a doctor if you're a subsidized, low-income state-held asset to be dispensed to anyone at the discretion of the state?

The average dr has $400,000 in student debt.
What do you think is going to happen to doctoral enrollment and quality of physicians if medical care becomes a welfare-state nanny hand-out instead of a highly rewarding career path for the brightest minds of the nation?

>>135598138
>>135598195

why do you enjoy benji's neocon military spending welfare for government contractors?

>>135590858
Shills in here big time. Even the crowd bood. At a tyt funded political event angels.

>>135594739
>Qatari funding

>>135597848
Cent would laugh at you and point out that homogeneity has nothing to do with healthcare and cite the success of the British, Canadian and Australian healthcare systems.

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>>135593114
Should I just google it?

>>135598343
Yet somehow other countries also have doctors.
Somehow those doctors don't have half a million in student debt upon graduation.

Face it, you sold your health for the Jews to profit.

>>135596363
I'd like to see Ben on speed

>>135598331
Snowflakes are liberals, please explain why the FREE market is bad

>>135598412
Why wouldn't you? give me specifics

>>135592688
>GOOGLE IT

Cenk, is that you?

>>135599568
Nah, but I was channeling him, you hooker.

Shapiro was too polite, and i would almost call it a draw, but Cenk went a massive full retarded and self-destructed in the end with his autistic rant about equality for all and miserable try for USA chant. I was looking for him to get owned by i felt really sorry for him.

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>>135590858
>sink argues that in order to create jobs you need money circulating through the economy
>sink then says that we need to raise taxes to accomplish this

are leftists really this fucking stupid?

>>135598872
>Yet somehow other countries also have doctors
And yet everyone that can comes to the US for surgeries and other healthcare needs

Almost like the social healthcare of their homeland is lower quality??

>>135598872
Yet, doctors in the U.S. make that in 1-2 years. Doesn't take long to pay those debts off

What is the point about arguing public debates? Cenk's side will always say he won, and Shapiros side will always say he won, regardless of the circumstances. It reminds me of when there is a fumble in football and a dogpile, and both sides' players are pointing opposite directions saying they have the ball

Debates like this are fruitless

>>135599873
They know nothing about economics but yet their (((feelings))) know exactly what needs to happen

>>135600333
Ya but we still feel like we need to put stupid people in their place. Why else be on /pol/?

>>135600360
it really doesn't make sense, if the government took less from my paycheck I would be inclined to spend more of my money.

I could afford a car payment if it wasn't for the government fucking me in the ass

>>135595183
You seem to have misunderstood the point, his use of 100% tax rate was in reference to cenk saying that the economy boomed because of the 61% tax rate, but Shapiro dated that if the economy boomed because of the high tax why don't we just make it 100%, then. He explained that the economy booms because business does better with lower taxes. At least that's what I understood.

>>135600333
00333
And like the football fumble, you can see what transpired and base who receives the ball.

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>>135590858
he lost, but he didn't embarrass himself like I thought he would

Neither made any particularly interesting points, the whole thing was a mild disappointment for me

>>135590858
Yes, it's /leftypol/ shilling. They're autists.

>>135597848
you're a retard, the rest of the world is indirectly subsidized by the US big Pharma model. The drugs are bankrolled by US patent holding companies for the american market and then the rest of the world gets a drug they didn't invest for or the generic version later at a lesser cost

>>135590858
Lmao, Cenk. Is. A. Complete. Retard.

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>>135590858
cenk won and he was more sexy than usual

>>135590858
Go watch the video of him 'debating' Dinesh D'Souza. Cenk is a troglydyte.

The only unexpected thing coming out from this debate is the fact that Cenk is literal midget.

>>135590858
Cenk is embarassing, the format doesn't help either.

You have to meme hard and get an applause line rather than diving deep into any assertions or arguments. There's no time to clarify everything that each speaker already holds to be true.

Half the time was spent saying 'well I agree with that also'.

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>>135590967
nice copy pasta

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/pol/ my friends and I are arguing and I need your infinite wisdom.

Am I white?

>post your inferior genes if you dare

omg DRUMFIES. accept that he LOST. your all RURAL and SUBURBAN RETARDS that cant accept that stupid racist DRUMPF lost and SHEPIRO also lost, dumb rural RETARDS....

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>>135593475
>I speak for /pol/

>>135597848
The united states didn't have a free market in healthcare anyway - that's a lie. Ann Coulter was right.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-myth-of-the-free-market-american-health-care-system/254210/

There are also 2 good counter-examples to the meme that pure socialized medicine is the only way to go - Swiss and Singaporean healthcare.

>>135602445
Profit denial
https://archive.is/ACySg

>>135598776

He supports sending white men to die fighting for the Saudis and Israelis.

I tried to watch it, it was boring and stupid. After ten minutes of watching them argue over taxes I couldn't take it anymore and got the fuck out.

Cenk did terrible. I could have defended his positions better and I hate libs. His time in the echo chamber made him unprepared for the little jew biting off his foreskin.

>>135602269
obviously you did not watch the debate

>Rural and suburban
Are you neither?

>wait so you want smaller government but you also want the government TO CONTROL OUR UTERUSES!?

dumb roach spouted a bunch of meme talking points where ben supplied facts, he got shapiro'd for sure i just wish he btfo more and it was longer

Cenk states:
> "Equality of opportunity. And you can't have equality of opportunity if you're dead, so healthcare for all."
So why isn't food provided for everyone? why isn't food just a right?

Alex Jones annihilated Cenk. Cenk was a triggered screaming mess after Stone. Alex was smiling off super male vitality while Cenk was trying to genocide in Turk like fashion.

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>>135601825
There is no way cenk is 5'9'' he was shorter than ben who was shorter than cruz, the racoon, the rat and the roach they attract so many more bugs>>135590858

>>135590967
You know you lost when you have to post pasta everywhere to try to get people to think you won

>>135603361
^amen

>>135591231
>google it
I agree, that was ridiculous. He shouldn't have to even tell people to look up velocity of money. The crowd booing and jeering at the very notion should make anyone who has even remotely studied economics cringe uncontrollably.

>>135603361
>mad at copy pastaganda
/pol/ is just one big Italian restaurant with extremely slippery floors

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>>135591598
Why are all liberals such fucking retards? You realize he debated 16 other Republicans before beating Hillary right?

>>135605100
Kek, it looks like Pajeet at the podium is looking down at Cenklet smiling.

>>135591231
the cringiest moment was when he tried to start a usa chant at the end

>>135607225
I felt bad for him there

You say that and then don't back it up, OP. Fucking amateur.

So is anyone going to link a highlight reel video or am I supposed to continue to see stupid chenk/ben spam/slide threads in the catalog?

>>135593475
lurk moar newfag

>>135594238
nobody here is shilling for ben

everybody just hates cenk

take that flag off newfag

>>135594689
>20 posts by this id

>>135590967
lol at this copy-pasta

>>135607225
I was completely for Shapiro based on previous experience but when it started and 12mins in I really felt bad for Cenk. I could see it in his eyes his demeanor had failed him

>>135594238
Our* Like god damn I'm a supporter of hitler but no nazi, just use your god damn words right

>>135607225
Nothing cements the fact Cenk got facefucked more than that feeble attempt to start THAT chant for his last hurrah.

>because this is AMERICA
>USA USA US... A USa... usa...

I remember the first time I actually cheered like that too. It was his first time for sure.

>>135590967
Go to sleep, Cenk.

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>n8jvxXNX
>28 post by this id
I almost feel bad for you Cenk.
No one deserves to get btfo by a dirty jew.

>>135593715
>Cenk won
>lol, how?
>GOOGLE IT

I was there. AMA

>>135610775
Which one would you fuck if you had to

>>135590858

3:55 in and cenk is making me cringe.

>watch american show/debate/whatever
>Person A makes a point
>*frantic clapping*
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>*clapping intensives*
>WOOOWOOWOWOWOOWWOOO
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>*more clapping*
>Person B makes a counterpoint
>*frantic clapping*
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>*clapping intensives*
>WOOOWOOWOWOWOOWWOOO
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>*more clapping*

What's wrong with you people?

We've passed into a level of politics so contentious that there is no point of debate. Both sides view each other as insane. So the debaters explain their position and both sides go "OOOHH BTFO" because the opposite opinion sounds like baby babble to them no matter what.

>>135592730
Ben has to think of most of the specific responses on the spot. The examples he brought up were adequate and relevant to the context. Stop nit picking. I thought of things Ben could've said better as well but I understand he's heated in the moment and he articulated a lot of points better than almost anyone else could.

In all serious though he was getting fired up the last 12 min or so

>>135611067
Farbetter than any sport

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Communist turk roach vs sneaky cuckservative jew.

Why are we interested in this again?

I don't like his views but AFAIR cenk is good hever gets blown out

it's part of his job to debate well and not lose despite being wrong.
Tbh same for shapiro though.

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>>135590858
YUREEE A RAYCISS, JUST GOOGLE IT

>>135611677
Except shapiro has sound arguments that aren't based on fallacious premises. Cenk falsely accused him of using a strawman within the first 10 minutes. He never even used a strawman, and that's one example of many that Cenk was trying to misdirected audiences attention and misrepresent his opponent. It's dishonest debating and that's why Ben has been able to fuck up all his opponents. He directly attacks them instead of entertaining their false narrative.

However I think in a conventional debate Ben would be restricted by the organization. He seems to do better when he can freely work around his opponents and engage then in back and forth one liners by asking them questions where they lead themselves down a trap. For reference, look up his flawless 4min debate with Sally Kohn. He got her to admit something she shouldn't have and her entire argument crumbled right in front of her and she was at a loss for words. He did this again with the minimum wage debate in Washington and again with the black lives matters debate

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>>135590858
>First of all Welcome to the Thunder Dome
He actually said this retarded shit at a political debate

>>135611677
https://youtu.be/RyC0GbsEKIA

>>135612525
What did he mean by that?

>>135612604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQy-0SzshA

>>135590858
Ben won. But Cenk held his own in Healthcare and Tax debates. His double standard issues during the corruption debate with the media and money resulted in a loss. Then he got completely picked apart when he brought up the southern plan. Ben was ready for that one and it showed.

I wouldn't debate Ben if he told me rain was dry.

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>>135591425
>gunk yogurt

>>135591231
This so much

>>135612706
Haha damn

>>135591231
u forget the part he started chanting "USA USA USA USA "

>>135598343
But, free healthcare!!!

>>135600333
this

I can't take anything that fat ugly roach says seriously either. All I hear are Crowder's impressions of him when he speaks

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>>135590967

Fuck off back to cripplechan faggot.

Honestly the topics they were discussing (mainly healthcare) are so easy to defend from a liberal perspective and much harder to defend from a conservative/lolbertarian one.

So Chunk did way better than he should have even though I think Ben did a great job of rebutting him
I'm just mad they didn't discuss ANYTHING else because Ben would have crushed there. You could see this the moment they started discussing identity politics.

Even if you thought Ben won anyone saying that Cenk got BTFO clearly didn't watch the same debate as I did.

Ben had some extremely shitty points / techniques that need to be pointed out:

>Reductio ad absurdum strawman against Cenk's tax rate points

>We shouldn't get rid of money out of politics because media is biased. And you can't PROVE that politicians are bribed.

>trickle down economics works

>The southern strategy is a myth

>general libertarian shilling

>kept asking Cenk questions in an attempt to trip him up

Also, Cenk came off as more knowledgeable about economics (he probably is since he worked in finance law).

>>135594822
>undocumented

Why do they keep using this word when the term illegal is much more fitting?

Is it because they're talking to democrats whose braincapacity is very limited so Ana makes it seem as "undocumented" isn't as illegal as ILLEGAL.

Cenk ABSOLUTELY destryoed that nasally kike shapiro on issues like healthcare, identity politics education

i was more impressed at how shapiro was able to fund the crowd to be shills for him tho

>>135617524
Politicon seems like an event a lot of fedorabeard libertarians would go so not surprising.

There were victories on both sides:

Ana absolutely destroyed coulter.

Ben Shapiro destroyed Cenk.
I didn't bother watching the Hassan debate

>>135598872
Let me tell you, health care in countries with socialised health care is MUCH WORSE than in the US.
You wait anywhere between 6-18 months just to get an MRI.
That's the reason health care is more expensive in the US. There you get treated immediately with the most expensive procedures there are if necessary.
In Europe you either have to pay for it yourself/bribe or you are put on an endless waiting list.

>>135617524
Cenk literally pissed his pants on stage, that dude definitely got destroyed by Ben's witty facts

>>135617874

except people dont go into massive debt for cancer treatments like they do in the USA. what do you think the whole premise of Breaking bad was about?

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>Cenk trying to start a USA USA USA chant

>>135618003

>Ben
>witty
>autistically screeching very fast at your opponents during a debate is considered "witty"

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>>135617874
Not true.

>>135617874

this is regurgitated fox news meme talking points LMAO

I'm watching it now. The fat brown guy on the left is getting BTFO.

>>135618023
Oh they massively charge you if you have no health insurance or treatment is refused.
Health insurance is only affordable for those who have a job.
You have no job or do not qualify for welfare and get sick? You are fucked. (that isn't a rare thing to happen)
Only difference is that in the US you will actually get state of the art treatment, in Austria for certain categories of cancer they just refuse treatment because survival rates are so low.
They wont even try! You just get morphines and are left to die.

If I ever had some serious health issue I'd certainly pay for treatment in the US.

>>135590858
Feels over facts for the libshits. It's Rules for Radicals type shit, they can never admit when their side actually loses. I've noticed that this is the one thing that truly separates left from right. Most conservatives can man up and admit a loss when they suffer one, or admit if one of their points has been proven false, but you'll never ever see that from a demcuck, never. It's kind of sad at how obvious and transparent it has become.

Anyway you're right of course, Chink objectively lost, no argument can be made, he was a bumbling idiot who backpedaled repeatedly and made weak arguments.

>>135590858

The loser is the one interrupting the other guy.

>>135618023
You're basing your political ideological views off a fucking TV series m8?? lol how dumb do you have to be. U.S. has the best health care available. U.S. is ranked 37th or whatever because it's not available for everyone. (dumb way to rank things) But bitch that's the price you pay. If you try to please everyone, you'll end up fucking over everyone (sounds like communism)

>>135590858
Fifteen minutes in and Cenk is getting fucking destroyed. He isn't in Ben's league

>>135618438
jesus christ what is he, 5'3?

>>135618438
is he really tiny? is that why he never learns?

>>135618228
You dumb? I live in a country with socialised health care.
We simply don't get certain medications for treatment.
There's now a treatment for Hepatitis C infected persons that will fully heal them in 100% of cases. What does our gov do?
Only those in an advanced stage (very damaged liver) get the treatment, all others have to wait until they are sufficiently sick to qualify.

This is just one example, but that's how it in general always works. They have a limited amount of medication and machinery and only those who bribe or know people are put in front.
Or you'll have to wait until you are sick enough or match some other criteria they've come up with to limit the govs expenses.
But NEVER the decision is made based on what the patient actually fucking needs. It is always made based on the limited resources.

>>135618320
>Feels over facts for the libshits.
Its a bit ironic when I see this post in /pol/, I don't think I've ever seen an argument here that dint boil down to niggers or some retarded conspiracy.

>>135618433
> ranked 37th
> not relevant

Sounds like you are the dense faggot , probably vote against your interests

>>135590858

links or i don't give a fuck

>>135618548
This. Anytime you bring up how red states are some of the poorest states in the union, they all autsitcally screech muh niggers like autistic children

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>>135590858
It doesn't even matter how well cenk debated, it doesn't even matter if cenk was correct on every point.

/pol/ is still going to shout: "Hehehe!!! the right wing guy won the debate XD" regardless of what actually happened

What did you think, that people are not aware /pol/ is a board full with dishonest far-right idiots?

>>135618438

HOLY FUCK HE'S SMALLER THAN BEN

>>135618661
I literally explained why the ranking is irrelevant. Name one country with better medical care. I vote for whats right which is in my interest unironically *sips drink*

>>135618718
Yeah, niggers and cheaper cost of living. I'd be ok with a 35k job in Dallas. I wouldn't take a 70k job in NYC.

>>135618661
also who uses the word "dense" like a fucking brit. I swear to god if I hear a brit accent on the 4th of july I know they're fucking teeth in

>>135618958
their*

>>135618866
What point is it to have the greatest medical care if it's only accessible to such a small contentrated wealthy population in America? Why do you like shilling for kike insurance industry and voting against your interests

>>135612288

The black lives matter debate was the best one he did. He crushed them, without mercy, and even had them agreeing with them that they were retards.

>>135590858
Very underwhelming. These two need another few hours to get into it more.

>>135619101
Why do you keep saying "against my own interests"? I'm rich bitch. Also the medical care is for people with actual jobs. Even construction works have very low wages but very high insurance covered by their employers (the company they work for). It's just when the health care is distributed to EVERYONE (working and non-working) that it gets fucked up. Thats called communism and it sucks you jew

Cenk absolutely CRUSHED Ben on a the southern strategy and identity politics point specifically. Ben was fumbling words to refute lmao

>>135617258

> reductio ad absurdum strawman

That's because Cenk's entire argument was that, if you're going to raise a ridiculous argument then expect a ridiculous response

> money out of politics

"I will spend my money on whatever I damn well please." And he didn't say you can't prove politicians are biased, he said Cenk had no evidence to back it up, and he didn't

> trickle down economics works

He made the point that that name was given by leftists, and it worked pretty fucking well considering

> southern strategy is a myth

The scope of it to which Cenk was arguing was. Cenk has displayed regularly he has no problem broadly condemning entire swaths of the population.

> general libertarian shilling

You mean shit you couldn't understand

> asking Cenk questions to trip him up

More like trying to keep him on point an honest because Cenk was drifting around like he was lost in space.

Don't ever say Cenk came off as more knowledgeable about the economy. His statement on the 2008 collapse made me facepalm so hard I needed painkillers.

>>135618167
You don't even know what the picture you posted means.

>>135590858

It was about a draw, maybe Shapiro slightly edged it.

Cenk was never BTFO, on stage he had a more human personality whereas
Shapiro was always in Terminator T1000 debate mode.

Cenk slightly loses because of the moment when he began haranging the audience on their lack of economic knowledge, while stuttering something about money circulating in an economy. It sounded like leftwing trickle down gobbledegook.

>>135619316
I mean seriously, the republican party themselves admitted they used racist strategies to try and win southern voters and Ben Shapiro was actively trying to deny the GOP was aiming for the racist vote

>>135591231
you forgot
> USA USA USA USA USA (please clap)

>>135619421
The crowd sounded like they were fedora libertarians paid by Shapiro to shill for him

>>135619450
ya back in the 1900's you fucking jew nigger

>>135619521
Keep voting against your economic interests, Cooter

>>135619101

> the 'you need to be rich for insurance meme'

Me in 2007, 36k a year, paid 105 bucks a month for health insurance with a 500 deductable and 10 copay in a great network, 10 dollar generic, 25 dollar brand name prescriptions

Me in 2017, 85k last year, pay 585 a month with a 7,000 deductible, 10% copay, shit network, and I pay 10% of prescriptions

Go.... Fuck... Yourself.

>>135619450
>2 random faggots trying to pander to niggers
>republican party

no

>>135619521
Are you really implying Trump wasn't pandering for the racist vote?

How dumb are you? Trump was not even hiding it

>>135619450

> One person said they did
> It must be true
> in other news aliens are coming to stick things in your ass

>>135619594
What job do you have, jew?

>>135619663
Are you really pretending Trump didn't try to win the racist vote?

>>135590967

go to bed cenk

>>135619656

> Trump goes after illegal immigration
> You assume he means mexicans
> You take your assumption and base your opinion on it
> Who exactly the fuck is racist here

>>135619590
You do know that /pol/ is mostly made up of conservatives. That's what I'm going to assume your assuming my interests. But yes I don't want to pay for niggers and filthy muslims?

We watched the same, but the difference is that Ben Shapiro came in good fatih, Cenk Yogurt did not.

That is why Ben didn't outright BTFO Cenk, because he treats others with respect.

>>135619693
see
>>135619711

>>135619711
Trump opened his campaign by saying: "Mexican are rapists and criminals but some of them are good people" instead of "Mexicans are mostly good people but some of them are criminals".

But i mean this is just the tip of the iceberg, we all remember all the pandering Trump had to the far racist ight during his election campaign

>>135619656
why did I have racist slurs in my comment...

>>135619821

If you're going to misquote someone actually misquote someone on a board that doesn't know you're full of shit and a shill.

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>>135619887
I was paraphrasing him. pic related is the exact quote, it says the exactly same thing

>>135619369
Cenk's argument was that taxes were very high when America was at peak economic growth, and therefore you can't say higher taxes are necessarily bad for the economy. He did not make the argument that increasing taxes always increases economic growth, so Ben's "Why don't we just make taxes 100%?" question was fallacious.

Go back to the video. Ben made the argument that money in politics is not important because of the New York Times and TYT. It was a shit argument. There's a world's difference between paying someone a million bucks so they will do what you want compared to giving them positive coverage.

>>135591799
It never works, why do they do it?

They just come here and see the truth. And no matter how hard they try, they can not wash all of the truth from their eyes.

>>135590858
I'm the most right wing guy on this board but come on
Cenk absolutely destroyed his opponent in this debate, he should be locked up for rape! That's the only way we can get him to stop ideologically destroying our positions :(

Theses (((libertarians))) assume everyone on here is poor and think that we're being manipulated to vote against our own interest. KEK

>>135619947

It's so good you can take it out of context, Trump was talking about the illegals that come up from South America and southern North America which Mexico refuses to even treat with, they simply push them through to us.

>>135620132
Like the poor can die bitch. Let's have a purge

>>135590858
it's shills. i think cenk was more after soundbites that will play well on other faux progressive channels, He had to know coming in that he didn't stand much of a chance.

Every Cenk response, basically: "Conservatives are warmongering corporate-backing heartless greedy morons who want to see innocent people suffer or die." And the only time Cenk cared for specifics was when those specifics helped him develop that larger theme.

That's why Ben was wrong to focus almost entirely on specifics. He should have fought the big picture view that the left has of the right, with the big picture view that the right has of the left. That's why it seemed as if Cenk walked all over him, because he focused in like a lazer beam on disproving facts, rather than trading blows with Cenk about how the Left is ruining the world, and hurting a lot of people along the way.

Ben could have easily won this but he's an autist who decided to fully nerd out. And who wouldn't at a politicon.

>>135619954

Cenk's argument was also based off a situation that Ben brought up that he refused to address, maybe you should go back and watch it again.

And there is a world's difference between paying a million and positive coverage, which is why Ben hit him up on that as well, what the fuck are you trying to say?

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>>135620188
He was talking about illegal immigrants who are mexicans and he claimed most of them are rapist criminals, which implies that most mexicans are also rapist criminals.

The racism in this quote is not even hidden, stop trying to defend it

Lol at the crowd openly laughing at chunky gogurt

>>135620443
My question is, is it the conservatives tossing out this bait to stir up a conversation or is it the liberals that get on here for shillings?

>>135620503
But most of them are rapists. Its demonstrable

>>135620503
Your comment implies I care therefore you're wrong

>>135604811
>>135591231
tell me about the velocity of money argument pls

>>135620503
Ya we don't deny it. We're racists but get over it you fucking nigger (speaking for the whole party obviously)

>cenk losing badly

>INSULTS THE AUDIENCE

>insults their intelligence

what a faggot

Did anyone notice how Cenk said, "... and Ben, for the 88th time, we have to find a balance..."
Didn't know that 88 was more favourable than 100 when used in that manner. Is Cenk secretly /ourturk/?

>>135620503
>>135620503

> argues a point
> counterargument that point is faulted by lack of understanding of context
> continues arguing same fucking point

Well let's just assume he was shall we? Ok

What are the two words in the label "Illegal Immigrant"

Now since you obviously enjoy cherry picking the fuck out of everything when it helps your case and going word by word when it doesn't, since I'll even entertain wtf you just said, why don't you defend....

MS-13, the drug cartels, gun walking, human trafficking, the prostitution rings set up by human trafficking, multiple-conviction deportees, and the issues facing Mexico's southern neighbors that have largely contributed to the influx of illegal immigrants crossing our southern border.

But what the fuck ever, I'm used to leftists completely ignoring vast swaths of data, speeches, and mounds upon mounds of evidence.... But let someone who's not the best public speaker fuck up his cadence and then you decide what he meant without any context whatsoever.

Your style of debate is beyond disgraceful and I am done arguing a dead point.

>>135590858
We all know its ironic shilling just like OP, Cenk "The Armenian Annihilator" BTFO Ben "The shekel miser"

>>135590858
He should be genocided as the Armenia were genocided.

This fucker is still denying the Armenian genocide. Should be hanged like all those poor Armenians were to experience the non existing genocide.

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