Legitimately, why is universal (free) healthcare such a bad idea

Resources are not and will never be free.

>>135520477

Ummmm, what is air for $500 Alex?

>>135520405
You have to buy your own gun.

>>135520405
>John McCain
>Republican

>>135520405
The us government basically doesn't do anything well at this point and literally everything is politicized.
That is not a recipe for a good single payer system.

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>>135520405
Lefty memes for the win brother x) we def need to grab a drink sometime

Healthcare is the labor of another person.

Most places
>Get hurt
>Oh wow, that was not fun, let's not do that again

American Mindset
>Gets hurt
>Oh wow, so I can hurt myself as many times as I want & be covered? Kickass!

>>135520554
Tax money goes to "clean air programs", thus making it literally not free.

>>135520405
Because it doesn't work on a large scale. Besides, we routinely have people from other countries fly into the US for treatments because we have the best. Why would they do this if their system is so great?

>>135520557

Funny how the government supports our right to buy an item thats supposed to kill and injure people when in war or committing a crime to compensate for small anatomy, yet refuse to provide basic medical needs to the poor, sick and old.

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>>135520651
I haven't cringed this hard since the Hillary "whip and nae nae" video

>>135520405
>Why is it such an issue in America?

BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT HAS INTERNATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE DOLLAR STABLE AND THUS WE ARE TOO BROKE TO PAY FOR IT. Holy fuck, we're not like other countries. We can't go bankrupt and have responsibilities.

The world economy could literally collapse if we cause the dollar to inflate by passing universal healthcare, but you probably don't care because you're low IQ and only care about feeling good about yourself and collecting gibs.

>>135520806
>Funny how the government supports our right to buy an item thats supposed to kill and injure people when in war or committing a crime to compensate for small anatomy
They don't have a choice.

>>135520712

Taxation is a needed evil which is why anyone who evades it deserves to be beaten into a pulp.

You're telling me that you'd support brown, dirty air?

>>135520806
You can buy whatever healthcare you want

>>135520405
>Tsuyu
>Communism
Stop this horrid meme

>people with modest healthcare needs want a privatized system were you pay for what you need
>people with significant healthcare needs think everyone else should provide for them

Shocking, right?

>>135520906

Yes they do.

Stop gun sales and use the money saved from it to fund universal, free, comprehensive healthcare.

>>135520405
>Works in much smaller countries
There you go, you've established one of the main working criteria for universal healthcare. Providing "free" healthcare for over 300 million people would cause massive strain on the infrastructure due to costs, the availability of employees, the type of injuries that people would exploit the health system for and among others. It is simply not feasible. The biggest detriment is the effect it would have on medical personnel's health. They need care as well, they aren't invincible.

>>135520405
>Pay hella taxes for abortions and genital mutilation
>BUT IT'S FREEEEEE GOY

>>135520806
you're not entitled to another person's labor

>>135520915
No, what I am telling you is air is not actually free, as was claimed.

>>135520915
>Being this much of a brownnose
Embarrassing

>>135520405
You're free to buy guns and you're free to buy healthcare.

>>135520405
We believe in the individual's freedom to purchase guns. We also believe in the individual's freedom to purchase healthcare. What was the point of the meme?

>>135520930

She's a liberal, not a conservative or communist.

Do you think she would have voted for a racist, orange, immature poopface with a fat arse?

>>135520405

>Passes universal healthcare in the US
>US dollar hyperinflates, devaluing hundreds of countries that peg to it to ensure their currency is stable
>mass global famine

THIS IS WHY COMMUNISM (and socialism) NEVER WORKS

>>135520405
>have to pay for guns
>have to pay for healthcare
where's the inconsistency?

>>135520405
Positive right vs negative right.

It is peoples' natural right to own a weapon. Not being able to take away someone's natural right is a negative right. It requires no effort or resources.

On the other hand, paying for some tranny to get a dick chop or for Tyrese to get surgery after being shot robbing a store or for some 80 year old to get their 20th heart transplant, requires a large amount of resources and isn't beneficial to society as a whole because it redistributes wealth from the fit and productive to the unfit and unproductive.

You're free and encouraged to go out and purchase health insurance right now.

>>135520405
the nations where it worked where homogenous white and devoid of degenerate fags, trannies and other aids hives

>>135520405
You never read shit, so it's pointless to post in these threads.
Jobs, basically. According to NPR one in eight people work in healthcare. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/19/148939366/u-s-health-care-workforce-larger-than-ever
So, now all those people become government workers. But we don't need that many, so half are laid off. That's one in four people. What do you do with unemployed doctors, nurses? Massive unemployment? Can't afford it. It would create a housing crisis (even doctors and nurses have mortgages)
Blah blah. Not wasting any more time on an idiot who can't reason something so simple.

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Free healthcare is the skilled labour of others, a commodity rather than a right. Republicans do support the rights of people to obtain healthcare however, which is a right. The right to own weapons is a right, not a demand for free guns or some other form of commodity. Very simple.

>>135521209
Archive or screenshot please https://archive.is/UafHE

>>135520405
>freedom to buy your own nerf guns
>but no freedom of government buying you juice?

This just the retarded thing ever.

>>135520983
>Stop gun sales and use the money saved from it to fund universal
Specifically how much money would be saved?

>free
There is that word again. It would not actually be free.

>comprehensive healthcare.
What specifically leads you to believe the federal government as currently composed under Donald trump would do a good job administering this?

>>135520806
This cunt. "The government allows you to buy something...so they should be forced to provide something unrelated."

>>135521029

Uhhh yes I am since doctors CHOSE to be doctors to serve the people, no matter their payment ability (see the Pythagorean Oath). If they don't like it, then either they go to jail for negligence or don't become doctors.

It isn't a field for snowflakes.

>>135521030

Oh yeah, I forgot to pay the toll whenever I breathe sometimes....

>>135520651
lol they're fucking shit.

Always the same old "Question" based posts with the anime pic and stupid expression, or the stupid "Consider the following" ones.

Desperately trying to fit in, which makes you stick out like a sore thumb.

Fuck off, pansies.

>>135520405
>smaller nations
>america

Fucking kys
I'm not paying for some grape drank ass niggers diabetes treatment

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Say you only go to the hospital 1-4 times a year, but there's a obese lard man that goes there all the time, and needs ridiculous amounts of medication. You are funding his retarded life style, going out of your own pocket.
You'd pay so much less if there isn't "free health care".

I fucking hate this meme.

>>135520806
Because universal healthcare isn't "provided by the government", just distributed. The resources necessary for universal healthcare are provided by tax payers, without their consent. Funny enough the people who advocate universal healthcare the most are those who would contribute the least to this system. The poor, the sick, the lazy. We have this thread every day. Sage.

>>135520405
>smaller nations
You answered your own question.

>>135520405
There are a few people who are legitimately anti-statism who are truly committed to small government.

Most, however, are just fine with mass surveillance and torture. These fuckers just want to keep poor people poor on principle, and don't really care about "big government". They really are just awful people, as far as I can tell. Even though universal healthcare would save money, it's not worth the loss of power that making people's lives better would entail.

>>135521185

Like Sweden? But you racists with small dicks told me that it was full of Muslims!!!

Which fake agenda will you promote? Because you can't promote both kinds of woo-woo at the same time!!

>>135521338
>Pythagorean Oath
Made me lol

>>135521376

Yeah because letting him die on the street is soooo much more humane, right?

Idiot.

>>135520405
>Republican
>John McCain
Pick one... the boy is a fucking RINO

Also, the PEOPLE don't want it. The healthcare scam was always being pushed to the people through Republicans and Democrats, but voters hated it. But once king nigger pushed the scam, the nigger voters wanted it. Now they all regret it. There's a liberal Somalian at my job that talks about how terrible Obamacare is every fucking day. His pills he needs costed 65 dollars before Obamacare, now they cost 3000 dollars.

If you're talking about a single-payer system, it's probably better than Obamacare, but you're just opening another can of worms. The government fucks up EVERYTHING they touch.

>>135521338
>Pythagorean Oath

Topkek.

You're a LARPing, either 15 and don't understand the world yet, or are utterly retarded. In case it was one of the latter two--
it's the Hippocratic Oath.

There is t a government guns program is there? If so let me know know!

>>135520405
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>>135520405
You are oversimplifing things. You have the freeedom to buy insurance, just like i have the freedom to buy a gun. If you believe that freedom to healthcare includes tax payers to pay for it, then you also believe that tax payers should pay for my guns.

>>135521376
I literally haven't been to the hospital in my life, I'm not fucking paying for some obese dindu to get diabetes amputations

>>135520405
republicans believe in the freedom to speech
but not the freedom to cut my own dick off.

>>135521531

Yeah - the government handing out free guns to criminals so that they can execute people is called "the police".

freedom to have guns doesn't mean the government pays for your guns you fucking commie

>>135520405
>Why is it such an issue in America?
Niggers.

>>135521512
I am an idiot replying to your bait I guess.
But there are people with this beyond retarded sense of altruism.

>>135521610
>t. a literal retard

>>135521558
>American logic

>>135520405
Because it costs alot of money. You end up paying for unhealthy people and drug addicts hospital stays, thanks to the tax payer.

>>135520405
The majority of medical innovations come from america and the reason its expensive here is extra liquidity provided by forcing people into insurance plans. In Europe they don't actually pay for everything they simply dont give you healthcare they can't afford.

>>135521338
>Oh yeah, I forgot to pay the toll whenever I breathe sometimes...
If you pay taxes (I have my doubts) you pay for your air.

>>135520806
>yet refuse to provide basic medical needs to the poor
they are poor for a reason

they make poor choices, probably smoke ciggarettes and drink booze everyday. Maybe they even do heavy drugs.
I don't want to pay their medical bill when they go to the hospital 5 times a year and i go maybe once but yet they get it for free?

NO FUCK THAT

>>135520405
"it works in much smaller nations" there your point right there

>>135521558

No. You have to pay for when the life of a child is at stake. I refuse to pay for your metal trash so that you can pretend to be Rambo in order to compensate for a small penis.

Two different things.

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>>135520405
stop bringing Tsuyu into this
shes too pure for this bullshit

>>135520676


People sky dive and bungee jump
The see something go wrong and person die...consistently

Repeats

People sky dive and bungee jump
The see something go wrong and person die...consistently
War happens
people say no war
then people go and fight another war
people say no war
War happens
then people go and fight another war

repeats
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So whats your fucking point troll.
You argue like a 5 year old
you ARE MENTALLY stunted and you live in your own world

>>135520405
>hurr durr why are guns a right but healthcare isn't?
show me one fucking example of the government using taxpayer money to provide citizens with their "right" to own guns. The government does not give us these rights, they guarantee them. In no way are they providing services at someone else's expense.

>>135520806
>the govt. supports our right to buy one item, so this other item should be free, of course

Huh?

>>135521531
The CMP.

https://estore.thecmp.org

>>135520405
It's a scaling problem. It works because they're smaller nations. Costs grow superlinear to number of participants. Even useless EU bureaucrats intuitively know not to consolidate member states health systems, why can't US progs figure it out?

>>135521827
No sweetie, it isn't different. I don't want to pay for you stupidity after you jump from a rooftop and hurt yourself just to post some "cool" on youtube.

>>135521742

So does letting guns in the street because of the costs associated with it. If we stopped the sale of guns from gun stores then a lot of money could be saved.

>>135521799

Wait, don't Republicans believe in small government and living whatever lifestyle you want as long as it doesn't hurt you? Funny how you Republicans care about lifestyles once your precious money is involved....

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Healthcare isnt built into the constitution

>>135521272
You've gone off the rails, nordbro.
They don't advertise or click bait, it's why I quote them.
You did the same when some one posted a Canadian .gov website yesterday. Calm down my friend. I know got are doing dogs work, but relax a little. Not every site is click bait.

>>135521720
That's how capitalism works. You want to protect your house, you buy a gun. You want to protect your health, you buy insurance.

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>>135521323
/thread and every other thread like this we see every day

You're either baiting or stupid. I'm guessing both.

>>135520405
When the government supply me with military grade arms and ammunition, I will agree that it should also provide health care.

>>135521883
This^
Most people don't understand that the USA is FREE and that we are born FREE to do as wee please and that we have laws to protect the rights that we are born with. The Bill of rights doesn't GRANT us anything. Its a Road block against those who would take them from us.
A.K.A communist otherwise known as DEMOCRATS.

>>135522029

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

So what does "life" refer to?

>>135520405
because healthcare isnt a right. Private firearm ownership is expressly guaranteed, not to hunt but to brain blue helmets.

>>135522020
You idiot, taking other people's money is hurting them. You're infringing on other people with your own bad life choices

You don't have a right to someone else's time and work (the doctor in this case).

>>135521523
It's 15.
You can always tell this little kids threads by the anime pictures that start this thread.

>>135522141
Source of that quote?

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>>135521098
Yes, Trump secured the frog vote hence why Pepe blessed Trump with the >>77777777 get. Why would she not?

>>135522094

We are born FREE but can't get FREE healthcare (a right)...

OK then, sure thing.

>>135521338
>Pythagorean Oath
Literally retarded
Sage goes into all fields

>>135521980
Said superlinear, meant nonlinear, i.e. Convex.

>>135522141
>So what does "life" refer to?
The government can't kill you for no reason.
Life=/=gibsmedats

>>135522271
You sound like a gibsmedats dindu double nigger

>>135522267

She's a decent human being, very smart, non-white and female.

Not common traits found in Trump supporters.

>>135520806
Again, the government doesn't supply me with guns and ammunition. The right to buy guns and ammunition does not mean the government gives them too me. When the government supply me with a military grade small arm of my choosing and the ammunition to use it, including regular practice sessions, I will agree that the government must supply healthcare.

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>>135521827
I know with 100% certainty that this is a canadian trolling for (you)s. But there are people that actually think like this.

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>>135520806
Really makes you think.

>>135522020
>Wait, don't Republicans believe in small government and living whatever lifestyle you want as long as it doesn't hurt you?
Taking my money to subsidize degenerates does hurt me, you fucking moron.

>>135522599

Maybe we should put cigarettes and beer into the same place where guns belong: in the trash.

You can't say that you support banning one without banning the others.

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>>135522426
>very smart non white female
>very smart non white
>very smart female

>>135522738
>You can't say that you support banning one without banning the others.
Sure you can.

Because they barely work once you pass a numerical threshold. Healthcare costs do not scale in a linear fashion. Two sick people is not the cost of care times two. Additional costs factor in. Once you scale that up paat tens of millions, the costs are fucking ludicrous.

I'm from the UK. The nhs cost 116 billion last year. It's one of the world's largest employers and its barely hanging together.

Trying to scale that up to a population of 360 million across an entire continent is fucking ridiculous.

>>135521512
>Yeah because letting him die on the street is soooo much more humane, right?
Yes, the fatass made shit lifestyle choices so now the fatass needs to suffer the consequences of those shit lifestyle choices.

>>135522834

I mean you can by practice but that's the wrong opinion. All three hurt and kill people. That's their purpose. Simple as that.

>>135520405
Your own argument defeats itself, by forcing healthcare onto people that is a mandatory purchase unless fined (Such as what Obamacare does) why is the government not doing the same with guns (You must purchase a gun or otherwise be fined).

The 2nd amendment maintains the right for you to purchase a firearm at your own discretion, with this in mind and in regards to your subpar meme, if we follow the same logic then you should have the right to purchase healthcare at your own discretion. Why is it that you feel that I should be forced into something that I may not want to purchase and if I don't go with what you want, Why do you feel the need to use the government to force me to purchase it under threat of monetary fine?

Also how does it feel being the type of person who would like to take money from everyone just so you can have a personal safety net, even when a large majority of those people do not require that money taken away from them?

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>>135522141

Your right to life isnt a promise to pay your hospital bill

>>135522738
Nope, people should be free to buy booze and smokes so long as they're willing to pay for the consequences of those choices.

>>135522924
>I mean you can by practice but that's the wrong opinion.
Who determines this and where is this information located for review?

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>>135522490
Yeah, he's definitely LARPing. No one is retarded enough to argue about the race of an anime character to win a political argument.

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>>135523167
Also, whenever I LARP as a cucked leftist I choose the UN flag or the European flag.
S A G E
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California was going to add universal health care. Total current state spending 200 billion. I'm order to add universal health care would add 400 billion to spending. Only logical if obama were running the state

>>135520405

Freedom of healthcare is not a natural right to be protected by the existance of a government. Liberals believe the purpose of government is to dole out rights and gibs. This fundamental difference is why liberals are considered by many to be mentally ill.

>>135523167

Yeah, "Tsuyu Asui" sounds like a very German name, right? Maybe Dutch?

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>>135523303
>saging while posting a picture
Anon.. I...

>>135520405
>Legitimately, why is universal (free) healthcare such a bad idea when it works in much smaller nations?

> it works in much smaller nations

I think you answered your own question there buddy. Also fuck that picture. You have the freedom to buy guns, you have the freedom to buy healthcare. Stop drawing false equivalences.

>Especially by Republicans (who are hypocritically 100% in support of free healthcare for themselves and the rich - see John McCain)

Yes, they have the reedom to buy healthcare and they fucking bought it.

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>>135523541
Stop.

>>135523468

Uhhhh last time I checked, healthcare is a right. You think its OK for someone to be left to die out in the streets?

>>135520405
Money.

>>135523513
Give it up. You had a good run.

S A G E
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>>135523541
No pic this time, you happy?

>>135523729
>Uhhhh last time I checked, healthcare is a right.
No it isnt
>You think its OK for someone to be left to die out in the streets?
Yes

>>135523729
>Uhhhh last time I checked, healthcare is a right.
Link to what you "checked" please.

>>135523729
Guns are a right specifically listed by the Constitution, I still have to pay for them myself.

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>>135523783
I'm always happy

>>135523817
>Ok for someone to die in the streets
Especially if it's OP's LARPing ass

S A G E
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>>135520405
>when it works in much smaller [RACIALLY HOMOGENEOUS] nations?
really ticks the tocker

>>135520405
Sage. I'm tired of seeing the same thread every day and need to know what is being slid now.
A: Gun ownership is not a burden on the taxpayer. "Free™" healthcare isn't just a burden, it is forcibly raping and impregnating the taxpayer with unwanted and unneeded costs.

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>>135520405
Because I don't want 40%-70% of my paycheck to go paying for free healthcare for everyone.

>>135520405
>smaller nations?
That's why in works, the middle-class is hit hard in the U.S. they alone are shouldering the burden to pay for boomers and niggers, and what ever other non working pieces of shit the liberals brought in.

>>135523817

Then you are an inhumane scumbag, a Trump supporter and a pitiful excuse of a "man". You should be arrested for holding such a wrong opinion. Your world sounds like one that no logical person would enjoy.

>>135524036
/thread

>>135520405
Why the fuck should I pay for some dindu and his twenty demon spawn? That'd be me paying for my own extinction. That'd be me paying for socialized healthcare in a multiicultural society.

>>135524228
Get a job faggot, pay into it like the rest of us than see if you still think the same..

>>135520405
There's a ton of different systems around the world that achieve universal healthcare. You're asking a very dumb question.

>>135520405
>Free

>>135520405
Universal healthcare isn't a bad idea.

Obamacare is a good idea implemented terribly. It punished responsible adults who already had private healthcare. Obamacare TOOK AWAY healthcare plans from American citizens. That's why people hate it so much.

Universal healthcare shouldn't take healthcare away from people like Obamacare did.

>>135524228
how many homeless people have you given money to today? Must be expensive to do this everyday.

>>135523541
sauce?

Republicans believe in the freedom to buy both, or either, or neither.

>>135524228
>People should be imprisoned for believing it isn't their responsibility to subsidize other people's shitty decisions
Get a job and pay for your own shit you lazy cuck

>>135520405
>what are positive and negative rights

>FREEDOM to buy weapons
>FREEDOM to BUY healthcare

>>135520405

These single payer nationalized healthcare services were established decades ago when these countries were near 100% white.


Singlepayer healthcare is going to collapse in France because of the black Africans and Muslim they import.

>>135520405
40 million niggers.

>>135521512
arguably yes
It may be better to let his suffering end than to condone a system where he must suffer the pain of continued existence, and others have their own livelihood essentially stolen to fund it
I know it's hard to accept but yes, sometimes death is humane and better for the person dying and everyone around them

>>135522020
are you retarded or something?

why would you want to pay for some strangers healthcare? remind you that the stranger contributes NOTHING to society and uses all the tax payer money that is supposed to go back to tax payers to help with their addictions and other health problems related to their poor life choices.

If you aren't working and paying taxes you shouln't get shit! Unless you are physicaly or mentaly unable to work from birth or a severe accident.

>>135523729
>You think its OK for someone to be left to die out in the streets?
yes.
yes i do.

poor people make poor choices. Get over it kid.

toughen up or your pussy is going to get pounded in the real world.

>>135525451
There is actually some truth to that statement, racism aside.

People that come from 3rd world countries or are marginalized groups will have a shit ton of untreated health issues that require care. They don't pay taxes, and most likely will never be able to pay for the care they receive in their lifetime through taxation; they are a net drain on the healthcare system.

>>135522141
Exactly what it says.
If you go to the hospital with a life-threatening condition, doctors will take care of you.

>>135520405
it isn't free, genelets and niggers are a burden and should not be subsidized to even live kys

>>135525975
don't confuse the government's responsibility with the HIPPA oath...

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Right to own weapons that can be used to defend freedom, nation, family etc from anything other than moargun

Right to have someone else take care of and pay for my health problems because I shouldnt have to deal with that shit

Full retard

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i cant believe i replied to this troll

Nobody could be this retared irl

>>135522141
It means that you can't be killed.

>>135521512
Yes, indeed. Letting someone suffer is inhumane, if it dies he stop suffering.

>>135520405
it's not free taxes will triple

>>135520405
"Free"

You realize someone is paying for it right?It just isn't you.

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>>135520405
Healthcare isn't a freedom dumbass

>>135525914

OK so then burn your house down and then tell me that it was your "poor choice" that led you to being homeless.

Idiot.>>135525914

>>135525914

So then go let someone burn your house down and then tell me that it was your "poor choice" that you to being homeless.

Idiot.

>>135527002
>Let your house be burned by someone

The word "Let" implies that you had the chance to stop it but you didn't. You take a poor decision, because you let someone take your property away

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>>135520405
>A well regulated Healthcare, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep insurance, shall not be infringed.
>Like guns you still have to pay for it

Don't you non-americans have another patient with a curable disease too kill

>>135527251

So then suppose they had an illegal gun or an illegal knife. What then? Idiot.

>>135527457

Uhhhhh who is one of the fattest, cancer-ridden "countries" on Earth? That was just one silly little case up here, we were at a temporary bed shortage that was solved by government intervention. Big deal.

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>>135521338
this is good bait

>>135526921
>OK so then burn your house down
why would i do that?
lmao
you are fucking retarded.
>So then go let someone burn your house down
why would i do that?
and if my house did get burned down i have insurance that I pay for that will get me a new house because I PAYED FOR MY OWN INSURANCE.
I also have money in the bank because im not a useless fucking leech to society.

you are clearly underage

>>135527461
You should had have a legal gun then, or a way to defend your rights. Maybe call the police, or had insurance for your house.Think more than 2 minutes in the future

>>135520900
Fuck the petrodollar, let it burn. I'd rather stay alive and let the American Emprie fall.

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>>135520405
>freedom = free

kill yourself. Now.

>>135526093
It's just not the Hippocratic Oath, hospitals are not legally allowed to turn people in mortal danger away.

>>135520405
freedom to own guns doesn't make you get free weapon from gov you retard...

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>>135520405
>freedom to

>>135520806

You are free to purchase what ever healthcare you like.

>>135520405
>when it works in such smaller nations
You answered your own question. It doesn't work here for a variety of reasons.
Hell, half the reason all those European countries can have it is because their pathetically small militaries are made up for by American support. You think they'd keep their military spending down if they had only themselves to face off Russia with?

>>135520405
The reason why many are hesitant is because of the culture of the United States. It is not ethnically homogeneous. Thus, it is a "You do your thing, I do my thing". US is supposed to be an "a la carte" system, where you pick and choose what you want. While universal healthcare sounds great on paper, in practice it is terrible. What exactly would be covered in this system? Routine checkups? Abortions? Organ transplants? Sex change operations?

What if the person receiving a new liver has been an raging alcoholic, and damaged it on his own accord? What if a teen needs to go to the hospital for an OD or for another teen pregnancy? Should his bad decisions be subsidized by the public?

Should we subsidize Tyrone when he gets into a shooting and suffers trauma for it?

I'm sure that if people find agreement in what should be covered, and what shouldn't be covered, a universal healthcare would be greatly supported. But the very fact that this isn't the case due to the culture and idea of the US, means that universal healthcare wouldn't ever happen, like in Europe or Australia.

>>135520405
You are free to own property, you are not free to own the labor of another human.

>>135530197
This is true as well. But to play Devil's advocate, aren't the hospital workers compensated by the government? Furthermore don't doctors take on an oath to not deny healthcare to someone who needs it?

>>135520405
Every fucking time I see this pic I burst out laughing.
>freedom to healthcare
Pffhahaha. This has to be a false flag. Else I want my freedom to a McTank.

>>135520405
Americans don't have the right to a free gun
Nor do they have the right to free healthcare
Fuck off, kike shill

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Enslave the doctors.

>>135520405
It is a problem in smaller nations especially now that they are importing worthless niggers. The US just has the most worthless niggers of all western nations.

Socialized healthcare redistributes the cost of lifetimes of sloth, gluttony, and vice to those who actually take care of themselves. It is unethical, and without a culture promoting personal accountability, unsustainable. Too many people do not understand that most health problems are self inflicted, and too weak to make the changes they know that they should.

You have too much diversity. I'm saying it quite simply, not as a racist "muh multiculti" /pol/ thing (even if I am one). Basically, universally free healthcare has only ever worked in small, homogenous countries formed of similarly genetic people with similar culture.

Healthcare, in its basest explanation, is a response to exposure to the environment of a specific organism. When you add in different organisms and different types of exposure, you change the needs and types of healthcare.

When you have a country of nordic people who eat largely the same cuisine, have largely the same leisure and hygiene habits you can apply a basic level of healthcare needs close enough to reality to avoid problems.

What you have is a huge federation of states where, even if you discount the differences in races and national culture, you still have a HUGE difference from state to state. Do white people in Arkansas or Missisipi have the same eating and hygiene habits as New York whites? Hell, do people in two similar states as regards development still have similar CLIMATES and environments? That's the actual true base stupidity of US universal heatlhcare. It shouldn't even be discussed at that level, all you should ever even consider is state-wide healthcare.

But you're all too brainwashed, so it's incredibly easy to avoid the topic of actual heatlhcare just by talking to you all day about "universal healthcare" and listing arguments for both sides, so both sides can't actually make up their own and end up picking up whatever (((they))) decide you should. Too bad, you could have a great nation if you weren't so heavily indoctrinated.

I don't want any of this single payer for capitalist bullshit scam. NATIONALIZE healthcare completely. No more non-government hospitals, private doctors, pharmaceutical corporations, or health "insurance" companies. Total control of the means of healthcare production is the only way to contain costs. We can't afford to let hospitals decide who competes with them. We can't let corrupt trade unions decide who can instruct doctors or how many people can become doctors. We must not allow doctors to ration care or leave the profession. Healthcare doesn't have to be prohibitively expensive, but in order to change that you've got to get all the rats out of the crib.

>>135533757
Thank you. This.

You are free as in freedom to own a gun, the gun isn't free as in free beer. You still have to buy the gun.

>>135520806
day of the rake™ is coming soon. show us your real flag you faggot.

>>135520651
>>135521349

Is this really an established lefty meme? I thought it was a parody all along.

>>135520405
Wait, are you actually fucking retarded?? Republicans believe you shouldn't be forbidden from using YOUR OWN damn money to buy guns. They don't believe in the right to get SHIT FOR FREE. Can't you read the stupidity in your own argument? You can't have a "freedom" to get to free stuff. You have the freedom to use the money you earn through hard work for whatever you want. Getting a service or an item for free is not a "freedom". A "freedom" means not being forbidden from doing something.

>>135520405
We've always had the freedom of health care just walk in a pay for it yourself like people do with guns. Your meme does not make sense.

>>135520648
Basically this.

>>135520806
The weak die first. Not saying the poor, because money keeps weak people alive, but literally if we kept letting the weak propagate, we'd all be weak. Also, kill the retards.

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>>135520405
No where in the bill of rights does it say you are entitled to free universal health care.

>>135520405

The US Government gives free guns to everyone?

Since when?

I see you changed the filename this time, same autistic OP though

>>135522020
Guns in the streat eh? So by your logic once people buy guns they throw them out on the sidewalk. That's funny because my guns are still locked up in the safe

>>135520405
>Why is it such an issue in America?
Because why should a white yank pay for niggers even more?

>>135522020
Last time I checked guns sales generate tax revenue and profits for small business owners. Maybe people wouldn't get shot everyday in this country if you cleaned up the crime infested inner city shitholes. But the dems have been running those places for decades and haven't done squat.

>Why is trying to implement a service that works for a country with 10 million people a bad idea on a country with 300 million people that are unhealthy on average?

>>135520405
>universal healthcare works

I have two words for you...

"Charlie Gard"

>>135534989
You wish drumpling ;)

>>135522271
Because it still isn't free, you think the money to cover some 300,000,000 of a vastly diversified poplation in income can just pe pulled out of an asshole somewhere? Pay for your own shit I barely get along as it is.

>>135522426
You've propably have never met many trump supporters other than anonymous online shitposters and what to hear from conterfeit news network.

>>135522738
They tried banning alcohol before it didn't work very well, neither does the drug war, or a firearm prohibition. A weapons ban didn't stop multiple jihadis from mowing down hundreds in Paris.

>>135536377

explain

>>135522924
They are 3 inanimate objects that do not act unless they are acted upon. The only things my guns have killed is cardboard boxes and paper targets. The outdated bear doesn't jump out from the fridge at me nor do cigarettes jump into people's lips at night.

Every single fucking day the same retarded false equivalencies

I hope your entire office gets banned for spamming this board with your shit.

>>135520405
You have to buy the gun you retard. It's not like they give them out for free like how you want health care to be.

>>135537352

Long story short:

>child is born into the NHS with a rare, but arguably treatable (With experimental treatments, but there is a doctor here in the US who has successfully treated this disorder with said treatment; he will come into play later) genetic disorder.
>NHS decides that since there's no established mainstream treatment for this disorder, Charlie Gard needs to "die with dignity".
>Parents find the aforementioned doctor in the US and want to bring little Charlie here for treatment.
>UK Courts decide "Nope. Charlie gonna die. You can't take him."
>Big legal battle ensues over whether they can bring their own kid to the US for treatment
>US Congress even goes so far as to grant the kid permanent residency here, so he can get treated
>UK Courts start pulling the usual "Think of the children...see how sad Charlie is!" bullshit to emotionally torment parents.
>Eventually, parents get put through the mental/emotional wringer enough, can't afford massive legal costs to fight UK Government, and succumb to legal costs
>Charlie Gard removed from Life Support
>RIP Charlie Gard.

A bit lengthy of an explanation, but that's the barebones of it. In a single-payer system, you don't get to make the decisions on treatment, the government does...which also means it decides whether you live or die, by extension. They laughed when we said "Death Panels", then turned right around and made one.

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>>135520405
>Why are people in favor of the government not coercing people on X
>But are not in favor of the government coercing people on Y

FTFY

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>>135520405
STOP using best girl to spread your cancerous memes

>>135520405
>why is universal (free) healthcare such a bad idea when it works in much smaller nations

Because it doesn't work, it kills innovation.

Fact: US has the highest cancer survival rates
Fact: US has the highest number of medical studies per capita
Fact: US has most nobel prize winners (per capita) in medicine.

so take your socialism and shove it up your ass. maybe read a book or two to learn how to make an argument.

>>135540744
Oh and Fact: US doesn't kill babies when it's too expensive to treat them.

>>135520405
Nobody is demanding that professionals give their time for free to make us guns for free though, that's the difference. You are always free to buy health care, nobody is trying to stop that except the democrats you idiot. A right is something not denied to you, not something owed to you.

>>135520405
democrats believe in freedom, but they don't believe in the Freedom to gas the kikes?

Sage and hide

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>>135520405
Is the government giving out guns now? Oh wait, you're retarded.
Sage

The rich white capitalist elite will exploit the workers to their deathbeds. America is becoming less and less white so communism will be inevitable due to racist whites being the main reason why communism has failed. Because their inherent racism causes racial tension which grows in to class warfare and so undermines the whole socialist system. When America will be only 30% white that will be the tipping point for the great socialist revolution and the solution to all the current problems.

>>135520405
>i cant buy health care

>>135520405
Please stop making these. They are beyond cringey.

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>>135520405

You want healthcare? Then get off your fucking worthless ass and get a job you lazy piece of SHIT!!!!!!!

I think we should have a law that allows us to shoot parasites. It would get rid of our left wing embarrassments. Fucking low life retarded liberals. The fucking scum of the Earth.