Why don't men have a say in whether or not their child

The moment you stick your dick in a woman is the moment you lose all say in the matter. Don't want to get a girl pregnant? Then don't have sex. It's that simple.

>>135459651
>The moment you let a man stick his dick in you is the moment you lose all say in the matter. Don't want to get pregnant? Then don't have sex. It's that simple.

Justify your statement, fuckwit.

>>135459651
The moment you let a man cum inside you, you lose all say in the matter. Don't want kids? Don't have sex.

>>135459956
Can't keep your dick in your pants you deserve to pay for 18 years, it's that simple

>>135460092
>a man is pregnant for nine months

>>135460146
Can't keep your legs closed, you deserve to get stuck raising a kid.

>>135459512
Marry her before you stick it problem solved OP

>>135459512
Because women deserve all the of the privileges of being a man without having to accept any of the responsibilities. Men, on the other hand, deserve all the of responsibilities, yet none of the rights.

>>135460277
This, if men can't handle responsibility they shouldn't have sex. Get a girl pregnant you have only yourself to blame

>>135460184
Not an argument.

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>>135460146
>Can't keep your legs closed you deserve to pay for 18 years, it's that simple
>>135460184
Absolutely negligible compared to the rest of the parents and child's lives.
>>135460092
Even italy sees the flaw in your "argument"
>>135460277
A wife can still choose to murder your child, you cannot compel her to do it or to stop it from happening.

>>135460184
No, but he is stuck paying for it for 18 years.

>>135460352
Again men have only ythemselves to blame. It's men's fault society is this way

>>135460379
If women can't handle responsibility they shouldn't have sex.

>>135460477
>men's fault

Jews and women, Anon.

The woman spends more resources and time carrying the baby to term. Plus there's the risk of complications during childbirth

>>135460477
Again, women only have themselves to blame. It's women's fault society is this way.

>>135460550
You can't reason with a roastie, anon. She's probably pissed because some nigger left her alone with his niglet.

>>135460530
>women
>responsibility

Be a man and take responsibility. The reason the west is the way it is is because men like you would rather play video games and blame women for everything when it's your fault in the first place

>>135460676
>She
It's probably a beta cuck loser guy.

>>135459512
Men don't readily sympathize with other men. Women do readily sympathize with other women, and men also sympathize with women.
Thats what it comes down to. We see women as needing special protections and privileges even though we espouse empty rhetoric about equality. This tendency in our societies has been exploited by subversive elements for decades.

Culturally however people all around are totally bankrupt. A man should accept the responsibility of family if he knocks someone up, as should the woman. Today however we have people violently allergic to all forms of responsibility. People want the casual sex and they want to pretend that all risk of pregnancy is totally gone. We have several generations that have been deprogrammed from family thinking, and that cultural decay is central to this issue.

>>135460749
>women are powerful, strong, and independent
>women ruin the West
>still blame men

Heh.

>>135460658
>>135460676
>blaming the dog for misbehaving
Grow up. If you can't keep control you deserve to get fucked. It's not hard if you actually would just be a man

>>135460807
>Men don't readily sympathize with other men
Bullshit

>>135460882
>your dog bites somebody
>you're not allowed to stop it

>>135460749
Be a woman and take responsibility. The reason the West is this way is because women like you would rather watch The Kardashians and blame men for everything when it is your fault in the first place.

>>135459512
They do by choosing the woman who carries their child.

>>135461029
>when it is your fault in the first place.

Kek

>>135460882
>blaming the dog for misbehaving
Grow up. If you can't keep control you deserve to get fucked. It's not hard if you actually would just be a woman.

>>135459956
He is right from a legal standpoint, which is the one that gets enforced in reality. In America, when a man sticks his penis in a woman's vagina, his life is in her hands, legally speaking.

>>135460940
Like it or not that is a fact. Documented, studied, irrefutable.
A man observing another man in pain does not illicit the same response as a man observing a woman in pain. It lights up totally different areas in our brains. GWW has a whole series of videos on this.

The fact that men don't take other men's pain seriously is why basic rights issues are totally ignored. Its why there are virtually no male homeless shelters, but thousands of women's shelters. Its why men who suffer domestic abuse aren't taken seriously. Your shitlib opinions don't account for much.

>>135461112
>when it is your fault in the first place.

>Kek

Kek

>>135461193
I already know that. If you read the start of the thread you would see that I am asking WHY that is the case.

>>135461220
Kek, so now it's women's fault for having shelters?you sure you aren't just bitter

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>>135459512
The Modern man's conundrum: How do you find a girl who's slutty enough to fuck you bareback without getting married but moral enough to be against abortion?

You guys are fucking idiots.

>>135461490
That is literally nothing like what I stated. Nice shitposting.
You need to try a lot harder with your bait.

>>135459512
More to the point why isn't there dupoort groups for men that have had an abortion take place to have a big sook? Just because it's not their body doesn't mean they aren't traumatised

>>135459956
>Justify your statement, fuckwit.
You are in control of your sperm, dipshit. You are exactly 50% of what it takes to make a baby.

Choose wisely.

>>135461627
You said
>>135461220
>Its why there are virtually no male homeless shelters, but thousands of women's shelters.
How else are you supposed to interpret that?

>>135459512
You can always kill her.

>>135460146
>Can't keep your dick in your pants you deserve to pay for 18 years, it's that simple
>>135460274
>Can't keep your legs closed, you deserve to get stuck raising a kid.
Both of these statements are true at the same time and both can be equally be prevented.

Some people are just pissed off that women get a longer period of time to think it over before aborting it.

>>135460352
>Men, on the other hand, deserve all the of responsibilities, yet none of the rights.
You choose where to put your sperm.

>>135461785
Is your IQ sub 80?
>A man observing another man in pain does not illicit the same response as a man observing a woman in pain.
>The fact that *men* don't take other *men's* pain seriously is why basic rights issues are totally ignored.

Try harder, sad little /lgbt/ troll.

>>135460530
Lol i see what you're doing there

>>135461730
You are in control of your uterus, dipshit. You are exactly 50% of what it takes to make a baby.

Choose wisely.

Abortion is degenerate.

Stop sticking your dick in women you don't want to raise children with.

>>135461893
You can also choose where to get raped. Therefore, rape isn't even a crime. You wanted it.

>>135461730
And yet the woman, the other 50%, is allowed 100% control.

If you don't see the problem with your reasoning, you should unironically kill yourself.

>>135462003
I don't have a uterus, but I also agree.

Pregnancy is a two person action with two responsible parties.

>>135462076
>And yet the woman, the other 50%, is allowed 100% control.
no. You're a man and you're in control of your sperm. If you give away your sperm, don't be upset if someone does something with it you don't like.

>>135462219
>if you walk into an alley, don't be upset when someone rapes you. You wanted it.

>>135462022
This.

the problem is everyone treating sex like it's a recreational pastime. No. It makes babies.

Suicide.
Abortion.
Cannibalism.
Sodomy.

The four holy pillars.

>>135461932
Plenty of other people saying the same thing I am. Are they all SHILLS to? You're deluded

>>135462293
Can you stop it with your delirious cries of rape that are out of context and not a productive contribution to the conversation?

>>135462076
Thats the crux of it. Contrary to Feminist conspiracy theory constantly blaming the mystical patriarchy, men do not take men's side in issues along gender lines. Male dominated governments will unanimously vote against men on these social issues.

At a subconscious level due to biological imperatives we don't see each other as equals. Men will act to protect women. Even if this is only manifesting as winning political currency with a demographic voting block, its all tied together. Women's complaints and crying will be prioritized over men's on these social matters.

>>135462375
So are you genuinely admitting to being retarded now or what? You didn't make an argument against me. You radically misrepresented a simple statement I made, and I just rubbed your face in it showing you that you were wrong.
I didn't even say the word shill, nor did I imply you were anything of the sort. I said you were a sad little troll, which you absolutely are. You're just a sad faggot.

>>135462219
>no. You're a woman and you're in control of your womb. If you give away your womb, don't be upset if someone does something with it you don't like.

Your 'argument' also fails because you frame it as the man severing all ties to his sperm, but in reality he is still bound to it with no say in what happens to it.

>>135462459
No, they are relevant. You're arguing that men who make a certain choice should pay for it. I'm arguing the same thing, but with women. You just don't like it because it means you'll have to accept your eventual rape.

>>135462555
If a man has sex he has to face the consequences just like a woman does. It's only fair that way

>>135462293
A better analogy would be "I actively and intentionally gave the person in the alley way sex, and now I regret that decision and I'm mad about it"

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>>135459512
They should have a say and the court system should give fathers equal rights to raise their children.

>>135462619
Are you retarded? That argument doesn't work in reverse. No one has portable, detachable wombs.

Stop barebacking whores and your problems go away you criminal island FAS baby.

>>135462555
>Thats the crux of it. Contrary to Feminist conspiracy theory constantly blaming the mystical patriarchy, men do not take men's side in issues along gender lines. Male dominated governments will unanimously vote against men on these social issues.

>At a subconscious level due to biological imperatives we don't see each other as equals. Men will act to protect women. Even if this is only manifesting as winning political currency with a demographic voting block, its all tied together. Women's complaints and crying will be prioritized over men's on these social matters.

Do you have any ideas on how we can fix it? Will this problem remain as long as women still have the vote?

>>135462714
Nah, my analogy works just fine.

>>135462714
This. Men want sex and then complain when women let them have it. They can't have it both ways

>>135462798
Wrong. See here >>135462293

>>135459512
Because women have corrupted the law.

>>135462733
>They should have a say and the court system should give fathers equal rights to raise their children.
They have that right if the mother decides to bring the child to term. If you can court order a woman to bring your child to term using her body, then another woman can sue to have rights to your body and your sperm and your child support payments.

Men have power. We have the power to deny who gets fucked and where our sperm goes.

>>135462748
>That argument doesn't work in reverse.
Not surprised, considering it didn't work originally.
>No one has portable, detachable wombs
Utterly irrelevant. A woman is still giving her womb to the man just as much as the man is giving his sperm to her. If you think the concept of ownership can only apply to what is physically within your possession, you're a fucking moron.

>>135462658
If a woman has sex she has to face the consequences just like a man does. It's only fair that way

>>135463077
>Not surprised, considering it didn't work originally.

But it does. You act like some feminist sperm bandits are stealing your sperm, then dragging you to court for child support. You're an idiot.

>>135462798
This. Women want sex and then complain when men let them have it. They can't have it both ways.

The bullshit assumption here is that the guy wants the abortion and the woman doesn't. What about the rights of the guy to have a say in whether she aborts his child against his wishes?

>>135463054
>Men have power. We have the power to deny who gets fucked and where our sperm goes.

This. These people just want to have sex without consequences because they've never had any responsibilities in their lives

>>135462658
I never sad anything to the contrary of that, you sad faggot.
You don't have any clue what position you're even trying to take.

>>135462755
In life there are generally two ways you can do things. You can go with nature, or you can go against it. Generally speaking I don't think going against nature is the best route. Trying to train people out of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution isn't any small task.
If we still had an upright culture where a thing like having a child out of wedlock was stigmatized there wouldn't be this rampant issue. Restoring family comes hand in hand with restoring the culture. Morality is tied direction to duty and social responsibility, the responsibility of being an upright citizen includes fatherhood and motherhood.

It took but a few decades of media influencing culture to push things this far towards degeneracy, and it can just as readily be brought back. Media influence and its effect on culture is tremendous. Winning the media war is like securing the nuclear bomb in an arms race.

>>135463077
>A woman is still giving her womb to the man just as much as the man is giving his sperm to her. If you think the concept of ownership can only apply to what is physically within your possession, you're a fucking moron.
You really are fucking retarded aren't you? No one is compelling you to bareback random women.

No, women aren't giving anyone their womb at any time. You aren't going back to your barber and asking for all the hair he cut off your head. Yes, you give up possession of things all the time. Body fluids that leave your body are hardly property you libertarian psychopath.

>>135463291
The entire time you've been saying that men shouldn't be responsible for a baby but women should

>>135463277
>a woman accusing others of shirking responsibilities

Kek

>>135463387
Is your HIV medication making you hallucinate? Pathetic.

>>135463277
>Women have power. We have the power to deny who fucks and where our eggs go.

This. These people just want to have sex without consequences because they've never had any responsibilities in their lives

>>135463418
No the argument that men AND women are both responsible parties when it comes to pregnancy.

Babies don't form magically.

>>135460184

Women should be granted the right to abortion but men should also be allowed abdication for the same period that women are allowed to abort.

Unwanted pregnancies are usually by degenerate pieces of shit so it's better for the human race for them to abort anyway

>>135463387
The entire time you've been saying that women shouldn't be responsible for a baby but men should.

>>135463470
You and that other idiot aren't making arguments just by reversing the sentences.

>>135463154
No, I asked a question about why women are the sole decision makers in regards to pregnancy and received your retardation in response.

Stop replying any time.

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>>135459512
>Why don't men have a say in whether or not their child is aborted?


if you don't think society is skewed beyond logic

ask yourself why there is no male contraceptive

>>135463517
No shit, except women want to avoid that responsibility and abort babies on a whim. Meanwhile, men will be held responsible. Far from equal.

>>135463520
No, if you have a kid you have to take care of it, end of discussion. Men can't just go fuck everything in sight and then run away because they can't commit

>>135463594
You are too dense to see what I am doing.

>>135463520
>Women should be granted the right to abortion but men should also be allowed abdication for the same period that women are allowed to abort.
interesting but no for the reasons that you cannot require a woman to carry a child to term because of the risks associated to pregnancy and your time to choose was the time when you decided to fuck her without a condom or not.
>Unwanted pregnancies are usually by degenerate pieces of shit so it's better for the human race for them to abort anyway
Absolutely.

>>135463688
>but women don't have to take care of it, despite being strong and oh so empowered

>>135463611
>implying men would take it even if there was one

>>135463367
>Body fluids that leave your body are hardly property you libertarian psychopath.

And yet you still demand us to take responsibility for them.

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>>135459651
It's almost like... you've been conditioned to say that.

>>135463641
>abort babies on a whim

no

they want to CHOOSE

>>135463603
>No, I asked a question about why women are the sole decision makers in regards to pregnancy and received your retardation in response.
They aren't. Why are you this fucking stupid?

>>135463767

just shut up if you're a virgin or a child

>>135463793
Choose to abort babies on a whim. Semantics.

Women don't understand accountability.

>>135459512
Because they don't want the child. Any man that wanted children would do something about it, women are spastic and need to be controlled at all times

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>>135463742
Then what are you doing?

>>135463793
>Rape women on a whim

no

they want to CHOOSE

>>135460379
What if she poked holes in the condom? What if she drugged you in order to get your seed?

>>135463922
Hes trying to make the faggot seem absurd by mirroring their shallow arguments back at them.

>>135463291
>It took but a few decades of media influencing culture to push things this far towards degeneracy, and it can just as readily be brought back. Media influence and its effect on culture is tremendous. Winning the media war is like securing the nuclear bomb in an arms race.

I more or less agree with the rest of your post. The only problem is that our generation does not have decades to wait for a solution. The devastation to this generation will also destroy future ones.

>>135463876

sure they do

YOUR accountability

and if you think they will abort a baby from a man of their CHOOSING

then you don't understand the thread

>>135463769
Responsibility for an action and "property" are two different things.

I'm not asking you to take care of your hypothetical bastard children, I am hoping you're not that much of a fucking idiot to make them in the first place.

>>135463978
>believing this actually happens

You need to leave your mgtow forums and go out into the real world

>>135464037
This guy gets it.

>>135463978
It would still be the men's fault. She would blame men for not being omniscient. Women don't understand accountability and aren't particularly reflective.

>>135464059
>and if you think they will abort a baby from a man of their CHOOSING

>then you don't understand the thread

Kek, you're joking, right?

>>135463641
lol, if the baby is born, both the man and the woman are responsible for taking care of that baby.

If the woman aborts, both the man and the woman are not responsible for the baby because it's dead.

This isn't a hard concept.

>>135464052
The severity of the situation at hand does seem pretty hopeless, but this sort of media virus was slow to progress. It was a slow gradient from one end to the other. People now are pushing back against these trend in society and its a high energy reaction. Radical polarization isn't a slow moving mechanism for effecting change. We have that to our advantage.

>>135464074
>women can't be responsible because they can't give away their wombs
>i-it's not about the physical object b-but the action

And suddenly women are back to being equally culpable.

>>135464243
Of course it isn't a hard concept, but the law will always favor the woman and punish the man. That isn't a hard concept either. And it's the way of the world at this time.

>>135463978
>What if she poked holes in the condom? What if she drugged you in order to get your seed?
being less dramatic "What if the condom breaks" it's a risk you assume when you have sex with a woman.

Someone drugging you and raping you is a crime anon.

>>135464243
lol, if the baby is born, both the man and the woman are responsible for taking care of that baby.

If the man kicks her in the gut, both the man and the woman are not responsible for the baby because it's dead.

This isn't a hard concept.

>>135464433
>Someone drugging you and raping you is a crime anon.

Only if you're a woman. A woman who steals a man's sperm can make him pay child support.

>>135464336
If a woman has a baby she is legally responsible for it. What fucking point are you making?

>>135464514
No the man goes to prison for assault and possibly murder depending on the jurisdiction.

Fuck off retard.

>>135464552
Where are these feminists sperm bandits, laughing and counting their child support money?

>>135464417
>Of course it isn't a hard concept, but the law will always favor the woman and punish the man.
You choose to to fuck. And don't think it's some vacation with a huge payday for a woman to raise her bastard child.

Single moms are the dregs of society. They are horrible and ruin their children who then grow up and post on /pol/.

>>135464572
That it is entirely the woman's choice whether she murders the baby or keeps it, and yet the man is held equally responsible for it, despite having LESS culpability.

It is not a difficukt concept.

>>135464311
Not much solace on a personal level, but is still better than nothing

>>135464668
>Possible murder.
Yet you see no problem with abortion?

>>135464973
Once a man has sex with a woman he's giving up all his rights.

>>135464722
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/he-says-he-said-no-to-sex-now-says-no-to-child-support/1183449

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

It's called Google, Anon.

>>135464908
Yes, the man chose to fuck, but the law only chooses to fuck over men. You're ignoring the reality and looking only at your ideal.

>>135464973
>That it is entirely the woman's choice whether she murders the baby or keeps it
then pull your dick out, shoot on the sheets and murder the little bastard before she gets a chance anon.
>and yet the man is held equally responsible for it, despite having LESS culpability.
men aren't less culpable in a sex act to produce a child. They are equal to the slut.

If you don't want bastard children or your bastard children aborted, manage your sperm anon.

>>135465120
Once a woman has sex with a man she's giving up all her rights.

>>135465059
>Yet you see no problem with abortion?
lol, no. You should have been aborted you potato nigger.

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>>135464722

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/23/texas-man-ordered-to-pay-65g-in-child-support-for-kid-that-isnt-his.html

here, let's start lower in the barrel than that....

>>135465120
>Once a man has sex with a woman he's giving up all his rights.
don't be dramatic. Men have plenty of rights.

>>135465357
>Men have plenty of rights.

yes, the right to pay

and........

>>135465357
I was saying right to abandon the child dumbcunt

>>135465290
I disagree with the courts here.

>>135465120
>this is what feminists unironically believe

>>135465421
The right to not stick his dick in a chick if he can't handle responsibility

Can't handle yourself drunk, don't drink eat cetera

>>135465451
>I was saying right to abandon the child dumbcunt
You don't have the right to be a nigger and have lots of bastard children you can abandon. That's not fair to the children. No.

>>135465284
>No argument presented.

>>135465483
>this is what all moral and decent people unironically believe

>>135465357
>Men have plenty of rights.
AHAAHAHHAHA, not for long.

>>135465171
>>135465290
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>135465526
The right to not sit on a dick if she can't handle responsibility.

Can't handle yourself drunk, don't drink eat cetera

>>135465464

too fuckin bad

and that's the point

when the govt. decided that they would make the father's of these children be responsible for them rather than the state...the state relinquished itself of ALL responsibility, including the courts

>>135465559
Having an organ called the uterus gives you the authority to do with it as you please including abortion. If you get a uterus through the power of science I will help abort your retard potato baby someday anon.

>>135465705
>the state relinquished itself of ALL responsibility, including the courts
but why should my tax dollars go towards raising bastard children that should have never been conceived or then at least aborted in the first place? The woman is a slut and the biological father needs to be found and have his shit kicked in.

>>135465871

evidently

>>135465871
Stop paying taxes, dipshit.

>>135465709
>Having an organ gives you the right to kill.

>>135465994
>a man should be able to force a woman to do something with her body that she doesn't want to

>>135465871
>Implying niggers pay taxes.

>>135465994
I would love to take your pea-brained Irish ass over to Chicago and have you follow a social worker for one day. After that, you'll be as much of a rabid abortion advocate as I am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3anuIAgJmys

abort. Abort. ABORT.

>>135466105
>Implying a man can force a woman's body to do anything.

>>135466307
>People are shitty.
Nothing to do with killing unborn children. Just a fact of life.

>>135466513
Did some kid fucker Catholic priest tell you this, dipshit?

People are shitty. Better that they are aborted than live in this world and be a drain on life.

>>135466642
I don't believe in any religion. You don't have an argument.

>>135466105
>a woman should be able to do something with a baby's body that it doesn't want to

Face it, when you spread your legs, the baby should have more rights than you.

>>135459512
By dumping your cum you are handing over your consent to the woman. This isn't a Communist society so the means of production belong to the female.

>>135467056
By spreading your legs open you are handing over your consent to the man. This isn't a Communist society so the means of production belong to the male

>>135459512
Because it might not be yours.

>>135467653
Female infidelity should be ounished with death

Because the fetus is not in your body

>>135470646
It takes two people to put the fetus in her body.

>>135469175
How about male infidelity?

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>>135472842
SHHHHH don't go against the hivemind

>>135472842
No risk of fraudulent parentage and therefore much less severe.

Should still be punished though tbqh

>>135460184
>a mans wallet is drained for 18 years

>>135459512
Most abortion are the males decision. Girls say it's their body their choice, but they only say that to feel better about themselves. Usually when a girl tells the guy he would tell her to fuck off because he doesn't want to be tied down to a whore. She would then choose to abort the baby which mentally fucks herself.

>>135472842
All infedility should be punishable since it's one of the leading motives for murder along with money.