Why shouldn't transgender individuals be allowed to serve

They should be burned alive in public.

>>135410032
Why should transgender individuals be allowed to even live?

Have control of the house

Have control of the senate

Have an opportunity to repeal legislation youve being saying you would for 7 years

Fuck it up

THE ENTIRE REPUBLICUK PARTY BTFO

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>>135410032
What does this mental illness have to do with their ability to operate?

Furthermore, one of the treatments for gender dysphoria is sex reassignment.

>>135410208
Because they insult your notion of manliness, which is totally arbitrary and pointless, and that makes me laugh.

>>135410143
That is a good point except no it is not and you're an idiot.

>>135410032
What fitness metrics do they follow? Can they go in the swamp or in the field for days with a festering wound between their legs? Since they have mental issues, can they be trusted with firearms? Which bathroom do they use? Why the fuck even care for their feeling, certainly noone cared for mine when I served.

>>135410225
dipshit

you cant get into the military for many many reasons all far less severe than being mentally ill and chopping your dick off and replacing it with a hole you call a vagina

virtue vultures have no idea how hard it is to get into the military , how despicable it is that trannys would even be considered over so many others.

>>135410225
obviosuly if that will help them I have no problem. But they have to realise they are not whatever "gender" they transition into.
Furthermore if they have one mental illness what's to say they don't have another illness.

>>135410032

dsm5 was written by the same companies that wrote the aca

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No one should serve in any govt's military on another man's stolen die via taxes and if they fear for their life, liberty, and pursuit of property that isn't assaulting, lying to, stealing from, or cheating anyone should stop being nogunz, form a militia, or hire a PMC if they wanna defend their land and only their land which they signed and is recorded and recognized upon as theirs unless consensually arbitrating on behalf of another and only that other in defense

Ancap 1 reporting in

>>135410434
Getting into the military is not difficult at all. I could walk off and join the military right now. The military is generally the last respite of failures. Do not believe the brainwashing you are receiving, my friend.

>>135410458
Gender is assigned by society. If you think about it, having a vagina has absolutely nothing to do with cooking. And you clearly do not understand how psychiatry works. You last sentence is like asking, well, if he has the flu, how can we be sure that he does not have AIDS? If and when additional mental illnesses are diagnosed, sure, you can reanalyze the situation but disbarring people from joining the military based on something possibly happening is specious.

>>135410626
No one should serve to gain another man profit because they fear for their life. Fuck off with your nonsense.

>>135410434
Eh, if the meet all the physical criteria and have a healthy mental health, why not let them serve. I don't feel that being trans (although highly autistic) negatively affects ones ability to do their job effectivly

Lady Gaga explained this. A lot of Transgender people are suicidal and thus wouldn't pass most psychological entry tests anyway.

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>>135410032
>Why shouldn't transgender individuals be allowed to serve in the military?

Because if you are sexually confused, then you have a mental illness and aren't fit to serve.

Seriously, I'm surprised that I live in a day and age that someone even has to ask that question. Just proves that we should have purged the liberal filth decades ago.

>>135411021
They are suicidal because they are marginalized for arbitrary reasons.

>>135410821
>Gender is assigned by society.
Sure, but if you have a physical disability, like the wrong gender being assigned and it requires some form of medical treatment, you can't join the military.

>>135411077
What does this mental illness have to do with their capacity to imperialize? Furthermore, why is our concept of gender good, natural, or literally anything other than arbitrary?

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>>135410821
why should the military deal with all the extra baggage when they can just recruit a normal person?

>>135410821
The leaf behind every shitpost

>>135411205
This physical disability does not substantially affect one's capacity to lift a gun nor carry a bag nor anything else involved in the act of warfare. Not all physical disabilities are the same.

>Be trans
>deployed in iraq
>sitting in desert shithole for weeks
>havent showered in days
>unable to find time to dilate
>wound starts to fester and heal over

Thats why you silly cunt

>>135410032
Because the military is no place for mentally ill people with suicidal tendencies.

More importantly, because transgenderism should not be accepted or endorsed in a healthy society.

>>135411240
What is normal?

>>135411311
I am from the American South, unfortunately.

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>>135410905

Good point comrade, and when we send starving peasants to gulag because they fail to meet our 5 year plan and not listen to rich, fat central planning commission that is totally different and definitely not real communism!

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Umm haha why WOULDN'T you let the mentally ill (who have a suicide rate 20 times greater than people without their affliction) kill people with guns in psychologicaly traumatizing situations?? Bigots baka

>>135410143
Why? All the muslims do is get us stoned. You don't wanna be worse than the muslims do you?

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Military recruitment policy should be driven by military efficiency and mission readiness. If USAREC determines that trannies are statistically a burden to the military, they should be dropped.

Playing politics with military recruitment policy is a scummy thing to do. Obama shouldn't have made it a goal to allow trannies in, and Trump shouldn't have announced a policy change on twitter without consulting the Joint Chiefs.

>>135410331
Decent bait. But it's not because it "insults" manliness; we have women in the military. It's because they are literally mentally ill.

>>135411119
>>135411119
They're suicidal because they're fucked in the head, idiot

I noticed a lot of transphobic spam with questionable sources started just a few weeks before this became a national conversation. Was military preparing /pol/ in advance?

>>135411364
So after the dilation period is over, they are a-ok then?

>>135411408
How does the fact that they are transgender impact their capacity to shoot brown people? Furthermore, they are suicidal because your pastor tells you to marginalize them at every opportunity. Your notion of healthy society is fallacious.

Why are we not suggesting putting trans on suicide missions? Trans people commit suicide all the time, now they can do it for a worthy cause.

>>135410032
They shouldn't. No matter how much plastic surgery you get, no matter how many hormones you get injected... They are still biologically female. Nothing can change that. This means that they are biologically less stronger than males etc etc. Fuck the feelings settle for facts.

>>135411595
It started just after Mattis took charge and was talking about cutting military programs that have nothing to do with military preparedness. Servicemen already have to take hours and hours of sensitivity training.

>>135410821
>The military is generally the last respite of failures.
Is that why trannies want so desperately to be allowed in?

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>>135410032
At least they will serve as a human shield.

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>>135411215

>what's wrong with taking a person who has a high probability of committing suicide, placing them in high stress situations and giving them a gun?

>>135411430
The only points where the Soviet Union did not have a higher rate of growth than the United States was the post Revolutionary period and WWII. And I am not sure that many Native Americans nor blacks were that excited about America's 'progress'.

>>135411547
Ok. How does this mental illness, if it is indeed a mental illness, have anything to do with their capacity to be an effective soldier?

>>135411563
Not nearly as fucked in the head as you are, my friend.

>>135411421
Uh maybe a person that doesn't want to cut their dick off and live with an open wound.

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>>135411364
Post-op trannies have never been able to serve, and in a lot of cases the military doesn't even accept the gender identity of the tranny. It's the initial gender dysmorphia that's the question right now.

>>135411611
>So after the dilation period is over

It's never over, dumdum.

>>135411611
>How does the fact that they are transgender impact their capacity to shoot brown people?

Hard to shoot brown people when you've killed yourself, which trannies already do at alarmingly high rates.

>Furthermore, they are suicidal because your pastor tells you to marginalize them at every opportunity.

There's literally no evidence that supports the idea that bullying or social stigma is the reason so many trannies kill themselves. No other minority group commits suicide at rates even in the ballpark of trannies.

>>135411119
You realize people like you make shit worse for them, right? You are SO protective, obnoxious, and militant that you drive people away. You make people want to hate them out of annoyance and spite. This is the case with everything you stand for.

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>>135410032
Because if they look like anything remotely close to pic related, anyone would want to fuck them. Soldiers need to focus on their duties, not on buttfucking trannies.

>>135410331
>you're an idiot

A gulag can never tell anyone else he's an idiot.

>>135411787
Perhaps. I think joining the military is a terrible idea. But it is their choice.

>>135411858
You do not have to confirm right wing idiots' bias. Showing transgendered individuals support would go a long way in integrating them into society at large.

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You guys are taking the bait as hard as humanly possible right now.

>>135411753
Just a (((coincidence))) I'm sure. Good goyim... don't make the fat cats pay for life saving medical procedures.

>>135411119
>>135411563
>>135411863
If i may add to this conversation.

Trans people take hormones. These hormones put you back into puberty, except as the gender you are switching too.

You know what looks a lot like puberty in adulthood?
Bipolar disorder.

'Nuff said,

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>>135412011
you sound like someone who isn't at all sorted my friend

>>135411863
>And I am not sure that many Native Americans nor blacks were that excited about America's 'progress'
>Natives sold land for shiny beads
>Africans captured by other Africans and then sold to slavery, thereby being a major cause of it
Who cares about what some Natives and blacks think about American progress.

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>>135410032
No. you shouldn't force American soldiers to be I. Life or death situations with people that have a suicide rate of over 40%.

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>>135410032
This video addresses most of the shitty arguments being used to defend trannies in the military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jptUoiGHA&t=1049s

>>135412197
The military doesn't allow those medications during the service period, and they often are a disqualifier if taken before they apply.

That's the problem with a blanket ban like this. Trannies aren't being banned for the shit they are prohibited from doing anyway, they're being banned because they're degenerate and distracting from the military's purpose.

>>135412216
Think what you want my friend. What I said is true. Sjw's drive people away from the causes that they fight for.

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>>135410905
>>135411430
>>135411863
Wew, I knew you guys were bottom boppers, but this level of circle jerking, I....

>>135410032
The same reason people with diabetes can't join

you might not always be able to get them their meds

>>135411897
It is not an open wound. Your understanding of gender reassignment is terrible.

>>135411951
You can do something once a week without significantly hampering military operations.

>>135411980
Right, they do it because society has deemed them bad for arbitrary reasons. And no other group is stigmatized as much as trannies.

>>135412011
There are people literally calling for the death of transgendered people in this thread, and you are calling me militant? Oooooookkkkk. If I make people want to hate them because I am being logical and fair, then there was nothing I could have done. You can hate people all you want, but don't pretend you have a good reason to. What was I supposed to do? Agree with people who want death to trannies?

>>135412055
The Soviet Union went to space, while your country uh...produced tulips?

>>135412534
>>>135411430 is clearly taking the piss, man.

>>135412500
yeah, because they don't think.
and if you react to that without thinking what makes you think you're gonna make any better decisions? Hate only gets you hate.

>>135411323

Yes it does, because they require medication. If they can't get that medication, they have problems

People shouldn't be on the front lines who depend on medication. Especially if that medication is, by design, reducing their testosterone and muscle quality.

Taking medication with the sole purpose of reducing body mass and limiting testosterone does exactly what you said, affects their ability to carry heavy equipment, or people.

It also creates emotional problems and conflict for political reasons, it's best to avoid them. You don't want some dude hanging out with girls all the time. You don't want some dude dressed like a chick with implants hitting on guys all the time.

>>135410331
Tranny lover detected.

>>135412287
Natives sold land for shitty beads because there was a very good chance of the guys with guns taking it anyways. Even then, that is not a very good understanding of American history. Also, they sold fellow Africans because there was a huge demand for it. In essence, Europeans created the market.

>>135412334
40% is not 100%. Why should we disbar someone for something they might do?

>>135412622
I am actually content with my present understanding regardless because the logistics of the process no matter how seamless still can not justify it. You know the funny thing is regardless of how sanitary that wound is, I think you just pranced right past the CUTS THEIR DICK OFF aspect of it. Certainly not a normal thing to do.

>>135412622
Hide every Commie post

>>135412622
You can start by being honest about the reasons why they kill themselves and suffer from depression. It isn't just due to being "marginalized for arbitrary reasons". That's such a dishonest answer.

>>135412840
Ok, cool, no anesthesia, no pain pills, no nothing. You were the only one who mentioned front line, by the way.

The sole purpose is a switch from the male gender role to the female, reducing body mass and limiting testosterone is a side effect. Also, is the effect great enough that they are hindered too much? It seems like you are drawing a line just out of reach for the express purpose of barring transgendered individuals.

Also, what evidence do you have to suggest that people in the military cannot and should not hit on each other? As far as I understand it, it is totally allowed.

>>135412856
I love all people. Transgendered people included.

>>135412456
If thats the case then i fail to see the controversy

>>135412622
Are you aware of the fact that in the very soviet union you worship, from 1934 until the collapse of the union, homosexuality was criminalized and punished harshly with up to 5 years in a gulag?

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>>135412874
Blocking a medical category from military service isn't a condemnation of that group on ethical grounds, it's a decision based on the maximum efficiency of the military. It's not a social club, it's a warfighting machine that needs to operate as smoothly as possible from the ground up to win.

The biggest problem with this discussion is people keep referring to military service as a right. It's not a right, it's a privilege with extremely strict criteria.

>>135412745
Hate to break it to you buddy but hate will never go away. You can't get rid of natural human instincts, you can only suppress them.

>>135412910
Why is it not a normal thing to do? How would you be able to tell?

>>135413065
Feel free to explain it then. Social ostracism goes a long way into explaining it though. The effects of marginalizing people are very widely known.

>>135413065
the suicide rate comes from many factors including marginalization, though the main cause is gender dysphoria. To blame the whole thing on any one condition is pretty ridiculous.

>>135412083
That's the thing, we don't want them to be integrated into society. If you choose to chop your dick off and play pretend for the rest of your life you should be deemed to a life of social reclusiveness. Normalizing this mental illness is a slippery slope and is degenerating society.

paranoia is in the DSM -V too, you racist homophobe.

>>135410032
Because we shouldn't be encouraging mentally deranged behavior.

>>135413294
i don't believe that

>>135413152
>Ok, cool, no anesthesia, no pain pills, no nothing. You were the only one who mentioned front line, by the way.
Completely situational, not a daily requirement.
You wouldn't let someone in who needs psychiatric medication. You wouldn't take someone in who needs hormone replacement therapy.

You can't "Switch" the role of your body, it is what it is. All they are doing is taking drugs and getting surgery.

I'm drawing the line in a simple place. If you require some form of medical treatment because you are born with a misaligned gender, you shouldn't join the military. You have a medical condition that isn't acceptable for front line combat, sorry.

Either seek help to get your gender aligned correctly, sign up as you biological gender, or take medication, get surgery and do something else in life.

>>135413184
The Soviet Union was not perfect, nor is there any indication that I worship it outside of your calumny.

>>135413281
What strict criteria? Have you ever actually talked to someone in the military? You can provide a support network that will not only support transgendered individuals, but will support everyone. The rate of suicide in the military is much higher than in the general population.

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>>135413393
Homophobia is a buzzword, no one fears faggot

>>135410821
As a fag that just joined the military i can personally testify that there is a multi-day medical screening to make sure that you are fit to serve. and even stupid things like too may bad teeth can disqualify you so you have fun trying to get in since you said you can just walk off and join.

>>135412840
While that argument works for MtF but how would you go about justifying a ban on the FtM trannies.

After all they approved all career fields open to females in the military.

Which also doesnt help your reasoning for an MtF ban.

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>>135413170

Because transgender people still have an identity disorder which categorically places them at a higher risk of self-harm. When you enlist, you have to fill out a prescreening form of a couple hundred potential physical or mental factors, any single one of which could disqualify you. And the things that disqualify you change consistently during wartime or peacetime.

You can be DQ'd for having a bad enough driving or credit history. The military doesn't fuck around.

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>>135413152
Too bad, the world hate commies

>>135412622
Are you kidding? White people are seen as the villain and openly hated in all forms of media. If you are open with your hate of trans people, you will be publically shunned and most likely lose your job. If you are open with your hate for white people, you will recieve social praise. Nobody contributes the success of a person to their "trans privilege". White people are hated and demonized on a much larger scale while it is socially unacceptable to demonize trans people. Your little pets are fucking coddled.

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>>135410225
>>135410331
>>135410821
>>135411611
>>135411863
>>135412083
>>135412622
>>135412874
>>135413152
>>135413337

Could there be a more obvious, self loathing, fuck America, dick choppin tranny in this thread?

>>135413542
You have created a hole just big enough for transgendered people, and no one else, to fall through. You keep dancing around it, but you just don't like transgendered people. Do not pretend that your rationale does anything else.

>>135413379
How would you know who has chopped their dick off? If I cut my fingernails or my hair, how is it any different? Chances are, you do not follow every gender role that is prescribed to you by society. Are you playing pretend?

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>inb4 a Hitler reference

>>135410907
Talking out of your ass like a typical lelbertarian.. Transitioning soldiers would get an entire year off of deployments to get their treatment and sex change. NO OTHER GROUP GETS THIS YOU FUCK.

>>135413660

They're females. They can sign up, but they'll get sexually harassed and quit or fail the physical parts anyway.
If they need any form of medication, like testosterone pills, they can't sign up.

I wouldn't even go so far as to ban trannies. I'd simply make the rules as such
>No implants
>No makeup at work
>No hormone replacement therapy or pills

That would basically block all of them.

>>135413863
>ou have created a hole just big enough for transgendered people, and no one else, to fall through
That's because it's a mental disorder associated with being "transgender". It should be banned.

>>135413793
...yeah, you know, all those white people who are not accepted as CEOs, presidents, investors, leaders, etc. etc. You are publicly shunned because you hate people for no fucking reason.

>>135413858
Present an argument or fuck off.

>>135413687
>Trannies depend on HRT
>Military has always DQ'd people for HRT
>thus no trannies serving active duty
>2017 Trump bans trannies from military

Do you see why i see this as a non issue?

>>135413858
Am I supposed to believe the person in this picture isn't mentally ill? There is NOTHING wrong with their mental stability?

>>135413597
>What strict criteria? Have you ever actually talked to someone in the military?

Have you? Have you ever talked to someone who was disqualified for having asthma when they were 8, or who was diagnosed with clinical depression in middle school after a parent died? Or who clicked the wrong answers on the TAPAS test and was dropped for being insufficiently socialized?

Yes, the military suicide rate is about twice the national average. So the last thing they want to do is admit a group which is statistically guaranteed to increase that number. If there comes a point where that's not an issue, where they don't need to devote time and resources to sensitivity training or to special counselors or to paying out legal damages to people who feel they were abused, then they'll be allowed in. Until then, they're a logistical risk that the military isn't required to bear.

>>135413863
Trans retards get an entire year off deployments to transition and get treatment. No group in the Army is entitled to such level of care. Vets are dying and Samuel gets pushed to the front of the medical line to become Samantha ? Fuck off you delusional civilian.

>>135414107
>all those white people who are not accepted as CEOs, presidents, investors, leaders,
You mean the Jews?

>>135413337
I don't know if you're being genuinely dishonest with your conflation of something which can be kept discreet and something which is normal, but let me give you an example of something discreet but not normal. A man could, for example keep a kidnapped woman locked in his basement and never let anyone down there. Is that normal? If not how would you be able to tell? (Assuming he locks his doors and has soundproof walls.)
So now that we've established the ability to maintain discretion as insufficient as a litmus test for normality. I propose to you a different means of exploring normality. I propose to you the concept of the "average". Go around town and ask men on a scale of 1 to 10 how likely you would be to chop your dick off and sell it to China. I would guess you'd average around a 1 maybe 1.25 in what ever commie hellhole you live in

>>135414047
But that mental disorder does not have anything to do with their ability to operate. All of you keep shouting mental illness like that is your kill switch. It is not.

>>135410032
>Why shouldn't transgender individuals be allowed to serve in the military?

because if they're on serious drug programs they're too sick to serve, why shouldn't diabetics be able to serve? because their drugs needs make them unreliable in service, why shouldn't HIV positive people be able to serve? because their drugs schedule makes them unreliable, why shouldn't someone with lyme be able to serve? because their drug schedule makes them unreliable during their service

>>135413597
You support the Soviet Union which killed over 10 million people and you're worried about trannies not being allowed in the military

>>135414203
>>Trannies depend on HRT
>>Military has always DQ'd people for HRT

The military doesn't allow trannies to take HRT in 99% of cases, and that usually is the same as older servicemen getting prescribed testosterone therapy. The question is whether they allow individuals with gender disorders to serve at all.

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>>135413152
>a commie loves all people

>>135410821
>tfw rejected from the military

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>>135414350

Prepare to cringe.

>>135414203
Because you think roided out bull dykes are effective soldiers?

If you can't even take creatine without getting discharged, how the fuck is it fair that trannies get performance enhancers?

It can cost up to $232,130.00 (1) for 1 full work up on a person. This cost does not reflect an entire life time of medications and hormones. The cost is listed at a 3 year rate for the applicable drugs/hormones.

Pfizer's patent on Viagra is going to expire in 2017, which will open the market to generic version of the drug at a significantly reduced cost. To use this as a medication is a total red herring and not the point of what Dr. Trump said.

There are 1,429,036 (2) active duty members in the military, of that number 199,302 are women and 1,229,734 are men. If every single male in the military needed Viagra at cost listed on Good-Pills.com (3) each pill costs 0.27. So a full 365 yearly supply would cost $98.55 per person. So if EVERY male in the military took Viagra every day it would cost the military $121,190,285.70. (of course we all know this is ridiculous.)

However if you extrapolate the current transgender population as a percent, which is 0.03% (4), of the US population you end up with 42,871 enlisted transgender people. Multiply that by the cost mentioned earlier and you have a total cost of $9,951,663,800.40, of course excluding the lifetime cost of drugs and hormones past the first 3 years.

1:http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/finance/finxampl3.html
2:http://www.statisticbrain.com/demographics-of-active-duty-u-s-military/
3:http://good-pills.com/search?q=+viagra&id=1153&trackid=mnlk_s
4:http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/how-many-people-are-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender/

>>135414512
The military doesn't cover sex reassignment or hormone therapy, and neither are allowed during a service contract.

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>>135414512
>>135414648

see

>>135414472

>>135412034
who is xhe?

>>135414648
False . I'm in the army and we were briefed on gender reassignment. IT IS covered and after Ash Carter mandated it a year or two ago. You are given an entire year to transition and are non deployable. After the transition your DEERS will reflect the gender you wanted and will be graded to those standards.

>>135414648
What is Chelsea manning

>>135414107
>Not accepted as CEO's
You have a source on that? How many have tried? You don't think any trans people run any companies?
>Presidents
A trans person has run for president? When have they been prevented from running? Isn't Brianna Wu running for congress right now?
>Investors
Source on this? Anybody can invest. Money is money. You literally just made this shit up.
>Leaders
Plenty of trans people lead large activist groups.
All of your arguments were pulled out of your ass. You want to believe that they are so viciously victimized when in reality you idiots always blow shit way out of proportion. You think 4chan and twitter posts are real life. If a single trans person is murdered, you think It's some kind of epidemic That's destroying the whole population. You're reactionary, delusional, and dishonest. Plain and simple.

>>135414350
It impacts their psychology, the most important aspect of their ability to operate.

If they require HrT for their psychology, and they risk suicide or instability without it, they should be banned from the military.

You wouldn't allow someone in who is on psychiatric medication, you shouldn't allow someone in who's on HRT medication. It's the same thing. Anyone who thinks they can change their natural biology is clearly mentally ill.

>>135410032
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

They have a mental illness and shouldn't be allowed to serve at the same time we shouldn't treat them badly
LOL THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS LETS DEHUMANIZE THEM XD
NOW NOBODY WILL KNOW ABOUT MY RAGING AUTISM WHICH MY MOMMY TOLD ME ISN'T A MENTAL ILLNESS

>>135414925
>and will be graded to those standards.

So if you get your cock chopped, you get lowered standards for the PFT?

Hmmmm...

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>>135414794
I would rather have men who think they're women serving at full capacity than actual women in the military. They're less capable and more of a burden in anything besides rear-echelon administrative shit that could be done just as well by contractors and civilians.

At least a dude who wants to be a girl can still do pull-ups.

>>135414512

Yeah, but Viagra is a like a pain killer. It solved a problem. It's not a day 1 to day zero procedure.

It's like signing up with Cancer and getting your cancer therapy payed for.

>>135414925
Well, shit. Things have changed.

Anyone swimming in that many artificial hormones shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a uniform.

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I'd imagine frankenvages must be very prone to infection..you can imagine how many people with body piercings have to worry about infection.

Imagine being in the desert and getting a vag infection and not being able to do anything about it for days....

>>135414350
I think you've got this backwards view of how things are supposed to work. Why would a military or a nation want to invest in training people with a mental illness to do some of the most important work in the nation when those same resources could be used in training mentally competent men and women to do the job with a much lower risk of a breakdown

>>135415185
>Imagine being in the desert and getting a vag infection and not being able to do anything about it for days....

And the need for the dilator every day.

>>135415040
Oh and the army does not force you to remove your genitals btw. You can be MtF , with a penis, and just need the hormone therapy. Yes many NCOs started bitching about the integrity of the PT test with such policy and our BN commander essentially told us to STFU and get over it. I would love to see what he has to say during our next brief.

>>135410032
OP is absolutely correct but I'd be wary of basing any argument too heavily on the DSM. It is politically compromised and subject to future revision.

>>135415251
He's a communist, he sees everything as an extension of his utopian state ideology. He would probably want autistic people to be allowed to serve just to prove some egalitarian fantasy.

>>135414794
since when does a woman have a penis?
what the fuck is going on here?

>>135415419
>since when does a woman have a penis?

Things have changed since you took that nap, Rip Van Winkle.

>Insanity rules the day now

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>>135413924
And of course, this abomination is verified

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>>135414439
Does the military allow people with bipolar, major depressive disorder or schizoaffective disorder to serve in the military?

Ofc. Anyone with aspirations of joining up and have done research would know that seeing a psychiatrist or talking to your GP/PCP about your mental status is a huge red flag. Dont do it.

Plain and simple you want to join the military and become the opposite sex, you need to put your own personal problems aside to serve your country.
Then after your 4 years of service become a new person.

If Trump wants to help the military out he needs to start working on iniatives to help prepare and deescalate our troops with PTSD

Would also help sole the whiny SJW problem as most of their complaints are really just sublimated PTSD symptoms.

>>135414940
Exactly. What is IT?

>>135415418
What makes someone a communist? I know they will say "uhh equality for all you fucking fascist", but they know that shit isn't true. What is it in their brain and heart that actually makes them want to live in a communist system?

Holy shit the amount of retarded leftists and lelbertarians voicing their opinions without actually reading Army policy is astounding. Transgenders in the Army get an entire year off, do not have to surgically alter their genitals, and get graded by the gender of their choosing. You can not serve honorably under that premise.

You get an entire year off to transition while the average joe has to lube up and accept w.e shit deployment is in store for him or her, 0 questions asked.

You dont have to commit into the gender reassignment meaning all you have to do is pop some hormone pills, keep your dick and can essentially be a male graded under the female standards. To put this in perspective on a male standard I am 270. If I were to transition I would be a 287 on the female standard. When it comes to promotions that is a massive advantage and could be the difference between reaching my promotion points and having to wait months before points drop again. You can not serve honorably with such advantage . fuck that

>>135414511
I just want you to know that i don't care about trannies or the military.

What I do care about good authentic debate and discussion.

After reading both sides of the issue both parties need
To really think about the issue
Use some fucking empathy
On both sides of this debate mind you

>>135412083

The military is for fighting wars, not making you feel better about yourself.

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>>135415921
They're just super gay, is all.

https://pastebin.com/yNitU0eR

>>135416243
You shouldnt use emotions in debate period. We are too for gone for that. It should only be facts in any debate.

>>135416243
No. You need to understand that this is not a debate. Its liberals justifying insanity and calling it a debate.

Healthcare is a debate . Foreign policy is a debate. Tax policy is a debate. Forcing the military to subsidize gender reassignment, bend their regulation and flip pt policy to accept such insanity is not a debate.

The military is in the business of obliterating the enemy and ensuring their fighting force is efficient and lethal. The above goes against our entire mission and existence.

>>135413337
Your relativistic, personal interpretation/postmodern take on reality has no place in a functional society

I cant believe this is an issue. Fuck trasgenitals!

While we've got the transfags here, clear something up for me. Are there transexuals who's condition is mild enough that they DON"T need hormones or any of that shit? And if so, how frequent is this? Because they've been going off on how it's an absolute medical necisity, and that's why they need to provide it to prisoners and mandate it on all inusrance.

>>135416670
You shouldnt use them, but you need to address them.
Especially when we get our cue for debate and diacussion from journalists who depend on emotionally laden articles to pay their bills.

>>135413337

Obfuscating obvious mechanisms with "marginalizing people" is a very widely known, and used, tactic for papering over bullshit.

They're mentally unstable. That's it. If they weren't unstable, they wouldn't be trans.

>>135416243

>use some fucking empathy

This is from the dumb motherfucker, who can't imagine how kowtowing to very small minorities is damaging to unit cohesion, who doesn't understand that putting unstable people in stressful situations is a recipe for disaster.

>>135416334
That's a very nice fruit stand

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>>135410032
>Why shouldn't transgender individuals be allowed to serve in the military?

Because, as liberals keep reminding us, 45% of transgender persons attempt suicide and are thus mentally unstable.

Do you really think that suicidal people with massive dysphoria should be given guns and the authority to use them?

>>135411215
The Military is designed around a stasis, traps and women fuck it up and shouldn't be given the honor to serve.

>>135411863
They kill themselves in droves while they sit around at home. This is not someone you send to war.

Anyway its case by case now, like it is for people with asthma and other complications. They're quite strict.

>>135416958
There are lots of transgendered people who don't transition, or go partway, or who are otherwise happy with their lives.

Retard cucks like OP throw around DSM-5 like gospel but don't actually know how to read.

Transgenderism itself is not classified as a mental disorder. Gender dysphoria only becomes a disorder when it causes significant personal distress.

Based on cultural analysis of indigenous communities where transgenderism and things outside the gender binary are normal, it's apparent that transgender people in Western countries only have high suicide rates due to discrimimation. When controlling for that, their rates are baseline to population.

>>135412034
except in reality the majority just look like abominations and nothing even close to that

>>135418366
Cross dressers are not "transgender". Society does not dictate "gender norms". The ability to produce offspring through either providing a sperm or egg is what makes the gender division a meaningful abstraction. No amount of mental gymnastics will replace your y chromosome with an x.