Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists

>>135396308
What the fuck is a "representative of science"? Also, why should scientists be "trusted"? If a scientist releases a paper, you can trust them a little bit on the specific issue addressed by the paper, but actually, most published research papers are false.

I would turn the question on its head and ask - are Western Leftists the only people in history who have given "scientists" this magical aura to speak with authority outside their field?

The only reason distrust governmentally funded science is because we've seen the same thing done in other parts of the world throughout history. The government pays people to cherry pick data in order to push a narrative that aligns with its agenda.

>>135396566
>What's a representative of science?
Someone who explains scientific results to the general public. Scientists are notoriously bad at doing this themselves.

>Why should scientists be trusted?
To be clear I'm not talking about letting them watch your kids, I'm saying that until you have reason to believe otherwise it makes sense to assume that some guy who spends all day studying protein synthesis knows more about protein synthesis than you do.

>Most published research papers are false
...what? That's so stupid that it's not even wrong. Like it literally doesn't mean anything, but whatever you intended it to mean is batshit crazy.

>are Western Leftists the only people in history who have given "scientists" this magical aura to speak with authority outside their field?
We don't. Prove me wrong faggot.

>>135396717
Show me when that has happened.

>>135396308
>scientists get paid by governments. >governments have agendas
>"w-why can't those who want to restrict government power just trust scientists??"
Scientists aren't allowed to be politically incorrect. You never bite the hand that feeds you.

>>135396900
>...what? That's so stupid that it's not even wrong. Like it literally doesn't mean anything, but whatever you intended it to mean is batshit crazy.

If you don't understand, the fault is with you, not with me.

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

>>135397093
Ah yes, the answer to my question is that conservatives are insane. Thank you for that.

>>135397113
You said most papers are false which is a significantly dumber thing to say than what you linked to.

Anyway, the fact that a lot of bad papers end up getting published means nothing as far as accepted science, since the vast majority of papers aren't widely accepted, and for them to be they need to go through significantly more than is needed to publish.

I mean you can literally get anything you want published if you have $50 to burn. Publishing something isn't the same as doing science.

>>135397315
>lelelel conservatives are just insane!
Great argument faggot. +1

>>135396957
over the past couple of months people have been legitimately reviewing the papers on global warming/climate change.

Yes. that happened in those papers.
turns out shit scientists will happily screw up their own results if it means better funding for the projects they actually want to focus on.

>>135396308
listen to me:

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>>135397315
there was nothing insane to that question
its well known that scientists pretty much pay lip service to get funding

>>135397527
Well you made an enormous broad accusation about the overwhelming majority of scientific research done in America and backed it up with... nothing.

So I responded with nothing.

>>135397580
What are you saying? Reviewing papers? Isn't that a good thing? Why not link me to these reviews so we can talk about this.

>>135397619
+1

>>135397728
prove it

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>>135396900
>Someone who explains scientific results to the general republic

We recognize when "representatives" completely abandon science and push an agenda that involves jailing people who disagree with them. I would ask you, as someone claiming to be objective, why you would put your trust in someone as deranged as pic related even considering the human rights violations he's proposed. Are you just turning a blind eye to obvious bullshit or what? Or are human rights violations ok with you if it's your people doing it? That's the definition of being a hypocrite m8

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Depends, sometimes the opinions of art professors get lumped with STEM-scientist opinions, and then people use the collaborated opinions of scientist professors and non-scientist professors as the one true opinion, even though only a fraction of that opinion is from actual nature scientists. Not saying this is always the case, but sometimes ie. studies of race and IQ, people saturate the true science with the opinions of humanists and anthropologists. I took the race and IQ as an example of this, because most of the biologists agree that there is such thing as different human races, but the humanists don't, yet mainstream news and those humanist studies use the polls based on both biologists and humanist views on the case.

>>135396308
I guess it's sort of an American thing. Like the other anon said, just saying you're a scientist carries weight in America. Here it is more to do with your field, I'll trust a mathematician on how to properly garner statistics, but not on how we should govern the country.

>>135396308
isn't it a reaction on most scientists in US being lefties?

which in turn is probly a byproduct of much of US science being done by 1st generation foregners? Domestic scientinsts can be right or left, but an immigrant scientist is of course more likely to be pro-immigration, for example.

at least when it comes to non-socieal studies science

the only natural leftie things for scientins is free exchange of ideas and government support for fundamental science, I think huge number of people doing research would be for it.

see: SciHub, reality of fundamental research being communism,

>>135396900
>it makes sense to assume that some guy who spends all day studying protein synthesis knows more about protein synthesis than you do.
True. This is why we should only trust scientists on their particular specialities rather than think they are experts on everything in the world the way too many liberals seem to believe.

Far too often, liberals act like a mechanical engineer can predict the weather which is just weird.

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>>135396308
>upstanding "representatives of science"

>>135397830
If a scientist says that he does't believe global warming is man-made, and he requests funding for an experiment that will prove that, it won't get funded. Pretty simple.
The people in charge of the funding are openly saying this.
A couple of months ago, a guy in charge of some sort of temperature measuring satelite, told congress that he wouldn't be changing his mind about man-made climate change, even if his satelite's data was showing the earth to be cooling down.

>>135398107
Can you change the "science" part in social sciences to studies?
I'm a social sciences major, and even we look down on the social studies majors because, well, there's no real theory except X is at fault that Y is like that, and no real data behind it.
Please change that, it will sting them even worse because plenty of social/whatever studies writers shit on the social sciences because we're "biased" like having data that too much diversity is actually bad for a society is being biased.

>>135398467
He would't change his mind about man-made global warming*

>>135398075
>Why would you put your trust in Bill Nye
Because he's an intelligent guy who has a pretty good understanding of the things he talks about. Do you think he called for jailing people who disagree with him? Because he didn't. I've seen a Breitbart article claiming he called for killing old people and it linked to an interview that said nothing even close to that. Why are you guys incapable of actually doing the least bit of checking on your news sources?

And to be clear obviously I'm against jailing people for disagreeing. If you can actually prove he did say that then I'll be against him. But I didn't bring him up, you did.

>>135398107
I think in the case of race the majority of things being said by scientists and by non scientists is opinion rather than scientific fact. Because it's such a charged subject it's approached differently in our culture than most subjects. I wasn't really talking about race. Also as far as whether there are or are not races it's arbitrary. What isn't arbitrary is that if we do define difference races they won't be strict definitions, because humans aren't genetically separate enough from each other yet.

>>135398153
That's reasonable.

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>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?

You tell me.

>>135397580
>durr dey done did it to global warming
the data isn't cooked you moron. feel free to substantiate your claim with something other than "I say so because global warming is jew hoax"

>>135398075
> Or are human rights violations ok with you if it's your people doing it? That's the definition of being a hypocrite m8
bill is a faggot but most of pol is completely alright with this and the ammount of salt you generate when anyone does it back is pathetic

>>135398407
(citation required)

>>135398467
How do you think funding works? Do you think there's the official US government committee for deciding who to fund? And they sit in their high seats looking down on scientists for any sign of dissent?

Once again you people are fucking nuts.

>>135398467
>>135398532
without context i can think of a couple of good reasons why he has every right to fucking say that. temperatures fucking fluctuate even in a warming period, it isn't all up at all times.

>>135398541
bill nye is a moron who thinks coal is better than nuclear power.

>>135398844
I never said anything about Bill Nye until other people started assuming I was talking about him.

Also source please, I'm surprised if he's that stupid

The left has a huge science denying component as well.

This contingent is so powerful they control the science narrative, like bill nyes joke of a show.

Consequently even "real" science is so tainted by politics it can't be trusted.

>>135396308
Scientists aren't very practical. They can make discoveries and explain phenomena, but they can't make any practical application out or their understandings. Otherwise, they'd be engineers or businessmen, using their knowledge to make an impact in peoples' lives and make themselves a ton of money.

So they pair up with the government to get money the only way they can: by force through taxpayers. Then they conveniently find problems that, obviously have only one solution, which is to take more money from the taxpayers. Lefties use scientists as a strawman for the right's opposition to big government and nothing more.

>there's a problem, scientists say so
>therefore we need the government to fix it

If you object to the second point, then it's the usual "like ugh i cant believe the right are such science deniers smdh" from lefties. Nevermind that they turn around immediately and claim that men and women are interchangeable and all races are equal.

>>135399086
The left has a lot of science denialism, including some that you won't see on the right, but the right has far far more. That's what I'm asking about. Why is it so skewed?

>>135396566
>Most published research papers are false
To be fair, psych and medicine account for almost all papers, and they're the softest of sciences. In addition, it's not the duty of science to be right, but to present evolving guesses that receive influence from peer review and evidence.

However, many modern "science authorities" do not do this, and instead present every result as though it were concrete and true.

>>135396566
>What the fuck is a "representative of science"?

In Australia we call them 'science ambassadors': tv personalities that did a few semesters in a sciencey area before transferring to a pure arts degree/dropping out.

Weirdly, they all seem to be sexual deviants. I bet there's a study in that.

>>135398786
Yes, there are people in charge of deciding who gets scientific funding.. Is this seriously a question?

>>135399354
The overwhelming majority of important engineers throughout human history have been scientists, and in fact tended to be more well known for their scientific contributions.

In fact I'm having a hard time thinking of any who weren't.

>>135396308
'Cause most of the scientists are leftists. Their research is funded by the state and they want more taxes. The state bribes all intellectuals to prevent them from criticizing the state and fomenting revoluton.

>>135396308
for one thing, social scientists are referred to as "scientists" though they do not employ falsifiability. for another, there is a lot of money compromising certain fields, particularly in energy and medicine.

other than that, I don't take arguments from authority seriously and I do my own research. cosmology, physics, chemistry, and biochemistry are all fairly reliable fields when it comes to information.

>>135398470
Social studies have been rebranded as social sciences in the west. What you majoring is now called quantitative social science and used as curse in uni environment like your a Nazi concentration camp doctor.

I studied, worked and lived next to a campus for years. I've seen the changes happening in real time and the growing insanity taking hold of one department after another.

>>135398786
>Do you think there's the official US government committee for deciding who to fund?
https://science.energy.gov/

>>135398808
I explained it pretty badly to be honest, i just watched it again, and the whole ordeal is pretty crazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw&t=332s

The left simply fetishises science, they don't like the scientific method at all, and their influence on science in general has been to suppress all scientific finds that don't fit their agenda. As for science communicators, they're just as cucked as any other form of academia. They make the big bucks by going on TV and saying all the stupid bullshit liberals expect of them.

>>135398786
>How do you think funding works? Do you think there's the official US government committee for deciding who to fund? And they sit in their high seats looking down on scientists for any sign of dissent?
How the fuck do you think funding works? Currently any goverment handled funding is seeded out through agencies that determine where to apportion those funds, do you think the ACLU is going to approve funding for a scientist whose research niggers are on average just slightly smarter than gorillas?
>inb4 attacking the metaphor

>>135398786
That's exactly how it works. There are financial committees for every major institution in the US that decide what initiatives they want to push and how to allocate resources. Every college has a board of instructors and finances that determines how they're going to allocate funds for things like new programs, scholarships, alumni organizations, etc. How the fuck do you not know this?

>>135396308

Maybe because the left claims that science proves there are 193498984983894343 genders and that biology doesn't exist and that all differences between men and women are caused by an unprovable patriarchial conspiracy theory?

Just guessing

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>>135396308

>>135396308
the left mistrusts science on things that are politcally incorrect

since the media never talks about science when its politically incorrect you never see the left opposing science.

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>>135396308
Because we're not retarded. There a several points to remember in this situation :
1 : all "soft sciences" are garbage.
2 : "representatives" have a agenda. All of them. And even if one of them only cared about the truth, the reason why they are "representatives" and not scientists is because they are too retarded to really understand what they are talking about. They always end up oversimplifying things to the point where they are full-on bullshitting people.
3 : Even on real sciences, even with scientists talking, a lot of shit happens. Some research is not funded/published because it doesnt go in the direction the board of the university wants to go. There is a huge bias here. Add to that the researchers personal bias and the occasionnal bullshit paper.
4 : lobbies/compagnies are not afraid to straight up pay for bullshit papers that get years to be debunked, and when they are, no one talks about it (especially not the "representatives" see where I'm going here ?)
5 : China. China does not give a fuck. China will publish anything. China can give you any results you want on anything. You want data that says the sky is green ? Pay China. China is an absolute cancer on science. Oh and they don't give a fuck about patents either. Suck it.

Science is important. It's probably the most important thing humans have ever produced and the major driving factor of any self respecting civilisation, but the whole "science lol" sphere is cancerous as fuck. People don't care about the truth, they just want to confirm their own bias. Especially left-wing people. Hence, they trust "science" more.


Source : I'm Science.

>>135397807
>rural areas have lower average costs of living
>typically house upper middle class families
>people with jobs requiring advanced degrees
>people living in cities work at mcdonalds for minimum wage and live in some shithole apartment complex

Rural people are the problem eh?

lmao OP ran away

>>135400712
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READ CAREFULLY: Science is based on facts, not consensus. Conservatives are aware of this. Liberals are too, put won't admit it. They use consensus to push their agenda, i.e. anthrop global warming, for which their is not a molecule of proof.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled intelligence deficit.

>>135396308
The older you get, the more you realize how absurd and backwards some of the shit that was pushed as "science" was ten years ago, how much more absurd it was ten years before that, and so on, such that it would be incredibly naive to just buy all the hype and take on good faith that it's all 100% unassailably true right now.

t. Physics fag

>>135396308
Because waving a banner with the word science on it doesn't make a man smarter or knowledgeable in science. I want to see facts and evidence of something before I'll take it as a fact. And no, 4 minute videos of some e-celeb talking about how Siri will jumpstart the singularity or how we have no reason at all to fear gmos doesn't count. Plus, scientists are no more impartial actors or have better moral character than anybody else. Sure, in an ideal world they'd care about nothing else but figuring out material truths. But they're not. They want food, money, and a good house just as much as anybody else. You're stupid if you think they won't lie or pay lip service if they can to make an easy thousand dollars. They're humans the same as us. However, if what you mean by "representative of science" is something like bill nye or youtube series where they talk about how MAN SOLVED WORLD PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE NEAT TRICK then the answer is because your high school chemistry teacher spent more time in school and knows more than they.

>>135396308
It's a scientists funded by democrats to misdirect scientific findings and results to push an agenda thing.

>>135396308

If you're speaking of past times (up until 2000 i would say), then yes, 'murican conservatives were on average much more anti-science (mostly due to older-gen, technologically illiterate fundamentalist Christians) than the left. It never seemed that bad outside the US, though.

However, after the 2000's the left mutated into what it is now: a mass of stupid, over-emotional, irrational sheep which cannot think for themselves, let alone in logical, analytical or deductive ways. Today's Left is pretty much everything that contradicts science. STEM sciences are attacked constantly because they don't bend for the lefts ideological views; the already scientifically lax 'soft sciences' (humanities, philosophy, psychology) have completely gone to SHIT under their influence; and they created a new bunch of pseudo-sciences (Gender Studies) to give their ideological points a "scientific" impression. Hell, Gender Studies isn't even just about gender - no, they drag every single stupid topic into it (intersectionality) if they think they can attract other groups with it, thus giving them a larger base of allies in the "fight against the evil white cis male responsible for all evil on this world".

If you want to know wether actual scientists see todays left as "scientific", go and pay a visit to your nearby mathematics/physics/cs-faculty and ask the people there. I can tell by experience that you won't find many (if at all) positive answers...

>>135399370
Because leftists base their ideology around authorities like the scientific community
If a scientist told them suicide was the best thing to do, they'd kill themselves in droves

>>135397315
>I mean you can literally get anything you want published if you have $50 to burn. Publishing something isn't the same as doing science.

Yet they are many times announced as actual science by the (((news media))). Wonder why people are losing their faith in science? Same guys responsible for progressive (((news))) narratives inform us with bullshit science that can disproven simply by looking outside your window all day every day and people are getting sick and tired of being fed bullshit. That's why people don't trust science anymore.

>>135396308
I don't think that's true. The left hates scientists more than they "hate" racism and sexism combined, but they latch on to entertainers that larp as scientists.

>>135396308
First hand vs second hand experience. Seeing is believing.

>>135399370
It doesn't have "far far more".

You are just exposed to the "rights" denial of climate change and evolution because of controlled media.

In an honest appraisal you would probably find the science denying left to be far far greater and crazier than the right.

Feminism, cultural Marxism, economics, fucking gluten allergeries.

I don't give two fucks about global warming compared to leftist denial of economics and social realism.

When the lefts insanity inserts girls into boys showers via cultural Marxism, then utilizes listen and believe rapes to start a catastrophic civil war which will culminate into a communist coup run by blacks who will start purging whites, you will Wish you hadn't believed the Jews who were mindfucking you into global warming hysteria.

You see that is the ultimate purpose, it is the leftist delusion a need to feel morally superior while doing absolutely nothing.

Before it was save the whales, or UNICEF in Africa, or the Ethiopian famine, or save the rainforest.

All these hysterical fads accomplished nothing except promoting the constant march of cultural Marxism.

I mean they were literally funding the Somali warlords who were using child soldiers and hacking off arms for fucks sake.

But yeah.... science denying the right...

Bright to you by (((John Lievowitz))).

If the study has crediblity and makes logical sense when I read it, I believe it. When a front man comes on the news and talks about science instead of people with PhDs, I disbelieve until I hear it from the horse's mouth.

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>>135396308
Why do leftists devote so much time and effort to propaganda convincing themselves of why they're correct and their opponents are all cartoonishly evil than actually having open dialogue and conceding they might be wrong on some points?

This is why you have retarded fucking millennial faggots like OP throwing tantrums and shitting themselves over imaginary pronouns at their college protests. No one ever slapped the spoiled first world faggots and told them they were being ridiculous, they just banned all dissent.

thank god the topics mathematicians work on don't relate to anything in politics.

>>135402102
and blind trust of "science" led to the horrors of "nutrition science". Which infected our law makers' agenda and made everyone fat

https://lowerthought.wordpress.com/complete-notes-to-good-calories-bad-calories/

>>135402277
That's what you'd think, and then the rain of articles about math being racist and sexist starts. For now it's not a mainstream assertion, but it's really fucking close to getting there.

>>135402237
"Politifact" is ran by two people. Their word means less than nothing.

>>135396566
He means hacks like Bill Nye.

Basically Science evangelists who go around spreading their "gospel", that nigger who said the earth is a pear as well.

>>135402365
no
at best a few news articles by insane people with inferiority complexes

>>135396308
>representatives of science
Left's Pope is Bill Nye the "sex is a spectrum" guy.
Why should be trust these "representatives" when they clearly lie?

>>135402418
You think that stops smug shitlibs from citing it? You know how authoritarian leftists love having their worldview supported with appeal to authority.

>>135397113
Journals haven't mattered for a hell of a long time. Journals are politics-oriented and don't peer-review the actual claims of the articles or whether they're even worth publishing. That's true especially of the popular ones like nature.

>>135396717

>government pays people to cherry pick data

I wish that was the situation. What actually happens is that they tell you to research whatever you think is important, give you the barest amount of funding to hire a couple undergrads, look over your proposal, and then throw it out at the next budget meeting because "well, the FDA is fine with nanoparticles of titanium as a food additive, so why would we be worried about it building up in the water supply?"

Politicians aren't capable of rigging science. We would be in a better world if they were. Bad science will come to light in a couple decades, but science that never gets funding doesn't.

>>135402661
There's been a plethora of recent papers (which of course never get accepted at conferences, although they've started to get accepted at shit tier workshops) about the topic as well as many blogposts, but just a few news stories about that crap. Additionally, the larger corporations believe that garbage 100% and have started hiring people to look into it.

>>135402866
i will not believe this until i see some sources
vixra papers do not count

>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?

Because many scientific institutions blatantly abandon science for political concerns, and make political advocacy a central part of their mission. Most notably portions of the social sciences, and the sciences involved in modern intersectionality. In fact, the naturally conservative leaning scientific departments, say the fiscal sciences and economics get excluded from science.

If an entire department of a college campus could have zero right wing tenured employees, it's a sure sign of blatant political bias.

>Is this an American thing or is it the same with conservatives and progressives in other parts of the world?
It's a western thing. You're not going to see the same tilt at NUS in SIngapore, or Peking U, or Tokyo U. Latin America and Africa, are relatively meaningless in science, so I'm leaving them out.

>representative of science
Flip the expectations. Science KNOWS it has a credibility gap with conservatives in america, which is like a quarter of the population. Why are there ZERO openly politically conservative representatives of science? Someone familiar with the POVs and concerns of this population? There are openly liberal ones, and ones specifically for the black and hispanic communities.

>>135403020
Well people call IQ racist so it's not so far of a stretch

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>>135396308
Why do "scientists" want to limit first world procreation when Africa is going to gain 4 billion more hungry mouths in the next 50 years and all of the developed world is going to stay the same?

>>135398541
>Because he's an intelligent guy who has a pretty good understanding of the things he talks about.
From what I've seen, whenever a discussion gets outside of the few phrases he's constantly repeating, he switches to personal attacks, appeals to emotion and appeals to authority.
He's a complete and utter hack. You don't need to be intelligent to spread dogma, you just need to remember things.

>>135396308
You are not supposed to trust science, you are supposed to question it all the time and try to prove its wrong, thats the essence of the scientific spirit.

>>135403169
that's a pretty damn far stretch

>>135396308
99% of "scientists" are just (((experts))) that CNN interviews to tell you what they want you to believe about science.

You're being sold an agenda and they call it science when it isn't.

>>135403325
what you aren't supposed to do is claim that science is wrong without trying to prove that it's wrong
claiming that it's wrong after not being able to disprove it is also something you shouldn't do

>>135403175
Why do they want us to stop the relatively clean factory pollution here and ship it to china where there are absolutely no environmental regulations?

Fucking weird almost like theirs a controlled (((media))) consoiracy

>>135396308
science has been concluding over and over that human races and sexes are not equal but the left refuses to admit it. both sides bastardize science

>>135396308

>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?

Pretty general statement OP and I would argue it's more of a human nature to disagree with any "science" that doesn't validate your already held belief.

I think this notion just gets pinned on conservatives more because of global warming and their policy stances on it. There are plenty of things that the left vehemently supports or denies that is just flat out wrong.

examples:
>wage gap
Any person actually studying this knows the "gap" is mostly due to women preferring to seek lowering paying careers in exchange for more time flexibility. Even when you look at individual jobs, women tend to take more time off, work less overtime especially if they take time off to raise children. Once they accounted for all of this, women earn just as much as men. This isn't some new revelation either, one of the first studies published on this issue mentioned all of these reasons, yet the left continues to hold on to the belief that women earn 70% for doing the exact same work as a man.

>crime and policing
This one is a bit more general, but with the recent events of police shootings very relevant. Crime in the 90's was super high and was one of the things Bill Clinton had support was to increase policing in certain high crime neighborhoods to bring it down. As a result crime went down ,but after the recent shootings and cries of racism, police have pulled out of these areas. As a result, crime is starting to rise again, especially in Chicago. The left seems oblivious to this fact and was often a sore spot for the Clinton campaign last year.

There are plenty more we could discuss, but in general the left, at least in America, knee jerk reaction to any perceived inequality, aka the results aren't want they want them to be, is to shout discrimination and start a witch hunt.

>>135396957
Some simple examples.

China, great leap forward.

Russia, agricultural industrialization that lead to the holodomor.

Head of the CDC outlining his political aspirations with gun control, in advance of the data supporting his position in the first place, US 1990s or so.

The APA's general approach to sexual poltics, most notably transexualisim.

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>>135402689
See a shitlib using that argument, use this. I was also wrong, it's not two people. It's nine.

>>135396308
Do you genuinely not know this?

Short answer: campaign finance law.

Republicans are owned by industries that spend billions funding campaigns, advertisements and "alternative science." Because science points out that a lot of companies are doing totally fucked up things that are hurting us.

So those companies spend assloads of money to contest this. Republicans saw a source of funding in those attempts being made by those companies and said "hey, give us money and we'll help push your narrative!"

And Republican voters, being mostly idiots, gobbled it up like fat slobs.

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>>135403867
Fucking shit, I need to organize my folders.

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>>135403600
>Why do they want us to stop the relatively clean factory pollution here and ship it to china where there are absolutely no environmental regulations?

China is on track with the Paris climate Accords, they're doing great on pollution!

Why would Trump call climate change something the Chinese use to keep America noncompetitive??

The right is just more sceptical of everything in general.

The left is mainly about herd mentality and wanting to fit in over reasoned facts.

After all... Don't you want to right now go and tell your friends of the stupid stuff you just read here?

>>135396308
Currently many scientists are corrupt or at least those who explain it to the public like the jewish goy

>>135396308
the right opposes oligarchs of any kind
the left is eternally looking for somone to rule over them with an iron fist

>>135403966
>The right is just more sceptical of everything in general.
This. With how far left the Overton window has moved you must be skeptical to be right wing.

>>135402517
I can confirm that the Earth is not a pear. It's not juicy, but dirty and grity

>>135404100
>the right opposes oligarchs of any kind
Hahahaha.

That's why you guys use Exxon Mobile's talking points to claim that science is just a conspiracy. Because you resist those evil scientists who independently reached the exact same conclusions in thousands of different experiments.

Because they're all part of a conspiracy. But multinational oil companies? Those guys are on your side for sure. You're the little guy!

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>>135404406
>I don't need facts when I post anonymously on the internet!
Which is why this is the only place your beliefs are ever taken seriously.

As this >>135398107 anon said, there are "real scientists" like most physicists that and then there are these social scientists who don't really do any research but rather just polls and opinion based "research" papers

But one thing that I could come up with the stereotypical republican disagreeing with "real scientists" is when it comes to the religion vs science questions

>>135404501
I believe that the chemicals in the water are poisoning use and causing low T in men and their low spent counts.
Boil your water lads

>>135399533
you're a moron. try looking for some people who were primarily engineers, not scientists. maybe then you won't make some retarded claim about all the "important" engineers

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>>135396900
>Someone who explains scientific results to the general public. Scientists are notoriously bad at doing this themselves.

They can turn in to propoganda spewing disingenuous, agenda filled morons who report on science that fits their view, not the scientific result. (Bill Nye on race, he says it's a social construct when any evidence in the scientific realm laughs that off immediately).

>To be clear I'm not talking about letting them watch your kids, I'm saying that until you have reason to believe otherwise it makes sense to assume that some guy who spends all day studying protein synthesis knows more about protein synthesis than you do.
Again, scientists can have personal agendas. This can mean they only tell their fringe opinion that has little to no basis in reality as fact and dismiss any opposition as anti-science.

>are Western Leftists the only people in history who have given "scientists" this magical aura to speak with authority outside their field? We don't. Prove me wrong faggot.
Again, Bill Nye. The left is letting him say his own claims, not based on reality, but based on what he personally believes to be true with no expertise in the field.

In general most people on /pol/ are at least moderately cientiffically literate, not the typical dumb redneck southerner. Nowadays the left has started rejecting science based on its inherent sexism, racism, and general intolerance. Now the people who act like the creation scientists are SJWs who believe that men are stronger than women because they're socially pressured into lifting weights, and that blacks have lower IQs even when adjusted for upbringing because of systemic racism.

>>135403020
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.2099
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/technology/weapons-of-math-destruction/index.html
https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.07187 (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/13/ai-programs-exhibit-racist-and-sexist-biases-research-reveals)
https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.00323
https://blog.plan99.net/the-most-dangerous-ai-research-3686c3d360bd?gi=775470085f21
https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.05807

Assorted blogs and papers. Enjoy.

>>135401495
don't have to worry about that in mathematics (for the most part)

come home white man

>>135404704
godammit, the retards just wont stop until the system breaks. you know what, let's just break it now, we'll see who will end up at the top

>>135401495
Ah. Uh. Hmmm...
You're not wrong, but I'd like to counter that.
In regards to concepts being wrong 10+ years ago, you are correct. Our understanding of atoms has changed drastically over the years, genetics too.
However I would be hesitant to discount those concepts because they are what brought us here.
It's good to reflect upon the falsified hypothesis because they can make your next ones stronger.

>>135396900
>it makes sense to assume that some guy who spends all day studying protein synthesis knows more about protein synthesis than you do.

What people know and what people say are two completely different things though and I'll give you an example of what I mean because >>135397093 is basically right

>About a decade ago the government asks its own scientists to look into the dangers of drugs so the goys will stop asking for them to be legalised
>Professor Nutt does just that
>Hands over his report
>Government are outraged
>He says things such as there's literally zero dangers in cannabis, ecstasy is less dangerous than riding a horse and other assorted non-(((approved))) findings
>Government tell him to go back and do it again, but this time to find the (((right))) answer
>Refuses because he's already done it and he's the expert
>Government tell him if he doesn't they'll sack him
>Instead he resigns and everyone who works with/beneath/for him resigns in protest too
>Government try everything to discredit him as some kind of kook
>Yet if he had towed the line like a good goy and found the (((right))) answer he would have been placed on a mantle as an expert in his field who should be held in high regard

See? So if he had said what he was (((supposed))) to say (like his (((replacement))) did and presumably like all of the goys who don't want to lose a cushy job with plenty of funding do) he would have been guilty of knowing one thing (ecstasy is less dangerous than horse riding), but would be (((confirming))) or saying the complete opposite because that's what he's paid to do.
It's sort of like how leftists aren't really interested in facts, even though they say they are, but really they just want their opinion validated to make sure the tide hasn't turned and they're still on the right side of history. Facts don't even come into it.

>>135396308
>scientists
live off of government grants, our tax dollars. they are compromised.

>>135396308
The left has a habit of just making things up and calling it science. Look at their positions on race, gender, transsexuals, and economics.

With this in mind, it's not that surprising that the right takes the claim "a scientist said it!" with a grain of salt. It's a shame that this view has bled over into harder sciences, but actually isn't that big a deal.

>>135405359
Weedtards everybody

>>135405367
Actually that means that they're not compromised. They live off your tax dollars. You pay their salaries. You literally employ them.

Grants are given before research is done. The conclusions they reach have nothing to do with their funding.

>>135396566
>but actually, most published research papers are false.

Random bozo on /pol/ says science is faked. I'm so fucking red-pilled right now.

>>135405367
that's why the only cures are time or death

>>135398541
Yes the man with a mechanical engineering degree and a bunch of free honorary science degrees and monetary awards (which should tell you right off the bat he's paid off to say retarded shit) is a complete expert on gender and climate science! Did you know all a degree is is a paper saying you agreed with a bunch of other people who taught you the same bullshit that got taught to them. There is nothing academic about it and it goes to show when you have retards like Bill Nye who are essentially paid to lie as long as it entertains you or gets you to post stupid shit like this for others to muddle their heads .
I bet you think light, electrons and gravity exist too because science told you they exist, even though there is absolutely no proof or experiment proving their existence.

>>135404230
maybe the skin is just thicker than you're used to, bite deeper?

>>135405582
sure, in La-la land perhaps. just put it to the test. if the goverment says no, and the taxpayer says yes, who do you think they will listen to ?

>>135404704
#1 addresses intuitionism, which doesn't really have that much to do with what you claimed
the rest addresses the decision making of particular algorithms
i don't see anything here that supports your assertion
claiming that some algorithm is making unjust decisions or might have an unwanted impact is not the same as claiming that math is racist

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>>135396308
>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?

Perhaps it's because in the 1970s, we were assured that the global temperature was falling and a new Ice Age would begin by 1990.

Or perhaps it's because they assured us that the ozone layer was irreparably damaged and that UV radiation would render the earth unihabitable.

Or perhaps it's because every single year since 1986 they claim that we have five years to save the planet.

Or perhaps it's because they told use the Himalayan glaciers were melting due to global warming and would cause flooding that would drown millions in India and Bangladesh.

Or perhaps it's because they assured us that we'd be flooded by now due to the melting polar ice caps.

>>135405631
Poe's law as fuck.

>>135405359
Fucking this

>>135396308
I believe scientists.
Real scientists that is.
When I review a paper about some advance in quantum computing or error correcting codes I don't go "This is obviously BS" or "He is a scientists, therefore this is true".
I read his work, and if he can back it up with a good explanation as to why it would work, and some data then I will believe it.
Of course, I can't manually check his work, but if it's completely made up shit then usually someone in the field can tell.

>>135396957
transgender research

>>135404273
Why are you assuming every republican is a shill for big oil? I think you're mistaking washington with washington's voters. I've always been an advocate for biofuels, but not because I sincerely believe the entire world is in huge danger because the first world drives too many car, but for reasons of energy independence from the saudis. Even if I know that will never happen because the US fiat dollar is solely backed by oil deals with said saudis and ability to bomb countries into submission and not any hard material. And although I can't speak for any other conservatives, I vote republican because there's at least some of them don't plan on taking my guns, increasing immigration and pardoning murderers and drug dealers which speeds up white genocide, and don't try to socially engineer more trannies into existing. Even though as this year has shown some republicans are republicans in name only(ie not repealing obamacare), the right are generally not crazy like the left. You can say shill for big oil all you want, I won't deny congress republicans are exactly that. But so are democrats. Congress democrats voted almost wholesale for the wars in the middle east during the 00's and most of the early decade, and the entire reason for that was oil and Israel's security, which both parties shill for and deny to the public while finger pointing at the other side for doing what they're doing. Both parties are owned by the deep state, aka International Jewry.

>>135396308
For me, the unashamed lies the "science" community spews about race, combined with blackballing anyone in the scientific community who dares to tell the truth about race, calls into question all scientific "consensus" on any controversial subject.

>>135396308
Because scientists nowadays live off government grants. Governments which are mostly left.

>>135396308
Thats what happens when you keep telling people that pseudo science is real, shoving "trans feminist nigger revisionist history name dancing theory" professors as "authority figures" into every single tv show or proof that man made climate change is real by shoving a dragon dildo up their ass on live tv and call it "undoubtable proof the science has spoken".

>>135396957
https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

Here's an admission from the government that climate change data was manipulated to influence discussion on climate change.

>>135403580
agree, never claimed otherwise

>>135405763
reddit as fuck

>>135405759
>Perhaps it's because in the 1970s, we were assured that the global temperature was falling and a new Ice Age would begin by 1990.
One study made that claim. It was disproved within three months.
>Or perhaps it's because they assured us that the ozone layer was irreparably damaged and that UV radiation would render the earth unihabitable.
The ozone layer has been damaged. If it continues long enough, that would happen. Know what we did, though? Changed our regulations and stopped it.
>Or perhaps it's because every single year since 1986 they claim that we have five years to save the planet.
Wildly false.
>Or perhaps it's because they told use the Himalayan glaciers were melting due to global warming and would cause flooding that would drown millions in India and Bangladesh.
They are and they are. Go check how many flood deaths Bangladesh experiences, every year for the last two decades.
>Or perhaps it's because they assured us that we'd be flooded by now due to the melting polar ice caps.
The ocean is measurably rising.

>>135406079
also this.

real science is when your hypothesis can be proven correct or incorrect.

(((science))) is when that's not possible and you need peer pressure to keep people from calling out your BS.

>>135398107
The left guy looks sad. A real researcher would be excited if a plausible hypothesis was disproved.

>>135405592
It's true though.
Numerous studies have shown that most papers cannot be reproduced.
The reason for this is simple.
Almost all that research is in the medical and drug field, where you work with clinical trials.
Clinical trials can be faked and no one else can easily reproduce them.
Because we don't know 100% how the human body works, the results can be believable.
In other fields this is more difficult, since if I write up a paper saying I got 1000x speedup without a damn good explanation, everyone is going to call me out on it.

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science just isnt the same anymore it's all about huge datasets and "interpreting" the data.

>>135403952
Funny how the most far-left state in the US has the worst air pollution.

(Because it never rains in SoCal, but still)

Reminder that if you believe in evolution or that the Earth is over 6000 years old, you're not a real Christian and need to go church and read the bible you f-ing pleb

>>135405359
This is true, it's like how a lawyer knows your guilty but will still try and get you out of doing time if you pay him

>>135406336
>Changed our regulations and stopped it.
The regulations came into effect only after the industry had moved away from the damaging agents on its own because there were more profitable alternatives available.

That's the part pro-government retards always conveniently forget to mention...

>>135405759
>Or perhaps it's because they assured us that the ozone layer was irreparably damaged and that UV radiation would render the earth unihabitable.
This is such a retarded argument.
>they say bullets can kill and made everyone wear a bullet proof vest
>this means that the original statement was wrong

>>135396308

Because soft sciences (including climate science) are kike ideologically run circle jerks and the left are automatons programmed by kikes.

>>135405763
No really, there is no proof that Light is a thing. There is no such thing as the a force called "gravity, and an electron has never been seen or accounted for. All the fancy made up unicorn particles are a theory based on perturbations of smashing a bunch of atoms together and hypothesizing the result. All you have to do is ask and of these morons what a "field" is (not what it does, what it IS) and they can't fucking do it. They keep coming up with new retarded theories like "quantum goo" or "strings" or whatever the fuck to excuse their failures to the scientific community.
And all of it is based on the THEORY of relativity which gets more and more destroyed with each passing year. Einstein was a fucking moron and his math was mostly done by a real scientist (Steinmetz) who corrected his theory of relativity, but did not even like the explanation of it
Do not trust science for shit.

>>135405554
Yes, weedtards are retarded. But they are right that it's mostly a harmless thing they consume.

Of course exceptions apply (like smoking 24/7 or teenagers smoking shit) yet still Cannabis is pretty harmless.

(No, it doesn't cure cancer, no it's not medicine).

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>implying

>>135403891
>replace the word Republicans with Democrats and the argument still works.

Not all science is climate science.

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>>135405743
So far, the biggest sack of crap I've seen in math is in youth education.

There's also been an attempt by some retards in social science to claim that logical reasoning is inherently sexist, ala the feminine gaze, but so far nobody outside that bubble takes them seriously at all.

>>135406683
Are you pretending to be retarded, or just shitposting?

>>135406827
>No, it doesn't cure cancer, no it's not medicine)
Do they actually claim it cures cancer?
I thought it was meant to help with the discomfort and pain caused by cancer treatment.

Scientists:
Bill Nye
Darwin

Christians;
Donald Trump
Hitler

The Earth was made in 6 days and evolution is bullshit
Pretty much all of (((''science''))) is utter bullshit that contradicts the bible. I thought this was a Christian board, why all the science cucks here?

>>135406908
how do they expect to run the world if they deny math, that's some retarded shit.

>>135406908
math education could be a lot better if you didn't have to account for all those students that don't end up working with higher level math

>>135407003
Get the fuck out here you reddit watching faggot

>>135407081
>>135407278
Go back to r/atheism.

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>>135396308
This is a little generalistic but it's not wrong

>>135406908
>logical reasoning is inherently sexist
>women can't into logic
That's actually pretty based.

>>135406683
Gravity is a description of an observable phenomenon. It is not a claim that a thing called "gravity" exists as an independent entity.

Light is a measurable wavelength of energy.

Electrons are directly measurable.You can't see the smell of shit, either. Does that mean it doesn't stink?

>>135407450
and that's why they elected a guy who they think is confident and can lead acrross the valley of death. still, the kikes should go back to Israel

>>135396957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

>>135405743
So you really don't know anything about math. Got it.

>>135407003
Even today's science has proved light does not have a set speed and instantaneous action at a distance is real, look it up for yourself. You can start by looking up what "incommensurability" is and what the "dielectric plane" does in terms of it.

>>135407380
The only atheist here is you, fucking science cuck
I bet you believe in evolution and the big bang you piece of shit
Stop pretending to be a Christian and read the damn bible you fucking faggot

>>135407716
good argument

>>135406908
>There's also been an attempt by some retards in social science to claim that logical reasoning is inherently sexist
No, there isn't. That's something that certain members of the conservative press have made up, and support by cherry picking quotes out of context. The irony there is that the very thing that conservatives do to support the claim is a fallacy.

>>135396308
Both know scientists are lying.... but liberals want to make money from the lie, while conservatives don't need the climate lie to make money. That's the literal reason.

>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?

One reason is because "studies" are usually paid for by a liberal or conservative group to basically get the results they want. If a conservative led group pays scientists 50 million to study global warming in the hopes that they will find climate change isn't real....guess what...they're going to come to the conclusion it's not real. And vice versa.

Also, conservatives in America are plagued with southern white idiots. As much as /pol/ likes to pile up on libs for having limp wristed/tofu eating/nu-male/sissy men...conservatives have their own black eye with white southern christian men. Most have the IQ well below the standard. They're also hugely obese and poor. And most think Jesus walked among the dinosaurs and Moses slayed a dragon. And they think incest is ok.

And they're told by conservatives and their preachers (who are usually the town leaders) to fear and mistrust science.

>>135408225
No one makes money off proving that global warming occurs.

Grants are given before research is completed. You get the money before you get the conclusion. They get the same money regardless of the result.

>>135408030
Thanks. Now you know that nothing in these papers was about algorithms and that the claim is that \exists g | Dkl(f(x|y) || g(x)) = 0 s.t. f(x|y) = z, f(x|~y) = ~z \in D, which is trivially provable wrong. Not only that, it is also trivial to prove that there is no such g that even approximates f. Additionally, pretending that greek philosophers and mathematicians didn't exist has nothing to do with intuitionism. It sure feels good to educate german feminazis.

It is better to question everything, even the "experts," than to merely trust them due to their status.

>>135408299
>Most have the IQ well below the standard. They're also hugely obese and poor. And most think Jesus walked among the dinosaurs and Moses slayed a dragon. And they think incest is ok.
I wonder (((who))) could be behind this post
>real Christians believe in dinosaurs goy
Fuck off, cuck

>>135407450
>quoting rothkopf

such a good globalist lapdog aren't you.

>also hurr we don't know anything yet we were able to beat them with established deep state in place THEY are the stupid arrogant ones

>>135396308
>get millions of dollars in government funding for "climate research"
>piss it all away and say climate change is real
>get more gubmint dolla dolla fo dem research programs
>piss it all away and say climate change is real
>get more government money...
alternatively
>don't find any evidence to support man made climate change
>tell the government this
>government says okay, no more money for you
science is a business just like any other, and they are out to make money. it's the same thing with cancer. as soon as a cure for cancer is found there's no more money to be made in cancer research. while as long as there isn't a cure there's going to be more and more funding from the government.

>>135396308
see this as proof
>>135408494

>>135407041
Proponents of weed do in fact claim that cannabis smoke will kill cancer cells

I always assume they are VERY high when they make such claims

>>135407515
>description of an observable phenomenon.
>descriptions are explanations

>light is a measurable wavelength of energy

So when I workout at the gym I'm burning light since energy is light now! Illumination is not a force it's a byproduct. Saying light does something is the same as saying a shadow does something, it's two sides of the same thing that's causing "light and dark"

>electrons are directly measurable

There are these things here that do something when when move a magnet around! Sometimes they just appear out of absolutely nowhere, literally they just appear in our dimension for some reason or other! Lets call them a "negative charge" even though that means absolutely nothing!

DESCRIPTIONS ARE NOT EXPLANATIONS.

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>>135397807

>Because scientific theories get discarded and replaced all time
>Most scientific studies are shit, some dont even follow any scientific standart and get dismissed rigth away
>Because some faggots believe that science is the answer to everything without having a moral border they dont want to cross

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>>135407835
I know about that, but saying that we can't measure gravity or electrons is provably false. Electrons were first filmed in moving action over a decade ago. How the hell do you think your computer works, exactly?
>>135407842
Go back to >>>/r/eddit. You think that you can spew a couple curse words, type like how you think a typical christian thinks and /pol/ won't be able to tell you're not from reddit, but you're wrong. Please go worship at the altar of lgbtq2blt science somewhere else.
>>135408299
Damn those omnipotent barbecue eating farmers, how can they be so powerful? No, I've been to the south. They're some of the nicest and most christian people I've ever met. Just like how the jews projected their desire for world domination onto the bad goy nazis, so too do the jews project their sick incestuous tendencies onto the bad goy confederates.

>>135408813
I genuinely can't tell if you're shitposting or just incredibly, painfully stupid.

>>135408378
good argument

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>>135408350
Al Gore has made a fortune off this scam as well as countless others. He is now a Billionaire. Gore also has a remarkable record of investing in companies right before they get huge grants from the government. Of course all those scams ended when Trump took over which is another reason they are so angry at him.

Global warming alarmism is big business. You have Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, The Nature Conservancy, World Wildlife Fund, Environmental Defense Fund, The Climate Project and dozens upon dozens of other non-governmental organizations who solicit hundreds of millions from private donors and from government, and who in turn award lucrative grants to further their agenda.

You also have the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Science Foundation, the National Institute of Health, the Departments of Commerce and Agriculture, both Houses of Congress and many more government agencies, spraying global warming money at anything that moves and at staggering rates — billions of dollars.

And then you also have every major and minor university — with contributions from every department, from Critical Literature Theory to Women’s Studies — all with their hands out and eager to provide the support Greenpeace, the government and others desire. Add to that another two or three dozen think tanks which are also sniffing for grants or which support government intervention to do the impossible and stop the earth’s climate from changing.

It is a huge scam and a religion to some of these people.

>>135409008
>doesn't even capitalize the word Christian
>posts heathen chink cartoons
accuses me of being a gaytheist
You fucking kike piece of shit

>>135409108
Thanks. Now you are on the path to enlightenment. Just remember not to drop out of elementary school just yet, kid. Don't want to fail those counting classes, it could come in handy when you try to determine how many muslim dicks enter your mouth in one night on average.

>>135396957
>Lysenkoism
It literally has a term developed for it, child

>>135409231
Al Gore isn't a scientist. He has absolutely nothing to do with proving that global warming is occurring.

>>135396308

>humans are fallible
>except this group of people who get paid by government to lie to you on a daily basis

Sigh, trust is a retarded concept when it comes to truth.

>>135409430
He's a very loud proponent of the theory, speaks on the subject on a regular basis and has released multiple feature films. Al gore is synonymous with profit from fear

>>135409528
Scientists get paid to perform research. They get paid before reaching results. Their getting paid has nothing to do with their conclusions. That's what makes independent research independent. The system is literally built specifically to avoid the problem that you're pretending exists.

>>135397315
>your claim is stupid
>NO STOP CITING SCIENTIFIC REVIEWS
>dumb consrvahteevs :^)
When did you join the Church of Scientism? Who do you worship - Nye or Blackscienceguy?

>>135409304
good argument
why not shove your entire argument into higher order logic and format it with tex
maybe somebody will appeal to your authority while you're missing the goalposts :^)

>>135396308
Liberals tend to be high on neuroticism and agreeableness, which means they're quick to worry about everything and quick to trust someone who says we need to work together to fix whatever they're worrying about, regardless of whether or not the proposed solution is actually proven to be helpful at all. Climate change is like catnip to them. "Who cares if cutting emissions by 5% isn't going to do shit to stop the problem but will cost a fuckton of money? We have to do something to help, RIGHT NOW!"

>>135409045
https://youtu.be/O75gkskkkZ8?t=5m56s

have fun, you'll be watching these videos for days

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>>135408178
Going off half cocked like that makes you prone to bigotry. I have warrants for my claims.

The shit I'm talking about isn't from the blogs. It's the retards attempting to apply Chomsky's "Medical Gaze", to extend it to the "Male Gaze", and then trying to apply it beyond cinema to the observational aspects of epistemology.

It's also feminists who read shit like
>Words of Power: A Feminist Reading of the History of Logic (Thinking Gender)
by andrea nye

and
>Representing Reason: Feminist Theory and Formal Logic
by val plumwood

but either not comprehending the work, or just ignoring it to support whatever asinine political position they had in the first place.

>>135409701
I thought you were memeing the second time but it turns out you legitimately are clinically retarded. Embarrassing. Maybe sometimes in the next few centuries you'll be able to respond I guess.

>Scientist exposes fraudulent research journals with bogus Star Wars ‘midichlorian’ paper
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/scientist-exposes-fraudulent-research-journals-with-bogus-star-wars-midichlorian-paper/news-story/d7ef2793bc866ebb7a5917ba11c32c8e

>>135409683
>Their getting paid has nothing to do with their conclusions

Their conclusions will however lead to them being hired (or not) again. If they want the government cheese to keep coming, they've got to keep giving the answer they want.

>>135409930
Incorrect. That's absolutely the opposite of how grant proposals work.

>>135410015
>That's absolutely the opposite of how grant proposals work.

Well that's just wrong. Why do the same small group of research thinktanks keep getting the grants? Assuming you want an accurate result you would branch out and have as many people as possible preforming the same studies and experiments, instead of just one.

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>>135409430
Al Gore makes bullshit movies that are shown in every classroom in USA. Al Gore goes to "science" conferences where he gives talks and is well paid for his appearance

Al Gore is just the tip of the spear. The corrupt "scientists" that are with him are using flawed data and fixing data to come to the "right" conclusion.

The social agenda of the alarmist can be summed up by a quote from Dr. Ottmar Edenhoefer. Dr. Edenhofer is a big name in climate policy circles. He says, “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.”and The UN’s climate czarina, Christiana Figueres, has also been quite vocal in explaining that the UN’s imposing climate change agenda extends far beyond mere environmental concerns, such as stopping alleged global warming. She made an especially telling statement at the UN’s 2012 Climate Summit in Doha, Qatar, where she said:
It must be understood that what is occurring here, not just in Doha, but in the whole climate change process is a complete transformation of the economic structure of the world.

So you see even those running the "science" don't believe it. They just use it to make their communist power play.

>>135406145
> a genuinely non-retarded American
Color me shocked.

>>135410015
Goy, I...

>>135396308
we think you believe

>>135397807
>provides evidence
>"evidence does not equal evidence"
You're retarded so here's some more evidence that it's a fucked system: http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1994egalitarianfiction.pdf

Even your sacred lamb is a lie: http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-key-un-climate-fraudster-makes-concessions-tim-ball-lawsuit/
>https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/40/404797_climate-assortment-of-statements-from-east-anglia-.html

Which is sad but must be concluded with this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/107-cancer-papers-retracted-due-to-peer-review-fraud/
Imagine 107 papers in a single niche area were fraudulent POS. Oh my oh man, how does your religion square this circle that humans are arrogant and a lot of "scientists" are some of the worst people around?

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>>135400861
this is true, rural people are the heart of america. ive always lived in the city but everything would fall apart if we lost power for 2 days. rape is a week away

>>135409875
An caps are a fucking disgrace to capitalism everything America stands for

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>>135401495
yep bro is right, 10 years ago the whole astrological calendar was wrong. no had a ps4 shit got real

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>when that nye faggot made it painfully clear that 'science' is fucking empty in integrity in this day and age and libshits wonder why people grow skeptical of retard 'experts' changing their fucking minds on axiomatic scientific 'truths' from one decade to the next

>>135410488
*and everything

>>135410593
Your brain doesn't compare to mush favorably.

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>>135410534
So that's who that vine girl was...

>>135399062
https://atomicinsights.com/why-doesnt-the-science-guy-like-nuclear-power-yet/
Here you go you fucking idiot. How about type 3 fucking words into google, you dipshit?

>>135410646
Let me guess, you're an atheist
Go fuck a banana, cuck

>>135410015
shut the fuck up lying kike

>>135396308
People on the right are just less intelligent. It all averages out because the left has all the niggers but the comparison between rightwing white people and leftwing white people is night and day. Right wingers are fucking morons.

>>135396308
We distrust research when the research looks fishy in some way, as in it looks politically motivated, or can be used to justify massive money grabs like "climate change". Stuff like that.

Leftists dislike research when it flys in the face of their narratives or pings as wrong think, like the existance of IQ and racial IQ differences. Big difference between us and them is that we state we distrust the research and leftist try to ruin the lifes of the researchers who get results they don't like

>>135398075
OP is your looking for an answer to your question look no further than this image. Conservatives are tired of left winged scientists, especially when you consider they get much bigger screen time and recognition than, you know, actually important scientists.

>>135411127
> racial IQ
No. There are genes that mean up to 70% one's IQ, and these only happen to be present in some populations, and have nothing to do with skin-tone genes, you fucking moron. Same thing with sickle cell anemia and so on.

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>>135399370
>but the right has far far more.

what's it like to buy into propaganda hook, line, and sinker

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2011/03/republicans-are-more-scientifically.html

Its an American thing because in America right=religious white trash

>>135411702
HUEHUE intellectuals!

>>135411950
Ancapistani memes!

>>135396308
Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?
Because politics are centered around social issues. Social scientist does not take biology into account because it is not part of their field of study. Biology does not concern politicians either, because it is not something that we can do anything about, and so they can't use it to create policy for solving social problems.

>>135396308
Left: He's a scientist, therefore he is right
Right: Let me debunk that with facts and logic

>>135396308
>Why is it so much more common for the right to mistrust scientists and representatives of science than the left?
>Why is it so much more common for smart people to be more skeptical of data shown to them than manchildren who "fucking love science"?

>>135412620
That's right we've successfully proven
Sugar is healthy and you should feed it constantly to your children
Cigarette smoke is actually healthy
Evolution doesn't happen
CO2 makes everyone happy and feel good

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>>135396308

The Right are the kind of people that invented science.

The left are KIKE programmed retards that have to be told how things work.

They never knew the Scientific Methods.

Only broken recording something from someone they were told was smart.

>>135412960
>Cigarette smoke is actually healthy
I'll bet your uneducated ass doesn't know that smoking can benefit a patient sometimes.

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Conservatism lends itself to skepticism while liberalism lends itself to blind acceptance, now which is more scientific?

Example trannies, "I'm a girl with a dick!!!"
Lefty: Yes!!!!!
Righty: Hol up.....

>>135412960
>>135412620
Yes, excellent points
Yes, but sadly the left will never abandon their cultish ways of thinking

>>135413331
Of course not, if it affects their feelings and beliefs they will reject it

>>135413331
Yeah, these fags probably don't even know we proved God with our flawless logic and reason.

>>135410181

It what it comes down to doesn't it. KIKE COMMIE CONTROL AND GORE IS POS LYING PUPPET!

>>135398346
Nope, most people in the sciences are left because the more liberal governments give out more research grants than conservative ones. Very simple fact.

t. Scientist

>>135396900
Half of all "peer reviewed" papers in psychology were unrepeatable

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-replicated-100-psychology-studies-and-fewer-half-got-same-results-180956426/

You clearly use your brain very little. You're one of those people that just believes "science" and "scientific authorities" without actually verifying it yourself. You just want people to think your smart by riding off the backs of people perceived by society as smart. In reality you are fucking dumb and probably have little original thoughts

>>135413730
I work as a fisheries scientist and some of the shit they publish is baffling, no foundation in reality. Like I'll see a paper about salmon and I'll tell people how much shit it is and beg them to come out with me for field replication.

>>135413484
>Yeah, these fags probably don't even know we proved God with our flawless logic and reason.
Yup. Which is why Atheism is stupid, since it lacks logic and reasoning in its obssession with finding physical proof of a higher being.

>>135398541
>Because he's an intelligent guy who has a pretty good understanding of the things he talks about.
Bill Nye isn't even a scientist he has a degree in mechanical engineering, the most pleb tier engineering degree ahead of only civil engineering

Wow he read off a script and taught you about colours in 3rd grade through the TV. He's so smart and intelligent. Fuck you lefties are like little kids, you don't know how to filter reality from fantasy. Bye is nothing more than an actor and hasn't even been anywhere near real science (or even engineering) in the last 25 years. Nice judgement there idiot

You are fucking dumb

>>135396308
>mistrust scientists and representatives of science
Exactly, scientists and representatives are people and I don't trust people. Doesn't mean I don't trust science but that's the whole point, left think scientist equals science. How many new breakthroughs in science went thru the science community without getting ridiculed by them? Science community is a fucking smugfest where new ideas are not welcome which is ironic but when you throw in corporations and lobbyist you bring that clusterfuck on whole another level.

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>implying the left care about scientific truths when it doesn't fit their narrative

Pic related

>>135414502
>Democrat dropping red pills this hard
W-what time line is this?

>>135398786
>he tries to speak with proper grammar and sentence structure to seem smart
>reveals his idiocy through his own ignorance

>>135399375
>it's not the duty of science to be right
I think this is what OP was asking.

Why do leftists think that labelling something "science" makes questioning it heretical?

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>>135396308
>One group finds the "data" to be ideologically and economically inconvenient.
>One group finds the "data" to be ideologically and economically convenient.
>One, very small group, just finds data.

I think the issue just kinds goes from there.

>>135400090
Wow, are people still pushing that "No warming since 1997" bullshit?

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The fact that the Earth is warming isn't up for debate, it is whether we are responsible for contributing to that in any significant way. After all, there was an ice age before that came to an end without anything to do with man made interference. Certain people and scientists seem all too eager to demand money and place sanctions that wouldn't make any positive impact anyway, so any critical individual would begin to suspect an agenda.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-27/nasa-confirms-falling-sea-levels-two-years-amidst-media-blackout
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

>>135396308
Conservatism in general is anti-intellectual, this is why liberal societies like the U.S. and EU are bastions of world-class education and technological progress and ultra-conservative religious nations like Poland and Saudi Arabia are such miserable backwater hellholes

>>135396308
Leftist!Science =/= actual science

For instance, why should I care about so called "scientists" who change definitions and terms not based on new and verifiable knowledge but on the basis of political correctness? 30 years ago, transgenderism was a personality disorder that was treated with medication, but now it's a 'gender identity' that should be appreciated and promoted. What changed between then and now, except for political circumstances?

Get your commie politics out of science, and then we can talk.

>>135398541
Becuase Bill Nye with his degree in mechanical engineering is the most qualified person to talk about biological differences (or lack thereof) between races.

Races of humans are a proven fact of reality and biology, just like various breeds of dogs. Trying to force change on this question by claiming 'lol guise theres no races u can trust me im bill fuckin nye the science guy' is very scientific I'm sure.

>>135411702
>there are genes that make up 70% of IQ.

You must have been born without all of them then

>>135396957

The food pyramid is a prime example of government trying to do something good with science and then bowing to monied interests and bullshit. Has led to an obesity and heart disease crisis.

>>135405592
It's called 'replication crisis'. It's a well known fenomenon you dumb fuck.

>>135396308
science against Christian values should be banned

>>135396308
It has been proven time and time again that scientists are persuing leftist agendas or else lose leftist funding.

>>135396308
1) There's a difference between science and "science". Even among the scientific community there are considerable social, professional, and methodological differences between people in different fields. People in the hard sciences like physics and chemistry don't approach things the same way as people in applied sciences like engineering, soft sciences like biology and medicine, or social sciences like sociology and psychology. Liberals often treat all of these branches as being equally authoritative and rigorous, but they aren't.

2) There is an unfortunate trend among liberal scientists to abuse their position of authority on a given subject as a free pass to act as an authority on political issues. You see it all the time, whether it's Bill Nye (a mechanical engineer) commenting on race and gender science, NDT (an astronomer) commenting on economic and government policy, Richard Dawkins (a biologist) commenting on religious philosophy, etc. I work with complex and laboratory plasmas, I'm and authority on that topic and any of the topics tangentially related to it. That does not make me in any way qualified or make it in any way appropriate for me to portray myself as an authority on political issues.


Most conservatives and moderates trust scientists on scientific issues, and what distrust their mostly stems from scientists mixing their political agendas with their research.

>>135396566
>most published research papers are false.

What?

>>135405592
>Random bozo on /pol/ says science is faked. I'm so fucking red-pilled right now.

WTF I love science denial now.

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>>135407450
(((Rothkopf)))
>EVERY
>TIME
https://judas.watch/David_Rothkopf

>>135418653
But you don't understand, you're an authority on all other matters not related to your field because you being a scientist means your extra smart and therefore better than the rest of us

Yes this is how liberals think. They don't understand the difference between intelligence and knowledge. One could be intelligent as fuck and an Einstein in his field but in another field his actual knowledge is lacking (missing key points, not understanding jargon, etc). How do you expect someone who sepnt their entire lives researching lasers to be an expert in say, economics or politics? You don't, unless you're a leftist

>>135420147
Dumb ass fucking nigger, actually read the the thread

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>leftist posts retarded things
>gets BFOE'D
as always