I should be illegal to deny giving goods and services to people

>>135389063
I want and need you to kys

>>135389063
So if I can afford it why would I still pay for it if the same quality of care would be provided for free? And who pays the doctors then?

>>135389063
I can't afford a private jet, but I want one.
Build me a jet commie, and make it nice.

>>135389203
You obviously don't need airplanes. You can take the train. Healthcare and food is something else. People need it to survive.

In fact if we banned all private jets for the money they cost we could feed the world.

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Enjoy your slave morality, roach

you will NEVER amount to anything because instead of moving forward, you drag people behind you to claim superiority

truly the lowest trash to curse existence with its presence

>>135389192
i argued with a commie about exactly this once and he said the whole system is wrong if it depends on money.
there is no helping these retards

>>135389286
i think you meant if we sold the vatican

>>135389192
A mere 5% tax on all existing wealth like houses and cars and bank accounts could pay for everything we need for many many years.

>>135389286
>If you want it. And especially if you need it. You should get it.

I want it. I should get it. Your rules not mine.
>also implying trains go over the ocean

>>135389730
They would if we had a global train network like Stalin wanted.

>>135389063
I want an 80 foot yacht. If you don't build it for me, you're denying me my rights and I can use violence to compel you.

>>135389977

Didn't Stalin murder most of his party and establish a Nationalist state.

>>135389063
>If you want it. And especially if you need it. You should get it.

Such as your boipussi. Spread or you go to jail, commie boy.

>>135389063
i'm pretty sure some of those people deserve to die, but the solution is not to pump tax money to corrupt medical corporations.

>>135389473
I already pay property taxes, unfortunately. And I paid taxes on my car when I bought that too. How do you suppose I pay 5% of the value of these goods without liquidating them if I'm low on cash? You've already taken 5% of my bank accounts. And furthermore,
>everything we need for years to come.
>citation needed.

>>135389063

We'll negotiate that once we rid the world of nonwhite animals.

>>135389286
We've fed Africa 100 times over but all that happens is their population explodes, feeding them did not teach them how to live civilized or sustain themselves in fact it has prolonged the opposite

>>135390184
Traitors that were trying to undermine the revolution. You should understand. Drumpf seems to have a lot of the same problems.

And the doctors want their work houes paid in solid cash not empty checks from government, they need the payments to survive and keep on practicing, so you must pay your medication by yourself
Now I kindly implore you to go down the hallway and turn left

>>135389063
You care about healthcare? What about whitecare!

>>135389063
Tran yourself.

>>135390336

I'm okay with handouts and sharing and many communist ideas - but they are 100% ABSOLUTELY UNCONDITIONALLY DECLINED until there is an ethnostate established.

I'm not paying for NONWHITE people's healthcare. Get it through your head.

>>135390395
Ok. We will give a few gun ranges with toy guns in your gulag. There the whites can play and be happy if they want.

>>135390336
So are you, like, impressed that he hasn't had to murder anyone to solve them?

I wish I was soulless enough to LARP as a tankie, it seems really fun. Give me tips?

>>135389063
Good luck when you're markets collapse like in Venezuela. No society can afford infinity healthcare you have to draw the line somewhere.

Big healthcare is extremely corrupt and is bleeding our country dry. You want to give them MORE guaranteed income?

>>135390432
Disgusting racist. All people are the same. All deserve the same level of care. No matter their hair or skin color and regardless if they are able to for it or not.

>>135389063
>>135389286
Please kindly kys
Healthcare is nowhere near a right like food or shelter is because in reality you don't need it to survive
Its not like every human on earth "just" gets sick when they enter the age of 5 or something. Humans in itself do not need it to survive like they do with food or shelter that keeps them warm..

>>135390336
Those traitors were mostly sick, crazy Jews.

>>135390490
Venezuela is a monarchy under control by king maduro the evil. It is not Socialism.

>>135389473
The solution is to liquidate everything and rent an apartment to avoid the stupid one time communist "you have more than me so I'm going to bitch and cry about how money is the problem, certainly not the fact I'd rather complain than do even one damned thing the market might value" tax.

I think that's the technical name of the tax, anyways.

>>135390584
There it is. The true face of the alt right. The virgin blames the defenseless jews for his failure.

>>135389063
I want your money, your house, your clothes, your food, your wife, your children and everything that belongs to you, right now.

>>135390543
Pygmies with an IQ of 65 are the same as me. We should send all of our resources to them so they can get chemo therapy.

>>135390336

Wasn't these so called traitors the architects of said revolution and the global revolution in general.

Also, side note, when's uh.. Y'all's 'revolution' supposed to kick off and what makes you so certain the military is on your side.

>>135389171
fpbp

>>135390683
No, its a fact. Stalin was purging the worst of the Jews from The Party. How do you not know this?

>>135390663
Agree. Housing is too important to leave it in private hands. We have more empty homes than homeless. If we redistributed everything it would work out more than fine.

>>135389063
If you can afford a disease then you should be able to afford the cure.

For example treating wounded crime victims and accident survivors should be free.

Diabetes tratment should not.

>>135390751
Anti semitic and anti communist lies invented by the west.

>>135390613
The economic issues are the result of socialist policies. The same nonsense that broke the USSR.

I want a ps4

>>135390827
The economic issues are because of sanctions from capitalist nations that fear a strong independent Socialist state. So they squash it before it becomes too strong.

>>135390821
lol. He killed almost every Jew that was in the original politbureau. They had been pushing all the same kooky free love shit they are doing today. It was destroying society.

Human rights are a spook

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Anything you can't get on your own is not a right and it sure as fuck isn't basic.

>>135390543
These are factually wrong. Race and Species are different.

>>135390922
Thats some nice dogma you have there. Too bad it has no truthful foundation.

>>135389063
I want your shoes right now, give them to me

>>135390991
You can't be serious. What kind of monster would even type something like this.

>>135389063
Get fucked. No one deserves anything they didn't work for. And stay on your side of the fucking wall.

>>135391015
There is only one human race. And there is certainly only one human species.

Sorry, it's not. And not because it hasn't been made a law, simply it makes no real moral, philosophical or logical sense.

>>135391088
Says who?

>>135390922
So. Hypothetically let's say you build your socialist state. Another country becomes world capitalist power. Everyone else sanctions you too.

What do you do.

>>135391088
>citation needed

>>135391088
False.

There is Humanity, and there is the sub-species that make of the kingdom of man. All differ from each other in culture, skin, resistences, language, body structure, bone structure, etc.

I know you're larping but come on.

>>135389286
I obviously need it, who are you to state otherwise?

>>135391140
>>135391116
every basic science book. And yes, your racist /pol/ infograph memes do NOT count as science.

>>135391043
>You can't be serious
But I am. Being a human doesn't entitle you to my property.

>>135389063
If health care is a right, taking care of you health is the resulting duty. How many lazy people are draining the health care system with their illnesses resulting from their style of life?

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>>135390324
To extrapolate on this point, only the threat of starving to death (or being forced to work at gunpoint ie slavery) will motivate people to work for a living and thus not be pure parasites.

Supporting billions of parasites is cool if that's your prerogative but why? Should the parasite class have rights? Class mobility, if they choose to start working? Is the abolition of working the end goal, and thus being a NEET is the real redpill?

I just can't understand why supporting people who make bad life decisions like making themselves obese and getting diabetes and health issues is in their best interests. It seems like it would be in their best interests to be let to die so that future generations learn and don't let themselves become fat, drug and alcohol addicted, and sedentary. Sometimes you gotta cut off a rotted foot to save the body.

>>135389473
And a mere bullet to the head would stop cunts from stealing.

>>135390760
I'm not sure comprehension is your strong suit, because my post referred to cashing out all my taxable assets as described by (((you))) (including bank accounts) to avoid your asinine tax through renting a home. At which point I can buy a car/house. In no way did I, or would I ever, agree with anything that comes from the mouth of a fucking pinko.

If you're so inclined to share everything with everyone just to make things fair, why don't you let me fuck your wife/girlfriend? It's a mere one-time tax on your wife/girlfriend, so to speak.

>>135391239
If you have something that you don't need and something else needs something that he doesn't have, then basic logic says it should be handed over.
This is not a hard concept to understand.

Health is a right as much as sex or breeding

>>135389977
But the bolsheviks under stalin weren't true commie filth.

>>135391236
"History is written by the victors."

Explains a lot.

These yippies and their interest in making sure everyone survives. You know removal of the weak from the gene pool helps man kind. Yet you want to FORCE their existence. Heath care is bloated in the usa. Bring back capitalist values.

>>135391088
>one human race. And there is certainly only one human species.
do you know that the whole point of races is to separate beings from the same species right?

>>135391313
>If you have something that you don't need and something else needs something that he doesn't have, then basic logic says it should be handed over.
But I don't want to, because then I don't have that something anymore.

>>135389063
I want a new gibson les paul custom..gibs now
REEEeeeeeEEeee

>>135391269
>only the threat of starving to death will motivate people to work

This is insane. If you make jobs worth working for, people will do them because they love the activity. Not because they live in constant fear of ruin if they get fired, like under capitalism.

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>>135389063
healthcare is the only thing I feel should be accessible for everyone on the basis of what used to be the hippocratic oath, its a sacred duty to help one's fellow man and it was changed by american practitioners to have completely different wording and meaning.

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>>135389171
>I want and need you to kys

>>135389473
>could pay for everything we need for many many years
No it couldn't. Whatever Commie government decided to do something like this would squander the cash, and they'd need another 5% tax the year after, and the year after, and the year after.

>>135390543
>All deserve the same level of care.
Yes, none.

>>135391492
wtf I'm a commie now

>>135391492
>If you make jobs worth working for, people will do them because they love the activity.
There are jobs that need to be done, but will never be convenient for people. You don't 'want' to stand in the heat to repair a main line, but you have to, or else people won't have water.

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>>135391313
>logic
>should

>>135389063
Health care is not a human right. What is health care? Other people servicing you. You do not have a right to other people servicing you. Gee, that was real easy.

>>135391544
Why not. You can take 5% of something a lot of times. If it saves humanity from starvation and global climate meltdown why not do it?

Saving the planet is more important than your fancy McMansion.

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if you can't get it yourself you don't deserve it, why can't you commies learn that economic Darwinism is the best mentality?

>>135389063
I need your liver. I need it. I should get it.

Now lie on table and lets start the surgery.

>>135389063
>Soviet flag
>Bernie
>retarded argument
You're obviously trolling but you were also able to push anything through, so you have no one to blame but yourself. If only leading were as easy as obstructing. The ball was in your court and it isn't the democrats' fault that you were too fucking stupid to do anything with it.

>>135391623
>flag
You've always been a Commie.

Honestly this whole thread is a spook

Nobody on pol is a Communist.

Nobody actually believes this but a bunch of crazy kids in punk outfits and Bob cuts.

Hell, normal, average working middle class Americans don't care.

>>135391689
Actually I bought a 50 year old fixer-upper. Quite comfy though, and I'm quickly becoming a DIY fool.

>>135389063
If you quit using health (((insurance))) and health care interchangeably, you'd make a better point.

>>135391754
There are millions of us.

>>135389286
>take a train to australia

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>>135389171
Fpbp

You know what we don't need op? Niggers and communists like you.

>>135391738
I digress

>>135391689
Because eventually, no one has any wealth left, except the central socialist party which runs the state, and oops-
there you go creating a class based system of oppression.

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Alright guys I'm done here. How was the larp? Too thick?

>>135391754
>Hell, normal, average working middle class Americans don't care.
Oh, they care, they just aren't going to do anything about it. If the Revolution started, and shooting Commies became permissible, I promise you that Joe Schmo down the street would be on board with wiping them out.

>>135391798
Even if there were 3 million of you, that would only be 1% of the population.

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Op, communism is a Jewish trick to take power as a plutocratic oligarchy. Stop being such a utopian faggot.

Thanks,

The rational world

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>>135390613
That's not what comrade Sanders thinks

If y'all weren't underage or likewise braindead you'd understand that you're already coughing up money for others' healthcare, this is the entire point of health insurance - people pay into the system so that funds are available to be directed to them when they need it.

Single-payer systems are better because you can vote the government officials out of office and foce the government to retool its system of paying for healthcare.

In the US, it is federally mandated that we have health insurance. Enough said, really.

>>135391689

Or I could keep what I earn and voluntarily give to efforts I'd like to see funded.

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>stealing my stuff so some fag can get gibs
Come and try if you want a bullet to the face you commie bastard.

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>>135389063
>If you want it.
nope.

>>135391798

So do it already. What's holding you back?

>>135389063
All commies should be rounded up, placed against a wall or a ditch filled with lime and repeatedly shot until they die.

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>dems make fun of christfags for not believing in evolution
>they actively want to destroy the entire concept of evolution by keeping everything alive instead of weeding out the weak

Why could humanity recover from the black plague and be stronger but now letting anyone die is a world ending crisis?

>>135391313
>This is not a hard concept to understand.
Then this one should be a piece of cake for you. I create through hard work the wealth which allows me to purchase things I do not necessarily need, but enjoy. The government, as it stands, can reasonably tax certain things to provide (((services))). But the moment some commie tries to take my shit because some lazy nigger, spic, mudslime, gypsy, redneck, chink, German, Australian, leaf, Russian, Britbong, potato-nigger, Nord, or fucking Frenchman has less than me that is where I draw the fucking line.

Get a damned job and create your own fucking wealth. Keep your hands a mile away from mine. Simple.

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>>135392068


NO GIVE ME THINGS

I WANT THINGS

GFIVE THINGS TO ME

>>135392033
>Vote out government officials
I'm all for that

Our we could just get money out of politics and remove lobbyist.

>>135392033
>private insurance
>not government mandated
>a.k.a. bought of my own volition
For a pirate you seem confused about the concept of liberty.

>>135389063
Human rights were figured out a long time ago. America was founded on God Given natural rights. Money take from the people by the government then put into a massive bureaucracy of government healthcare services is not one of those rights. In fact it is a violation of those rights.

Comunism/Socialism is equal distribution of poverty.

This is main reason post soviet block is still catching up.

I wish all those pandered pseudo communist groving up in rich countries would get sten to some NK rural village and experience communism in full glory.

Those pseudo commie kids make me sick.

Immagine the second amendment guys would believe that "right" means that the state has to pay for their weapons/ammo.

The right only means that the gouverment can't prevent you from getting it.
You still have to pay for it.

>>135392143
I like the way you think. The healthcare industry wins under both Obamacare and Trumpcare, we're all just along for the ride.

ITT:
>What is the hippocratic oath

Two comments
1. Ban jews from banking they like to do things like the federal reserve.

2. Mass cull the baby boomers they drain way more from society than they will ever put in.

>>135392218
Didn't Austria have their weapons removed already, and then the gov slaughtered them?

I don't see healthcare as a human right but I do like to use it.

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We can all agree OP is a bitch who doesn't work and wants everything handed to him good job OP.

>>135391492
Fuck that shit you're not gonna get 5 people per fast food joint and 10 per retail store, AND get any decent measure of productivity if you don't incentivize it. Pay them or put a gun to their heads other say goodbye to even basic easy jobs that a granny could do but nobody wants to

>>135392154
What part of Obamacare's "personal mandate" do you not fucking understand?

If you don't have health insurance, you are fined by the government and must cough up more when tax time rolls around. That's not liberty, that's coercion.

Fuck you. Moron.

>>135392225
I don't like the way I think. The USA government is completely corrupt from lobbyist. All the BS anyone has a problem with is because of money interest. Removing money from politics should be on the tip of all citizens tongues.

Someone explain why healthcare works in every western country besides the US?

>>135389063
I wonder if the socialist swine will join me during a shift to breathe some toxic fumes to make money to pay healthcare for Tawanishaquawbla and her eight crotchgoblins.

No?

Of course not, because Sanders is a socialist swine, and socialist swines don't work for the shit they want.

>>135392305
Yeah, Hitler took away our weapons because we were in civil war when he marched in.

>>135392509
You pay with wait times I hear. Many a story of Swedes and Canuckians coming to my country to receive medical care

>>135392346
I also like to live, but agree that I should not

>>135392433
I know it's coercion. Your post made you seem all for single payer, which would force you, via individual mandate, to buy insurance that you may or may not want/need. That is antithetical to liberty.

>17.5% of all posts ITT are by OP
Should we just forcefully tax everyone the amount of effort OP invested in this one thread, or can I just tell commies to fuck off?

No matter how much money you spend, everybody is going to die.

What about chillens and shit my man, commies are gay but this whole free market or nothing else shit is autism.

>>135392643
I don't have any control over the health insurance industry.

If I take all the other smelly pirates to the ballot box we can affect change. That's liberty.

Living under a system where a fucking fine is held over your head until you do the thing anyway is not.

>>135392572
Thanks to health insurance I don't need to wait for shit mate.

>>135392547
Thanks for clearing that up. Did you happen to reinstall your gun rights?

>>135392667
Well at least he IS giving out to people. In bad way tho.
>>135392532
This. I just love that most hate for socialism comes form ex-commie countries.

>>135391891
Are you at least an Australian? It was a little too thick, but you can never tell these days. Most commies aren't Stalinists though, so I let things slide that should have made it obvious.

>>135389473
How about killing all communist and socialist swines and redistributing their stuff? Coincidentally only upper class cocksuckers would be killed.

>>135389977
>Stalin

Stalin? Why do you talk about Stalin? Since when does a communist care about rich state capitalist?

when you get prosecuted, you have the right to have a lawyer help you
when you get assaulted you have the right for a cop to help you
so when you are dying why shouldnt you have the right for a doctor to help you?

>>135392532
>>135393266
He was an ancap larping as a Marxist see>>135391891

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>>135389063

>>135389286
We couldn't.

>>135389063
So why would I get up at 6am to go to work if I can just get all my needs for free?

>>135393313
6th amendment
there is no healthcare amendment

>>135389063
Why?
Why are you so special?

Nobody is really worth shit.
Only what you do is worth a shit.
That's why you get paid to do shit.
And you pay people to do shit.

>>135390613
Socialist ideology ignores the uncomfortable truth that people are greedy assholes that will fuck each over on an instant for the smallest advantage. Socialism centralizes power into a small group of people who invariably use that power to their own advantage.
>100 million citizens of socialism dead, give or take 10 million
>muh not true socialism
I guess you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, huh?

>>135389063
No one dies because of a lack of health care, emergency rooms are required by law to treat everyone who shows up.

>>135393170
So this. When I look at swines from RAZEM (3-4% communist party) it makes me sick.

>>135389063
hes right
amerisharts are so retarded in that sense
>get shot
>cant afford insurance
>die
meanwhile you pay for illegal shitskins welfare, education and even let them vote

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>>135390683

>>135392880
No, European gun laws in general are a leftover from the second wold war.
The other countries took our gun laws for some reason.
I mean, telling people that you will legalize guns always makes you look like a lunatic.
It's comparable to smoking ban for children.
It used to be legal/the responsibility of the parents.
Try to tell people that you want to get rid of age restriction for tobacco nowadays.

>>135389063
only scum talks about human rights while ignoring all the human wrongs in history

go fucking read history books and you will abandon your retarded quest to protect humanity

>>135390683
>Says everyone is equal
>Thinks he's better than everyone on /pol/

You know it's funny how communism is the only ideology to make the "that's not real X" argument. You never see fascists or capitalists say "that wasn't real fascism or capitalism".

It's a privilege not a right. The only rights you have is freedom, liberty and property.

>>135393946
I get that. I'm all for tobacco use as well :P screw it if that's your vice then so be it. I don't agree in a public health care system that pays for those who suffer from their own stupidity in choosing to smoke ect.

However I have a hard time grasping peoples problem with guns. I'll explain you probably already agree givin your other post. but I'll say it for all. It's either everyone focuses on Martial arts or sudden take downs ect (Killing others with your hands) or you have guns. The pro with guns is that Ole Granny that you love so dear, can protect herself at home in her living room from the unlawful and wicked. No martial arts could save her no phone. Erasing the hate/fear of guns would help save the innocent.

>>135393582
there should be added one

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>>135389063
Waaaaah! I can't afford a 225 foot yacht so you have to buy me one!
You have phrased your argument in such a retarded fashion it is indefensible, OP.
If you want universal healthcare, here is the pirate party solution.
1. Round up all insurance and drug company executives and lobbyists and load them onto a barge.
2. Tow that barge twenty miles out to sea into shark infested waters, and sink it.
3. Shoot any of the fuckers that do manage to swim back to shore.
When I as an American buy my generic anti-seizure medication, it costs $5.00 per pill. In Canada, the same drug costs $0.22 per pill.
We do not need communism, we need to be rid of the tyrannical control of money influencing politics. It really is that simple.

>>135394387
I totally agree, but most Europeans fall for the propaganda and think that guns increase violent crime because the US has more crime per capira than most European countries.
And given the status quo that all people are equal they can't think about the idea that certain minorities in the US are the reason for these crime statistics.

>>135391236
"every basic science book"

I am afraid "Humanities" and "Gender Studies" are not accepted as science here.

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>>135389063
Living is a privilege, Death is a right.

>>135389063
I need a new van. Will Bernie give me one? I really need it. I just dont wanna pay for one.

>>135389171
Fpbp

>>135389473
Only if all the niggers give the exact same amount as everyone else that contributes. If not then no go.

>>135389171
fpbp
Fuck off commies

Is Bernie not right? Why is it countries like the UK and Thailand has free, high quality healthcare, yet the supposed greatest nation on Earth does not? Huh burgers?

If Bernie sold his houses, we could provide healthcare to people who need it.

>>135389171
Honestly though you just shut down his entire argument.

>>135389063
Do you have an example of any person in America being turned away from an ambulance or ER treatment because of no health insurance?...

Yeah, me neither.

>>135389063
there's a profound difference between "should' and "having the resources to be able to do this without the whole system falling apart"
Its all nice feel good rhetoric and all, but it won't happen unless we somehow reach the point upon which we have resources far in excess of what ALL people actually need.
And we currently have over 8 billion in need of resources, would you won't appreciate this until you face the scenario of having to give up resources that you NEED because someone higher up decided that someone else needed them more.
And before you go on a rant about economic systems, this happens under every last one of them, that's just how the real world functions, trying to spread the meager resources we have around enough to make things work.

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>>135391492
>This is insane
>that flag
Pretty much every large scale operation of communism has required this to get people to work though, that's why they fail, because they are based upon fear instead of reward.
And take a look at where the west is going, and tell me we aren't heading the same way, straying away from the very things that let us outlive the soviets.

>>135389286

But I want and need you to die painfully of starvation and a lack of healthcare.

>>135389063

Then we should also have subscriptions for police and military protection. After all, nobody deserves anything they can't personally pay for right?

What about when the Government makes the decision that you're not worth saving so then you find a way to get that money and they still tell you to fuck off... Is this about money or control?

The socialized healthcare countries of world are trying to be on their best behavior to influence the US citizenry. Once the US goes single payer you'll see a global eugenics agenda swing into action full throttle.

Careful what you wish for...

"giving goods and services".

are we now expanding this stupid health care debate to goods and services now?

oh, just noticed the flag, faggot GTFO.

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>>135396947
I had a seizure on a sidewalk in Colorado so severe I could not walk when I came out of it. I have healthcare. I was taken by ambulance to a hospital and monitored for 5 hours (Pulse machine, blood pressure check when nurse makes rounds).
I was not given any medications or water during this time, even though I had asked for water repeatedly. When they released me (9:30 P.M on a Sunday night) I was given a bus pass to get home and wheelchaired to a bus stop in 30 Degree F (-1 Degree C) weather in my day clothes even thou the next bus was at 6:00 A.M. the next day. The hospital release papers informed me that I had had a seizure and was dehydrated. My insurance was billed about $4,000 and my copay was $2.00. I was not charged much, but was not helped at all, and was never even put in a room, I was in a hospital bed in a hallway the whole time. Our healthcare system in America is run by thieves.

>>135389171
holy shit op btfo in the first post

>>135389063
It is immoral - and should be illegal - to give goods and services to people that can't afford to pay for them.

If you want it. And especially if you need it. You should earn it.

Do you people have brain damage? Walk into any state funded hospital without a single dollar -- they will treat you. Healthcare is a basic human right.

Health insurance on the other hand is a product. You have absolutely no right to a product for free. Medicare and medicaid already exist for disabled, elderly and underprivileged children. Everyone else can get off their dead ass and find a job with benefits.

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What part of the Bill of Rights says healthcare a god given right? It's not. That's freedom from consequence which is not allowed in this dimension reality.

>>135389063
If healthcare is a human right, then slavery is a human requirement.

>>135389063

To prevent betas from going on mass shootings, are you going to provide them with your gf, free of charge?

>>135401245

This

This is how leftists con the public. Bullshit wordplay.

>>135389063
i can't afford prostitutes, but i want and need sex.

gib pussy now.

>implying everyone is worth saving

>>135401306
>Then slaves are a mandatory class
Ftfy

I need dead commie to fuck him. Give it to me NOW.

>>135389063
Yes everything should be free and the rich should pay for it.

>>135389171
>and the commie has NO response

lol

>>135389063
only niggers believe this, are you a nigger? i bet so

>>135389063
I agree people shouldn't be put to death, because it's too expensive to treat them.

Cough cough Charlie.

>>135389063
>demands socialized healthcare
>gets free healthcare for life because he's a senator and therefore never has to deal with the consequences of socialized healthcare

Really makes me eat a homemade coconut

is niggers stealing stages a basic right too asshole

>>135389286
if I had room/food/healthcare paid for I wouldn't do anything. that's why communism doesn't work.

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>>135391492
ignoring all the politics and shit, lets just imagine this world exists and jobs really are only done by people who like them and enjoy the work

imagine being in an elevator with another guy, asking him what his job is and his answer is "i clean septic tanks"

>>135391492
>because they love the activity
world needs ditch diggers

>>135389171
FPBP

>>135389063
The fact is that healthcare institutions in the US are already required to keep people from dying for free.
Anyone who says people are dying because they can't get treatment is a liar. Unfortunately, many people believe liars.

The problem is that they aren't required to pay for preventative care, which is actually cheaper to do.
Since there has been no system for providing actual, basic services, people wait until a crisis when they cannot be denied. The doctors and hospitals then do extensive diagnostic testing and advanced treatment in the most expensive setting to avoid liability.

E,g. A 55-y/o male with diverticulitis could be treated adequately for years with $100 annual checkups and occasional antibiotics that cost $35.
Managed properly, $1350 for 10years.
Without that however, one crisis which, left untreated, requires a trip to ER can easily cost $10,000 due to diagnostics and more expensive treatments.
Without management, another crisis occur every 3 years.
Over 10 years, the system will pay more than $30K.

In the "old days", the Doctor would have given the patient preventative care on a contingency or barter based on a personal interaction..

The town folk would NOT have been forced to pay for services the doctor did not prescribe or want to provide to a patient he does not know, from another town.
Today, a doctor cannot provide services at a reduced cost even if he wants to. It is illegal

Our healthcare system is broken but it cannot be fixed by politicians.
It must fail.

>>135389063
Do you see animals having free healthcare ? No, it's against nature and natural selection. If you can'T survive on your own you deserve to die. Fuck I know a guy with Osteogenesis imperfecta in school and even he manages to survive on his own. You Commies are literally worse than cripples.

>>135405254
the idea of preventative medicine even saving money is completely wrong
people die instead of finding out problems currently
your example is a nice story but doesnt represent most issues

>>135389473
there isn't enough liquid capital to take 5% of wealth and move it simultaneously.

you clearly don't even know what "wealth" actually is.

Healthcare is not a right. NO ONE has a right to the services of another. To force such a thing is tyrannical.

Funny thing, lefties keep moaning and whining about anything that is a right should be given for free or subsidized by government, yet they never seem to use this argument in regards of second amendment, I mean after all, americans have a right to own guns, why the fuck isn't the government giving everybody AR15?