Cuba is better than the US: A Tumblr Delusion

>>135363552

bump

>>135364051
morons, cuba is not that bad, but not like this idiot puts it

>>135364656
>let's escape the US on a floating car boat and go to glorious Cuba
Said no one EVER

http://www.floatingcubans.com

>>135363552

>asked by the maid

If Cuba is so great why is she a fucking maid in America?

Cuba is one of the more functional Latin American states, but it's no paradise.

That said, I'm sure there are people in the USA who live far worse than people in Cuba - in fact, due to scale, there are probably more people in the USA living worse than in Cuba than there are people in Cuba. The USA is a country of extremes.

The point is that these kinds of comparisons are usually pointless. Different countries, different demographics, different context -
different outcome.

>>135363552
this is grade A bullshit, Cuba is a shithole and the literacy rate is fucking false, Cuba was already a rich and educated country before the revolution, they changed that pretty quickly when it comes to wealth

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Also
>no, there's no food allowance

If you go to a country full of people who know nothing about life in the US and then lie through your teeth about how bad it is, of course they will believe you and be shocked by your grisly fairy tales.

>>135367146
This, many starbucks socialists get a taste of reality when they go to communist/socialist countries

>>135363552
National socialism did it better

>>135367052
USA has more niggers than Cuba

>>135363552
Bump

Also faggots over 40 too busy lapping up the media "socialism sucks" propaganda need not write.

Fuck republican establishment for creating this hysteria. Fuck dems for continuing.

>>135367052
you're a retard and have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>135367238
This is what should actually be on the food coupon

>>135367617
And what are your credentials, anon? Do they extend any deeper than "I read some Cracked.com articles a few years ago?"

Please, tell me.

Cuba fascinates me and I've done a lot of reading of both traveller's accounts and academic materials. If you've got something valuable and well-researched to say about Cuba I genuinely want to know. But if you're another Cold War relic who thinks that the country hasn't changed since the 60s just because the cars haven't you can fuck right off.

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>>135363552
>minimum food allowance
I stopped reading right there, these people could never live with that.

P.S. Here's an old (1997) article debunking a lot of her myths anyway.
http://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/v08-30smith.pdf

>>135367866
Everything is scarce in Havana: http://www.newgeography.com/content/004968-havana-cuba-the-city-of-scarcity

The bread tastes like shit; decent tasting bread is a luxury for the rich:
https://translatingcuba.com/bread-in-the-rationed-market-is-an-unsolved-problem/

Cuban internet is slow, heavily censored, expensive, and illegal to have in a private residence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Cuba

Cuba's health system is a farce, designed to give the illusion to foreigners of success by cutting costs when it comes to the average citizen. Only the oligarchs and foreigners get anything close to resembling first world care:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432680/myth-cuban-health-care
(BTW, you know the story in the OP about eye surgery is a load of shit because there was not that long ago a big public relations push by Cuba talking SPECIFICALLY about eye surgery which the poster obviously read about and was referencing. This, of course, ignores all the other glaring issues with cuban healthcare.)


Criticizing the government in Cuba is heavily censored and can land you in jail:
http://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/mar/22/raul-castro/are-there-political-prisoners-cuba/

But no, America is worse because....? I dunno, you're just a retarded australian shitposter I guess.

>>135370245
Archive
>http://politifact com/global-news/statements/2016/mar/22/raul-castro/are-there-political-prisoners-cuba
https://archive.is/AGJqw

>>135370245
>America is worse
I never said this you fucking retard. Seriously, fucking kill yourself. You blind ideologues only want to soapbox and when someone doesn't give you the opportunity you'll fucking invent it.

You are a cancer that destroys rational discussion on /pol/ and should fuck off back to pleddit where the only thing you ever have to read is a perfect 10/10 mirror of your own views. You'll be much happier there.

>>135368007
I wonder how hard it would be to flip them over that railing.
I do so hate to see whales out of their natural environments. Beaching is a major concern and it's everyones duty to help these unfortunate beasts find their way back into the ocean.

>>135370524
>rational discussion on /pol/
anon..

These commies should be thrown into the ocean and forced to swim to their favorite hellhole of choice.

>>135370524
>That said, I'm sure there are people in the USA who live far worse than people in Cuba - in fact, due to scale, there are probably more people in the USA living worse than in Cuba than there are people in Cuba.

this is completely and utterly false.

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You fucking idiot OP, my mom when she was six years old and my grandparents fled to miami from cuba. They were literally starving in that socialist shithole. My grandfather worked very hard on a sugar cane export buiness and castro took it all away from him.

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>>135371464
>this is completely and utterly false.
Are you sure about that?
>, a new group of American poor has emerged: families with children who are living on virtually no income—$2 or less per person per day in a given month. These are America’s “extreme poor.” The U.S. official poverty line for a family of three would equate to roughly $17 per person per day. What scholars call “deep poverty”—incomes at less than half the poverty line—is about $8.50 per person per day, over four times higher than our cutoff. This new group of American poor, the extreme poor, are likely experiencing a level of destitution not captured in prior poverty measures, one that
few of us knew even existed in such a rich country.

>This figure shows that the number of households living on $2 or less in cash income per person per day in a given month increased from about 636,000 in 1996 to about 1.65 million in mid-2011, a growth of 159.1 percent. In mid-2011 about 3.55 million children lived in extreme poverty in a given month (see Table 2).4

http://web.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/pathways/summer_2014/Pathways_Summer_2014_ShaeferEdin.pdf

This is just extreme poverty, but like I said, the US is a country of extremes.

>>135371843
yeah but now they have to pay for their own eye surgey. Isn't starvation and severe scarcity worth it?

>>135372044
Lol

>>135371843
And good fucking riddance, fucking parasites can leave instead of sucking the blood of workers
The fact they weren't shot on the spot should be evidence enough the cubans were cool dudes

>>135363552
>THERES NO FOOD ALLOWANCE IN AMERICA! IF YOU DONT HAVE MONEY YOU WILL DIE!!!

what about foodstamps/EBT, disability, unemployment, WIC, social security, food banks?

And yes. We DO have govt food programs.

Fuck when I was a kid we were poor as FUCK and my dad got laid off. The govt gave us a big box of ultra generic food with plain white labels every week. It would be a plain white can that just said "BEANS" or a plain white box simply labled "PASTA." They literally gave us so much we always had stuff leftover and after a few weeks didnt have any room left in the pantry. Dad finally got a job and tried to tell them we didnt need it anymore. The govt food guy JUST WOULDNT STOP COMING TO OUR HOUSE.

We had so much free food from the govt we literally didnt have room for it and donated it all to a private food bank. The USA doesnt just have food programs for the poor, they fuckin give out too much food to the poor for them to have room to store all of it. If you are hungry in the US and have no money its because your too stupid to aplly for any of these quite frankly over funded programs.

>>135372011
>Are you sure about that?
Yes.

>>, a new group of American poor has emerged: families with children who are living on virtually no income—$2 or less per person per day in a given month. These are America’s “extreme poor.” The U.S. official poverty line for a family of three would equate to roughly $17 per person per day. What scholars call “deep poverty”—incomes at less than half the poverty line—is about $8.50 per person per day, over four times higher than our cutoff. This new group of American poor, the extreme poor, are likely experiencing a level of destitution not captured in prior poverty measures, one that

And? their access to government programs are much better than cuba. They can get free internet from numerous public locales (all internet in cuba is in public locales but you have to pay to use it), they can get free healthcare miles ahead of the cuban healthcare for citizens with medicare (medicare sucks compared to normal US healthcare, but its WAYYYY better than the cuban healthcare system), they can get free food from charities and food stamps, actual food that you and I eat that's not just stale bread, they can have a place to live with subsidized housing that's decent, they're allowed to speak their mind against our current system, and they have way more opportunities to break out of poverty than the cuban people. Oh, and they can actually wipe their asses after they shit. There's no conceivable way these people are worse off than the cuban people. They're worse off than other americans though, but that's not what this discussion is about.

>>135372359
Commie nigger my grandfather literally was a "worker" he carried pounds of sugar to harbors along side his employes. Fuck off with your working class bullshit. Castro regime only damaged such class.

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Yeah, my family left Cuba because it was soooo much better.

>>135372617
Nice fantasy, but it's not borne out by the reality of extreme poverty in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyieyMwWgoM

Also:
>they're allowed to speak their mind against our current system
This is, ironically, the same platitudes that communists offer about poverty in their own systems. "The Soviet worker is poorer, but he is happier!" People need shoes before they need politics.

>>135372011
I was a law enforcement officer for a number of years. I dealt with these people. Its inevitably one of two things going on.

Mental illness or drug abuse. These people arent just poor average joes who got fucked by the mean ol capitalists. Theyre either too crazy or too strung out to apply for benifits, and generally exist via a long string of petty thefts and sympathy from strangers.

They usually live in remote rural areas and they usually steal and sell stupid shit like scrap metal and tools from the back of people's trucks. Chainsaws are particularly popular targets for such theft.

>>135373498
Yeah, and you guys have an entire subculture of gasoline huffing, road napping, incest lovin, klepto maniacs roving about your nation. So please. Tell me how poverty, crime, minorities, and general populations of the unfortunate are a uniqueley american phenominon.

There has not been a culture on earth to date that didnt have beggars and paupers.

>>135363552
>taking care of people is the government's job

And here is where the fatal disagreement lies.
They want a paternalist, ever-present government that looks after all of their needs.

I want a government that lets me do those things for myself, because I'm an adult and I don't need my hand held for my entire life.

>>135373659
There definitely is some of that, but a lot of it is simply that there are no jobs. The US labour market has been hollowed out at the bottom end and even people in extreme poverty who can work and want to work can't work.

I'm work in a law office and I see the kind of people you're talking about all the time and you're absolutely right, they do exist, but it's not the whole story. Sometimes normal people get trapped in poverty through a combination of circumstance and bad luck. People reject this idea because it scares them; it can happen to you.

>>135373968
Again with the "attacking things that I never said."

You people are a blight.

>>135374204
1.5 million are "extreme poverty" cases.

323 million population total. That = .005% of the population living that way.

In other words one 500th of a percent. I hate to tell you bruh, but that basically is just our population of hobos described in big scary alarmist news speak.

I bet one five hundreth of a percent of your nation beg for pennies per day to survive too. Its just hobos man.

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>>135374560
I don't think you understand what this argument is about.

Please tell me the central point that is being debated as you understand it.

>>135370277
marry me

>>135374754
>id: yo-ho

>>135373498
>Nice fantasy, but it's not borne out by the reality of extreme poverty in the USA.

you're really fucking stupid. You didn't refute jack shit I said.


>Also:
>they're allowed to speak their mind against our current system
This is, ironically, the same platitudes that communists offer about poverty in their own systems. "The Soviet worker is poorer, but he is happier!" People need shoes before they need politics.

Right, and that's what the 20 million government and private charity policies are for.

Also the soviet worker is not happier, that's just a platitude, but the ability to make political change is real. Again, you're really fucking dumb if you can't see the difference. The fact that complete retards like you have no political power in cuba is one benefit it has over our country.

>>135370277
my bad, the aussies retardedness made me forget to archive.

>>135366737
She's in Cuba retard

>>135374899
>You didn't refute jack shit I said.
Did you watch the video?

How am I, someone who has never experienced extreme poverty in the USA, supposed to refute what you just said? I can't. I have no first hand experience, I've never spoken with anyone who does. That's why I rely on the qualified opinions of experts and the primary sources that they present. Hence, the video, which is from a sociologist who wrote a book on this very topic who can, and does, illustrate her points with specific people and the things she witnessed them do.

You, on the other hand, must be speaking from first hand experience because you haven't cited a single thing on this topic. Right? You wouldn't just be mouthing off on something you know nothing about, inventing talking points to support a belief you hold that you can't admit to yourself you haven't properly researched?

>Right, and that's what the 20 million government and private charity policies are for.
And tell me if you please how these organisations intersect with the extreme poor in America. You must know, right. You brought them up so surely you have arguments backed by evidence to illustrate their relevance? Because I have arguments backed by evidence that these organisations do nothing to help the extreme poor at all, which is why the extreme poor are, in fact, extremely poor. Living in remote and rural parts of America many of these people are outside the reach of private charity, and the government programs you quote often amount to nothing more than SNAP assistance which has to be exchanged for cash illegally at 60 cents to the dollar so that they can afford necessities, trading hunger for clothes or utilities.

Meanwhile, in Cuba, utilities are free.

>>135363552
>taking care of the people is the government's job
Fucking commies.

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>>135363552
Before the ((Revolution)) Cuba was as wealthy as Spain and the third richest Latin American country after Argentina and Uruguay.

Imagine where Cuba would be without gommunism today and weep.

>>135374666
Lemme break it down for you. UN international poverty line is $2 US per day.

5% of cuba's population rate below this line according to unicef, cubas population is 11 million.

Thats about 550,000 people in utter abject poverty. Or a little less than half the total number the USA has living like that. But.... its 5% of thier population who live like that vs .005% of the US population in such circumstances.

Saying "hurr dhurr theres more of em in the USA" is pure retardation. They are an infetesimally tiny portion of US societey vs cuba's 5%.

5% is 2.5% more than america's LGBT population. 5% is a population percentage that has definite bearing as an actual demographic within a societey.

.005% is nothing. Its a fluke, random people too stupid, crazy, or strung out to do more than eat out of trashcans and beg for change. Its nothing, and obviously a pretty good indicator that the USA's labor market hasnt "bottomed out." Theres tons of labor jobs within the USA, people just dont do them because our over funded welfare system pays them not to work.

And any single one of that .005% could willingly apply for these benifits in addition to the plethora of soup kitchens, food banks, shelters, and a veritable army of relief workers. The fact that they dont speaks more volumes towards our failure to provide proper mental health treatment than it does about our job markets or economy.

The only way to end up that poor in the USA is to literally not posess the mental faculties required for filling out a welfare application.

>>135375885
>Its a fluke, random people too stupid, crazy, or strung out to do more than eat out of trashcans and beg for change. Its nothing, and obviously a pretty good indicator that the USA's labor market hasnt "bottomed out." Theres tons of labor jobs within the USA, people just dont do them because our over funded welfare system pays them not to work.
I've never seen someone destroy their credibility and demonstrate that they have never read a single thing on a topic faster.

Nevertheless, you didn't answer the question I asked. I know you feel like you have a point to make and don't have time for actually participating in dialogue, but what I am trying to get across to you is that the points you are making are irrelevant to the argument.

Here's the original statement that was objected to:
>That said, I'm sure there are people in the USA who live far worse than people in Cuba - in fact, due to scale, there are probably more people in the USA living worse than in Cuba than there are people in Cuba. The USA is a country of extremes.

This part is obviously wrong:
>in fact, due to scale, there are probably more people in the USA living worse than in Cuba than there are people in Cuba. The USA is a country of extremes.

This part is the part being argued:
>there are people in the USA who live far worse than people in Cuba

This post is irrelevant to that argument:
>>135375885

>>135375438
>Did you watch the video?

Does the video say "all these charities and government programs that would help these people magically don't exist for them?" No? Then I don't give a shit what it says. If people don't take advantage of opportunities available to them, that's there problem.

>How am I, someone who has never experienced extreme poverty in the USA, supposed to refute what you just said? I can't. I have no first hand experience, I've never spoken with anyone who does. That's why I rely on the qualified opinions of experts and the primary sources that they present. Hence, the video, which is from a sociologist who wrote a book on this very topic who can, and does, illustrate her points with specific people and the things she witnessed them do.

Then why the fuck are you talking about it you retarded kangaroo fucker?

>You, on the other hand, must be speaking from first hand experience because you haven't cited a single thing on this topic. Right? You wouldn't just be mouthing off on something you know nothing about, inventing talking points to support a belief you hold that you can't admit to yourself you haven't properly researched?

A single source for what? the existence of the things I said? HURRR CITE ME A SOURCE THAT AUSTRALIA EXISTS HERP DERP

>>135376219
Naw, yer correct. Im just a drunk hillbilly in montana arguing cuz im bored. Consider it a free ego boost.

Parents are divorcing. They both ran off to god knows where in seperate directions 4 days ago. Im watching the family homestead by myself and downing gin like its cool.

Think my mom threatned to kill herself and ended up in the lonney bin. Idk. Somethings going on and nobody wants to tell me what it is. So fuck it. Time to drink too much and argue with strangers on 4chan.

I live in the poorest county in montana, which is the 2nd poorest in the USA. Here poverty is so normal that owning 5 acres and making $30,000 a year like I do makes me one of the more well heeled residents of this little corner of redneck hell.

>>135376780
>Then why the fuck are you talking about it you retarded kangaroo fucker?
I'm not.

I'm linking videos and articles about it that you refuse to watch and read, and am then forced to summarise said videos and articles for you because you have refused to watch and read them.

Like I said, you are a cancer that kills rational discussion on 4chan.

>the existence of the things I said
You say that nobody can be poor because private charities and government programs exist. I acknowledge that these things exist, and yet people seem to be extremely poor in the USA anyway. Clearly there is something wrong with your argument then.

Then you say "well they're only poor because they're too retarded to use the private charities and government programs."

So you can START by citing that.

>>135375438
>And tell me if you please how these organisations intersect with the extreme poor in America. You must know, right. You brought them up so surely you have arguments backed by evidence to illustrate their relevance? Because I have arguments backed by evidence that these organisations do nothing to help the extreme poor at all, which is why the extreme poor are, in fact, extremely poor. Living in remote and rural parts of America many of these people are outside the reach of private charity, and the government programs you quote often amount to nothing more than SNAP assistance which has to be exchanged for cash illegally at 60 cents to the dollar so that they can afford necessities, trading hunger for clothes or utilities.

IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT'S THERE PROBLEM. You must be a troll at this point. No way someone is this stupid. What do you want, the government to BREAK THESE PEOPLE'S DOORS DOWN, AND FORCE THEM TO TAKE THIS SHIT?

>HURR WHERE'S YOUR SOURCE DERPY DURP
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=free+clothes
http://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/usc/utility_assistance


>OH BUT THE POOR HURRRRRRRRRRRRR DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT DURRRRRRRRRRR WHY DOESNT THE GOVERNMENT FORCE THEM TO TAKE HIT DERPITYDERPTIYDRUUURRRRRRRRRRRR

>Meanwhile, in Cuba, utilities are free.

Seriously. Do the planet a favor and kill yourself.

>>135363552
Sounds like her family's fault if they're so dirt poor they can't imagine saving up for a single airplane ticket

>>135377196
>IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT'S THERE PROBLEM
So find me a single extremely poor person in the USA who isn't taking advantage of an opportunity available to them.

Just one.

Protip: you can't. Not because they don't exist - of course they exist: the book written by the sociologist whose interview I posted has plenty of examples of people who were unaware of government programs that could help them - but because you lack any ability or desire to do any kind of research whatsoever.

You are lazy, and try to fill with rhetoric the gaps that your lack of evidence and inability to argue creates. Capslock can't conceal that hole.

>>135377093
>you say that nobody can be poor because private charities and government programs exist.

HURRRR LET ME IGNORE THE REST OF YOUR POST LIKE A DISENGENIUS RETARD AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU QUOTED SOMETHING I DIDNT LITERALLY SAY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CONSIDER THE CONTEXT OF THE STATEMENT THEN CLAIM YOURE THE PROBLEM WITH RATIONAL DISCOURSE HURRRRRRRRRRR

>it sure is a lot better than the US
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>135377319
I literally just flew home from germany for $500. You go online, you shop around for a few hours, its out there. Hell, theres college student discounts that will knock that price down to $350 one way.

If you REALLY just wanna go on an airplane ride for the expierience you just pick a city 200 miles away, about 6 months in advance you can buy promo seats on niche bottom dollar generic airlines for like $60. You fly for an hour, land, turn around, do it again.

Bam. You got the shitty no leg room screaming baby airliner expierience TWICE for $120.

>>135377412
dude, I've quoted shit in pretty much every single one of my posts. The difference is that my sources are primary sources that actually prove something, not the opinion of a political hack. The fact that you continue to pretend the shit doesn't exist, even though I've shown you time and time again that it does, there's not much more than can be done. Because you want to continue the illusion the cuba isn't as bad as it is because, I guess, it fits your political agenda? its fucking pathetic.

>>135377639
Jeez, americans would actually defend paying so much for an airplane ticket. It's like "yes, they fuck us in the ass, but if you buy lube it's actually not that bad!"

>>135376956
I understand, anon. I work with the poor every day (like I said, I work in a law firm and the bulk of our clients are referred by legal aid, aka can't pay for their defence themselves) and definitely a lot of chronic poverty is self-inflicted. Some people are just bad at life and go through it achieving very little and you're absolutely correct when you say that these people exist.

But they are not the only people who exist. It's not hard to become poor - all you have to do is lose your job and not get another one (or get one that pays a lot less and can't pay your bills), and in a country in as much economic trouble as the US is in that's not exactly rare.

I think a lot of the tarring and feathering in general of the poor is done out of fear. People fear that the lives that they have built for themselves are still so fragile that a simple act of God, or economic collapse, outside their control could render them just another one of the faceless, shuffling underclass. So they concoct elaborate reasoning to explain why the poor are "different" and why it couldn't happen to them. It's unfortunate that often only experience will humble them.

I hope things improve for you anon. I hope things improve for us all.

>>135377542
>be marine
>be MSG
>end up in guard tower at guantanamo
>turns out its a REALLY BIG base
>the part with hajis in jumpsuits is just a tiny part of it
>cubans got guard towers across from us, inbetween lies what I can only explain as a moat
>cuban guards toss chickens in the water to attract fuckloads of gators
>this is so that cuban citizens wont swim over to our perimeter and claim amnesty
>pretty qt girl. Looks maybe 15, but they eat less there so that probably means shes 18 to 20
>hangs around opposite cuban guard tower a lot, assume shes the guards daughter
>have fantasies about showing her around muricuh cuz guard tower duty is boring as fuck
>night shift, scoping out cuban guard tower 200 meters away with my night vision scope
>cuban guy railing girl in the ass like hes trying to start a fire with dick friction
>pays a her a loaf of bread and she leaves
>via thermals I can see tears streaking her face

So how poor do you gotta be to get railed out daily by some fat hairy smelly cuban fuck for just a loaf of bread as pay?

>>135377693
>IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT'S THERE PROBLEM. You must be a troll at this point. No way someone is this stupid. What do you want, the government to BREAK THESE PEOPLE'S DOORS DOWN, AND FORCE THEM TO TAKE THIS SHIT?
Indeed, who can expect the government to actually care about it's citizens?
That's how it's done in a functional society. If there is a disabled person there is a government official of some sorts that comes to disabled person's house once in a while to see if everything's okay. Yes, government actually COMES TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES TO FORCE HELP DOWN THEIR THROATS, figuratively speaking.
But naah, you are stuck up in that meritocracy mentality that if anything happens it's because it's the best way possible.

>>135377450
>HURRRR LET ME IGNORE THE REST OF YOUR POST LIKE A DISENGENIUS RETARD
Your post consisted of 78 words and I quoted 20 of them - almost 25% of your post, in fact.

I think you'd be hard pressed to explain what exactly I ignored about your post, but claiming vaguely that I ignored SOMETHING sure means you can avoid answering the question I posed :).

>>135377693
>The difference is that my sources are primary sources that actually prove something
You have only posted sources in relation to Cuba. You have posted nothing in relation to extreme poverty in the US.

Regarding extreme poverty in the US I have posted a report generated for a panel on US poverty, sourced back to US census data and academic articles, and an interview with a sociologist who has spent a lot of time with people who have first hand experience of the issue.

>even though I've shown you time and time again that it does
Where? Quote me the posts where you have provided sources regarding your claims about extreme poverty in the US.

Do it faggot.

>>135363552
>guaranteed minimum food allowance
ach communism, never change :)

>>135378246
>Indeed, who can expect the government to actually care about it's citizens?
That's how it's done in a functional society. If there is a disabled person there is a government official of some sorts that comes to disabled person's house once in a while to see if everything's okay. Yes, government actually COMES TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES TO FORCE HELP DOWN THEIR THROATS, figuratively speaking.
>But naah, you are stuck up in that meritocracy mentality that if anything happens it's because it's the best way possible.

A Russian speaking about functional societies is laughable. Get out of the second world status before commenting on other societies. Nothing you said is true and you look really stupid for saying it. Now go back to the vodka that numbs you to the reality of your horrible, horrible society.

>>135378144
BUT THEIR EYE CARE IS FREE! ITS A PARADISE!

>>135378009
I was a cop for 4 years, then a marine for 8. Just got out. I been to cuba (sorta, see greentext). Also been in combat in afghanistan and Iraq. also one time we chased some guys over the border into pakistan on accident so I guess I technically went there too.

Ive seen people sell their kids into slavery, ive seen people use thier kids as suicide bombers, ive seen a girl fuck a 40 year old sick fuck for daily bread (green text).

I came back to the USA, flew to germany and poked around europe to see if the memes are true about this refugee crisis thing. They are.

Then I flew back to america. This place is fucking heaven compared to where I been and what ive seen.

also last summer in iraq we were on half rations cuz supply lines sucked and the aussie SAS co-located with us near the staging area for the assault on ramadi against ISIS threw us a bar-b-que and liquored us up cuz they had extra food and werent restricted from havin booze and that makes the lot of ya alright in my book.

>>135377902
>$500 much
poorslav has spoken

>>135378418
>Nothing you said is true
Lol, american can't actually believe that there is a government job that requires official to come to the people registered as disabled person to talk, inquire about living conditions etc
>second world status
That somehow has better education quality and somehow has healthcare that is actually affordable. Maybe those propaganda "facts" about the first-second-third world are not actually appliable in the real life, eh

>>135378144
you described normal childhood under communism

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>>135363552
I will literally die before I allow myself to live under communist rule YOU HEAR ME YOU FAGGOT NATSOCS AND COMMUNISTS IF YOU EVER TRY YOUR SOCIALIST SHIT IN AMERICA I WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING FAMILIES, I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO YOUR FUCKING SLAVERY I WILL GO DOWN FIGHTING.

>>135378710
>actually believing a troll post
I guess critical thinking doesn't apply to "facts" that are favorable to you, amirite

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>>135378570
I remember looking through a list of countries ranked by living standards and thinking "wow, there's only like ten or fifteen countries in the entire world worth living in."

America has problems but don't get me wrong, it's still far and away one of the best places to live. The natural order of the world is barbarism, and it requires unceasing vigilance to maintain our civilisations in the face of such existential threats as the fucking Chinese.

However, poor people are not inherently barbarians. They are a symptom - and victim - of barbarism. That doesn't necessitate that we accept floods of them into our countries, or really necessitate we do anything at all, but I do think we should have sympathy.

Sympathy backed by iron determination to preserve our little outpost of light no matter the cost, but sympathy nonetheless.

Except for the Chinese.

>>135378955
Please come here and try to start communism you soviet slav monkey subhuman, I will gut you alive.

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>>135378890

This, cannot say it any clearer. Do not tread on me.

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>>135370245
grew up in south florida. guys who were in castros army do black satellite installation shit for the people there. apparent you can get in big trouble with it, but a lot of people have it. i used to work with a couple of these dudes who said they used to set it up with nothing more than knives and hammers because its really hard to even keep a drill running there (with different bits and everything) not to mention the digital equipment needed to calibrate a satellite dish. of course these plebbit fags leave all these types of details out

they have black markets for everything there, with the goods obviously being shipped in mostly from florida. the only thing i know of that they try to bring over to the us from there are these shitty black beans they use in cuban restaurants in miami

no matter what people who stay in hotels (us built btw) in havana for a weekend say, they are severely lacking in tons of areas. obviously, or else they wouldnt be doing the continuous 30 year boat lift into florida

>>135379133
>try to start communism
>come to retarded snakeland and try I fucking dare you
>being this retarded
just pretending again? gosh

>>135378372
>Your post consisted of 78 words and I quoted 20 of them - almost 25% of your post, in fact.

I think you'd be hard pressed to explain what exactly I ignored about your post, but claiming vaguely that I ignored SOMETHING sure means you can avoid answering the question I posed :).

>>135373498
>276 words
>>135372617
>10 words quoted
:)

>You have only posted sources in relation to Cuba. You have posted nothing in relation to extreme poverty in the US.

>>135377196

This post has 2 sources proving the two things you said the poor were forced to sell their food stamps for are already assisted.


>Regarding extreme poverty in the US ..... of the issue.

No, they're political hacks, which misrepresent the issue. I know this is the case because I've SHOWN YOU that they are not, in fact, FORCED to sell their food stamps. The idea that these people just assume they can't get anything else and starve instead IS CATEGORICALLY ABSURD and the only reason you'd believe it is because you have a political agenda. I don't need a source for that. If you can't figure that out by yourself then you're too stupid to live.

BTW, if I were writing an academic paper and I tried to find sources for the shit you're demanding I find sources for, I would get laughed at for being fucking retarded. You clearly don't understand how this works AT ALL. These economic issues don't magically become the way she says just because she says it (especially when the thing she says is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS). Do you want me to pointlessly find a counter source that will just disagree with yours? fine, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20170331112355/https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/09/06/the-number-of-americans-living-on-2-a-day-or-less-is-zero/#6fab123f6bfb

But you're just gonna disagree with his assessment, so nothing gets done. I argued the logic of the fundamental argument because that's the only way to have an actual conversation. But you refuse.

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>>135378991
Fuck the chinks. Dated one. Theyre like human magpies.

I dont know if youre aware of the connotations of the bird, but they are obnoxious little shitfuckers who gang up on actually pleasant birds you want around your house and kill them. They also have an obsession with hoarding shiny stuff and tend to be greedy, violent, obnoxious, and generally unpleasant.

Chinks are magpies.

>>135378673
>That somehow has better education quality and somehow has healthcare that is actually affordable.

No friend, that's the vodka deluding you.

>Lol, american can't actually believe that there is a government job that requires official to come to the people registered as disabled person to talk, inquire about living conditions etc

Registered as disabled? How does that happen? Does comrade Putin divine it in giant bat of vodka?

>>135378991

japan confirmed as whites

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>>135380027

Also Russians demoted to niggers

>>135379647
Communist countries put all their resources towards keeping up the illusion. The Cuban tourist experience is completely manufactured to trick ideologues who come there. You're not allowed to have a foreigner stay the night at your house, you can't even really let them in your car, because any of these activities would break the fantasy. They LOVE when liberals in America glorify their healthcare system because they believe that other countries becoming communist will magically solve their problems.

>>135379710
Communism could never work in a culture with an armed populace. Communism relies on coercion. The idea people would just willingly give up any benifits or profits without having a gun at thier back is absurd.

The truest most hardcore believers of the system even jumped on board the capitalism train as soon as they could. Fuck. Kalashnikov, one of the most influential soviet engineers of the era sells vodka in the UK and is opening a rifle factory in florida soon.

If you try to force an armed populace to give up thier shit to the collective you will have to fight a battle for each and every single acre of land you take.

>>135378570
>ive seen a girl fuck a 40 year old sick fuck for daily bread

was she hot tho?

>>135379761
>This post has 2 sources proving the two things you said the poor were forced to sell their food stamps for are already assisted.
This is your grand gotcha? A fucking google search and the Salvation Army webpage? Sad! It's the equivalent of me saying Cuba has a low infant mortality rate without mentioning that the reason that they do is because they abort anything that looks like it won't survive. Your "sources" include nothing about availability, take-up rate, or eligibility. Nothing about the actual implementation of these services whatsoever. Your grand argument boils down to "these things exist. I have no idea how effective they are, no idea how they actually relate to people in extreme poverty, but I spent ten seconds on google and got these results." You are a child. Maybe - maybe - not literally, but certainly mentally.

If this is the standard of argumentation that you think is acceptable then I can just quote all the common myths about Cuba as objective fact and you'd be a hypocrite to criticise me. I won't do that, because I have integrity, but I certainly could get away with it.

>I've SHOWN YOU that they are not, in fact, FORCED to sell their food stamps
And here we see how a bad premise that you assume to be true because of confirmation bias blossoms into an entire corrupt worldview. Here's the sequence:

>get into argument on the internet you're not equipped for
>spend ten seconds on google, find something that agrees with you, parrot it
>extrapolate based on this questionably-accurate foundation as if it were the word of God, using it to explain phenomena instead of research
>end up with a wrong conclusion

If it's so easy not to be in extreme poverty in the USA, why are there people in extreme poverty in the USA?

>Do you want me to pointlessly find a counter source that will just disagree with yours?
Yes, that's all I wanted all along. Actual evidence-based argumentation. Now give me a moment to read it.

>>135380277
bullshit, friend went to cuba and made friends with the locals

>>135380277
Back in 2005 or round abouts they did this thing where they offered medschool for free to anyone who could pass tests. Idea was if you promised to work for free in cuba for 5 years upon graduation youd not have any tuition fees.

Libtards flipped out at how awesome comminism was. Then forgot about it. The reality was cuba is so backwards and obsolete a medical degree from cuba is like saying you own a jar full of leeches or that by virtue of owning a functioning pair of pliers you are a dentist to the rest of the world. A medical degree from cuba is even useless in fucking mexico, (who refused to hire "doctors" from said program.

>>135380620
A lot of dumb fucks from America go to caribbean schools for medical school because you can get in with a 2.0 GPA and a 10th percentile MCAT. Approximately 50% of them get hired in the U.S after they graduate from the carribean as well.

>>135380453
>>135379761
Bwahahaha, I just read that article.

He's complaining that their estimates don't include SNAP and Section 8, and that the $2 a day figure is misleading.

It's hilarious firstly because they do have estimates that include SNAP and Section 8, quoted by me here over two hours ago (>>135372011).

And secondly because he's arguing that they should be measuring consumption, not income. He doesn't argue that these people aren't actually poor - he fully concedes that their poverty is absolutely real, the depredations described in the book really are happening - but rather that he dislikes the $2 a day figure. Never mind the fact that the author of the book repeatedly explains that the difference between the USA and the developing world is the existence of programs like SNAP that allow the poor to continue to consume even in an absence of income (making them cashless poor, instead of starving poor - or dead).

So your "counterpoint" is a hilarious failure. This is why I suggest you read what you're posting instead of just copying the first hit you get on Google, you fucking retard.

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>>135367052
>Cuba
>remotely functional

Have you ever been to Latin America? Do you think it is a literal gigantic slum? Do you think that illegal immigrants are our engineers and doctors?

Food there is literally rationalized for fucks sake, there is a black market for luxury shit in dollars and it is stupidly expensive.

Actually spoke with multiple cubans.

>>135363552
You can eat like a king from cradle to grave and never spend a cent on food here if you tried

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>>135381091
>Have you ever been to Latin America?
Nope.
>Do you think it is a literal gigantic slum?
Yep. Though I know intelligently that's not the case whenever I picture South America I picture a gigantic slum.

I linked this article earlier which is definitely worth reading to understand Cuban performance relative to Latin America.
http://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/v08-30smith.pdf

>>135380453
>This is your grand gotcha? A fucking google search and the Salvation Army webpage? Sad!

This is a non-argument.

> It's .... survive.

Abortion is infant mortality dumbfuck. And if you did that, I'd just quote the abortion statistics. I wouldn't quote some book "I THINK BABIES ARE ACTUALLY IN TROUBLE IN CUBA BECAUSE I WANT POLICIES MAKE THEM PLEASE"


>Your "sources" include nothing about availability, take-up rate, or eligibility. Nothing about the actual implementation of these services whatsoever.

YOU FUCKING GO THERE AND GET IT. you're so fucking dumb.

>Your grand argument boils down to "these things exist. I have no idea how effective they are,

What are the efficacy concerns?

>no idea how they actually relate to people in extreme poverty,

What the fuck does that even mean?

>but I spent ten seconds on google and got these results."

because most people aren't so retarded to say "HURRR PROVE TO ME THESE PEOPLE CAN GET UTILITIES AND CLOTHES ASSISTANCE"

>You are a child. Maybe - maybe - not literally, but certainly mentally.

no, you're just ignorant. You equate your political purposes with credibility, and refuse anything outside of it.

>If this is.... certainly could get away with it.

Salvation army is a myth. Gotchya. Or are you saying they don't help anybody?

>And here... Here's the sequence:

And here we see the retard using words he doesn't understand. And salvation army agrees with me? what? you're the one who grabbed some random bitch who wrote a book and take her word as gospel. I SHOWED YOU THE PROGRAMS THAT HELP THESE PEOPLE. that's not "something that agrees with me," THAT'S LITERALLY THE THING THAT HELPS THEM.

>If it's so easy not to be in extreme poverty in the USA, why are there people in extreme poverty in the USA?

Maybe it has to do with motivations besides their own well being? Maybe the status is temporary? Hmmm?

>>135381492
Whoops, that graph isn't supposed to be there.

This argument has gone on too long and I'm starting to fuck up my posts from fatigue.

>>135380527
And here's the gullible retard.

>>135381610
>Abortion is infant mortality dumbfuck.
Wrong.

>if you did that, I'd just quote the abortion statistics.
Also wrong. You'd make a long post calling me a fucking retard that was written half in capslock and never quote a single thing, and then wonder why I wasn't convinced by your """"argument"""". The rest of your post is irate ranting in a similar vein as what I described above.

I say: "you have no data on the take-up rate of this."
What you should do: get data on the take-up rate.
What you did instead: "YOU FUCKING GO THERE AND GET IT. you're so fucking dumb."

Let's do an experiment.
I promise that I will give $1,000 to the the first Australian in the next 24 hours who asks me in person for it who doesn't have a job, and I'm prepared to sign a contract to that effect. No joke. However, I will not advertise this promise in anyway and nobody else is allowed to.
Do you think this reward will be claimed?

Of course not. But it EXISTS, you say, and that's all that matters. Nobody can ever be extremely poor in Australia because one dude has a program that nobody knows about, which doesn't cover everyone, and that has to be claimed in person by people who don't have money to travel.

That's your argument. It's a poor one. You're wasting everybody's time. Most of all, you're wasting your own. You could be doing research on this topic.

>I SHOWED YOU THE PROGRAMS THAT HELP THESE PEOPLE
What a shame that you are yet to show whether or not they actually help.

>>135380975
You completely missed the point of my post. Infact, you pretty much proved my point in the best way possible. Nice job dumbass.

>>135379761
Fucking hell. That $2 a day book is the freshman reader at the university where I'm employed.

>>135382047
>You completely missed the point of my post.
The point of your post is that you could just snap your fingers and find an article that made a compelling counter-argument.

The problem is that your demonstration of this fact failed miserably.

Comedy gold.

>>135382046
>Wrong.
>Infant dies, HURR BUT THAT'S NOT INFANT MORTALITY

you're so bad at this.

>Also .... what I described above.
Read this. I now believe you are not a troll but simply uneducated. I feel kind of bad for you:
https://library.ithaca.edu/sp/subjects/primary


>I say: "you have no data on the take-up rate of this."

because it doesn't matter you dumbfuck. Is it available to them? Yes. I proved that. Their choice not to take it is their own.

>What you should do....

No, I shouldn't.

>What you said...
Yeah, because that's how it works.

>I promise that I will give $1,000 to the the first Australian in the next 24 hours who asks me in person for it ... will be claimed?

Buddy, Salvation army can be found BECAUSE I JUST FOUND IT. And I'm just dicking around on the internet. You're telling me people who are freezing can't go to the library and search "utilities assistance?" or ask at the government building where they applied for SNAP? Nah, they just quietly sell their food stamps and starve.

BTW here's stats on salvation armies service: http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/statistics

They have enough outreach to service 25million people and serve 56million meals. Clearly people are finding them somehow.

>That's your argument. It's a poor one. You're wasting everybody's time. Most of all, you're wasting your own. You could be doing research on this topic.

No, you just obsess over secondary sources because you don't know how to analyze primary sources yourself. You need a source of someone making the specific opinion on the issue. I actually learn about how the world works and draw my conclusions from that instead. That's what most academics do.

>What a shame that you are yet to show whether or not they actually help.
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/statistics
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

But again, you want me to quote someone's opinion piece because you're unable to be the person writing the opinions.

>>135382168
>The point of your post is that you could just snap your fingers and find an article that made a compelling counter-argument.

wrong

>>135382139
its not surprising. I had to read through a lot of stupid shit in my freshman year, especially humanities class.

>>135383133
>>Infant dies, HURR BUT THAT'S NOT INFANT MORTALITY
It literally isn't. The UN statistics that track infant mortality by which Cuba is judged do not include abortion as infant mortality. Your own opinion on this is irrelevant, and in fact is actively damaging your ability to understand the subject because Cuban abortions to preserve infant mortality only make sense when you put aside your own opinion and consider the facts.

Thus we have yet another example of your child-like inability to argue.

The rest of your post continues to fail to address the big holes in your argument and I'm done trying to coach you.

Here's what I want, and you won't get a further reply until you deliver it: statistics on the take-up rate of the services you've mentioned on the extreme poor and a reasoning why the take-up rate falls short of 100% with more depth than "well I guess everyone's just retarded".

In the absence of you providing this I can't even argue with you. You don't even have a position. You are so far off the edge of the map you're not just not right, you're not even wrong.

>you don't know how to analyze primary sources yourself
Ironic considering your primary sources are incredibly broad and not at all tailored to the specific argument we're having which discusses the extreme poor. None of your primary sources are trimmed to discuss the extreme poor in detail, and thus they are inapplicable to this argument.

Dunning-Kruger in action.

Like I said, come back with what I've asked for or don't come back at all.

>>135376956
At least you have a decent chance to own, in NJ you can make up to about 45,000/year and still potentially qualify for low income rentals.

It's a shit show everywhere, time to use this internet to start talking and organizing some real opposition.

>>135366737
>>135375200
And even if she was, she came because she was sold on the idea she could easily get rich, or her kids could.

>>135363552
>Cuba is better than the US: A Tumblr Delusion

My Aunt used to take a trip to Cuba every year until recently. She would always bring things like towels and toys to hand out.

>>135383706
>It ....facts.


The UN defines infant mortality a specific way for political reasons; that doesn't make it true. An infant dies; that's infant mortality. Again, you obsess over the elements of citations that are irrelevant. An indication of someone who thinks they know more than they do. If the UN excluded genocide from execution statistics you would argue that genocide's are irrelevant to a discussion on government sanctioned deaths. That's fucking asinine.

>Thus ... argue.

Great argument and not at all childlike.

>he ... you.

No, you want me to make the argument you want to hear. You don't want to address my actual argument. I don't care about take-up rates because people choosing not to get services available to them is not a systematic problem.


>Here's ... retarded".

First, that's not what I said. You're not even paying attention. I gave you two clear reasons why people wouldn't take it: 1.They have higher priorities then their own well being (if you want me to be EVEN MORE SPECIFIC it could be pride or substance abuse, as a few examples) or 2. Their situation is temporary and they don't actually need it.

The problem is you want hyper specific statistic to address a very specific argument that just don't exist. It's an unrealistic standard to expect me to just be able to pull the exact motivations for every single person who chooses not to get help out of my ass. Any statistic I do find will be flawed anyways because people probably aren't going to answer truthfully if the answer is substance abuse. Prideful people probably wouldn't respond at all. So the best I can do is look at the situation and use my REASON with the information available instead of demanding information that doesn't exist before I challenge someone's opinion. why isn't the take-rate 100%? I gave a reason. You have no reason except somehow magically they're being stopped from getting it even though there's absolutely no evidence that this is the case.

>>135378144
About the same as girls do for access to drugs, nice clothes, cars, and money here.

Flour is cheap as hell anywhere, because it can also be made from anything else that is cheap at the moment, but that takes work.

But fucking some dude for ten minutes, then lying to the beau about being innocent, is easier. that's why it's time for female subjugation again.

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>>135363552

>Getting Laser surgery in Cuba
So why don't go to Africa to treat your cancer then?

>Minimum food allowance
Can only buy corn, sugar and coffee

>Worker afford a plane ride
It is call saving money, everyone can do it

>90 percent literacy rate
And yet still a third word shit hole

>University in Cuba
Yeah i bet they are very good university

Total: 3/10 bait

>>135385121

">University in Cuba
Yeah i bet they are very good university"

Actually they are, which is why the universities from other places in the world send people there to study what they are doing. Then feed it to your cuck ass like it's the cutting edge they developed.

You should know how the bullshit works, being your flag is Taiwanese. I see phones on the market over in that region, then a year to two years later it hit a place like the U.S. as if it is the newest thing.

The NWO is not coming, it is here, it has been here. Yet tards everywhere think there is a "free market".

>>135383706
Here's my refutation of the last part of your post. If you need me to spell it out more for you, let me know:

>You: People don't get these services because they can't find them.
>Me: That's not true, they can easily be found. Here's an example of me finding it easily.
>You: Huh! But I could offer 1000 dollars and nobody would take it. Maybe that's the issue!
>Me: No, here's statistics show that millions of people ARE utilizing the salvation army.
>You: HUMPF, well, those are broad and they don't address this hyper specific situation (even though addressing poverty is pretty much the only thing these institutions do). Instead of addressing all the points you brought up and example of how easy it is to find these things or the reasons why people would choose not ot take advantage, I'm just gonna say "Dunning Kruger in action" to seem smart and then demand again that you make the argument I want to hear because I'm incapable of addressing an argument outside of a very narrow context.

and then you seem to think you've made a good point.

See where now maybe you're the idiot?