Is automation a meme? What jobs do you believe are at most risk

All of them eventually.

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>>135313659
This is just utter bullshit. How the fuck are you going to automate roofing? Someone would need to create some ridiculously complex and expensive machine, and it would need to be tested, and all of this stuff. And it would probably still break down repeatedly.

It might happen way into the future but I don't see it happening ANY time soon.

I reckon this bullshit is just invented by nerds who work shitty desk jobs and try and justify their existence. It's the equivalent of "FUCK I HATE CHAD WHO JUST LEFT SCHOOL AT 16 AND NOW HE'S BANGING GIRLS WHILE I'M STILL A VIRGIN, LIFE'S NOT FAIR, WAAAAAHHHHHHH"

>>135314862
You're kidding yourself if you don't think roofing could be automated.

>>135314862
>Implying traditional roofing wont be replaced by solar roofs prebuilt in a factory.

>>135313659
I'm going to assume yes until it actually starts getting adopted more than talked about. It's been on the tip of everyone's tongue for years and we've yet to see any real massive advances in it. At least in our daily lives.

>>135315134

There's an infinite number of roof designs for roofing to be fully automated. There might be roofing robot operators and handlers, but that is about it.

CNC machines have been around for decades and they still need a team of CAM designers and machine operators.

>>135315324
The roof panels need to be small enough to ship and install. Guess whos gonna climb on your roof and install the panels? A human.

>>135314862
>t. roofer

What website is this? Also accountants are FUCKED!

>>135315770
This

Automation is good.

>>135315790
>implying all new construction wont be prefab panels that are installed by a crane.

>>135315134
the question is will automating it be cost effective?

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>>135315978
>implying houses won't be 3D printed on site

Slack is such a worthless meme tier piece of shit

>>135313659
algorithms be racist and sheet, keeping the black man down.

https://theoutline.com/post/1571/the-fight-against-racist-algorithms

>>135313659
no doubt the bilderburgers and globalists are slitting each other's throats as we speak

automation say some
kill 99% of humans say others
but what about those lucrative dumb consumers, say many of them

must be a bloodbath in those subterranean kingdoms they inhabit

who will win

who cares

>>135314862
roofing will take awhile to be automated, humans can do it much much more cheaply

>>135313659
loan officers should already be machines desu

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You guys have to picture 20, 30, 40 years from now when new technologies have emerged. Automation is already stealing jobs (and rightfully so) but the real shit will start happening half-way through the 21st century and beyond.

They 3d printed a house...

Though they still had to use manpower to install windows.

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>>135316268
Why so glum Bruce? Run out of meth?

>>135315974
If we make fuhrer children, yes

>>135316186
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=S6UPGk8EFWE

Somebody look up if niggers will be eliminated by automation

>fingers crossed

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>>135313659
Pretty much all of them. There will be an ever-decreasing pool of jobs which require humans. Until we get wiped out.

>>135316629
White people will have a lot more time to lynch niggers, at the very least.

>>135316254
>first the algos came for the blacks
>then they came for the spics
>then they came for the Semites
>then they kind of just stopped showing up and life was pretty good

>>135316351

homes have been built on production lines since the 50s, but nobody wants to live in them because they're trailer homes

t. owns a few doublewides and quonset huts

>>135313783
This, and eventually, we could end up like a society in that Black Mirror episode where people cycle on their bikes all day long, earn points, get apps, and live the same lives unless they got a special talent.

>3.7%
ROBTOS BTFO

Daily reminder that increased efficiency grows the economy and just moves jobs to different sectors.

>>135316521

Regardless if machines take over, someone will have to maintain and repair the machines.

New career choice: machine mechanic/electronic technician

Most people here don't understand what automation is about. You're not going to be replaced wholesale by machines. New tools will just make people in your trade so much more productive that a lot fewer of them will be required.

offers for:

>electrical instalation design
or
>SAP consultant

which one should i pick /polacks/ ?

>>135317281
you're braindead

Artificial Intelligence is often touted as something that will take over all of our jerbs, but remember AI is limited by its mechanical ability. It has mechanical arms that we build, and that we'll have to repair and maintain.

>>135313659
Brzezinski was right. Or however you spell his name

>>135317098
Possibly my least favorite episode. Mostly because the premise is pants on head retarded.

>>135315790
the home owner can probably do it themselves, or get one or two guys

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>>135317588
Until there are robots that can build, repair and maintain (which already exist basically, look at a car manufacturing plant)

>>135317281
Basically getting replaced.

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>>135314862
Roofs can litteraly be sprayed on..
A skyscraper with 5000 workers has only one roof

>>135317628
It is not that unbelievable once you get right down to it. I mean, what the hell are humans supposed to do once everybody's jobs are automated? And I mean, everybody's?

>>135317588
Ya know...until a build a robot that rebuilds/repair robots

>>135317588
Eventually we will build a robot that repairs/rebuilds robots.

Take advice from someone here that writes software for automation platforms. I have been working successfully for the past 20 years on automating systems. I do everything in my power to make our machines not only outperform low IQ humans but do everything more efficiently. I have sold my systems to companies at a 93% successful sales rate. The days of low information workers is coming to an end. Sure I'll never be able to replace common blue collar construction workers and other valued tradesman, but your typical college graduate? They don't stand a chance. It's amusing to me that they'll give away free college and everyone is always screaming about it, but you never see anyone screaming about free trade school. Here's a hint for you faggots, you want job security, learn a trade. Learn to think outside the box and make yourself valuable. If you waste a fuckton of your parents, or taxpayers money on some bullshit college degree, people like me will find a way to make you and your shit skills replaceable with circuit boards and mechanical shit.

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Feels good. I don't really trust that number though.Most of the job is automating my own tasks, for finding other peoples solutions to automate my tasks for me.

>>135317747

That is way off in the future, regardless mechanical devices will break down eventually.

We may see dark factories soon fulled staffed by machine, but there will still be a crew there maintaining them. Checking fluids, cleaning, preventative maintenance.

However, this would mean a much smaller human workforce. With only human technicians available to repair the robotic workers, many jobs will still be lost I guess.

Point is, get a skill, learn a trade. If you're only good for a laborer, within 10 years you'll have nothing. Education is key I guess

>>135318176
Literally anything besides wasting their time on a exercise bike. Someone did the math, but basically any power they would have generated from doing that shit would have been negligible.

>>135318147
do those 5000 workers live in skyscrapers?

>>135316246
>Slack

There is a special place in hell for the pajeets that programmed that worthless shit

>>135317734

Roofers exist because roofing sucks dick and most people would rather pay somebody else to do it

>>135316268
The wealthy need consumers so they'll come around to a UBI sooner or later. The wealthy will just play a game of seeing whoever can control the most of the production.

>>135317467
>electrical installation design
Actually get to design things that will be built in the real world.
>SAP consultant
Glorified data entry clerk.

Choose wisely.

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>>135313659

daily reminder a service based economy is hard to automate

how do you automate research?

how do you automate therapy?

>tfw have an actual education
also daily reminder eventually we will demand a 20 hour work week to compensate that way we can shitpost all day

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>>135313659
In a future where no one works the human rescorce managers will be king!!!

This scenario is flawed.

>>135318437

This is very far into the future. Would require a human level of cognition.

Not every break down on a machine is obvious, there is a lot of troubleshooting involved and instinct. Yes a robot may be able to complete an assigned repair where the job is known and detailed, but a robot could not figure out an unknown problem via troubleshooting. Not yet.

>>135318628
Educate yourself back to redd it with your spacing you faggot

>>135318543
>tfw getting a degree in supply chain
>will be among the first to get automated probably
>tfw don't really care because GI Bill is paying for school and I never would have gone to college if I wasn't getting paid to do it

College is mostly easy, much easier than a 9-5. I'm enjoying my 4 year vacation. After I graduate in a year, I'll get a shitty desk job that I'll hate and want to kms everyday. Then when the algos take my job I'll just get some comfy bs job and live easy.

>>135318655
They used to before the robots replaced there jobs

>>135319054

Okay..I have actual real world experience repairing industrial machines you damn neck beard. Educate YOURSELF. Even the most advanced AI today are on the scale of worm's intelligence

>>135318979
>king
Shitlord.>>135319008

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almost everything that dosent require advanced mechanical work.

general practitioners will be gone
lawers and judges will be gone
computer programers will be gone
all of STEM will be gone
banking / accounting

whats safe

cooking and trades

>>135318879
>I gave you money
>haha, you gave it back!

UBI is retarded

>>135319230
And my analytics programs will make your job obsolete since your employers can subcontract my workers to come in on a contractual basis to perform repairs due to analytics. Fuck off back to redd it, shill.

>>135318979

>Implying a poo-in-the-loo hasn't already taken your worthless HR job anyway

Don't worry though, any poo-in-the-loo tech recruiter who calls me, I automatically turn them down.

>>135319357

Keep sucking Elon Musk's dick, the AI apocalypse is a meme.

>>135313659
The more we automate, the more work we seem to do.
Nothing will happen.

>>135319378
>STEM
robot will never design a whole car

>>135317281
>You're not going to be replaced
>so much more productive that a lot fewer of them will be required

lel

>>135319524

>contractual workers

That's not how it always works in the real world buddy.

This is why we need UNIONS

>>135315870
pajeet accountants, maybe

CPAs will be fine, at least for this generation

>>135313659
What's the website? I ask cuz there are like a few different ones.

>>135318979
I fucking hate HR people.

>>135319970
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com

>>135318979
More like Robot Resources Manager

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Because somebody has to watch the automation, after all

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>>135320180
>watching robot cuck porn as a job

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>>135319546
Nuh uh.

>>135314862
super blocks same building over and over. judge dredd style

>>135319695
Fuck off red dit spacing leftist shitbag. Fucking KYS

>>135321041
>still have a job
>have control over a lot of robots
I see no downsides

>>135313659
Anytime you hear "this new economic cycle is different goyim", quake in your knees.

Automation is a code word for the rich not sharing their wealth anymore. It's not robots that will take all jobs (they won't), it's the rich making competition impossible and firing you.

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>>135313659
>don't go to law school they said
There is so much existing legislation that needs to be revised and new legislation that needs to be considered concerning automation and AI in the computer age and I fucking love it.

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>>135322025
75% taxes to pay for all the unemployed.

>>135322780
>implying

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>>135322780
>unemployed pay for robot lubrication with 75% of their blood

>>135322625
m8 that's bullshit and you know it.

I don't get how the Elite think automation will work. Our current economic system is based on the exchange of currency for goods and services, but if no one has a job due to automation who is going to buy the good and services from the companies the elites own? It seems like they would be destroying themselves as well as 'us'. Could some anon please explain why I'm wrong?

>>135324059
How do you figure? What is going to be done about the massive, systematic job loss? Legislation needs to be drawn up concerning that. How about tax concerns? How about ethics? How about safety and oversight? All of these things need to be addressed. Legislators are the once who pass the laws (the overwhelming amount of legislators are former lawyers) and the ones who draw up the actual legal framework are lawyers and legal scholars.

Sorry you fell for the welding jew Cletus. Good luck with that.

>>135315770
What you think of as typical roofing materials and application will be changed to fit automation.

>>135325141
How many jobs were lost due t the creation of the wheel? How many were lost due to the invention f the cotton gin?

>95% Jewelers, precious stone and metal workers

Sure buddy. All major jewelry manufacturing is still cast, fabricated and stone set by hand. CAD and 3d printing makes the process easier, but nothing about the process is automated.

>>135324952
That's why they're trying to meme universal basic income. We'll be literal wageslaves.

>>135325686
>being this obtuse
Computerized/robotic automation systemically replacing humans in the workplace on a global scale is a little more nuanced than the fucking cotton gin, idiot.

>>135318979
That's bullshit. Even a shitty AI will do an infinitely better job at staff management than an HR manager.

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>>135313659
Yes and no

For the last several hundred years we have been automating but instead of computers it's been machines, electricity, oil, steam engines.

The the early 1800's workers famously sabotaged machines they saw as "replacing them"

Yet somehow technology, while making things more efficient, also leads to all new industries and new opportunities for work.

So yes computers will replace many jobs that will no longer need human hands, and they already have

But as hey donthat opens up countless other industries and jobs.

The idea that we will all have nothing to do is retarded asinine; there is always more to do that's how humans are.

And in some distant future centuries from now when all work including the design, building and mantianence of new machines is done by machines and humans don't need to do anything it doesn't matter. At that point out modern notions of Capitol and labor will be meaningless and we will love into an entirely different type of society

That's like asking how a Bronze Age priest would make it in modern capitalist societies

The question is irrelevant

>>135326654
>being this obtuse.
Thinking you're special because you live in a year that starts with two zero instead of one. Increased efficiancy is how industry is driven dumb dumb. Just because someone isn't working on an assembly floor doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have to build, sell, maintain, program, and eventually replace said robot or any of it's individual parts. Not to mention the logistics jobs that will be needed to ship both the increased products these robots develop and the robots themselves.

>>135315134
Roofing can only be automated for standardized housing, which exists but is extremely unpopular. Basically it's the difference between cookie-cutter housing and "artisan" roofing, which is by far the more popular option in the USA.

>>135327353
You're right about the logistical operations that large scale automation will necessarily create and require -- you're wrong about the scale.

>he thinks I could somehow be a lawyer at age 17
I was born in 1992, fuckwit. Kill yourself.

>>135315134
I've actually done roof work and I guarantee we'll all be long dead before a robot sophisticated enough to to it with no human oversight becomes a reality.

>>135328084
That's how all automation is going to be

When computers were first being put to mass use in offices in the mid 1980's they said we would be paperless within a decade

Anyone's office paperless yet?

Would you guys gray out the fucking SLACK LOGO i hate bein advertized to without consent u cunts

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All I ever wanted was to be a trucker. Not exactly the most ambitious goal, but it would have made me happy, and now I wont get to do it because of goddamn automation. Feels bad. I should have been born in the 60's.

>>135316521
>https://hooktube.com/watch?v=S6UPGk8EFWE
>This robot can build a Chinese-tier squalor in two days

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>>135327928
How? If there is indeed increased efficiency that means that more capital will be invested into that market sector due to higher returns. This will increase competition within that sectore therefore (most likely lowering prices). This means two things. First that due to increased competition both companies will need both robots, therefore a second industry that will get a boost. Also new companies will need spaces to work in (new construction jobs anyone?) they will need the same corporate structure as every other company on the planet as well so white collar jobs will also increase. Now there's a market for better automated machinery so people will invest in that market as well, drawing in competition and restarting the process all over again.

Secondly increased competition and efficiency will lower prices. Now consumers have extra currency to spend on other industries. More restaurants, theme parks, general leisure outings. All of these industries will also need workers blue collar and white, as well as spaces to work in etc etc. That's how this shit works.

>>135315770
The point of automation isn't to have a literal robot do your job, but to automate as many aspects as possible to reduce labor needs. Yeah, cnc machines require human labor, but how many machinists are out of work due to them? One guy on a cnc machine can do what took teams a few decades ago.

>>135328667
Even with the onset of full automation it's going to be a loooooooooong time before full automation is fully trusted.

Every auto-truck will need a guy to sit in it just in case shit goes sideways.
Automation will wipe out a lot of jobs but it won't be as dramatic and instant as people seem to think. Part of that is by it's very nature and part is because politics won't allow entire sectors of an economy to disappear over night.

I'd sure love to send a robot into do my job, but unless you think a robot can install sand and finish a hardwood floor in a 200 year old house, it just isn't going to happen.

>>135319008
A human level of cognition is not that far away. Parallel processing (ie graphics cards) is scaling at incredible rates, and it won't be long before we hit human levels of processing. And with neural networks, it's a matter of generations before humanity is as obsolete in wealth production as horses became in the 20th century.

Automation always kills jobs nobody wants, and this time is no different. Trucking for example is an industry that currently has major labor shortages because the job sucks and few want it. If you reduce the costs of shipping things, every single part of the economy will benefit greatly, and more jobs will likely be created than lost.

We have far bigger problems to worry about than automation.

>>135313659
I want to buy a robot and send it to work for me.

>>135313659
unloading spent uranium rods from a reactor

>>135315790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRqLIa9RLJ0

roofer

>>135319230
ah
a brother in arms... or end effectors

>>135313659

Editing, motion graphics, or anything else in the computer art will never be replaced by people, that's why I'm glad I'm already in that arena

>>135313659
>tfw artist
>tfw my job wont be replaced by robots but when everyone else loses their job I'll be taxed out of 99% of my earnings

Guys am I okay if I get a bs in computer engineering and a masters in stats?

>>135333060
Shouldve chosen automotive or industrial design....

>>135333134
100% fucked

>>135318543
>>135319378
It's not about white colar vs blue collar. A trade won't save you per-se, a desk job neiter. It's about how much creativity and judgement is needed because you would need advanced AI for that. Being strong or precise is not impossible to implement in a robot. The work just needs to be definable beforehand. Examples:
Paralegals recognize data and process them by the legal code - automated,
Lawyers find creative ways for new situations and put judgement on facts - not automated;
Burger cooks make the food to spec - automated,
Fine dining cooks improve their own repices - not automated
Just look up any kinda related job, the construction worker will be automated while the foreman will stay to steer the machines. Banks will have developers but not tellers.
Not saying that everyone can be a "creative" snowflake, it must produce value. But it's ironic to me how many are still going into a job where they do the same thing everyday for minimum wage.
Best career plan at this moment is to learn something where you can supervise or lead some people (drones) to do some work.

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>>135333402
service jobs dont create wealth

you might as well dig ditches and fill them back up

when china takes its debt and refuses the america dollar

then youll see what reality looks like

>>135333060
I know graphic design is usually seen as a meme, but it's better than the fine arts.

>>135328801
I'm not arguing with any of this but I think you're misguided in the idea that the job market will scale proportionately alongside automation -- you're still looking at massive unemployment for the average blue collar individual, those who make up the vast majority of the low and middle classes and by extension the vast majority of the population.

My first and only point in this thread is that lawyers are not threatened by automation and that advances in automation and AI actually create work for lawyers.

>>135334000
graphic design is art for non-artists and is pretty much all plagiarism at this point

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>>135319378
>lawyers and judges will be gone
Who will make the law? Who will preside over legal matters? You think people are going to be okay with a fucking AI deciding their fate? The law is less rigid and more flexible/nuanced than you think. Anything concerning the abstract portions of human life and social order require human oversight and consideration.

>>135313659
I just try to ignore it and hope it doesnt happen. Out of sight out of mind.

>>135334037
You're not hearing me. I get that you think it won't scale proportionally. I just gave you concrete logic as to why and how it will. If specialized blue collar jobs are replaced by machinery guess what? The jobs necessary to facilitate that growth will become more accessible and readily available. We will also need more of those jobs. If robotics becomes that commonplace, a robotics technician will become the new welder/automechanic, and there will be just as many if not more of those jobs available due to increased efficiency. This isn't even going into how this will affect developing markets

>>135333134
>>135333315
> The two degrees that will allow you to design, build, and program a computer to process and analyze data/information in the most efficient way possible, in a time when mega corporations are desperate for this kind of expertise and will do just about anything to hire anyone and everyone who who has a degree in this field

11/10 job security, way to go m8

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>>135334532
you dont have to think about it its already here
forget automation

outsourcing and mass immigration already depleted the wages and took the jobs away

america is already dead

trump is trying to stop it but hes the golden calf trying to take us out of the land of egypt when theres a eclipse when god is coming to cut the nation in half great babylon

>>135333402
This.
The work of handymen cannot be automated, too. It is just too complicated for machines to go into a house, find the problem with X, e.g. why the light is not working etc., and then repair the system. We will have to wait a very long time for machines to do that. The same goes not only for repair purposes, but also for building. Floor pilers for example do very precise handywork in individual areas. Robots are good for doing the same things again and again, but as soon as you need to adapt to your environment they are not doing a good job for most of the time.
Tax advisers will lose their jobs for sure. I wonder, why this is not done online by some service providers already.

>>135334412
The AI will not work in precedental cases, but in many, many "everyday cases". Just create a huge database with all the past decisions and feed the AI with the data of your current case.

>>135313659
>Loan Officers are going to be automated
You can tell this was written by some butthurt STEMlet. Loan Officer is as much of a sales job as it is a finance. No business sis going to to want to hear a robot tell them they are approved.

>>135313659
that jobs are a fixed number is a meme
There is unlimited demand for labor

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>>135335159
t. someone with a job still

hey guess what all companies are finding out how to fire more people

capitalism isnt intuitive to all mankind it chooses to run with a few people as possible making all the money

they dont have to give you a job
\

>>135335344
once the price of labor comes down demand for it returns

>>135334037
>advances in automation and AI actually create work for lawyers
Wrong. 80% of clerk-style jobs, including most doctors and lawyers are at risk from ai much more so than dishwashers, cleaners, fruit pickers, etc. The reason is, we can program algorithms to replace these people but we can't mass produce machines with the dexterity of the average spic.

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>>135335580
ya in china where they get paid 2 cents

>>135335623
lawyers dont create wealth they destroy wealth

>>135333402
you will live to see the legal system automated. robot judge, robot lawyer. it will only take one country to do it before all others follow suit. despite what you or that kiwi think.

the idea with automation is making it work for YOU. for example, a bone simple haas mini-mill in your garage will pay for itself in a year. growing pot can be almost totally automated and will net you about a grand per plant per year. decentralize or die. get out there and do it yourself or become a slave to a massive centralized concentration of power and wealth.

>>135335008
>huge database with all past decisions and feed the AI with the data of your current case
>what are mitigating factors
>what are abstract social and emotional concepts relevant to particular situations that AI can never understand
What's next after judges? Automated congress? Kill yourself.

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>take the pillpill

>>135335623
You're talking about paralegal work there bud.

>>135335737
>ya in china where they get paid 2 cents
maybe welfare was not keeping priced artificially high 2 cents would be a lot of money

>>135335748
>Legal system will be automated in our lifetime
Law will be one of the LAST fields to be automated, if ever. It is not a black and white field. You are found guilty based on REASONABLE DOUBT, not fact alone. Also, the law states you will be judged by a jury of your peers. A human can persuade a jury better than a robot ever will.

>>135335748
>he thinks people will be totally okay being represented and judged by robots in a criminal trial which decides their fate
lol

What website is this?
No comments on it anywhere

>>135314862
Mate, robots are already 100% constructing houses, apart from wiring.

>>135335838

Do you realize that most legal work in every country on this planet is about some insignificant bullshit and not about serious crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing etc.?

>>135335943
>inb4 ass mad welders shout about how this is bullshit and will fully automated within the next decade

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>>135336060
lol now you blame it on welfare for keeping prices high?
that doesnt even make sense


that has to do with the federal reserve system and inflation

welfare doesnt even exist in the context you think it does

its incredibly difficult to get on it
if you arent very disabled or an elderly

>>135336410
https://www.replacedbyrobot.info/
Automation is just autistic STEM workers' wet dream.

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>>135313659
Problem with automation is that non state owned companies will automise in upcoming years and in the end all of them will belong to a company not the people, there will be no jobes and thus no income i n the end we will need a revolution ironicaly capitalisms highest form will become comunism.

>>135336454
English Common Law is the most complex thing that mankind has every created and all parts of it are extremely nuanced. You think that because a you aren't a criminal lawyer and you spend your time doing paperwork that it's black/white open/closed business?? Anything concerning humans and society cannot and will not be automated -- it's too dynamic, too specific and situational.

>>135318979
HR people aren't human anyway

>>135336187
>>135336255
you won't have a choice in the matter. take for example the vast majority of drug offenses the US legal system processes. billions of dollars could be saved automating that because the charges ARE actually decided on fact 99% of the time. take it from me, i used to practice law and this was the bulk of my work.

>>135336783
But if you just want to make a deal outside of the court because you bumped each others car? Then probably A was breaking hard, probably B was distracted - that makes B pay 70% as in previous cases kthxbye (or pay way more for wasting everyones time going on with the trial)

Every menial job would already be automated if we stopped importing free labor from mexico.

>>135337318
>Confederate flag
Again, you are talking about something you do not know shit about. It does not matter if it would be cheaper, it is not the law. Judges are voted in by the population. Lawyers have to CONVINCE the jury one side or another. Robots are not our peers. It will not happen.

>>135337321
The operative word(s) here is probably.

>>135336783
So you do really think that dog bite lawsuits, car accident law suits, slip an fall lawsuits etc. cannot be at least in great parts be done by a machine? The lawsuits I listened are under the most common btw.

There's going to be a mass depression/suicide epidemic at the very minimum once automation starts happening on a larger scale.

We might like to think otherwise, but life isn't supposed to be ridiculously easy (if there's a possibility).

>>135313659
socialism will work once they do comrade

>>135337318
>you won't have a choice in the matter
>big government says judge, jury and executioner is now a robot
>people are totally fine with it any do nothing because "no choice in the matter"
lol fucking neck yourself idiot

>>135337596
No they cannot. There are too many variables and a human aspect that is not black and white.

>>135335943
I'm just a basic now, so my job is already lifting fat asses and the elderly, and that market will only grow as more unemployed people get gibs from the gear gods and grow their gastrics out, gluttons.

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>>135313659
Yeah nah they're just making shit up, pic related

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>judge can "court order" people to lose their free will and have a guardian that makes their decisions for them and forced to take drugs held down with a needle the rest of their life because they didnt like you and called you mentally ill

oh but the justice system is legitimate

forget about the injustice in the name of calling people mentally ill

you have rights, but if we say youre mentally ill, you dont

>>135337596
>do you really think
Yes. That is exactly what I think. In any case, however minor, there are literally an infinite amount of different possibilities and mitigating factors which could lead to dozens of different outcomes.

Robots will never replace those concerned with the abstract of human life.

Who's gonna pay the income taxes needed in due to meet the pensions, the robots? Mechanization is simply not possible economically at this point.

>>135337783
I'm not a lawyer, but most of their work is already nothing more than assembly line work. That guy (>>135337318) is totally right.
It's not like in these fancy lawyer TV shows, in which every case is special and complicated.

>>135337955
>because they didn't like you and called you mentally ill
Little more nuanced than that you fucking rube.

>>135337932
>when he realizes that mannequin is not just a french word

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>>135338008
all the jobs already are automised its called pedro

and its called javier

and pajeet

>>135338113
a judge can take your rights away before you commit a crime

because they think youre unfit to make your own decisions

thats tyranny

theres no excuse for it its sickening

>>135337672
Workers unite = Robots unite. Doesn't sound good.

>>135314862
>because automation doesn't affect the process it automates
Prefabs, my good man, prefabs. Off the top of my head,
>person inputs house parameters (square footage, architectural style, etc)
>software has huge database of existing houses
>software generates a rough estimate of what house should look like
>another software does the structural engineering, does the math on material requirements
>yet another software splits the building into prefab components
>all this shit is sent to prefab factory
>self-driving truck delivers
>crane lifts and sets up the prefab components
All you NEED is an overseer at best.

>inb4 it can't be done
They already have autonomous cranes and cars, there's already software that is capable of generating new, optimized structural patterns. This is just a matter of time.

>>135338008
>muh taxes
Increased efficiency and increased production equals increased profits. The fact that business owners will be producing/earning more paired with the fact that they won't have to pay their employees means they can be taxed more.

>>135329106
This, my boss told me that he used to have a 10 man team to do what can now be done in excel and other software with 2.

>>135338110
It does not matter, law is one of the most human fields. Idk about Germany, but in the US, you are not convicted on absolutes. It is reasonable doubt for criminal and liable for civil. Are divorces going to be automated? No. This is why automation is such a meme. Any job that requires skill and involves humans/social interaction will not be automated.

>>135317266
Robots will repair the robots. Thats how its done at amazon

>>135338298
No, it doesn't work that way. It would plunge us into a recession. Add climate change on top on that and resource acquiring.

>>135338253
>before you commit a crime
Judges are only ever involved after the fact
>a judge can take your rights away... because they think you are unfit to make your own decisions
No, they can't. Medical professionals evaluate the accused and/or guilty party and the judge defers to their judgement concerning the nature of their incarceration (should they be institutionalized, etc)

You don't know what you are talking about.

>>135338110
you're literally arguing with cultists. that kiwi thinks people would rise up... LOL. i can't even remember the number of times i've seen people WAIVE their rights completely because it meant a softer punishment. him and that other guy are fucking high on their own farts.

>>135338110
In law school, you learn the law and how to inject arguments to win your case. Go watch the OJ, Casey Anthony, and Zimmermann trials again. the evidence can be overwhelming, but the law requires a certain action.

>>135338555
lol please stop

>>135338620
>he thinks people will literally allow themselves to be lorded over and essentially enslaved by machines
wew

>>135337956
>>135338419
I still do not think that you are right, but let's assume that you are.

Many lawyers will still lose their work because machines are more fit to give advices to people in lawcases because they are able to just read all the similar cases from the past in their database. And getting advice from a machine is less pricy than getting it from a highly qualified person, who sometimes charges a ton of money for this. The computer can tell you, for example, how high your chances for winning a common lawsuit are. That is one of the working fields of lawyers.

>>135338620
Thanks, I should stop arguing now... they will see that the machines are taking over soon. Hahahaha.

>>135338008
>Mechanization is simply not possible economically at this point
>implying it could let alone should be stopped
How do you gonna stop it?

>>135338643
We would need to extract resources from space.

>>135338620
You are retarded. Seriously. Go on to lexus nexus and read some case briefs. Look at the arguments made and how the courts ruled. Robots will not be taking over law.

>>135318557
We still have to worry about Pajeet doing that job for a nickel an hour.

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>>135313659
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>135338831
A computer can not determine how 12 people will vote hans. The best lawyers are not autistic researchers, but the best storytellers/persuaders.

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>>135338589
actually my moms taking me to court to try to get guardianship and i didnt do anything

and she wants to pump drugs in me against my will

i was already taken to a mental hospital without commiting a crime all you have to do is say you want to kill yourself

and they held me down against my will and kept me in their dungeon for 2 weeks you had to do everything they said and they held me down and injected me with shots

you dont know what youre talking about

>>135319378

leafs at it again

>>135338625
That and juries aren't robots. Although automated discovery is going to kill your billable hours.

I am a shrink. I am safe.

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>>135338844
With this.

Anything that requieres more than just hammering, screwing and simple math will be safe for a long while, machines are good because they can do the same simple thing over and over again for days, but you change one aspect of their enviroment and the entire production line collapses, and believe me machines can fuck up in a massive adnd diverse number of ways and skilled humans need to be there to make sure everything goes according to plan.
Pic up programming and you will be more than set, you want to live good go for engineering, believe is not as hard as it sounds.

>>135339105
Automation will kill paralegals.

>>135339215
yep

>>135313659
>dentist 0.44%

bow before me

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>>135339172
aawww shit

>>135316254
>A translation tool produced female associations with family and male associations with career, while Google’s photo tagging service mistakenly identified black photo subjects as gorillas.
Kek.

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>tfw network administrator

fu fagcucks

>>135338861
*lexisnexis

>>135338831
A group of 5 people are exploring a cave. There is a rock slide and the only exit has been blocked off. A rescue expedition finds them 10 days later and is able to establish radio communication. They tell the explorers that because of the instability of the geography and recurrent rock slides it will be another 20 days before they can be rescued. They speak with medical professionals and ask if they can survive for that long with the amount of rations they have. The doctors all agree that it is extremely unlikely.

Several days later they ask the doctors if they ate one of their number would they survive. The doctors reluctantly reply in the affirmative.

After they are finally rescued it is discovered that 10 days prior they had all unanimously agreed that they would cast dice and whoever cast the lowest number would be killed and eaten. They did so.

Are the four survivors guilty of murder? How will your robot try and judge this case? In the event your robot returns a guilty verdict, what sentence will it pass down? Death? Life in prison?

>>135317281
get your double digit baguettes here folks!

We need to take back the arts
>now

>>135318557
What's a Network-and-Computer-Systems-Administrator-bot going to do if someone unplugs his network card? Boom, you get to keep your job.

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i can live with that

>>135313659
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/19-3031-clinical-counseling-and-school-psychologists

And I do career counseling for you

>>135339088
What do you mean guardianship? Guardianship of what?

>>135319062
My 4 year holiday has come to an end, I'm currently wagecucking in a shop. Your plan kinda stops where I'm at unless you plan for some sort of drastic change.

>>135339689
(((environmental scientist))))

Fucking jew

>>135318879
UBI is a tool to restrict business among the (((elite))) just to hand you back a few shekels to spend on Faceberg and approved businesses. Think you can compete? Think again. They're cementing their dominance over the people through government handouts that can as easily be taken away when they find out you don't support the ZOG.

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>>135339727
a court in the modern era can "court order" you that you cant take care of yourself and a relative gets to control your life and you cant do anything about it

btw if you refuse treatment were gonna send a man to your house to inject the shots for you

and if you try to complain then it doesnt matter because legally your free will is with somebody else now

>>135340307
They can't do this unless you are a dependent or if you've been declared mentally unfit to care for yourself by the appropriate authority (psychiatrist, probably more than one)

So obviously you're a young guy who has had some problems, probably addicted to drugs, probably have been admitted to a psych ward and finally had the doctors declare that you are not fit to care for yourself.

This is not a bad thing -- look at schizophrenics. It's a terrible thing for society as a whole and for the individual in question to be able to roam around freely. This isn't unfair, unlawful, or tyrannical. You're just a fucking snowflake with a warped mind who wants to be able to wander the streets with his fucked up psychotic and/or dissociative thoughts putting himself and others in serious danger.

>>135340265
With UBI comes price and production controls. Say goodbye to freedom and capitalism.

>>135340817
I've done these evaluations. They need to meet pretty strict criteria and we will error on the side of competency.

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>>135340817
see what i mean youre exactly like them
hope you burn in hell

i dont carehow many psychiatrists and """doctors""" tell me im mentally ill and dont deserve rights

you deserve rights as a human being to free will

until i actually commit a crime and kill someone or something, you cant lock me up or force me to take drugs justifiably

schizos are just odd balls theyre still human

you believe in somthing called pre emptive guilty until proven innocent type shit

>>135341099
you dont get to evalute whether another person gets rights you sick fuck

>>135339558
I was talking about common cases and not special cases with no precedential case, anon...

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Not amazed by my result. Just like systems analyst work as well. If anything we will be troubleshooting and administering the automation programs and operations. There is too many human elements involved with IT to make it easily replaced by robots.

>>135313659
>Is automation a meme?

No. Many jobs will be automated. Those that think their job is safe are working in a job that is not optimized. Roofing for example by this..>>135338272. alot of jobs are just a result of inefficiency of something else.

I wouldn't say everything will be, but shitloads will be. Farming for example, or even fruit picking. Most people think that the fruit and the way it is all over the place will be hard for a machine to pick it, but once against because the farm is not growing it a certain way, to be picked automatically. Change that, and automation becomes easily done.

Modern society will have to have a fundamental change though.

>>135341231
It does not matter in the USA. The law requires that a judge deal with the matter. All judges have to be either appointed or voted in. A robot will not replace them.

>>135319062
Waste of life, money isn't important. Time is.

>>135341099
No we don't


We advise the court whether someone with a 55 IQ can enter a contract.

Or Bi-Polar with psychosis is stable.

Would you want someone who has a TBI and severe cognitive problems driving a car?

We don't do this arbitrarily

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>>135341251
>There is too many human elements involved with IT to make it easily replaced by robots.

My AI just came up with a solution to this problem. Fire more humans, free up IT resources that can then be fired and be replaced with automated systems.

Thanks AI you are my greatest ally.

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I'll be okay. Goats and beekeeping.

>>135341226
There are plenty of people with Schizophrena who lead completely normal lives.

The court orders competency evaluations and it is always as a last resort. Usually because someone has endangered someone else.
And we don't decide anything. The court does.

Your rights can not be taken away unless you are a danger to others.

>>135342234
4th amendment
4th amendment
4th amendment

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>>135340817
>They can't do this unless you are a dependent

neets tend to be dependant people

now you think neets who dont have jobs dont deserve human rights and respect


>>135342234
they get to decide if youre a "danger"

justice is supposed to be there to punish criminals

you dont get to say omg this guy looks crazy he should be taken off the streets into my mental prison and loaded with drugs all his life because i dont like him

Front of house hospitality.

Fucking shit job but yeah itll be a while before theres personable robots thatll replace me.
Dare say ill leave the profession long long before that.

>>135313659
>tfw whenever AI gains enough influence we will see them begin mass producing robo cuck porn fucking white women
At least they are not jews right guys?

>>135313659
Automation will only affect manfuatring and retail.

Driverless cars will replace truck drivers and taxis have already been replaced by ride sharing apps. That's about it. Planes and Trains will still require Pilots and such because even though they already pretty much operate themselves, people will never ride a plane where a pilot is a machine. They once suggested that planes be made into drones and be operated from the ground but everyone was against that because things can still go wrong and that it makes more sense for a pilot to be more focused when his life is also on the line.

Literally, nothing else will be replaced. People will always be needed and other jobs are simply way too complex for an AI. The people and random factors make certain jobs difficult to automat. An accountant can be replaced by existing accounting software that anyone can use but an accountant is still needed to verify things and is, therefore, the most suited to use the accounting software.

This is no different than in the 1800 - 1900s where jobs were being replaced by new shit.

>>135343061
Now with artificial wombs and some genetic fuckery they can also give birth to future generations without needing a human couple, too.

>>135342492
>>135342456
That's not how it works

Forensic evaluations are done after a verdict.

Competency evaluations can revoke some privileges (Driving a car) and entitle you to state programs. You don't get SSDI without an evaluation.

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I think these estimates are completely bullshit and that technology will be as shitty and unreliable as it always is but im safe regardless

>>135341226
This post is exactly why you should be institutionalized you fucking invalid.

>>135342492
Dependent in a legal sense (i.e. a minor or someone with limited mental or emotional faculties), not dependent in a fiscal sense.

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Safe and sound.

>>135341231
That case is a common problem given to first year law students -- there is a precedent for it (obviously not exact) and it's meant to illustrate how the law is not and should not be a set of rigid, unforgiving rules and that cases cannot and should not be decided based on a black or white interpretation of legality.

>>135339689
Enviro sci master race

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>>135343623
they can also play the "hes a danger to himself" card which is what they normally do

>>135343766
>limited mental or emotional faculties

well that could be someone you dont like
again

which is what theyre trying to me

im going to court FOR BEING mentally ill

to take my rights away

>>135342492
"This guy looks crazy" is profoundly different from several highly trained mental health professionals saying "this guy is definitely crazy"

I've come to the conclusion that you are a troll. Good work.

>>135344192
>that could be someone you don't like
You're right anon. Everyone is out to get you and the system wants to oppress you and use you as a guinea pig for their psychological experiments.

>>135344062
And competency is not all or none. It can be limited. This is done so people with cognitive and mental health problems are not exploited.

And trust me they are.

>>135343623
First off, we do not have """rights.""" We are granted what the state allows us to have. Why? The state has the monopoly on violence, and rights are just words without enforcement. The NSA and CIA step over our 4th Amendment right and nobody does anything other than mutter. No outrage or political action. This shows our rights mean nothing.

>>135344435
Oh and since this is the case, robot judges will surely help you.

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>>135313659
feels good man

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>>135344288
who cares if someone believes aliens is coming to get him

you think just because someone is an "expert " and a "professional" they can take away your human rights?

i dont

i think those "doctors" should get the death penalty

>>135313659
I automate jobs for a living. I have work forever and my schedule is full for 10 years minimum.
So tell me, what is your job? For some reason I want to automate your job for thinking this is some kind of joke. Automation and AI are a direct threat to the well-being and purpose of life for most human beings.
>No work, no purpose, expect chaos.

>>135344288
Exactly
I didn't get my PhD out of a Cracker Jack box.

>>135343862
Sweet gig

>>135315770
>>135314862
Yo. It's my job to put people out of jobs. Automation here.
The problem is that you don't really get how automation works.
Automation almost never looks the way you expect it to. It is an exercise in thinking out of the box. Generally, it's impossible to automate something without significantly changing the process through and through.

Let's take the brick and mortar Amazon Go store for example. Regular grocery stores usually just lay things around on a pile on platforms and shelves. Well, if you want to remove the human element, you need to take advantage of what you've got. Sensor fusion.
How do you organize things in such a way that you can have sensors account for every item in the store? You package them individually and shelve everything. No need for registers, because their phones handle inventory and payment. The only humans you need to have are for stocking and security, and you don't necessarily even need that.

If I were to automate roofers out of a job, I would either design prefab roofed sections that can be cut and tied together like ICF blocks, or I would redesign the concept of a roof so that roofers aren't necessary. Shingles that can be replaced from the inside.

>>135344506
>we do not have rights
This couldn't be further from the truth. ECL moved away from the traditional method of codifying our rights (these are the specific rights you have) and instead assumed that we simply have every right. Anything you can think of, that is your right. The problem obviously is that the rights conflict -- this is why we have the doctrine of precedent. We address these problems as they arise and judges draw on prior decisions to make their judgments; it's an evolutionary approach to law.

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>>135344951
wait why are you trying to imply we have rights when you just said you have to meet a certain mental and emotional requirement

no you have rights as long as the judge says you do

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>>135313659
Automation will necessitate communism. Tell me comrades how will you earn your wageslavery once your job is replaced?

>>135344584
>you think just because someone is an expert and a professional they can make an educated ruling on your capacity to prevent harm from coming to yourself or to others
Yes. Yes I do.

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>>135345175
then why dont you go to the hood with your psychiatrist buddies and drive down the street and every black man with his pants down

immediately taken to prison

because thats not how freedom works

they have to actually do something

it makes you a tyrant

>tfw IT guy
>my job is to literally automate myself out of a job

>>135344506
I agree we don't have rights. If we buy into social contract theory and Westphalian sovereignty, then rights are just an agreed set of rules. Locke says that agreed rules are a state of peace and disagreement on social rules are a state of war.

I agree that the state/institutions are out of control right now and that is why we are pretty close to civil war here.

Fortunately, competency evaluations are rare and most often voluntary or after a guilty verdict has been rendered.

>>135345102
I also said your rights necessarily conflict with the rights of others. If you're liable to harm anyone else, you're impinging on their right to go about their day without being physically harmed. You are a danger to society -- so you are removed from society or else closely monitored/controlled in a way to prevent you from causing harm to anyone.

>>135344951
>precedent
I don't even know what this conversation is about, but precedent is a cancer on the judicial system and is a direct affront to the concept of separation of powers.
If you want judges to legislate on the bench, precedent is the way to go.

>>135345515
IT guys are supposed to be grunts that sysadmins and CIOs use to enact security and network policy that they wrote. If you're thinking of IT as anything other than a temp job, your doing it wrong.

>>135342123
Same senpai.

Everyone accuses it of being low skilled, too.

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>>135345579
idk man you keep saying its rare but my mom is taking me to court to trample all my human rights and i didnt do anything just assumed i cant take care of myself because my mental instability

>>135345583

see >>135345358

you dont "imping" on anyones rights by being unusual and think aliens are after you

youre allowed to be that way

and like i said you would have to go down to the hood and instantly arrest everyone because theyre suspected of a future crime

>>135344734
This where my original post came from before I got sidetracked.

I am shifting a lot of my practice to career counseling. I think I will be very busy in the near future.

I advise clients into careers that require innovation, creativity or human interaction.

I also tell them that you will be in a lifelong cycle of skill building.

>>135345685
This is a common argument against the doctrine of precedent. It seems as though judges have an infinite amount of power. Upon close examination it isn't really true. First, a judge cannot overrule a precedent set by a higher court so the only judges with "absolute power", as it were, would be the SC. Of course these are carefully chosen from a group of illustrious legal scholars with a long history of ethical behaviour. Any ruling they make can also be overturned by any SC in the future.

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>>135313659
Every job can be automated. Every single one. It comes down to basic economics. If the cost to automate is greater than the cost of hiring mexicans, you hire mexicans.

Entire fast food restaurants, from cashiers to burger-flippers to fry station can and already have been automated successfully. An entire franchise can be run with only two human employees who hop between reloading the raw ingredients into the machines when the hoppers run low, janitorial service to bus the tables and mob, and to occasionally help old people scared by the touchscreens.

The problem is cost. These systems cost a lot of damn money, so even having to deal with niggers it's still worth paying meatwalkers to do the work. Raise than minimum wage to $15? The numbers work out differently. The cost of your burger-robot could be offset by wages saved in just a few years, or less as prices continue to drop. You automate.

The end result is faster, far more efficient, always cooks the food properly, and never fucks up an order. And you never have to deal with a nigger again, because competition will be so high for the two $15+ job openings left that they will only hire "the best" candidates for the job instead of what dregs you can dig up for minimum wage.

The rest are just expected to die off, as the stones predicted. We all could be living in a Jetsons future where people work only a few hours a week while living a lavish lifestyle. You just have to kill off most of the population to do it.

>>135346026
>guy thinks aliens are after him
>he's hysteric
>oh fuck the aliens are disguised as my neighbours
>he cuts all of his neighbours faces off
You're allowed to be a conspiracy theorist but for things to have come this far for you (court date) then obviously you've gotten up to some pretty fucked up shit and you're a liability to the community.

>>135314862
You are right and wrong. The coming wave of automation affects more desk jobs than physical ones. But in the longterm nothing is save, better stay flexible.

it's just a BS article. it says software development will be automated. that's impossible without general AI

>>135346441
...theoretically speaking, could this burger robot make my burger look just like the picture?

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>>135346485
but niggers arent a liability to the community?

you cant persecute schizophrenics because they might cut someones face off

they have all the rights as an ordinary person until they actually do it

then they go to jail like everyone else

or get the death penalty

youre a tyrant

and a fearful scumbag coward

thinking people are going to cut your face off so better arrest anyone around me i suspect before they do it

not how justice and freedom works sorry

why not just sentance people to a life time sentance in jail the second the professionals diagnose someone with schizophrenia

>>135314862
As a computer science major, I couldn't agree more. People seriously overestimate the number of jobs that can be taken by robots and automation, especially considering robots need fixing and oversight, thus creating different jobs.

>>135346800
I'm getting really tired of replying to your illogical emotionally charged arguments. Take your spacing and go back to where you came from.

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>>135313659
The most at risk job is your blow job job.

>>135346972
It's not that they will eliminate all jobs. It is about efficiency. What was done by 10 people can be done by a robot and a tech.

My brother went through this in the printing industry. What was done with 15 guys per shift is now done with two. He kept up with the tech. He kept his job, most others were fired.

>>135345112
We would earn wages through hobbies that rich people support like jewtube, twitch, and anything that allows e-jesters to flourish. If there were more rich people, if the Jews didn't control big businesses and use government to control their competition, there would be enough money to be passed around through direct trickle-down economics by directly funding the poorer based on who entertains or teaches them the most.

>>135347328
FYI: That's Nicole Peters.

>>135318979

You do realize of course this is because your job is going to die the ignoble death it deserves right?

Who needs HR when there are no humans?

>>135314862
>How the fuck are you going to automate roofing?
>Someone would need to create some ridiculously complex and expensive machine

Looks like you just answered your own question.

It can be automated, but the costs to hire mexican day-laborers are less than the cost to engineer such a complex machine just to lay down shingle.

Your job is saved not because it can't be done, but because mexicans can still currently do it cheaper.

>>135346291
It's a problem of timescale and the breadth of problems precedent can be applied to.

Let's take Trump's travel ban as an example. It's a time sensitive executive order written by one of the highest powers in the land. Then some random fuckwit who isn't even on the same continent decides that he needs to put a stop to it and declares it unconstitutional, because there is no precedent. Now the executive order has to wait months upon months for it to reach the Supreme Court all the while the circuit courts delay it as long as they can.
You will also find that the timescales the judicial system operates in is absolutely unacceptable. You could be waiting years, decades for cases to resolve, while generations of people cycle, popular culture and entire presidents change.
It's quite a bitter situation.
A high court might decide upon some decision based on precedent or declaring new precedent--effectively writing new legislation--and then you need to wait decades for that decision to change.
Even Congress works faster than that.

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>>135347088
no kill yourself buddy

day of rope is for you

Luke 14:13-14
But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

>>135316340
Why would any of us care about something 30-40 years away? By that time we will be retired. Well, those of us who aren't retarded.

>>135347633
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iry-fullyhosted_003&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003&hspart=iry&p=automated+bricklayer#id=1&vid=904c512e453c846c353b7a0c911a3496&action=click

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-robot-could-build-much-of-your-next-house-2016-11-01

your time is almost up

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Yeah I don't buy this shit. Don't see my job becoming automated without the company paying out the ass for violating our union contracts. At that point we could probably retire and keep our pension. I'm ok with this.

>>135347862
You are being way too optimistic.
It is going to be exponentially faster

Even Radiologist and Anesthesiologist are being automated.

>>135347672
You're saying that the doctrine of precedent is an affront to the separation of powers and in the same breath you're saying the executive should be able to unilaterally pass into law whatever it likes without being scrutinized and, where appropriate, amended by the judiciary.

>>135348009
They'll just declare bankruptcy and void your contract. Unions are a joke.

>>135348009
>truck driver
>doesn't see his job becoming automated
>thinks his union will protect him
you're in for a nasty surprise anon I'd be exploring other avenues of employment if I were you

feels good owning my own business.

>>135336677
>its incredibly difficult to get on it
1/3 of the country is on food stamps
disability is full of crap like mental health

>>135348501
And what business would that be?

>>135348234
Lower courts should not have the power to shut down an executive order. They don't even have the power to totally shut down state or federal law.
Trump's executive order was shut down nationwide by ONE lower court judge from Hawaii.
Meanwhile, states like California get away with violating the 2nd amendment for 50% of the state, with multiple ongoing lawsuits, yet the unconstitutional law goes on strong. Laws don't and shouldn't get overturned by lower courts.

>googled dancer
>13%

Dancing robots? Wtf? You cant predict that.

>>135348501
Self employment is where it is at. Worked for the government for years. I am way better at my job without all the red tape B.S.

This is the future. Cottage industries, DYI, 3D printing and creating uniqueness.

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>>135348561
food stamps is less than 1% of the budget

its very effective my only problem with it is that it stimulates walmart too much

otherwise its a good thing to free up money for other things for the poor

>disability is full of crap like mental health

well why isnt the government doing its job to give jobs to these people

because when i tried they didnt have any programs to help they just said heres a job listing go do it yourself

>>135348561
Bread and circuses

>>135348637

my family owns a company that makes various parts for aviation, automobiles, HVAC, and energy

>>135348743
>DIY*
ftfy

>>135348858
>My family
Oh right, and you're the libshit that will fuck things up for that business.

>>135348653
You're essentially talking about a restructuring of the judiciary. The US is a complicated system... it's often overlooked that each state is essentially its own nation and that is why the lower courts retain the right to contest any executive decision.

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>>135348653
Furthermore, the only responsibility of the judiciary should be to scrutinize whether a defendant is in violation of the law, and whether that law is constitutional--Yes or No. There should not be any leeway for interpretation. A Yes or a No is all that is needed. If a law is even partially unconstitutional, then the entire law should be stripped from the books with an explanation.

>>135348893
Sorry bro
My rum bottle talking

The thing is most of these skills you can get for free

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>>135349073
stop arguing justice and law dude you dont believe in it

youre not consistent

>>135346800
Wow. Late to the party but read the back and forth.
people like you make me unequivocally hate democracy and liberty

>>135348443

It won't. Our DOT has a lot of restrictions in regards to commercial transport. I guarantee you that even if the technology is there, the regulations won't get passed because of the number of jobs it would kill.

>>135348830
>because when i tried
So you are mentally ill?

>>135349201
In what way have I been inconsistent, invalid?

>>135349116
Although it's still a problem of interpretation--in the end, precedent is inseparable from the judiciary because mental gymnastics can be applied to just about anything.

It's really a problem of duty to upholding the law versus the duty to upholding your own personal beliefs.

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well, fuck

>>135349282
The Luddite wall will get run over. You aren't competing locally, you are competing internationally.

If you don't, they will.

>>135349450

No learn how to make your own shit. Or learn to fix the machine that replaces you.

You are smart enough to be on Pol so you will be OK. Most are going to get hit hard with this.

>>135349450
>he fell for the welding jew
Trades are good but you should have gone for something more dynamic. A plumber can do any of hundreds of things related to plumbing, an electrician anything related to electrical.

A welder is a one trick pony.

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>>135349282
Automation here again. Technology doesn't care about treaties or contracts. The superior will eventually win. Whether employers cut off from the Teamsters out of spite, because the trucks can still drive themselves, or because the employers die from being outcompeted by others.
Automation always wins. As long as there is capitalism, business owners will be forced to improve and compete or die in poverty.

>>135348443
I don't think most people understand what we actually do. The only part of our job that can be conceivably automated would be the actual driving or loading the car. Id love to see a drone try to lift a 150lb roll up mattress to someone's doorstep. There would be a lot more theft too. Packages would also get fucked by inclimate weather. There's just too many issues. Have to have the human element in that job.

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Why do you keep posting an azn whore that only looks the way she does because of heavy surgery?