Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam

>>135238525
They incinerated a SHITLOAD more chinks in their mudhuts than Americans died. That's worth something.

>>135238525
How many Vietnamese bombs ever fell on American soil? Protip: it's the same number as currently living princess Dianas

>>135238792
Not really. They completely failed to achieve their political objectives and they went home with their tail between their legs.

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They say that it was not a war but an armed conflict when the definition of a war is an armed conflict, they're neocons just sucking America's dick

>>135239011
Completely irrelevant.

>>135239019
I consider incinerating communist chinks a win in any circumstance

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>>135239019

>>135239019
Operation Linebacker and Linebacker II kicked the enemy's teeth in and brought them to the negotiating table. At that point we left cause nobody wanted to be there and as soon as the NVA saw it was safe to resume operations they took over. It wasn't a loss it was "fuck it, promise not to be assholes when we leave and we will leave". Real talk, it was just the elites cashing out after making profits dicking around with operation rolling thunder.

>>135238525
We're an incredibly spiteful people when it comes to war.

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>>135239344
That's because you're an idiot.

>>135239406
I can post edgy pics too.

Americans are so dumb they think they can fly :DDD

No objectives remained unaccomplished in the course of the war. In the aftermath, the democrats blocked supply shipments to the south vietnamese and that's why the south fell.

>>135239140
Not a war in the eyes of America if Congress does not declare war. Call it what you want but legally it was a overdrawn military operation that should have either been a war or never have happened.

>>135239019
and yet we're still there now..... using the Vietnamese's cause to justify picking on China. I don't think you know what "Go home" means.

>>135238525
no win condition was met so the ruling falls to whoever had the highest k:d ratio. and that was us

The kitty who playfights against the full grown dog thinks that he wins fight just because the dog gets distracted and stops playfighting

>>135239797
The whole point of the war was to prevent the spread of communism.

To this day, Vietnam is still a single party communist state.

The whole war was a complete failure and a waste of resources.

>>135239019
They left because their goal couldn't be achieved and the war was pointless to continue and frankly pointless in the first place.

>>135239019

You seem salty about needing us to bail you out in WWII. You live on such a silly little island, no wonder you're bitter.

>>135239996
see>>135240067

>>135240179
The goal COULD have been achieved but they just couldn't achieve it.

>>135240050
Are you implying with that terrible analogy that America "wasn't even trying"?

>>135240067

>SV overtaken by Socialist Republic
>Communist

I thought UK education was good? I guess that was back in the 90s

>>135239736
Shouldn't you be running from busses?

>>135240350
Well that's just rude...

>>135240452
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-16567315

Literally the first line:

>Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies

>>135240465
It's acid attacks now m8. Get with the fucking program.

>>135240425
We had nukes at that time. If we wanted to completely destroy Vietnam we could have.

>>135238525
>over a million gooks killed
>now they make our sneakers for pennies on the dollar

Sounds like a win to me

Why do Brits and Leafs refuse to admit that they are the reason NATO lost the Afghanistan war?

>>135238525
It was a tie...yea a tie..

>>135240794
Because they barely did shit and act like they weren't even involved

>>135240738
Why are Americans so simple minded...

Again, the objective wasn't to destroy the company you imbecile. This isn't Cawadoody. It's not about K/D ratios. It's about achieveing your geopolitical objectives.

>>135240792
see above

>>135239736
> be me
> be on Asian gap travel year and land in Ho Chi Minh City. Buy shit bike because plan is to bike from HCM to Phenom Penh
> get caught in rainstorm and bike chain in two breaks because communists made it and its shitty.
> finally make way to small village where there is some form of civilization and manage to find someone willing to accept money for spare bike chain after communicating with hand gestures
> nice family takes me in for the night, feeds me, and has spot on floor that's dry I can sleep with my sleepingbag
> after dinner father of house gestures to offer up wife as prostitute for money. Decline because not a piece of shit
> family then offers up their children as prostitutes. Decline because not a pedo piece of shit
> United States greatest country in the world,
> Vietnam full of broke-ass chinks so desperate their offering up their own children as prostitutes.

You tell me who won the war Britfag...

>>135239736
Holy shit that's terrifying

>>135241032
Then blame the politicians instead of the soldiers

>>135241184
>situations that never occurred in reality

>>135241032

It was a war by proxy against Russia. I think you're a bit too focused on trying to push your narrative for the (you)'s.

Communism didn't spread as our "domino effect" scenario projected, which is a win for us and a loss for Russia.

However, South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam, and in that sense it was a victory for Russia and a loss for us.

If anything, it was a stalemate.

>>135238525
Because it wasn't a war. We found out that having the biggest body count didnt win wars anymore because the 'ideas' don't die.

Not to mention, north vietnam used force against it's own people to win this war. My pop said they would destroy entire ammo depots and villages only finding out they were rebuilt within a week.

No war was ever declared by congress so idk how we lost something that didnt exist.

>>135241335
> Britfag lecturing American about winning wars...

Not only does no one care what you think "govna", but if you don't think that story is true (weird thing to make up), do you doubt it COULD be true? Vietnam is a fucking shithole with desperate people, humid as balls weather with giant ass rain storms, barely functioning roads, and just a shitty life. Vietnam "won" nothing.

Nigga 2nd MEB had to save you britbongs sorry asses in 2009 and Cucknada wouldn't even ceed their battle space until 2011, yall lost; Vietnam was like what 50 years ago?

>>135238525
If America lost the Vietnam war then they won the Revolutionary war.

>>135241639

>The place is shitty so they lost

I'm in your corner that OP is a massive faggot, but your logic is fucking retarded.

>>135241335
Not an argument

We didn't lose the war, the Jews did
>Viets keep US Jews out of their government by allying with the Soviets
>Viets are too small to give anything in return to the Soviets, so they just mooch off Soviet-Jew money for decades before adopting socialist policies when the Soviets collapse
>Viets invade Cambodia to kill Pol Pot, and get in a fight with the Chinese Jew
>Goyim all around the US hear about the time a group of filthy rice farmers defeated the most powerful military in history, and bring that war up whenever Democrats try to grab our guns

I'll admit we lost the Vietnam war once you admit you lost your ENTIRE EMPIRE and haven't won a war since WWII...

>>135241631
>massive armed conflict spanning nearly two decades and costing hundreds of billions of dollars
>it's not really a "war" though because some men in suits didn't officially call it one

>>135241586
I think I'm looking at it as simply as you can.

America had an objective for getting involved in the region. They completely failed to achieve that objective.

I don't know how you can call that anything but a total failure and a loss.

>>135239541
>it wasn't a loss we just refused to keep playing
quitting = losing ameritard

>>135239141
Like the British Empire after WWI

>>135242091

You are looking at it simply, which is why you are objectively wrong. It's not a simple matter.

>>135238525
sage thread

>>135241639
Doesn't matter if they're poor. They won the war. 'nuff said.

>>135241992
Falklands.

>Makes fun of US for losing war against millions of hardend insurgents fighting their own civil war 20 years before US even got involved, with nearly unlimited logistical support from USSR
>Couldn't defeat less than a million drunk/starving Irish after 400 years

>>135242562
Couldn't defeat us.

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We brain drained their country and now they are productive member of our society. Hard to feel like a loser when i nut in my viet gfs puss every morning.

>>135241639
>Vietnam is a fucking shithole with desperate people
so is america, what's your point?

And nigga, I've had fire fights that lasted longer than the Falklands war did you seriously try to use that

>>135242261
You're right it's not a simple matter. However, if you look at what the objectives were when the American govt decided to intervene in Vietnam you'll quickly come to the conclusion that the main objectives were not achieved.

The country is still communist to this day.

How can you claim victory if you didn't achieve your primary objectives?

>>135242503
You're missing the point moron. It's about RELATIVE loss, as between US and Vietnam. US recovered virtually immediately after pulling out. Vietnam is STILL not recovered to this day. Put another way, the US losses relative to Vietnam's was less. It's only your types who think Vietnam became some sort of utopia after a generation of them were killed.

>>135242562
no one is making fun of you for losing they're making fun of you for refusing to admit you lost. you're a sensitive bunch

>>135238525
Vietnam cucks are highly mentally unstable

>>135238525
Look at it like this britbong.


Guy A and Guy B get into a fight. Guy A is on top of B, bashing their skull in. Guy A starts to notice his hand hurts, and leaves Guy B in the dirt in a pool of their own blood, Guy B is barely clinging to consciousness, but Guy A decided to stop before they broke their knuckles as the fight wasn't all that important anyway.


Now who won the fight? The guy laying on the ground surrounded by their own bodily fluids, spitting out their teeth, but still survived, or the guy who can still walk home and put an ice pack on their knuckles without an ambulance coming to scrape them off the pavement? It's not that complicated, we were winning but decided some gooks in the jungle weren't worth dying for... or do you disagree? Got a bit of the yellow fever across the pond?

>>135242817

Yeah, but it's also buddying up with America in preference to China (I guess there's that whole millennium of fighting off Chinese occupation behind that) and is opening up after realising the failure of marxism.

>>135238525
To lose a war you have to surrender or be completely wiped out, neither of which happened with us.

>>135242730
You're a fucking idiot if you think that. This is what anarchist fags think who don't know a damn thing about the real world. Try China, Russia, the Middle East, the hole continent of Africa. Take your fucking pick. Suggesting the yanks are in anywhere near bad shape as these places is insanity

>>135239141
It actually is relevant that a country that wasn't invaded nor suffered any sort of material loss to its civilians somehow lost because it got tired of killing gooks. It's like beating up a five year old. Are you saying that if you lose interest in beating that five year to death and he still lives, you actually lost the fight because you didn't really want to pay the price to get what you want.

>>135242984
>muh k/d ratio

This isn't CoD.

The yanks had an objective, they failed to achieve it. The viet cong achieved their objective.

How much more do I have to break it down for your maple syrup addled brain to process?

>>135238525
why do brits refuse to admit they lost WW2, to the USA?

>>135243023
better analogy
gut A tries to fuck guy b's gf. guy b beats the shit out of guy A until guy A fishhooks guy b's eye and he whines and gives up and goes home. leaving guy A with guy b's gf whose pussy he pounds mercilessly all night

who is the winner?

>>135243393
It's a hard pill to swallow fellow North American.

>>135238525

Left wing intellectual Noam Chomsky argues that the US succeeded in Vietnam.

They wrecked Vietnam for decades.

>>135243280
2 of your cities are in the top 50 most violent IN THE WORLD. That includes warzones. Vietnam doesn't even make that list. sorry but america is a shithole that's been running on fumes for about 30 years.

>>135238525
We didn't lose. We just took our ball and went home when we realized the war was fucking stupid.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans admit we lost the Vietnam war. Have heard MUCH more denial about Afghanistan, particularly from the great white north, eh?

>be British
>have the greatest navy in the world
>get BTFO by the german navy
>sell your Caribbean possessions to the USA
>get 100 obsolete destroyers in return

>>135243023
I'm literally laughing at your childish analogy.

You know this is an 18+ website right? Do your parents know you browse /pol/?

>>135243326
Fucking hell you guys are dumb.

War is not about "hurr durr beat the other guy up" you mongoloids.

The decision to get involved in an armed conflict is not one that a head of state would take lightly nor without a precise set of objectives.

>>135238525
We lost the Vietnam War because we finally let Leftists have their way in politics. Compared to all of the other shit that we've had to endure because of that one thing, the loss was a minor footnote.

>>135238525
America benefited the most out of the vietnam war.
>landed on the moon while fighting an unpopular war
>smuggled drugs
>killed 1million wannabe chinks
>deformed hundreds of thousands with agent orange
>open trade with china
>swarm the pacific with boat people
>btfo vietnam by trade embargo for 20 years

and vietnam is still trying to be friends after all we did to them

>>135243773
You bongs will never understand. War for us Americans isn't about destruction because we're in a nearly unassaible position geographically. It's more important for us to fight low intensity long conflicts so we can buy and sell weapons. You make more money doing that than you do trying to civilize the natives. That's why your empire failed and ours hasn't yet. Until somebody can either become more profitable at war or invade us, we're an unstoppable juggernaut. We weren't havent even been on a war footing since WW2. How exactly do you think we afford to have consumerism and militarism at the same time? It's sure as shit isnt because we invade vietnam and make it the 51st state. It's because we just bomb the fuck out of them with disposable and usually ineffective but expensive weaponry that sustains the tax farm of the state to serve the consumerists that sell the televisions.
Your failed empire tried to civilize darkie for spices. We genocide them from the sky for hot pockets. And we aren't even really trying yet.

>>135239736
>why are some brits in denial that their cucked country is no longer an empire and is literally an insignificant little spec of whiny tea-guzzlers compared to the US and other superpowers

>US Losses past 120 years: Vietnam
>British Losses past 120 years: WWI, WWII, Afghanistan 1, Afghanistan 2, Boer War 2, Libya, Ireland

True, it might be a hard pill to swallow. But of course, not all American history is good/righteous, and the Vietnam War is a perfect example of one of America's dark deeds.

Like the slaves, American soldiers in Vietnam treated the Vietnamese with prejudice and violence. We straight-up killed innocent Vietnam citizens-- women and children. We literally committed genocide on these guys. The way we made it look is basically we "pulled out" from the war and it settled, but of course America had stopped their war.

It's a shame really, Vietnam was, and still is a beautiful place. I don't doubt that America will get into another (all-out) war within the next couple of years (preferably with North Korea or finally wipe out those damn Muslims :))

>>135244356
Our empire will fail because we're allowing darkie to take over from within.

>>135243559
Well, their goal was to halt the advance of communism, which they did.

There are plenty of wars in history where the military front wins but the political front loses domestically.

>>135240067
Yes, buy if that's your criteria for military loss then your entire history is one

>>135241032
>It's not about K/D ratios. It's about achieveing your geopolitical objectives.
Guys war isn't about kicking the enemy's ass and if you kill your enemies they win

>>135244767
Sadly yes. The white mans greatest weakness is cheap labor.

>>135238525
What would you have us do?
Kill literally the entire population of Vietnam
The only reason America was even in the war was because the french army couldn't handle there own shit

>>135244541
>>135244356
>>135244825
>all this ad hominem

That's not the point burgers. You lost in Vietnam. That's what we're discussing here. Stay on topic.

>>135244825
Lol indeed, try being an empire 1 billion + people now a sad rainy island with a few million.
How does it feel to have lost every war ever UK?

>>135244794

>>Well, their goal was to halt the advance of communism, which they did.

communism took over all of Vietnam, how the fuck did they halt the advance of communism? you aren't going to twist this bullshit into how losing Vietnam to communists somehow contained communism on a global scale are you? if you are, citations please.

>>135245001
You can win a war while still sustaining far heavier casualties that your opponent you faggot.

Look at Russia in WW2.

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>>135245244
>how does it feel to have accomplished more than any other country in the history of the human race

Pretty good yank. Pretty good. Maybe one day you'll catch up.

>>135245292
Because those Communist Vietnamese invaded the Communist Cambodia to overthrow their government before getting in a war with the Communist Chinese.

>>135238525
things wouldnt be nearly as bad as they are today if it wasnt for the fucking hippies and their free love movement bullshit normalizing miscegenation.
vietnam was nothing more than a massive social engineering ploy to undermine the key values of america.
a generation of young men shipped off to a drug filled hell hole then denied by their homeland had a devestating impact on society as a whole.

Vietnamese are founders of guerilla warfare. China, Japan, France, America and allies, all crushed, elephants didn't do shit when that was a major war weapon back then. Gotta give credit where it's due.

>>135245135
You can't read can you? I just explained that victory for us is money not whatever idiological objective you think we failed to achieve. How many other countries increase their GDP during a war? America always does.

>>135241184
I swear to god this is top gear deleted scenes

>>135243773
Ha, whatever man, believe whatever you want to. And since we're just gonna fling shit like fucking chimps instead of having an actual discussion...Your country is irrelevant, cucked and castrated. Your women are being raped and your men do nothing to stop it. Why don't you go make your self a nice cuppa tea, that way you're nice and docile watching Jamal and Muhammad run a train on your wife, maybe they'll even let you get some milk for the tea from her sloppy cunt when their done. You're pathetic and so is your whole island, you disgust me, and I'm almost ashamed we share some ancestors, but then again that was when the UK was GREAT Britain, not this hollow weak shell of a nation filled with pussies. We should've let Germany take you, maybe then you'd actually have a pair of balls. Maybe.

>>135239019
This is true

On a strategic level the US lost the war.

On a tactical level they wont almost every engagement, with the exception of a select few.

You can win every battle and still lose a war.

>>135242503
Argentina actually won the Falklands.

>>135246167
What do you mean?

Argentina actually won the war that was shorter than my firefight

Ho Chi Minh looked up to America and even referenced Thomas Jefferson in one of his speeches. Truman Doctrine, Domino Theory - coming off of WW2 and Korea's first "test", all fascinating history, made it a clusterfuck that forever transformed our society and move from conventional warfare to what some may call modern combat. One of my favorite books is "About Face: Odyssey of an American warrior" if you want a good view of the setup back then. We were scoping those gooks out starting with Eisenhower.

>>135246568
it reminded me a lot of that top gear episode where they all bought motorcycles, and clarkson a vespa, in Vietnam then made jokes about the american war there, while trying to act as though we'd massacred their people as an act of genocide and hate us as such, whereas vietnam actually is one of the most friendly states towards the US in the world, with 78% of them viewing us favorably (sauce http://www.pewglobal.org/database/indicator/1/survey/all/). I've been to vietnam, they fucking love americans there

I got distracted but that's what your post reminded me of

>>135247078
Oh the people are kind as all hell. I was literally fucking drenched. I had never encountered a monsoon in my life until then, and was walking for almost four hours with the bike tied to my back when the family took me in and fed me with what little food they could spare (I obviously gave them money and a bunch more afterwards as a thank you) and gave me a place to sleep. I don't think a fellow leaf would have done that. This was also in South Vietnam, so maybe it's not the same in the North. I dunno.

>>135247692
No shit? If you haven't seen it watch the top gear episode in vietnam. Super similar to your experience in that i thought you were shitposting in your original post because it was so close. But yeah I really enjoyed my time there, it was way better than thailand. Although I will say the friendliest people I've ever met in a foreign nation, aside from Canadians, were Germans of all people. Switzerland, Austria, or Germany it didn't matter; they were wonderful people.

>>135246882
Ho Chi Minh's declaration of independence was almost a carbon copy of the US declaration of independence.

"America got destroyed by vietnam farmers XD" is such a meme that people unironically started believing it after a while

i shouldnt even be replying to this thread

>>135238525
What did we lose? Im still free

>>135248108
I fucking loved Vietnam. I ended up going up to Hanoi after Cambodia (no biking though) to get back to HK As for hosts, to be honest outside of the French I've found everyone to be pretty friendly. The Brazilians stand out, Germans are good, Argentinians... Most people aren't complete assholes like here at /pol/ irl

>>135238525
because in order to "lose" a war generally the other side would have conquered something on your side, and taken something from you. that didn't really happen in vietnam. we laid waste to much of their country, until it became clear that the people really didn't want western capitalism and were hell bent on communism. the entire country was essentially like the ANTIFA losers of today.

of course, a few years later they found out that communism sucks and basically started moving toward state-capitalism (which is still "communism" in name, but essentially western capitalism in practice, with even freer markets).

stupid gooks should have just taken our word for it to begin with. communism never works. dumbasses.

>>135238525
But they didn't lose the Vietnam war. It's like claiming you won a tennis match against a top tier player, because the top tier player had to leave for dinner.

The fact is, North Vietnam wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the SJW faggots. The communists were on the brink of extinction in Vietnam.

>>135245135
You lost in America
Fuck off Bong

>>135245874
No they arent you retard

>>135238525
I don't think they ever wanted to win.
It seemed to be a test bed for monsanto and du pont.

scaring the chinese was also cool.

They even used chemtrails to see if they could flood the viet cong out, lots of testing of new toys

>>135238525
We might have "lost" in Vietnam, but at least we had a good time :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQEDojPZ7YI

>>135252031
The military industrial complex mad a shit ton of money

>>135250857
Fuck off retard. The north vietnamese were fighting for independence and unification from france and then the US. If Truman would have accepted Ho Chi Minh's independence and love letters the North Vietnamese wouldn't have turned to the communists. There's no fucking way some small jungle country in bumfuck asia is any threat to the US an ocean away. The Vietnam War was a civil war, it would be like if Britain allied with the confederates, if the south won with foreign aid the results wouldn't be accepted.

>>135254326
>The Vietnam War was a civil war
it really wasn't a civil war by any capacity once we were involved in it. it was a war for ideology, communism vs capitalism. who on earth knows why you come on and say "fuck off retard" then spout off a bunch of half-historical-truths and stuff that's totally unrelated to the conversation we're having. it really is irrelevant if you personally, a random fag from the internet in 2017, think that there's no chance a domino effect that spread communism could have happened god damn idiotic /pol/

and then you write this comment
>"there's no some small jungle country in bumfuck asia is any threat to the US an ocean away"
which makes me wonder if you're even historically learned on the vietnam war and why we went in there, or if you're just some dude who is sitting at his computer going "i need to say things" and felt like now was a good time to say things

>>135251928
I'll give in it's debatable on how you define it but they're up there historically with the Romans and Chinese dynasties. Certainly an exemplary example in the 20th century. They do have a proven track record of BTFO of invaders through the majority of its history though.

>>135255009
Okay retard why was the US in Vietnam to stop communism but didn't give a fuck about Pol Pot in Cambodia who committed genocide on his own people who were communist allies with China? Explain to me why the Gulf of Tonkin Incident where there were no US casualties was justified to invade Vietnam. Explain to me how the US didn't sell Vietnam out and pull out to open trade with China (Nixon visited china months before pulling out of Vietnam in 1973). Keep regurgitating the bullshit the media feeds you and giving long winded answers for reasons things happen. Why the fuck would the vietnamese accept peace terms from president nixon who resigned from office because some people who work for him were spying on democrats and he erased his recordings?

>>135238792
Damn right Leaf! Scoreboard mutha fukkas! USA! USA!

>>135255738
You're a liberal brain slug baby. Gulf of Tonkin was an escalation of a committed war. They had military advisors in Vietnam under Eisenhower. Do yourself a favor and look up Truman Doctrine, Domino Theory, and do note (((Kissinger's))) involvement while you're at it.

>>135239344
So russia lost WWII because it lost the most men? kek

>>135242113

We held up our end of the deal, not our fault ARVN can't fight for shit

>>135238525
They didn't lose

>>135238525
we didnt lose, the politicians just ordered a hasty retreat for reelection votes. basically the same shit king nigger did

>>135238525
>Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam war?

victory would have meant genocide on every gook in indonesia except for the south vietnamese

>>135257161

sorry, indochina

but them too

>>135238525
>250 lb MMA champ has to fight a 60 lb 10 year old girl
>he's embarrassed af about it
>does it anyway since he promised some dumbass frog he'd do it
>kind of smacks her a few times and gives her a bloody nose
>now he feels even worse about it
>crowd starts booing
>little girl sinks her teeth into his leg
>hauls off to crack her little skull open but can't quite bring himself to do it
>more booing
>turns around and leaves the ring shaking his head and wondering why he let that frog talk him into this mess

"Hahaha he totally got his ass kicked by a little girl" -some retarded limey faggot

Your daily reminder: US losses past 120 years: Vietnam British losses past 120 years: Boer war 2, Afghanistan war I, WWI, WWII, Falklands, Afghanistan war 2, your empire, your self respect

>>135256758
Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag you stupid fuck. The CIA, JFK, and LBJ were complicit with the coup that killed Ngo Dinh Diem and in that same month that he was assassinated JFK was assassinated. You didn't refute any of my points and resorted to name calling which shows you don't have any facts to back up anything you say. Truman nuked civilians and Kissinger "military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy", you trust the words of warmongers who send soldiers to die and warplanes that bomb civilians indiscriminately?

America uses nukes and then uses the threat of communism who were our allies just yesterday in WW2 to put fear into the American people to build bomb shelters because of a fabricated fear of nuclear annihilation.

>>135238525
>Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam war?
because we didn't

JFK assassination may have been a blessing in disguise as he was responsible for the escalation/draft. Add in bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis, the deep state then was more than likely pretty red pilled following ww2. Nixon got us out of that mess. "I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for 200 years". If only leftists studied history outside the indoctrinated path.

>>135243424
Wtf?

Only bad thing about Vietnam War is that only 60 000 imperialist amerifats died in it. Still a net positive to human society

>>135238525
>Are they delusional or just misinformed?
No, that would be you. Sorry for your misfortune, I hope they find a cure for that retardation one day.

>>135238525

Mostly delusional.

>Join civil war to stop South Viet Nam from going communist
>Retreats and South Vietnam falls to communism
>muh media
>muh casulties

>>135257722
I'm refuting your lack of focus on how the Vietnam war was already in full swing when Gulf of Tonkin went down and how that's irrelevent to the reasons we were there in the first place. Don't disagree it's a false flag. Pretty sure I don't need to resort to name calling when you're glossing over the points I was making you limp-wristed faggot.

>>135257869
You dense motherfucker. JFK was pulling troops out of Vietnam. The day after his assassination LBJ reversed that order. Nixon sabotaged peace talks in 1968 to cut a better deal with South Vietnam when he got into office except he dragged the war out for another 5 years.

>>135258347
Having advisors in country is not the same as having combat units on the ground fighting. How about you stop sucking the government's cock and admit the Vietnam war was unwinnable because the South Vietnamese were corrupt puppets who couldn't win without big US military fighting for them.

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>this salty britcuck
>probably some inbred paki

>>135239140
America hasn't been in a war since ww2 dummy

>>135258861
Nixon sabotaging peace talks is unproven beyond an aide. Has today not proven it was more easy back then than now to subvert? Especially considering this was THE seed of the fruit we see today? Funny, it's all the same characters.

>>135259485
Having advisors on the ground nearly a decade before what most people consider the Vietnam war is significant. Not sucking any cock it was technically winnable just not politically. I always find it intriguing how Korea is rarely ever mentioned, almost unknown, because it just kinda worked out but is instrinctly tied to Vietnam as far as thinking. Yuri was spot on.

>>135238525
>Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam war?
The United States had 58,318 dead and 303,644 wounded by the end of the war, I think they'll do anything to avoid thinking about how pointless it all was.