Is Ukraine actually going to turn into Malorossiya or is

>>135121028
It's part of the political bargaining process. It MIGHT happen if the current self destructive course is maintained by ukrainian government leading to eventual collapse, but it's highly unlikely since external players such as US and EU and even RF aren't thrilled about the idea of dismembered or destroyed ukraine each for their own reasons. On the other hand the current course is result of consensus between those actors, so who the fuck knows.

>even RF aren't thrilled about the idea of dismembered or destroyed ukraine
What do you mean, they fear that the Chechens and others would be inspired to secede too ?

>>135124787
Nah, it's simply easier to control ukraine as a whole and whether friendly or hostile it's a decent buffer so long as it's at least half stable/independent.

>>135121028
Stop posting my flag. Faggot.

Ukraine is going to fall further down the drain to african levels of poverty, it is already the poorest country in Europe. After it decided to fuck up relations with its largest trading partner right after the Maidan the countrys future was fucked.
Malorossia will probably not happen though, Russia needs separatist enclaves so that Ukraine will never join NATO, as the organization does not accept countries without territorial integrity.

>>135125070
>en RF aren't thrilled about the idea of Ukraine dismembered
No ethnic Russian living in Ukraine wants to live under the rule of the govt. of 2nd poorest country in Europe Again. How do you deal with the expectations of your people. Crimea is going to stay under RF control, that's assured. What about the other ethnic Russians in Donbass?

>>135131311
>2nd poorest country in Europe
Are you sure you aren't a burgher? Cause your education is showing.

No the whole Ukraine.

>>135131311
>No ethnic Russian living in Ukraine wants to live under the rule of the govt. of 2nd poorest country in Europe Again.
I didn't get this part. Are you calling second poorest country Ukraine or Russia?

>>135123563
>RF aren't thrilled about the idea of dismembered or destroyed ukraine
Why? That's exactly the Russian policy towards Ukraine right now.

>>135133630
>Why?
Because your economy is in ruins, and we fucked up by taking Crimea, if we would did the same stunt but with only reclaiming DNR & LNR, we would have more profits than losess, but.....

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>>135132805

Ukraine is Africa tier country

>>135133630
This is a common misconception. Remember that Minsk Treaties were drafted by a russian lawyer and no one wants them executed more than Russia itself.

The misconception is, of course, understandable but it can quckly be dispelled by looking at the economics of the affair.

Say we did invade and take everything up to odessa by force. Say we did it with minimal losses and casualties. Hell, while at it say that ukrainians would be as accepting of it as crimeans are.

We now have a region under our aegis that we have to repair, and I'm talking not about combat damage but 25 years of corruption, shadow economy, and general lawlessness.

It cost us billions of dollars to get crimea up to our standard of living and that's just some 3 millions of people, do you really think we can afford to go around annexing the rest?

We would be forced to either make our own population suffer the economic pressures or run ukraine like a colony. Given that it's well known that Ukrainians are obsessed with idea that russians want to colonise them, ignoring uterly blatant efforts to do that and more by US/EU, it would inevitably cause unrest and instability, which would only add to the bill.

No. Current Russian strategy is simple and blunt. Ukraine will not become part of EU/NATO, everything beyond that is of low priority.

>>135133439

How is this a question? Ukraine is literally an Africa-tier economy.

>>135134030
I misunderstood your post to mean Russia. While true that DNR/LNR want to join RF fully, I outlined reasons why it's not happening in the other post, on top of that remaining part of ukraine will grant Kremlin more leverage over Kiev, which is why kiev is making every effort not to follow Minsk atm.

>>135134845
So it probably will become a frozen conflict zone like those republics in Georgia: Abhakhasia and South Ossetia or Transnistria in Moldova?

>>135121028
No way. It would take too much effort for no gains. Ukraine's only worth to Russia is that it's a market which can be pressured by the whole Europe into trading with Russian companies. The only other thing of value is no longer Ukrainian and that's the Russian navy port in Crimea. The rest of Ukraine is worthless. If it turned into desert overnight, another country would take it's place and nothing would change.
Also read this >>135134703

>>135136064
Yeah, in all likelihood. The problem with that tho, unlike those nations the conflict is not frozen. It's low level but it continues to burn. Additionally for all their flaws Georgia and Moldova are both stable nations, while ukraine had 2 revolution in one decade and the current government is the most corrupt they had to date, so, in short, it's gonna blow sooner or later unless something is done to fix it.

The problem is - no outsider wants to risk any more capital, economic or political, to do that and Ukrainians themselves destroyed any hope of natural growth by disregarding law to stage a revolution and later by breaking their trade ties with us.

I do not see a positive outcome for ukraine w/o radical change in either the trilateral relationship between foreign powers or internal political shift from pro-west faction to pro-Kiev faction.

>>135121028
>Is Ukraine actually going to turn
Once Putin retires, Russia is going to give Crimea back in a treaty that allows its oligarchs to continue to funnel state assets into foreign cash deposits again.

>Malorossiya
Malo is latin for "bad"

>>135138815
>Malorossiya
Malo is latin for "bad"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia#Etymology
It comes from Greek it is Minor, Litte.
>>135138815
>Russia is going to give Crimea back in a treaty
i don't believe, is full of ethnic Russian and Putin is colonising that with Tartars who lived Tatarstan. It has historical and geostrategic importance. Some anon also brought a news that RF put out a threat is ready to use nukes in case of someone interferes with sovereignty of Crimea.

That's why you have the conflict in rest of Eastern Ukraine to work out as leverage like the Russian anon said.

Russian anon here complained that Russia fed govt. is channeling a lot of money of the budget to region more than Chechnya and others.

Losing the region again - could force other republics or others like >>135124787 said to be inspired to secede, making Russia smaller / balkanized as it already suffered during USSR dissolution