I told you guys that nihilism is the ultimate blue pill! LOL

>>135089783
READ Nietzsche, nihilism is good

>>135089783
it is man, this is why india is a shithole full of childish beliefs and japan and all asia i mean fucking japanese celebrate christmas saturnalia jesus defeating the adversary eating fucking kentuchy chicken instead of doing the correct remembrance like christians do.. they are like robots with notingh to looking forwards besides selfpleasure and braindead fetishes

>>135089783
find out if the guy running the channel is one of (((them))).

Also isn't that term a paradox considering it dosn't matter if it's positive or not?

>>135090313
reread Nietzsche, he plainly and clearly says nihilism is a disease of the mind that will lead to the fall of western civilisation

>>135090819
cut the pagans some slack dude, they don't know any better.

>>135090313
While few philosophers would claim to be nihilists, nihilism is most often associated with Friedrich Nietzsche who argued that its corrosive effects would eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions and precipitate the greatest crisis in human history.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/nihilism/

>>135090819
Materialism.

i just watched it
the sense of the video is
There is no purpose in life so make your own purpose, be happy and have fun
Doesn't sound that awful to be honest

Kutzkdakt (?) are awesome tho

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>>135089783

Roommate put his video on, I disagreed with its premise.
According to this schlub, the stars would still be twinkling if humans didn't exist. I call bullshit, it's the humans perception that allows for stars to twinkle. Without our observing the star, it's literally just a big ball of highly condensed elements. There is no twinkle without an eye.

>father of nihilism influenced Hitler and Nazis
What do /pol/? Is nihilism good or bad

>>135092117
hitler was a weak drug addict that went crazy and killed himself
he was more pathetic than the average /pol/guy

>>135092117
It's bad, Nietzsche was AGAINST Nihilism, not for, he saw it as a slowly creeping disease that was going to infect more and more people until it reached a critical point, just reread the quote I forgot to green text right here
>>135091607

>>135092117
It's good. A healthy phase of nihilism wipes the moral slate clean.

>>135091847
>morals are subjective isn't a bad thing
>x actually isn't degenerate, it can actually be beneficial
>umm masturbaciones is actually good
>let people be polygamous it isn't affecting you and your morals are irrelevant
>so what? drugs aren't even bad that's just societal influences pushing bullshit onto you

I honestly believe it's actually waste of time trying to save Europe, you degenerates just like to hurt yourselves in the worst way possible without even realizing it.

>>135089783
normies are making nihlism cringe "no purpose of life so make your own" bullshit gtfo face the harsh reality that humans arent special and the universe is random and we as a species can die any moment

>>135092560
masturbation*

>>135091426
>>135091607
WHICH IS A GOOD THING TO MAKE THE CONDITIONS RIGHT FOR THE EGOLUTIONARY PROCESS OF CREATING THE UBERMENSCH, WAY 2 LEAVE THAT PART OUT

>>135089783
Are they conditioning is to be slaves?
Also why isn't /pol/ freaking out about the microchip that the company is doing?

Nihilism is intellectually lazy and diminishes your existence while you're still alive. Be meaningless when you're dead.

Life could have meaning if you pursued a noble pursuit such as diminishing your, your family's, your friends', and your community's suffering.

People like nihilism because they don't have to be responsible. For anything. That's just a sad miserable fate

>>135089783
Optimistic nihilism is some seriously faggoty ass bullshit.

>>135089783
Their videos are usually neat, but that video was cringey as hell. Definitely one of their worst.

That kind of "optimistic" nihilism is a phase you go through when you're a teenager growing out of edgy nihilism.

Nihilism leads to exactly what we have now: a world full of Last Men.

>>135092762
>the fall of the west is good!

thanks for proving me right about you guys wanting the west to fall, Mohammad! Oh that's not your name? It will be your wife's son's name if it isn't already

>>135092815
>kurzgesagt
>neat
they're TED talks tier

>>135092560
>chicano
>I honestly believe it's actually waste of time trying to save Europe

>>135089783
Nihilism is dumb. Why not just apply an understanding of nature to our cultural values and form a system of ethics from there?

>>135092560
do you think any normal person wants /pol/ to save europe?
europe isn't yours, it doesn't share your ideals and doesn't want to
/pol/ should just find an island somewhere and create it's own society
too bad you wouldn't have any girls though

>>135092791
Nihilism means nothing has inherent value and so you have to decide for yourself what is valuable in your own life. In other words, your life is meaningless so you have to give your life meaning.

>People like nihilism because they don't have to be responsible

Nihilism means being responsible for giving your life meaning you stupid cunt.

>>135089783
>western values
oh? what are these?

there never was a universal set in the west

>>135092589
Here comes edgy low IQ /pol retards.

>>135090313
Thanks for being too dumb to read Nietzsche, and making America look retarded

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>optimistic
>nihilism
Talk about a non-sequitur

Here's the video
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14

>>135093151
So many baseless assumptions. Also, thank you for enforcing my point. I honestly don't care which was the whole point of my commen, it was more so to convince others to stop caring about Europe's demise. You guys are asking for it, so you'll get it eventually.

>>135093067
>implying

>>135091847
it's basically what jordan peterson says

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>>135093227
>what is the church?

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>>135089783

Everyone who is red pilled will reach nihilism at some point.

It's part of the natural process.

You act like nihilism is something people want to reach... it's just what happens when red pills and realization plateau your mind and leave you in a state of "what's next"?

>>135093213
No it doesn't. Giving your life meaning would mean something has value, which is the opposite of nihilism you stupid cunt. Taking responsibility for meaning in your life is how you dig yourself OUT of nihilism.

>>135093356
I love how my keyboard either mixes all the languages I have with something other than English when I have "English" selected, and when I write a word correctly, it changes it to something completely different, but if I mispell something, it just skips over it...

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>>135089783

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>>135093426
>>135093227
see

>>135089783

fuck you they make really good content

>>135093448
Ironic, considering tons of people on here have experienced nihilism, and proceeded to dump it.

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>>135093681
>and proceeded to dump it
Contemplating the abyss, will lead many to do that

>>135093474
>Giving your life meaning would mean something has value

It doesn't have inherent value you retarded cunt, which is why you need to imbue it with value.

Nihilism = Red pill.
.

>>135092589
If we aren't special why worry?

>>135093356
honestly as a white man in europe i have never felt that i couldn't get a girl because of the black guys
or i couldn't get a job cause of the jews
Those are just good excuses for the people who fail at life
Europe doesn't need to be saved from anything

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>>135093789
Source on that image?
I always had my suspicions about the masons.

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>>135093814
>you just gotta believe!

>>135093291
This
Burgers interpret nietzsche like the muslim world interpret the koran

>>135093681

> tons of people on here have experienced nihilism, and proceeded to dump it

That's like saying tons of people have been depressed and feeling lost in an abyss but they found some happiness and became uplifted thus leaving their depression for some time.

nihilism is a natural state of limbo which the mind goes through

No one seeks to be a "nihilist", if so that is even a thing to be. nihilism simply happens to your mind.

>>135093981
How is the relevant to anything I said? Are you autistic?

>>135089783
Nihilism is a product of progressing western values.

The majority of 19th and 20th century writers and thinkers could be (and often are) labeled as nihilists, because they acknowledge that life has no inherent meaning of its own, and people are the ones to ascribe one to it. It is the current end game of philosophical thought, that there is no intrinsic meaning in the universe.

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>>135094234
>I always had my suspicions about the masons
It was co-opted by a small group. 90%+ are decent good men who joined a social club... the other few % have used and subverted it for their own agendas. Basically just an old occult ritual club. Source not sure desu

>>135094469
>Basically just an old occult ritual club. Source not sure desu

Masonery is condened by the Catholic Church and was prohibited for Hitler and Mussolini.

Is more than "a social club".

>>135094451
Not really to what you said but that's what pol complains about
and when you say that europe needs to be saved i assumed it was that kind of bullshit that you were referring about

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>>135094453
Nihilism is a product of (((atheism)))

The further people went from the church the further they drifted towards nihilism and degeneracy.

>>135094635
Yep, like I said, it got subverted by a small % of it's members

>>135094671

> Nihilism is a product of (((atheism)))

No it isn't.

It's part of the natural progression of the mind. Anyone who thinks greatly will come to bouts of Nihilism in their life.

They eventually come out of it through finding something to live for.

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>>135094861
>They eventually come out of it through finding something to live for.
...still looking...

Nihilism is mind poison.

The modern world is rampant with degeneracy because people have discarded a meaningful life for empty-minded hedonism and materialism. Despite having easy access to every form of luxury imaginable by previous generations, people have never been more disconnected and miserable.

>>135094385
I misread your comment, I though it said all redpilled people reach nihilism. I am pretty sure that a decent portion of people never contemplate nihilism. I also strongly doubt it is a "natural state" of mind, as it is an ideal, just like anything else. You may also have a nihilist whom never tries to finding a purpose throughout their entire life-time.

What you are saying, is similar to an atheist claiming that atheism is the equivalence of being neutral on the argument of theism v. atheism. It's a non-issue as both are ideals toheirohehat people have toheirohehat acknowledge

>>135089783
aka hedonism aka postnational humanism aka cultural Marxism

>>135094660
So far everything I said about you is correct. Also, refrain from making assumptions, idiot.

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>>135094861
>the blue pill is the natural progression of the mind, goyim

No it's not. The more traditional a person is the happier they are. Have you not seen the stats on virginity and happiness in women? Being a nihilist threatens that not saves that. Becoming a nihilist first then going away from it just means you were wrong and then took the red pill. It's not a necessary condition/part of the process per se. It's primarily atheists who had no faith that fall for the black pill jew

>>135095125
>toheirohehat
and my keyboard is going autistic know

>>135094332
Nietchze was blind to the star metaphors contained in biblical principles. Something Newton, and others following the alchemist path mastered. He was a philosopher without the mathmatical genius to truly fathom Gods works in the Heavens. He was merely a cranky man child with an enabling sister who thought himself better than an illiterate plebian. While right he was wrong in some pats of his thesis.

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>>135091847
That's existentialism, not nilhilism

>>135091847
>>135095788
isn't it more like hedonism? They basically say "if it feels good, do it."

>>135092762
A person who has their self serving needs first into the mix of ethics is not an ubermensch, that's simply egotism.

While Nietzche's concepts in principle are great, the practice of them can be misleading for those who do not delve deep into themselves and the nature that is them.

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>>135095147
aka (((them)))

>>135095391
>star metaphors contained in biblical principles

what is this?

>>135092437
Honestly he was. It's just that he managed to be charismatic.

>>135093448
It's a phase that leads to "redpilling"

>>135092589
Sometimes you can just look at a person's post and immediately know that they have Rick and Morty playing in another tab.

>>135093227
>The Church
>The Enlightenment
>Human Value

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>>135095287

> The more traditional a person is the happier they are.

What the fuck are you even talking about you delusional faggot?

People are not born red pilled, they are born knowing nothing and grow up in a cesspool of culture.

There was always struggle in life, there was always hard ships and realization through experience.

You can't blame the jew for all of your misfortunes.

>>135091607
He literally argued that western values necessarily would destroy western values, that Christianity's will to truth would ultimately lead to its unraveling as people realized God is bullshit.

I know JBP loves to claim Nietzsche thought Nihilism was a disease and that "God is dead" is terrible but if you read him for yourself it is pretty clear that Nietzsche opposed Christianity and saw nihilism as an intermediate phase between Christian slave morality and the birth of the ubermensch.

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>>135095391
>Nietchze was blind to the star metaphors contained in biblical principles.

>mfw you have to resort to Kabbalah to refute Nietzche

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>>135089783
Nihilism was a mistake

optimistic nihilism is like leftist libertarian
a fantasy

>>135098455

> as people realized God is bullshit.

Nearly everyone I know who openly claimed to be an atheist is now dead or slowly dying because they believed god isn't real thus they stopped caring about life, thus they became reckless with their life and health.

>every bad thing youve done is forgiven
>Kicks cat

Is that like a common shortcoming of people?

>>135092762
>WAY 2 LEAVE THAT PART OUT
He also talks about the Last man, which is only concerned with his safety and carnal pleasure. You tell me which is more prevalent in modern society.

>>135090313
God damnit you stupid ass, shut the hell up

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>>135098387
>being this much of a newfag
>unironically affirming tabula rasa

learn about genetics faggot

>>135098982
It's rare for me to meet a Christian and no one is like this here, where the fuck do you live?
Who the fuck are you talking to?
People don't need a skygod to give their lives meaning, yes lives need meaning, but a god is not necessary for that.
People can give their lives meaning or find a meaning in something else.

>>135099328

> a skygod

Who said god is in just in sky?

Are you shilling or just never read the bible?

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>>135089783
Nihilism eventuallu leads back to religion assuming you don't adhere to it like a retard. When there is no purpose, you eventually realize that the goal is to make a purpose.I'd say it's actually like a spectrum.

>>135089783
When these dickheads do a video that isn't on science it's always a steaming pile of crap. Utter cunts can't help shitting out their commie trash

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>>135098982
this.
It's step number 1 in the subversive process as shown in pic related. It leads to a death wish and thus a cucked people

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>>135098982
meant to post this pic when i posted this>>135099692

>>135099460
So that's the non-argument you're gonna use?
I didn't mean it literally, it's just a term.
If someone calls Trump God-Emperor do they literally think he's the God-Emperor of America?
No, unless they're crazy, it's just a term for him that has developed in some circles and isn't meant literally.
And are you just shilling for god? Becuase that was a pretty shill-tier response.

>>135089783
>optimistic nihilism

Goddamn, that's fucking retarded. But I'm sure drooling millennials will eat it up anyway.

>>135089783

I watched the video, that shit isn't a bluepill, it's the B L A C K P I L L

>>135091207

It's run by German cucks, so literally worse than jews.

>>135099785

> If someone calls Trump God-Emperor do they literally think he's the God-Emperor of America?

Liberal shill rat confirmed.

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>>135101010
Does this mean you literally think I'm a rat?

>>135092762
Muh "If we hit rock bottom we have nowhere to go but up!"

You're a retard. Reading Nietzsche should have a minimum IQ requirement.

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>>135100931
>no morals to hold yourself accountable to
>this is depressing for some reason

If nihilism is true then there's no responsibilities. You're off the hook. No worries. There is no obligation to do anything at all so there's nothing to worry about. The ultimate blue pill.

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>>135099578
see: >>135094306

If you find the idea of religion being so impossible to believe in, maybe religion is not the problem but your conception of it

>>135100884
why is that retarded?

>>135090313
Nietzsche would be spinning in his grave you moron.

>>135091607

it already did. it was called communism.

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>>135101231

probably

>>135101777

checked. also please clarify what you meant so I can understand what kek is trying to say here.

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>>135103528
read pic related

>>135093151
lol dude you just made the same style or argument this guy was criticizing europeans for
I mean I'm not even commenting on the argument itself but I can't believe you walked right into that

>>135103689
even physicists understand the concept of god, they cite the idea in their works on quantum and relatvisitic theory all the time
i dont think atheists have any problem with people admitting god is a convenient imagination

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>>135104399
>didn't even read pic related from the post he's responding to

>>135103689
That's fine, however it doesn't really matter, does it? It's a fine argument for God, but not religion - and without religion, the existence of God is inherently without purpose.

I always felt like our genetic identity as shitty tribe based mammals is what caused us to believe in god. The inherent limitations in our thinking and perceiving body literally isn't able to comprehend the aspects and parameters of existence in any sensible way so our early stages of coping are deism. Eventually some develop the concept slightly further and run into the usual identity crisis of purpose, the roadblock that is limited by our mechanical being and eventual realize a sort of balance is the most healthy way to exist hence even nihilist that are grounded believe in working within this perceived version of existence instead of obsessing over the parameters.
tldr: we are stupid monkeys without enough time to function in the world AND figure out how the world works.

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>>135105314
>argument for God
>existence of God
>deism

I don't think you're understanding what is being said. Please read this quote from Dr. David Bentley Hart very carefully:

“To speak of “God” properly, then…is to speak of the one infinite source of all that is: eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, uncreated, uncaused, perfectly transcendent of all things and for that very reason absolutely immanent to all things. God so understood is not something posed over against the universe, in addition to it, nor is he the universe itself. He is not a “being” [...] he is not one more object in the inventory of things that are, or any sort of discrete object at all. Rather, all things that exist receive their being continuously from him, who is the infinite wellspring of all that is [...] In one sense he is “beyond being,” if by “being” one means the totality of discrete, finite things. In another sense he is “being itself,” in that he is the inexhaustible source of all reality, the absolute upon which the contingent is always utterly dependent, the unity and simplicity that underlies and sustains the diversity of finite and composite things. [...] All the great theistic traditions agree that God, understood in this proper sense, is essentially beyond finite comprehension; hence, much of the language used of him is negative in form and has been reached only by a logical process of abstraction from those qualities of finite reality that make it insufficient to account for its own existence. All agree as well, however, that he can genuinely be known: that is, reasoned toward, intimately encountered, directly experienced with a fullness surpassing mere conceptual comprehension.”

Source: Hart, David Bentley (2013). The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss. Yale University Press. p. 41-42

>>135105673
if we really want to get gritty then is the tribal instinct what causes us to basically sidestep the concept of the nature of things (god) the real cause of religion? how come we (specifically the west) personify the idea of existence and the cosmos instead of just going with the idea of infinite possibility being grand enough to revere?

>>135105673
I understand perfectly well. However, my point was that God can exist or not exist, and either possibility holds exactly the same amount of influence on our lives. It isn't until religion enters the picture that the existence of God has an effect. Now the problem is, what Hart is saying is very compelling as an argument for the existence of God, but not for any specific God, and therefore not for any specific religion.

If the proposition is that something created the universe, that's fine. What that doesn't explain is why, and what our reaction needs to be.

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>>135105948
No, the real cause of religion is God.

>how come we (specifically the west) personify the idea of existence

Because existence is personal. We are conscious. The materialists are wrong about reality being non-mental.

>isn't the musings of our limited imagination enough?

No. I seek the truth. I seek eternal life.

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>>135106092
>I understand perfectly well

so then you just straw manned then? Because if you actually understood you wouldn't talk like that, unless you do understand and you're just misrepresenting what was stated...

>However, my point was that God can exist or not exist

the entire point is that you this is a false dichotomy. God is not some being who may or may not exist. All of existence comes from God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc

Look at here at bit more closely: >>135101777

I'm talking about the left, you're talking about the right... do you see now?

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>>135089783
just remember that this shit is on the same site

>>135106279
here is the thing tho, diving into metaphorical stories seems like a more indirect method to enlightenment then philosophical dissection or scientific exploration. Reading others interpretations of GOD that have disguised and clouded seems counterproductive if you actually seek truth. The other aspect eternal life is also personal whereby isn't it to just another iteration of existence you cannot comprehend?

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>>135091847
sure it sounds great on paper and all ....

>>135106279
What's god?

>>135106618
No faggot, you just disagree with me. To me, God does not exist - but I'm willing to say that Hart is capable of making a compelling argument regardless.

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>>135106279
>No. I seek the truth. I seek eternal life.
You and I both, the only differences being our methods.

>>135089783
Why would you post this? Nihilists don't care.

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>>135106695
>diving into metaphorical stories seems like a more indirect method to enlightenment then philosophical dissection or scientific exploration

It seems that way, to a fedora:

“We see that it is not the task of Christianity to provide easy answers to every question, but to make us progressively aware of a mystery. God is not so much the object of our knowledge as the cause of our wonder.”
― Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way

>>135106954
If it's a sensual pleasure, it's necessarily temporary. How much food can you eat, alcohol can you drink etc, before it turns to pain and suffering? Whatever your capacity for these things, it's going to be limited. So even with these sensual pleasures, in order for them to actually be pleasurable, we need to exercise self-control, otherwise they turn to suffering.
And if we have a pleasure that when we continue to indulge in it, it turns to suffering, is it actually a pleasure or not? Whatever your opinion on that, you'll probably agree it's definitely a limited and temporary pleasure, and it's pleasure value depends on some exercise of asceticism to avoid the pleasure transforming into suffering.
From the ascetic point of view, sensual pleasure is like a little drop of temporary pleasure whereas in knowledge of God we find an ocean of eternal pleasure.
So if you have a choice between a drop of temporary pleasure or an ocean of eternal pleasure, everyone will conclude the ocean is superior. The ascetic seeks the ocean. So he's not actually giving up pleasure, he's seeking the maximum pleasure available. In that sense, he's going to call the ocean "real" pleasure and the sensual pleasure the illusion of pleasure.

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>>135106997
>implying nihilists are consistent with their nihilism

>>135107241
Interesting ideas, however I fail to see how they are incompatible with what I had posted.

>>135106881
>I get to define the theist's terms for them!

that's now how this works... When I tell you what is meant by the word God and you retract to a weaker straw man version for you to attack that makes you disingenuous... As Dr. Hart has noted, you're making a false dichotomy between God and existence. Learn to address this instead of attacking straw men.

>>135107143
well to put it more bluntly wouldn't it make more sense where the evolution of society also evolves the concept of existence and metaphor. The puzzles inherently do not change but the language and circumstance most certainly do. maybe it comes down to the feeling that with the changes in society certain methods of metaphor and tradition merely do not mesh with modern circumstances. Language itself has developed with time yet it too isn't always in a progressive direction.

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>>135107524
If what you mean by eternal life is anything other than God then you're referring to a delusion because God is life.

>>135107659
in a vacuum this is true but usually the armchair philosopher refers to the masses unless there is more statistical or a specific grouping made. To the same degree you can't divide infinity without taking placeholders and liberties, your stance could also be argued to intangible or vague to argue against without some more specific or practical terms.

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>>135107672
You're talking about (((progressivism))) rather than traditionalism. I think you're in the wrong place my dude

>>135107818
What I mean by eternal life is, at the very least, biological immortality achieved through the advancement of medicine, cybernetics, and other various technologies. However, there is one fact you missed.
Transhumanism is compatible with Christian teachings. One could seek eternal physical life, be it to better service God, the community, or otherwise, and still be a spiritual individual seeking eternal life through the path of the holy.

>>135090313
AMERICAN EDUCATION

>>135091856
Kurzgesagt, its a german word. it means: "Oftewel" in dutch
or :"in short" in english

They have a nice art-style, and clear explanation of their views, but they are fully inline with the globalist powers.

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>>135107918
>in a vacuum this is true

No its just true.

>the masses

This was already addressed here: >>135103689

1. you need to prove what the masses actually believe
2. it doesn't matter what the masses actually believe. If we were to debate evolution, should we only address the masses understanding or the actual understanding of real scientists?? If you facepalm when theists go "if evolution is real, why are there still monkeys and apes?" then now you know why I facepalm at you...

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>>135108119
>transhumanism

you're not talking about eternal life, you're talking about squeezing a few drops when you could have the ocean

>>135090313
>Read Nietzsche

Most people shouldn't. It took reading him, stepping away, reading more philosophy and history, living for many years, reading critical works about him and re-reading him before I understood Nietzsche in a non-emo way.

>>135108395
As I said in the very post you responded to, a person can have both.

>>135107962
I guess it depends on your idea of traditionalism. Even now our lifestyle has technologies and crisis never felt during the writing of many theological doctrines. Yet many argue not much has changed in mans inherent mechanical functioning except the societal and environmental circumstances in which he finds himself. We have adapted new language and technologies as our species has grown would not the ideas of theism adapt in similar fashion?

>>135108529
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other."
-Matthew 6:24

>>135096657
Charismatic is an understatement.

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>>135108557
>I guess it depends on your idea of traditionalism

I know you're not a pagan, just a postmodernist who doesn't know what /pol/ is

>>135108484
What non-emo conclusion did you come to anon?

>>135108232
well technically then you've already agreed by language GOD doesn't exist (as a deity personified by religion) and that you believe in GOD as something more cosmic and parameter setting. If that is so going back wayyyyy to your earlier posts are you wanting to argue about the necessity of religion instead?

>>135108646
>No one can serve two masters.
Inherently false for several reasons. Should the two masters have similar goals (the salvation of man and the ascension of man are similar enough) then they are able to serve these two masters. Secondly, do you not serve both your state and your religion? What of your family, your employer? Are many of these not masters (family might not be, I'll admit).
Lastly, Transhumanism isn't a master; no more than Capitalism or Conservatism are masters. It is merely a philosophy, a set of ideas thought of by various people.

>>135108753
that's always been the interesting thing about /pol/ that has been one of its most glaring contradictions. Despite it essentially being a very modern creation out of the literal dredges of society it somehow thinks itself a bastion of traditionalism. It probably comes more to mob think than anything I suppose.

>>135109078
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I already told you that this whole idea of God existing or not is predicated on the false assumption that there's a distinction between God and existence. Remember this?: >>135101777

Saying "oh well technically you're saying he doesn't exist" is just a flat out misrepresentation of what was just explained to you...

I'm talking about the left on that one pic, you're stuck with the right... maybe you should meditate on this for awhile. This is definitely an approach you have yet encountered.

>>135108395
>Implying the ocean isn't just an empty abyss

Not willing to blindly trust zealots and fanatics whose only source is the word of ancient fanatics and schizophrenics

>>135109173
>Should the two masters have similar goals

They don't. Christ talks about living by faith and eternal life through resurrection. You're talking about fear and clinging on desperately to this short existence while you still can. You talk of drops, I speak of the ocean.

>Secondly, do you not serve both your state and your religion?
"Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him."
Mark 12:17

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."
Romans 13:1

>Lastly, Transhumanism isn't a master;

naw you only want to completely transform your being into a machine because you're afraid of dying. that is not eternal life. That is being desperate and afraid of death.

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>>135109379
lol by pagan's own standards Christ rules. The pagans lost. There's no contradiction except from the pagans

>>135093448
Wrong, hopelessness does not equal meaningless. Anyone who is "redpilled" with half a brain knows nothing will change. However, there is still meaning in a collapsing civilization. Read Evola

>>135109464
so you are literally arguing about language in definition of existence? your earlier post seemed more in defense of religions impact then one about language.

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>>135109565
>not knowing how to read

Yeah because God is an empty abyss. suuuure.

>>135109796
I was mostly meaning traditionalist think really doesn't have much to say or that much place on animu board in the internet.

>>135109832
I'm getting our terms right. You're talking about the right, I'm talking about the left. However, I'm the theist here so I get to define my terms here, not you. So yeah, go after the left not the right. Look I know this isn't low hanging fruit like you're used to, but if that's troublesome for you then maybe you should just think about this for awhile.

>>135094845
>>135094234
>Subverted by a small group
If you mean Jews, then yes. For the bumfuck nowhere lodges, it is nothing more than a social club. When you get into the lodges like >>135093789 it is about the NWO. Jewish controlled societies use them to recruit goyim for their puppets.

>>135109705
All of what you just said is a coin toss with eternity. Is it so unreasonable for people to grasp on to what they know rather then take the 50/50 chance that there may or may not be a god?

Also do you consider transhumanism and finding rest in an afterlife mutually exclusive?

>>135093151
You just proved his point you idiot

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>>135109988
>traditionalists can't be pragmatic

/pol/ is actually quite useful for not only learning but for getting the word out.

>>135091847
>make your own purpose, be happy and have fun

So...hedonism? How's that been working out so far for western nations?

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>>135110166
>All of what you just said is a coin toss with eternity

>>135099297
This, the redpill is the return to traditionalism. Those who were always traditionalist are not "redpilled" because all they know is the truth.

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>>135110095
you have just said there are two frames, (left and right) I have not said there is necessarily anything wrong with the left I was asking if you are affirmed in that part are you arguing it as a basis for religion? as an argument for its necessity, it importance? it as proof that it and religion are the same?

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>>135109908
>>135110314
After about 10 years of age, I gave up believing in fairy tails. Not long after I realised that's all religions are.

>>135110354
this is unironically a good tldr of the entire damn thread.... Yet let's ask another, does being red-pilled have any value?

>>135110676
You misrepresented what I said earlier as I broke down.

If you're going to have this discussion you will unfortunately have to have it on my terms as I'm the affirmative and this will involve you breaking some habits you have built up over some time. Partly why I recommended you do some thinking about this before jumping into a discussion.

>arguing for religion?

“We see that it is not the task of Christianity to provide easy answers to every question, but to make us progressively aware of a mystery. God is not so much the object of our knowledge as the cause of our wonder.”
― Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way

>>135108208
Yup... Just watch their EU video.

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>>135110713
>became an atheist while reasoning as a child and stayed that way

so shocked

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>>135110883
>does possessing the truth have any value?

>>135110998
so then why not give a clear stance on your idea of religion for clarification. Is it closer to just the categorization of the thinking about existence?

>>135111418
so literally piece of mind is more valuable than ignorant bliss?

>>135111192
Indeed, i just accepted the ((truth)) right away :^) thanks mom and dad for ((teaching)) me about religion

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>>135111686
Did you not read that quote from Kallistos Ware? I've sent you that twice now and it's like you're just choosing to ignore it...

>closer
approximations won't help you. Only the church will as she is the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15)

From here, I really don't think I can do much for you other than to meditate on this for awhile. This isn't something that ultimately a conversation can ever solve. You have to experience the truth for yourself. Check out an Orthodox Church close by, speak to a priest, pray, meditate.

In the estimation of the spiritual fathers of the Orthodox Church, knowing God is not just another kind of knowledge. ...knowing God is not just another intellectual exercise. It is the kind of Knowledge that commits your entire existence, it is an existential, experiential, apophatic, and doxological Knowledge. We know God when we experience His presence as filling and overtaking us, when we feel completely dependent on him, "as infants feel dependent upon their mothers" (St. Basil). We know God not through our concepts and ideas only, but beyond and above them: for our entire existence is united with Him. We know God when we are familiar with Him as "the cattle are familiar with their manger." We know God when "we breath Him," when we feel His presence any place we are or go; we know God when we constantly depend on Him, when our lives belong to Him, when our lives become a constant praise of His Holy Name. ... Our Christian God, then, is not the "God of Philosophers." He is not a "Supreme Being" similar to other beings, another "essence" among many essences. The Christian God is "super-essential" and "super-existent" only in the sense that He is totally different from created existence. "If everything else is being, God is not a being," said St. Gregory Palamas.

Source: http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8038

I'm off to bed now. Peace.

>>135111815
Ignorant bliss (raised traditionalist but unaware of the rotting of the West) is easier than being redpilled, but remember, >95% of the population is sheep. Being sheep means they need to be protected. Being redpilled puts you in the position of the shepard, especially on the family member. Whenever I see threads saying "how do I redpill my girlfriend/family" I have no idea why they would they do that. Find a way to promote traditionalism if you can without ruining their innocence.

>>135089783
meanwhile at #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRy1B4t5YA
all about being a blown out roastie on the cock carousel

also, they arent men, they are boys

>>135111815
I agree though it is a very hard truth to accept. That is why you see people here running around with these fringe ideologies (those who are serious about natsoc & Ancap) thinking >>135099767 is going to end anytime soon.

>>135112139
>>135112360
I guess its more valuable if your in an actual position of influence (socially, economically, physically) but if your not its probably more of a cruel irony.

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>>135112658
Well, most elites know the truth and use it for exploitation. I shouldn't recommend a book I haven't finished, but the concept is a life guide for the redpilled.
https://www.amazon.com/Ride-Tiger-Survival-Manual-Aristocrats/dp/0892811250

>>135093356
Baseless assumptions
>/pol/ assumes people share their beliefs
Despite them believing other people shame said beliefs
>wants a dictatorship rather then doing it democratically
>ideas so good they have to be forced :^)

>>135093418
Jordan Peterson says clean your room. This video says don't clean your room if you don't feel like it.

They're pretty much as opposite as it gets.

>>135112844
Don't most people start with libertarianism?

>>135095287
>just accept any old tale dudeee
>nooo i didn't say that , accept my old grandfathers old tales :^)

>>135113098
Let me guess, you think democracy is the greatest invention ever? The vast majority of people are not capable of making such complex decisions. What the people want, and what they need are two different things. Just because people want open borders and degeneracy in Europe, does not mean it should be allowed.
>>135113238
I started with Fox News tier republican before libertarianism.

>>135113316
I guess it depends on who got you on the path and how. /new/ in 2011-2012 got me when everyone just happened to have a massive Ron Paul boner.

the multifaceted problems have multiple opponents tho since inherently peoples goals are different. The trick is how do you balance authority so that the selfish just don't exploit it.

>>135113316
>i know whats vest for you, just trust me :^)
>hitler, Stalin and (the joos)
Democracy is flawed , but its clearly better then the rest
Its should be applied as Intended, local- direct democracy
With a "just move if you dont like it here mentality" , would make for a system where the wannabe nazis and the anarchist could agree , As the nazis would get their ethno safespace and the anarchists would get their choice

>>135113952
the problem always comes back to what do you do about selfish assholes who became self aware?

>>135114056
The locals can make them move to a place where they accept them
Here democracis flaw becomes acceotable , mob rule
No one minds moving to the next town for a better life if they are being social punished in this town for their egoim

>>135092762
If the west falls it will be ground into the dirt by our rivals.

Nihilism only value destroying thing is the religion aspect. I prescribe to be a Nihilist to further my body and mind (So when we finally do rise again I can serve with my brothers). Nihilism is a pure German ideology that was twisted by scummy millennials and their PC BS.

>>135113654
Feudalism did have noblesse oblige (which was not practiced always, but the idea is great) and if that idea is truly conceptualized (if you are in a higher position, you have a duty to care), I believe the problem will be much less likely to occur. This is why faith is essential for a successful Western Society. The flaw of Whites is that we build the best societies, and tear them down from within (Rome, US, former Western European world empires).

>>135114200
Democracy leads to tyranny of the majority and is VERY susceptible to exploitation. It is not hard to get 50% of people behind something with universal suffrage. If you are American, even our founding fathers realized this. They tried to prevent mob rule by only having landowning men (those with wits) the right to vote.

That is why we're a Republic and follow the Constitution. (Most of the time.)

>>135090313
Holy shit, you can't be this retarded.

>>135114442
>>135114299
>>135114200
I mean that's all well and good but I guess it comes down to mechanics of a system. Whichever over reaching ruling group is in charge needs some sort of inherent motivation to not just enslave everyone while at the same time not allow for complete dangerous anarchy. Theoretically a lot of modern democracies try to have checks and balances but many of them are pretty shit.

>>135114442

Any community can choose their Shitty standards for democracy, and dictatorship if they want

I for one prefer to be ruled by the majoty of sheeps rather then a strict dictator or a group of rich white men. The reason is that im living with the rest of my brothers and sisters in this community , no with some centralized power hundreds of miles away , if my interest would't aline with the community i could move,which is freedom to choose . good luck being free in a centralized government where mr Stalin or hitler choose for you , or those who are ((smart))

>implying /pol/ care about logic or freedom

>>135114723
Democracy is a shit system designed to give the slaves an illusion of freedom. For this hypothetical society to work, government would have to be completely benevolent. The system would have to be some system of republic. Said system would have to be made up of PROVEN pillars of the community, chosen from a pool, and rotated consistently in my opinion. The problem would be ensuring benevolence. That is an answer I have not thought of yet.

>>135114679
not an argument
back to school boy

>>135114887
>Group of rich white men
Then get out of white countries?? Where did I say I am a communist or national socialist? Both republics and dictatorships have their benefits and drawbacks. This is why Rome lasted as long as it did before crumbling under immigration and degeneracy.

>>135114972
honeslty i feel like its only a matter of time before we entrust ai first to help determine our leaders then eventually determine our rule to the extent rules are based on ai recommendation.

>>135115080

>if you aren't happy with the state of the country get out
Great advice , half of /pol/ has to move

Freedom is the ability to choose , and in a decentralized government thats what you get , autonomous communities where they can be as facist; as communist or whatever they think works, while you can move from one community to the other if you dislike the rules. A general government for all makes no sense, why should city people have a say for what farmers are doing?

They have diffrent lives , isn't that the idea behind ethno safespaces too? I think this is a point of agreement between Liberterians and authorotarians

Too bad the authoritarians always want more, they would love to be slaves for a leader or leaders who have not their best interest in mind, kinda like your critq of the current use of democracy. Its supposed to be local and direct in order to fix it

The closing of the american mind. Go read it.

Nihilism has it's trappings but when done right is a powerful tool for success in life.

Also, this:
http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/prozak/the_first_lecture/

>>135115547
Lolbertarian and a nonwhite!!!!! Absolute freedom does not really work in White countries (got us into this shitshow we are in). Also a big part of true conservatism is nation & culture. So I don't think Balkanizing nations with hundreds/thousands of years of history is going to work as one place will get nationalist and want to unite their people (reunification of Germany in 19th century).

>>135115547
I mean the modern technologies and commodities can't exist on such local levels anymore. It takes scale and mini governments (corporations) to even make simple modern technologies exist. Hell an electric toaster takes a fuckton of infrastructure to make, based on resource acquisition alone. How do we have our cake (technology thanks to scale) and eat it too (not live in fear of the god mode ruling class)?

>>135090313
HAHA nietzche is hard to understand. It's easier to watch a 5 minute video to explain it for me. :D

>>135116102
It would not work, blood runs thicker than ideology. You could not expect to split France into five different countries based on government and not expect there to be a unification in the future.

>>135115905
Well im sure you will be the leader and tell everyone how its done corretly, if not, lets hope we have better luck then last time with hitler and Stalin :)

I dont think there is any point in trying to ((save)) people who dont wanne be saved
Freedom is messy and scary for most, but humanity always swings the pendulum that way when a dictatorship comes along

Maybe if whites had a bit higher iq we could go asian dictatorship style like north korea or chinas oligarchy style

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>>135089783
>optimistic nihilism
>critical theory

there may not be many of us who can call ourselves nihilistic, but these two are just limited versions of nihilism.

There is also my own, absurdism. Or just nihilism without any attachements, as close to the zero as possible.

But every time some person uses my dogma, they end up completely abusing it. Fucking faggots, fuck off nihilism...reeeeeeeeeeee

>>135089783
Nihilism is ok as a platform for reaching for your new, definitive values. Is the place where the weak go for hedonism and the rest go for radical ideals. Be radical, be absolute.

>>135116414
Since this debate is going nowhere, I can shitpost too. You uppity shitskins come to white countries on white inventions, speak our languages, participate in our societies, and complain when we do not adapt to our ways. So I think it is safe to say, I do not value your opinion. You do not understand wishing to fix a community obviously because instead of fixing whatever one you came from, you take the easy route and come to white countries.
>Why would you care about people who do not want to be saved
Why should a parent care about their kid who is going down the degenerate path if they do not want saved? The family is the microcosm of the nation. If you are hispanic, I thought your people understood that.