Explain this bullshit, /pol/. Wasn't this country founded

>>135088164
>separation of Church and State
Wouldn't worshiping the state be the opposite of that?

Separation of church and state does not mean you aren't allowed to be religious while in the whitehouse.

>>135088164
It is one of the most basic principles of our country that we get our rights from God (some higher power) not the government. Or else we become fucking Sweden.

>>135088164
Here is the explanation: Government = Bad; God = Good.

hes talking about money god is money

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State

NOPE

L2history shariablue faggot or i'll kill you.

>>135088164
>In God We Trust
>one nation, under God

>>135089336
>sharia
you're the only sharia faggot here

There are no theocratic laws dingus.

Trump can say whatever the fuck he wants. There's a difference between having a spiritual nation and a secular one.

Marxists wanted to eliminate all of it. But they recently latched into Muslims because it's a hot selling point against Trump.

>>135089474
>random phrases added in the 60s to attack le commies XD
>"see we're a christian nation!"

are all trumpshills this fucking stupid?

because islamophobia is 100% justified

>>135088674 OP isn't concerned with Trump saying we don't worship the government;he's concerned with Trump saying we worship God,a statement that threatens the separation of church and state.Not everyone worships god anyway so at the least it's a falsehood.

>>135088164
>Explain this bullshit, /pol/.
You're a heathen that should burn at the stake.

>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
No, it wasn't you faggot.

>Why is Trump virtue signaling the christfags?
Because he knows we're going to heaven while godless trannies like you are going to hell.

>muh separation of church and state
Oh sweetie, if only that term meant what you wanted it to.

>>135089823
>a statement that threatens the separation of church and state.
Shut up. No it doesn't.

>Not everyone worships god anyway
So what? Godless atheists shouldn't be catered to.

It was founded by white men with good moral character with god given rights. No niggers chinks or non white spics

>>135089474
>congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion
>the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

I'm fine with not worshiping government, but I'd rather not be Israel/Saudi Arabia/medieval Europe either.

>>135090011
>Shut up. No it doesn't.
yes it does cupcake

>>135090148
>yes it does cupcake
Fuck of you satan worshiping UN faggot.

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>>135088164
>MUH SEPARATION OF GOD AND STATE, HURR DURR CHRISTFAGS
Kindly eat shit directly from the assumption of the same trannies you so support OP. Remember to Sage these Reddit-tier threads Anons.

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>>135088164
He worships the God of the niggers, greed.

>>135090339
Christianity = jew religion

>>135090011
>shut up no it doesnt
nice argument

>so what? godless atheists shouldnt be catered to
neither should Christians. Leave religion out of it.

>>135088164

No. Do some fucking research.

>>135088164
Libtard doesn't understand what h said is exactly what desperation of church and state means

>>135088164

It's a smoke screen to get liberal jaws flapping over nothing while the real business gets done.
Same deal with the Tranban.

>>135090143
>but I'd rather not be Israel/Saudi Arabia/medieval Europe either.
Was the formation of the US an israel country, you idiot?

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>>135088164
TOPKEK your president believes in magic

>>135090453
Which is why the kikes killed Christ, right? Fuck off divide and conquer fag.

SAGE
A
G
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>>135090815
the kikes killed christ because he was a naughty kike

>>135088164
So... You think we should worship the government?

>>135090815
Jesus is a kike, thats why christfags love Israel

>>135090942
They don't even consider him to be an actual Jews. He especially isn't one in regards to the modern definition. They also consider the trinity to be a form of polytheism, and believe the teachings of Christ go against the old testament.

>>135090686
I think that question sounded different in your head, because it doesn't make sense as written.

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?

wrong faggot

the separation of church and state meme didn't even exist until that faggot Hugo Black made it up, in a supreme court decision that he fucking lost, but he was such a bitch ass faggot that he switched his vote so he could piss an moan even though the results of the case are the exact opposite of his opinion.

tl;dr: there is no separation of church and state

>>135090790
As do most of the people manipulating the world.

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>>135090942
>>135091059

>>135090457

It's not an argument, it's a fact. One you cannot disprove.

Autistically speaking, America needs a moral compass and Religion is a really good way to provide that.

>>135091100
>blah blah blah worship this dead kike on a stick
no

>>135089739
>Who are the puritans for 1000 Alex?

>>135091185
>I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

>Jefferson

Assfacts don't count

>>135091268
>yes goy!
>love the dirty jew jesus!
you stupid christcucks ruin every thread

>>135091185
Isn't the separation of church and state solely meant to prevent a church organization (The Church of England at the time) from imposing taxes onto the country.

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>>135088164
>1 post by this ID
>Will never return to explain where in the Constitution he saw "separation of church and state"
>will continue making "1 post by this ID" slide threads because selling your own people out is somehow more appealing than retaining your sovereignty

>>135090421
>Black man tries to look more white
>White man tries to not look so white
= White is better

>>135091415
>says the idiot who is from a country with a lot of Christian history
Idiots like you ruin every country.

>>135091572
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baby loves jesus
stupid christcuck

>>135091280
I don't really think the statement threatens the seperation of church and state, I just think it's a useless statement.

There's plenty of philosophical thought as to how morality can exist without religion. Relying on God to provide morality is dangerous when people interpret holy scripture in different ways. Morality shouldn't have to be drawn from tradition, you should be able to figure it out for yourself

>>135091381
>1st amendment for 2000 Alex
>DAILY DOUBLE

how can trump and his shills function when they are so fucking wrong all the time?

>muh 4chinz is a paganist board
>le christcuck XDDD

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>>135091400
>letter to a friend
>= the Constitution because Thomas Jefferson
>Presidents aren't allowed to make populist declarations of faith

Still not seeing how Trump is enforcing Christianity upon the people of the United States. You'll have to strawman harder.

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>>135091963
yes goy!

>>135088164
Thank you for another 1 post by this ID thread OP.

God is not a church or a religion. And for the record, the secularism of America was historically never so extensive as it is today, so maybe the founders weren't at all as secularly oriented as some think... and the truth is, they weren't.

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>>135091961
On what planet does the first amendment null the fact that Puritans existed?
Are you genuinely retarded?
Oh wait, you're suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, so of course you are.

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>>135091679
/leftycucks/ plz go

>>135089739
Acknowledging God doesn't pertain to any particular religion which is what the first amendment/separation of church and state mean. The two aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of early legislation and the Constitution contain the phrase "the year of our lord xxxx"
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/sl004.asp
The United States Constitution does mention God. In Article VII, the Constitution states:
>Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth....

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>>135092208
uh oh
he's breaking out that hat memes
we got a live one here
a real nigger for christ

>>135089823
>a statement that threatens the separation of church and state.

It actually doesn't. You're taking a very broad view of the Establishment Clause that just isn't true in this context.

>>135091975
I didn't say Trump was forcing Christianity on anyone. I was replying to the idea that Hugo Black made up the idea of separation of church and state.

I don't care what trump says about religion, but it's retarded to say that the idea of keeping religion out of politics wasn't here since the beginning.

Fun fact: "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence.

The Founders wanted to avoid a Church of America causing problems like what happened in Europe during the Wars of Religion. They never imagined that we'd have to deal with atheist fuckbois and Islamic terrorists on American soil.

>>135088164
>this is a real tweet
Holy shit it feels good being American. I am done with the Trump kike puppet meme

>>135092185
puritans didn't put the phrase "in god we trust" on money, and they didn't add "one nation under god" to the pledge. politicians did that during the cold war. because america is not, and has never been, a christian nation.

>>135092211
>Acknowledging God doesn't pertain to any particular religion
so mentioning god when referring to the date is irrelevant. it doesn't signify that the united states is a christian nation, because it never was and never will be.

you retards are literally proving my point for me

>Wasn't this country founded on that thing that had to be added later in an amendment?

>>135089739
>>random phrases added in the 60s to attack le commies XD
>>"see we're a christian nation!"

This is retarded. Politics and Christianity in the United States have been intertwined since the founding. Covenant Theory is the predecessor to the concept of a social contract in the context of the US Constitution.

Why don't you try giving "Religion and Politics in the United States" by Wald and Calhoun-Brown a browse.

>>135092441
Well, that's the beauty of America, isn't it? The free exchange of ideas. But until there is proactive movement to turn those ideas into laws, ideas are simply ideas, albeit legally protected. Therefore, Trump has done nothing wrong, and furthermore, his ideas and his freedom to speak about them are protected under the Constitution. Hugo Black, Jefferson, and all his illegitimate nigger children notwithstanding.

>>135088164
Come on anon it's only virtue signaling when it's things /pol/ doesn't like.

Why the fuck would you worship a government?

You follow the laws of a government, you don't worship them you retard

>>135088164
It was it was also founded by Christians In God We Trust motherfucker

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
no such thing. fabricated by leftists.

>>135091059
I hope when you burn in hell for this blasphemy that the devil carves this on your soul.

>>135088164
Praise the lord

>>135092817
Can I see that contract before I sign it?

>>135092755
That's not what I'm arguing. A belief in God and belonging to a certain religion are actually two different things. deism (which many of the Founders were) simply believe in a supreme being but don't do shit like study the Bible religiously or follow rituals, etc. The first amendment specially says establishment of religion which is a church and that's it.

>>135092890
someone's never heard of North Korea or The Soviet Union.

>>135092700

Actually, to clarify further, it probably wasn't even the Wars of Religion in totality, but specifically the Church of England and how they persecuted Catholics and more radical Protestants alike, as well as tumultuous events like the English Civil War and the Jacobite Uprisings.

But leave it to liberals to strip everything of historical context and pervert it to serve their ends.

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>>135088164
Trump isn't even religious, and what the fuck does his comment have to do with separation of church and state. He's clearly talking about citizens on an individual level.

People get triggered over the dumbest shit.

>>135092861
I'm all for free exchange of ideas. I didn't jump in this thread to bash Trump.

The tweet being in all caps is a bold choice, but the idea behind it is fine, even if I don't believe in God.

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>>135092755
>puritans didn't put the phrase "in god we trust" on money, and they didn't add "one nation under god" to the pledge.
No one contested this moron.
>"politicians did that during the cold war."
Okay..
>"because america is not, and has never been, a christian nation."
This is where you're wrong bud, just because you know a factoid of when something got written up doesn't make your wild ass claim true.
>Most of the world is largely religious
>"YEAH WELL THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED COMMON KNOWLEDGE REALLY LONG AGO HAD TO BE WRITTEN DOWN WITHIN THE LAST 60 YEARS SO IT WASN'T REALLY COMMON KNOWLEDGE"
You're a complete simp.
I'm sure the quackers and puritans didn't exist nor was america mostly christian because some retarded leftist knew a cold war factoid.

>>135092755
>America is not a Christian nation
History and most Americans disagree with you.

>>135089071
Fuck semitic gods.
The higher power is the Nordic Race

>>135088164
>separation of Church and State
Op is retarded - Christmas is a federal holiday.

>>135090011
Better than Christcucks

>>135088164

Belief in God and divine providence are central to the foundation of our country. That said, the founders didn't want America to become a theocracy, hence the first amendment "congress shall make no law respecting an establisment of religion"

Do you feel that Trump's tweet violated that?

>>135092755
>because america is not, and has never been, a christian nation.

The US has been pretty strongly a Protestant Christian nation. Keep in mind that a Nation (people) and a State (government) are not the same thing. It's only been ~60 years since being a Catholic in politics meant a significant barrier to entry. And it's only been in the last two decades or so that we've had a SCOTUS completely absent of Protestant Christians. Until relatively recently the SCOTUS was dominated by Protestant Christians with a token Jewish or Catholic Associate Justice.

>>135093057
>Can I see that contract before I sign it?

You're welcome to leave the United States and renounce your US citizenship. Your remaining in the US is an implied agreement to the social contract.

>>135088164
I'm glad he said it, and I'm even more glad it pisses you off.

Stay mad lol.

>>135093310
And Hanukah is celebrated at the White House. They even light a giant menorah in the nation's capitol every year.

>>135090815
Doesn't mean its not semitic. Jesus was a semite

>>135090815
this

>>135088164
kill yourself you dumb fedora

>>135091100

>be a good person
>Goes against the Jewish teachings

sounds about right

>>135088164
We are free to choose for ourselves.
We must be good people, or we will choose wicked things.
If we worship money, we will be corrupt.
If we worship government, we will create Big Brother.
If we worship God, we will be free.

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>>135092817
Best post itt. Lawfag, oldfag, or both, but definitely someone worth listening to on this subject.

>>135091268
I don't get it? You hate Jesus?

>>135093280
That's why they are all cucks, right?

>>135092019
How come most of our founders were deists than

>>135093279
History isn't really decided one way or the other. See: Treaty of Tripoli

>>135088164
Actually no it wasn't. The words "separation of church and state" are no where to be found in the constitution, additionally the first right in the bill of rights says "freedom of religion" apposed to "freedom from religion". It is quite easily argued that the founders intended our nation to be governed with an inherent belief in god present. There is evidence of this in the national motto of the United States which is "In God We Trust" (printed on all US currency). One of the most damning pieces of evidence Is perhaps in our second president's (john adam) farewell address to congress where he hopes that "true religion" will flourish in the new country and calls down the blessings of almighty god.

>>135092817
and the constitution and all american laws are based on english common law, which is somewhat inspired by roman law. so by your logic we should all worship jupiter. you are a complete fucking idiot.

>>135093078
>>135093270
>"a lot of americans are christian therefore america is a christian nation!"

no, that is not how it works you dumb fucks. our laws are not based on the bible. our laws on secular. the bible cannot be used as the basis for law today. the constitution is secular, despite one irrelevant mention of god.

the united states is a secular country. nothing you say, do, or think will change that.

>>135093279
the facts, the law, and the constitution agree with me. your feelings and emotions are irrelevant kid.

>>135091815
Objective morality is impossible without divine mandate, and subjective morality is no morality at all.

Therefore, it is actually impossible to be moral without God (or at least the divine).

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>>135093171
>Being against a semitic religion is liberal
HAHAHAHAHA
>>135093174
"There I said god. Now you evangelicals and mormons are going to vote for me next election, right?"

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Wait a minute, people really believe in god?

Only niggers and two digit IQ praise this meme.

>>135093655
The nordic race includes people having origins in Britain, Ireland, Germany, Netherlands and Scandinavia. You are confusing it with the nordic council.

>>135093808
>and the constitution and all american laws are based on english common law,

>which is somewhat inspired by roman law

Is this your final answer?

>you are a complete fucking idiot.

How ironic.

>>135088164
Yes there is a separation of Church and State.

However, that does not mean the president can't say that the nation believes in God. That is a first amendment right.

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>>135092404
>bongistan
>has any say in ethnicity
top jej

>>135093745
"The contemporaneous purpose of Article 11 was to make clear that the United States was a secular state[12] and to reassure the Muslims that the agreement was not with an extension of earlier Christian nations that took part in the Crusades.[13]"
Sounds to me like they were saying they were Christian, but weren't trying to be Zealots about it, just my interpretation though considering the early US had 2 massive groups of christians noted in the population and no other religions even got any mention.

>>135088164
>Congress shall make no law
sounds like we're fine then

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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>>135093583
>If we worship God, we will be free.
>not work
Hi, Reddit.

>>135093171
That is why. It's why the Puritans fled England for America, as well as the Quakers and Amish. Maryland was pretty much the Catholic safe haven in those days.

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This country was also founded on Anglo ethnonationalism, apparently things change.

>>135093808
>the united states is a secular country. nothing you say, do, or think will change that.

Except that you're, wrongly, using the words nation (people) and state (government) interchangeably.

>>135093745
>piece of paper we gave to some dumb pirate sandniggers actually means something
All those Indian treaties we made were really ironclad too.

>>135093808
Our entire moral system is rooted in Christianity, and our legal system is an outgrowth of our moral system. That's why it's illegal to honor kill in America but not in Saudi Arabia. Secularism means nothing, as secularism is not a system of morality.

>>135089823
>he's concerned with Trump saying we worship God
what else are you going to worship? BBC? Pick your God and worship - but your options exclude Gov

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>>135093808
>He took the argument to "Christian nation" being literal and is now trying to back out of saying American wasn't dominated by Christianity.
God damn faggot, you're just going to keep retreating until you give up your entire original point so you can claim victory by saying the white house ins't a church, you're an actual retard.

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>>135093997
>Canadian
>"There is no God"
Checks out.

>>135088674
we the people not we the government.

>>135093826
Why is subjective morality not morality? And what if there is no objective morality? You've drawn a conclusion from axioms which hold no water.

You should look into the categorical imperative. Philosophy is by no means a science, but there is very little agreement on what constitutes morality.

I do my best to be a good person, God or no God. Not to mention, some Christian/Jewish laws definitely no longer apply, and have little to do with morality.

>>135094152
Puritans and Amish were Muslim-tier nutjobs. Not exactly people we want to model our nation after. They had witch trials. Thats nigger tier these days
>>135094164
Yep. So keep Nordicism but leave religion out of it

>>135094152
The Roundheads fled England because they got payback for the bullshit they pulled during their reign of terror.

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>>135088164
This country was not founded on separation of church amd state! Not mentioned in the Constitution at all!

>>135088164 because it's a Christian Nation

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
What? Since when?

>>135091429

Yes, but leftists have no knowledge of history and a severe hatred of truth.

>>135088164
God doesn't necessarily mean the judeo-christian God. It can mean whatever deity or higher power you believe in.

>>135094360
>Why is subjective morality not morality?
Because morality requires a standard and subjective morality has no standard therefore is not morality at all.

>>135094071
It's up for interpretation. All I'm saying is that there are documents to suggest both ways: founded Christian vs. secular

>>135094467
Motherfucker it's the 1st Amendment!

>>135094386
that was the result of ergot poisoning.

/baka

>>135094612
>Motherfucker it's the 1st Amendment!

Which clause are you addressing exactly? Establishment Clause or Free Exercise Clause?

Which of these do you think the tweet in the OP violated?

>>135091059
Christfags love Israel because of some End-Times bullshit about rebuilding the temple and sending all the Jews back so Jebus comes back or something.

>>135088884
MFW almost quints

>>135094768

Israel has to be a nation again before Jesus comes back. aside from that the whole judeo-christian concept is a recent invention.

>>135094559
>categorical imperative

If there is no God, then there is no categorical standard. Human standards are necessarily acceptable standards, as they're the only ones confirmed to exist. I'd rather have human morality than none.

>>135089823
>>135089857
>Anonymous (ID: sRdfxuHs)
>07/26/17(Wed)23:22:13 No.135089823 Anonymous (ID: sRdfxuHs) 07/26/17(Wed)20:22:13 No.135089823>>135090011 >>135092418 >>135094278>>135088674 OP isn't concerned with Trump saying we don't worship the government;he's concerned with Trump saying we worship God,a statement that threatens the separation of church and state.Not everyone worships god anyway so at the least it's a falsehood.Anonymous (ID: p/4WcWC5)
>07/26/17(Wed)23:22:33 No.135089857 Anonymous (ID: p/4WcWC5) 07/26/17(Wed)20:22:33 No.135089857>>135088164(OP)
this is so won g ibeign.

>>135088164
The constitution mentions God as having power over government, homo.

>>135094612
Freedom of religion is not the same as separation of church and state. I explained above
>>135093807

>>135093808
Of course we wouldn't have laws from the Old Testament cause Christians aren't supposed to follow that. Christ's teachings are directly in line with a lot of American policy. It's why adultery was historically illegal in many states and there was school prayer until liberal cucks fucked things up. Blue laws have been ruled constitutional time and time again too.

>>135088164
Protestantism is at the root of America's inception, part of its core ideology. Not to be confused with Catholicism which regarded itself as the state for centuries.

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.1

Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.2

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.3

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!4

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.5

-John Adams (Works)

Trump has tapped into this long-lost patriotism that resonates with so many of his followers.

>>135094022
so you admit you are wrong. good.

the laws of the united states are secular, and the united states is a secular country. your feelings and stupidity do not change that.

>>135094165
the constitution and the laws of the united states are secular. whether there are a lot of christians in the country or not is irrelevent. they live under secular law.

>>135094197
adultery is one of the 10 commandments, yet its perfectly legal in the united states because the 1st amendment gives the freedom of association. when the secular constitution clashes with the bible, the secular constitution wins. every single time. this is also why anti-sodomy and anti-miscegenation laws were ruled unconstitutional, even though christians fought for them. killing people is illegal not because christians think it is wrong, but because you are denying someone of their freedoms and right to live.

>>135094307
why would i retreat when i am right? you retards are the ones moving the goalposts because you lost to me. i am right, and you are wrong. america is a secular country, and has never been a christian country.

>>135094768
>Christfags love Israel because of some End-Times bullshit

That's certainly true for the most hard core of Evangelical Protestants, but the Israel Lobby (e.g. AIPAC) is much more to blame for political support of Israel.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

>>135094980
What the fuck happened to your post?

>>135095080
quote?

>>135091429

No it literally means that the church cannot have any governmental power , america is founded by people who escaped the prosecution of the catholic church , they said never again , and this is what separation between church and state means.

>>135088164
Why are atheists so easily-triggered? Damn.

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>>135094432

>>135094607
The Founding Fathers were Freemasons and Freemasonry is anti-Christian.

>>135088164
>separation of Church and State

Religion != church. Church is an organization.

>>135095216
Are you fucking serious, dude?

>>135095358
Masonry isn't anti-Christian, anon. It simply isn't a religion and makes no claim to be.

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>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
No, it was founded on and by protestant Christians, separation of church and state was 2 centuries later faggot.

>>135095333
Fuck me, that's cringey as shit. Nice trips

>>135088164
Go back to r/atheism faggot

>>135092754
>Not a Kike Puppet
>Literally tweeting about how hes apart of a semitic kike religion

>>135093835
>"There I said god. Now you evangelicals and mormons are going to vote for me next election, right?"
And? Infinitely better than
>There, I said, "white privilege!" Now you liberal arts majors, sociologists, college professors, and nignogs are going to vote for me next election, right?

His comment has nothing to do with the mingling of church and state unless you are going to imply that religious individuals can't hold office which is retarded and doesn't really even apply to Trump.

>>135095580
Yes. There is no point in the US constitution that says god has power over government. The only mentions of God in the constitution are "in the year of our lord xxxx." Are you thinking of a different document?

>>135095165
>so you admit you are wrong.

You do realize that the English legal system that would become English Common Law was a contemporary to Roman Civic Law, correct?

Perhaps you also know the difference between English Common Law and the much more Rome influenced Continental or Civil Law system?

>and the united states is a secular country.

Here you go incorrectly using the incorrect word when what you actually mean to use is state.

A nation is a people, a country is the land on which the people live, a state is the government, made up of elected leadership and bureaucratic institutions, which governs the people.

Language is important you fucking mongoloid.

>>135095165
>they live under secular law.

And yet there exist opposing doctrines on 1st Amendment cases, Separatism and Accomodationism. And both are important to defend not only against Establishment but also to protect Free Exercise, and many SCOTUS decisions disagree with your black and white interpretation.

>>135093604
>Do you hate (((Jesus)))
yes

>>135088164
I don't even agree with this tweet but I like it because it makes fedoras so butthurt.

>>135093807
Fuck off semite worshipping kike

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
No.
That statement comes from a private letter that was written by Thomas Jefferson

>>135095358

There was nothing wrong with freemasonry until it got corrupted by the jews and or jesuits

>>135095791
The bill of rights enumerates inalienable rights as defined by the declaration of independence stupid fuckwit.

>>135095781
How is any of this proving a point. Both of those statements are retarded. You just helped prove my point actually
>>135095837
Mulatto Catholic. Catholics aren't even human, they are at best poo-tier

well a lot of people in america do worship god and im not just talking about christians and thats why trump didn't specify the biblical god, just 'the' god

>>135096163
I'm not catholic tho.

>>135095917
>semite worshipping kike
like it or not pagfag you are going to need christains if you want to beat the jews, know why? Because there is a shit load of them. The majority of the white race is Christian. Are you going to kill us all? And if you are why shouldn't we just kill you pagfags first, then move onto the kikes and niggers.

>>135095917
I thought atheists were supposed to have amazing, irrefutable arguments...

>>135096133
>Declaration II: Electric Boogaloo
Kek. No.

God is not the church

>>135096289
Alright you're a mulatto nigger. Much better

>>135096403
You can act like a dumb nigger all you want, moron.

>>135096392
>>135096399
If we are going to beat the jews we are going to need the christians to give up there religion. Cant beat the people while simultaneously worshipping (((their))) god

>>135096133
It literally doesn't. You can check this yourself by reading it. The bill of rights enumerates rights, but never make a reference to the declaration, or even uses the words "inalienable rights."

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>>135093808
Absolutely retarded, you just said that because one thing came after another thing that came after another thing, the latter thing is the same thing as the first thing.

Are you medically retarded? Are you getting neetbux for this shit??

>>135096392
If you don't even take the universalist claims of Christianity seriously enough not to advocate extermination, why should fedoralords take your faith seriously, anon?

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>>135096506

>>135095821
your semantic bullshit isn't going to work

>"america is a christian country because a lot of the people are christians"

you are moving the goal posts because you know you are wrong. calling a country a "christian country" or an "islamic country" or a "jewish country" or whatever does not mean "a plurality of the people are members of ____ religion". it means the government is at least partially theocratic, and that country's religion can, in and of itself, be the basis for law.

>"you are using 'country' when you mean 'state'!"

no, you are trying to change the meaning of the phrase "christian country" because you know the united states doesn't meet that definition.

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>>135088164

As an atheist, I'm ok with this.

Worship of gov't is much worse than of a deity.

Next question.

>>135096704
that is the argument you retards put forward

and no, unlike christians, i actually have a job and pay taxes

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
No.

It was however founded as a land exclusively for whites.

>>135096789
You only believe in god because your country is so shitty that you have to dream about a fantasy land where you will be happy after you inevitably reach your (hopefully painful) death

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>>135096163
So, after this massive display of autism, I decided to highlight you, go back, read your posts, and attempt to find a point, but all I found was salty fedora-tier whining. I don't think you have a point, but if you did, I really don't give a shit.

All he said was people in the U.S. worship [God] before government. Maybe [God] is Odin. Does that soothe your autism? You sound as bad as a SJW. Take your meds or go whine on r/atheism.

The president has a right to free speech. That's why this is so fun. As long as god is out of policy then whatevs. Or maybe he is alluding to something else...

>>135096693
What do you think those amendments are protecting? Or did they suddenly forget why they bucked British rule? Fucking christ.

>>135089823

It depends what you define as god. If you love BBC, you can define it as God and worship it all you want.

>>135096839
>your semantic bullshit isn't going to work

Words actually do mean something, and those meanings are important you moron.

>you are moving the goal posts because you know you are wrong.

I'm not moving any goal posts, I've very plainly stated my point. You've continued to demonstrate your gross ignorance of not only the meaning of the words you're using but of history in general.

>calling a country a "christian country" or an "islamic country" or a "jewish country" or whatever does not mean "a plurality of the people are members of ____ religion".

That's exactly what it means. A country can be an Islamic Country and have a secular, or seemingly secular, government. That is literally what Egypt was under Nasser and is one of the important points of evolution for current Salafi Jihadism and Political Islam.

Just stop now before you make yourself look like even more of a fucking idiot.

>>135097225
I'm mad because the god was implied to be (((the monotheistic god))) from Semitic Religions

>>135088164
Founders of this country believed in God.
Founders then created a government that separates church and state.
Two different things OP.

>>135096904
This is the basis for the declaration and the bull of rights, the notion that people derived rights from a higher authority than man. Lots of retards in this thread can't into basic reason.

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>>135094740
>Which of these do you think the tweet in the OP violated?

Nice goal post moving. Was talking about separation of church and state, not Trumps idiot savant trolling tweet.

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>>135097451
that's what you inferred*

Was he pandering to religious people? Probably. Was he making a statement that implies church and state mingling or the superiority of Christians? No.

>>135097027
also this

>>135096671
>give up their religion
good fucking luck man. Besides the fact that the old church actually kicked the jews out of rome and treated them as heretics not to mention where they once again kicked them out in the Spanish inquisition, or when adolf hitler put them in camps also describing his movement as a Christian movement, you have the fact that many Christians would rather die than give up their religion and even more would rather kill.
>>135096746
Because it makes up the majority in almost all developed nations and thusly has the voting power to nuke the shit out of everyone else? Yeah that seems like a reason to take them fucking seriously.

>>135088164
Trump tweet:
>In America we don't worship government - we worship God! (moviecamera) [url] to Trump rally

what does he say in the video anon?
>and finally we believe, that family and faith, not government and bureaucracy, our the foundation or our society

This has EVERYTHING to do with church and state. Trump is signalling that it's about moral and family values, and that it's time to stop looking towards the authority of government to regulate society.

It's a totally Bannonist message.

>>135088164
Can you tell me what religion "God" is?

>>135097484
Locke certainly helped inspire the text of both the Declaration and the Constitution, but his words are not often referenced in the latter directly.

>>135097569
>Was talking about separation of church and state

Ok, then what do you think exactly is a violation of "separation of church and state" here?

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>>135097665
>>135097469
I personally dont really care. The main reason I'm mad is that people will use this to portray all right wingers as christians and that will upset me

>>135088164
Too get (you)'s

>>135095119
>"In God We Trust" (printed on all US currency)

Wasn't printed on paper currency until 1957. Nice try.

>>135097027
>kill off native population
GUISE IT'S FOR WHITES NOW

>>135097689
>when adolf hitler put them in camps also describing his movement as a Christian movement
National Socialism was not a christian movement. That was just some bullshit that Hitler made up to promote his "positive christianity" in favor of Catholicism.

>>135093102
Which are examples of what NOT to do

>>135097800
Basic human rights are inalienable, given by a higher authority. The bill of rights only codifies them. Otherwise they could be taken away. That's the philosophy that America was built on. I've never seen anybody seriously argue differently before this thread.

>>135095707
>Go back to r/atheism faggot
Hell no. That is a left wing cucked place that tries to say that Hitler and Himmler were christian theocrats. Thats just downright offensive to me

>>135088164
separation of church and state is a kike meme that appears nowhere in the constitution
sage this faggot

>>135090421
1st Mulatto - he's half white

>>135097939
Native people were already going to war with each other over land and resources. We just sped up the process.

>>135097297
>Words actually do mean something, and those meanings are important you moron

words mean something to me and nothing to you. you are trying to redefine the words "religious country" because the actual definition doesn't fit your incorrect worldview.

>I'm not moving any goal posts
you already did, repeatedly. i've proven you wrong multiple times, and you are now trying to claim something completely different.

>That's exactly what it means. A country can be an Islamic Country and have a secular, or seemingly secular, government.
no, it cannot. a country is not an "islamic country" unless the laws are guided by and based on islam. india is ~80% hindu, yet because india's constiution and laws are not based on hinduism, india is secular. japan is majority shinto and buddhist, but those religions do not influence its laws, therefore it is secular.

you are trying to redefine the phrase "religious country" because you know you are wrong.

>>135088164
he can say whatever he wants on Twitter, it's only a vilation of the separation of church and state if he tries to pass a law mandating such

>>135098217
Hitler was pretty benign compared to atheist rulers. We can handle taking Hitler. Especially since the holocaust didn't really happen.

But what if we don't worship god? Where do we fit in Trump's version of America?

>>135098241
>"i-i-it isn't explicitly written in the constitution therefore it doesn't exist!"

it is derived from the first amendment. by your retard shill logic, there is no right to privacy or to own property since those aren't explicitly written in the constitution either. but actual americans know that both are derived from the fourth amendment and thus actually exist.

>>135097860
Go ahead and try and argue the U.S. isn't built on a separation of Church and State.

Atheist/religious fags dont realize God is legal term used to tell Kings to go suck pleb cock and that freedom is inherent. Born with it, not a gift from your rich uncle.

>>135098425
>i've proven you wrong multiple times

Lol beating your face on the keyboard yelling the same argument continuously is not proving anything except that you're out of your depth in this discussion.

>you already did, repeatedly.

Actually, I didn't. That you don't understand the meaning of words is not my fault, it's yours.

> a country is not an "islamic country" unless the laws are guided by and based on islam.

This is wrong and you should feel bad for being an idiot. Because this is exactly the conflict that has a direct lineage to the current international Jihadist movement. i.e. the Islamic nation of Egypt being led by a secular, or seemingly secular, government under Abdel Nasser and his Nasserism and Pan-Arabism which came into direct conflict with the political Islam of the Muslim Brotherhood after the Free Officers Coup. The justification for this conflict being that the leading of an Islamic nation comprised majorly of Muslim citizens can not by justly governed by a secular government inspired by Western liberal democratic philosophy.

>>135098742
>Go ahead and try and argue the U.S. isn't built on a separation of Church and State.

What exactly do you mean by this argument? Because religion and US politics have had a significant relationship since 1789.

If you're arguing that GENERALLY the state has governed in a secular manner, there is no argument there. However, if you're arguing that there is hard, distinguishable and consistent line that is defined as the separating point between "Church and State" then you need to actually do some reading about how the judiciary has historically handled 1st Amendment cases arguing issues of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause.

>>135088164
>Why is Trump virtue signaling the christfags?

Didn't pay attention during the election?

Christfags used to run the GOP. They got sidelined by the Tea Party during the Obama years, despite being a significant fraction of the law GOP membership.

Trump, facing basically no support from GOP establishment, began licking the ass of the Christian Conservative movement. Trump won their loyalty because no one else would favor them and he will continue to lick their asses until he gets reelected.

It's not exactly 4D chess, grasshopper.

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>>135099603
>on a board full of traps, lolberts, and atheists who voted Trump
>"oh honhonhon, I have his formula figured out"
Stfu and bag my groceries, retard.

>>135088164
In God We Trust, it is right on our money. The United States of America, regardless of what your poorly educated ill informed atheist moron friends tell you, was founded as a white Christian country. You go to court, you take an oath, you swear in with your hand on what book? The Bible. Even trump was sworn in as president, with his hand on a Christian Bible. You are free to believe what you want here, that's the beautiful thing, but all of our laws are Christian fundamentals as well; though shall not kill, steal, etc...

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>>135088164
its the code we've all been waiting for
DEUS VULT!

>>135099476
>However, if you're arguing that there is hard, distinguishable and consistent line

If you're so learned, you know damn well that's a falsification.

But, you have no examples either except for a bunch of cases rejecting the bible from public school.

>>135099476
why should i change what i say when i am still right and you are still wrong? you are trying to change the meaning of words because they don't fit your retarded worldview. i have already proven that you are wrong. i cited multiple examples in my last post, and you ignored them because you can't accept the fact that you are wrong.

>This is wrong
nope. it's clear that you have given up on the truth, and that you cannot handle basic facts and logic. go re-read my last post. you can't argue with facts and reality, so you choose to ignore them.

>egypt under nasser
this is proof that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are incapable of critical thought. you outright state that the government is secular, but that it conflicted with religious people. but nasser did not base the laws of egypt on islam, which made it a secular country. YOU ADMIT THAT I AM RIGHT, yet your weak, pathetic mind cannot accept the truth.

stop trying to redefine words. you said it yourself - words have meaning. the religion of the people does not define the religion of the country. period.

God bless Trump, and god bless America.

tfw have to lie and say I believe in God to fit in here

>>135097939
we bought this land fair and square.
also the natural rules and natural laws of this planet clearly dictate that the strongest and the ones who win in combat are the ones who own the land.

we bought this land and successfully defended it.
this land is the rightful territory of our ancestors, who clearly left it to their posterity.

The entire reason we didn't KEEP mexico after we kicked their asses is because we didn't want nonwhites in this country.

>>135098185
I agree with you. The Constitution states what the government may not under any circumstances do to its people. It doesn't carve out exceptions for the people, it tells the government to fuck off because the rights are more important. There still is scant actual textual reference to Locke in the document.

>>135100642
>But, you have no examples either except for a bunch of cases rejecting the bible from public school.

Actually there are many 1st Amendment cases that address the Establishment Clause or the Free Exercise Clause.

Reynolds v. U.S. 98 U.S. 1456 (1878)

Davis v. Beason 133 U.S. 333 (1898)

West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette 319 U.S. 124 (1943)

Engel v. Vitale 370 U.S. 421 (1962)

Lemon v. Kurtzman 403 U.S. 602 (1971)

Wisconsin v. Yoder 406 U.S. 205 (1972)

Heffron v. International Society for Krishna Consciousness 452 U.S. 640 (1989)

Church of the Lukumi Babal U Aye, Inc. v. City of Hialeah, Florida 91 U.S. 948 (1993)

Kiryas Joel School District v. Grumet 512 U.S. 637 (1994)


>>135100772
>i am still right and you are still wrong?

You have yet to demonstrate this.

>i cited multiple examples in my last post

Which failed to address the actual statement I've made.

> and that you are incapable of critical thought.

The irony is palpable.

>stop trying to redefine words.

These words aren't being "redefined". There is an actual difference in the meaning of the words nation, state, and country. Just because you're uneducated on the matter and you use these words interchangeably due to said ignorance doesn't change that.

> the religion of the people does not define the religion of the country.

Another demonstration of your retardedness. The religion of the nation does not preclude the state from governing in a secular manner nor does it mean that religion cannot be an influence on a secular, or seemingly secular, state.

Which is my point. That you are either willfully misunderstanding US history or you're ignorant of it concerning religion and US politics.

Which was my original statement in this thread.

Please read a fucking book instead of relying on talking points from your laymen friends who are also ignorant.

>>135101846

alright you other two faggots need not reply at this juncture
you have been thoroughly reamed

>>135088164
>Wasn't this country founded on separation of Church and State?
Yes, that's why we worship God, and not the government, dumbass.

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There is only one GOD and his name is Donald Trump.
Worship him with your lives.

>>135101846
>You have yet to demonstrate this
i demonstrated it multiple times, and you have repeatedly failed to contest my arguments. which is why you are resorting to your pathetic last-ditch effort of splitting hairs and trying to redefine terms.

>Which failed to address the actual statement I've made
you don't have a statement or argument anymore. i've dismantled them all. you are now simply trying to change the meaning of words to fit your retarded worldview.

>These words aren't being "redefined". There is an actual difference in the meaning of the words nation, state, and country.
not to a native english speaker there isn't. at least not in the way you are suggeting. no one would say that "country" refers exclusively to the beliefs of the people and has nothing to do with the government, which is what you are claiming.

and this now makes sense. you are not a native english speaker - you are a third world shitter using the confederate flag to larp as a trumpshill. this entire time i've been arguing semantics with a fucking third worlder, when i won the discussion on the merits an hour ago.

>The religion of the nation does not preclude the state from governing in a secular manner nor does it mean that religion cannot be an influence on a secular, or seemingly secular, state.
what does "nation" mean in your native language?

the religion of the people do not define the religion of the country. a religious people under a secular system of laws mean the country is secular. period. nothing you say, do, or think can change these facts.

>>135090148
You will die tomorrow.

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>>135088164

Marxism is destroying every community from the inside. We as western society must protect ourselves against marxist indoctrinations and Islam ideology. Those values tries to control people with fear, shame and violence. Crushing every form of 'The Self, The Individual. They see you nothing more then a slave or a nonbeliever. Because of absent of a better alternative is Christianity our only barrier to protect ourselves against marixsm and the Islam. Christianity can unite people together as a group with Christian values, values what the western society is build on. Without Christianity the western society as we know it would collapse and marxism and the Islam has room to take its place instead. Don't be foolish to think you can battle those ideologies alone with only believing in yourself. They are with many and you stand no chance against them and neither do you stand a chance against Christianity. Better join the fight now then beeing too late.

>>135103090
>i've dismantled them all

The delusion is real.

>not to a native english speaker there isn't. at least not in the way you are suggeting. no one would say that "country" refers exclusively to the beliefs of the people and has nothing to do with the government, which is what you are claiming.

I'm claiming no such thing. I'm stating that as these words are correctly used nation, country, and state refer to explicitly separate entities.

>and this now makes sense. you are not a native english speaker

Wrong. Native English speaker born in the Gunshine State. The difference is that I actually have an education while you are intellectually slumming it.

>what does "nation" mean in your native language?

In English, for those who aren't uneducated, a nation generally refers to a people, generally with a cohesive identity (ethnicity, religion, language etc.) which inhabit a geographical area, generally referred to as a country.

A state is the elected leadership and bureaucratic institutions which govern.

You would know this if you didn't have a primary school level grasp of the language, with accompanying grammar.

>when i won the discussion on the merits

Lol watching a little too much Law & Order I see.