Ancaps, Explain to me what happens if someone buys all the land

>>135042541
You get your recreational McNuke and point it at his house, then claim the land at one of the sides of your property.

>>135042948
How do I get my McNuke if I'm stuck?

>>135042541
A privatized police force would be on that in no time. That is a clear case.

>>135042541
Lol you're fucked, I guess you weren't as smart as the AnCap who trapped you.

>>135043109
What if I don't have a contract with a private police and can't sign one since I'm stuck?

>>135042541
Buy the land from him, easy

Unleash your patented Zyklon-B™ And gas his property, and use private police to invade his property and annex it.

>>135043109
No, he would have no such right. "Freedom of movement" is a meme. He's trapped, has to make a deal with the guy or violate nap and just leave.

>>135043360
Do you have a phone, a walkie talkie or the internet in this hypothesis?

>>135043559
Trapping someone like this is a violation of the nap.

>>135042541
Statists,
Explain to me what happens if the (((government))) claims ownership of your house and refuses to let you leave.

>>135043063
You call in your private fire department that you paid $49.99 for the bronze plan, that should be enough for them to deliver the McNuke to your door.

>>135042541

Exiting properties must be granted a free right of access to their land. New properties must negotiate access prior to purchase yet blocking such access can be prevented in court.

>>135043791
It's not entrapment, you're on your property and he is on his. You simply do not have a right to enter his property without consent.

>>135044081
If the person who bought the land around his house did it on purpose to trap him, then that violates the NAP and he has the full authority to murder him or hire someone to murder him.

>>135044081
If they deny you any variation of a deal for freedom of movement they violate the nap and will be dealt with.

>>135044081
He has the right to deny you consent, but he has no right to proactively stop you from entering his property. In other words, shooting someone who you have banned from being on your property is perfectly alright, but shooting someone for the sole reason that they were on your property violates the NAP.

>>135043884
>Exiting properties must be granted a free right of access to their land
>Enforced across millions of square miles.
So like...roads?

>>135044255
How do you prove the person bought it to trap him?

>>135042541
There is property law that prevents this. You are entitled to a thoroughfare. People try to sue over it all the time, but you cannot block a person from a road by purchasing the property.

>>135044359
are you saying i cant do what i want with my own property and let who i choose come and go?

stepping onto my land is a violation of the NAP

>>135042541
Look, it's very simple, faggot OP.

The ability to 'own' private property is a function of the ability feed pathetic non property owners.

Go ahead. Study history. If you're antying but retarded, you'll soon see that I am right.

>>135043844
The (((government))) respects your rights an lets you leave. If they don't the (((government))) gets replaced and the people install a new government.

>>135042541
How do countries surrounded by other countries survive...

>>135044696
no ones going through the trouble of installing a new government just because youre a retard

>>135044563
You trapping someone completely like this is the first violation of the nap. Thus comes down the privatized police force and makes sure a deal is made or the transgressor is dealt with.

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Real talk. I want to make a strategy AnCap game. What would be the major gameplay features of such a game?

>>135044504
Hire a private investigator

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>>135044359
You're wrong. I have no obligation to allow anyone access to my property. You would be the one initiating violence on me. I've have not used force against you.

Reddit crypto-liberal AnCaps have to go back

>>135044942
You have yet to show that I have violated your property rights. By denying you access to my property.

>>135042541
Use your Apache to fly over it, obviously. Although I guess you'd never be able to land anywhere else, since someone or other would have claimed all the clay.

Use the helicopter,and if you didnt have own one yet,just tell the other land owner to walk around his property,if he is a white man and you are white too he wont say no

Thats why we need a racial cleaning before we create ancapistan,even if that is against the NAP

>>135044696
They can just as easlily refuse to respect your rights and keep you there as long as they want. Nobody is starting a revolution over every dindu on house arrest.

If I invite a friend over to my house and we have an argument, what's stopping me from killing him and have to deal with no consequences? Remember: he was in my property.

Face it ancaps, without government, your system collapses at the most basic things.

>>135043844
Well done.
>>135044696
Typically the government just kills anyone who opposes them and millions more for good measure, see North Korea and China.

>>135043360
>What if I don't have a contract with a private police and can't sign one since I'm stuck?

>>135044942
maybe the man who has been entrapped should have bought the land around him first instead of stupidly letting himself become surrounded

who is paying for this private force?

>>135044975
>major gameplay features of such a game?
weaseling your way out of everything by mental gymnastics arguments, and monopoly kicked into overdrive

>>135042541
You were stupid enough to buy land without contractually securing access so you deserve this.
Hopefully you at least bought access insurance. Your insurer will negotiate with your neighbor and if that fails send a helicopter and remunerate you by a previously agreed upon amount.

>>135044975
Nuclear Deterrence

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>>135045418
Don't listen to that fag nazibro. He's a fake AnCap.

>>135045361
>Face it ancaps, without government, your system collapses at the most basic things.

Somehow if an ancap doesn't have ALL the answers for your dipshit questions, then all ancap free market principles get thrown out. LOL what a bunch of simple minds!

You all want central planning. You can't live without it cuz you are beta cucks who can't stand up for yourselves or live virtuous lives without someone telling them how to do it.

Go fuck yourselves. Why do you think there are "special" people who have all the answers? We have that now, it's called State power. You anti ancap fags love the State, just like the religious zealots love their Popes and priests, and blah, blah, blah...

You're doomed to a life of being told what to do, who to pay, and how much to pay them. Your "tell" is that you cannot imagine living free and being honest, hard working, and non-aggressive.

>>135045189
>oh shit I can't enter his private airspace

>>135045669
The private space ends at 500 feets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_flight_rules

>>135045669
Ancaps reject the ad coelum doctrine. You must homestead the airspace.

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>>135042541
Then did you something to piss off a rich person at which point you'd be BTFO in any economic situation.

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heres a twist

what if you had your property surrounded but were allowed thoroughfare at first, but then the owner of the land around you withdraws his consent to you stepping foot on his property?

>>135042541
Place a personal item in the area they plan on buying. Once they seize the land they are also seizing your property, thus violating the NAP. You can then respond with as much force as you deem necessary

>>135045543
Your ideology has been compromised by the same,even other races are more able to support it than whites.

Also 56%

>>135046109
The fuck are you implying? You know you're talking to an AnCap right?

>>135042541
Buying it implies somebody owned the land before him, so you're already trapped to begin with. Why did you buy that land?

>>135046343
>nazibro
>B-but anon,I-im an ancap

Yeah sure you fucking socialist scum

>>135046082
he would get shot for tresspassing to place his item there

>>135042541
I would kill them.
Hunt you down and tear you limb from limb.
Nothing shall remain
Not your memory or name.
It will be as though they never even lived.

>>135044444
so what difference does it make? all you would have to do is claim you banned him.

>>135046343
>AnCaps can't read
What a surprise.

>>135046520
Hi leftypol

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>>135042541
how can an IED be someones private property ? Like someone who lives in a a giant bomb or something ?

>>135046520
I'm here trying to spread the good word of property rights, and these fags spread their bullshit Stony reddit interpretations of non-aggression. I will not tolerate fake AnCaps, and that one was without a doubt full of shit.

>>135046539
Are you suggesting dishonesty, anon?

>>135042541

ah don't you worry about it goyim, we at JetPack™ Co. have got all your needs sorted, that'll be one million shekels

>>135044505
But OP is in Portugal. Basically the same as Africa when it comes to property law.

>>135046397
>implying different persons can't own different parts of the land

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>>135044501
>ancap
>roads
pick one

>>135047202
... What?

>>135047507
Made you look.

>>135047507
He's implying that your an uncivilised dindu incapable of respecting property rights.

>>135044081
He can deny him access to your property, but you can't deny him access to everything outside; you have to leave him some kind of passage.

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>>135042541
You attempt to negotiate to leave. If they persist, they have violated the NAP, and you may rightly shoot them and claim their property.

Practically speaking, this wouldn't happen often, and the community wouldn't stand for it when it did. Think about the media circus that would descend on any rich person who trapped a poor household into their home by such means. Even without the badass shoot-them-and-take-their-stuff resolution, it doesn't take much of a telltale heart for this property trapping scenario to be impossible in Ancapistan.

>>135047664
Have a (You) on me

>>135048274 >>135044081
...Jesus fucking Christ I should get some sleep.
He can deny you access to his terrain, but he can't deny you access to everything else; if he tried to do so by buying land around you, he'd legally trap you and he should leave you some kind of passage.

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Just build a bridge over the other persons land. As long as it's not touching his land what can he do to stop you?

>>135042541
This already happens in the United States. Usually, they'll offer you an easement to be able to access your property in exchange for a monetary fee. If they're trying to make you leave, you also have the option of moving out and selling the house at market, or if they're trying to get you to move out for a reason, they'll probably be willing to pay above market. If the guy is really just completely trying to be an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, then it's a violation of the NAP because he is taking the value of the property with access rights less the value of the property solely, and access rights are definitionally part of private property because you need a way to demarcate the borders, which are access points. Since he violated the NAP, you have a right to make a claim, because for gods sake we're not immediately going to resort to nukes for minor property disputes. You can still have a jury of peers and a court system created through binding convenants/contracts between parties for their own insurance & protection purposes. The key difference being it's voluntary and the ultimate sovereignty is concentrated in the property-owning individual.

>>135048538
"Everything else" is also private property. If "everybody else" welcomes you then you are always access. However this does not imply that you may use his property as your path, even if it is the only path.

You do not have a right to anyone's property but your own. That's that. As an AnCap I believe in ABSOLUTE property rights.

>>135049341
*Allowed access

>>135048538
>>135049341
Might I add that this is a retarded scenario, and that the guy around you would probably make a deal with you. But he is not obligated to do so.

>>135045870
Who says?

>>135048307
>they have violated the NAP

So?
There is nothing except the individual to enforce this.
Everything else is coercion.

The concept is hollow.

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>>135048942
like this?

>>135042541
>if someone buys all the land around my private property and literally doesn't let me get out.
He wasted a ton of money being a dick. However if he doesn't let you get out he is causing you harm, and potentially lethal harm at that, which breaks the NAP.

>>135043714
You need to have the right to access his air and radio space to send messages via cellphone or radio.

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>>135050048
>However if he doesn't let you get out he is causing you harm, and potentially lethal harm at that, which breaks the NAP.
Wait, so refusing to lower the price on some food to a starving person breaks the NAP?

>>135049881
He's a fake AnCap. Don't listen to that kike.

The nap is not law, it's ethics for when you should use violence.

>>135050048
Arguably he could charge a toll though, for safe passage across his property.

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>>135042541
You kill him. Is it that hard ?

>>135050374
>expecting people to follow ethics when there is no penalty for not doing so
kek

>>135052009
We expect people to murder people who steal and murder without being made to do so by some external force. Yes.

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>>135052201
>We expect people to murder people who steal
OK, how are you going to do that? Are you at home all the time to prevent theft? What's to stop others from ganging up on you? What if your definition of NAP is different from others, as is the case in this thread? What then?

>>135052577
I can't guarantee your safety like your fuhrer swears he can. It's simply an ethical statement.

As for who defends your property, you will either be able to defend it or it will be taken from you. Also the idea that without the state everyone will own land property is beyond ridiculous. You'll most likely live on someone else land. Only the strong will prosper. AnCap is the natural state of humanity, always was always will be.

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>>135054250
>Only the strong will prosper
AnCaps will die out then, and then some form of government will be made. A group is stronger than an individual, dumbfuck. You're setting yourself up to fail.

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>>135042541
Trespassing is not a crime.

Private property rights + freedom of movement.

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>>135052009
>Implying you wouldn't be moral without being made to do so.

>>135055172
>slavery
>pedophiles
>gays
Do these sound moral to you?

>>135054678
Like I said, the rogue individual property owner is a meme. Monarchies and fascist states will be and are a thing.

>>135055029
There's no such abstract "freedom of movement" I do not have "freedom of moving my fist into your face really fast"

The ridiculous concept is a violation of property rights.

Fake AnCaps are a detriment the moment without exception.

>>135042541
Buy an helicopter and get out. I doubt that road companies would sell their land in the first place.

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>>135055523
>Implying (you) would have gay child slaves

>>135054678

Here is the real fascism red pill that only deep web pill masters know. Warning Secret history knowledge is about to be revealed so please sit down before reading on:

Every fascist government which has assumed control of its host nation has brought unprecedented ruin to that nation's people. Fascist governments are the most corrupt and inefficient of all the modern formulations of government.

Fascists and fascist governments have never come about in accordance with their own merits and have always been puppet governments of the established neoliberal order. The rise of fascism came about with the rise of communism, as the neoliberal societies began their unending proxy war against communism.

Western governments imagined hitler as an ally who would defend europe against communism, and even the new york times sung his praises to endear him to the american people. Chaimberlain is remembered in history as an imcompetent coward who tried to appease hitler by history, but the truth is he was doing what his corporate masters (and some of the public) wanted at the time. Why did the west ultimately side with the soviet union against Hitler? Pure, unrivaled incompetence at strategy and global politics by the incompetent, corrupt, and worthless regime which Hitler led.

This paradigm is evident in battlegrounds the world over -- western neoliberal societies back far right / fascist uprisings in countries like spain, italy, korea, chile, cuba, iran, and so on. These fascsists are unfailing stooges who annihilate their nation's land its people, who are then easily exploited by the ruling elite of the neoliberals.

>>135056397
I like that meme, How do you think i redpilled my friend :^)

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>>135055925
>Asserts trespassing is not a crime, then adds 2 phrases together.

>Implies battery/assault/threats are freedom of movement.

>meme

People who strawman non-arguments

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>>135050038

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>>135042541

The funny thing is that these ANCAP memes are actually true if this shit were to ever be put into practice. Judaism unfettered.

>>135056654
You do not have a right to enter my property without my consent. Period. To suggest otherwise is to deny property rights. I don't care what Austin Peterson, or Bryan Caplan told you.

>>135042541

> What is an access easement.

>>135042541
its called an easement

dumbfuck

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>>135055590
>the rogue individual property owner is a meme
How so? Banks exist, are privately run, and own plenty of property. They do plenty of shady shit to get people locked in debt.
The Industrial Revolution had people abusing laws by price fixing. People can't be can't be trusted to "keep to themselves." Not everyone thinks how you do. Not everyone cares about being moral, especially in a hyper-individualistic society. Scammers and MegaCorp would practically own everything. You guys still can't agree on what would be covered under the NAP. To reiterate, you guys can't even agree on a right to defense, much less anything else. AnCaps even dodge questions earlier in the thread by saying "oh well, we don't have all the answers" then attack with fallacies. This happens in every single thread. Finish swallowing the redpill, government doesn't HAVE to be bad. There can be good government as well.
>>135056397
I wouldn't, but some people obviously fucking do. Shit, most pedophiles are Gay, and there have been cases were they adopt children just to fuck them.
>>135056513
>Every fascist government which has assumed control of its host nation has brought unprecedented ruin to that nation's people. Fascist governments are the most corrupt and inefficient of all the modern formulations of government.
citation needed. Hitler was doing nice and dandy until Poland started fucking with him and France and Britian took the chance to say "oy vey, Poland's being oppressed".

>>135057335
>The Industrial Revolution had people abusing the lack of laws by price fixing
fixed it

>>135043791
You can build a spaceship, land rights don't extend into space

>>135054678
AnCaps are just proto-monarchists.

>>135057857
They're feudalists. They want to be slaves.

>>135057921
Feudalism is more right wing than National (((Socialism)))

>>135057335
Yes but aristocracy is still the nature of successful property owners. Dictatorships only exist in theory. No one is at the will of one man These structures exist with the consent of the governed. The Private bank is run no differently than Hitler's Germany.

>>135057921
It is feudalism, and we will know the natural laws and you will be blinded by the zeal of a dead man.

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>>135057994
>using this fallacy every single time you guys lose
Predictable.

I know it's a troll thread but Jesus fucking Christ how do you not understand that some hypothetical libertarian world where everyone is 100% on their own only works under the exact same conditions as communism would work.

I.E. humans not being impulsively selfish creatures with desires that will always outpace the realities of the physical world. You guys are almost as bad as communists btw. Putting your idealism before real practical solutions.

>>135058302
>welfare state is right-wing
National Socialism is centrism at best

>>135042541
create a rocket proppeler that gets me to an altitude of 10.000 mt so i can escape his property

>>135058302
its not a fallacy. feudalism has been a tradition long before NatSoc.

>>135058076
>Dictatorships only exist in theory. No one is at the will of one man These structures exist with the consent of the governed. The Private bank is run no differently than Hitler's Germany.
Nice philosophical take. Too bad it's dead fucking wrong. Hitler legalized usury, something that the banks use quite frequently.
Dictatorships have happened you retard, and, believe it or not, they can be successful.
>>135058475
Is this your first day on /pol/ or something? Anyone who has been on here for more than a week can tell you it's extreme middle, leaning slightly right. We hate Communists because they don't allow private property. Other things below.
>>135054678

Trespass you dimbass

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>>135058859
>its not a fallacy. feudalism has been a tradition long before NatSoc.
Maybe it's a little outdated post Industrial Revolution, don't you think? That's like saying we should revert to tribal times because it's tradition aka, a fallacy.

>>135058867
So what, my argument is that Anarcho-capitalism is proto-feudalism meaning it's further to the right of National Socialism.

Nigger, you already live in a world where someone bought all the land around your property, it's called the state. How shit is it aye? Wouldn't it be lovely if it was decentralized or held by competing entities that use it far more effectively?

that would violate the NAP and you get to kill their family

>>135042541
>not flying across his land
You can only own what your feet can step on.
Can't step on the sky dipshit.

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>>135058867
>middle, leaning slightly right
you're authoritarian center-left at best. You don't respect private property. You only accept it when conforms to your idealism. Lets be clear here, National Socialism does not exist as the antithesis to communism but rather a more pragmatic competeing form of socialism. This makes you lean away from the far left because lets be honest here, only the right is capable of reason. Hitler, just like Mussolini and all the other fascists were inspired by socialism in their youth. It is the basis of the ideology.

>>135059256
>So what, my argument is that Anarcho-capitalism is proto-feudalism meaning it's further to the right of National Socialism.
So what? Being more individualistic somehow makes it better? I've explained multiple times how hyper-indivualism and hyper-capitalism aren't good.

>>135059243
> That's like saying we should revert to tribal times because it's tradition aka, a fallacy.
It's refreshing to see a NatSoc reveal his slimey jew-like nature of only pretending to be right-wing. What the fuck justifies your moral traditionalism then? No matter how much a NatSoc denies being a socialist, he still supports a welfare state which is degenerate by design.

>>135059243
>natsoc is "outdated" so we should all be liberals and let tyrone fuck our wives because its 2017
FAGGOT.

>>135059499
Have you heard about the concept of air space?

Or should I remind you one of the episodes with a helicopter before the Ruby Ridge started?

>>135043109
>That is a clear case.

A clear case of what?

>>135059887
he's a reddit tourist. don't engage him.

>>135059672
The grandest form of individualism is an empire in the service of an emperor.

>>135043318
>as smart as the AnCap who trapped you.

>Murrisharts consider this "smart".

>>135043791
>Trapping someone like this is a violation of the nap.

You remind me of a faggot that considered reparations from Krauts for WW1 a violation of the NAP.

You faggots are fucking joke.

>>135043109

But the guy who has trapped him is a significant donor to the private police and will cut their funding if they mess with him.

Also, the guy who is trapped can't pay for their help.

Then what?

>>135059626
>You don't respect private property. You only accept it when conforms to your idealism.
There's a difference between respect and worship. NatSoc does the former, you do the latter.
>>135059727
>No matter how much a NatSoc denies being a socialist, he still supports a welfare state which is degenerate by design.
Welfare state does not equal "free shit" for no reason. People still have to work for shit. There is no "redistribution" going on.
>>135059759
False equivalence. The Industrial Revolution was a major turning point for economic theory. That's why most people aren't farmers anymore.
>>135059995
Stop slinging philosophical shit at me and admit there is no answer for moral dilemmas in your shitty system. You rely on people's goodwill that they won't shit up and exploit each other. Obviously that doesn't work, look how the U.S went from Libertarian, to how we are now.

>>135043844

>Explain to me what happens if the (((government))) claims ownership of your house and refuses to let you leave.

Which literally never happened, unlike the scenario of OP.

>>135042541
>every argument against Ancap is a strawman
Anyone it wouldn't happen because there is no benefit from it and land plots aren't made like that.

>>135044359
>If they deny you any variation of a deal for freedom of movement they violate the nap

No they don't.

>These people make fun of commies for not understanding shit.

>>135060467
Its called house arrest, bootlicker

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>>135060467
>What's waco
Jesus Christ when will summer be over?

>>135048274

> but you can't deny him access to everything outside; you have to leave him some kind of passage.

Lolwhat? It's HIS problems how to get outside, not The guys' who bought the property.

>>135060577
>no benefit from it and land plots aren't made like that.
Renting it out to others.

>>135043553
wouldn't that violate the NAP?

Funnily enough people don't notice that Ancap is the most likely outcome of the next 25-50 years.

You guys don't seem to notice that the state is fast becoming obsolete while the pretty facade of the leviathan only hides the rust & subcutaneous fat of a dying beast.

The pillars of the absolute state are coming undone, the alt-media, crypto currencies & the exchange economy, the education available on the internet and at the press of a button. While those steam ahead the last pillar left untouched is the security apparatus, threatened by an armed populace and the alternatives still yet to come.

Get hype cunts.

>>135060454
NatSoc has done neither, you dipshit.
>You don't respect private property. You only accept it when conforms to your idealism.

You're already being crushed under the boot of natural law, theres nothing your mystical left-wing ideology can do to save you. idiot.

>>135048307
>You attempt to negotiate to leave. If they persist, they have violated the NAP

>If they don't want to make deal with me they violated the NAP

Anarcho-capitalism, everybody. A.K.A. "Everyone that doesn't agree with me violates the NAP".

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>>135060839
Why would you rent land to someone and then refuse to let them onto your property.

>>135042541
You can argue to a judge that you need an easement, has been done before

>>135060989
they're idiots, fake AnCaps who are unwilling to actually understand the concept of property rights. dont engage them.

>>135061096
No idiot, you don't let them in unless they pay you. thats why you would own that property. DUH.

>>135045418
>maybe the man who has been entrapped should have bought the land around him first instead of stupidly letting himself become surrounded

Let me guess, you skipped the advanced level maths at school because it's Jewish invention?

>>135042541
How is AnCap a politics if it already resembles present reality

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>>135057335
> citation needed. Hitler was doing nice and dandy until Poland started fucking with him and France and Britian took the chance to say "oy vey, Poland's being oppressed".

Poland did not fuck with hitler, he invaded Poland on flimsy pretexts because he was a manic individual who believed in mysticism and had delusions of grandeur. He did this despite knowing full well it would be an international disaster which would bring him into conflict with his bosses, the rulers of the western neoliberal societies. Regardless of whatever provocations you imagine Poland did to Hitler and Germany, even the most hardcore nazi apologists don't describe crimes which are comparable to the hell which was to come to germany and its people due to his decision to invade.

After that, of course France and Britain declared war -- their puppet had stepped out of line. I like how you accuse the French and British governments of being infiltrated by zionists, when Israel WOULD NOT EXIST TODAY if Hitler had not invaded Poland. That was Hitler's decision -- and his alone, you won't even deny it.

>>135044975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLWuwicKgh4

here is a concept video

>>135050164
>Air and radio space
No such thing

>>135042541
I guess it's time to kill him and take his stuff.

>>135060454
>Welfare state does not equal "free shit" for no reason. People still have to work for shit. There is no "redistribution" going on.
Welfare states by design redistribute wealth no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
>Stop slinging philosophical shit at me and admit there is no answer for moral dilemmas in your shitty system. You rely on people's goodwill that they won't shit up and exploit each other. Obviously that doesn't work, look how the U.S went from Libertarian, to how we are now.
The only tangible example of National Socialism is of a country that got involved in a war that it couldn't win because it was high off it's own propaganda.

Also
>Buying property without buying ways out

>>135062097
Brings a whole new meaning to the role of a travel agent.

>>135061251
So basically I'm selling them access to my roads. What's the problem then?

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Buying a property without access routes, easements, or joint avenues.
Not getting contractual evidence for your rights to move and access your property.
You did this to yourself.

>>135062305
there is none.

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>>135061096
>Why would you rent land to someone and then refuse to let them onto your property.
>Renting it out to others.
>others
>OTHERS
>>135060951
>NatSoc has done neither, you dipshit.
Private property is allowed. It's only taken away if someone abuses it.
>You're already being crushed under the boot of natural law, theres nothing your mystical left-wing ideology can do to save you. idiot.
Fallacy.
>>135061497
Poland did not fuck with hitler, he invaded Poland on flimsy pretexts because he was a manic individual who believed in mysticism and had delusions of grandeur.
Fallacy.
>He did this despite knowing full well it would be an international disaster which would bring him into conflict with his bosses, the rulers of the western neoliberal societies.
Hitler had not gotten into WW2 after Austria and Czecheslovakia, there was no reason for him to think Britain would suddenly let Poland kill Germans. Where the fuck are you getting this theory that Hitler was ruled by neoliberals, anyway?
>I like how you accuse the French and British governments of being infiltrated by zionists, when Israel WOULD NOT EXIST TODAY if Hitler had not invaded Poland. That was Hitler's decision -- and his alone, you won't even deny it.
How the fuck was he supposed to know any of that would happen? I didn't know you can see the future.
>>135061997
>Welfare states by design redistribute wealth no matter how many times you claim otherwise.
Only to people who work for it.
>The only tangible example of National Socialism is of a country that got involved in a war that it couldn't win because it was high off it's own propaganda.
Fallacy. Hitler invaded because Poland was killing ethnic Germans and started acting like a tough guy. pic related.

>>135051342
fun fact: private hunters do more to protect fauna populations than govts do
private land owners maintain land better than govts do.>>135051342

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>>135062377
Wrong, I hired a local company to pave out a small dirt road on my property so I can access the toll freeway with larger ease.

>>135062532
>Private property is allowed. It's only taken away if someone abuses it.
>we only seize the means when they deserve it

You're a fucking leftist. We on the right respect the NATURAL ORDER, while leftist shitheads like you rebel against the inevitable like whining children. kill yourself before you destroy this earth.

>>135062908
well if like OPs hypothethical i own all the property around you where are you gonna build it? you can't build it on my land, Are you gonna build a road so you can drive your atv around in circles?

what if the rich just buy up property next to mexico and move all the factories there, then let tons of mexicans work there effectively killing the job market for any american (in manual labor)? Obviously this could also apply to almost any other type of job.

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I just love my fellow AnCaps, you're so sharp, witty and flawless in your argumentation. We truly have the superior ideology. We are the enlightened ones of our time.

>>135045189

>if he is a white man and you are white too he wont say no

Why should he?
>>135045494
>contractually securing access

With the guy who will buy the land around in several years/decades? Are you an idiot?

>>135045870
Wait wait, so you sayin', that somebody must enforce those rules?

Just like *gasp* THE GUBMINT?

>Place a personal item in the area they plan on buying.

Your personal item is tresspassing the other's property. It is YOU who violate the NAP.

>>135055172

The one who would be moral, would be loser pretty quickly. There is no incentive to being moral in the anarchy. NONE. ZERO. Because it brings you nothing but losses. Nazifag is right about it. Maybe because he actually leaves his house once in a while, unlike you.

>>135054250
>Only the strong will prosper.

Right now government is at it's strongest, why are you bitching about them, then? They already got to the top with the free market of Ideas and a little bit of physical removal, so why are you bitching? Because it's not you at the top?
You fags are worse even than most radical of communists. Communists, at least, fucking took what they wanted instead of whining hypocritically about NAP.

>>135056397
I wouldn't, the other will.
I would, on the other hand, engage in kikery, coercion and outright racketeering of sheeple like you.

>>135058312

>Unrealistic strawmen

>Newfag that doesn't know about the killdozer man.

>>135060780

>Its called house arrest, bootlicker

Has something to happen before it, you fucking nigger? Like, IDK, commiting a crime?

>>135061164

Mate, it's the state of average ancap. Like the state of average antifafaggot, commie and liberal is constant gibsmedats, and the state of average Natsoc or fasho is shooting everyone who he considers untermensch (mainly, for making him butthurt).
Libshits in Russia, the ones that form the "pro-free-market" oppsition, the ones who made shock therapy in 90-ies, were just these faggots.

>>135063142
>You're a fucking leftist. We on the right respect the NATURAL ORDER, while leftist shitheads like you rebel against the inevitable like whining children. kill yourself before you destroy this earth.
Fallacy, but let me give you an example.
>someone buys up most land in the country, charges unreasonable prices to live on it
>government forces lowered prices and buys it so kikes can't force people into debt
Letting people abuse freedom is bad.

>>135063547
>nations
>existing in an ancap world
imagine theres no countries, its easy if you try...

>>135063326
I build the road then rent it the the man I "trapped"

>>135063597
I love the memes & quotes. Logical arguments are A- but persuasion & sales are still at a passable C+, needs heaps of work.

Fuck I wish there were lemonade stands everywhere, honest to god we need this.

>>135063750
>NATIONS BY CONSENT | Murray N. Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

>>135063791
You must have misread me, It is I who is trapping you in this theory.

>>135042541
Easement by necessity. Look it up faggots

>>135063142
>We on the right respect the NATURAL ORDER

>you rebel against the inevitable

Mate, leftshits rebelling and killing you is a PART of natural order. You just, like all right-oriented and especially ancaps, don't like when the said order bends over YOU.

>>135063750
I thought ancaps were still in the phase of delusion prior to thinking they need to unite the world under ancapism

>>135042948
That violates the NAP though.

>>135042541
Wait for him to sneeze and say the particles invaded your air space violating the nap and legally kill him sell his family into slavery and build a bigger house on your new property to further expand your drug trade.

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>>135043109
>A privatized police force would be on that in no time.
What if my privatized police force is stronger then yours and kick their butts and now you obligated to pay taxes to me?

>>135064230
Who the fuck is going to enforce it? That's what I thought.

>>135042541
Buy the land around his property

>>135064008
>leftshits rebelling and killing you is a PART of natural order.
it is part of natural order, but those who pull the strings are not those whiny leftists like yourself.
Your passionate idiocy is inept. Its nothing. you're a bunch faggoty leftists awaiting your mystical charismatic father that will never come.

>>135064329
Whoever or however that society has decided to keep the peace. You only get an Ancap world when there's an underlying NAP-sympathetic culture.

Just like you only get functioning checkouts & drive throughs when you have an underlying culture of standing in line being the norm. See how it works in your mind now bruv?

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>>135042541
literally pic related

>inb4 why are there roads

>>135064329

I know. Ancap leads to feudalism as soon as the first conflict breaks out.

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>>135063874
NATIONS BY CONSENT: DECOMPOSING THE NATION-STATE
Murray N. Rothbard

Thats perhaps the most jewy title to a book I have ever read.
I want to laugh in your face whenever you abstractionist, hyper individualist, anti-traditionalist fucks claim yourself the title of right wing. Don't ever try to shill (((rothbard))) again fuccboi

>>135064014
Who knows, its never existed, nor will it ever exist. Ancaps are just funny to watch especially when they circlejerk about how enlightened and smart they are because their abstract theory is workable in a world comprising solely of austitic white males who swear undying fealty to the NAP

>>135064587
>You only get an Ancap world when there's an underlying NAP-sympathetic culture.
And there's the problem. You can't guarantee that kikes won't band together and ruin that. That's what they've always done, and that's what they'll continue to do.

>>135064829
If you don't know the difference between property rights & capitalism vs Feudalism you really need to read a fuckin history book aye.

>>135064587
in checkouts and drive throughs the store would refuse to serve line cutters ie people have an authority to appeal to unlike ancap delusion

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>>135064839
read it, he praises genuine nationalism and destroys the open borders cucks.

>>135064839
One can argue that something like this existed in the middle ages before the war between Britain and France. But then again it was FAR from the NAP-ridden utopia these fags believe in.

>>135064563
> those who pull the strings are not those whiny leftists like yourself.

>People can't get pissed at me because i am a faggot, IT MUST BE THE JEWS

How I like that fags like you got BTFOd from Russia from the February until October of 1917 (and couple years afterwards).

>>135064960
You can't guarantee that any culture, system, structure or society won't change, that's a given of life. What we can guarantee is that when people experience true freedom, they'll laugh at statism just like people laugh at the idea of monarchs & serfdom.

I think a free society would be far more resilient, the problem that makes it seem not so is that we grow up without knowing freedom and we grow up with a huge aparatus filling peoples heads with propaganda.

The trump card that helps us change the culture is that the state is sluggish, inefficient & stagnating, whereas the market is slowly but surely developing ways to side step the fat cunt that people won't want to come back from once it's there.

>>135065145
That looks like a little bit too much text for a NatSoc, we're dealing with sub IQ 120 people here.

Also remember they're the ones who like to burn books, rather than read them.

>>135065542
>I think a free society would be far more resilient
Not at all, it only takes one rich retard to ruin it.

>>135065056
People develop ways to inforce culture fool. People want others to stand in line at the bank and not rob it so they develop protected counters, vaults & guards that increase the pain threshold to the point where for 99% of people it's far easier to just make some money and go buy an apple than it is to rob a bank or continually steal apples.

If you don't think people are going to develop systems around a new underlying culture for which politics is a lagging indicator then you're either a stereotypical autist or not even out of high school yet.

Pull ya fuckin head in mate, think a little, just a touch.

>>135065664
No it doesn't.

jesus christ most of you have obviously never bought property before, fucking nothing burger of a problem.

>>135065542
Have you really never seen any of the people that want to go back under communism even in romania and places that got fucked. Freedom = chaos & personal responsibility neither of which most people want (also internatonal weakness and degeneration)

>>135042541
Easements.

>>135065908
so your answer is the market will solve the problem ? lel

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>>135065516
yeah and hilter had is little faggy moment for a few years. best you fags have nowadays is north korea, you shits are sitting at the kids table while the real men conduct buisness.

>>135064008
>lefties
>killing anyone on their own

Pick one, and only one.

>>135062532
> Fallacy.
Yeah its a non-specified fallacy to state a widely accepted historical fact! Don't read any of the literature on the subject! It was the poles fucking with germany with the soviety union and germany conspired to sign the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact! Poland was fucking with germany when they restated their commitment to solving all differences diplomatically, causing hitler to delay his disastrous invasion because of bad press! German war planners and military documents definitely don't explicitly state their plans for an offensive invasion of poland !!!

> Hitler had not gotten into WW2 after Austria and Czecheslovakia, there was no reason for him to think Britain would suddenly let Poland kill Germans.

You're a shameless liar to try and frame Britain's entry into the war this way. Here is historical fact, consult any source you want (even neo nazi alt history, I expect, and they will tell you this): britain and poland signed a defensive pact on august 25, a day before Hitler had planned to begin his offensive. Hitler, a mere 6 days later, on the 31st, began his invasion of Poland, and immediately began laying the foundation for his murderous war crimes against the poles (the poles -- historical of enemies of europe, right nazi brethren?). The west's desire to avoid this disaster was immense (as I said before) -- hence the unprecedented decision to allow hitler the opportunity to unwind the invasion of poland. Of course hitler knew much better and had his own ambitions for confronting the communists. The rest is history. Nazi stooges will tell you the invasion was justified because of poland 'fucking' with german citizens in poland. A mere 3 years later american strategic bombers and the red army will be leveling europe, not mention the notorious rape of literally 100% of the women of berlin by the red army. That's what happens when you fuck with Hitler, genius strategist.

(cont'd)

>>135042541
Obviously, him surrounding your land would be a violation of the law according to the private police you hired. It would be legal according his police and you'd have the two police forces fight until one of you is executed. Then the victor would take the land.

ANCAP societies would just devolve into feudalism. You'd be recreating the conditions of early human civilization where people with less resources seek the protection of people with more resources. Eventually it becomes an organized system with the guy who has all the resources becoming king. Then you wouldn't have an ANCAP system anymore, you'd have a bunch of little states everywhere.

>>135066319
no the police forces wouldn't bother fighting over one tiny client, they just take his land/get bribed/ kill him or tell him to fuck off

>>135065953
>guy decides he wants other people's property for more factories/resources
>makes an organization to take it
>something he governs
>a government, if you will
>takes it
>"wow, people can't do shit if I gang up on them"
>steamrolls AnCaps left and right because they can't do anything about it

>>135064839
We all know you never read that book and we all know that hoppe figured out how to be hitler better than hitler

>>135066319
Some of the slightly more realistic ancaps like cantwell actually realize the feudalism bit, but somehow dont realize it will amalgamate into kingship eventually. Also they're under the delusion that being a serf isn't a bad thing for some reason.

>>135066786
>we all know that hoppe figured out how to be hitler better than hitler
Not until you guys can agree on what the NAP lets you do.

>>135042541
You get thrown in the ocean

>>135066900
It lets me have bitcoin before it was a dollar
Good enough for me

>>135063972
I will offer money for you to let me onto your property(or designated road) to access my property and areas outside.

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>>135067257
Deal.

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>>135067149
>yfw your money get redistributed by commie fucks

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>>135062532
>>135066297

So, imbecile, care to share your insider information about the conspiracy among poland and britain to attack the german population in poland, in order to 'fuck' with hitler and germany, in your words? Everything i've just said is easily verifiable fact. Yet you seem content to blithely state a wild claim about crimes against germans commited by poland with zero evidence or explanation. Such a conspiracy would be truly surprising, that the regime in poland went to such back handed tactics to invite their own destruction at the hands off the soviets and germans.

> How the fuck was he supposed to know any of that would happen? I didn't know you can see the future.
Yeah wow you really need some mystical powers of divination to anticipate a british invasion after they sign a defense pact with poland in response to your own aggressive brinksmanship on the day of your planned invasion. Who could have seen the declaration of war coming? The fact that hitler didn't see the declaration of war coming after britain's two day warning to pull out of poland or face war is easily explained by the fact that all of germany's crystal balls had been distributed to the commanders of the panzer waffe so as to give them the decisive operational advantage against polish cavalry

> Where the fuck are you getting this theory that Hitler was ruled by neoliberals, anyway?

I'm just basing it off of the little known historical facts that it was a liberal government / society in which he rose to power, with the support of foreign liberal governments, that germany under his leadership committed national suicide fighting the communists in the soviet union so as to defend western capitalism, and that the direct outcome of his regime was multi decade global domination by the western neoliberal ruling class. Its all wild speculation on my part.

Pic related, the NY times gushing over hitler to get americans to like him

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>>135067341
bitch please, that spaniard was a /liberty/ cuck. practically a reddior. can't even into privatizing the borders.

>>135043866
But they'd have to violate the nap by going on the other persons property to get to OP.

>>135044801
A country is much bigger than a small plot of land and therefore has access to more resources to feed and take care of it's people.

>>135067541
>several "reliable sources" in pic
>mfw
>with the support of foreign liberal governments
>mfw foreign liberal government members and Jews boycotted German goods
>little known historical facts that it was a liberal government / society in which he rose to power
>little known fact that the Weimar Republic was liberal
Everyone on /pol/ knows that you retard, that's why he ran to change it.
>Its all wild speculation on my part.
Pretty much. You're making connections that aren't there.
>Who could have seen the declaration of war coming? The fact that hitler didn't see the declaration of war coming after britain's two day warning to pull out of poland or face war
So Germany should just leave and let Poland kill Germans? AnCaps, everyone. "Moral and ethical society" my ass.

>>135042541
>Explain to me what happens if someone buys all the land around my private property and literally doesn't let me get out.
What stops people from doing this now? Surely you do not own all of Portugal. Someone else owns all the land around you and allows you to leave currently.

Have you actually thought about what you're asking? You dumb shit.

>>135044255
This. If he did it on accident merely tell him he's violating the NAP and to let you leave your property. If he still won't let you out that's a straight violation of the NAP and you can nuke him legally.

>>135068707
>What stops people from doing this now?
The banks own a lot of land in the U.S. They are doing it now, just not as blatantly as they could.

>>135042541
Evolve wings with Mcmutagens© limited supply of darwinium. Then use your're wings to fly to happiness anon.
>Just open up negotiations with your neighbor ffs.

>135067955
I'm pretty sure the bronze plan of the private fire department have ladders to get to people without violating the NAP. Also the OP could tell his neightbor he is expecting the fire department.

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>>135044255
>NAP
>Never change

>>135068875
The US government owns most territory in the US and is far and away the most strict about keeping people out of their lands.

>>135042541
If you didn't stockpile McNukes and artillery it is your own damn fault. Take responsibility ffs!

>>135069540
But they aren't trying to get people into debt solely for profit.

>>135058312
booo I came here to laugh

>>135068651

I was being sarcastic you stupid ass hole. also thanks for saying that the 'connections arent there' right after you stupidly miss the point of my joke and at once claim that everyone on /pol/ knows of these connections.

Let me guess, life (in neoliberal society) has disappointed you, and you adopted the nazi ideology to explain these short comings of the world while at once maintaining your sense of inherent superiority? Unwilling to admit that your masters have played you for a fool again?

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>>135069860
Fallacy

>>135044975
Make it like Europa Universalis/Hearts of Iron/Victoria, something like that with a blend of Sim City or some shit.

>>135069798
source?

>>135066040
Yeah I know what you mean but that's not what I meant exactly. Almost nobody that experienced the horros of communism would've wanted to go back right. Obviously entitled lefty shits want to "go back" nowadays or for them "go forward into progress", but I would add that I strongly believe that once people experience a free society it would be more akin to people wanting to go back to Monarchy & slavery in any serious manner.

>>135066159
People will solve it. That's what people do, people develop ideas and systems fool.

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>>135067955
/thread or is there a gold plan that allows self defensive war when in violation of said nap

>>135043063

Have it airlifted.

>>135070364
>source
The government doesn't own the banks. They happen to be privately owned.

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>>135042541
In this situation you are fucked. Simple as that. You would be forced to live on subsistence until some inevitable end.

Granted a situation such as this is possible within such a society, it is much more likely that men incapable of defending themselves would live nested and protected within a security corp. The likes of which would offer protection in exchange for a fee or employment.

Without roads (which would likely be the case if landlocked), airfare would seemingly be a more popular means of transportation (like in Alaska).

But, we wouldn't know what really happens unless we try.

I entered the most retarded discussion of ancapistan I've ever witnessed, ffs. When you buy a house you (in some form) contract access, that's it, that's our current solution, assuming you don't live in a backwater hellhole. You could ask the same question of any system that recognizes private property. How are so many people here unaware that property access disputes are fucking common problem? This happens all the fucking time and somehow society hasn't fucking collapsed into feudalism, ffs I have dealt with this fucking problem myself recently.

>>135046013
>relying on a hostile arrangement where you had no leverage
honestly anon if you are that weak then you deserve to be McGunned down

>>135064658
this is fucking awesome

>>135069798
What's the difference? What, does "profit" somehow put devilry in an action?
Being an asshole is being an asshole. This is my problem with anti-libertarians. Your answer is worse.
Like, you guys always talk shit about monopoly, and yet your fucking answer to monopoly is the most violent and destructive form of monopoly known to mankind.
What the fuck? Do you guys have no self-awareness at all?

>>135071158
this
pirates are based and understand the virtue of our kind

>>135061739
>>Air and radio space
>No such thing
>Implying somebody with the resources to take the land doesn't have the resources to operate any kind of jammer
You don't deserve that flag commie

>>135068707

Right now, pretty much all roads are considered public property. They're basically owned by the government, who allows everyone to use them subject to certain rules (no driving on them without a license and walk on the sidewalk). The government doesn't sell public property typically, except perhaps with a vote. The reason why no one can pull this crap now? Because the roads are not for sale.

>>135070086

A confused and ineffective troll who can't come to grips with the serious engagement he spends his life pointlessly seeking? Or an honest to god neo nazi with absolutely nothing to say; no understanding of history; unable or unwilling to defend his own ideas? I pity this coward.

>>135071158
Cognitive dissonance is a beautiful fucking thing.
The lack of consistency, the lack of self awareness when the shit dribbles from their chins would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing. These superior intellectuals of /pol/ that imagine they can design society and that their chosen masters will do exactly what they want can't even see that their best arguments are better arguments against their own ideas.

Based pirate.

>>135042541
>doesnt understand the right to easement.

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>>135071158
>What's the difference? What, does "profit" somehow put devilry in an action?
It doesn't. Greed does. The point of NatSoc is to let people be prosperous, but at the same time punish those who value material goods and money over their nation and people.
Without a set of rules that can be enforced and something it's more likely people will care about money above all else. War will break out all over, as was the case in feudal Europe. Hell, it's even in the name, and you people agree with it.
>Feud - a prolonged and bitter quarrel or dispute.

>>135071598
> public property
> owned by the government
> allows everyone to use them
> except certain rules

I know we live in a crazy fucking world but can you see how insane this is? Public property that the government owns & controls, ie a small group of people with guns, temporary caretakers (so to speak). Everyone can use them except that no one can use them without the states permission. So it's not public ownership & not everyone can use them. Hell you have borders that keep people inside a country like a prison.

Yet the idea of someone owning a road who actually has an incentive to look after it and has an incentive for people to use it publicly, like for example to travel to their shopping complex is just too far fetched. Or that the rebel road builders of Australia won't just lay roads between towns that everyone can use and fix them up as they can/want. Or even better a combination of the two. Nah that's just utopian aye?

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>>135071598
But they can pull it now. And do so when they feel the need.
Government loves you, corporations do not. Yes, we know dumbass. Except reality does things differently.

People who support government over private control are their own worst enemy. The people who want to do you harm do not care whether their controls are private or public. If the government is the one with the power, then they simply get you to vote them into government positions wherein they fuck you over anyway.
Meanwhile, you gave up the one thing that might have made you more capable of resisting them. Your freedom.

You are your own worst enemy, statist. That is a fact you'll have to come to terms with. I know where I stand. Outside of the law. I made that choice. Ain't no richfag lawyer in this world man enough to give me fucking orders.

>>135042541
Wow it sure is nice having a bait thread get 253 hits, huh OP?

>>135072129
>but at the same time punish those who value material goods and money over their nation and people

...You mean like Hitler and Goebbels who sat in their mansions while their countrymen bled and died out in the cold, resisting slav barbarians to their last breath? You mean Hitler, who(depending on which story you believe) either suicided like a coward in a bunker or fled to Argentina when his "nation and people" failed because he and his pals were greedy fucks and let it all go to shit?

You know you're on the right side of history when your origins come from the brilliant minds of men observing the natural world & pondering life in a positive & peaceful direction, with a vision of the best society for all individuals.

As opposed to having your ideology's origins in the brains of literal james bond villains that think Red Wood trees are the masterrace of trees and that capitalism/economics by cutting Red Wood's to make high quality wooden products is anti-evolution of the superior race of trees and therefore shall be labelled the dismal science & vehemently opposed for all eternity. In the mind of men that want you dead and put you on the same level as black genetic trash.

...but whatever. Keep fighting the ideas of freedom, keep your mind closed and refuse to mull over ideas/solutions. The world will pass you by and your kids can thank us later.

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>>135042541
You guys are idiots

if someone is passing through your property they are already in the process of leaving. You can't claim that person has malicious intent. As long as they don't harm your property, no foul.

>>135043791
How are you going to ensure that he abides by the NAP in the absence of a centralized political authority?

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>>135073333
>3333
Quad Three. You prefer divine security. Kek tells you that you are a faggot.
>Quintessence:7
Chose wisely

>>135060013
Should have shot him before he could have bought all the land, so yes, the guy is smarter for trapping the retard in his land. He was on his way on violating the NAP, so he deserves a bullet.

>>135063750
Well aarcho-capitalism could not be instituted in every part of the world simultaneously, and so any existing nation-states would easily be able to take over a territory that somehow permanently disbanded its government. For example, if the territory called the United States disbanded its government tomorrow, including its military forces, China and Russia would easily swoop in and take over large swaths of land from relatively lightly armed civilians. And "private armies" would not have the time or infrastructure in place to coordinate an effective defense against such an attack. Hence one of the reasons why Anarcho-capitalism is one of the most poorly conceived ideologies in existence from a practical/realistic standpoint.

>>135074162
anarcho-capitalism*

>>135073325
>...You mean like Hitler and Goebbels who sat in their mansions while their countrymen bled and died out in the cold, resisting slav barbarians to their last breath? You mean Hitler, who(depending on which story you believe) either suicided like a coward in a bunker or fled to Argentina when his "nation and people" failed because he and his pals were greedy fucks and let it all go to shit?
Fallacy. He made Germany prosper, fought in WW1, and took on the Jewish banks. You guys can't do anything than attack people with fallacies or be "enlightened, not by the blessing of any phony state, but by your own intellegence", much like this young lad.
>>135073333
>right side of history
kek, really now?
>brilliant minds of men observing the natural world & pondering life in a positive & peaceful direction, with a vision of the best society for all individuals
>tfw your movements leaders are Jews
Also
>a vision of the best society for all individuals
You'd let people starve in the streets if a company they worked at went out of business, don't fucking lie. "Individuals" don't matter to you. Your stupid "freedom" matters, even if other people abuse it to rob you of it.

>>135074162
That shows a pretty horrid misunderstanding of the transition but whatever, run with it for a moment. What are China & Russia going to take over and how do they do it? Are they going to ship millions of citizens in to replace the Americans or are they going to forcibly occupy every street corner on the continent and how/why would they do that? What is their response to their economies collapsing when they blockade the US they are invading?

>>135042541
you mobilize your private militia and kill them
duh

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>>135074374
Forgot pic

>>135074461
Probably exactly how countries invaded each other in the past.

>>135074374
>Fallacy. He made Germany prosper, fought in WW1, and took on the Jewish banks.

Sure he did.

>>135074374
> You'd let people starve in the streets if a company they worked at went out of business, don't fucking lie. "Individuals" don't matter to you. Your stupid "freedom" matters, even if other people abuse it to rob you of it.

Fuck off. I've helped people in my life with food, shelter, money & jobs. In a free society I'd be in a better position to do more, there'd be less people needing help & there'd be far more effective means of helping people than the welfare state and you know it. Or haven't you examined the rusty, inner workings of the leviathan state yet?

If you think Hayek, Mises & Bastiat weren't brilliant visionaries but somehow decide to follow the decendants of Hobbes then I don't know what to say mate, you might be a few stubbies short of a 6-pack.

>>135050038
Stirner showing how it's done.
Spookfags BTFO'ed!

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>>135060892
Nah, I have every right to unleash poison gas on my land. Once it leaves my cylinders it ceases to belong to me and just becomes a natural phenomenon like all the other molecules in the air.

>>135074574
STATIST This is a FREE PARASITE COUNTRY, bro

>DONT DEAD OPEN INSIDE

>>135074695
Okay, so countries invaded each other to take over the existing governments infrastructure/systems and install their own government. In a society that just got rid of its government and government infrastructure, they're going to take over nothing or they're going to try and rebuild it from scratch?

If they try to build one from scratch they have to forcibly occupy the populace, I wonder how Americans will handle their new Chinese overlords, I wonder if Americans will cause more trouble for China than Afghanistan & Vietnam have done.

I wonder how they'll do that will a collapse economy.....fuck this scenario is sounding pretty far fetched mate, are you sure you guys are being realistic here?

>>135064829
>Ancap leads to feudalism as soon as the first conflict breaks out.
Even in a scenario without significant conflict somebody eventually becomes the richest and owns a controlling stake in everything.

Again the result is feudalism.

>>135075243
You don't even need that, ancap society has no standing army and is vulnerable to pretty much the entire world. A government would immediately form naturally, its how we evolved.

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>>135074728
He did? What are you trying to prove by being passive-aggressive?
>>135074852
>In a free society I'd be in a better position to do more, there'd be less people needing help & there'd be far more effective means of helping people than the welfare state and you know it. Or haven't you examined the rusty, inner workings of the leviathan state yet?
I think you misunderstand what NatSoc is.
>>135054678 pic explains it better than I could. Private business is allowed and encouraged.
>there'd be less people needing help
kek, post Industrial Revolution America and Britain would like to speak with you.

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>>135075546
I'm being directly aggressive. You fucks really don't have self-awareness if you can't see that.

As I said, you are your own worst enemy. You give up what was given to you at birth out of fear or a desire for comfort. You're weak, easily fooled, and in the end, a bitch to other more powerful men. No man holds power over me for no man is immortal.

>>135075116
>If they try to build one from scratch they have to forcibly occupy the populace, I wonder how Americans will handle their new Chinese overlords, I wonder if Americans will cause more trouble for China than Afghanistan & Vietnam have done.
>I wonder how Americans will handle their new Chinese overlords
Probably pretty well since about half the country would sympathize with them. Other than that, they'd probably do the same what they did with Eastern Germany. The Eastern Germans were cucked after losing the war, I doubt modern America would fare much better.

>>135075116

If the scenario is far fetched then you're gonna have to explain Crimea to me then. I don't know if China or Russia will go to that length to Establish themselves in America but I definitely see Mexico taking some territory along the southern borders. Some of those border towns are majority Mexican anyway so all you need is some sorta vote or have enough people in support/apathetic to the takeover for it to happen.

>>135075546
> I think you misunderstand what NatSoc is.
We were talking about Ancaps. What do you want to say about NatSoc?

> post Industrial Revolution America and Britain would like to speak with you.
...and what would they say besides transitioning from subsistence farmers into eventually the most prosperous era of human existence where people fed, clothed, educated, house etc.

I'll check out your explanation img but do you really think there'd be more poor people to look after in a Libertarian society? I wonder how you merge the fears you have of freedom with alllowing an authoritarian state to exist, like do you think in reality it would be implemented exactly how you imagine, that you would write the laws and that every member of the public sector and every leader would follow your dream vision and not their own? That power doesn't corrupt leviathan states more than anything else?

Maybe that image would clear up all the flaws of statism?

>>135075993
>No man holds power over me
>>135074574
>>135074849
Related question, what's your bank?

>>135044975
Mental retardation.

>>135042541
1. Why would you let someone be dumb enough to do that?

2. You fucking kill them because they violated first.

Google: Servitude road + Property law.

>>135076225
>I'll check out your explanation img but do you really think there'd be more poor people to look after in a Libertarian society?
Price fixing, not competing with wages, hiring cheap labor from overseas, land owners overcharging for land, etc.

>>135076115
Crimea is the complete opposite of invading a Libertarian society but I agree that nations might try to take little bits of land here and there but China for example "taking over" North America? I don't see how they can do that with a lack of government infrastructure to take over, with a collapsing economy & 200 million angry residents.

>>135076005
> losing the war
Except wars are between states to transfer control & ownership of state infrastructure generally. Even with a government take over Germany still became Germany in the end, it didn't transform into a new territory of the USA unless by proxy but that's besides the point. How can you fight a war against 200 million individuals just living out their daily lives, without the standard centralized government infrastructure in place to take over? Know what I mean? Only plausible part is taking over specific resources but they're already being traded those anyway so whats the point.

>>135076225
>I wonder how you merge the fears you have of freedom with alllowing an authoritarian state to exist, like do you think in reality it would be implemented exactly how you imagine, that you would write the laws and that every member of the public sector and every leader would follow your dream vision and not their own? That power doesn't corrupt leviathan states more than anything else?
NatSoc Germany was perfectly fine, highest quality of life in the world at the time. It's pretty easy to write off "power doesn't corrupt leviathan states more than anything else?" when that didn't happen in NatSoc Germany for the few years it existed.

>>135077051
>How can you fight a war against 200 million individuals just living out their daily lives, without the standard centralized government infrastructure in place to take over?
Probably the same way Europe colonized Africa if I were to guess.

>>135077051
You're not very bright.

>>135076699
lol what? Do you remember capitalist countries starting off with the cheapest labour? They started out with slavery & illiterate subsistence farmers and created the world you see and you think that trend just reverses itself because some boofhead on TV is trying to rouse your fear of foreigner taking your non-existant job? Like the immigrants after WW2 took american jobs, those evil Japanese & chinese immigrants that are so psychotic they wouldn't be able to integrate and americans would be worse off, those bloody Indian telemarketers and don't forget the Irish and those damn Slavs too. Japanese car factories, European immigrants cunts fucked aye Capitalism just can't handle it?

From the sounds of it not joke it sounds like you guys want to be working in factories for the rest of eternity. Reminds me of when everyone lost their agriculture jobs with the industrial revolution. Totally didn't transition more skilled work, a more educated populace which led to even more skilled work, kind of like how China didn't do it either.

I'm sorry for being a massive snide twat right now but I just can't take this sort of thing seriously anymore. Economic fears debunked decades ago only prevelant today because of fear monger statists & general failures of government to allow real wages to fluctuate with the demands & needs of our societies.

Gg. You're dead. Police gonna fuck you up hard.

>>135064230
Boxing you into your land violates the NAP. You're simply asserting your rights against an aggressor to your personal property.

>>135043844
>let me divert attention from my retardet ideology by pointing at the other side of the retardation spectrum
>*tipps*

>>135077063
I dunno what you'd define power not corrupting when the state did some pretty disgusting things to its own citizens but not only that the incompetent greedy cunts in every level of government failured the Furher because of their own corruption. The way they made deals with other governments to disobey & surrender, the way the health issues of one man helped lose the war, the way people on the ground were corrupted by the positions they had.

>>135077195
You reckon it'd be the same though? Unused land with sparse groups of savages vs used land with millions of armed & somewhat intelligent humans? From a world of conquest & colonization to a work of interconnectedness & trade going back to imperialism? Yeah maybe.

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>>135073333
>3333
Remember the day statists.

>>135075993
Jesus Christ he looks like a kid here. I remember as a kid being told he was the scariest adult in the world.

>>135077735
>Economic fears debunked decades ago only prevelant today because of fear monger statists & general failures of government to allow real wages to fluctuate with the demands & needs of our societies.
>Economic fears debunked
Yes, no one has any debt. Oh wait. Well at least our jobs are still here. Oh wait. The only reason price fixing isn't so extreme is because is illegal.
>>135078179
>I dunno what you'd define power not corrupting when the state did some pretty disgusting things to its own citizens
>Jews
>citizens
or
>Holocaust
>happening
>>>/r/eddit
>You reckon it'd be the same though?
Yep.
>millions of armed & somewhat intelligent humans
What the fuck are they going to do alone? Not to mention the beaner invasion will only increase from then on. They won't do shit. You haven't done shit against our government now, cuck.

>>135046109
How is his ideology compromised in the same way ?I haven't seen Grannie nazi larpers around. Not even here.

You keep acting like your ideology isn't a hotbed for degenerates when reality goes on proving you wrong.

>>135042541
Buy the land one inch below the bottom of his property, and sue him for building on top of land you own.

>>135078546
He wasn't that old.
May the crazy bastard rest in peace. He made a hard but needed decision.

>>135048307
>an cap
>comunity

You are a mentally ill person just like a femminst. Your words mean what feels good to you and as soon as they are turned against you, you relativise their meaning.

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