Question for marxists How are workers having their surplus labor

It's that the owner of the means of production profits from others labor while contributing no labor themself

>>135001368
What if the owner built the means of production himself?

>>135001368
If the laborers truly didn't profit they would have created their own means of production.

Seizing the means by force is simply theft.

>>135001561
He still isn't then one laboring to create the final product he profits from

>>135002191
They do profit it's that the owner of the means of production profits for doing nothing

>>135003754
So the people that build the means of production contribute nothing to the creation of a product?
Labor value theory is weird

>>135001368

why would anyone take the risk, responsibility, and effort to CREATE means of production, when it brings no reward or incentive more than just being a regular worker?

by definition, 'to each according to his need, from each according to his ability' would make the correct meta to be to 'need as much as possible while offering as little as possible'. meaning, why not have a dozen kids and break my leg? then you all have to support me, where, if i am to go and create means of production, it is i supporting you, and i become your slave.

>>135001171
because the idea that someone should be paid more money because they have more money is absurd

>>135001368
>>135003754

>implying that running a business isn't laborious in and of itself
>implying the risk taken on by the investors and owners doesn't count
>implying the initial outlay by the owner of the business doesn't count
>implying finding competent labor isn't difficult
>implying finding new investors isn't laborious
>implying laborers can offset their opportunity cost
>implying you know anything about running a functioning business that isn't a sole proprietorship

>>135001171
because they're under-paid

>>135001171
Are construction companies entitled to all the profits made by a factory they were contracted to build?

Is Microsoft entitled to all the profits made by time saved due to their computers and programs?

>>135005133
No but that's an interesting idea/thought experiment. How would things function differently if they were and if companies operated like that?
Things would become extremely complicated, everything would be about claiming original productive means, etc.

>>135001171
Marxists aren't into working and labor anymore OP. These days it's all "why don't we just have robots do everything so I can smoke weed all day?" shit.