Shitstorm against biggest leftist German newsportal "Der

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here the Spiegel ranking.

Hmmm, interesting.

>>134979622
I find it fucking hilarious how this happens every time

>Sarrazin book -> straight to the bestsellers
>Finis Germania -> straight to the best sellers
>Bertelsmann study on populism in Germany -> only defined as "supporting populist" if you fully agree with every statement in their survey, yet still around 30% in support of it

And yet when the elections come around the results do not fit with that at all.
Either the majority of the voters does not engage in any of the above at all; the majority of voters has been brainwashed to the point where they'll still vote against their own self interest, even after breaking most of the conditioning; or the elections are simply fake.

Twitter is for socialfags

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>>134979728
Note that the correct Latin should be "Finis Germaniae", as this is not an instance where apposition makes sense. Very interesting -- I'll have to check it out.

>>134979622
Is there a version of the book available in English or Italian?

>>134981963
>elections are simply fake
I am rapidly wondering about this for the EU elections

Good looking out, krauts. Don't stop believin.

Does this guy have any particularly good stuff that's been translated into English?

You're doing Gotts work mein Freund

>>134982175
No it's Finis Germania and that's correct!

Finis Germaniae = (The) German End
Finis Germania = End (of) Germany

The later is the correct title for the book and what's happening.

>>134982256
It wouldn't surprise me at all to be honest. The European leadership (for the most part) is insanely elitist and has an openly condescending view on the average citizen.
I mean, one of the "populist" demands are plebiscites, which they pretty vehemently oppose. With paraphrased versions of "we think you are too stupid to even wipe your own ass so we will never let you voice your opinion on anything".

>>134982175
However it could be interpretaded as
Finis, Germania ?
Which is correct

>>134981963
>And yet when the elections come around the results do not fit with that at all.
You aren't the only one wondering. It is a foregone conclusion that merkel will win the coaliation again this year, but if the AfD doesn't get enough votes, and the traitorous cunt continues to fuck up as she did the last years, I honestly think about immigrating eastwards. This is no place to raise children, or grow old anymore, if it continues as-is.

>>134979622
Old news
Here the whole story:
The list is not bestsellers but a critics pick.
10 critics give without talking to each other a limited amount of points to books on a list.
One Adolf trolled them and gave all the points to that book. Spiegel publisher didnt review the result and it was printed.
Nothing to see here.

>>134979622
Is there an english version? Seems like a good read.

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>>134979622
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retweet my nigguhs

>>134979622
it's ridiculous this book wasn't written and read by everyone decades ago. Germany is a literal theocratic dictatorship of the kooky and untrue Holocaust religion

maybe point out to the germans der spiegel is a Jewish newspaper, ie theocratic freaks

>>134982578
Which country are you heading to?

Bump. Get this to e-celebs, breitbart, infowars and die vulgäre analyse. Thx.

>>134979622

bump

>>134982661

Shut the fuck up, Mehmet.

>>134982661
Unless the story I read about it was false, that's not true. What you are talking about is their list of suggestions they release every now and then. After one critic gave all of his points to Finis Germania and thus got it on the list of suggestions, its sales exploded and it made it on the bestseller list.
Spiegel got butthurt by that and eventually removed them from the list to "not provide any further advertisement to antisemitic literature"

>>134979622
>If you want to bash some German leftist cuck media and spread some redpills, you can

media is part of the political establishment, they are against you.

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>>134979622

>There are chapters about mass imigration, on the holocaust and how it used as a tool to feed the German guilt, about the leftist media, Germanys relationship to Israel and so on.
>on the holocaust

It's...it's not actually dropping any holocaust redpills, is it? It's just doing the Norman Finkelstein holocaust industry thingy, right?

>>134982661
and why is the list called "Books-Bestseller" and not critics-pick? Your story sounds like i would tell to defend myself if I work for DerSpiegel.

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>>134979622
bumping for interest

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They can't cope with the fact that your country belongs to us.
>Finnish Germania

Bumpu

>>134982848
I'm from the deep south, so hungary would be my first choice. Also got some contacts to there. But really, I want to wait it out another year or two, before coming to a final conclusion.

>>134982477
>Finis Germania = End (of) Germany

It's clearly possessive (genitive), thus requiring the -ae ending. You're arguing that a television program named "Game Thrones" is the same thing as "Game of Thrones". Putting the two nouns, "Finis" and "Germania" together, as in the title, implies that their meaning is to be understood appositionally, like "Cicero consul", or "Cicero (, who is also the) consul", which in this case would imply "The End (, which is also Germany)".

>>134983052
https://sezession.de/57295/
The whole story,
First it was an editors pick,
msm got triggered,
streisand,
now ist a bestseller

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>>134979622
>der Spiegel being der Spiegel
>this causes an outrage
It's like taking a shit in the toilet and then complaining that there is shit in the toilet.

>>134982551
You may or may not have a point -- I'm not knowledgeable enough. See also my reply here: >>134983332.

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Keep fighting yourselves.

>>134983390
Normies keep being surprised by the fact that the Spiegel is just the BILD for wannabe intellectuals. They still consider it to be a valid news source.

>>134979622
bump

>>134981963
People interested in politics enough to support non-mainstream party are much more likely to buy books
>>134979622
German death will be beneficial for the world

>>134983877
Verpiss dich, Nigger.

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>>134979622
>>134979728
>>134982477
>>134983332
>>134982551
>>134983450
After conducting more research, it seems likely that one can say "Germania" is in the ablative case, and that it is correct under one or both of the criteria in pic related -- i.e. "ablative of specification" or "ablative of place where". I would still think that the possessive case would have made more sense, but perhaps I am just not knowledgeable to appreciate a subtle distinction that the author was going for.

>>134984409
My final thought on this is that the best traslation of "Finis Germania" is not "The End of Germany", but rather "The End Regarding Germany"

>>134983877
t. Jakob Augstein

>>134984585
This is probably what the author intended, sadly he suicided seeing the state of his Heimat and cannot explain it anymore. However a close friend of him confirmed that he wanted the titel in excatly that state.

>>134984816
You think we can somehow trick him into visiting Turkey and get that fucker arrested, too?

>>134984920
Fair enough. I hope that Germany and the West can be deserving of salvation.

>>134979622
>>134981640
>>134980924
>>134982477
>>134983390

This takes the prize by far
>>134983507
>>Normies keep being surprised by the fact that the Spiegel is just the BILD for wannabe intellectuals. They still consider it to be a valid news source.

What a condescending "analysis", I bet you jerk off to your posts. Have a (you) now, go fight your race war now Chad

Been reading Der Spiegel (international) for years now. I'll admit they have a liberal agenda, very strong one in fact.

One of the highest respected publications in Europe, if they are being CNN, where is the proof? Give me an article where they outright lie.

>>inb4 something that has a cringe title but isn't false by default

>>134985282
t. wannabe intellectual

Kinda like how the New York Times bestseller list ended up excluding political books because it was sick of right wing authors like Ann Coulter dominating the list.

>>134985491
>>where is the proof?

Thought so faggot.

>>134985635
Why would I need proof when you yourself already admitted that they are shit with "they have a very strong bias"?
They constantly omit facts to make the story fit their narrative, they are a shit-tier outlet that's only read by wannabe intellectuals.

I'm not gonna go and compile a literature research just because some faggot on /pol/ who would never ever admit that he was wrong anyway asked me to do so.

>>134985792
Ok anon. I see you have a deep understanding of journalism ethics. What are "god-tier" publications, in your opinion?

>>134982661
Fuck off, shill.
The list is solely based on sales figures.

>>134985282
Where are you from?

>>134986072
Frankfurter for example is less shit than most others.
But in general none of them are unbiased, the important point is that you realize that they are all trying to shove their own point of view down your throat. Which is not the case for most Spiegel readers, they still pretend it's a respectable news outlet.

>>134983029
I heard a leftard complain that the book almost denies the holocaust. Probably an idiot that just wanted to write a one star review without ever reading the book, though.

>>134979622
is this book available in pdf in english?

Germans are such cucks

>>134979622
this seems like a very good idea germanbro. Simply expose what they're doing and even better: demand an explanation

>>134979622
>Finis Germania
thanks anon. going to buy this book today

>>134986198
Cro

>>134986285
Every publication does that. It's how the profession works. Articles are for reporting, truth and facts.

While collumns are for (usually respected journalists) ideology.


>>Which is not the case for most Spiegel readers, they still pretend it's a respectable news outlet.

I wont repeat what I've already written above

>>134982661
No, it's absolutely not.
Fuck off, Julia.

>>134986704
>Articles are for reporting, truth and facts.
Yes, and they constantly leave out specific details that do not fit their narrative. There has even been a fucking study on it not too long ago where they showed the insane bias of news outlets during the first year of the refugee crisis, where everything negative was simply not reported upon.

>Cro
So you cannot even read the German version of Spiegel?

>>134986704
Go back to index cuck. I have also reading the Spiegel. To debunk it you need to look their articles when the refugee crisis was going on. They were literary saying the refugees were educated people and that Germany needs to be happy for them.

Their columnists are literary SJWs. Take Sasha Lobo who is the prime example.

>>134985282
if you're older than 20 and still read the spiegel, you're fucked up and brainwashed beyond any hope.
as this other guy said. i thougt the spiegel was a legit and kind of intellectual paper. but as the years passed, i realized how manipulative they are.

>>134986903
I am reading it on german. They are even worse than the international one.

>>134982809
There was one, causing outrage, even similarly titled "Deutschland schafft sich ab" ("Germany is getting rid of itself").

>>134986958
Target audience and the people who work for Spiegel are leftist academics who are shilling for a multicultural Germany to pretend to be good persons. On the other side they send their kids to private schools because of migration levels on public schools. They are crazy and dangerous.

>>134983332
>>134982551
>>134984409
While you beta nerds argue about some useless dumb grammar shit, I (Ahmed) is pleasuring himself with your white wife's.

Absolute cucked

>>134987053
And like Finis Germania, it sold pretty well.
It's not that these opinions aren't present in the population, it's just that the establishment is doing its best to suppress them and pretend that only fringe extremists believe such stuff. And it kinda looks like they even convinced themselves that this is true to some degree.

>>134979622
Have a bump for a legit thread.

what german websites you suggest reading?

>>134987349
None.
Read only foreign websites

>>134987241
not to mention that holding these views in public leads to becoming shunned and ostracised. that's a pretty strong psychological barrier holding people back.

>>134987053
I remember seeing the outrage on DW tv english one afternoon. It was astonishing the outrage at facts ''jews and basques each have unique genes'' or something. You'd think he'd personally gassed a few people.

>>134987426
You talk about sarrazin?
Dude looks mentally handicapped
Why can't Germans just normally argue and discuss about their problems without going full Muh genetics and Aryan uebermensch

>>134986928
Sending me from Speigel too Index.
>>(Sa konja na magarca)

>>134986903
Yea, I read it in english.

I'm not shilling for SJWs, so everybody take a deep breath.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/migrant-crime-in-germany-focus-on-north-africa-a-1151228.html

Here is the example, they mention crime, then mention stats, mention various problem with the imigrates. Although the conclusion in the article is probably something that fits the liberal narative. It's just the opinion of some guy, with information you can meke your own conclusion.

That why I like spiegel still, they aren't full blown sensationalists, and they still have many good reads


>>134986958
25, guess I should just neck myself

>>134987385
but I need them in order to improve my german - so pleas give tips

>>134987676
Don't learn it. It's a useless language.

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/literatur/finis-germania-und-die-spiegel-bestsellerliste-in-eigener-sache-a-1159667.html#js-article-comments-box-pager

comment section is delicious.
sorry to all non herrenrasse anons.

>>134985282
>Been reading Der Spiegel (international) for years now

well then there is little hope for you

>>134987706

Goethe
Hoelderlin
Kant
Heidegger
Hegel
Schiller
Schelling
Spengler
Rilke
George
(((Kraus)))
von Kleist
Herzog
Fassbinder
Murnau
Lang
Riefenstahl
Juenger

Should I continue?

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>>134987750
Grown up people how more then one news outlet sweetie.

Right is shilling for this, left for this. Truth is somewhere in between

>>134987850
So you wanna read these authors?
And then what?
Hold a lecture about these books while Ahmed goes to dinner with German white women who laugh at your autistic Ass?

>>134987922
have*

>>134987676
https://jungefreiheit.de/
for news normal level of german, a bit soft and alt-lighty

https://sezession.de/
for high-level german, right-wing theory and reports of daily madness, not nazis but european new-right,

>>134987922
>Truth is somewhere in between

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Idiot.

>>134987850
You are talking to a giga defeatist, not like there's really any point in trying to argue with him.

If you just want to practice the language it doesn't really matter that much, just avoid BILD I guess because that's too basic.

>>134988092
No one in 2017 still learns German except if you wanna live in Germany. What's the point? Are you retarded?

>>134987982
>jungefreiheit
They are literally the AfDs CNN you mongrel. How can you be dumb enough to not realize that youre reading literal propaganda and still be "to smart to read Spiegel"

>>134987941
First of all I'm Italian.

Second, not being an autistic faggot like you I could both improve my german and fight against Ahmed.
No, not giving lectures .

>>134988053
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Severe+mental+retardation

Link wikipedia more pls

>>134988187
Germans see Italians as shitshkins so I don't get why you think you are any better than Ahmed.

People in 2017 learn either English, chinese or Slavic languages. The future lies in the East.

>>134988181
Of course they are and I said the are cucks, but for learning german it may be an idea.

>>134988296
*South Italians

>>134979622
So this will probably get a giant Streisand effect and the book will sell even more?
Good job Spiegel.

>>134979622
if german anons haven't gotten unto it yet, you realize this needs english translation pdf as soon as possible and spread everywhere if it's anywhere near as good as you say
unless there's already one

>>134982661
Hang yourself, Mahmoud.

>>134987922
jeah thats the answer of someone who ,,knows,, stuff

the most u get out of our news is some vage dissorted view of the actuall happening so you dont even get whats going on in the first place

trying to get bits of information of that is like picking the white places in a rotten bread

>>134988482

It already has. It's only this well-known because some guy on some jury dared to nominate it, and it ended up being on some top 10 list, which the media then used to make a scandal out of it.

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>>134988627
Fuck it, I like to read. Also I like hearing and reading opinion different from my own. Assuming it is well written.

I'm also here every day, so I know the ((((((((real))))))))) truth

>>134982661
Wrong.

How it happened really happened:
>one elector puts his 20 points on finis germania
>the book gets on the list for the best non-fiction books of the month at the süddeutsche and the ndr
>outrage from the lefties because its an “evil“ book
>jury says giving all points to one book will not be possible in the future
>book becomes bestseller
>gets on the bestseller list of the spiegel
>spiegel removes it
>outrage

>>134982175
Right and Sieferle was very good at latin he did it in knowingly. There are two
possibilitys either you read finis as form (2 person singular) Du gehst unter Deutschland (you Germany "are" perishing. Note that you can't really translate it into english since you can't say is, but in German this is possible). Secound finis is a Substantiv (casus Vokativ) Das/dein Untergang Deutschland! (roughly Your doom Germany!) If you want i can elaborte on why i think he did this.

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>>134982175
I prefer
>delenda est germania

>>134988859
>>outrage from the lefties because its an “evil“ book
They never see the parallels between themselves and Hitler. Nor will they acknowledge that the Soviets (muh glorious Left) were notorious for moral censorship as well.

>>134988941
This is what I finally decided:

>>134984409
>>134984585

Funny thing is that the author of this book was a leftist/socialist when he was in his 20s. He wrote a book about Karl Marx to get his PhD.

But somewhere in the 90s it seems like that he got redpilled on immigration and socialism.

>>134988820
> Also I like hearing and reading opinion different from my own.

are site like Nachdenkseiten,Altermannblog,AsR in your reading cycle ?

propagandaschau is also good if you fell like u missed the prop. message the spiegel zeit and whatever include

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>>134988954

>>134989114
>They never see the parallels between themselves and Hitler

Because they generally have a very poor history knowledge and don't even know about the parallels.

>>134979622
So this book isn't sold in English at all?

>>134988954
I honestly can't make myself care when that blonde creature and others like her vote overwhelmingly for the mutant spitting on her to come into her lands and spit on her.

>>134987740
The comments are fucking gold, so many normies now interested in the book

>>134987676
>Learning a soon to be dead kanguage

>>134989246
>AsR, Altermannblog,Nachdenkseiten

Not that proficient in German, can speak a bit, but zero reading skills.

So they wont be in my reading cycle, cuz google auto translate is an affront to God, which I refuse to use.

Anyone got a pdf epub or mobi for it?

just ordered it
i wont even read it
fuck leftists

>>134989423
I hope the (true) opposition eventually realizes how easy it is to utilize the left's tendency to have knee jerk reactions to spread the own message.
All you have to do is voice it in a place where they are sure to hear it and they'll immediately rage and thus expand your audience.
Hardly anyone would have read Höcke's speech if he hadn't included the "Mahnmal der Schande" part for example.

>>134989684
It just costs 7€ i will buy 5

>>134989853
>Supporting the Jews
Upload it

>>134989579
try luftpost they have a translation directly under the german text

>>134990166
Muss noch arbeiten

Damn, author killed them self.

>>134990238
u mean he was ,,suicided,,

>>134990226
Link pls, geting lost in the German post office sites.

Ty for reccomendation

>>134990238
Two shots in the back of the head ?

>>134990511
http://www.luftpost-kl.de/luftpost-archiv/LP_16/LP12317_260717.pdf latest post
and here is something similar http://www.voltairenet.org/en

>>134990909

Thanks kraut anon

>>134979622
Germans banning books again...

>>134990800
kek

>>134981963
You think the people voting for their genocide are the type to read books or have a sense of history?

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G*r many, NO!

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>>134982960
>eventually removed them from the list to "not provide


well that means what OP "implied" is TRUE

>>134981963
The people buying books are not the average slave.

>>134983877
geh verrecken nigger cock liebhaber

>>134982235
>>134982302
>>134982668
>>134986348
>>134988594
>>134989408

If you want an English version of this book, i highly suggest, that you contact the publisher of this book here: https://antaios.de/kontaktformular

Vorname=Firstname
Nachname=Lastname
eMail
Betreff=Title
Kommentar=Your Text

If there is a demand, they may consider releasing an english eBook version of the book.

>>134981963
Lol thinks European elections aren't as fake as Africa's.

Only the US was real and that's cuz Trump has his own mob of fed up factory workers the mob wouldn't dare go against.

When the government is the union how do you rebel?

You're no longer a man. You're a pet.

>>134979622
They had a statement
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/literatur/finis-germania-und-die-spiegel-bestsellerliste-in-eigener-sache-a-1159667.html

>>134979622
kan someone post the iban pls ?

>>134994376
they released it a days after they deleted the book from the list the and first shitstorm happened. But the deleting move itself was without statement, I think they hoped no one would notice.

>>134979622
The wikipedia article is literally a fucking shill rant by literally who ""journalist""" Christopher Caldwell, absolutely pathetic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finis_Germania
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finis_Germania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finis_Germania
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finis_Germania

>>134994588
ISBN 9783944422503

>>134988954
lel, check out the shnoz on that roach