>White nationalist >Can't even define what white is

>>134841296
Huwhite nationalism is retarded and leads to cultural degeneracy and unneeded dilution between tribes.
However, that does not mean I'll allow my people or anyone's people to be destroyed via neither eradication nor intermingling. Humanity's genetic diversity is crucial biologically.

>>134842118
So you are for the preservation of every single human race on this planet, because you think they as races have worth in and of themselves?

Alright, two questions.

One; how exactly are you going to accomplish that.

Two; how exactly are you going to halt the process of evolution changing these races to the point of them not existing anymore?

>light skin & light hair & light eyes
Definitely white.
>light skin & light hair or light eyes
Probably white.
>light skin but dark hair and eyes
Maybe white, more information needed (like ethnic background, religion, etc.) to determine whiteness.

NB: Jews are an exception and are not counted as white, either from genetics or because they are perennial race traitors and have forsaken the right to be called white anyways.

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>>134841296
>>134842516

Also I wasn't posting for anyone else than you OP. You have misgivings about many things. Instead of making le epic troll threads you should instead help bring about proper discourse. This thread is WEAKsauce as far as bait goes.
Hell try reading Mein Kampf and Siege. Maybe you'll find you lean closer to fascist revolutionary ideals than cuckunism.

Also it is accomplished by self determination of peoples and evolution is inevitable and gradual. The self-suicide of the bloodline is the least desirable attempt to replicate and accelerate evolution and accomplishes nothing intended really.

>>134841296
People born in Europe or tracing their ancestry to Europeans

Pretty simple qualification

>>134842673
Hey thanks for replying to the thread without putting sage in the options field dickweed.
Kill yourself.

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>>134842673
>light skin & light hair & light eyes
>Definitely white.
I'm glad you accept this adorable child as being definitely white.

>>134842742
>How dare you ask a question about my beliefs which I cannot answer? Clearly you are a TROLL!

>>134842765
You too. Fuck off newfags this is a le troll thread. Leave it and stop bumping it to the top with your shitposts.


>>134842877
Read the rest of the post kid. I'm out.

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>>134841296

>leftists hate white privilege
>are so uninformed they have to ask people what a white person is

>>134842765
>People born in Europe or tracing their ancestry to Europeans
According to this definition a Nordic man and a Greek man are both white, but a Turk is not. Despite the fact that the Greek and Turk are far more genetically similar than the Nord and the Greek.

>>134842934
okay one final interjection
SAGE IN THE FUCKING OPTIONS FIELD TO NOT BUMP THE BAIT THREAD NEWFAG
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU MISERABLE AUSTRALIAN SHEEP SHAGGING POOFTER

>>134842673
Just looking white doesn't mean your children won't have some melanin in them if you have nonwhite DNA. Also, what about mischling Jews?

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>>134842673
>he determines if people are white from their skin
>not their nose

>>134842804

Would a more specific definition be someone with neanderthal heritage none of the African haplotypes and no denisovan/australoid ancestry? That basically leaves only pure Europeans (or almost pure)

>>134841296
Question, what is a real example of communism?
A. Soviet Union
B.North Korea
C. China
D. Made Up Fairyland

>>134842929
>How dare you ask questions about my own beliefs which I am completely incapable of answering!? I'm leaving!

>>134843026

I did sage, you retard.

pink nipples + round eyes = white

pretty simple

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>race war happens
>white ethnostate is formed
>DNA tests are issued
>45% of the race war veterans are deported or executed for having nonwhite or Jewish DNA they didn't even know about

Tell me this won't happen.

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>>134843120
>>134842804

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>>134841296
>Can't even define what white is

SJWs cannot figure out who is white unless they want to blame someone.

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>>134841296
>White nationalist
>>Can't even define what white is

>>134843270
this will happen. purity spiraling is a real thing. this is why white nationalism will never be a thing except in slav shitholes and backwards countries because their definition of white is so loose and non-specific that it's basically a reverse one drop rule as long as you look the part. >>134843156

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>>134841296
>White nationalist
>>Can't even define what white is
..

>>134842804
>tfw a female has the most masculine jaw

>>134841296
Its simple.
Anyone from Argentina is white.

>>134841296
Racial expert here. Ask me anything.

>>134841296
How the fuck do any of you all expect this to work? You can't have a white ethnostate in the U.S. I don't really know what to think of Spencer. I think he kind of makes young conservatives look bad.

>>134841296
Do black nationalists define it? What about Asians? Just because there are shades between yellow and orange that are difficult to call which category it belongs to doesn't mean that they are the same and there is no yellow. It also doesn't mean all yellow should be mixed with orange.
>>134843030
I think they can count as white if it's not maternally. They'd be counted as goys by the Jews and they were accepted in germany (as long as they didn't reproduce with other mischlings).

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i honestly think you folks label anyone who is pro Western, pro American or pro European as White nationalists.

Similar to you folks shutting down debate with the words like racist, sexist, xenophobic or islamaphobic.

Its not gonna work anymore sir. Trump is going to win in 2020 and conservative parties are going to dominate in the coming elections in Europe.

You have lost. Get over it.

>OP asks a simple question about a word which /pol/ uses all the time
>OP points out the obvious flaws in the definitions given
>/pol/ spergs out admitting they have no idea what the word actually means
Every time. I'll answer the question though. White is a term which became used in the colonial era to make distinctions between the European settlers and the natives. It was always a colonial term and was never really used in Europe until the era of mass migration, seeing as people from different nations were already seen as being genetically distinct. Polish and Italian immigrants were seen as being lesser races here in Denmark, for example. The European white nationalists are attempting of applying an American word for a race which doesn't exist to a place where that word NEVER belonged.

>>134842765
>people born in europe
by this definition my 4 hapa cousins are white along with half of the pakis and turks there

I think of anglo or of european descent when I think of white unless they're a colored individual

Like Varg or Richard would be examples of white but slavs/spaniards/italians wouldn't be white

>>134841296
>Seriously, why is this so hard for white nationalists?
when somebody ask ''whats white'' you instantly know that person is retarded and tries to score some weird retarded relativist point. its clear 99,9% of the time when somebody is white

>>134844239
I think they will succeed in getting white identity going. The Jewish governments are trying to tell people just because a shitskin was born on this piece of land or imported by cucks he is automatically Swedish, German, British or whatever the kike government says

>>134844492
Retardation. Slav/Spanish/Italian is not a signifier of race. One is a language group and the others are nationalities. Nationalities are barely 200 years old, race is thousands of years old. Language is irrelevant to race.

>>134844936
Are you stupid? Spanish, Slav and Italian are all ethnicities, they have their own unique genes

>>134844812
If it's that clear, then why are you unable to give a simple definition to the word?

>>134844812
>Tara McCarthy, open white nationalist, makes a video revealing that she's 1/8 Indian
>gets a ton of dislikes and people calling her a mudblood who would never be allowed in a white ethnostate
>EdgySphinx, half Egyptian skeptic Youtuber, "comes out" as a white nationalist
>gets a ton of dislikes and people calling him a mudblood who would never be allowed in a white ethnostate

Define "clear"

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>>134844492
Varg and Richard have to be 2 of the ugliest "superior Aryans" to walk the planet.
If aryans are so superior, why do they let shitskins invade their countries ? Why aren't they proactive ? They're like lazy niggers. It's the Jews doing it, right ? So, then they're the superior race maybe ? It's apparently either the Jews or arabs because they're invading or organizing the invasion of europe in record numbers and the "superior aryans" arent doing shit about it.

>>134845103
The borders of Europe have been reset hundreds of times. What is now Italy used to be Austria and vice versa. Slavs span the entire continent, a Belarussian is not identical to a Bulgarian. Spain is a confederation of different peoples as documented from antiquity to modern times. Even more so, the ancient european races were nomadic and thus not limited by land borders, but rather physical topology (mountain ranges etc.)

>>134841296
>White nationalist
>Jew
>Pure coincidence

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>>134844239
This such a retarded argument that I keep hearing over and over again. Listen faggots: not all yuropeons are created equal. If we're going to say that pan-Europeanism is bad, we might as well be honest about why it's bad. It's not bad because le polish identity will be lost. It's bad because it will dillute germanic and nordic blood. However, seeing the current state of yurop, if it's diluted with eastern yuro blood, rather than arabic or african, I think it's a compromise worth making.

>>134842118
This, pan europanism is cancer.

Also, reminder that (((Jared Taylor))) is pro Jew.

>>134843052
>Not their skull shape, nose, and forehead.

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>>134845657
Learn the FST

>>134845657
This is true. Also, the current Italian nationalist movements seek to separate northern Italy from southern Italy, because they see the northern Italians as being a different ethnic group than the southerners.

>>134845814
Why is it bad? I see you've got your flag on.

>>134845259
Tara McCarthy is also half Jew.

>>134843719
Yeah this is the real problem with white nationalism and why it probably won't work. Purity thinking will destroy the movement long before it can make any meaningful difference.

>>134841296
>attacking pro-white figures
sage, leftypol faggot.

The reason they won't try to define white is that they're intellectual cowards. They know they'll be forced into a quantitative statement such as "100% Aryan genes" (oh, 97% or higher? why not 96%?). And they know that they don't have 100% Aryan genes.

>>134845996
You're Jewish.

Crazy Hapas on Reddit care claiming that many White nationalists are marry Asian women.
Is this true?

>>134845996
I rest my case. You fuckers are doomed to purity spiral yourselves off a cliff.

>>134845939
Specific cultures. You don't want an Iberian to mix with a Russian nor Anglo with a Greek, etc as it would not only mix and dilute their genetics but also their culture.

>>134845894
I know what the FST is. How does your graph prove that Slavs, Italians and Spaniards aren't white exactly?

>>134846105
https://twitter.com/taramccarthy_14/status/887456034922668032

Here's proof

>>134841296
It's because they are controlled opposition, OP. They can't say anything their (((masters))) didn't previously approve of.

>>134845996
Do you pagan germophile faggots always label your former heroes as Jews or CIA operatives when you find out they're socialists ?

>>134841296
If you can't trace your families lines 500 years at the very least you are questionable. 99-100% Euro dna is white, lower than that is colonial/mixed.

>>134846180
The only culture worth preserving of the ones you listed is Anglo, and even that is highly, highly debatable.

>>134841296
you're a retard. You know if you're white, and I can tell to. You look it, and you act like it. Not very complicated, but you fucking autists malfunction at Spencer's (and other alt-right figureheads') hesitancy to give you some genetic equation for whiteness.

Stupid fucking jew

Basically, you can safely ignore the ass burgers until they give you a genetic description of white. Until they do, their movement has no intellectual/scientific foundation.

>>134842673
so it's 100% cosmetic

ok

>>134846249
>Pagan
I'm Catholic as was majority of NatSoc Germany.

>>134846270
Hello Schlomo.

>>134843772

You dumb faggot. Anyone can pick a hideous example of one race, and a beautiful example of another. How about you replace that chick with lena dunham.

>>134846145
Nah, but a lot of regular right-wing white men do. Based Stick Man, Mister Metokur, etc. Also, with the sheer number of weebs occupying the WN community, you have to suspect the secret Asian fetish runs strong here. Especially since most white women are whores.

>>134846216
Never said they were or weren't white, you said they were merely nationalities and/or language groups, you're conflating the Old World for the New World, in the Old World ethnic groups are associated with nationalities and language groups

>>134841296
Why does it need to be defined? You can establish a white ethnostate without ever specifying race. Just revoke the civil rights act, eliminate welfare, and wait a few generations.

>>134846376
Lena Dunham is a Jew.

>>134846303
Today, in vacuous pseudo-intellectual prattle - behold:

>>134846303
>their movement has no intellectual/scientific foundation
How about pro-European.

>>134846351
>I'm Catholic as was majority of NatSoc Germany.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, you're a larper with no arguments.

>>134846351
You worship the sun god apollo then.
You're a pagan.

>>134844112
Am I white?

>>134846454
You're an intellectual coward. Your movement is for weak minds such as yours. You know you don't have 100% Aryan genes, which is why you're forced to perform all your lame mental gymnastics.

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Ancestors native to Europe = white

>>134846376
What? Dude no one argues blacks are hideous and white aesthetics are superior.... Literally look at the culture around u lol

>>134846390
Your graph (without Bulgarians conveniently edited out) proves that Slavs are not a genetic group as you claimed. They cluster with Romanians, not Russians. Same with North & South Italians.

>>134846255
That is a pathetic criteria. Whites, as the race with the highest capacity have abstract thought, have always moved about the world willfully to escape imminent threats.

White flight is not a meme. For you to claim whites are only those people stupid enough to endure their own torture is to reject the very thing which makes whites white.

>>134846561
Oh, you're a leftoid. This is how leftypol addresses the race issue.

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>>134846462
Wrong, watch the greatest story never told.

>>134846489
>Sun God Apollo
Is this some (((Zeitgeist))) kike disinfo?

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>>134841296
Reason he doesn't or anybody for that matter is so we don't alienate potential allies, thought you commies where smart......oh wait thats right.

>>134846561
>100% Aryan genes
What does that mean you larping kang?

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Outside of looking like a white person you must also be genetically white: aka of European mix - see 23&ME.

then there is culturally white:
white people are a minority in the world and should be protected and allow to keep and secure their homelands.

most white people have Christianity somewhere in their background, most have or do celebrate Christian/Pagan Holidays.

they have no problem eating pork and eating dairy and meat together, but that can change if one becomes a vegetarian or is raised as such.

white people generally like to work and contribute to making society better, they like to help.
white people like to learn new things and be involved.
white people enjoy being around other white people, people who look like they do.
white people are curious and have an average IQ that is over 100.

white people enjoy western civilization which wouldn't exist without them. that does not mean other races can not appreciate western civilization that white culture brings.

White people ended all forms of slavery.

If you are of mixed race you'd have to be at least 90% European white, you also need the Neanderthal gene and you must love western civilization and wish for it to prosper.

>>134846643
99-100% European dna is pathetic criteria? Explain without the extra faggy flourishes.

>>134846561
Could I be as much of a cuck as the men of Europe while they watch their land be invaded by shitskins and their women raped if I had 100% aryan genes?

>>134846668
If you don't have 100% Aryan genes, then give me a cut-off point and explain why it's not arbitrary. You won't. And that's why thinking people will never take you seriously. Enjoy the dumb rednecks.

>>134846677
No, dude. Come on.
That info isn't hard to find.

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>>134846677
kys immediately

>>134846798
Why do I have to give you anything?

>>134845996
2% actually you stupid faggot larping as a nazi

>>134846798
>>134846718
Read.

>>134846745
>90% European white
Good luck finding anyone with that pure of DNA outside of Europe.

>>134846745
All 23&me does is a simple comparison of your DNA with various native populations. The problem is that with the "new French" and "new Germans" there is not an absolute measure of what "native" means.

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>>134846843
>No dude that info isn't hard to find
Then you could provide some sources.

>>134846864

>>134846798
Dna tests are often wrong so you need a small margin of error (less than 1% in my opinion). You should also have a verifiable family tree.

>>134846996
You'd be surprised America has remained surprised white where it matters

>>134846798
How about instead you explain to us how that would make you superior while keeping in mind the whole world is watching your Aryan homeland be invaded by shitskins while your superior genes do nothing.

>>134843366
>North Africans, Indians and Iranians
>European

That graph is bullshit.

>>134846937
>2%
>2nd generation Holocaust survivor

Sure thing Schlomo.

>>134847064
They weren't catholics you stupid fuck. They were protestant. You are worthless. Absolutely fucking useless.

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Descending from these places

>>134846749
Often throughout history, white persons simply had to move to secure the existence of their people and a future for their children.

>>134846996
Why do I keep reading that.. Most American whites have 95+% European DNA.
>>134846798
There is no cut-off point because it's binary. You're either white or not.

>>134846561
Wow, you somehow topped your empty casuistry with even more retardation.... Any arguments in that thick somali skull uh yours?

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>>134841296
>Can't even define what white is
Just go down to Kroger and put an application in. I know rounding up shopping carts and ringing a register isn't the most glamorous jobs in the world but it would put some $ in your pocket and get your folks off your ass .

>>134847144
There Caucasians/indo europeans look it up

ITT: A guy with 10% 'kike' genes can still be white unless anyone gives a cogent explanation why he's not white. Same goes for 2% 'kike' genes... 1% 'kike' genes.

Unless you're prepared to state that you must have 100% Aryan genes to be white, of course, which you won't do, because none of you can demonstrate you pass.

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>>134847152
>1 single grandma who wasnt fully jewish

go away nazi larper

>>134841296
White nationalism is controlled opposition in most forms as is Richard Spencer

>>134846996
Pretty ridiculous statement, even colonials only tend to have 3% or less non-European dna.

>>134847255
You are a coward. I'm asking you for a definition of white that isn't replete with weasel words and waffle. You fucking weakling.

>>134847305
That's true. If you have a non-white great-grandparent seems like a reasonable cutoff point.

>>134847304

They might be caucasoid but they aren't "white".

>>134847213
Usually they didn't move to non-European countries so what's your point? I think my criteria is pretty good.

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>>134846996
Me nigger

>>134847333
>Indian flag
might as well put a kekistain flag up kid maybe your B8 will get better

>>134847064
Nigger, google that shit.
Constantine was a pagan.

>>134847374
Wow u rly must be a nigger if you're having this much trouble with reading comp

>>134841296
>white
Blonde hair, blue eyes, 6ft tall, 80% general scandinavian, Nordic physical structure, IQ within the general range of the above 50% of Scandinavians ("that rules out 51% of physical whites," you're right.)
>but most people find that too exclusive
irrelevant.
>>134842118
I agree.
>>134842516
>one
details details, but if we must be exact then we should try a number of things, racial hygiene policies, racial benefits, procreation camps, ancestry beneficiaries, false wars, racial propaganda. Those are just a few, ask if you need me to elaborate.
>two
You still possess an unbroken lineage, race is more than physical. It is an ancestral spiritual connection, evolution is a flow of genes through the generations, not a mixing of radically genes in current generations.
>inb4 no spirituality
you have a commie flag so I assume you chain yourself to the dogmatic doctrine of materialism, so I don't really care if you disagree on the spiritual aspect of racial lineage.

>>134847550
Define white. INB4 evasion.

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>>134847189
Right, Adolf Hitler, born in Austria, was a protestant, here he is with Protestant leadership.

Though the claims that Adolf, Goebbels, Himmler, etc are pagans are facetious, usually deriving from them having parades or just imagery (even though Hitler always had his Iron Cross on) as well as borrowed from Persian imagery as well.

>>134847620
>>134847383

>>134847436
Yeah but mixing with him would be a better option then most and when I saying mixing I mean if there a male or female with some of there genes

>>134847620
>Define white
>>134847595
>Blonde hair, blue eyes, 6ft tall, 80% general scandinavian, Nordic physical structure, IQ within the general range of the above 50% of Scandinavians ("that rules out 51% of physical whites," you're right.)
>>but most people find that too exclusive
>irrelevant.

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>>134847550
It's a contrived leftist talking point.
>DEFINE 100% ARYAN GENES OR NO ONE IS WHITE HURR DURR

>>134845158
anyone born of 2 parents of European descent sounds good

>>134845259
>gets a ton of dislikes and people calling her a mudblood who would never be allowed in a white ethnostate
>ton
>literally a fringe group of larpers and shills

its very clear for anyone who isnt trying to be a faggot on purpose. take 1000 person outside garanteed you can tell if somebody is white with a >99% accuracy

>>134847521
This isn't bait its the truth, the countries that need Hwhite nationalism are a product of colonialism an inherently anti race concept I guess they deserve the limbo they trapped themselves in even Rockwells solutions is not rational

>>134847383
That's still too much admixture, holy shit.

>>134847647
That's just kicking the can down the road. What's a non-white great-grandparent? It brings us back to the original question.

>>134847529
>Constantine was pagan
Even though he had Christian priests as advisers. That doesn't make Christianity = Apollo worship though.

>>134847620
European

>>134847645
Oh, so they used pagan symbolism to appeal to the vast christian majority in germany? Never post again.

>>134847786
A ~90% pure person of a different race.

>>134847762
That's the cutoff point for citizenship. Also check the Nuremberg laws. This is actually stricter.

>>134847678
>>Blonde hair, blue eyes, 6ft tall, 80% general scandinavian, Nordic physical structure, IQ within the general range of the above 50% of Scandinavians

OK, so Richard Spencer isn't white, and Adolf Hitler wasn't white. If you agree with that, I appreciate your consistency.

>>134841296
The people of Europe. I don't agree with splitting up European groups that are clearly white based on values or shared history. White defines reality based on what we see, same as every other race. Do not change the word white to fit a definition it was never meant to fill. If you want to refer to social behavior, heritage, culture, or anything besides the pigmentation of their skin, use another word. Specify Aryan or whatever you have to do.

>>134841296
Any native european who isn't a slav. There you go

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>>134843127
>One; how exactly are you going to accomplish that.
By halting radical open-border immigration policies, encouraging pro-homogeneous cultural attitudes, and establishing a strong ethnic state reinforced by tradition and camaraderie.

>Two; how exactly are you going to halt the process of evolution changing these races to the point of them not existing anymore?

Through what's listed above. We must wake people up to destructive leftist ideologies such as cultural marxism, and then we can present a door which leads to racial pride eventually resulting in the succumbing of ethnic states once again. Btw Natural evolutionary process should not be forced through open borders and interbreeding between inferior races. That's going backwards, not forwards.

Someone of European ancestry. Pretty simple!

>>134847930
And Nathan Damigo isn't white, either, being under 6ft tall. Good to know.

>>134847920
>Oh, so they used pagan symbolism to appeal to the vast christian majority in germany?
Yes, you dumbfucking idiot!
No one knew what the hell paganism was in 1930s Germany. All they saw were some neat symbols which seemed vaguely familiar in a spiritual sense.
What better way to spread propaganda than to have something which is to them unwittingly mysterious, inviting, "familiar", pro-Germanic, and non-threatening at the same time?

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>>134847995
Rude. Maybe restrict it to Poles.

>>134847920
If your kids won't be born 100% European descent you should not be allowed citizenship, imho. Might be too harsh for some but if we are just fucking around with ideas it's not unreasonable.

>>134847920
Look the standard for white varies among many and the leaders of this new fatherland would be wise to not hold people to the fire on this question which is what there doing, you can here subjective opinions here but no objective truths

>>134847436
They are effectively white, genetically (where unmixed, which might be another story). The only differences are cultural and religious. It's retarded to conflate white genetics with European ethnicity, which includes culture and heritage.

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>>134847930
>>134848099
>I will name these non-whites and this will mean something????
???

>>134848193
Of course and understandable but I was implying without saying it that the person be compatible with our culture

>>134848124
I could never accept disgusting Poles as being white. They are the Mexicans of Europe

>>134841296
Never post this fucker again

>>134848201
No, assuming they're accepted as non-white given the only definition of white I've been offered, I applaud the consistency.

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>>134843654
Spot on

>>134847995
Yeah, the countries that didn't have the benefit of becoming Roman colonies (the original western civilization, along with the Greeks), are obviously not white. It's not that they didn't receive the same jack-knife of development as your home country did. We're talking about people who were still tribal into the 13th century. They were at the same level of development as your shitty ancestors before they were invaded by Rome.

>>134843000
Your logic is literally:
>the height cutoff is 6 feet
>but the 5'11 guy is closer to the 6' guy than the 6' guy is to the 6'5 guy
>therefore a height cutoff doesn't make sense

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>>134848336
:^)

Whites belong to R1a, I2, N, and R1b haplogroups. Case closed.

>people falling for this commie's Frankfurt School-tier reductio-ad-infinitum shit

Everybody knows what white is, especially the left, since they're constantly attacking it.

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>>134847920
I'm sure Germany had a huge Zoroastrian population in the 1930s-1940s esp w/ the usage of Aryan.

>>134848416
And I1

>>134848326
I see your point. In any case, Britain should be British only, maybe a few Western Europeans.

>>134848416
You left out E-V13, it's native to Europe.

>>134841296
Hey /pol

Just stopping in to remind you all that the western legal system has already decided you are all criminals and treated your fathers as such randomly. Half of you have been taught to hate and betray your own fathers by lying cheating women, who destroyed your childhoods and your fathers for a little cash and because they were bored. A reminder that police and those who work in prisons are part of a for profit industry based on criminalising men and fathers and that you are all on here dribbling on about natsoc and communism without realising the knock could come on your door and put you in jail or take away you children for the rest of your life just based on a few words from a woman. Always remember that any man who works as in the police, courts or prisons supporting this system and making money from it should be shunned by other men and considered an enemy, a traitor and a subhuman.

>>134841296
Ethnically European. Aryan/Nordic, Latin/Hellenic and Slavic are the main groups left but also Gauls, Picts, Scots, Celts ect.

>>134848115
Fuck off, you faggot. So they used pagan symbolism because it looked cool, but they weren't pagans themselves? What a dumb faggot you are.

>>134848137
Absolutely not. If you race mix, you doom at least 3-4 generations of your descendants to life without citizenship.

>>134848430
Seriously, you're so stupid it hurts to read your posts. Why use pagan symbolism if they were not pagans? And the eagle comes from Rome, you absolute mouthbreather.

>>134841296
People of European descent, with Europe ending where Turkey and Russia begins. There, wasn't hard. Anyway, I'm not a mystery meat burgerblood so I can just identify as a British nationalist. Continental cucks get off my islands, thanks.

>>134848520
>Hey /pol
INB4 jocks, get out! uhave2goback!

>>134848345
Oh, come on now, nigger. You don't think we're that dumb, do you?
>>134848422
It's actually a giant post hoc by implication fallacy, don't let the dumb niggers know or they might tell the CIA and undermine /pol/

>>134848515
Yeah that one too

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>>134848416
Better invite all those R1b Africans into your ethnostate then.

>>134848538
You're a conceited kike. Using non-Christian symbol =/= pagan.

>Eagle comes from Rome
Different styles, 3rd reich's imperial eagle is stylistically closer to Faravahar's style vs Rome's imperial eagle and 2nd Reich's imperial eagle.

>>134848589
Russians are white

>>134848663
I should have specified R1b1a1a2

>>134848663
No niggers in the white ethnostate u fucking retard

>>134848538
No one said they weren't pagans, dumb kike.
They didn't use pagan symbolism solely because they were pagans, they needed symbolism for their movement, they had multiple reasons to adopt pagan symbolism, refer to my previous post.
>inb4 muh christfags
I swear if you're a pagan, you better not be because you are nu-/pol/ as fuck.

>>134848663
In any case I think you knew I was referring to the European sub-groups

>>134842804
I don't think that babies eyes are blue. I had hair and eyes exactly like that as a baby and child and grew into having brown hair and eyes. I think it's the slavic genetics that do that

>>134848626
I know from experience not to expect a precise definition of white that doesn't reek of arbitrariness, so I'm glad to have discovered a consistent one at least.

There seems to be no objection to my suggestion that Richard Spencer, Nathan Damigo, and Adolf Hitler aren't/weren't white, which means the definition of white I've been offered passes a rough test of consistency, and I applaud that. I don't expect to get much more than that.

>>134848538
This is why my line is drawn at greater than 99% as it's within margin of interpretive error. But a great grandparent of non-Euro descent would give you too much admixture to wash out in a generation, corrupting the entire gene pool.

>>134848663
Why? They aren't European R1b, therefore not white.
You do realize you are giving us the freedom to be as specific as possible, we might as well make a list of every single white individual around.
Also the inability to apply an immediate taxonomy does not mean one can not or should not be applied.

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>>134842673
>religion affects whiteness
It does for Judaism as they claim they are not white themselves, but would a white Muslim be white in your eyes? Pic related is Bosnians

>>134848687
It's not non-christian symbolism. It's pagan. You fucking idiot.

As for the eagle, it was used by the holy roman empire, the second reich and the third reich. It comes from Rome. It fucking looks Roman.

>>134848814
>No one said they weren't pagans, dumb kike.
This is what started the conversation:
>Though the claims that Adolf, Goebbels, Himmler, etc are pagans are facetious
Summarily kill yourself.

>>134846766
Yes you could. It's called propaganda from birth

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>>134848846
White is not an arbitrary category. It is the European genetic cluster with its various phenotypes. Richard Spencer, Nathan Damigo and Adolf Hitler are all white.

>>134848846
>I know from experience not to expect a precise definition of white

Where do you get your "experience", exactly? YouTube comments?

>>134848870
1/8th is a lot, but this would be a pathway to citizenship once the ethnostate is brought to fruition. It's not necessarily needed, but it's a softer approach to integrating people who are half-white or quarter-white.

>>134845762
>It's not bad because le polish identity will be lost. It's bad because it will dillute germanic and nordic blood. However, seeing the current state of yurop, if it's diluted with eastern yuro blood, rather than
show your flag you fucking nigger. You sound like a fucking nigerian.

>>134848846
Define arbitrary.
So what does it mean to you that such figures are not white?
Does this mean they can not be advocates for whites?
As if an advocate of Marx could not be a Marxist because he is not ideal Marx himself imagined.
I thought you'd catch on by now, it appears you haven't, no I'm not calling you a Marxist (you have plausible deniability and would deny on the sole basis of disagreement alone). But what I am saying is that my definition is a racial ideal which can be met, those who can not meet it, niggers, spics, arabs, chinks, need not apply for the greater European ethno-state. The foundation and basis for the ethno-state is the ability to strive for the ideal.
Hitler, Richard Spencer, and Nathan Domingo are thus by adherence to an ideal "whitians".
By breeding with those within their specific subgroup of general Europeans of general Indo-Euro descent they can reach the white ideal while other non-Europeans can breed as much as they want and not achieve this ideal.

>>134848997
Yea Muslims can be White but doesnt mean they're allowed in an ethno state though. We wouldnt take a white heroine addict either

>>134849229
I'm not showing you shit bitch. The proof is in the pudding. The only race that built anything worthwhile in yurop was nordic/germanic.

>>134849177
Like I said earlier there is no set definition on what white is because if there was we would turn away potential allies, there aren't a army of 100 percent whites waiting on a order from Mr Hitler anymore honestly the amount of us that are remotely red pilled is pathetic

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It is very easy really. Solely by means of physical evaluation you can tell if someone is white. If you want an exhaustive list of characteristics you can refer to the physical anthropologists of the past century. DNA testing is largely redundant in obviously white populations.

>>134845380
The invasion started before we were children. We will see it reversed or destroy the country

>>134849390
>I'm not showing you shit bitch.
>t. Mongrel playing in his white ethnostate sandbox dream that is literally as retarded as niggers complaining for reparations.
kys

>>134849008
>This is what started the conversation
If someone else said it why are you so bootyblasted at me?
>though the claims
I didn't claim anything, you fucking mongoloid!
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>134849390
The Romans and Greeks weren't Nordic or Germanic.

>>134849306
You genuinely think that Richard Spencer is not white you clown?

>>134849528
You barged into the conversation I had with someone else:
>>134847645

>>134849514
Your point is? Are poles on par with Germans, or am I misunderstanding you?

>>134849543
The "Romans" and "Greeks" were lead by germanic tribes back then. Why do you think they're so shit today?

>>134849543
There dumb this whole movement has been co-opted by people who need a safe space

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Well, for starters, I would say European obviously, but could potentially include some people from North Africa and Near East/Middle East.

Most groups might define themselves by which historic groups they claim descent from. In this case, you could say those who descend from a mix of Western Hunter gatherers, neolithic farmers, and Yamnaya people Indo Europeans), are white. This means genetically of course, written in your blood.

>>134849210
That defeats the purpose.

>>134849750
>The "Romans" and "Greeks" were lead by germanic tribes back then. Why do you think they're so shit today?
You can't be serious. Are you one of those people who believes that Greece was settled by Nordic tribes?

>>134849390
>nordic/germanic
Just say Germanic with Germanic subgroups, Nordics (Scandis), Saxons(English and Germans), Franks (the French [not the Italian kind] who are genetically the same as Germans but culturally different), Lombards (Swiss), Balts (Estonians), Gothics (Germanics living in Eastern Europe).
The Scottish should be honorary Aryans.

>>134849750
>The "Romans" and "Greeks" were lead by germanic tribes back then.
No they were not.
>Why do you think they're so shit today?
Bevause civilizations tend to fall. The Germanic civilization is much younger and is already failing.

>>134849750
literally because niggers are washing up on their shores lmao. For an adroit nigger jew you failing to see the irony in that gives me a soft jolt of amusement.

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>>134849627
>Richard Spencer
>Literally has manboobs that you don't even have to photo-shop to make even worse
that dude's a genetic abomination. he is the archetype NEET phenotype if he gained a little more weight. If not for his 'muh white ethnostate' and the wave of retards he's coaxed into giving him money, he'd be another typical loser. Now he's just a racist one.

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>>134841296
It's almost like white nationalists are fucking dumb

>>134849627
He is not the white ideal which is considered 100% White. He is close to attaining the ideal and is thus infused with the essence of whiteness.
>>134849750
>You barged into the conversation I had with someone else
You we're saying some retarded shit and what kind of friend would I be to let you go one looking the fool?

>>134849978
Your ideological differences with Richard Spencer do not make him non-white. You are probably a shitskin yourself judging by your defensive reaction to white nationalism.

>>134849978
Who said we are anything but racist losers?
We always win in the end because our race is our trap card.

>>134841296
All these hardcore anti richard shill posters make me believe he is a genuine guy. Certainly not perfect, but a real guy that stands for his beliefs.

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>>134850069
TOP FUCKING KEK
>close to attaining
>essence of whiteness
lArPInG pretty hard there bud 10/10

>>134842742
IronMarch quotes. The owner of that place is a non white spic who is legit an autist

>>134849857
Not really. A very small percentage of US population is mixed race, and it's even smaller in Europe.

>>134849910
>>134849909
Yep.

>>134849966
They were shit long before the current year.

>>134850069
It wasn't retarded in context. They used pagan symbols because they were pagans and wanted to spread paganism.

>>134849008
THE IMPERIAL EAGLE OF THE 1ST AND 2ND REICH IS OF ADIFFERENT STYLE COMPARED TO THE ONE OF THE 3RD REICH.

>>134850069
Richard looks 100% by phenotypical standards. Uness you have evidence to the contrary, like his DNA study revealing a nigger ancestor, then he is 100% white. Whether he appeals to you personally is irrelevant to his racial status.

>>134850335
>you thinking niggers are new to the mediterranean
my sides hurt a little bit from that one

>>134849750
>Romans and Greeks were led by Germanics
Ah ok you're a we wuz roman shieet. Let me guess are you a swede by any chance or follow that fool Varg?

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>>134849847
Whiteness of course is a pan-Europeans concept, brought about during colonial times when europeans would often come into contact with people who were vastly different from them. Not middle easterners who look a little different but can occasionally pass for European, but Natives in the New World, blacks in Africa, and Indians. When compared to these races, the difference, whether culturally or racially, between, say, a Dutchman or a Portuguese man becomes hard to see, This applies to former European colonies, where mixed Europeans have to coexist with other races, but in Europe, it is probably more desirable to retain they're identities. The hard question then, is where are the lines drawn? is there a Germanic race? Which areas of people belong to it? Is there a Mediterranean race? are a Portuguese and a Greek the same, like a Prussian and a Norwegian might be the same? Should basques and Galicians be absorbed into a greater Spaniard nation, or do they qualify as their own nation of people?

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This has gotten so funny and threads like these usually do, super trolls come out saying super nazi shit even nazis would double take on
>essence of whiteness
GTFOutta here KEK

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>>134850423
dude...

>>134850488
I didn't say that. I just said that the Greeks of today, are the same mud people of yesteryear. Minoans and all those faggots. The Aryans came to Greece, beat the shit out of them, built a civilization, and then as always, let the kikes in and started race-mixing.

>>134850501
Take off that false flag.

>>134850335
I'll stick with my ideals, have a good night.

>>134850250
>he hasn't read any classical philosophy
Low IQ
>>134850428
>Uness you have evidence to the contrary
lacks blond hair
>whether he appeals to you personally
what??
>100% white
I already set forth the white ideal which is only attainable by those infused with the essence of whiteness, Richard is obviously not the ideal but he has the capacity within him to procreate toward the ideal.
>>134850335
>They used pagan symbols because they were pagans and wanted to spread paganism
prove to us that such is the only reason
Are you saying they separated paganism and national socialism and that paganism being spread was an entirely separate agenda from the spread of national socialism?
Stop being retarded and disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

>>134850501
RROMA VICTOR

>>134850710
>The Aryans came to Greece, beat the shit out of them, built a civilization, and then as always, let the kikes in and started race-mixing.
So the Aryans impose self defeating racial destruction wherever they go?

>>134850786
TOP FUCKING KEK bruh you should just clone yourself and make a nation of (You)

>>134850786
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm disagreeing with the guy who said they weren't pagans. That's the conversation. He said they used the symbols exclusively for esthetic reasons.

>>134850864
I mean, can you even deny it at this point?

>>134841296
Blacks don't have to define what being black is, even though there are dozens of different ethnicites of "black". Abbos have been pushing Rap as Abbo culture in Australia now even though it's as far from Abbo as you can get. Nobody questions it cause "lol black culture".

TL;DR, we don;t have to answer your stupid fucking question.

>>134850786
>lacks blond hair
Yeah, and? Your ideal =/= objective reality. Objective reality is that 100% whites come in all hair colors.

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>>134850864
This is all I see

>>134846376
Lena Duhnam is a Jew.

>>134850786
What makes you think that non-blonde hair is not white? Why is red hair not white? what about green eyes? Do you really think that the people of Germany or England are so much different in terms of behavior, intelligence and culture?

>>134841296

White are those who both:
1) Others see as white
2) See themselves as white

>B-but what about Jews
In most cases they are detected as Jews and not seen as white (1 is broken) and virtually all of them don't see themselves as white (2).

Find an issue with this definition, I dare you.

>>134851255
It's funny because the English did not consider Germans white when they defined whiteness.

Test

>>134851473
Abbos aren't even human, let alone white.

>>134851473
Way I saw it

Are Italians niggers?

>>134841296

>This thread
> defining race, based on genetics

A group of ethnic peoples are related through both blood and spirit.

>blood
When I say my last name is O'Neil, no one wonders if I am related by ancestry to a person of Irish decent.

>spirit
I am more lenient than most with this definition. "One who identifies with a traditional culture and nationality of Europe."

If you are a mixed child with a name like "Robertson", and can prove European heritage, and identify with a European nation, then you are white.

>>134851394
Sounds like an ignorant definition of whiteness from a bygone era.

>>134851012
>>TOP FUCKING KEK bruh you should just clone yourself and make a nation of (You)
>"I am retarded"
>>134851060
Then you should both split the difference. The Nazis used paganism because they were pagans but also because it appealed to non-pagans in a sort of latent form of lost spirituality.
>can you even deny it
I would say the Greeks and Romans aren't Aryan and we don't need to therefore follow in their footsteps as if they were our ancestors. I would prefer that my Scandinavian heritage remain as my ancestors gave and received it, pure Scandinavian.
>>134851080
>Your ideal =/= objective reality
That's the whole point, dicklick. An ideal is something that aim to shape reality after. Life imitates art.
>>134851087
>If I call him a Jew then people will not suspect me as being Jewish
>>134851255
>What makes you think that non-blonde hair is not white?
not part of the ideal.
>green eyes
not part of the ideal
>inb4 grey eyes
They are above whites, remnant of Atlantian tier, but one must begin as a pure white to reach this point.
>do you really think that....
Germans and Englishmen are similar in culture and race, they have the essence of whiteness within them.
>>134851526
>Saxon idealism
If only... Perhaps in another, whiter, life.

>>134849334
So you wouldn't take these two in even if they were hardworking members of society?
I'm not hating on your philosophy, and their numbers are small and irrelevant, just wondering.

>>134851782
I like that last point, but I feel like it's inevitably going to create the right-wing equivalent of the transgender craze, which I feel a lot of white nationalists won't be on board with. "I self-identify as a white male."

>>134852412
because to add to this, I'd happily take them here in CA as we need any help we can get in the whiteness department

>>134852133
So you are literally just claiming that 90% of Europeans are not white because they don't fit your personal ideal.

>>134851869
Why are the people who defined whiteness ignorant and you aren't?
>>134852133
If your point was that you want to improve the quality of whites, then you shouldn't have made a quantitative argument. Richard Spencer is 100% white as we speak today, even if you dream of whiteness being something better in a 100 years. Scandinavians, not even once. Varg is your biggest philosopher, what a clown.

>>134852133
Well, the Aryans, which are the youngest race of this time cycle, had to go through different periods of awakening. The latest awakening was the Awakening of Blood, and let's not forget that 70 years is nothing from the perspective of history.

>>134852598
Because it's obvious bullshit to make any real distinction between Englishmen and Germans genetically. To imply that one is white and one isn't is ludicrous on levels that shouldn't even be possible.

>>134852638
Literal theosophist LARPing. I can just see the 50 year old schizos behind these posts. Utter losers, disgrace of your family and your race, speaking of 'ideals'.
>>134852881
You are mistaken.

>>134853046
K

>>134852543
Yes. Why is that a bad thing? This doesn't make them persona non-grata in terms of being a racial/spiritual group.
>>134852598
>improve the quality of whites
By setting the ideal white man.
Idiot, how else do you expect a fucking ideal to come about?
>Richard Spencer is 100% white
You can be a good man without being 100% good.
>Varg
Varg is a clown but he's right on race. I have yet to see anyone overturn any point he has made. The Nordic ideal is the white ideal.
>>134852881
Who making a distinction between Englishmen and Germans?
They are both infused with the essence of whiteness.

>>134853046
How the fuck are you a race realist if you don't believe that you can improve the race through proper breeding?

>>134852429
That's why I have the ancestry qualifiers. Simply "identifying" as a group, is not good enough. It's a combination of both blood and spirit.

Thanks!

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>>134853142
here
>>134851394
>>134851526
>>134852133
>>134853046

>>134853142
>Yes. Why is that a bad thing? This doesn't make them persona non-grata in terms of being a racial/spiritual group.

Alright maybe change your vocabulary to prevent long drawn out arguments like this in the future?

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>>134850086
>>134850204
Neither of you seem to be able to argue my point, which is that the dude is a total loser. Why can't white nationalists ever look like pic-related these days? Do you know why?
I know, it's because they're a bunch of shut in losers or the same old southern hicks. Go back to stormfront you niggers.

>>134841296
Celtic, Germanic, Saxon and Latin.

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>>134853484
>being an unironic nazi faggot
Here's what actual Nazis looked like. Kys.

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>>134853633
DAILY REMINDER THAT JEWS ARE BOTH WHITE AND SUPERIOIR TO WHITES BECAUSE OF THEIR TEN POINT AVERAGE HIGHER IQ. KYS GOYIM.

>>134853774
Aren't there more smart whites than there are smart jews? Quantitatively speaking.

>>134853774
just look at those pecs. kek! I bet RIchard Spencer is envious, not only of his superior form, but also superior intellect and success in the most prestigious field there is in modern times.

>>134842804
are you blind? this child eyes are brown

>>134846996
>4

77% of Americans identify as white
60% in Canada

but let's see your data, if you got any?

I don't know where you get the idea that Americans have been race mixing, according to the US census less than 3% identify as mixed race.

For the longest time most Native Americans identified as white, but that all changed in the 70s and 80s - people today don't claim to be a different race unless they are mentally ill.

I expect the number of race mixing to go up in the short term, but it will not be a great loss to the white race when you look closer at the people who are actually mixing. A big chuck of race mixing over the last decade has been fostered by the media, popular culture and broken homes. The white identity movement is putting the brakes on that fad.

Don't kid yourself white people aren't the only ones concerned, blacks have been speaking out about race mixing for a long time and are now becoming more vocal and vigilant in their tone. Most are more Malcolm X than MLK these days.

Asian have always been rather exclusive, especially east Indian and Japanese.

China's problem right now is they have more men than women, drowning female babies has caught up with them, but now that they have stepped back from the one child policy and seem to be cherishing their females now they should get back on track.

Africa is a bit up in the air unless you're Muslim or Christian., but for all the whites and blacks in Africa over the years mixed cultures is ones thing but mixed race... mostly Asian and black. South America is another story.

Jews in Israel are totally against race mixing, their policy is to lock black migrants up at night so they do not start messing with their women. Same with the Arabs nations.

How people can look the other why when it comes to the middle east, Japan, India and China and yet have a big problem when white people want to protect their race and restore their culture, seems a bit unfair and prejudice.

>>134842673
>NB: Jews are an exception and are not counted as white

So Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump aren't white? Okay, dumb fuck.

>>134853849
clever is often times too clever, if you read their history it's what always gets them kicked out eventually, it's a curse and one even their God pointed out in their books.

>>134855123
You're missing the issue here. Identifying as white =/= being white. Plenty of people who identify as white actually have some or a lot of nonwhite DNA, but that doesn't mean they see themselves as mixed-race. Heck, I'd venture to guess that a lot of them don't even know about it.
>77% of Americans identify as white
And yet census data reveals that only 54% of Americans are actually white. Notice the problem here? Look at "white" nationalists like Tara McCarthy, Braving Ruin, Brittany Venti, etc. All mixed-race. Look at all those Hapa "white" nationalists out there. Who do you count as white?

>>134855391
actually Ivanka is white, she tried to convert, but the leading rabbi in Israel won't recognize her as being a Jew.

So it's an argument between the reform and the orthodox.

Frankly I don't know why she married him, he said he wouldn't marry her unless she was Jewish and they broke up, but I guess converting was good nuff for him. Course her old man's money, influence, power,,,, who knows. his family is an embarrassment.

She's taken to it, probably more so than most Jews in the US. She could have had just about any man too, but she likes being part of that in-crowd of Jewish elite liberals - so who knows.


Her children will never be recognized as Jews because it's passed down through the mother - read your Torah to find out why- but if her kids marry Jews the sons will be fine, the girl's children will need a few generations to be accepted as true.

>>134842804
Reminder that Vargfags consider this Orc white but not someone like Robert Downey Jr because his eyes & hair are dark.

>>134855871

thanks for pointing that out. all these white nationalists barely look white

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>>134846561
>You know you don't have 100% Aryan genes,

Define Aryan genes dumb fuck. It's a made up race. Completely fucking arbitrary. BLONDE HAIR, BLUE EYES, WHITE SKIN! OOOOOH!!!!! ARYAN!

By those standards even Hitler was not "Aryan".

The term "Aryan" comes from the pre-Trinity view of Christianity that occurred during late Antiquity. It was Trinitarians vs Aryans (meaning those who viewed God, Holy Spirit, and Christ as equals versus those who saw God as superior to Christ.)

So Aryan Christians who came about during late Antiquity as promoted by Athanasius of Alexandria who was almost certainly GREEK is now a blonde haired and blue eyed race?

Go fuck yourself you cum guzzling cuckold faggot dick sucker. Kill yourself by shoving a shot gun up your ass and pulling the trigger multiple times while lighting yourself on fire you goddamn dumb fuck. Why do stupid faggot fucks like you even type on 4chan? I literally want you to die as you're reading this you goddamn faggot fucking shit hole faggot fuck dick licking piece of intellectual feces faggot cock sucker.

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>>134843270
The categories aren't hard to fit into, nigger.

White is a silly term because it lends itself to be taken to literal, as in who is pale enough to be white. It also leads to the American ideal of equalizing, in the sense that all white people are "good" and equally so because they are all white and must be the same.

Grouping slavs, scandis, celts, meds, germanics and all the other smaller ethnic groups of Europe together as white and therefore the same is just a sloppy simplification race. It leads to endless arguments aver who is and isn't white based on expected behavior and pigmentation. Too tan? Not white anymore. too rowdy? Not white anymore. Too lazy? Not white anymore.

>>134849046
If you zoom out far enough, you can include Turks, North Africans and eventually even Arabs and Indians in your "cluster".

You literally posted a picture showing that your supposed "white" race can be easily broken up into subcategories based on phenotypical differences that correspond to geography.

Mixing of European races is harmful. Theres a reason all the great works of art and culture came from Europe, while the only thing that came from US is nigger music and other degenerate nonsense

>>134841296
Probably because peoples' exact definitions differ depending on their degree of radicalism. I'd say "Whites" in the truest sense of the word are peoples of Germanic, Scandinavian, Celtic and Slavic stock. This could be plausibly expanded to include Meditteraneans like the Iberians, Italians, Greeks and certain Dravidian peoples who are still caucasian but have some admixture that darkens their skin.

The strictest definition would be only the initial four, possibly with the inclusion of Dinaric Slavs and Alpines. Since we can DNA test for these specific haplogroups I don't think it is particularly difficult to define whiteness, there are just varying degrees of purity demanded by groups of differing radicalism. I would say that any person who is 75% or more of aggregate white European race is white. I know others who will say it must be 99% because muh one drop but that isn't really practical.

>>134841296
I'll probably just be disregarded as a shill or something but I'll bite.
"White" is really a category of exclusion. It's not about what IS white but what is NOT white.
It's pretty easy to understand with the more obvious phenotypes. Black people are not white, neither are asians, or south americans or arabs/middle-easterners(although both south american and the middle east does have whiter ethnic groups) but it goes beyond that.
When there aren't as obvious "others" to exclude the "white" people begin to look inwards, you can even see it on this board. X aren't true whites, Y are all dirty mudbloods, Z was never white. /pol/ literally has whole threads arguing about which are the true whites to little result. It even goes beyond that within groups with those who fail or act unacceptably being disregarded as a nigger, as not a true white, thus preserving the purity of the ideal of "white".

>>134843270
This is a theory Desticuck brought up when talking to that Stormfront guy, but I don't think it's likely to actually occur.

For one thing, the extreme purity-spiral crowd are a minority everywhere except Iron March. If a White Ethnostate were formed the odds are they wouldn't be the ones writing the constitution, it would be a more moderate body who appeal to a broader swathe of the movement. My bet is that even some mischlings would be tolerated simply on the grounds that everyone who fought for the ethnostate and "can pass" would have a right to live there. The odds of systematic DNA tests and the expulsion of people who aren't sufficiently white run pretty low, how would that even work? If such a thing did occur it would just result in a civil war and the ethnostate fracturing into ultra-pure white ethnostate and less pure white ethnostate.

>>134853484
>Why can't white nationalists ever look like pic-related these days?
Those guys are easy to kill and don't look innocuous.

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>>134855871
>Tara McCarthy
>Brittany Venti
>Hapa "white" nationalists

I go by vision. Can they pass as white? Tara McCarthy certainly can. Not just by appearance but also behavior. Case closed. She's white.

Brittany Venti is obviously molatto. But she acts white. Has an IQ high enough to be humorous, speaks as well as any white woman, is attractive, and quite frankly, would look pretty damn good in a POV porn video as she grinds those hips and jiggles those tits. As long as more Africans aren't migrating in, I'm happy if she marries a white guy, creates some 1/16th black kids who look perfectly white, and we'll just let that shit slide.

As for hapa white nationalists, do they look and act like Dean Cain? Congratulations. You're white. Do they act like Elliot Roger? Well, we need to discourage that shit and limit Asian female immigration because it tends to be desperate white beta males who will date and have children with Asian females. The Asian female likes the thought of the Caucasian upgrade, and so this pairing tends to keep occurring.

Looking at the Elliot Rogers and Seung-Hui Cho's of the world, it's obvious Asian-looking and Asian-behaving guys have a really hard time fitting into white society. So their numbers should be kept in check. Asians still contribute to white society though so some Asian males are a good thing within strict limits. Just keep it to 3% - 6% of the population.

>>134856899
See, this is the problem with the nebulous concept of whiteness.

Lets say a white ethnostate is established and only white immigration is allowed. White is defined as someone with 75%+ European DNA.

50 years down the line, public opinion softens and it is decided that 50%+ is white.

Eventually you reach a point where someone with any amount of European ancestry is defined as white (and this is the same policy many countries have when giving out citizenships by ancestry) and the country is filled with "white" people

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>>134853484

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>>134856899

If you're posting from America true white = British only.

Germans = Dutch = Cowards who avoided the revolution.

Obviously this is impractical. Most Americans are British, German, Scandinavian, Irish, and Italian heritage. And they are hopelessly intermixed. Not to mention the occasional black or native american great, great grandparent ancestor.

It's best if you go by:

1.) Visual. (Do they look white? Hint: Tara McCarthy passes.)
2.) Language. (Do they speak American or British or Australian English?)
3.) Culture. (Do they identify as "Mexican" or do they wear a fucking hijab? Gotta go.)
4.) Do they pay taxes? Are they middle class? (They can stay.) Or are they taking welfare? Or have they broken the law including illegal border crossing? (They gotta go.)

>>134856199

Still, my point stands. Anyone who says Jared Kushner is not white is a straight up low IQ fool. And I mean "fool" as in literally deserving to get their asses beaten for daring to be that stupid.

I can tolerate some stupidity, but excessive stupidity should be punished with a beat down. Saying someone loses their race because of an arbitrary religion deserves to get their fucking ass kicked. Not because it's offensive, but because they should not pass along their genes.

>>134855871
where's your data?

you put a few media name up which means nothing, especially to me, never heard of those people, but the fact that they are on TV as being "mixed race" is just the media agenda.

before this topic became a topic in the late 90s the agenda was in advertising and media, the object was to show more racially mixed groups of people interacting, brown white black asian - the government even funded this shit - AND because minorities were becoming more affluent; they had money to burn, they were now a target for corporations in the US.

The whole black radio and TV was part of that, black leaders didn't like the fact that money in their community was being spent on white and especially Jewish businesses and adverting and viola you got BET and Ebony,
Jesse Jackson made a career out of it.

So now you had people with disposable income to burn who also wanted what white people had for decades, personal attention to style and cool stuff to buy AND NOW THERE WAS EASY CREDIT - thank you Bill Clinton.

Prior to that all black people had media-wise was the Chicago Defender, a radical black newspaper, far away from any light entertainment.

With the explosion of cable TV, especially in the early 90s Hispanics got their own channel Tel la Mundo and advertisers were drooling at all that verde especially in LA and Central Cali

>>134858236
Meanwhile, the government was trying to merge neighborhoods and schools into racially mixed utopias, YET advertisers followed the money they were appealing to the base instincts of these groups and that base was stick to your own kind - your hair is not their hair - your food it not their food - separation is natural it's the most base thing about the human species. Thousands of years of living that way.

Most people in the world didn't read until the 50s and there were still tribal groups in the jungles who never even saw a white man through the mid 70s

You have to be crazy to think after 1000s of years of separation that with the invention of the jet airplane and global world domination by a few greedy assholes we will all mix overnight and be happy little pups?

that's just silly.


and then there's science.

>>134856382

some of them are just standing for the cause

they believe white people should have the same right to identify as they do

you're just not educated on the alt-right

you're stuck in your MSM Soros ANTIFA echo

>>134856828

maybe, but not unless you have the Neanderthal gene

without that you're not white

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>>134857403

Okay, but where do you draw the line? Even the British and Germans could be considered "Mediterranean" if you trace them back further than the Anglo-Saxons and Visigoths into their common Iron Age ancestor (only 2,500 - 3,000 years ago).

It really needs to come down to:

1. Visual. (I could care less if a blonde haired, brown eyed woman was 1/16th Native American.)
2. Language. (Does she speak American English?)
3. Culture. (Does she prefer bikinis over hijabs? Great! She can stay!.)
4. Do they pay taxes and are they middle class? (Stay!)

>>134851348
What about all the people who see slavs and meds as nonwhites then?

>>134858670
>Does she prefer bikinis over hijabs? Great! She can stay!
>liberal sluts over conservative modest waifus

>>134858233
>2

he's Ashkenazim
he identifies as a jew

further, IQ has nothing to do with a disagreement of one topic.

you're awfully violent in your rhetoric and making threats, now that banter IS a sign of a person with a low IQ and mental health issues

>>134841296
Europeans.
Not those who simply live in Europe though. Those who are genetically European.
There. Simple as fuck.

>>134841296
>Eugenics all but illegal
>surprised we don't know what White is
The only people to blame are yourselves

>>134858443
>some of them are just standing for the cause

That and even black and latino people know what life is like in a predominantly brown or black area.

>>134858233

Ashkenazi Jews are not white

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

>>134858888
Quads

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check yourself

>>134858826


Faggot fuck. I dare you to insult a blue eyed bikini wearing all American girl as being less desirable than some piece of shit middle eastern brown eyed cunt wearing a fucking niqab where I live. You'd get your fucking ass beat for even suggesting a muslim = "conservative modest waifu".

Stupid ass anime loving cock sucker. You're a straight up fool.

If you are germanic, Scandinavian, celtic,or,slavic you are white

>>134859122

So because Jared Kushner and Gary Cohn are "Ashkenazi" means they aren't white? You do know that Ashkenazi is Yiddish for GERMAN, right? They originate from the Roman era. Literally the foundation of Western Civilization.

Can they walk into a room, and not be immediately identified visually as a minority? Great. They're white.

If you want to compare Howard Stern to Conan O'Brien then you might have an argument, but if you're saying Jared fucking Kushner is not white, you're a straight up low IQ fool.

>>134848741

I'm R1b1a1a2 and Assyrian. That haplogroup isn't restricted to Europe.

>step 1 Have real borders and ban immigrants and immigrants' decents. Send white immigrants tov heir real country. Ban muslims from Europe.

>step 2 recolonize Africa and Asia

>step 3 send race mixed people to Africa or Asia following the race they are mixed with. Controll niggers' demographics and prevent immigration.

>step 4 make sure leftist cock suckers will never rise and open borders again.

> step 5 enjoy sovereignity and whiteness


PS: America is already fucked.

Why would you want a white ethno state in america when the majority of white people are traitorous communist faggots who didn't vote for Trump?

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>>134858845

At a certain point you come across enough low IQ, teenage Dylann Roofs, and you get tired of it. Stupidity can spread like a virus, and there are some people who are so inferior they should be physically reminded to stay silent and remain followers. Intelligent people cannot allow those of inferior intelligence to keep spreading idiocy after the issue has been settled in debate.

When someone starts saying Ivanka Trump or Jared fucking Kushner is no longer white because they are "Ashkenazi Jews" that deserves a full body swing slap to the back of their Dylann Roof bowl-cut head. Anyone making such a claim is inferior, and should be reminded as such.

For legal reasons I wouldn't recommend actually taking a literal swing, but hopefully the sentiment of how fucking idiotic these people are comes across in this message.

White isn't a race, we're Caucasian. Caucasian change on a spectrum from celts, to slavs, to arabs, to pakis etc.

E.g. I personally am a Caucasian with anglo/irish/italian background. Not ''white''. ''white'' is a term coined by colonialists who were surrounded by literal negroes, native americans, and abos. Nowadays it's just used as a punchbag buzzword by the left.

Spencer is just a faggot. It's good that he shares his idieas, but he isn't a person to follow.

>>134859839
Ashkenazim are really just Turks

>>134860457

you always lose some people, those people probably wouldn't join you anyway. The US is bound to break up eventually - can't sustain the debt much longer

>>134860592
you can't even get the conversation correct

further calling people names and make threats is not an argument

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white babies are so beautiful