So, libs all want free, basic healthcare, right? Where do they

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>>134829861
NO WAY

why do you think that they have ever thought about it?

>>134829700

They think rich people are piggy banks with unlimited cash.

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>>134829935
Nope, they have the attention span of goldfish

>>134829700
How can Americans pretend to be so capitalist and shit and not even know how insurance works?

It's fucked up.

>>134829700
The answer is by lowering taxes. The reason why healthcare is so expensive right now is because people without insurance end up going to the hospital and in order for hospitals to recoup they have to charge outrageous prices for basic services.

If you give everyone access to healthcare, prices drop and the cost of healthcare drops. Instead of paying $500 a month for shit healthcare, you pay less. There's a reason why other capitalist countries have gone this route.

>>134830004
Ahh yes, the 1% should pay for the 99%.

Wow you just blew up their entire argument suck it libtards #MAGA

>>134829700
>Where do they think the money for that will come from?

wagecucks

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Taxes. You know the F-35 costs $12,000 per taxpayer, all by itself, right? And hardly even flys reliably? This entire cost could be avoided simply by having friendly relations with Russia, not that libs advocate for such

>>134830105
>prices drop and the cost of healthcare drops
One could argue the quality of the healthcare would drop, but that's just conjecture.

>>134829700
Seriously though. Import tax.

>>134829700
Where does all the money come from for our giant military we use to protect other countries' interests?

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>>134830004
>thinking they aren't

>>134830202
True, that could be argued. But right now the quality of healthcare in America is only really good for the incredibly wealthy. Otherwise it tends to be worse than other countries with singlepayer options.

That's why medical tourism tends to be so strong in the US.

>>134829700
Really high taxes. The current government funded healthcare system is so far in the red with unfunded liabilities on top of the debt, it will need a massive cash injection to get it back on track. Imagine putting 250 million more people on the current system? Cluster fuck. Another shitty government program that runs like shit.

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>>134829700
So, cons all want free, basic military and police protection, right?

Where do they think the money for that will come from?

>>134830199
$12,000x138million=$1,656,000,000,000

not $178 million...

Liberal math...

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>>134830235
Import tax would be ideal. Although I would advocate a revenue-neutral import tax - use that tax revenue to eliminate the income tax for the bottom 80%. Take away funding from the Military Industrial Complex and shift it to infrastructure and human services. Make friends with Russia, let them worry about the Mid East if they want to. Also, deregulate the health care industry so there can be lower costs. Let trained army medics work in ERs for example and set up lightly regulated alternatives to the private medical education/certificatios cartels

>>134830799
The F-35 is costing $1.45 trillion and there are an estimated 122 million taxpayers according to some, you are quibbling

>>134830799
>>134831123
Wait. Half the US doesn't pay any tax? The fuck?

>>134829700
If we can get the cash for it so can you Yankee boy. You have a stupid argument as many countries afford to so it all of which are poorer than yours. You lot are just stupid and believe your christ loving politicians rather than realising it's all a win for your population

>>134831225
Half the population+ doesnt pay any income tax. Sorry, I was refering only to Fed income tax. The Fed income tax was originally introduced as a 1% tax, which it should be; it should not be a tax on people doing actual work makimg middle class wages

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>>134830848
How is this ever getting past congress? Lobbyist money masters would kill it. Congress cant even repeal what is there now. Anything new cant be built on the shambles of the shit syatem we have now. I am not trying to shit on your idea or any idea. The corruption of the current system is stifling.

>>134831225
That's what happens when people can't survive on minimum wage. The government has to foot the bill that corporations aren't willing to pay and hand out gibs so there aren't mass riots from people starving to death.

>>134829700
well burgers, if you cut your military spending down some, you could afford to dish out some free healthcare.

cutting down the bloated defense budget

how many billions have so far been sunk into the F-35 or that shitty stealth boat?

>>134829700
The same place funding for the police and fire departments comes from

>>134829700
Liberals think the world works like a sonic game. Vid related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWyZmFSep0 Jammin' tunes though.

>>134832040
>world works like a sonic game.

what the fuck are you talking about lol

>>134829700
Remove the jewish special interest donating 8 million of your tax dollars to support Israel every year

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>>134831608
Sure, granted, but what I am proposing is how the country functioned from 1780s-early 1970s. Import taxes used to fund national needs. No socialism or fascism required, just old-fashioned Americanism

>>134831946
>shitty stealth boat

I've got a great idea. How about, like, a boat, right, that like, travels underwater!

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>>134832325
We actually could defend the country with just the submarine fleet and the State National Guards. We have oceans and nukes.

didn't the us government spend like 100 billoin dollars upgrading their software, whe the whole thing was a complete waste of money?

isn't there like 1 trillion dollars missing?

why are americans so selfish? thereis no sense of communityin america.

it's the most selfish, individualistic shithole I've ever been to. everyone is out for number 1, nobody cares about anyone else

the worstpart of all of this is their family unit. it's like they don't even care about eachother, they don't even visit their relatives, they let their parents rot in nursing homes, even in boyfriend/girlfriend relationships it's all about 'getting sex' from the girl, while the guys gives the woman money and gifts basically

what a shithole honestly, I've never been anywhere where people care so little about eachother. they genuinely would rather their felow countrymen literally die, than pay a few extra dollars a week in taxes

always cracks me up seeing white nationalist groups try to get startedin the usa. it's impossible. competely impossible. americans simply do not care about eachother

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>>134829700
From tax dollars. Wit single payer, you get the (((insurance companies))) out of the healthcare system.

Here we have 11% of our GDP spend on healthcare and everyone is covered, and in the the United States of America you have 90% covered, and spending 18% of GDP on healthcare. And guess what, our life expectancy is higher than yours.

But then again, Americans love spending too much money, especially when the recipients are Jews. Trumps Jewish dream team will do nothing about it unfortunately.

Libs are controlled by rich people. So are Conservatives. The difference is who they partner with.

Libs partner with poors, offering them the chance to vote themselves half of middle class people's money. Not of rich people's money of course, surely you're not dumb enough to think people like Bezos support liberal causes thinking it will cost them money. Poor people are willing to burn down the entire middle class of the US because they don't have the talent or work ethic to join it. By destroying the American dream for the rest of us poors can make their rape fantasies of being persecuted in a land of haves and have-nots come true, and spare themselves the feelings of inadequacy they get from living in a land of tens of millions of people earning a good living, while being unable to do so.

Conservatives partner with the middle class to protect them from the poors willing to burn it all down. The conservative rich people are therefore less evil than the liberal rich people who are the ones aiming to essentially enslave everyone else into a system of subsistence living and 'free' healthcare, ie being treated like livestock.

>>134832682
multiculturalism and heterogeneous society is shit.

1965 immigration act killed america

>>134832682
Yes. It didn't used to be this way. Thank (((libertarians))) (((Ancaps))) and the (((Austrian School of Economics))). Notice how no one ever talks about the "American School of Economics?" It's a real thing, and how the country was run from the founding until the early 1970s, when (((free trade))) took over

>>134832928
>1965 Immigration Act

I see this mentioned often as the cause for all sorts of problems but what did it actually do, or what did it allow to happen?

>>134831573
YOU FUCKERS DON'T HAVE A MILITARY THE SIZE OF OURS!!! We're the fucking world police WE pay for that so YOU have more money for your medical gibs! Fuck I hate when Canadians and Europoors bitch bitch about us not having "free" healthcare.

>>134831356
YOU FUCKERS DON'T HAVE A MILITARY THE SIZE OF OURS!!! We're the fucking world police WE pay for that so YOU have more money for your medical gibs! Fuck I hate when Canadians and Europoors bitch bitch about us not having "free" healthcare.

>>134831123
how does one plane cost over a trillion dollars

>>134833136
allowed non europeans to immigrate much easier, to the point that it changed americas demographics from 90%~ white to 54 or whatever percent it is now within 50-60 years.

Of course, illegal immigration and birth right contributed to it as well. but it was the beginning of these immigration policies

>>134833345
Aaah. So it was basically like when we got rid of the White Australia Policy over here.

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From taxes. The private system is not working, nor has it ever worked. Before Obamacare you guys bitched about how every ill-problem wrong with healthcare was from pre-existing regulations that need to be deregulated. Now that you guys are in power, you have trouble with getting your own party to agree with scaling it back. We had a free-market up until the very onset of modern medicine, which explicitly requires regulations to work. It gave us neat things like "humorism" and other ineffective psuedo-medical practices and beliefs.

>>134833136
>what did it allow to happen?
Flood the US with non-Europeans.

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>>134829700
It helps if you say "willingness and ability" instead of money. Libs think money grows on trees, but have a hard time explaining how they intend to steal all that willingness and ability from the rich.

>>134829700
Since democrats want it so bad, then I believe that everyone registered as a democrat should be taxed to pay for it. Democrat tax rate will be 20% of each paycheck.

>>134833206
Wjo do you think is going to invade Europe? Aside from immigrants, which is their own doing. The meme that Russia is going to invade Europe is propaganda to justify weapons sales. We used to buy weapons to fight wars; we now fight wars to buy weapons.

>>134831225
Crikey mate. Bloke never hearda the magical niggers, have yee?

>>134833627
Make it 40%, that's what I pay.

Also sage

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>>134829700
>Where do they think the money for that will come from?

The government of course! That's as far as they'll think about it. Not about unsustainable debt or taxes or any of that boring shit. That's the problem with democracy.

Obongo's After. Isn't that where all their taste is from?

>>134829700
>Where do they think the money for that will come from?

The printing press?

Lrn 2 econ

>>134833753
Even then its like half of the US is either under age, elderly/retired, or unemployed. I definitely can't you guys for being resentful about taxes.

>>134829700
It will all come from white Americans, because whites pay all the taxes

>>134833627
I'll gladly take 20% of each paycheck. That's literally less than I pay for healthcare.

>>134833901
You just reminded me that I'll never own a moveable type printing press and now I hate you.

>>134829700
reduce military spending by 10% and use it to cover all health care and provide free public college
invest in infrastructure for new jobs and bussiness
create new global trade treaties with japan, EU and developing african nations

>>134833784
Is that only your federal/state income tax or does it include sales tax, property tax, gasoline excise tax, sin tax, etc, etc, etc?

I bet if you add it all up your tax is 50% or more.

>>134829700
rich people
>the middle class or whats left of it anyway. pretty anybody who isnt on welfare but not rich enough to avoid taxes

>>134834071
>reduce military spending by 10%
how about reduce by 90%, leaving 10%; which is still too much

>>134829700
jojo in 2017? lmao

>>134833901

Yup.

The government could literally fund itself without any taxes. Priting money is only inflationary if used for non-productive things. Like if you build a million dollar bidge that results in multimillions of new economic activity or cost savings, the bridge spending is not inflationary, even if the money for it was printed out of thin air. Money is just a tool for coordinating labor and resources, it is created out of thin air anyways by the (((banking system))), its just a question of what we build and who, if anyone, gets the (((interest payments)))

>>134832747
>But then again, Americans love spending too much money, especially when the recipients are Jews. Trumps Jewish dream team will do nothing about it unfortunately.

This is the truth. Our healthcare system is designed to screw over the domestic populace so wealthy Jews and Saudi Princes can come here for timely and innovative treatments that the people who live here could never afford.

>>134833922
Don't forget the 30 million noggerxicans. Their kids. Some muzzies. Boomers. The true red/blackpill is women's contributions.

The best part is the only "people" who complain about taxes are the nonwhites that (magically, because math be hard n shieeeet) get back their retarded withholdings from the part time mcjob.

>>134829700
Taxes on wealthier people, just like everywhere else where single payer exists.

>>134830105
Huh? So the same amount of healthcare is dispensed but it costs less now? What you discribed is the problem with canadas healthcare, there are shitty poor people who rack up thousands in costs and everyone else has to cover it. Either everyone gets it and it costs an insane amount or we let idiots suffer themselves, pick one...

>>134829700
You think left leaning people or politicians ever think about where the money comes from?

They just raise everyone's taxes and get heavily into debt to (((them)))

Look at Europe. They brought in millions of refugees and when the left wanted more they started talking about borrowing money to feed and house them all.

Absolute insanity.

>>134830199
F-35? Its still in prototype phase, and if some of the info that came from it, it could wipe a whole shitskin village without them even hearing the jet flying by.

>Friendly relations with Russia
We aren't building these big ass fighters for war against Russia, fag. We build nukes for that.

>>134834261
says some faggot with the United Nations banner

>>134834785
The problem with canadian healthcare? It costs less than US healthcare for slightly lesser care.

And if you're in favor of 'letting idiots suffer' then you're admitting that you're essentially in favor of becoming third world country. The last thing you should be advocating is for hospitals to have the right to deny healthcare to people.

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>>134829700
Well where the fuck are you guys sending that money now? Because it looks like you're just flushing it down the toilet and still making your citizens pay for

Why are you paying twice?

>>134834261
>UN
Go kidnap and fuck babies somewhere else.

>>134833206
lmao we could half our military and still be insanely powerful. Lobbyists are grabbing our money to make tanks and planes and bombs we will never use, you fucking cuck

>>134834002
How many dems in CA and NY will be willing to give up 20% of their paychecks though. Considering they believe that average Americans make $250,000 a year.

>>134829700
>Where do they think the money for that will come from?
The Jews after we confiscate all of their property

>>134834920
>>134834998
It's not just military spending that we spare the rest of NATO/UN:

How The US Subsidizes Cheap Drugs For Europe

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-us-subsidizes-cheap-drugs-europe-2112662

>>134835172
add: California already taxes an obscene amount for federal/state around 55%. Imagine that going to 75%.

>>134835172
Considering CA is pushing hard for single-payer right now? Apparently quite a bit.

And the only people that believe the average American makes $250,000 a year are Republicans.

>>134834674
Except the wealthy will simply move to a country with lower taxes. It happened in Norway. The wealthiest Norwegian is now a citizen of Cyprus and lives in London.

>>134835348
Don't know what you watch but it was Hillary and Bernie spouting off the $250K lie during the campaign.

I've asked leftists this kind of thing about various leftist issues.

The answer is apparently "Rich people."

The answer is always to raise taxes on anyone making more than them, and lower tower on anyone making less than them.


It's that simple.

>>134835348
Memeflag faggot. San fran, la, and San Diego are known republican strongholds.

You know, the places where you qualify for food stamps for making under 130k a year...

>>134830105
Healthcare costs are high because minorities and illegals aren't paying bills. But under universal healthcare, those two groups still aren't paying the bills.

How exactly does that help lower costs? If anything it pushes more non-contributors into the system due to ease of access, which raises costs even more.

>>134829700
We spend trillions on dropping bombs on mud huts in the middle of nowhere, the politicians convince you retards that this is good for our economy.

Try stretching you imaginations to envision spending that money on medicine here at home. At least when we are done spending, we will have hospitals, medicines, life saving surgeries, and peace of mind far greater than that peace of mind provided by smouldering mud huts on the other side of the planet.

>>134835472
In the US they just get themselves tax exemptions, no need to move. Increased taxes are for people that work for a living, not those that invest their $ for a living.

>>134835626
Yes, NY and CA liberals are the ones that think everyone in the US is doing well enough to welcome in a flood of immigrants and not be negatively affected.

>>134835348
Didn't California just nuke single payer though?

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>>134835348
Out of touch liberals

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>>134835024
The fucking shareholders of healthcare companies need their dividends raised every year buddy.

>>134831225
add up all the poor people, all the kids, etc. etc.

easy to reach number

>>134835815
>NY and CA liberals
wat we are the ones pushing for progressive policies to help everyone in the country that isn't a 1 percenter. Lobbyists ruined the country not legal immigrants

>>134835332
You realize this information is all public, correct? People in California have around ~34-35% of their income taxed. This is with federal + state income tax and various minor taxes accounted for.

>>134835626
Middle-class Americans. The majority of Americans are in the working class. That's a key distinction to be made, although a bullshit one to attempt to appeal to the retards.

>>134835717
http://www.cdss.ca.gov/foodstamps/res/pdf/PUB464Eng.pdf

Again, all this information is publicly available and you're objectively wrong.

>>134831123
$1.5t for research, development, and procurement for all current and expected orders around the globe, in 2070 dollars.

>>134830105
Even tho my country is fucked, this mang here is right, your health care workds and if not for the ungodly amount of corruption we would have a second world country by now.

>>134836105
Go fuck yourself. You don't get to vote yourself 1 percenters money. You're a schmuck and a half if you think otherwise. You only get to steal from people working for a living. Vote for lower taxes at every opportunity, government exists to lie to us and divide our taxes amongst the ruling class.

>>134829700
Currency recycling of course.

Infinite money cheats have been enabled already.

Sucks we don't all have that ability.

or do we!?

DUN DUN DUN!

>>134835847
The governor did.

The rest of California is pissed about it.

>>134835472
Taxes aren't tied to residence here, but citizenship. I think we're one of the few countries that have this. Meaning where as Norwegians can legally move abroad and they're not subjected to Norwegian taxes to the country they move to, here you still will have taxes applied to you if you're generating income in America but have your residence overseas, unless you officially denounce your American citizenship (which is a lengthy process to do). So they can move overseas and try to denounce their citizenship, but they're going to miss out on having access to the world's most largest and advanced economy and will face a bunch of legal trouble if they still have private enterprises located and functioning in the US that's gaining them money.

>>134835772
Under universal healthcare you increase the penalties for not being enrolled in healthcare (even cheap ones) and fine minorities / illegals if they choose to not participate.

The goal should be to push people into joining the system, not telling people that they should behave more like illegals and not pay their due. Unless you want the USA to become like Africa.

>>134829700

You've never heard the saying "Medicare for all"

Are you Trumpcucks such dumb fucks you think people who want single payer what "free" healthcare.

I love in an attempt to make Liberals look stupid, you reveal how dumb as shit you people are.

Do you even know how healthcare works now? You pay for it. You would still pay for it.

If you pathetic Republican poorfags ever earned a paycheck I would tell you to go look at it and how you pay for Medicare & Medicaid.

The simple fact they're two separate taxes is already fucking stupid.

>>134836351
one person one vote you stupid piece of shit. I make $200k+ and vote leftist come succ it

>>134836379
Didn't the CA governor say that it did not make any economic sense?

>>134836590
sure you do, I think you made a typo; you make $20k/yr more likely.

>>134836875
Fuck off. Help convince Republican's who draw from federal assistance or get off /pol/ We're tired of our paychecks getting drained so you neet faggots can have your gibs.

>>134836760
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/24/california-proves-single-payer-health-care-is-too-expensive-commentary.html

Nazi Germany had free socialized healthcare. It was good.
If you remove niggers and Jews socialism, guess what — it works like a fucking charm.

>>134836875
i live alone in manhattan come hang out

>>134833275
Why should we police the world? Why do we have to fight israels wars? Why do we protect weak allies who seek to undermine us in Europe? Why do we keep up such a huge military? So Jewish wars can be fought for and paid for in American blood and tax dollars? So these parasitic defense contractors can wrack up TRILLION dollar tabs and nobody bats an eye. Fuck being the worlds police, we need to take care of our own first and let the world rot, see how bad it is without our constant influence. Maybe then other nations will appreciate what we are capable of doing.

>>134837274
fuck off you goddamn nazi faggot. Back to storm front with your bullshit socialism. I'm not paying for your shit so you can LARP as a nazi.

>>134829700
>liberals
>think
Pick one

>>134829700
Greedy rich people! They only have so much bc they steal it from me newa

>>134837439

Look faggot, all of these leftist utopia ideas are absolutely impossible in America today, you know why? Niggers, Spics, Sand Niggers, and Kikes. Remove this problem and you will have a society of people who actually care about their families and their people. I'm absolutely FOR nationalized healthcare if the above takes place. That is the difference between you and us (you aren't fooling anyone with your republican flag you fucking faggot), we understand that these things are good in a society that can actually facilitate it, you stupid fucks think it's possible with all these shitskins running around and kikes running the show.

We really aren't that different, it's just that we are realists and you faggots think IQ doesn't matter and we can have open borders AND universal healthcare. Get fucked.

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From tax money obviously. The current healthcare system we have is completely inefficient and as a National Socialist I believe it's a Nation's duty to care for its people. Unfortunately, nu/pol/ won't agree since they're unable to correlate minority status with abuse of necessary social services.

>>134838160

"It's people" absolutely yes. "Third world shitskins" no, and that's what we have. When you say "Tax Money" you might as well say white money famalam.

>>134829700
We need to roll taxes back to when america was great, in the '50's

>>134838124
Yeah we really are that different. I want to work for my shit and keep it. I don't want you NEET unemployed faggots taking my shit. It doesn't matter who you are, if you're a net taker then you are worthless scum.

>>134830202
It probably depends on how you define quality. Cutting costs would probably mean treating certain diseases less aggressively and changing end of life care. Aggressive treatment of diseases, like certain types of cancer, is arguably counterproductive because tests like mammograms have really high false positive rates. Aggressive treatment and false positives for breast cancer mean that an untold number of women have suffered through painful medical procedures to survive a disease they never had. Other cancers like prostate cancer and lymphoma are examples of slow developing cancers that, in many cases, wouldn't be directly fatal to elderly people because the person is already at risk to die from something else. Is it worth putting an 80 year through chemotherapy when he is likely to die from heart failure soon anyways? End of life care at hospitals is pretty disturbing because the last few months a person is alive aren't really spent "living". When you see a 90 year old terminally ill patient in a hospital bed who is only kept alive by a breathing tube and an iv drip, then it's worth questioning why that person is still alive. Hospice or home care for the terminally ill would be significantly cheaper, have a higher quality of life, and preserve human dignity much better.

It might not be the quality of medical care that would have to change, but the better question is the quantity of medical care that needs to change.

You could cut back military spending by a few hundred bil. oops, I forgot it's more important to (((((protect))))) syrians than it is to take care of your own.

>>134838788
Don't you know taxation is theft, goyim!

Now excuse me while I make billions of dollars off of illegal labor and not contribute to society.

>>134829700
how about from the money we pay ISIS and from the money we spend on maintaining military bases in countries we're not at war with, fuck just half the fucking military budget already.

>>134838788
Destroy federal assistance programs immediately.

>>134838924
Ah shit, I forgot.

Clearly the solution is to abolish all taxes and everything will be awesome.

>>134829700
Taxing those richer than them
>inb4 the rich will leave
Ideally, they would be taxed at a rate where the economic maximum benefit would come from staying in the US (Ex. US tax rate 35%, next lowest country is 40%)
It's not really difficult, they've been saying it for years. The problem is that the idea is fundamentally un-American

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>>134830088
>people pay into a system
>the system is half assed cause assured pay
>3-8 hour emergency wait times
>8-11 month critical surgery times
>half assed you end up going to other countries to get the immediate care anyways
>"but muh poor people need health care" and still die cause its late and half assed anyway
t. leaftards

>>134839281
leafs live longer, spend less money on healthcare, and have better quality of life than us Americans so i don't know what the fuck argument you can make

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>>134829700

Expanded payroll tax. Eliminate the ceiling and increase the percentage taken until you have enough to give everyone medicare.

>>134832682
>I'm happy to pay taxes! I do so because I'm a compassionate citizen
>Charity? Fuck's that word mean?
Pro-tip: It's not selfless if the government makes you do it.

>>134830004
>I know what they think
L0Lno

>>134830088
>Americans pretend to be so capitalist
...bcoz they don't know the meaning of the word.

>>134830160
found the newfag

>>134839414
>Wants class warfare
>literally communist manifesto playbook

Neck yourself, commie

>>134830122
>the 1% should parasite the 99%
FTFY

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>>134839652
>We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'American people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman.
-Donald Trump

>>134830799
>$178 million
conservitard alternative fact

>>134831356
brits need insurance since the only thing they are good at is being raped

>>134832040
>I know what Libruls think
L0Lno

>>134830105
One of the problems is the income of doctors/ surgeons etc, due to price fixing/ gouging etc is monstrously high.
You're just not going to be able to reign it in. And if you don't keep it inflated,you won't attract people to the roles.. it's a vicious circle, really.

>>134840758
vote democrat if you want to hurt the economy so bad.

>>134836436
The idea that people that can't buy their own food or pay their own rent will suddenly have $500/month for insurance is laughable. So what happens is the govt will cut them a check to pay their premiums and reimburse their co-pays and no the money won't just come out of thin air.

Everyone knows urban ERs are hellholes but at least they're relatively contained. Once offer a free service to a bunch of people with no jobs and no prospects they will take advantage of it. "Going to the doctor" will be the most productive thing they do all week.

Americans simply aren't wired to responsibly use things that are free. We will wait in line for an hour for a free $1 chicken sandwich ffs.

The notion that introducing millions of people to a system with no means to contribute will magically lower prices because they suddenly have an insurance card is fantasy. It defies that basic law of supply and demand.

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>>134833206
>the fucking world police
stop watching the puppet-show,
and grow the fuck up

>>134833302
the short version : "cost over-runs"
the longer version : deep-rooted corruption in
every level of government via lobbyist money

>>134833483
>We had a free-market
L0Lno, only in th'Murikan mythos.
We had a market captive to collusion, price-fixing, and restraint of trade.
Now we have the same market, only with different captors.

>>134833607
>I know what Libs think.
L0Lno fgt pls

>>134834539
>Our healthcare system
You have no healthcare system, Yank.
You have healthcare providers, and you have
healthcare insurers, and you're caught in the middle.

You have a good point. Here in Australia we have universal healthcare and costs are spiraling out of control because of the perception that it's free. Contributes to over-taxation and dangerously high public debt

Haven't we spent billions of dollars on the war in Iraq hahahaha?

Like we couldn't afford socialized healthcare.

The only reason we don't have socialized healthcare is because politicians are bought off by people in the insurance industries.

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>>134829921
>if i change the flag they won't know im talking to myself

>>134840013
>Welfare for rich is acceptable
No class

>>134843330
so imagine that in a country with ten times the population

>>134835772
>Healthcare costs are high because insurance
>companies siphon one-third of revenue off the top
FTFY

>>134835861
>Out of touch
>watching CNN
L0Lno fgt pls

>>134829700
Tax payers + price ceiling on medical costs.

You realize every time you go to urgent care, the facility is making like $500 an hour for nothing right?

Cost to.run an MRI for instance, in terms of electricity is about $50. A monkey can run the machine and it takes under a half hour so tag on maybe $30 for technician time.

$80 of cost and they charge $10000 for it. There's your fucking problem. Insurance isn't even needed if the government decides healthcare is a human right and can't be done for profit (meaning they charge the cost of performance and technician salary and that's it).

Check and mate, faggot.

>>134836351
>1 percenters money
Where do you suppose that money comes from, Bootlicker?

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>>134829700

> liberals think that the rich will pay for universal healthcare with taxes

> liberal poor and middle class will get tax increase to pay for it

>>134844170
how do you differentiate between good and bad doctors, hospitals, nurses? It sounds like they're all paid the same rate as their colleagues (Dr. A same as Dr. B)

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Leaf posting from Japan. The problem with the Canadian system is you get situations like we're now seeing in the U.K. With baby Charlie Garb where the state has absolute power over your life. For scraped knees or a broken bone, it's great. But when you have a serious life threatening condition, the doctors can weigh your treatments as being not cost effective. As in, if your chances of recovery are below a certain threshold, so they won't spend taxpayers money. You can't even pay the difference out of pocket or with a private plan. You're just fucked.

t. Mother had metastatic breast cancer and had to flee to America for treatment after leaf doctors told us to put her in a hospice. With superior private treatments, she stretched six months into three years. The leaf doctors were right in the end, but it shouldn't be their right to tell people not to try to save themselves or loved ones.

>>134832488
Yeah but you need planes to go out and do things too, so aicraft carriers. And then carriers usually need escorts for total protection so you need cruisers and destroyers. And then those also need logistics ships so you have these big fat tankers. And then... etc

>>134840148
Good quote lol, but I seem to remember that from a certain other national leader. And he didn't call them poor, he called them "less fortunate" the Germans were polite that way

>>134829700

don't forget about the free internet anon, it's a human right!