>A Mystery Investor Just Made A $262 Million Bet That The

I know everyone has a dad working at Nintendo, but I do have a brother working for DNB (norways largest investment bank).

Told him I was thinking of buying an apartment. And he told me to sit tight for a couple of years, because a big fucking storm is approaching.

For what it's worth.

>>134826656
how often does your dad kill whores when too high on coke then hi

>>134826656
More details of this upcoming storm?

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It's going to happen eventually. I just hope I have enough time to buy more silver.

>>134826984
Wouldn't go into detail, and I didn't push for it. Because I'd never jeopardize my brothers job.

They aren't even allowed to have cellphones in the office to avoid leakage.

>some random retard bets 9 gorillion dollars the stock market will crash
>come time for the bet to turn due, no one will be able to find him
sage goes in the options field

>>134826428
Hi. /biz/ here. It's extremely, EXTREMELY obvious that the stock market will essentially crash by or early within 2018. Go look at it ffs, do you have any clue how big of a fucking bubble it is right now?

If you thought 2008 was bad, 2018 will be waaaay worse.

>>134826656
I no longer have any friends who work in finance, but pretty much every analyst I've come to find worth listening to over the last decade agrees that we're pretty well due for some kind of a storm in the next couple of years.

Insider guys aren't always right, though. In 2008 I heard from a mid-level at JPM that they had a betting pool going on whether it was going to crash again in October or November. But all it did really was falter a bit.

>>134827263
they always say that shit. why would they say anything else?
>oh yeah the markets are going to do super well
why are we employing you anymore?
>uhhhhhh…

In case you guys haven't figured it out, cryptocurrencies like ETH and BTC along with gold go through the fucking roof whenever stocks and the financial system crashes.

If you want to be rich, buy up all the Ethereum/Bitcoin you possibly can now, then sell just after the stock market hits the fucking bottom. Then buy up all the stocks for cheap.

>>134827351
Zerohedge in particular has gone from insightful analysis to fear porn. But a lot of the people I've found useful are much more balanced and subtle in what they prognosticate.

$262 million is nothing in the grand scheme of the stock market

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>>134826428
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/mystery-investor-has-made-262-million-bet-stock-market-will-crash-october
wtf where is the archiving norseman? i aint clicking that

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Which bubble it will be?

>>134827583
Just use a adblocker and/or a proxy you mong.

>>134827457
I know you're just trying to shill, because there aren't any stock crashes to compare to cryptomarkets.

My bet is that people will liquidate cryptocurrencies when they have the choice between holding BTC or defaulting on their loan. Which means BTC will follow the stock market.

BTC isn't a safe haven. BTC is to be considered a luxury, which people will have to put aside to make sure their family has a roof over their heads and food on the table, when they lose their jobs, their house is worth less than they paid for it and the mortgage is killing them.

>>134827583
Hopefully it got banned.

yeah someday, who knows when.
when it happens they look like a genius. until then, this trade has been a loser.
I used to think Peter Schiff was the real deal since he seemed to predict the crash in housing and the stock market. Realized he has been saying that for decades. eventually he was right, but not because he knew something. he has been saying from 2009 right up until now that a bigger drop was coming.

>>134826428
Here comes the 144,000 to blow out the vagina cucks

>>134827251
I really don't understand how it works anymore. It should collapsed six month ago but somehow stock market is on historical heights.

Of course some things goes right, but fundamental things are definetely wrong.

Trumphoria triumph over reality in Trumptopia.

>>134826428
>not knowing what a HEDGE bet is
hmm...

>>134826428
->$262 mill

What a fucking lightweight
He must wear frilly girls panties
Fucking poofter

>>134826428
DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER GET ENOUGH VOTES!

>>134826428
whats the definition of crash. What are the stipulations of the bet, if he is wrong he flat out loses 262 million?

How many potential side bets does this cause? How many reactions to this news could be any?

>>134828116
>Here comes the 144,000
144,000 what?

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>>134826656
I expecting to see a Norway flag was the first post, but shocked that it wasn't The Archiver...

>>134828708
Oh just more trumpiness that you didnt figure out from Bible. Sept 23. Interesting times. Could be fuck all. But there's a special group in end times "not defiled by women". That's them

>>134826428
retard a bet with who

>$262 Million Bet That The Stock Market Will Crash By October
>>bet
>>october
>>265 million
>>hey i just won 265 million
>>oh right no one has money cant believe i fell for it

Some guy who predicted Trump's electoral win within like one vote is predicting big selloff this fall and crash in 18.

http://dystopiausa.com/will-the-stock-market-crash-in-the-fall-of-2017/

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>>134829099
>Employees/executes must file SEC form 4 to sell stocks with insider knowledge
>Some autist keeps charts of these

Lots of CEOs and CFOs cashing out of their own companies. Now that's interesting.

>>134827251
hi, /biz/ here to tell you not to believe this shill's lies. everybody knows the market is artificially controlled now so there literally cannot be a crash

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>>134830887
What does Moody's know?

>>134827093
THIS NIGER GETS IT AND HE GO SATURNALIA 93 DIGITS

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>>134831161
Moody's CEO cashing out like his life depends on it.

>>134831008
Hi, Janet.

>>134827810
yup, still gonna buy 1 BTC though just in case...

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https://twitter.com/KibBitzLaw/status/889383824433573889
We're far more real than you know... #TheRodAndTheRingWillStrike The time draws near.

>>134831393
>>134831161
>>134830887
let me play (((devil's))) advocate, isnt this just how they finally get the pay day theyve been dreaming of since getting paid in stock/options?

>>134831161
>>134831393
monthly dump and it's too bad because he'd have made more if he waited.
>>134831394
shhh

>>134831393
R-r-ratings agency cashing out. (Gulp)

>>134831393
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/mystery-investor-has-made-262-million-bet-stock-market-will-crash-october

He still owns $32 million in MCO stock. That was 17% of his holdings - not exactly cashing out.

>>134826983
His Dad is Joe Scarborough?

>>134827251
i like how you say "/biz/ here" as if that implies some modicum of credibility. go check your dogecoin wallet, faggot.

>>134831587
Every time i see this it freaks me out all the more.
4 Happenings remain.

>>134826428
The trader on the other side made the exact opposite bet.

>>134832531
To be fair it probably works on people who have never visited /biz/ (most people)

>>134832531
newfag
>>134831587
it is a meme economy so why not

>>134832659
Followup on the bet
>http://www. zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/about-262-million-man-vix-option-play-analysis

I think I will buy some of those calls, just in case.

>>134828856
Stop roleplaying as a nigger

nothing will happen, trump protects

>>134826428
That's the buzz I've been hearing from mil/pol people AND banking chads that I know.

I have suspected that Deep State would tank the economy to throw Trump under the bus.

Good thing too, strong men have historically had difficulties rising to power during economic hardships.

>>134827251
Qe nigga, calm down.

>>134831587
apparently votl is aware of this prophecy

>>134832954
but he also attac

It's fine I'll fucking leave, don't waste (You)s on me

>>134833004
Hitler rose to power during times of economic hardship.

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>>134833004
>strong men have historically had difficulties rising to power during economic hardships.

>>134831587
also, I wonder again if Seven Hills refers to Rome

>>134832531
>>134832716
/biz/ used to be nice board before and during coinsteria. Now when coin market is in trouble it looks like shit but who knows, maybe they are right about coins. I would put 10% of my portfolio on bitcoin.

It's bad they don't discuss anything else though.

>>134827810
The entire reason Bitcoin was invented was because of the depression in 08 and the resulting easing that was carried out to try and fix it. If the market is going to crash, crypto will soar - but not only crypto, all the typical commodities that go up in a bear market will react this way. Crypto is the same.

>>134831587
>>134833564
fuck me and I just remembered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Istanbul

>>134833004
>Trump is actually gonna do something and is not a complete puppet of bankers & jesuits

looks like someone fell for "the president matters" meme

If a candidate was gonna really do something they'd get metal to the head just like the last guy who tried.

>>134828116
lmao

>>134826428
not that much money, dude

>oh I'm gonna bet this huge sum of money for a crash
>oh look at the return I get with all the more monies that's worth jack shit

Fucking honesty

You guys have had almost 10 years now to make money in the bull market and learn how to make more money in a bear market. Why haven't you done this? Where have you guys been the past 10 years? The clock keeps ticking but your knowledge remains the same.

>>134833681
of course, at some point Kid Rock could end up in one of these cities and that would be that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_built_on_seven_hills

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>>134833564
>Seven hills
>Rome
>Rock
UHHH..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufBLI6bB9sg
GO TO 45 SECOND MARK

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>>134826428

Hint, it's a guy whose name is a palindrome that starts and ends in S

>>134834189
kek

>>134832852
Good explanation.

The news reporting on these trades is so boring because the news never follows up on how it paid out.

The reality is this some people just wanted to hedge against underlying portfolio of securities. One side would lose their shirt if volatility goes up and the others lose their shirt if it goes down. They talk on phone and iron out this deal.

>>134826656
there is the real price and then there is the asking price, these two don't add up at the moment only a fucking dumbass would borrow money to "buy an apartment" but that doesn't mean there will be a crash, a crash is when there is no no food in the store and that hasn't even happened in africa where 2 billion people live what it means is people cant jew eachother with the home profit meme, that is a crash to them

>>134827093
>buying silver
hope you've got the lead water and food first

>>134827220
why they do not allowe them phones ? thye could leak everything outside their work hours....

stupid retarded bastard somali of shit

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>>134833163
votl also says spearfish released the "unedited 9/11 video".
been out before..

>>134828827
>not defiled by women

Is /pol/ in the fucking bible?

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>beting on jesus christ
Mark 8:36King James Version (KJV)

36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

>>134834747
Making moves on the stock market is not selling your soul is it? It's all fair game - gentlemen's agreement that if you are in stocks that the smarter fish will get the money.

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>>134834949
it is when its the second coming of christ ur betting on

captcha second llave

>>134832611
it's a bullshit shill op, faggot.

>>134834737
This is the most powerful board in the memetaverse at the moment.

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commencing

(((they))) are willing to create a depression to fuck over Trump.

>>134827810
t. westerner

Bitcoin and crypto is legit being hoarded by East Asia who see it as legitimate technology, a safe hedge against their unstable economies, an easy link to other global markets, and the way of the future. Its not just some cooky libertarian experiment anymore.

>>134826428
This was on CNBC a few days ago. Zero hedge is getting shittier by the day.

Basically someone is buying VIX calls hoping implied volatility will spike but will still stay in a range under 25. Not really a crash but some fear is too be expected. Im looking at the bond market & commodities right now. Also the markets are channel tradin right bow so its likely weve reached the top. Havent done any TA but im writing a report on High yield corporoate and municipal junk bonds. Right now Im seeig the high yield bind market as the most likeely bubble to pop, taking a lot of pensioners down with it.

>>134834400
You can't move GBs of files of data in your mind like you can with a usb linked phone lad

>>134826428
Who is this mystery guy?
^_____^

>>134833595
I understand the philosophy behind BTC. I've owned a bunch myself throughout the years, and shilled for the altcoins.

But luxury items (non-essential) historically take the biggest falls during bear market.

Now, tell me, what makes BTC essential? Why will Joe and Jane hold on to their BTC when the bank says that if they don't pay their mortgage, their house will be foreclosed.

The majority of the current BTC holders aren't ideologues. They're speculators. Why will they sacrifice their house and their entire financial future to make sure crypto beats fiat?

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>>134833681
>

Turkey NO!!

>ww3

>>134833564
I always thought the seven hills represented the seven continents of the globe.

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not what you thought

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translation of spell 923 so far

>>134830887
source?

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>>134835891

>>134835747
The amount of people who are all in on Bitcoin who would have to cash out to save their asses is much less than the amount of people who own crypto on the side as just another investment. Your assumption is throwing off the math of this situation - your assumption that everyone in crypto would be underwater without their crypto assets being liquidated. You are completely underestimating the market and the players within it and it's making you look naive.

>>134831587
>the bear will leave its cave forever

Bear Market= economic crash

The global economy will turn into a major Bear market and collapse completely, perhaps?

>>134835993
The bear is Russia kek will prove me right.

>>134836045
fug

>>134826656
Oh boy the fake opinion of a fake brother of a fake anon who supposedly works at a seventh tier bank in an eighth tier country. You fucking idiot, why would you even post such stupid shit. Are you some kind of shill trying to make us all dumber?

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>>134835993
the bear is russia

basically kills murrica after the rapture

>>134834737

As of now, all the /pol/ boards across all chans are basicaly acting like the shadow ( as described by jung) in the soul of the internet.

>>134831587
I always thought the Rod and the Ring represented the Hammer and Sickle of Communism. Thoughts?

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captcha caravela jubilee

It's not too hard to predict business cycles and bubbles, especially if you have an (((insider))), but this really doesn't mean shit. Although, it would make sense as the market is artificially high rn and a lot of specific markets are on what seems to be a bubble. The system has just become so volatile at this point due to the Jew reserve that the majority of goyim can expect around 10 years max of economic security. Sure you can be smart and navigate through their jewish tricks, but you will still be hit hard and for no reason but (((their))) manipulation/amusement.

>>134835975
>your assumption that everyone in crypto would be underwater without their crypto assets being liquidated

That's not the case at all. But what is the first thing people do when they lose their jobs and are unable to pay their mortgage? They liquidate the non-essentials, such as their stocks or BTC.

But I guess we'll see who's right in less than a year.

>>134836045
45th is a Russian puppet

>>134826428
zerohedge occupies a weird spot between fake-news conspiracies and well thought out, if overtly negative and pessimistic financial news.

I keep waiting for China to collapse to get the ball rolling, but they keep finding under leveraged markets to exploit to prop up growth. I thought the financial debt would crush them, but between over-performing commodities and aggressive consumer lending (which hadn't existed before), they've managed to outperform expectations, yet again...

>>134836159
i thought the rod and the ring represented the firing mechanism for nukes

>>134836373
like i said, even if many people cashed out , way more would cash in, and the big players would manipulate the markets to drive it up as well, but yes we will see.

>>134835747
Because its not Joe and Jane from middle America holding crypto, its Lo and Zhang from Shenzhen China holding crypto.

>>134831587
clearly a nuclear war, im not convinced votl has our best intention in mind, could just be a gov psyop

>>134836388
k shill.
it's pretty obvious you get paid per-post because nobody here actually believes that blatant propaganda

>>134826428
>The only way that stock prices have been able to continue to rise is because of unprecedented intervention by global central banks. They have been pumping trillions of dollars into the financial markets, and this has essentially completely destroyed normal market forces.

Wew, (((who))) could be behind this?

>>134835747
Wow, an actually intelligent position on crypto. People think it's some kind of gold that will never lose value, rather than an investment propped up by speculation that far outvalues it's value as a currency.

>>134836593
I don't believe too, just some kind of shitposting.

>>134836540
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

1984 is now, you're feeding into the fear / psyop

the trillionaires have designed the market not to completely crash - that would result in a pitchfork revolution, they will avoid this at any cost. Besides, the average citizen could not begin to comprehend the complexity of the fiat credit scheme that has been implemented desu

>>134833595
No, it won't. That may be true if it's value was tied to the market it represents, but it's value is FAR higher than that. BTC will crash, sooner or later, for the sole fact that it is propped up by speculation rather than actual markets.

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>>134836466
>>134836540
pic related.

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>>134836426
You could replace the word China with USA/Australia/the west, and your state would still be true. Strange days.

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>>134836850
>This is the way the world ends
>Not with a bang but a whimper.
Look at the bottom 2 for gematria of September 23

>>134836928
So , where will it strike?

>>134836919
Of course it will crash, for now. But we're talking about what it will do when the stock market crashes first.

Soros bet a Billie and lost his ass. NBD

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>>134837031
Nice

>>134836850
Zerohedge is pure fear trash btw

>>134826656
>buy an apartment
wat

>>134837111
Fiat will be printed if that happens, and gold will be suppressed via the futures markets. This'll be bullish for btc because it's numerical value has to increase if the amount of Fiat that it's valued in increases too.

Perhaps this is why alpha was taken out - trying to remove the uses for btc..

>>134837317
Its what europoors do. I wouldn't imagine buying anything without a proper yard.

>>134836635
Reality is, without central bank interference, markets would've outright collapsed following 2008. What the long term consequences would've been, who knows, but I can tell you that at best it would've been worse than the great depression.

I don't like it as much as anyone, we're just staving off disaster in hopes that we can put it off long enough until the next one. It's taken us 8 years to even start recovering. In the position we are now, if another disaster strikes again, we have no tools left to put out the fire. You can't slash interest rates that are barely sitting at 1%.

>>134837401
Oh, did he mean a condo? I've never heard someone say they'd buy an apartment. At least by me an apartment is exclusively something you rent, a condo is something you own. They are basically the same thing though.

>>134836159
That was the first thing that reached my mind, for whatever that is worth. The subconscious is strong indeed tho

>>134837306
I consider it "The Sun" of financial """journalism"""

Clickbait galore

>>134837347
One good EMP blast / the chinks decide to fuck with the mining... i'm bearish once it goes post 10k / coin

>>134836940
There's definitely some truth to that, but there definitely are differences between the two. Australia crashing would just means coal is fucked and China is dipping.

>>134837632
>wannabe edgy hipster art directors using basic illuminati 101 symbolism to try and be "cool and mysterious" with their latest youtube vid
desu i've used blatant occult symbolism in my design work too, for shits and giggles mostly

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Sp500 is at an altime high. Its value is aprox twice it was during the 2000 dot com bust and the recession of 2009.

The charts that are on this thread about sales by CEO's. Some of them may be preplanned sales- you have to go to like etrade, and dig down abit to see if it was planned. Some are cashing in some shares because their stock price is probably at it's highest.

The way to profit is to buy inverse shares of the sp500 index. These are levged, so due diligence n shit.

Gold and silver is another way, but its hard to store gold in your home so you have to go to a service.

If the situation is really fucked up, and the dollar goes to shit, then having ammo, guns, knives and food/water stores are your hedge.

If its fallout new vegas, then add seeds and beans to your stores.

Hey guys, im betting 888888888 trillion dollars that tomorrow will be cloudy with early showers before lunch time. If im right, you owe me. If im wrong, i don't have the money to pay out.

>>134837453
>You can't slash interest rates that are barely sitting at 1%.

why not?

>>134838050
>The way to profit is to buy inverse shares of the sp500 index.
I think the term you're looking for is "short". And if you don't know what a short is you probably shouldn't be dispensing financial advice (although in this case you're not wrong)

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Today I will remind them.

>>134827251
What do I do if all I have is like 10 thousand in cash and no investments?

>>134837031
wow!

>>134838373
if there's going to be a crash in the short term you'd be best served by just holding it in cash, waiting for the crash, and investing at the bottom

>>134838192
The way he said it was more complex than feeding the scrubs and straight telling them to "buy put index options"

>>134837453
"but I can tell you that at best it would've been worse than the great depression."

clueless............... . ... .. . . . . . . . wtf

>>134838125
Because 1-1= fuck all. I suppose you can dip into negative interest rates, but even that is fucking backwards and can barely go past 1% without serious consequences. Last crash we went from over 5 to 0.

>>134827251
Thank Obama, the FED manipulating the rates to make Obama look good for eight years has created an upcoming massive crash.

>>134827677
It's been called...
QE bubble
Liquidity bubble
Everything bubble

>>134838192
yo asshole, there are "Inverse ETFs"... stop acting like an arrogant cunt

>>134838838
japan went negative
it didn't go well

>>134838747
>Banks so bad off they require almost 10 trillion dollars to bail out
>Market so fucked it requires trillions more to keep them afloat.
Now, what happens to these institutions, corporations, and banks without this money? What happens to millions employed by them?

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>>134826428
He's gonna lose that bet.

>>134838373
Hang onto it and wait for "the blood in the streets".

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>>134838192

Shorting is hard, and most /pol probably don';t have a margin account n shit. So a easy way to " make money even when the market goes down", and still limit your losses to actual investment amount is to pick up some shares of an inverse index.

Decent inverse etfs:
direxinon, and proshares. Again, due dilligance n shit, nigga.

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>>134826428
Finally we can get rid of fucking capitalsim

>>134839121
Parts of Europe as well. Hardly shining examples of exemplary economic policies.

>>134839219
he has 262 million dollars to show for his opinion, but what do you have?

>>134837453
>but I can tell you that at best it would've been worse than the great depression
That was the scary story the Treasury secretary privately told members of congress to get them to pass $700billion TARP bailout.

Not true.

We need bankruptcy and discharge of bad debts.

We don't need bailouts of the criminals.

>>134838846
"muh black presidint democrat iz good"

>>134839310
Yes, lets follow the Soviet example of crippling themselves and falling behind their competitors. Look at how state capitalism is working in China, if they stayed as they were they would still be an ass backwards third world country.

>>134839310
>central banking
>free market capitalism

God I hate commies

>>134839537
>That obama boot. I can't stop laughing.

>>134839544
That 700 billion was a joke, it was just feel good pocket change so investors and markets would chill out and think everything was going to be OK. The real money was doled out secretly by the Fed, 9 trillion dollars of it. If they asked Congress for the amount of money they really needed, the entire world would have crashed in panic.

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>>134839310
By removing Fiat currency and replacing it with gold/cryptos that ARE NOT state controlled?

>But comrade! In order to have another Communist utopia we must have centralised control of money and industry!

You commies crack me up, don't u get that we're already in a communist state and your ideology is actually in full effect?

Ministry for everything, state run everything, price controls, laws about citizens leaving their countries (passports)

How do u not know this already, comrade? Did u forget to actually read the Commie doctrines?

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The purpose of negative interest rates is to try to dial back the Ponzi Scheme.

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>>134839963
USD isn't state controlled or fiat.

Some turtles for your effort.

>>134826428
/Biz/ here. My uncle works at blimptendo, the stock market is fine goys, I mean guys

>>134840101
Yea there is, it's called growth. Without growth, the interest backed markets collapsed. We are looking at a slow growth world where yes, it essentially turns into a failing Ponzi scheme.

>>134840178
Oh good, a wise man on the subject of where money comes from.

Who controls it then? Who issues it? Who legislates that no other currencies can be issued?

Ahh the pixies, of course. It couldn't be the state, they don't make laws. Drop out of uni, it's making you arrogant on top of just being stupid.

Didn't this exact same shit happen in 2015?

>>134840410
You didn't refute my claims at all.

Why do you argue like a leftist?

>>134832019
see
>>134831161
cashed out more like 25%

Probably will sell another lot in August.

>>134827488
It is a lot for a single entity though. Soros has to get his $7 billion back somehow.

>>134840573
It's run by an independent board of member banks, if you don't know this you shouldn't be posting here.

You are a leftist/Commie by implicitly supporting Fiat, helicopter time down under me thinks. Just wow, dumb cunt.

>>134840797
>It's run by an independent board of member banks
Well that certainly refutes my claim that the government doesn't control it huh? You sure showed me. Where can I catch your next seminar, professor?

>>134840889
The Fed is a private bank beholden to its stakeholders, not the American people. The government can't even legally audit it. It's the biggest scam ever played on the American people, unfortunately we can't hang the politicians that allowed it to exist in the first place.

>>134840889
Who writes the banking legislation? Therefore who makes the laws runs the currency.

I'm not breaking down the entire web of Fiat banking on here, if you don't understand how it works type fed reserve into YouTube.

Very low level bants and use of feigned confusion, I detect an Indian. Go home.

>>134840889
It's obviously a bit of a big dance of various circles of power like always, but it's usually mainly the board of the NY Fed, with the board of governors as a backup counterbalance and the chairman to act as general steering head and spokesman.

The main reason there is more than just the NY Fed was to give the appearance that it wasn't just the "money powers" as they used to be called running the whole country as part of the way to sell the Federal Reserve Act.

And who owns the board members? Sometimes a strong President will strongarm them, but we useualy have weak Presidents when it comes to the financial sector.

I don't have any money, anyways. Maybe the stock market will crash onto my apartment and kill me.

>>134841126
>The Fed is a state in and of itself so powerful the government can't audit it

>>134841153
>the government controls the Fed

>>134841211
>The Fed is a state in and of itself so powerful the government can't audit it

>>134841153
I hate to argue to consensus but I just don't care about your inane opinions enough to continue to prove you wrong.

>>134841337
As many chairmen have testified, Congress had the power to create it, and Congress has the power to destroy, modify, or audit it. I never claimed otherwise.

But Congress is bought and paid for, so it takes its orders from the Fed for the most part and generally doesn't rock the boat.

>>134841337
This is disappointing, aussies are usually better informed than this.

idk man kys or do some research, but in the meantime stfu because you don't know what you're talking about.

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>>134839569
Yah let's follow the Soviet example by doubling the economic output in 3 years despite all these bullshit capitalist market collapses

>>134839795
>Dude just let the free market deal with currency

>>134839963
That isn't want communism is numb nuts. Communism is simply the public ownership of the means of production.

>>134841549
>>134841606
Not an argument.

>>134841337
Typical Indian response, all form and no function. 3rd world by 2020!

>>134839075
wat

>>134841609
>Dude just let the free market deal with currency

Yes

>>134838192
inverse etfs have been around for a long time, were there in 2008 when i traded

>>134838050
the real problem is that inverse etf's are not feeless. regular etfs are buy and hold - they have no fees that eat back the profit.

inverse etfs are not meant to be held more than a month at a time, the fees are high (makes sense because you're essentially shorting). they are short term hedging tools.

>>134841741
And how would that work? The Federal Reserve is already independent from the government

>>134826656
>sit tight for a couple of years, because a big fucking storm is approaching.
As someone who works in finance, let me tell you 2 things:

1) If your friend can accurately predict an economic event years in advance, he won't be working for a company. He'll have companies working for him.

2) If he knew this with reasonable certainty, he isn't telling people about it. Word gets out he can't profit on it anymore. I don't know many people that willingly decide they don't want to make billions of dollars with little work.

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>>134839795
oh yeah forgot about that, end the feeddd

(I would go to civil war for Trump)

>>134838373
Invest when stocks are on sale.

>>134841609
Which is already happened. Legislative monopoly's have been in effect for decades, ever wonder why you can't start your own bank/deposit taking institution or make your own cars?

This is effect creates state run production by having a few very large and easily manipulated corporations running things in lock step with government goals.

You'll never be legally able to compete with the big players because of this, so it appears to the fluoridated (((graduate))) as free market because everyone knows you're too lazy to actually investigate the subject.

This is why they mock you with the square hats at graduation, learn about how power really works and it'll start making sense.

Protip: the government controls you, it doesn't represent you. This is why trump is following the same agenda set out by Obama

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>>134840752

>>134842170
>they mock you with the square hats at graduation
>mind inside their box
wew m8 i know they love literal symbolism and double meanings but damn that one's just funny

>>134838074
Long Islander detected

>>134842007
>be the fed
>use the guns of the government to enforce that everyone uses your currency creating a monopoly
>sometimes people in other countries want off your petrodollar which would reduce your power
>make the your host government use its military to destabilize them and ensure the status quo continues
>keep point the guns at the citizens

It's independent in the sense that it has free reign over it because our politicians in the past fucked us over and gave them the power to have a monopoly over our currency. Money is a commodity that no organization should have a monopoly over. This is why libertarians and anarchist fap over cryptocurrencies

>>134842158
how do i know when

Alright listen up retards I own my own hedge fund that specializes in VIX trading.

Something like this is the result of VIX hitting the lowest point in 20 years last week. The 20 year average for VIX is roughly around 20 dollars. He's just using a reversion to mean principal to sell contracts above $15 which is perfectly normal for the most part.

Keep in mind the author of this article is Tyler Durden and it's hosted on zero hedge

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>>134838373

>>134842170
>ever wonder why you can't start your own bank/deposit taking institution or make your own cars?

What the fuck are you on about? The only thing stopping you from doing that is the billion odd dollars you need to be able to start.

>>134827093
Silver is a really bad buy, silver is good to pick up below $10 an ounce, right now it's not even close to there.

>>134827251
Biz is retarded. Don't listen to this guy

>>134832659
Probably not. You have to be a complete madman to go for puts below $10 on vix

>>134834737
I believe it's the gayniggers from outerspace!

>>134843101
>silver below $10
It certainly was a good buy back then but do you seriously see it going that low again outside of some transient dump?

>>134838050
It's valued the same as it was in 2000 with inflation adjustment

Everything else you said is also stupid, go look at gold in 2008 and tell me what you find

>>134842521
Read the article that Gadsden Anon posted upthread. The writer is talking about how to get the odds in your favor to time a market peak. A lot of the indicators listed work in reverse for a bottom. Histograms & insider buying especialy. The man knows his shit.

>>134826428
>$262 Million Bet

guess he wasnt really feeling it that hard or he'd bet more

>>134843297
I think so, I advised my clients to buy silver under $10.

Tax cuts will decide for the most part on whether or not it gets there. If we see tax cuts silver will likely fall beyond 10 depending on how much the dollar goes up as a result. Either way it's not a good idea to hold on to silver right now. And if silver never gets below $10 then you don't have to worry about holding on to it. If it's not a good price then don't buy.

>>134843752
How do you figure tax cuts in to the price of silver?

>>134835198
There's a lunar eclipse coming Aug 21 in USA. Before that there's a partial lunar eclipse AUG 7. Next full lunar eclipse is January 31, 2018

>>134826428
>Mystery Investor
You're not fooling anyone, George. Russia narrative is going nowhere fast, may as well sink the ship and America First with it and give Trump the Hoover treatment.

Keep your powder dry lads.

>>134827583
it's a normal website you pussy. Don't be scared.

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>>134843830
If taxes get cut then why would a person hold on to silver when Dow 30,000 is likely in store within a few years?

Same thing with foreigners, if our taxes get cut then Europeans and Asians and whoever else funnel their money into US equities and that causes USD to rise. Rising USD results in lower commodity prices for the most part. Some factors apply and some don't correlate perfectly but that's more or less the guideline.


If taxes don't get cut it doesn't mean silver or gold are buys either, they can and have fallen in recessions as well.

>>134827894

Fuck you faggot, get the AIDS and die to death. That cross-flagging archiver is the hero /pol/ needs.

>>134827251
It's fantastic that you can predict the market. Can I have just one million? You don't need all those billions.

>>134827583
http://archive.is/DLh5Q

>>134844099
Right, but most of the spot price of silver is based on derivatives held by large firms, not on supply and demand from individual rational actors. If the Dow is doing grand, people have money to spend, and everything is great, then there's no reason for the big player to short silver into the trash; that'd be a great time for them to go long on silver and then unwind their mountain of shorts at a net profit.

>>134843752
>advised my clients

kys larper... silver will never drop below 10 dollars ever again.

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trumpininini

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>>134842424
That's it, notice how Ben has a floppy hat.. it's cos he's a mason and he's in on the joke.

The other joke is that a square board is what u put cement/render/mortar on when you're applying it to a surface. You wipe the cement off the square board with a spatula and apply it to the surface.

>>134827251
>/biz/ here

sorry I'd rather trust a community college finance student

>>134842874
If you're trolling; congrats and have another (you)

If not... I'm sorry you're in this state of delusional thought, pol will fix u eventually. Good thing you're here forever :)

Let the learning begin!

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>>134844364
Subtle, very nice. Yet another layer, interesting tidbit for thought cheers m8

>>134843101
>You have to be a complete madman to go for puts below $10 on vix
Where do you see vix in three months? Is it perpetually low because there's no retail $ in markets any more?

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http://www.theopenscroll.com/hosting/SatanicCalendar.htm
UHH..

>>134827263
Honestly, with the repeal of glass steagall by Clinton, and only minor reforms by Dodd Frank under Obama, we are looking at a cycle of bubbles and crashes approximately every 7-10 years. Nobody really wants too much regulation back in the market, because they can't get rich quick with regulations, people I know that lost near everything with jobs selling loans with now failed banks in 2008, are right back in it, because they see people still want bad loans, and they "missed the days when you could make big money fast" and now want back in the game. They saw the opportunity to try and make it all back and more fast with big chunks and hope this time, they get out early enough. This is how the great depression came about, a cycle of bubbles and bursts that got bigger and bigger until the ultimate crash. But nobody really wanted to break up the party because they were getting rich quickly by essentially gambling and then more and more people start seeing that, thinking it's easy and they want to try for fast money, so they fall for the gamble and everybody thinks it can only go up, never come down until poof somebody is left holding the bill and all the fast money dissapeared.

>>134827894
umm kys ok my guy?

>>134844099
M-Martin Armstrong in the house?

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>>134845003
Agreed, and I would add to that the trend immediately after 2008 where they'd try to put in better rules each year at Basel and then each year they wouldn't implement the rules because everybody was actually too insolvent for the rules to be followed. And then they quietly stopped talking about it.

Kind of like they quietly stopped talking about stress tests except during that odd need for an excuse.

>>134827251
>tfw family lost all our money in 08
Here it goes again

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>>134844624
Thanks, interesting image you posted. Further down the rabbit hole we go :)

Something fun for u in pic related, my follow up image will contextualise it.

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>>134845568
>>134844624
Baphomet in signs and signals. Take care friend :)

>>134828116
Elaborate please. I understand the 144,000 (12,000 x 12 tribes of Israel) is the remnant of Israel that become believers in Christ and witness for salvation through Jesus Christ during the Tribulation and great Tribulation, they will also be the enemy of the Antichrist. what are you implying by saying they are "vagina cucks"? Is there somethinh I'm missing or does it have to do with revelations at all? Truly asking out of respect.

>>134844280
>most of the spot price of silver is based on derivatives held by large firms, not on supply and demand from individual rational actors
Not really, its mainly supply and demand.

If the dow is going good then people want high market exposure so they dont get left behind by the S&P or dow. As an investor your goal is essentially to beat the market, if your client could hold onto SPY for 5 years and have a better return than what you provide for them then youre out of a job. Silver is not likely to give a return that out matches the market unless there is a unique set of circumstances such as the european debt crisis in 2011-2012. Silver and gold are a very specific commodity set.

Shorting doesnt necessarily push down the price of something. It certainly can if a larger short position is being supplemented by careful manipulation of smaller long positions but that is circumstantial.

>>134844340
ok

>>134844738
predicting VIX in 3 months is more or less impossible. Theres a few reasons why its really now right now, for the most part people are able to predict how the market will react this last year fairly well. Keep in mind its more or less a linear line up so its not exactly difficult to notice the trend and make predictions. Retail investors wouldnt change the market all that much, i would argue most retail money is tied up in mega caps for the most part like the tech giants or FANG so again, not necessarily changing the market as a whole.


VIX moves up when people cannot accurately predict where the price of the SP500 will be. Right now its really easy to predict it because its just moving upward nearly every single week from November. The last huge VIX spike was the day Comey published his memos which caused the SP500 to fall about 2% and some change, VIX only 16 something if i remember right.

This investor is more or less saying that he thinks the SP500 will fall roughly 2-3% in a short amount of time so he can cash out his calls at $15.

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>>134846106
oops

forgot my chart

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>>134827894
Time to die, Heretic.

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>>134831587
How do I join the Illuminatti

>>134846106
I wouldn't say take a goldbug's view of whether silver is a good place to put your money. Certainly if it goes below $10 then that would be a good buy. But it's a very rigged market. You'll know supply and demand are driving it again when the price of paper and physical start to come unstuck.

Even something like SLV is in significant part a derivative on top of derivatives in order to amplify the impact of having paper trades further marginalize the supply and demand aspect of physical.

The Jews will retaliate against Trump for stopping the flow of money and weapons to Isis, and not towing the line to make Russia the enemy.

The fed will purposely tank the economy and offer to fix it if Trump starts the next war

>>134841657
thats funny because you didnt make an argument either

>>134845279
Exactly. another thing most people dont understand about the bailout is how of a role AIG played in essentially ended up with the biggest banks getting 100% or more on the dollar for their losses. First the banks get a bailout for their insolvency to stay afloat and not completely obliterate the economy in 2008. It dosesnt help that Nancy Pelosi goes on a rant about the bill on the house floor threatening to not pass it because republicans. Stocks start crashing huge numbers a few days in a row. Banks say give us money or everybody loses their money. My disgust is with the bailout to AIG, the insurance on the toxic securities. After getting the bailout, the banks begin consolidating each other then went to AIG to collect on their insurance. AIG also had to be bailed out after Obama first got into office several times because AIG couldn't pay what they had insured. So in some instances the banks were bailed out on two seperate ends for 100% on the dollar or more. Also nevermind that there were no stipulations expressly given to the banks on what they were to use bailout money for. It was implied they were to keep lending or help with priciple forgiveness. Nope, gave themselves huge bonuses and other bullshit. The second gilded age.

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This is what this trade looks like on a graph

Anything above the red line is profit

Sure is a doomsday trade

The market will correct once there is the realization there will be no september rate hike as forecasted by many analysts.

>>134838554
dumb. buy gold now

>>134846106
Respect. Thank you. Are there many fellow Deus Vults in hedge fund land?

>>134827251
Buy eth

>>134846989
no it wont
Tax cut is the only thing that will send it down

>>134847089
lots of Oy Veys

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>>134831587

'He will fly thru the sky, the rains and the snows and strike everyone with his rod.' - c2 q2

*^_^*

>>134846570
Of the fed does that they will get BTFO. They are fucked. The most hilarious thing is Trump's trump card. The very shitty NDAA provision that pres can detain anyone. Hahahahahahahaha. You couldn't write a more hilarious Trump card if you tried.

>>134826428
VIX

>>134838373
dont listen to these idiot telling you to hang onto it. fiat money is worth FUCK ALL in a depression and you will need valuable items instead. invest in gold, silver, and oil

>>134826656
Fuck this shit man. I'm moving in with my mom. Gonna mooch for five years. That's literally the only way I get situated and go on to save the white race. I need that ten, eleven grand a year I'm handing over to the property owner. Fuck him.

Actually in my city I can ride it out for several months and cannot be removed until my lease is up.

>>134838373
Dry powder, buy SPXL if there is ever a recession, Sell when you reach a 400% return

join it boys, spread our influence
/EGVHv7

>>134827810
In a severe depression or hyperinflation scenario, people aren't going to be paying their mortgages.

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>>134847368
>>134838373

>>134847282
California the eviction process is about a year to 18 months for renters.

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Dude I desperately need the next five years to continue being prosperous so I can climb out of debt. I cannot handle another period like 2009-2011. If these kikes fuck us up again this time the people are getting bailed out. My credit cards and student loans are forgiven.

>>134848039
If there are tax cuts everything will be fine. If there are no tax cuts then likely going to be a blowup within 5 years

>>134827457
I'm thinking of buying a full butcoin on the off chance it becomes the thing and suddenly balloons 10,000%

>>134847127
>lots of Oy Veys
I used to work the private client side as a mid-level compliance monkey and they made my life a living hell. I feel ya.

>>134830887

Large % shareholders also must file form 13 (or Schedule 13). This is also a good sign of rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Just FYI

>>134831587
this is some fucking garbage tier larping christian level retardation fucking retards need to get banned

>>134848308
I'm working on my own right now seeing how well i can run my own firm. I really dont want to have to go back to an institutional firm or bank. Position sizes are tiny in comparison to what i could be working with but holy shit if i have to hear morty goldbergstein talking about golfing with the CFO of Halliburton again im going to go full kristallnacht.

1/?
I work as an investment banker, I and many other co-workers, clients and associates have begun withdrawing assets since the beginning of this year.

I've also done work as a business consultant recently for sino-steel in china, as well as a few other large companies and a few well known banks. The business consulting I do involves specifically economic and political risk assessment, I have an extensive educational background in high finance and have my masters in politics, philosophy and economics.

I can't even begin to describe to you how dire the situation is economically speaking. We're on the precipice of the single worst collapse of our life times, and likely to be a defining moment in 21st century history, and history as a whole.

My work with businesses and banks has given me a lot of insight into things not normally made privy to the general populace.

The entire NASDAQ and particularly the top 100 stocks have been artificially inflated by several banks who've been selling massive amounts of gold and silver to keep the price consistently low despite demand being at an all time high as a result of china, russia and india stock piling these commodities for fear of economic collapse. Not to mention consumer confidence is at an all time low which often sees gold and silver prices rising, you only have to look at bond yields in America to understand how low consumer confidence is, we're at a 3 year low and its lowering every day, not to mention that bonds have experienced artificial inflation as well by the same banks.

The U.S is still due for more rate rises this year, this is going to cause multiple types of loans to begin defaulting in an exact repeat of 07/08.

We're looking at massive student loan defaults, mortgage defaults, car loan defaults, personal loan defaults, ect.

We're looking at housing bubbles popping in the US, Europe, Australia and Canada which I've been saying for months, and I told the canada bros they'd be first to go, and now look.

>>134826428
I have seen this on ZH a few times over the years. Always nothing. Could be something this time, probably not though.

>>134848773
>>134846976

>>134848728
2/?

China is on the verge of a financial collapse as well, if America sinks China will go with it. The number of issues with chinas economy rivals that of even America.

If anyone is reading this or interested I can go more in depth, and maybe get into some detail regarding insider information that I have

I dont know if anyone will really take interest in what I have to say though, I get ignored a lot when I post about this.

>>134839430
That's his max potential profit, not how much he spent.

>>134848728
>The entire NASDAQ and particularly the top 100 stocks have been artificially inflated by several banks who've been selling massive amounts of gold and silver to keep the price consistently low despite demand being at an all time high as a result of china, russia and india stock piling these commodities for fear of economic collapse
this is not true, banks never held large amounts of gold or silver and the US SP100 has fucking glorious earnings reports right now which is why people keep throwing money at them.

>Not to mention consumer confidence is at an all time low
thats wrong you fucking larper, consumer confidence for Q1 and Q2 of 2017 has been phenomenal

>The U.S is still due for more rate rises this year, this is going to cause multiple types of loans to begin defaulting in an exact repeat of 07/08
All that is going to happen is Morgan Stanley makes a shit load and Goldman Sachs gets pissed they didnt get on the fixed income strategy early enough.

>We're looking at massive student loan defaults, mortgage defaults, car loan defaults, personal loan defaults, ect.
not as bad as you think it is

>>134848682
You made the right call. You'll be happier, live longer, and since you have the knowledge, you'll still make plenty of shekels.

Good luck, man. Hope you make enough to do battle with Soros someday!

>>134832019
Why would he cash ouy and just sit on dollars? Theyll be useless

>>134849310
Ive unironically learned more from Soros than anybody else. Hes a cunt, but a fucking smart cunt. If youre ever interested you should read Alchemy of Finance by soros, you'll learn a lot.

You have no idea how much my stress level dropped when i switched from US equities to volatility index futures.

>>134849439
VIX trading is a lot of waiting around for something to happen. Maybe 10-20% of your net liquid will be in either an inverse or long position on some type of VIX ETN, and the rest is dry powder waiting for a large spike in VIX, in which case go long on the way up, and go inverse on the way down.

It may seem wasteful or inefficient but more times than not the 10-20% ETN position will match the SP500, while the 80-90% left over ends up making super lucrative swing trades.

>>134833681
Erdogan

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>>134848995
>I can go more in depth, and maybe get into some detail regarding insider information that I have
Spill it.

>>134849249
>banks never held large amounts of gold or silver

Hahahaha. The Deutsche bank has sold a notoriously obnoxious amount of their fucking huge gold reserve. Banks are also working with commodity traders to manipulate the price of gold and silver and the banks shift the liquid assets into a set of predefined nasdaq stocks to inflate them. It keeps the gold price low and as long as the banks can convince consumers that the economy is healthy, they can shift some of the profit back to the commodity traders to make their money back, its literally a house of cards and can't continue forever, we're deadly close to the stock bubble bursting.

>consumer confidence for Q1 and Q2 of 2017 has been phenomenal

Also wrong, the best indication of consumer confidence is bond yields which are increasingly LOW. Consumer confidence based on surveys and other such methods are bullshit, because 99% of people are economically illiterate, and can't recognize the signs of a fragile economy.

>not as bad as you think

It's exactly as bad as I think. I do this for a living, financial risk management is part of my job.

>>134849780
I'm interested. Elaborate some more please if you're willing.

>>134834189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM

Soros also bet 1 billion Hillary would win.
Though the signs are pointing to an economic crash later this year. MSM will blame trump, but he will of had time to prepare.
Canada is even more fucked, they are about to get 2008'd

Also China won't survive another major crash.
Something like 2008 happens again, the country will implode

>>134838891
>liquidity bubble
The liquidity of what? Everything?

But if he wins the bet he loses since the ensuing inflation would make his money almost worthless

>>134850096

attempting to buy an election with coercive and subversive tactics is not the same as betting on an outcome

>>134849977
>muh deutsche bank
Deutsche doesnt have any fucking gold because no trader would buy gold in the last half decade. commodities are fucking junk right now because of oversupply and strengthening USD.

Do you follow US consumer confidence reports or are you just pulling that out of your ass? Post election there has been a huge swell of confidence in the economy with consumer confidence reports showing that and company earnings showing phenomenal quarters.

Any European or Asian bank is filled with the rejected applicants from American banks who werent competent enough to get a seat somewhere. When American companies want to unload toxic assets they ring up Europe or Asia or Australia to sell them snake oil.

>>134850045
what do you want to know about? be a little more specific

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>>134848995
Go on.

A lot of People bet for a Crash lately.

Best happenings are the financial happening especially when you got not that much on the bank.

I really wonder if the guy from this site is correct

http://didthesystemcollapse.com/

>>134850435
Deutsche Bank is currently a buy right now btw.

muh german lehman brothers. dont be mad you didnt buy under 12

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>>134827093
Fuck you. I keep trying to forget all that shit about the fed.

>>134850148
They suffered hard stock market crash 2 years ago. SSEC threads was pretty comfy.

Good thread lads. Someone should make another one

>>134850892
feel free

>>134850520
The best possible start position is when west countries have already cut you from western markets some years ago and you have stocked up 5% of gdp worth in gold.

>>134851020
Here I made a new thread

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>>134850435
>what do you want to know about? be a little more specific
Your trading strategy. How/where did you learn it? I'm actually considering buying "Alchemy.." after reading reviews, even though I despise the cunt. The reflexivity theory rings true.

>>134833982
Becuse most of /pol/ was in middle school during the first crash

>>134847431

Deflation yes. Hyperinflation no.

Hyperinflation is typically implemented on a national monetary policy level in order to screw over debtor nations; it's not something that occurs naturally in an economy. So if you are Post WWI Weimar Republic Germany and are getting hammer by war reparations, you just devalue the shit out of your currency by printing out money to pay off the French & British. Of course this fucks up your domestic economy, but it gets your creditors/debt off the sheets.

After the 1970s, the Western monetary policy has been to hit inflationary targets at the benefit of creditors i.e. banks. So if shit hits the fan, we won't see a hyperinflation, but rather policy to make sure they get paid out first from the taxpayers (like what happened with the 2007 bailout b/c it worked and they got away with it).

>>134826428
How will this affect Mexico?

>>134851991
Immigration problems