>rants about Marxism causing degeneracy >doesn't realize

Yuri Bezmenov would like a word with you.

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>>134762714
Not only that, but all communist leaders and thinkers are family men.

Most Nazis were either aspie NEETS (case in point, Evola, Nietzsche), degenerate motherfuckers (Mussolini) or something in between (Hitler)

>>134762880
Communist:
>Cites undeniable historical facts
Poltard
>My maymays and e-celebs are turning the frogs gay on slave colonies on Mars

>>134762880
>Implying that Soviets have funds and opportunity to actually do that and USA let them to do it for free.
Yuri is defector and he will tell what his new masters want for him to tell.
Also USA agencies were behind it.,

If we want to make communism better we need to gas Marxists, anarchists and other "communism " these niggas don't know history

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>>134762957
Implying you have a job or a girlfriend

>>134762957
The point of communism is to eliminate the family unit. End your life commie.

>>134762957
was she christian?

>>134764944
That was the jew Trotsky plan, but Stalin saved Communism in the purge from those idiots. Soviet Union was extremely pro-family with Stalin and after. The ones who survived subverted your "democracies" to cope with it.

>>134764884
You both should gas yourselves. All failed men who forced their family to struggle. Marx said he didn't even think about communism outside europe IT'S LITERALLY A ECONOMIC SYSTEM TRACK DESIGNED FOR WHITE PEOPLE AND IT DIDN'T EVEN WORK FOR US. I mean honestly neither of you have any connection to white working class gas yourself

>>134762714
>doesn't realize that the CIA is the reason the post-modernist movement was even created
>doubledigit IQ /pol/ will never realize this
/pol/ know
/pol/ don't care

>>134765169
No it was simply early socialism in communist striving states. They would share wives and did multi family unit homes to attack the family unit. I believe one pre USSR state tried to normalize pedophila and it will happen if you faggots got your way because you're weak and lefty/pol/ doesen't want yo call out the kikes even though they suck off stalin

Also since I kinda shut down you faggots apparently, reminder when the USSR was invaded the rheotric went full nationalistic to the point stalin said " Fight for the motherland die for your blood" you don't even have that ability.

>>134765457
communists are red devils and they eat children

t. US propaganda

>>134765457
Why are you whining about "muh traditinal family"?

>>134764944
>>134765457
A blatant lie. Karl Marx specifically talked about the importance of family, and had stricter views on it than German society around him.
>>134765025
I don't know... One way or the other, she had to maintain the facade at least.
>>134765169
>That was the jew Trotsky plan
Citation needed. Lenin rejected fringe calls to do all kinds of crazy degenerate feminist stuff, Trotsky wasn't involved with it to begin with.

>>134762957
>Most Nazis were either aspie NEETS (case in point, Evola, Nietzsche),


>nietzsche
>nazi
is this bait?
he died 25 August 1900 (aged 55) before the weimar republic was even created and world war 1 started.

>>134763085
>can't green text properly
You have to go back

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>>134765802
Nothing I said was wrong. Early socialist states were basically orgies for kikes

>>134765881
While he was obviously not a Nazi, he was praised and widely exploited by them.

>>134765990
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_socialism
the first socialist services originated in germany.

>>134766017
wherent his books burned when the ntsocs got into power?

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>>134765802
Also karl marx never supported his own family. Commies only worship gay abstracts

>>134765802
Karl Marx was also a German chauvinist. His personal views are not particularly reflective of modern Marxism.

>>134766174
>>134765990
answer my question pls>>134765796

Marxism doesn't have time to cause degeneracy because once it's in full effect everyone degenerate is either sent to a gulag or shot in the back of the head in the middle of the street. The only reason Capitalism causes degeneracy is because it allows people to live freely enough to make bad decisions.

Anyway, hopefully once you're out of high school OP you'll read a few books and realize why Communism has never worked in any of the countries it's been implemented in (and if you really think the CIA was responsible for the deaths of millions in Soviet Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Cambodia rather than communism, then you're even more gone than I thought)

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>>134762714

/pol/ will never swallow this red-pill because most /pol/tards are (((libertarians)))

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>>134766272
See>>134766174
Because real people (not commies) care about real things

>>134766288
>Marxism doesn't have time to cause degeneracy because once it's in full effect everyone degenerate is either sent to a gulag or shot in the back of the head in the middle of the street. The only reason Capitalism causes degeneracy is because it allows people to live freely enough to make bad decisions.

degenarates where either purged in the soviet union or where ent to work camps.

degeneracy only happens in capitalist countries or socialist ones.

>>134765990
>Implying legalizing abortions, introducing childcare and making a marriage a free and independent choice of affection is somehow orgies for kikes.

Communism did not buy into retarded feudal customs, nor capitalist degeneracy.

You have conviniently forgot to mention that prostitution was fully legal in the Russian Empire, but was banned in the Soviet Union, and childcare protection also meant repercussions for adultery and divorce in a family with children.

>>134766433
Exactly, how can you support a system where you are 'purged' from society for thinking incorrectly? Do you really think humans will be able to 100% control their nature one day to the point where death for insubordination is even remotely justifiable?

>>134766368
Ok, but if you want to have traditional family, then just have it. No one would forbid you. And if someone prefers to fuck whores insted of having a familiy, why do you even care?

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>>134766492
All the upper levels of the communist parties were I am starting with the 7 million street kids your ilk caused because you worship kikes first off

>>134762714
Is it the new communist tactic to pretend that feminism, antiracism, homosexuality acceptance, etc. are "capitalist" inventions?

>>134766594
What are your political views?

>>134766594
Spoiler: He thinks he'll be a party member, not one of the guys getting purged for being too bourgeois.

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>>134766660
Do what you feel bro lmao
Ok now what is weakest thing you would throw me in the gulag for.

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>>134766355
They can't handle the true RED pill. Communism.

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>>134766660
>Arguing in favor of a degenerate lifestyle
Yup, you're a modern commy alright

capitalism and communism sucks

>>134766691
>feminism
All good feminism is socialist invention. All bad one is capitalist.
>antiracism
Multiculti, affirmative action and identity politics.
>homosexuality acceptance
Well, duh. Not acceptance, but enforcement. Communists don't care much as long as faggots kept to themselves and stay out of children.

>>134766594
>Exactly, how can you support a system where you are 'purged' from society for thinking incorrectly? Do you really think humans will be able to 100% control their nature one day to the point where death for insubordination is even remotely justifiable?


if those purges dont happen this happens.

Statistics on Sexual Promiscuity Among Homosexuals
http://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity

STD Facts - Syphilis & MSM
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis

Syphilis Makes a Worrying Comeback in U.S.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/sexual-health/syphilis-makes-worrying-comeback-u-s-n100606
WHO Warns HIV 'Exploding' Among Gay Men, Urges Preventive Drugs
http://www.afp.com/en/news/who-warns-hiv-exploding-among-gay-men-urges-preventive-drugs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Different_from_the_Others
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_a_Lost_Girl
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_(1930_film)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_in_Chains
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_Box_(1929_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft
>The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft was an early private sexology research institute in Germany from 1919 to 1933
>It was headed by Magnus (((Hirschfeld)))
>Magnus Hirschfeld coined the term transsexualism, identifying the clinical category which his colleague Harry Benjamin would later develop in the United States
https://youtu.be/Oph14OIUdQ0 [Remove]

and dont foegt tranny children.

>>134766715
People have the right to do anything they want so long as they are not directly harming others, the role of government is to represent the will of the people, protect them from outside theats, give them a society in which to function, and give them equal opportunity to get ahead in life (without mandating equality of outcome on them).

That's the TL;DR of my political views, throw whatever stupid label you want on there so you can judge me for the label and not the views

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Ee-early socialism wasn't a major orgy for kikes at all! What do you care about the russian peasents?!?!
This thread is very amusing

>>134766938
>implying fascism isnt just state capitalism

>>134767030
And you think that humans driving the purges rather than nature is ideal? I thought you people believed in social Darwinism

>>134766905
See
>>134767036
Starve to death while your leaders fuck each other all day xD fuck all these homeless children amirite

>>134766738
>comparing nazbol to jewish communism.

>>134766738
also since youre a natsoc what makes you think you would not get purged for being a degenarate too?

>>134766662
>All the upper levels of the communist parties were I am starting with the 7 million street kids your ilk caused because you worship kikes first off
IDK what are you ranting about. Take your pills, idiot.
7 million street kids were because of famine, WWI and Civil War funded by Anglos and other imperialists in order to conquer Russian People and supress communist thought.

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>>134767043
>implying you're not just a faggot obsessed with your abstract dogma over your people and country

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>>134767126
>And you think that humans driving the purges rather than nature is ideal? I thought you people believed in social Darwinism


social darwinism only works on a small scale as you can see here capitalism breeds degeneration and it breeds big banking rings herding the goys into an idiocratic consumirist society.

given that democracy is a scam.

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>>134763085
>Cites undeniable historical facts
you and your ilk doe nothing of the sort
kys

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>>134766918
>advocates genocide of jews and niggers
>complains when jews and niggers got btfo

>>134767043
it has government intervention in it to favor some companies that produce certain things that state wants

fascism is better in it's dogma than both capitalism and communism

>>134767253
>idk you're talking about
Idk maybe the article I keep posting
>goes on to half ass defend what he doesen't understand
Lol okay schlomos goy

>>134767387
>degeneration
> a man divorcing a new wife every week and leaving children on the street isn't exactly that

>>134767253
>7 million street kids were because of famine, WWI and Civil War funded by Anglos and other imperialists in order to conquer Russian People and supress communist thought


not to mention why dont these fuckers ever mention why the revolution started in the first place?
tsarist russia treated its peasants like serfs.
it was only until the dima was erected that the people got some basic rights.

nicolas was an absolute monarch.

also ww1 did not help.

>>134767253
Do you have any source for that? Can you attribute any of your purported 'advantages' to actually living under communism, and can you actually attribute any of its failings to western forces? Because it seems all you're doing over and over is saying 'No we were the good guys I promise and every single instance of anything bad was totally not our fault!'

Like, you might get a shred of credibility if you were open about Communism's flaws, but you're being so open and shit about it all that it's kind of hard not to just write you off as a misunderstood 14 year old.

>>134767034
Seems you're a liberal.

>the role of government is to represent the will of the people
> and give them equal opportunity to get ahead in life

But do you understand these things almost never been implemented in reality.

Governments always represent the will of rulling classes (to some degree) and one never gets equal oppurtunities.

>>134767530
An american nigger was in the first soviet goverment along with a shitload of kikes

>>134767043
>implying lenins new economic policy wasn't state capitalism aka fascism

>>134767307
I actually care about my country, but sadly can do noting about that.

>>134767387
So if (((they))) are the ones scamming us all and driving the necessity for these purges, why do you believe (((they))) won't end up as the ones doing the purges anyway?

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>>134767253
Russia was fine before the bank funded "revolution"

greedy communist scum

>>134762714
Pretty sure the Bolsheviks made a name for themselves by killing, and then ass raping their dead opponents and leaving their pants down so that others can verify the fact that Bolsheviks are homosexual necrophiliacs.

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The only thing degenerate communist deserves is a mass grave filled with his comrades

>>134767690
hitler was also a fucking jew wtf is your point

>>134767532
Anyway, fascism doesnt reject capitalism proposing some other economic system instead.

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>>134767641
Yet a child was assured a family.

Also everybody read this shit.
Early soviets had state enforced cuckolding lmao

>>134762714
Free societies are vulnerable to ideological viruses. That's the price of freedom. The fact that capitalist societies are free gives fertile ground for pseudo-intellectuals, postmodernists and Frankfurt school theorists.
Keeping that in mind, saying that we would be better in a totalitarian shithole, which is inevitable result of Marxism is not an argument.

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>>134762714
Neck yourself commie trash

>>134767835
Spotted the actual kike

>>134767699
Educate yourself, nigger.
>>>134767799
>Russia was fine before the bank funded "revolution"

>Educate yourself, nigger.

>>134767791
>So if (((they))) are the ones scamming us all and driving the necessity for these purges, why do you believe (((they))) won't end up as the ones doing the purges anyway?


stalin did a good job of purging the kikes he directly ordered the assasination of trotsky for example.

and purged alot of kikes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139050/

>>134767802
citations?
the bolchivics are the more exstreme version of the menchivics.

>>134767973
It was objectively better

>>134767908
>Early soviets had state enforced cuckolding lmao

lmfao chads wet dream.

>>134768036
>It was objectively better
The Russian Empire? You must be mad...

>>134767975
Stalin was simply a freak of nature the fact the even let him in. Besides he was a good goyim till they needed to win a war. If you had a copy of the protocols of zion you and your family would be put against a wall

>>134767965
the jews tried to run communism

tried.. they used to call it żydokomuna and they got btfo

in Poland specifically, they asked them to leave, all jews

>>134767973
>>Russia was fine before the bank funded "revolution"

the burger forgets the german empire in ww1 funded the bolchivics.

>>134768123
he forgets in the late war there was daily rioting and the cities where practically starving.

had tsar nicolas not been a retard he could have stayed in power.

>>134767673
Equal opportunity to me simply means the government does not favor one class of people over another as a rule, the United States is a fine example of that in my opinion. I was wary putting that there because I knew it'd be misconstrued but I do believe the role of government is to enforce the law of society, and allowing everyone the chance to at least try accomplishing things on their own merit is what I believe the 'equality' aspect of government should be about, though I would say its primary focus should be defense and public service.

>>134768036
There is not a single - I repeat - not a single objective metrics by which the Russian Empire was better than the Soviet Union.

>>134768192
>in Poland specifically, they asked them to leave, all jews

citations?

>>134768254
Not even territory, because Warshaw pact should be counted as Soviet lands, if we would count Finland and Poland as part of the Russian Empire.

>>134767973
you are right, it wasn't state capitalism but it was simply an attempt to steal as much as possible.

the comintern was specifically designed so russians could sign Volga Volga in the kolhoz while they steal grain from other countries

>>134762714
all decadence in the west came from leftists. Every time leftists dump a shit on the world (hitler, stalin, post-modernism), they pretend it was their eternal enemy (western christian conservatives and classical liberals) who did it.

>>134768123
Yeah it was dude. You're a cuck for kikes. All these children in this article don't matter to you. >>134768075
A commie who approves and wants to get cucked by chad while paying for it.
Wew lad

>>134768280
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

>>134762714
fuck off lefty pol raider

>>134768400
Except that this never happened. Where are my proofs?

>Protip: they don't exist.

>>134768254
Homeless children metric
Wow took me literally 2 seconds
Btfo'd faggot

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>>134768400
throw out more buzzwords shadilay

>>134768187
>the fact the even let him in.

he seized power. and killed or purged everybody who wronged him or was an asshole towards him when he was still in the lower ranks.

that man was exstremly inteligent and cunning.

>>134767975
I don't think citing Stalin as an ethical basis for why humans should be able to drive their own purges is the best tactic, even if he did manage to purge a few of the 'right' ones in the beginning

>>134768495
Typical commie intelligence on display

>>134762714
True /pol/ is against capitalism

Nazis and NazBols are united in their struggle to remove the AnCap menace from this board.

>>134768523
How about you read the conversation? The soviet state forced you to pay for kids that were not yours

>>134768535
>I don't think citing Stalin as an ethical basis for why humans should be able to drive their own purges is the best tactic, even if he did manage to purge a few of the 'right' ones in the beginning


lenin said that the soviet union would need a democracy or a balkinazation of power.

but still can we both agre that traiteurs politicians and rapefugees should be purged?

>>134768400
Ok, I get that. Dont reply to my posts anymore.
>>134768358
And you, keep posting. Your posts are really funny.

>>134768510
Homless children were one of countless plights that the Bolsheviks inherited from the Imperial Government and fixed it in no time. There were barely to none homeless children in the 30s already. There have always been homeless children in the Imperial Russia.

>>134762714

Communism red pilled....

The biggest killer in ex-communist countries is alcoholism............. Well that's only since the state is no longer the single biggest killer.

>>134768526
He got lucky he sucked up and to the right kikes seems like to me. Like I said if you had a copy of the zion you were in trouble

>>134768710
>The soviet state forced you to pay for kids that were not yours


just like youre tax payer money now goes to paying and food stamps for some nigger or sandnigger with 6 kids?


>>134768753
the soviets also practically wiped illitracy right?

>>134762714

I despise communism, but I agree people always confuse economic marxism with its mutated form that some call cultural marxism. The latter aims to destroy the foundation of society, the nuclear family, whereas economic marxism wants to equalize things in the economic sphere.

>>134762714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society
where did it all go wrong

>>134768721
I will do whatever want commie faggot. You don't like it go back to cripple kike chan

>>134768753
>There were barely to none homeless children in the 30s already

citations?

>>134768629
capitalism or crony capitalism?
or you are saying true pol is a Marxist?

>>134765990

Except the Kulaks, they had to be killed. All what -- 6 million? The size of the entire city of phoenix,az or seattle,wa.

>>134768753
I get it you refuse to read the article.go back to hating your own people

>>134768870

Meet me behind the main chowhall in Gulag 6. I have all the information hidden in a 6x4x8 hole. Once you jump inside of it Comrade Vasinsky will throw it down to you.

>>134768835
A commie once again defends state enforced cuckolding

>>134768881
kulaks=meritocracy=capitalism

>>134768711
Traitors yes absolutely, politicians I'm iffy about because while it gives them impetus to act as they should, it creates a troubling precedent for if the deep state wanted someone actually doing good shit gone. Rapefugees I'd rather let stay in their own countries, though if they come here and are caught commiting crimes then I'd say absolutely (on an individual basis)

>>134768247
>the United States is a fine example of that in my opinion
Some people on /pol/ whine about non whites getting some privilegies (like quotas in universities). Do they actually exaggerate?

>>134768881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcJKWUhyemA

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>>134762714
You know, I think people who post with communist flags are just larping for fun. Be honest, you can't seriously want this.
<--- Here, have an anime for peace

>>134769054

useful tool=guns=innocents murdered=communism

>>134769166
>he thinks communism won't have anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvoTbL-SESA

>>134769014
>A commie once again defends state enforced cuckolding


anwser my qeustion.
>just like youre tax payer money now goes to paying and food stamps for some nigger or sandnigger with 6 kids?

>I'm iffy about because while it gives them impetus to act as they should, it creates a troubling precedent for if the deep state

to prevent a deep state a balkinazation of power could be implemented.

in the case of rapefugees simple deportation and alternativly work camps should be enough to get them to fuck of.

>>134769014
don compare nazbol to jewish communism.

>>134769275

Oh lovely a bunch of reruns of NuPagodi.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwi7d0f91Y

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>>134762714
>The absolute state of communism.jpg

lol

>>134769277
where are these citations from?

>>134762714
I would say as someone who was desecended from those who escaped Bolshevik rule that you are right in a lot of ways, however, the nature of Communism is Internationalism and as such will inevitably produce the same sickening end results - that is - the collapse of human spirit, culture, and independence. By creating a mass herd of subservient peoples under the vague notions of some lofty idealism you have essentially stripped every aspect of humanity out of an individual and replaced it with something more robotic.

My grandfathers memory of Communist times go like, "A lot of tears, hunger, and blandness." He spoke on how empty day to day life felt.

That is the reality here.

>>134769388
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1926/07/the-russian-effort-to-abolish-marriage/306295/

>>134769567
Archived it for you https://archive.is/zS1zz

>>134769584
Thanks eternal Norchiver.

>>134769467
if the menchivics got to power it would have been much better.

>>134769567
thanks comrade.

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>>134762714
>Realize that degeneracy came from Christianity
>mfw it still comes back to the jews

>>134769467

Adding to what you wrote.

Communism strips people of their metaphysical beliefs replacing it with the state as a religion and that alone is enough to completely decimate meaning in peoples lives.

The irony in the end is that the two most fastest growing religious countries are China, and Russia.

>>134769467
Personal experience, especially such a polarising one, cannot be a good evidence.

We live in 2017, and we see that Russian spirit collapsed as capitalism was restored.

We see that the decadent West is collapsing and the Communist China is rising.

Fuck you commie state-cucks.

You want your lives to be dictated to you by elites as long as they are commies. True free market capitalism (not what we have now) is the way. Free market capitalism reflects the balance of nature, communism is like living in a human zoo.

/THREAD

>>134769584
i love you archive sama.

>>134769700
lmfao all abrahamic religeons are related senpai even pisslam to abraham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

>>134769719
>Communist China is rising.

china is communist only in name.

>>134769719
>China
>Communist
Pick one

>>134769719

>We live in 1984, and we see that Russian spirit rose as capitalism was restored.

Are you so fucking clueless. Do you know what the average age of the Russian was just a decade ago? Birth rates? Alcoholism rates?

The biggest killer in the USSR was drinking..... What kind of life is that for people. Where the literal only way out, or to escape is to drink some locally toilet brew spirits.

>>134769805
you're right all the jewish spawned religions are

>>134769091
No, what they're saying is true. It's at that point where I believe Universities are overstepping their bounds. I believe in equality of opportunity, which is to say that anyone with equal test scores should be admitted regardless of race or sex. What the marxists in the typical US university believe in is equality of OUTCOME, that is to say that everyone who applies should be accepted regardless of test score (especially minorities who may not otherwise deserve it, because they 'struggled more to achieve the same'). I believe that all this does is pull people to the lowest level of the group, and should in no way be implemented at a federal level (where I think that equality of opportunity is already in a much better place)

>>134769745
> True free market capitalism (not what we have now)
but this is the same argument that communists use

>>134769719
I would be more inclined to direct you to sources such as "Ivan's War" which tells of the day to day life of front line fighters during the Second World War.

Yes, the West is decadent but Communism was the underlying symphony that played to conduct its demise. You see, the natural state of Communism is social decay and replacement with monotone culture. Look at Soviet building styles for example, they actually resemble the same kind of empty feelings that modern architecture emulates. This is because when it came to psychological warfare the Bolsheviks were always a step ahead of many other organizations at the time.

They appealed to the neo-Nihilist senses and that's why a lot of their recruits were so haphazard and callous. The war for Poland in 1920 for example was led by a madman Nihilist.

What I mean by all of this is the only way to succeed in a Communist state is to adhere to the monotone culture and to exist in a web of both brutality and callous remorse. This is why I imagine my grandfathers memory of Communist times being so empty and lifeless. Because there was really nothing going on around him except for adherence to the ideology that attempted to exist as both a spirituality for the people as well as their culture.

You must remember, the end goal was to eradicate all human culture and replace it with Communism as THE culture.

>>134769745
In the end, the nature is what is winning, the nature is what is surviving.

Thus, your so called "True free market capitalism" has nothing to do with nature and nothing but a useless pipedream. Communism is objectively the only force in the world we live in today not overtaken by rot and decay.

>>134769700
>Realize that degeneracy came from Christianity
>atheist fags still trying to shift blame despite on Christians for their push to normalize degeneracy

>>134762714
The communists pushed this shit on the west to promote degeneracy within them.

See the Yuri Bezmenov stuff, jeeze

>>134769745
>True free market capitalism

SHALOM yes goy suck that big banker dick you like that big free market dont you?
not to forget the whole world is run on fait currency since the gold standard has been abondoned.

its not like we made consumerism to bassicaly make you into cattle with money instead of milk.

>>134769984

So? it's true. Commies blame capitalism for the state of the west, but the system we are under is already infected with socialism, that's why it's so fucked up, because SOCIALISM RUINS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES. Look at Venezuela

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>>134770050
>he thinks that turncoat 3rd rate civil servants begging not to be deported back won't say anything their new masters want to hear

>>134770032

Communism collapsed nufriend. Capitalism did not. Survival of the fittest is a bitch.

>Communism is objectively the only force in the world we live in today not overtaken by rot and decay.

See. Venezuela

>>134770032

>Communism is objectively the only force in the world we live in today not overtaken by rot and decay.

Thanks my commie dictator for forbidding rot and decay, and even defining what that is for me!

>>134770032
>Communism is objectively the only force in the world we live in today not overtaken by rot and decay.

That is inherently wrong considering that the legacy of Communism was all decay. What most Communists refuse to accept is that the annihilation of human culture and an attempt to centralize culture around a bureaucracy not only stranglehold human development but actually lead towards its extinction.

This is why men such as Mikhail Tukhachevsky were able to excel within the Soviet framework even at such a young age. They were Nihilistic, self-destructive, and callous in their leadership. This is the Ideal Communist - an empty vessel of annihilation.

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>>134770158
Socialism and welfare in ANY form can only work in a homogeneous society

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>>134770013
>Look at Soviet building styles for example

that is brutalism after stalins death also the commie blocks existed for the reason that alot of people where moving int o the cities and they needed buildings asap.


heres some stalinist architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinist_architecture

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I have little faith in socialism but I think we can all agree the Jews latch their talons into literally everything and then ruin it.

>>134770158
>Look at Venezuela
I like this game. Then lets look at some african or asian capitalist shithole (or even at Russia)

>>134770051

Are you retarded? The way the banks run things now is not free market capitalism, that's still the problem. Socialism and banks have infected communism.

>>134770158
>Commies blame capitalism for the state of the west, but the system we are under is already infected with socialism,
but if your capitalism keeps get infected by socialism doesn't that means your system is inferior?

>>134770351
They couldn't keep a society together no matter how they tried, or what they were given by others.

communism is the future, we're not ready for yet

>>134770287
>Thanks my commie dictator for forbidding rot and decay, and even defining what that is for me!


its the jews no its socialism.

fucking nigger we can both play youre little game here look at some shithole african countries that are capitalist.

>>134770374

sorry meant to say capitalism instead of communism.

CAPITALISM INSTEAD OF COMMUNISM-

FOREVER

>>134770341
It is very fascinating to study the similarities between modern Capitalist architecture and Soviet architecture because at the end of the day they seem to echo one another.

I always say that modern architecture is just Communist buildings styles covered in a gloss.

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>>134770158
>commies blame capitalism for degeneracy.

where did degeneracy start? i don't remember degenerate nigger music such as Rick James coming from the Soviet Union

San Francisco didn't exist in the soviets pacific coast.

Whose fault is degeneracy if not the west? Seems like you living in a fantasy land.

Asians and africans dont count. Nobody expects them to get it right.

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>>134770351
some random shitskin fuck up because their governments tend to be corrupt and are shitty people
>Capitalism doesn't work!
literally every communist and crypto-communist nation have collapsed into shit holes, and have starved or massacred their own people in masses
>doesn't count..c...capitalism has failed in some nations too

>>134770374
>The way the banks run things now is not free market capitalism

there exactly that people go to them there essentially monopoly's

also where did degenaration start faggot? the soviets purged degenarates.

>Asians and africans dont count. Nobody expects them to get it right.

>BUT THATS wast treu capitalism XDXD.

>>134770527

Degeneracy always goes hand in hand with commies, what ideology are most degenrate liberals pushing today, dumbass? They are against capitalism, because they dont want to live in a meritocracy.

Degeneracy is BECAUSE capitalism got infected with socialism, it came from the spoiled hippie baby boomers who think communism is chic.

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>>134762714
Marx and the early (pre-Stalinist) Soviet Union were extremely degenerate. The fact that historical tankies weren't as disgusting and Jewish as their anarchist and trot compatriots doesn't mean that Marxism is good.

Bury it deep, Yamaguchi.

>>134770777
>Degeneracy always goes hand in hand with commies, what ideology are most degenrate liberals pushing today, dumbass? They are against capitalism, because they dont want to live in a meritocracy.


caitalism always degenerates into degeracy you moron .

every single capitalist state.

See Sir Roger Scuton here.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2014/12/is-sex-necessary
on the role of sex in society.


Every civilisation ended with a period of decadence and cultral decline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM [Embed]
mouse utopia experiment.

>>134770594
>that's not capiltalism's fault, those niggers just cannot into capitalism

weak argument try again pls


Funny, but Russia turned into a total shithole after the restoration of capitalism. So capitalism, not socialism (stop confusing communism with socialism, you stupid fucks) caused it.

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>>134770777
wrong

degeneracy makes $$$

has nothing to do with socialism, degeneracy will always come from capitalism because it is profitable

for example, two home after a divorce are more profitable than one house. you buy two sets of toys, two sets of appliances etc, single families are more profitable and better for the economy.

communism isn't set up like that, was set up for the family and extremely inefficient because of that.

the inefficiencies of communism were to make it easier to have families.

degeneracy will always be the byproduct of capitalism

>>134770784
>Marx ...degenerate
U wot m8? Claimed divorce must not exist and fidelity must be absolute.
Engaged at 16, 3 children.
>Muh antidegenerate fascism
Mussolini fucked whores all his life, treated his bastards like dirt.
>Muh untidegenerate nazism
Hitler fucked a couple of whores, his niece. No children.

>>134771171
>No children
well, he did have some children, he never cared about

>>134771104

Oh I see. So in your commie paradise, only the LEADERS are degenerates, while they force everyone else to follow strict social codes. That's brilliant, you're actually CONTAINING the degenerates by making them the leaders! You've sold me, comrade!

>>134771104
>degeneracy will always be the byproduct of capitalism

In some cases that is certainly true. The reality is both systems are inefficient and are simply going to lead to human extinction.

>>134770683
>also where did degenaration start faggot? the soviets purged degenarates.
Communist maybe fucking retarded plebs but even they understand the concept of "don't shit where you eat"

>>134771034
>Funny, but Russia turned into a total shithole after the restoration of capitalism
Russia has been a total shit hole since even before you Bolsheshits took over, its as much of a shithole today as it was 50 years ago.
>(stop confusing communism with socialism, you stupid fucks)
The economic system of a communist government is socialism
>hurr this is crimson not red! stop confusing it!

Yeah, but those are Gramsci principles either way.

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>>134771171
he had his first son MURDERED because of how degen Mussolini was. Hitler also used meth every morning from '37 to his death, and heroin every night from '40 to his death. Its all in his doctor's notes.

>>134762714
Commies weren't based get over it

>>134770777
degenaration makes cash for youre local business so what do they do they market nigger culture and music to the young ones to suck them up into a life of nigger style hedonism.

you can see it perfectly with niggers and wiggers.

>>134762714
>doesn't realize (((who))) caused degeneracy to spawn in the west
Probably the same people behind this thread

>>134762714
Degeneracy spawned out of a rejection of God, and this atheism manifested itself as the Left / Marxism. Nice try...

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>>134770784
Bury it deep yamaguchi

>>134769984
The difference is that when something very close to free market capitalism was tried, it cave us the richest country the world has ever seen, the largest middle class the world has ever seen, and the most economic mobility the world has ever seen. Communism gave us dead bodies.

>>134771430
Don't forget about Hitlers gay orgies and the Jew lampshades goy.

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>>134771171
He also didn't clean himself, didn't work, and lived off his capitalist benefactor Engels. As to the USSR (which you ignored, because you know it's true lmao), free love was the norm among the elite and governance was completely shit-tier, because it wasn't a real country so much as Jews harassing Slavic peasants and jerking off onto the Manifesto.
Like I said, Stalinism is not -that- bad But on the other hand, Stalinism is arguably fascism with a Marxist veneer and modern commies fucking hate Stalinism for being bad-goy reactionary.

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>>134770784
burry it deep yamaguchi

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>>134771104
The biggest reasons of degeneracy are the following:
A family man and especially family woman are extremely unprofitable for a corporation to have as an employee.
A workforce united on the basic of their economic interest is extremely unprofitable for a capitalist to work with.
Thus, a family must be destroyed, and a workforce must be made to fight among themselves over breadcrumbs and bullshit like race, sex and gender.
Voila, you have a perfect corporate drone. Once it expires, you can always import replacements from 3rd world breeding pits.

>>134771320
>doesn't want degeneracy
>complains about strict morale codes

wtf is wrong with you... the only degenerate was gorbachev.

you really have no argument because you know the west is significantly more degenerate even now.

BUT MUH JEWS

>>134771430
>Hitler also used meth every morning from '37 to his death, and heroin every night from '40 to his death. Its all in his doctor's notes.


citations?

>>134771390
>The economic system of a communist government is socialism
Stil not getting that... Educate yourself, nigger.
>Russia has been a total shit hole since even before you Bolsheshits took over, its as much of a shithole today as it was 50 years ago.
I dont compare it with the West, I just compare Russia (and other post soviet republics) after and before the collapse of the USSR. And you know, seem capitalism has failed.

>inb4 that's not real capitalism!

>>134771690
where the pic from?

Thus, a family must be destroyed, and a workforce must be made to fight among themselves over breadcrumbs and bullshit like race, sex and gender.
dont forget the wage gap bullshit.


the tactics the bakers use are divide and conqeur.

>>134771690
exactly, not even saying socialism is good but ... claiming that it caused western degeneracy is completely retarded

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>>134771739
At the root of it, there is none.
But remember, it's important to slander the enemies of the Jew as much as possible. No matter how ridiculous and absurd that it gets.

God damn it looks like the whole Marxist Discord chat is here

>>134771916
>bullshit like race, sex and gender.
Another fault of Communism is ignoring human reality. This is the essential when understanding the similiar goals of Communism and Capitalism. Both reject humanity in favor of callous idealism and both will lead to our annihilation.

>>134762714
Its always amusing how little leftist theory alleged leftists actually know, and how poorly people are able to differentiate between various versions of Marxism (hey turns out calling the work of a bunch of unprincipled "theoreticians" who wind up contradicting eachother in a thousand places the same thing might be a bad idea, who the fuck knew). People here who talk about Marxism don't give a fuck about Marx; they're talking about 20th century leftist sociology, which frankly Marx himself would've not understood and probably despised.
If you really want to identify as a leftist, go read Proudhon and Bakunin, and pretend Marx never happened.

True but that doesn't mean system was good. In fact it was awful.

>>134772068
>n-no, the way WE treat humans as fungible economic units is different!

>>134764884
ML's are usually fine because many of them tend to be Stalinists and are often open to the ideas of nationalism. Marx himself offered a good critique of capital but his internationalist solutions and ideas that the state would "whither away" seem utopian. The revisionists are usually better than Marx himself, a couple of which being Niekisch and Sorel.

>>134771899
>>Russia has been a total shit hole since even before you Bolsheshits took over, its as much of a shithole today as it was 50 years ago.
>I dont compare it with the West, I just compare Russia (and other post soviet republics) after and before the collapse of the USSR. And you know, seem capitalism has failed.
>>inb4 that's not real capitalism!


to be fair the sanctions the us put on russia do not help.

also the other post soviet countires are still dealing with the fallout of the fall of the soviet union.

>>134772068
>>bullshit like race, sex and gender.
he meant that the use divide and conqeur tactics.

also dont compare cultral marxist and economic marxism.

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>>134771730
>resorts to using the vague argument of "capitalism is degenerate" because every single other argument for communism has failed miserably.

Your betting on the good possibility that there isn't a degeneracy index stat for us to analyze. Anything that can be analyzed shows that communism sucks.

>>134772033
>Marxist Discord chat
link?

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>>134771690
>A family man and especially family woman are extremely unprofitable for a corporation to have as an employee.
thats complete and utter bullshit
A family man and woman produce and raise children who will end up in the workforce. Not only that but a middle class family will also have surplus income which they will use to purchase goods produced my companies and corporations continuing the cycle of consumerism.

A s strong family unit is the natural defense system of a society against degeneracy, which is why communist have been trying to subvert it in Western society since the 60s.

you fucking tankie revisionist are delusional little shits

>>134762714
>muh communism

Kill yourself.

>>134772159
>ML's are usually fine because many of them tend to be Stalinists and are often open to the ideas of nationalism. Marx himself offered a good critique of capital but his internationalist solutions and ideas that the state would "whither away" seem utopian. The revisionists are usually better than Marx himself, a couple of which being Niekisch and Sorel.

marx his solutions needed and required alot of refining to work properly the thing is communism could work if it was operated slightly diffrently .

>>134772142
Spot on.

>>134772189
>he meant that the use divide and conqeur tactics.
These aren't "divide and conquer" tactics.

Recognizing the science of Race is crucial in understanding the way we can exist peacefully in the future. Both Capitalism and Communism fail routinely in understanding humanity and therefore reject the notions of human compatibility in favor of an economic model.

It isn't a real shocker that the Marxist recruitment pool are generally those who act as brutal as possible. The famous leaders of Communist times were all Nihilistic and brutal, reflecting the Communist economic position as well as social positions. It is reflected all over Communist thought.

The Capitalist notion is of course an economic one too. If you ever work you will hear people say things such as "Corporate Communism" because of how reflective the two are of each other.

>>134762714
>doesn't know before Stalin Bolshevik Russia was degenerate af with gay parades and widespread HIV
kek

>>134772257
the family unit was destroyed by capitalists not communists

>>134772475
>gay parades and HIV in 1920's
Sure.

>>134772257
>A family man and woman produce and raise children who will end up in the workforce. Not only that but a middle class family will also have surplus income which they will use to purchase goods produced my companies and corporations continuing the cycle of consumerism.


and if the woman works the bis makes more money housewifes are not popular anymore since theres an economic goal there as well.

>>134772475
tsarist russia was a shithole but not that bad stop spreading bullshit. homosexuality was stil punshed.

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>>134772199
Arguing for capitalism in response to Marxism is gay.
Communism never existed; it can't exist because communism is synonymous with the total dissolution of human society. If you want to talk about economics you should argue against socialism, but the real meat is in social issues. Economics is a tool that you use to get the societal outcome that you want. Marxists want a fundamentally different society from liberals want a fundamentally different society from fascists.

If you hold efficiency and muh GDP as the highest social good, then keep going. But otherwise I think you're missing the mark.

>>134762714
>comrade i am becoming of sadness
>comrade this is wrong, you have violated glorious communist utopia am of reporting to police

>>134771899
>Stil not getting that... Educate yourself, nigger.
wow great explanation slavshit, communist governments are economically socialist no matter how many semantics gymnastics you play.

>I dont compare it with the West, I just compare Russia (and other post soviet republics) after and before the collapse of the USSR. And you know, seem capitalism has failed.
literally any system will fail when the population is consistent with millions of criminal prone alcoholic dredges like Russia

>inb4 that's not real capitalism!
unlike communist and socialists, no one needs to make this excuse. Capitalism has actually been fruitful.

>>134772199
considering that keeping families together and making families stronger was the entire point of communism

Read German ideologies

>vague argument

how would you describe the character of the west vs socialist countries, one thing that I will never fault communism for was the healthcare and childcare it provided

etc...

>>134762714
>he doesn't realize that Consumerism is Keynesian in nature

>redistribute wealth through Government aid to people who have not contributed to production, which would've made them deserving of receiving that wealth (and which wealth wouldn't have come from taxation, which is theft)
>discourage savings by conitnually expanding the money supply, therefore causing inflation which constantly devalues the buying power of money
You'd be stupid not to seek to spend your money as fast as possible, before the powers of inflation devalue it. But at the same time making it so that you really have no room for careful and smart planning for an investment, since that requires time to plan and probably acquire the necessary initial capital for an investment. Which phenomenon is made even worse by the Government redistributing that wealth (therefore ability to spend) to those who are unsuccessful, meaning those who haven't produced and are most likely to not spend responsibly because if they were responsible with their spending they wouldn't have been in a shitty place to receive the Government aid in the first place. So then to summarize..
>encourage fast spending, allowing less time for careful planning therefore increasing the likelihood of wrong purchase/investment
>distribute wealth (therefore spending power) to people who are most likely to spend their undeservingly received spending power to useless shit

>>134772532
Europe as a whole was WEIMARED during the 20s and only Stalin was redpilled. The other (((communists))) were as bad if not worse than any (((capitalist))).

>>134772392
Well the only way internationalism could be viable is if you had a system of mutual cooperation between socialist nations in which borders and sovereignty were respected.

>>134772710
>considering that keeping families together and making families stronger was the entire point of communism
wew lad

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>>134772518
it sure was leftypol cuck

>>134772605
>and if the woman works the bis makes more money housewifes are not popular anymore since theres an economic goal there as well.
>Implying this was the case prior to all this feminism woman's lib bullshit began to perforate society

>>134772642
>Capitalism has actually been fruitful.
It is indeed fruitful but it is still rose-tinted glasses. The biggest problem of Capitalism is that it alienates a society and usually destroys culture the sameway Communism does.

The difference is under Communism human expression is limited within a tight margin whereas in Capitalism human expression is granted within the framework of Money Power (i.e. the way to have power in Capitalist society is to have Money. More money = more power).

However, this generally creates the reality that the people who accumulate money in Capitalist societies tend to be cancerous such as money-lenders, stock brokers, etc. This creates "shadow government" and the reality is that the ones in possession of the highest amounts of money power are the ones who control government.

That is why all of this shit with the DNC boiled over to a head because this is the reality of Capitalist Governmental systems.

>>134772718
No it wasn't and you don't know shit about what you're talking about.

>>134772733
Yea but the (((people))) behind (((communism))) have different goals in mind.

>>134772605
I meant Leninist Russia.
>In the early 1920s the Soviet government and scientific community took a great deal of interest in sexual research, sexual emancipation and homosexual emancipation. In the 1920s the Soviet Union sent delegates from the Commissariat of Health, led by Commissar of Health Semashko, in January 1923,[19] to the German Institute for Sexual Research, as well as to some international conferences on human sexuality between 1921 and 1930, where they expressed support for the legalisation of adult, private, and consensual homosexual relations, and the improvement of homosexual rights in all nations.[9][19] In both 1923 and 1925 Dr Grigorii Batkis, director of the Institute for Social Hygiene in Moscow, published a report, The Sexual Revolution in Russia, which stated that homosexuality was 'perfectly natural' and should be legally and socially respected.[20][19] In the Soviet Union itself the 1920s saw developments in serious Soviet research on sexuality in general, sometimes in support of the progressive idea of homosexuality as a natural part of human sexuality - such as the work of Dr Batkis prior to 1928.[21][17] Such delegations and research were sent, and authorised, and supported by the People's Commissariat for Health under Commissar Semashko.[9][17]

>>134772257
>A family man and woman produce and raise children who will end up in the workforce. Not only that but a middle class family will also have surplus income which they will use to purchase goods produced my companies and corporations continuing the cycle of consumerism

That is why a strong communist government protects family.

A capitalist corporation, in turn, doesn't give a shit about such things. It can't give a shit about such things. If it doesn't maximize profits and minimize costs at any cost at all, they will be out-competed, the top-managers will be fired.

>>134770348

Karl Marx, a man who blew his entire inheritance on the stock market. Hates jews.. lol Oh the irony of that fucking guy.

>>134772710
Kek! Nothing screams wonderful healthcare and childcare like socialist countries.

>>134771899
Or, I like this MAH 90-TH argument. You don't take in mind that RF after 1991 got all the production lines and management from SU. And it all fucked up because it was INCREDIBLY uneffective. Soviet plan economy failed this stress test and collapsed.
And yet again, economy could transform slower and with less losses but Eltsin's crazy MUH SHOCK TERRAPY band fuckes it up. And where did come Eltsin first, huh? Oh yeah, "first Secretary of the Moscow city Committee of the CPSU"

>>134772427
>Recognizing the science of Race is crucial in understanding the way we can exist peacefully in the future. Both Capitalism and Communism fail routinely in understanding humanity and therefore reject the notions of human compatibility in favor of an economic model.


the thing that is plaging capitalism nowadays is banking rings consumerism wich leads to degeneration. and the eneviteble fait currecy collapsing this little ponzi scheme cant keep running forever.


>>134772733
thats what lenin originaly intended and what i think a good solution would be something like the us with a federal and individual state geverments.

it was called the union of socialist republics for a reason.

>>134772844
you forget the part that ater the degenerates did the revolution the would be purged afterwards.

you know the term usseful idiot right?

>>134772899
What did I say that was wrong?

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I am so embarrassed for anyone that uses a hammer and sickle flag unironnicaly.

>>134762957
>Marxists don't bother understand their own ideology
Really gets the synapses a joggin

>>134772977
>the thing that is plaging capitalism nowadays is banking rings consumerism wich leads to degeneration. and the eneviteble fait currecy collapsing this little ponzi scheme cant keep running forever.

I would agree with this but suggesting that Communism produces something positive is equally destructive. The reality is both economic systems produce a social system that is destructive and creates nothing more than human annihilation.

>>134772925
>That is why a strong communist government protects family.
A strong communist government protects the communist party, not the citizens of said country. I though this was blindly obvious to everyone.

>>134772905
>The Bolsheviks also rescinded Tzarist legal bans on homosexual civil and political rights - especially in the area of state employment. In 1918 Georgy Chicherin, an openly homosexual man, was appointed as People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR. In 1923 Chicherin was also appointed People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, a position he held until 1930.
This is what marxists want. Only Stalin took care of this stuff because he saw what degeneracy and polygamy does to a country.

>>134772925
For socialism to work you would need a small homogenous population which is more intelligent than most, specifically Europeans. Or white America but liberalism would have be crushed since 30% of whites are (((liberals)))

>>134772870
a good solution to the banker problem would eb to remove usury but if you remove that you remove a major part of capitalism.

supprisingly the mudshits doint use usury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking
Sharia prohibits riba, or usury,

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>>134772977
>using degenerates as your revolutionary class
Ideological differences aside I don't think that's a great plan.

>>134773114
Heuehue faggot

>>134773169
>Through the abolishment of the Tsarist legal code in 1917, the Russian Communist Party effectively legalised homosexuality. The initial Russian Soviet criminal code contained no criminalisation of homosexuality as the subject was omitted,[10] as were the matters of murder, rape, and incest.[11]
>muh based commies

>>134773176
It still doesn't work and European countries have a large degree of economic freedom

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>>134773199
>Ideological differences aside I don't think that's a great plan.

usseful idiot to instigate the state after that you purge them all.

very smart isnt it? there essentaimy proxy's for the treu cuase.

>>134762714

>implying degeneracy isn't a communist subversion from centuries ago by the NKVD

>>134772994
It's not what you said, it's what you're thinking and what you're thinking is simplistic bullshit you read on /pol/.
Europe as whole was still highly conservative in outlook before WW2, and that includes Germany of that period.
You were shown cherry-picked bullshit about stuff that was happening in major urban centers. There's far more to this subject in any case, it's not as simple as ''muh X pushed Y and so Z happened''.
Read some fucking books. Scrolling 4chan doesn't replace books.

>>134773351
White liberals and mom whites aren't a winning team dick sucker.

>>134773169
i wonder if the myth that lenin was a faggot was treu or not?

lukely stalin got into power after lenin died.

>>134773465
I wouldn't be surprised if he was.

>>134773387
The rapid growth of liberalism and the power vacuum caused by the abolition of a monarchy aristocracy didn't give rise to radical political movements?

>>134773179
Bankers are supported and protected by the government. The way to solve this is by legalizing the use of any currency in the country (allowing a free market for currency). This is how the banking cartel almost lost control of the USA during the Jacksonian era.

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>>134773176
It doesn't even have to be small, it just has to be homogeneous and nationalistic with a strong state. Stalinism worked, for a certain definition of working.
>>134773351
But how do you actually initiate the revolution if they're all fat, drug-addicted and riddled with disease? And if they actually manage to carry it out, how do you purge them before they do irreparable damage to the nation?

>>134772925
>Not only that but a middle class family will also have surplus income which they will use to purchase goods produced my companies and corporations continuing the cycle of consumerism
>That is why a strong communist government protects family.

>"a communist government encourages consumerism among its citizens"
We are reaching levels of retardation that shouldn't even be possible.

Communists don't care about the family, only the party. Communists have no problem tearing a family apart if their loyalty to the party is questioned.

>>134772925
>A capitalist corporation, in turn, doesn't give a shit about such things. It can't give a shit about such things. If it doesn't maximize profits and minimize costs at any cost at all, they will be out-competed, the top-managers will be fired.
The US has been a free market capitalist since its inception, only recently has it adopted creeping socialist policies. The degeneration of western society has only infected the US since the late 50's when the soviets began their demoralize campaign to demoralize the US from within.

>>134773169
>Implying letting homosexuals do their thing as long as they keep it to themselves and stay back from children isn't the best possible policy regarding homosex.

>>134772870
>However, this generally creates the reality that the people who accumulate money in Capitalist societies tend to be cancerous such as money-lenders, stock brokers, etc. This creates "shadow government" and the reality is that the ones in possession of the highest amounts of money power are the ones who This is entirely true
But something that could be adverted with a ore educated population and laws that prevent corprotists from essentially buying government officials.

>>134773179
Usury has a very strange history with the West because it actually does provide SOME merits in future expansion. However, that is the central drawback to all Capitalist thought: Capitalism is always based around short-term gain and profit rather than long-term sustainable expansions.

Things are not "built to last" in Capitalist economies because that would be inherently destructive to the Capitalist system.

Over time, Capitalism begins to overtake the Nationstate which is what happened in the United States. The key to these systems is to study them over the course of their existence.

Capitalism always starts with a genuine desire for free trade and always ends with a sort of mafia-type power struggle in which certain factions hold immense and insane amounts of power due to their accumulation of Money Power.

For Communism, it was always those must willing to display the brutal aspects that are the foundations for the Bolshevik State. In order to subdue human culture and enact the Soviet Culture you must be brutal and callous. You must be willing to destroy, to enslave, and to possess an ambition of neo-Nihilism.

Both systems are inherently destructive in this way especially the longer they exist because ultimately the end results of these systems is annihilation.

>>134773674
>as long as they keep it to themselves
>an open homosexual

>>134772960
>hurr durr

nothing says i need more immigrant niggers for muh profits than capitalism

>>134773584
To assure healthcare to all citizens it's has to be small and you need a above replacement TFR even more than you would in a capitalist society. It's a shame white conservatives don't realize that they would be best test subjects to see if a collectivized or nazi era type system could work.

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>>134772977
>you forget the part that ater the degenerates did the revolution the would be purged afterwards.
>you know the term useful idiot right?
you forgot the part where the soviet union collapsed you fucking dumbass.

>well yeah they totally spread this degeneracy but once the red army rolled its tanks into Washington they would have all been killed
I hope you have a beautiful family that dies in a high speed car crash.

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>>134773292
>>muh based commies


*laughs in stalin*

>>134773783
Nothing says ability to stop immigration like private property rights and armed citizens with a right to self defense.

>>134773721
Central banks are where the currency has been socialized and it is one of the largest indications that capitalism has been subverted by a corrupt government working with big business and socialist.

>>134773959
Stalin was the only one he was more of a nationalist compared to all the other soviet leaders.

>>134773757
>as long as they keep it to themselves
>an open homosexual
Lol he wasn't. I doubt he was a homosexual at all. Burgheoisie lies most likely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Chicherin

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>>134773959
>b-but Stalin, ignore all the other kikes that came before him
Stalin was literally a fascist.

>>134772518
This is an important redpill many refuse to take. Capitalism is just as destructive to traditionalism and ideas of the family as Communism is.

>>134774108
The only good homosexual is one that stays in the closet

>>134773718
>But something that could be adverted with a ore educated population and laws that prevent corprotists from essentially buying government officials.

Agreed but then this requires a more controlled form of Capitalism. Because Capitalism in its pure form will produce this as an end result. Then, we must ask ourselves which is more important: The State or Personal Economic Gain?

That is the tight rope we walk.

>>134773902
>I hope you have a beautiful family that dies in a high speed car crash.


nice try but im an 20 year old autistic virgin.

>>134774025
ofcoarse he was more nationalist operaton barbossa was called the great patriotic war for a reason.

>>134774153
Which is why pre-1950s USA was completely degenerate

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>>134773292
so many gay Pride parades in Wilnius during communism...

oh wait there was only one when you balt niggers held hands

>>134770594
>>134772642

Your system has crashed time and time again, bringing in poverty, homelessness and suicide. Only daddy government saved your stupid asses last time in 2008 when yet another speculation bubble burst, forcing people out of their homes while leaving thousands of houses empty or unfinished, wasting tons of resources and energy in the process
So you found the perfect solution to prop it up, you go around the world and fuck shit up in country where there are resources so you can put in some corrup bastards to let him steal them and then bring in some weapons and mcdonalds in exchange
Nevermind the massive outsourcing that robbed the people of a decent living, turning your country into a massive fake service economy ponzi scheme where people drug themselves with SSRI, heroin, trash media and junk food, resulting in the unhappiest and fattest country of the western world
There's also agricultural subsidies, education levels plumetting, egregious costs of healthcare

You're the textbook definition of a whore, you've forfeited any actual intellectual honesty and objectivity just to score some good boy points with some phantom ideology you're not even aware you're prozelytizing like a good little cuckold
No sympathy for your kind, I understand why the reds shot people like you without a remorse

>>134774253
>>134774153
It's almost like economics isn't the only factor in play here.
It's almost like there's (((another element))) that needs to be considered.

>>134773902
>you forgot the part where the soviet union collapsed you fucking dumbass.

well thats the thing comrade the kennedys singed americas death warrent not the soviets alone.

The Kennedys can burn in hell for the immigration act of 1965.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1965

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>>134762714
Kys larping flag nigger

>>134774220
>nice try but im an 20 year old autistic virgin.
I should have figured as much from a tankie

For all their faults the USSR was right in gulag-ing homos and pornographers.

>>134762714
Fuck Sanders and Fuck commie kikes.

>>134774210
The more controlled capitalism is, the more degenerate society has become. Just look at early USA vs modern USA. This is because without welfare, we have to rely heavily on family and community for support.

>>134774253
Capitalism pre-WWII and Capitalism post-WWII are two completely different beasts. Capitalism is just one part of the picture, as Socialism is just one part of the picture. The relations of international finance, banking, world governments, and the military industrial complex, were completely reshaped during and following WWII.

>>134774313
>saved your stupid asses last time in 2008

not to forget the burger literaly gave the suadis political immunity deu the petrodollar deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar
all t save the crumbling kike economy.

>>134774016
>Central banks are where the currency has been socialized and it is one of the largest indications that capitalism has been subverted by a corrupt government working with big business and socialist.

This I do not doubt and there is a very eerie history between Americans who were against the Central Bank and those who were for it. But I think ultimately this isn't necessarily "socialist" as it is a sort of intrinsic nature of accumulation power for the sake of power.

That's why it becomes a tight rope to walk because while economic liberty is healthy as it allows for individuals to climb both the social ladder and economic ladder it can also lead towards the type of mafia like tactics that big business employs in expanding its own powers and giving itself authority.

This is why Nationalism is healthy and important because it can create a framework in which one can reject the individual nature of destruction for the sake of power accumulation. Now, I am not talking about a Communistic style of rejection of the individual self because one must have individual worth and merit and be allowed to grow individually but there must be a framework for this to happen in order for a generation that is mature, responsible, educated, and ready to work to thrive in.

>>134774462
I agree with this but also it is irresponsible to suggest that uncontrolled Capitalism will produce anything but mafia style control.

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>>134774313
>our system has crashed time and time again, bringing in poverty, homelessness and suicide.
Oh recessions! how horrible *pay no attention the millions of people starved to death in communist and socialist regime trough the 20th and early 21 first century, or the countless other people imprisoned for thought crimes. No people left with less money and a low standard of living for a few years due to a recession in a capitalist nation have it far worse*
>You're the textbook definition of a whore
>UN flag fag
oh the irony
Opinion trashed

>>134774320
>It's almost like economics isn't the only factor in play here.
>It's almost like there's (((another element))) that needs to be considered.
The mind depends entirely on the gut. There are no issues that aren't economic issues.

>>134774697
>Muh over 9000 Gorillion

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Marxism is massively degenerate, since Marxism is just Judaism and Jewish subversion rebranded. Marx came from a long line of Rabbis.

The whole idea that race is "social construct", and people should just race mix out of existence and accept endless third-world immigration (so the "workers of the world can unite) can unite spawns from Marxist ideas about class.

Successful people shouldn't rise to the top and be rewarded for their efforts and talent, everyone should be brought down to the same level (which is just a lie anyway) and never be exceptional, that is degeneracy of society.

Heritage, history and culture should be abandoned and be replaced by a global grey blob culture with a hammer and a sickle. Russia had their culture ruined during the USSR, Mao's "cultural revolution" destroyed thousands of years worth of priceless artifacts, and made China a sort of soulless, deracinated, non-country because of Marxism. That's degeneracy.

"Gender is a social construct" so everyone should abandon gender roles and men should become faggots and trannies. Again, derived from the idea that "class is a social construct that should disappear.

Destroy the family unit because it's a tool of "capitalism". More degeneracy. Feminism is an extension of Marxism.

The only reason some states in the Eastern Bloc didn't have those problems is because they were already subjugated militarily and economically, so they didn't to push this degenerate shit on them.

For more info, read The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen.

Everyone should be "equal". Niggers and whites, men and women, the poor and the rich, every culture, and the only solution to that (since people aren't made equal) is to destroy the fabric of nature and society with degeneracy.

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

>>134774354
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1965
>Implying the 1965 immigration act was the cause of the degeneracy
it was merely a symptom, but one that has fucked over this nation immensely

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>>134774443
liberals get the bullet first

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>>134774831
soon

>>134774831
Well he is right because this the innate end goal of Communism. As you said yourself, Communism views everything in an "economic" fashion the same way as Pure Capitalism does. That is why both of these systems are destructive because they look at society from a numerical viewpoint rather than a human one.

Granted, looking at things from a purely human perspective is equally as destructive and so one must create the balance between these two powers.

>>134774539
We have controlled capitalism now and we have mafia style organizations with massive power. We didn't have controlled capitalism pre-central bank and we didn't we have mafia style organizations with massive power. Capitalism decentralizes things, and the bankers fought to stop this in the USA and nearly lost. The longer capitalism was allowed to go on, the harder it was for them to retain control. This is why they had to subvert it by created a government protected banking cartel. Jackson nearly destroyed it and it would have changed US history more then almost anything else if he had succeeded. The bankers had to be a decentralized cartel until the American people forgot about the battle between them and Jackson, and why it was carried out.

>>134774836
Wow there are still good leafs left.

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Fuck off

>>134762957
>family men
>Pavlik morozov
In communism society is expected to value government more than family, stop lying to yourself

>>134774889
The pot is calling the kettle black kike

>>134774462
>we have to rely heavily on family and community for support.

And my point is the dissolution of these social institutions is the result of Post WWII Neoliberal style Capitalism, i.e. consumerism which was birthed in the form we know it now following WWII, which put women out of the home and into the workplace, which resulted in the social integration of different races and cultures, which allowed for the mass importation of foreigners, and which expanded the welfare state to funnel money back into the hands of eager-to-spend poor, which fuels the market.

Like someone said before, a strong sense of family, a strong sense of community, are antithetical to post-WWII capitalism, because women in the workplace adds the other 50% of the population into the labour force, thus driving wages down, single individuals spend and consume more than family households, a strong sense of community often involves sharing and lending of goods and products, which keeps money out of the hands of corporations, and promiscuity and overindulgent individualism drive mass spending and the excessive purchasing of consumer goods.

>>134774982
This is correct but you are forgetting to add that Jacksonian democracy had strong elements of romantic patriotism within it. This made his variant of Capitalism responsible because it meant that while personal liberty and economic growth was cherished it also meant that an individual felt a duty to the community at large and so, in the process of accumulating money, would not endanger or harm the community at large and therefore felt an obligation to its survival.

This is what I personally think we should strive towards. When each feels duty within liberty then a responsible future is built and sustained.

>>134774462
>The more controlled capitalism

during he early great depresion america was an exstremely degenarate time.

>>134774313

>Only daddy government saved your stupid asses last time in 2008 when yet another speculation bubble burst, forcing people out of their homes while leaving thousands of houses empty or unfinished, wasting tons of resources and energy in the process

You mean the same government that FORCED banks to lend to losers bailed out their own policies and directed the anger towards banks.

The governments told banks that not lending to broke niggers was racist. They made the incentive to do it by lowering the interest rates through the federal reserve.

>So you found the perfect solution to prop it up, you go around the world and fuck shit up in country where there are resources so you can put in some corrup bastards to let him steal them and then bring in some weapons and mcdonalds in exchange

An empire that that what.... Tell me what was the USSR doing in eastern europe? And afghanistan.... You know the war that started the collapse of their short-lived EMPIRE.

>There's also agricultural subsidies, education levels plumetting, egregious costs of healthcare

That's socialism, not capitalism. You can easily find that in the 1930's the democrats that were essentially socialist set up most of those programs, and did other great things like massive animal slaughters to raise prices so that farmers could make more profits. Which actually caused massive starvation - but let's forget that, and those enormous soup lines from the food costs.

This is how I imagine my freshman high school teaching talking about capitalism. Pretty much the same way a bum talks about searching for a job.

>>134775156
Yes, I agree. I think what we could call "Jacksonian Capitalism" has had the best outcome of any economic and political system ever implemented in history. In addition to massive wealth, it created a very strong nationalist country and with strong family units.

>>134775290
Federal Reserve act was pre Great Depression. We've had controlled capitalism since the Federal Reserve act. Actually we had it before that thanks to the banking cartel creating a decentralized government protected banking system, but the Federal Reserve act put the nail in the coffin for non-controlled capitalism in this country.

>>134775491
>I think what we could call "Jacksonian Capitalism" has had the best outcome of any economic and political system ever implemented in history. In addition to massive wealth, it created a very strong nationalist country and with strong family units.
but in the end Jacksonian Capitalism didnt survived which means it is a bad system

>>134775743
But we can see exactually why it didn't survive: the banking cartel wasn't completely killed and continued to lobby the government for protection from the free market. I personally think the way for it to have the best chance of working is to make it illegal to have the government mess with the market in any way and go back to the Articles of Confederation just keep the Bill of Rights. Outside of this you reach the justification many have for supporting anarcho-capitalism.

>>134774697
You seem to care a lot about incarceration for a country with the highest per capita prison inmates in the whole fucking world
Conveniently switching from an economic to a moral position all of a sudden because you can't defend the inconsistencies of your own system won't save your stupid ass when you are literally the leading cause of war and social unrest over the last 60 years, merrily allying with terror sponsors and human rights violators.. those deaths should matter to you as well since you brought this up, right ?
The biggest irony in this all, is that I'm fairly sure your cuckold brain giddily rationalizes that on one hand you claim to hate degeneracy and multi-culturalism, yet they are absolutely part of the system you so adamantly want to defend from any possible accusations. Hollywood selling trash entertainment and people buying it, absorbing the liberal, progressive values it contains and emulating them is complete free market at work

>>134774721
The lolberg would say the same. Really makes you think.

>>134776075
>Outside of this you reach the justification many have for supporting anarcho-capitalism.
Which does makes sense to me, by the way. I am really for ether, as long as we head in that direction. Society tends to adapt to the economic system the country has and this is key for the lack of massive degeneracy in early capitalism. There will most likely be a transition time where degeneracy will be widespread though.

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>>134776224
>UNfag replying to me as if I'm going to waste 1 second of my life reading his dribbe
How adorable

>>134775386
"NOT REAL CAPITALISM !!"

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>>134776342

http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1138474
>"Capitalism and Bolshevism are the two sides of the same international Jewish coin"
- AH

>>134775743
Any system can be good so long as there is built a framework for it to survive. However, you are right in pointing out how it did indeed fail but the other anon makes a valid point in saying one can recognize exactly where it went wrong.

This is how you cure a disease, but recognizing which elements are the ones causing the organism to decay and destroy them.