What does /pol/ think about stacking silver and gold? >Protection

penis

Anyone?

>>Feel like a pirate and/or royalty
Is a "pirate king" even possible?

>>134733198
the only thing i would currently stack is silver.
it is a great hedge against the dollar but desu there are better hedges since the paper asset manipulation

>>134734379
Only if you find One Piece.

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>>134733198
The USD -> Gold price is way too high right now, I'd focus on silver and property.
Don't invest in the stock market
Don't rent without a guaranteed rate for at least 5 years
Don't buy a house

Economic collapse will be in next decade, the big one about a decade later at worst.

>>134733198
Honestly I am just finding Pre-64 Nickles (High Silver Content) so I can melt them into a personalized silver bar with a picture if my face on it.

>>134734527
Fear mongers have been saying this for for decades now. Same track record as Christfags so far.

>>134733198
stacking silver is retarded, don't buy into that meme, if you must buy, buy gold

i would rather stack random shitcoins like ESPER

>>134734633
Christfags are retarded if they think "the end is nigh!"

This is basic economics.
The next bubble to burst will be (most likely) housing and/or student loans, unless something deviates from current trends and the bubble stops inflating fast.

The fear mongers got their moment of limelight in 2008.

>>134733198
Good luck selling your gold and silver during an economic collapse, I guess.
The best defense is fiat in an foreign bank account. If shtf you gtfo your shithole.

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>>134733198
>Feel like a pirate

We know what kind of pirate you are, OP

>>134734590
Nah m8. You're doing it wrong. The pre-1964 dimes and quarters are 90% silver. You need war nickels to have silver nickels. 1964 nickels don't mean shit. Sorry, friend.

>>134734795
>fiat in bank account
>government has quantum computers and will seize your assets if need be
now what?

>>134734773
>It's just too volatile of a commodity
Yeah, if you base it on fiat currencies.
Which you shouldn't do, because the USD hasn't been metals-backed since '71
The value is relatively static, the problem is the relative trade value is fluctuating as the USD (and other currencies) inflates

>>134734885
"quantum" is like a trigger word for an extended Godwin's law.
If you see it you can safely disregard the post (unless it's in a physics community).

>>134734633
In 2011, we saw silver hit $48/oz.

Stacking metals isn't about making a profit of the stock market takes a slight dip.
Its about maintaining a semblance of wealth when we go full Weimar and all of those "dollars" in your bank account would be worth more as wallpapering.

Metal will NEVER be worthless. The dollar? I'm not so sure.

>>134734900
It fluctuates in terms of number of hamburgers you can buy just as wildly.
Don't delude yourself into thinking your metal had any inherent value, the price is 100% speculative for gold (silver has some validity to it's price because it's actually used).

>>134734795
During the recession in 2011/2012, local coin shops could not keep silver on the shelves. It was selling faster than it could be mined.
Source: My local coin shop and other stacker's experience

>>134733198
Unless you have a lot of money to spend on that kind of thing, you're better off with a savings account or putting cash in a safe deposit box. Bullion just isn't liquid enough to use in an emergency.

>>134733198
For beginning in silver, split it among American Silver Eagles and 90% junk. Sometimes the price split between American and Canadian makes it more sensible to go for Maple Leaves.

How much are you looking to invest?

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>>134734723
Have you taken the beanpill?

>>134733198
20 years ago I started a small lumber business. Every week I would spend 1/4 my earnings on buying silver. 10 years ago I sold all but half my silver and retired at the age of 28.

Buy low and sell high. You're retarded if you rely only on paper money. Precious metals will always have value.

>>134735148
Only because you can produce hamburgers with relative ease.
New silver needs to be mined, at considerable cost and time and labor.
That's why it has value (if you exclude the whole "nothing has inherent value" meme)
Value is relative, but for the most part, when things go tits up, metals will be the currency until things stabilize. And even then, probably still relevant.

>>134735354
38*

>>134735354
Do you still have your lumber business?

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>>134734527
if you're a faggot who wants to flip gold maybe
but if you're just investing in gold there's never a bad time
gold will always be a good investment and it will always increase in value over the years
but ofc platinum and palladium > gold

>>134735196
Because the coin shop has no economic incentive whatsoever to pitch their product towards you.

>>134735268
I stack regularly. I have generic silver, various world mints (silver eagles, silver maples, philharmonics, libertads, australian kangaroos), poured silver, etc. I'm just curious about /pol/'s thoughts. I don't have much junk silver though. Only wild silver I've found in my change jar.
>When silver doesn't work, I stack lead as well.

>>134733198
buy litecoin

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>>134735527
Only if you get bullion, which is expensive as fuck for the introductory investor.
Literally any other form of gold/silver is a meme.
Only exception is silver bars IMO, because relatively low value compared to gold

>>134735358
>New silver needs to be mined, at considerable cost and time and labor.
That does not make it valuable.
If I puke on a blank piece of paper to make an unique piece of art (that can't even be reproduced by mining) you still wouldn't drop a million Eurobux on it. Only an art nut would.

>>134735560
>poured silver
Don't bother. Stick to well-recognized forms of it.

>I stack lead as well.
Good man.

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>>134735527
>platinum and palladium
Holy shit, you've got to be joking.
Please tell me you're joking.
Please? You can lie, just tell me.

>>134735556
coin shops only make money off premiums, not the metal itself. also, i've found a lot of rare pieces at my coin shop i've flipped for more than twice what i paid for. they know i've done it and they are perfectly fine with it.

>>134733198
No hungry man will ever want your gold.

Buy guns.

>>134735497
Yes, but I am no longer part of the day to day operations. My brother is running things until my son is old enough and experienced enough to run it himself. When that day comes I'll sign the company over to him.

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>>134735655
Problem is the cost + time of that was... zero.
Except maybe some nauseous feelings, and five seconds to wipe your mouth.

Also, you can't build an entire market on modern art, because it hasn't had widespread adoption.

But guess what has? Gold & Silver, nigga!

And comparing economists across time with art nuts is kinda sad. New comparison please.

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>>134735699
...what are you retarded?
i hate you faggots that think you know shit

im not even gonna waste my time educating you

>>134735830
I'm not saying I haven't owned bars, but government minted coins are the way to go if you're thinking of it as a financial backstop. Stupid people go for the blang. I have a couple of 100oz silver bars just because, but that was after Tulving went under.

Play your money smart.

>Coin and banknote Collecting

Only collect- Low mintage and in "gem" or "Uncirculated" condition. check values before you buy and always haggle the prices as nothing is set down.
NEVER- buy anything from auction houses.

>>134733198
Silver coins look better than gold.

>>134735641
Interesting. Where do you investment fags get your info and ideas from? Class? Tips from investor pals? I've been skeptical of most investment books. Probably shouldn't be but it seems like it the secret was that widespread then you would see much larger sections of people doing these things instead of just hearing about it on commercials of places trying to sell gold, which also doesn't make much sense to me since if gold really only appreciated in value then why the fuck would you sell it when a crash isn't imminent?

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>>134735984
how the hell is platinum and palladium in the same category is rhodium

>>134733198

Silver stacking was a big thing on Youtube in 2011 back when Bitcoin was $20 or something

don't fall for the precious metals meme, own a few silver eagles or even a gold eagle, but focus on productive investments

>>134736087
They're all industrial metals. For instance in catalytic converters for cars.

>>134735925
When the global market economy crashes, I'd like to see you buy groceries with palladium.
If you do, mind sending a pic?
Need something to rub one off to.

>>134735984
This too.

I'll stick with a 40/50/10 investment in gold/silver/land, thank you.

>>134734527
>the gold price is way too high right now
Ducking this. I had to pay $180 for a 1/10 ounce American Gold Eagle

YARRR MORE BOOTY FOR ME TO PLUNDER WHEN THE TIME COMES

>>134735699
>Silver / Gold - Precious Metals
>Platinum / Palladium - Noble Metals
There's less platinum in the world than gold. Theoretically, plat should be worth more than gold but there was never enough of it to make plat a currency like gold was.
However:
>Plat is used for industrial purposes such as catalysts
>Silver has the second most industrial uses after oil

>>134735527
Platinum and palladium are good investments if unless you are preparing for some end of the world scenario. They are industrial metals so if industry stops they become worthless as they are practically indistinguishable from silver by a layman.

I have many bars of silver, many rolls of silver coins and some gold bars. I have them just as a store of value and a tool for saving. Can't spend gold bars as easy as you can dollars in a wallet or bank account.

>>134735731
And ammo, lots of ammo while it's reasonable.

Never forget proguns Administrations are TEMPORARY and use your chance to stock up on ammo, parts and weapons.

>>134736127
yeah except palladium is basically just a cheaper version of platinum
idc about rhodium

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How do I into silver

>>134736196
platinum becomes highly expensive during war time and military starts buying up that shit if not just taking it like they did before

>>134736210
Point is that makes them dominated as being commodities.

Silver is like half commodity and half monetary metal. Gold has some commodity value but it's mainly a monetary metal.

>>134736246
just go to any bullion selling website like apmex and just start buying silver

>>134735655
>Silver has the most industrial uses after oil
>Smart phones
>Computers
>TVs
>Medical equipment
>Etc
>Etc
>Etc

>>134736063
I'm no investment fag, just versed in economics.
And the reality is, the national currencies you use will only decrease in value over time, until the economy fails.
Gold and silver are practically universal in value (so to speak. meaning aside from the relative value that is inherent with any trade), and suffice as currencies in the absence of one (see any time in any country before a central bank is implemented). They're also not hard to get your hands on, from the beginner to the international mogul.

It's just common sense.

I've been buying gold and silver for around 12 years now.

It's a wealth preservation mechanism. Works for me. Might not for all. My plan is to sit on it for another 25-30 years then look at my options for conversion, likely to go towards building a larger house.

Dip a toe in if you are curious. Maybe start with a little budget of say 3~4k and spread it across gold and silver (of various denominations) over the course of 12 months. You'll see gains and losses in the market and get a taste for what it like to toy around with.

>>134736181
See >>134736144

>>134736273
if you're going to be preparing for society to collapse you might as well be investing in ammunition and things like iodine or alcohol storage
those things will have much higher value than precious metals in a post apocalyptic situation
for your own use or trade

>>134736196

I don't see them as a great store of value.

What is silver vs the stock against vs inflation since 1900?

I think it's nice to own a kilo of silver just as a cool thing to have and a conversation piece. The Perth Mint 1kg silver coins are fun to hold and look at.

>>134736392
I also like buying land when the market is real low (like post-bubble pop), and getting that sweet price. It's definitely a larger investment, but larger payout if you play your cards right.

>>134736435
>conversation piece
have fun getting robbed

>>134736434
I'm way ahead of you. Metals are just a component of surplus storage.

Obviously there are plenty of good things to invest in first.

>>134736321
>And the reality is, the national currencies you use will only decrease in value over time, until the economy fails.
I hadn't considered this kind of point before. Thanks for the thought, anon.

>>134736063
>which also doesn't make much sense to me since if gold really only appreciated in value then why the fuck would you sell it when a crash isn't imminent?
Gold dealers, as a business, will buy gold at a discount and sell at a premium gold to make money off the spread from Joe Blow off the street. And if more people are frightened about an economic crash, more people are going to be trading gold which is good for gold dealers. I've had gold dealers say shit to me like "gold prices are being manipulated [likey true], if the con ended then gold would trade at 100 times its current price [likely bullshit]"
They're in it to make money.

>>134736473

I agree. Land is probably the ultimate investment option and I can speak from experience. Likewise my father and his father before him.

The entry point for land now is quite high however, unless you are flexible with location, which in itself heavily dictates price.

I have always maintained that the best time to buy land (LAND, not houses, apartments, etc) is yesterday. So far that has held true.

>>134736063
>Where do you investment fags get your info and ideas from?
Various trustworthy and often accurate investors (must do research)
>Why isn't it more widespread?
Why isn't commonsense more widespread? Why do most people not even have more than $200 in the bank? Why are so many people in debt. Simple answer: people are stupid.
>Why the fuck would you sell it when a crash isn't imminent?
You stack and stack until a recession / depression / collapse. If there's no collapse in your life time, at least you have something of value to pass on to your children. A collapse is 100% INEVITABLE! It's not about if, but only when.

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>>134733198
My advice is to diversify and pic related.

https://steemit.com/news/@cryptocentral/breaking-rothschild-just-invested-in-bitcoin

>>134736531
well i think things like gold will still retain their value with everyone who thinks the apocalypse won't last and can easily be traded for more useful things if you do it within a certain amount of time

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>>134734478

>>134735556
You're ducking retarded. During the recession, the mint has to quit making proof and uncirculated silver eagles because demand was so high. They only minted bullion during those years.

>>134735641
How the Hell are silver eagles a bad investment?

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>>134736087
They're all Platinum group metals, and extremely rare.

>>134736102
Stacking isn't about making money. As far as bitcoin is concerned, that shit is a joke and everyone knows it. Yeah, a few people have made some money but that shit won't last. If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Bitcoin has wayyyyy too many problems.

>>134736543
Sure thing. And if you want to see proof of this, just look at what the Federal Reserve is doing.

Every dollar they print and release into circulation is adding to the global number of dollars that exist.
That means for every N dollars, the global value of the USD is worth 1/N less for each new dollar printed.

Central banking is the root of the problem, but to bring it to a currency perspective, they're shooting themselves in the foot to prop up an economy that should've corrected itself long ago. The USD has so little value (Almost zero, if you consider the fact the USD has been off a metal backing since '71) that the only reason why it hasn't failed yet is because of the sheer number of dollars being printed, the people's trust in the stock market, foreign countries buying bonds, and its ties to oil.

Once the USD falls, so too will many other markets. So buy metals before the USD -> metal price is too high.

>>134736641
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving-Economic/dp/9870563457
This is a good beginner read.

it's gangster as fuck

>>134733198
probably not the worst idea

most value in hard times: power, and property, real things that are useful

>>134736762
>Nocoiner COPE

>>134736625
>the best time to buy land (LAND, not houses, apartments, etc) is yesterday
Sounds about right to me.
The landscape for land investment in the US is a bit spotty, so I've always bought in ghettos and waited for the gentrification to catch up. So far so good, but I doubt I can keep that up for long. It's a long-term game, but a reasonably safe one.

>>134736725
Never said they weren't? Read the post again, might be a misread the first time.

Wheat pennies. I hoard copper.

>>134736625
Mate not if you're in Australia, it's already started, the East will feel it soon

>>134736246
>Google Map search for coin shops
>APMEX
>JM Bullion
>Provident Metals
>Silver Gold Bull
>Bold Precious Metals
JM Bullion & Silver Gold Bull sell a one time only 10oz of silver at spot price
Bold Precious Metals has several "starter packs" to choose from.
Decide what kind of stacker you want to be whether buying government bullion like Silver Eagles, or generic rounds or just a coin collector.

>>134736246
The mint has a website, but it mostly only sells proof or uncirculated. You have to get bullion from a dealer

>>134733198

Depends how much of an economic collapse we are talking. If you mean dooms day level stacking silver and gold is probably pointless, what you want to hoard in that case is fuel, batteries, things that will be in high demand if everything turns to shit

If you are talking another great depression or recession then I would say I have no idea, nobody does, it would just be heresay and speculation to advise on that, you might as well buy as many houses as possible and get as many interest only mortgages on them and just collect rent, if the economy takes a dive and interest rates rise, sell up

>>134737121
It's even better if you're friends with an electrician.
When shit hits the figurative fan, he'll come to you first so he can produce things for money.

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Here's what sold me on possessing physical metal.

If all the silver on Earth were mined and available right now. There would be roughly .15oz available for every person on Earth. That's 15% of 1 Troy Ounce.

The ratio is much smaller for gold. Much smaller still for platinum group metals.

Do you understand now? Get while you can. Having a little, is still better than having none.

>>134736401
There will always be rich people buying up silver / gold / plat / etc etc. When the dollar dips, the price of gold goes up. The rich panic just like the rest of us. You don't buy food with metals, you convert it to government dollars and buy food with it. The difference is right now perhaps you buy an ounce of plat for $900. When the collapse happens, you sell it for $2700 and purchase your necessities with that.

All in all, nobody can foresee the future and know what will happen. Perhaps plat skyrockets to $10,000, perhaps it falls to $5. Nobody knows. Do you feel like better safe than sorry? Fiat currency WILL fail. It has to. There's no getting out of it.

>>134737121
Copper is what you take down to the recycler after you collected extra bits of pluming until they filled up the bucket so you can go get $50. It's similar to selling your car for scrap steel.

It's basically what heroin addicts or niggers bread in to buildings to rip out to fund more drugs.

>>134736932
Sorry. I read bullion as bars. My bad.

>>134736988
Literally (You):
https://youtu.be/XbZ8zDpX2Mg

Now it's at $2800 and you tell anons not to invest. Fucking FUD fag,

>>134736625
yes, land is true wealth. i think precious metals is can only compliment land ownership or *maybe* a means to that end but not an end in itself

>>134737229
>convert it to government dollars
That's all fine and whatever, but as soon as you convert it, it begins to devalue.

The only reasonable thing you can do with palladium is the folowing:
* Sell it to special machinery manufacturers
* Trade it with other rich people
* Devalue part of it by getting gov't dollars
* Sell it to rich people for weaker metal currencies (gold/silver)
* Paperweight

>>134737201
Even more reason silver will never again be used as currency

>>134736828
thanks for the heads up. looks like an interesting read and worth "acquiring"

>>134733198
>precious metals
>always valuable
if shit gets fucked up to a point where your fiat currency is only worth the paper it's printed on, no sane person would be willing to trade a can of corn for an entire ingot of gold.

>>134737335
I've never understood owning land you're never going to use yourself.

>>134737415
Literally the opposite.

It's that scarcity that made it a currency in the first place.

People like you are the same kind who give the argument that the government should keep printing money because "there isn't enough to circulate". Scarcity is what gives a currency value, and people's trust in it.

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>>134733198
>Protection from economic collapse

Okay fuck this shit, I have work in 5 hours.
If the thread doesn't die, I'll be back.
Good luck, and invest in lots of silver + some gold.
My personal preference is gold/silver 40/50, with the 10% left being land/other investments.

But for most people, you could get away with a 30/70 gold/silver. Silver is what most transactions will use, and gold is good for getting more silver in a pinch.

NEVER spend these metals. Wait until you either have absolutely no other choice, or the economy fails.

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>>134737532
use it :)
I'd be far happier in pic related than in an urban setting with niggers, spics and god knows what else crammed on all sides of me

>>134737647
he did say economic, not societal/governmental collapse, and he isn't wrong

>>134737444
have to check those fours.

I was reading FerFAL's stuff before he wrote that book, but it's a good summary, and then I had it recommended to my by Army Counterintelligence as food for thought. Probably won't play down the same way here, but it's a good study.

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Stacking grain

>>134737647
In the US we've had a great depression and several recessions.
In various other countries, economic collapse has already happened. (Zimbabwe, Venezuela, the Iraqi dinar)
It's not impossible. In fact, it's inevitable.

>>134737929
Yeah those countries had those collapses because of mismanagement of government and wrong policies one after another.

>>134737981
Would you consider 0 percent interest rates the world over creating assets bubbles everywhere mismanagement?

>>134737981
>Mismanagement of government
>Wrong policies one after another
Sounds like every single government ever.
Except for the US. R-r-right?

>>134738079
As long as everyone is doing it together then it's fine. We have bombed everyone into submission who has tried to break the Jews control over banking in the last hundred years. So long as nobody steps out of line it's smooth sailing.

>>134737929
You also forget that america as a single entity (barring the west cost/rockies) is the best place to have things since transportation is easier than most of the world by a factor of 20. I suggest listing to peter Zeihan and stratfor for more info on this

>>134736969

I assume you're referring to housing price corrections?

It is most definitely happening in Australia's major centers, though land will still be a valuable resource in said centers, which is reflected in how rare it is in livable suburbs.

That's a whole other discussion though. There's a tonne of variables that contribute to the success and collapse of property in Australia, many of which are fickle at best and outright worrying at worst.

I bought property in Australia before things started getting certifiably retarded, so I am confident I can weather quite a few 'value' rollbacks. I felt the writing was on the wall for your country when the idea of servicing a modest mortgage on a single income slipped out of your average person's reach. That was the tipping point from my perspective and it has only grown worse.

A lot of imbeciles have borrowed utterly retarded sums of shekels to buy poorly constructed concrete boxes in this country over the past five years. Those chooks are coming home to roost, and soon. This is another reason I have bought metals.

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>>134738079
No shit.
>>134738145
The US made countless mistakes in their management of government intervention.

I'm not saying governments are perfect at all. They're rather stupid in their decision making almost all the time. What happened in Zimbabwe was just economic incompetence by trying to create seignorage. Venezuela was too dependant on Oil and the state was way too big a part of the economy to foresee a collapse of downfall of the oil price.
It's a banana republic basically.

>>134738225
The Federal Reserve has literally been ran by Jews for the last 30+ years. And now Yellen is by far the most incompetent

>>134738432
The Federal Reserve has been run by the Jews since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Earlier if you want to understand the banking system.

>>134738350
I do listen / read Stratfor on the regular as well as other geopolitical think tanks.. Never heard of Peter Zeihan

>>134738520
The funny part about Stratfor is that when "anonymous" was starting to be used as a geopolitical football out in public, one of the things that really tossed around the hornets' nest was when somebody gave them some stratfor leaks.

They didn't like that very much lol.

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>>134738503
Yes, you're right. Countless Jews run the fed but I specifically meant the chair of the fed, going back to (((greenspan))). That's all I meant

>>134737121
Might be worth keeping some copper wires as well

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>>134738717
Well, we can get back to (((Yellen))) later. I think it's more important that we establish a hundreds or thousands years worth of banking first.

When's the last time you've humiliated any of these characters?

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>>134738814
>Pick up every penny and copper wire you see goy
>Never tip anyone
>Claim 6 gorillion and coerce every shekel you can out of whoever you can
>That's the key to making money goy

>>134739027
Are (You) saying it works?

>>134738971
Never had a first hand chance to humiliate any of these fucks, personally, but I did work in the same room as (((Ben Bernanke))) once. Definitely not as a coworker, however.

>>134739027
>be me
>have to tear out a secondary service box of of my friend's house because he's moving out an it wasn't professionally installed
dude do you want this?
do you know anyone who wants this? It's in perfect working order
i payed for this are you sure?
ok
>put it ouside
>black guy comes around
fuk yea somebody is going to take it
>clips off only the copper wires out the top

fucking niggers

But at least a white guy came through alter and took the rest of it.

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"it's not a commodity its money, if you like money you should have some gold"

>>134733198
It's fun, but just realize and remember that any silver and gold "expert" is out to fleece you. If anything do the opposite of what they say to do.

Hyper inflation is really the only scenario where investing in precious metals pays off more than more traditional investments (unless someone manages to corner the market again, which is unlikely).

Gold and silver are still the only "real" money in the world and are unbeatable as a reliable unit of account. But unless you need all of your finances to be entirely off the books it's really impractical. I recommend maintaining it as no more than 20% of your investment portfolio if you really believe in it.

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>>134739145
Story time?

Had a friend who worked with a near-C-level in the NY fed and she eventually got mad and said some shit.

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Also with wearable gold you look a hell of a lot nicer with a real gold chain or watch than a phony one not to mention the benefit it brings to self confidence

>>134739363
story time pls

>>134739222
ffs hahaha damn dude. talk about desperation. i've worked jobs just to keep niggers and crack head low lifes from stealing copper wires. fucking pathetic

>>134733198
gold costs too much for me nowadays, I've stacked some silver. I'ts black money no one knows you have it. I'm never getting rich on silver but like the idea of it being my secret stash

>>134739363
>Be me
>Working for paramilitary company
>Hired to work an event full of kikes
>Certain large bank having a get together with guest speakers. Hundreds of people, 80% Jewish
>Ben Bernanke, Condoleezza Rice, James "The Ragin' Cajun" Carville to name a few
>Providing protection during one of the Bernanke talks
>Start getting ideas
>Ex-Mossad agents in the room for Bernanke's protection
>No more ideas

>>134739768
That doesn't say much.

>undisclosed person at GS
>riding the elevator
>talking her up
This would go on to some other financial literally Jewish tricks but that's a different story; such is life in Jew York
>They don't care about us
>They just want us to die
lol

>>134739938
doesn't say much because i can't say much lol

>>134740083
No doubt. I had to ride around with Hillary's SS and they were anything but happy.

>>134740205
Do you think they were unhappy about you? Or unhappy about being Hillary's detail? I hear it's where the SS fuck ups go for punishment lmfao

>>134740283
Unhappy about the detail. It seemed disorganized and like they had to run around for no good reason.

>>134740387
fucking cunt. such a hoe bag. there's a book out but i have yet to read it. it's about working the clinton detail and all the bullshit they had to go through.

>>134733198
>He doesn't buy actually used commodities like Wheat, Rice, Nickel, Copper

Why bother with Silver and Gold? Their value is artificial, meaning that it doesn't have any. If you want to buy commodities as a hedge you should buy useful commodities.

>>134740563
lead is my useful commodity. i have plenty of emergency food saved up. not sure what nickel or copper would be useful for if you don't think silver or gold is useful.

>>134740555
I kind of regret not talking them up more, but they seemed so miffed and it's all kind of above my pay grade as it were.

do it if you want to. but an ounce of gold in a safe under your bed wouldn't hurt.

>>134740729
if you're preparing for the apocalypse gold is good, if society rebuilds

>>134734750

What exactly is a "student loan" bubble?

These loans are not traded on the open market and most of the loans as held by the kike government anyway

>>134740563
Silver is commonly used for electronics, water purification and weapons technology.

>>134733198
>not stacking crypto
lol enjoy poverty when we learn to mine in space.

>>134741464
Is a loan backstopped by the government, which means the tax-free university never has to worry about negotiating bankruptcy.

In other words, its even more gauranteed funding for communist indoctrination camps with no strings attached. It's a free ride.

>>134733198
Nah, m8, in an extreme SHTF scenario you need barter. You need cigs, toilet paper, water, lighters, matches and medicine. But if we're talking economic depression than yeah precious metals will do.

>>134741523
What exactly are we going to mine in space? Gold? Silver? If precious metals are worthless, then what exactly would be the purpose of mining it then, smart guy?

>>134741774
Oh it wont' be totally worthless but I'd expect it to be much less valuable.
Every nigger will have solid gold spinners from their welfare bux some day.

Ive been buying silver, I only gave a total of two ounces so far but I dont make much money.

>>134742365
>2oz so far
Where are you at in life mate? 2oz of silver isn't going to get you anywhere.

>>134742647
College student, I do part time pizza delivery. I only started recently.

>>134742764
Before we talk about college loans, let me ask you this.

Do you have three months worth of living money in your bank account and/or at home in cash?

>>134743053
I have $700 in the bank and about $250 on hand. No loans, my parents had a college fund.

>>134743204
Does your college fund pay for your food and housing?

>>134741523
>Civilization (the whites) is going to survive long enough to achieve space mining
Nigger, at the rate we are going human beings are going to be fighting wars with sticks and stones again in a few short centuries not mining comets or whatever retarded sci-fi shit you're imagining.

1.

all you people obsessed with gold and silver... it starts to look like a fetish lol.
land yes.. but it will only remain yours if you can keep your boots on that clay and keep it safe
presious metals? i don't accept them if you want to buy my lead and copper to make ammo for your guns or build things with the steel and other building materials i sell.. barther you, i rather accept food, ammo, women, children, machineparts, fuel, clean drinking water, .... as a payment. oh.. LOYALTY, you never mention this precious comodity do you guys?
when shit hits the fan this is what will go up in value:
-basic needs to eat and drink
-women and children
-basic metals as copper, lead, steel, think of nails and screws, rope, tape...machineparts and any parts of the things (on wheels) that are the most comon in your region. ( in my case i drive a citroen jumpy and a citroen jumper, both more than 10 years old with all the coiled (spare) parts protected against EMP blasting. it's compatible with peugot and fiat)
-politics: when fiat fails and you can eat your gold when it get's to a point beyound shit, national socialism (<== or whatever you call it, it will be this) wil rise, individualism and people with same likeminded views will kill and chase away the others when they are a majority in a city, region or town and will band together and form citystates, towns and whatever.
animals, comestible and those that can be part of a workforce or transportation, like horses and stuff. Can you mount a horse? i can.
- a workchop
-......

>>134743340
Dad pays rent and but I buy food

>he doesn't know that Elon is already mining gold and silver on mars

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>>134743053

>>134743461
I'm not going to ask how much your dad pays for rent, but I hope you're on track to pick up the cost of rent.

How much is pizza delivery going to ad to your $700 in the bank when you're done?

>>134743611
not too shabby m8

>>134743376

- can you work with tools? can you build stuff? can you bake bread? can you garden? do you have any knowledge of husbandry? can you train animals to hunt with, to protect your land ....
not saying you need to know all these skills but atleast some of them, exell in what you know and be a precious member of a (forming) comunity, beside the skills you are good at you might help others with skills you know the basics of (it's called bounding and being productive, earning your keep, that's how civilisations are born and grow). People like this with the same attitude and mindset together can be a force to recon with. you go for quality and strength, but don't neglect your continuity and growth.. hence women and children.
and most important of all, leadership
everyone should know their place, leave it to a good leader and keep democracy only for the most important decicions to be made by a poll and a vote.
you people might look into "code of conduct" and read some history about how pirates did their social live and politics, it wasn't only ARRR booty and playing with cannons, Nassau 1700's anyone?

>>134742764
Go into business for yourself.

Go on craigslist and find people selling Cords of wood.

A cord of wood can cost anywhere between 40-65 bucks. You can eventually get a better deal if you establish a relationship with the seller typically.

You're looking for 12-14 inch pieces.

You're going to need a van with back seats removed or a truck to load the wood up.

Unload the wood and bundle 6-7 pieces(depending on size of the wood pieces).

You can either use twine or plastic wrap(whatever works better for you. I use plastic wrap.) to bundle them.

Next you need clients. Drive around your area looking for gas stations that aren't already selling wood and ask to speak with a manager.

Tell the manager you're selling wood and offer them 2.50-3 bucks per bundle. They can sell them for 6.99-7.99.

You can also put ads on craigslist, facebook swap pages etc. Sell the bundles for 4 for 1 or 3 for 10.

You can also contact campgrounds. Most already have wood distributors but wood sells fast and they can find themselves running out of stock and needing an alternate source. They're going to want a lot though so you may not have the funds initially to keep up with their demands.

Rinse, repeat.

>>134743649
About 30 dollars every paycheck. So maybe like 200 by the end of next semester

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>>134734590
Nickels don't have any silver content.... only quarters and dimes do....

>>134743785
>$200 by the end of next semester
Holy fucking shit.

Don't get me wrong. I worked some shitty jobs when I was in school but holy fuck. I don't even know what to suggest, and I hope your degree will get you something v_v

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>>134743879
Think again gay boi.

>>134743053
This. I'm sensing a Dave Ramsey listener

>>134744242
faggot local blowtoch station kicked savage off the air in favor of that guy. Uninteresting.

>>134744059
those are war nickels, not pre-1964 nickels
pre-1964 silver is referring to all dimes and quarters made 1964 and before are 90% silver. do more research

>>134744491
lol i listen to ramsey sometimes

>>134733198

I don't because 1) the capital gains tax, 2) the birding of storing valuables safely and 3) of case of SHTF scenario, I might have to trade a silver coin for a loaf of bread.

I'd rather stockpile food. >>134733198

>>134733198
>What does /pol/ think about stacking silver and gold?

Good way to build an emergency fund that cannot be destroyed by economic collapse or a crash of the stock market.
Kinda suboptimal when the main goal is to invest.

I'd say hold a couple thousand in silver and gold and put the rest into stocks for the better returns. And then just scale your silver/gold stock as your wealth grows, but keep it at a reasonable level.

>>134744733
I've heard him a few times and he's not dumb, but he doesn't have it down and it panders to desperation. This sort of stuff should be taught in school.

>>134734379
There once was a man named Gold Roger, who was King of the Pirates. He had fame, power, and wealth beyond your wildest dreams. Before they hung him from the gallows, these were the final words he said: "My fortune is yours for the taking, but you have to find it first. I left everything I own in One Piece." Ever since, pirates from all over the World set sail for the Grand Line, searching for One Piece, the treasure that would make their dreams come true.

>>134744753
capital gains don't tax on hard silver and gold bullion. maybe on paper silver / silver stocks

>>134743376
But acquiring Silver isn't for when the Apocalypse hits. It's just as a way of hedging against inflation. It's obvious Silver wouldn't be worth anything if there is no civilization left.

In case of an apocalypse what you would acquire would be a 1000 gallon gasoline tank, a large amount of weaponry and bullets, and a working truck. that's basically all you need.

>>134745161
Capital gains comes in long and short holding forms. And it's going to whack you but hard. Last time for me, it was 30%.

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>>134743611
my very modest stack

>>134743774
lol exactly this.

one day i came across an add on a similar site.
"trees to saw up and remove what you can for free."
the owner basicly putted too much hay on his fork and wanted land clearance as fast and cheap as possible to build a villa and garden with a gardening corner on a former tree patch.
so i took a guy with me who as looking for firewood aswell and my mom needed wood too, so we started to saw up what was laying around while he was cutting down the rest. then i noticed some good lumber in those trees and proposed him to cut down the remaining lot while he was working on his project, that old oak is a nice commodity and i knew a guy who makes furniture, rails for stairs ... so i kept those for him.
chopped all the wood debri up as cover layer for gardening (sold, given away, prepped a nice batch for his garden and using ourselves) we ended up working 1 month on that patch of land, an outdoor campingstyle build sawmill, lol that was fun ^^ the clearing, removing the roots, level it, prep his garden with fruit trees, bushes together with his landscaper and ended up in total with 3 years of stove wood (+ my mom too) and a 5 month paycheck and a future work relation with his landscaper and his architect.

>>134745341
only in stocks tho. not in silver bullion. hell, many states have laws that you don't even pay sales tax on buying silver and gold bullion

>>134745414
Very gay. At most you should have four show pieces among all that.

>>134733308
fpbp

>>134745496
So in other words you're holding derivatives, not physical. No capital gains tax on paper brah.

>>134745537
what would you define as a show piece? some numismatic? i don't do numismatics.

>>134745593
wtf? i only hold physical

>>134734750
the problem is that there's always a bubble going on that will burst within the next one or two decades.
the best way to deal with it is to spread your investments to the point where you never lose all of them and then just sit it out till it recovered. and pull the money out to invest it into property at a point where you made a good return on your investments

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>>134734527
UK Housing crash incoming due to various domestic economic issues namely the removal of subsidies for amateur landlords to buy up all the housing stock with borrowed money in an over leveraged way via QE money funneled by the ECB to Banks.

Happy crashy crashy house price crash.

>RedPill
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B24wHuyDETj3dzNzS1E5V1lfNkU/view

>>134745620
I do what they call "seminumismatics" none of which are pictured, unless I'm missing something.

What you have there is a lot of weird shit and some of it in plastic cases. That's nice if you want a cute piece but where is the buy/spread going to be on that when it comes time to bring it down to the weight of metal?

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>>134745620
>i don't do numismatics.

>>134745702
>wtf? i only hold physical
If you don't want play normie tax law, then you trade paper

>>134745493
Wood spliiters, chippers and chainsaws are a man's best friend.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with gold and other precious metals, its very redpilled way to do personal finances

i'd just like to mention that dry food, medical equipment and bullets are all slightly more valuable and should therefore have higher priority

>>134733198
imagine how heavy a chest of silver or gold must be. literally a block of metal

>>134745984
inorite it's almost as if you had to lift weights or lead bullets.

Sexist!

Buy junk silver coins at spot price when spot price is low. Bars, bullion, and "limited edition" modern coin shit is is a ripoff for 80 IQ trailer park wannabe players and old seniles watching TV Shop BS.

>>134745816
half of what you see are semi-numismatics. the egyptian pieces are 2oz elemetal egyptian god series no longer being produced, the steam punk angels and demons series from provident metals, 4 horsemen of the apocalypse from provident metals, there's some poured silver, generic 1 oz bullion, engelhard silver prospector and government bullion (australian kangaroos, canadian maples, austrian philharmonics, britannias, cook islands, mexican libertads, s. korean chiwoo). my stack is still growing. next is the queens beast and a 10oz bar

>>134746064
imagine how much nicer, cooperative and polite a society would be if you couldn't hide your entire fortune as fictional currency in a jew bank for them to do whatever they want with your money. you would have to share your wealth with the unfortunate, pay for protection, cooperate and make friends with as many as possible

>>134745847
they're a waste of money imo. silver is worth $16.5/oz yet some numismatics want $50, $100, even $400 an ounce. when the melt value is still..... $16.5. they're only for collectors, not for stackers.

>>134746231
This senpai-pai

>>134745414
This cunt even fell for the copper bullion FULL RETARD meme.

>>134745226
yes ofcourse, i have gold, silver and other metals, several crypto besides food and whatever i need. But those ideas where formed in a time civilisation didn't had to deal with the immigrants of today, it's completly different now, what do you think will happen when it begins when you know those newcomers can't already behave themselves with our police and military in working condition?

>>134745861
i don't pay taxes on any of my silver. my state has no sales tax on precious metals sales, my local coin shop buys/sells in cash only. i don't know what you're talking about senpai

>>134745414
I like it. Don't listen to the other faggots. Silver is silver.

>>134746375
i bought 1 copper piece because i liked it, not for investment. shit is worth like 30 cents

>>134746323
can still buy rolls of quarters and dimes at silver value

>>134746233
>2oz elemetal egyptian god series
what
>steam punk angel
what
>demons series
what
>from provident metals
from what
>4 horsemen of the apocalypse
what

I thought we were talking about semi-numismatics. But I guess it people recognize that stuff as somewhere between bullion and melt you'll be ok.

>>134745788
In comes the talking heads to blame it on brexit

>>134746534
>because I liked it
>I paid 30 cents for this capsuled 1oz
No you didn't, you paid 5000% premium because some sleazy dealer who knows your mentality convinced you copper will be worth 1 trillion in the apocalypse and you need a pristine bullion token made by a 5 employee mint in a capsule to prepare for it even though there's tons of cheap and even free copper everywhere

>>134746585
what's your definition of semi-numismatic? because I use the standard definition of semi-numismatic defined by silver dealers and coin collectors. not sure what you think of when you say semi-numi.
>Generally, they are bullion coins that have a limited mintage (total number produced) and are attractive to collectors due to their design, special features, form factor, or overall series popularity.
Literally everything I stated

>>134745912
indeed and it builds caratre

>>134746902
I paid $1.50 actually. The capsule I got for free.

>>134746375
>>134746534
>>134746902
Disregard, I don't like bullying people

I had the TV on for background noise and some full retard ghost hunter program came on. Everything I hate about dumb white trash came to the fore of my mind.

>>134746987
Firstly, there's no realistic thing as as numismatic market for silver. Theres's only rip-off artists casing silver that literally costs less than getting it graded and cased.

Seminumismatic for gold refers to things like mint-state graded pre-1933 coins, not all of which are good investments.

>>134734633
True, but investing in silver is the right thing to do regardless. Inflation continues and you are guaranteed to make a profit. Especially now that we have negative interest and can't just park our money on our bank accounts.

>>134734527
Property is a terrible investment if you're concerned about an economic crash. It's tied into inflation rates. If that crashes you're sitting on land which is worth half the metals you could have purchased before.

You're somewhat correct about gold. It's value has been inflated too but its still a better investment than property. Silver and platinum are solid investments; even if there isn't a crash they retain their value more so can be traded. They are important in science and computing so you can always get a decent price for these; their value will only increase as natural resources reduce.

>>134735119
pretty much this. it's a security asset, not an investment.
never invest more into it than you can without putting some severe financial burden on yourself. if you have a spare grand at the end of the month, just throw ~5-10% of that into stuff like gold, silver, a generator and so on and put the rest into investments that actually yield a decent return. unless the economic collapse hits you at a really bad point that will get you much further.

>>134733198
There's zero point to hoarding gold and silver unless you're also hoarding mechanical methods of making them useful metals industrially after the collapse somehow. If you honestly believe the world's going to end or there's going to be a truly catastrophic economic collapse you'd be better served spending that money on supplies and firearms.

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>>134747493
this is my thought exactly

>>134747657
But don't feel bad tho. Most of the precious metals market is based on ripping off people who don't know any better.

Come back some day and ask for advice and I'll give you good starter's advice. Just don't ever do more business with a dealer who just wants to rip you off. There are too many of those kinds.

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>>134736196
pretty much this.
your precious metal assets are a security against total collapse, so it only really makes sense if you invest into the ones that are guaranteed to retain their value, even in the case of total collapse.

silver and gold have done so since millennia, so there is no reason why that should ever change. they are universally accepted as a valuable thing by almost every person on this planet.

if you just want to make money, there are easier ways than storing metal at home.

>>134733308
anus

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>>134733198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0PAC__sOQ

>>134737365

And do >35% of reactions used by pharmaceutical industry...
No palladium, no drugs

I'm sure those will still be needed after societal collapse

>>134736318
Aye, only this morning my kid had a silver thing put on a wound at the clinic. The uses are increasing by the day.

Diversification is always a good idea, particularly for anons in Eurozone countries where God knows what tomorrow will bring.

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>2017
>not having a fucking gold Euro

>>134741707
even in a total collapse scenario you would eventually return to the point where you use some kind of currency, simply because it is more convenient. and the most likely currency that will first emerge is that which has been used since we came up with the concept of currencies.

>>134743376
> Ha, third Reich doesn't need pilots, just tanks and subs, and it doesn't need gold ether, just get this Jew to run your bank.

Like lead isn't for ammo because it is soft like gold. No its because lead is blue, that is what makes it not scratch up a gun barrel.

>>134745414

jesus fuck the premium you must have paid for all that

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>>134733198
Gold and silver are both good. Bitcoin is better if you know how to properly store it.

>>134736979
Buying gov. Issued coins you are much less likely to get fakes than with generics

You can't buy a cappucino in 7-11 with a silver coins so what use would they have..

>>134733308
vagina

>>134733198

I have a little of both.
Basically as a protection against inflation / economic collapse.
If you look at the history of fiat currencies at what central banks are doing right now, you know a collapse is inevitable.

>>134733198
Absolutely retarded.

I used to hold around 10-15k USD in silver and gold bullion, but switched since then to BTC. I miss the feeling of having the physical metal, just holding it, the smell of it (silver especially, wonderful) is a special feeling.

Collapse will be slow. My money is in metals ETFs. I'll cash out before the big one and buy gonna and ammo

i don't see the point in having valuable materials i'm completely unaware of any Jew Stores within a 200 mile radius

i only invest in samurai swords and fedoras

>>134734412

yes, silver is great to stack, as it is currently so undervalued thanks to paper asset manipulation, that you can get a great deal. but as long as the paper assets are running, it's not really going to move anywhere except in a major collapse.

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>>134733198
I got around 300-350 OZ silver coins. I bought them 10 years ago.

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>>134749697
Oy vey! Cultural enrichment EU coins

fucki fucki

>>134737415

>can't into stores of value

currency is worthless. you want money.