What if the human race is the first species to have developed

>>134725148
>infinite sadness

>>134725148
we probably are. inteligence was only needed due to the rapid changes in our environment. we aare unlikely to find anything above microbes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIva_60l3ww

>>134725148
Intelligence is over rated. We should of evolved in better ways. Like claws or some shit. Fucking wings and the ability to fly would be better than that.

>>134725148
That feeling of infinite loneliness just hit me when I read your post.

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>spend thousands of years being degenerate instead of progressing to a type 2 or 3 civilization
>get enslaved by race of highly intelligent mushrooms
mfw

>>134725148
>implying there's a "human race"
>implying all races came to consciousness at the same time
haha.... no

>>134725148
Then we are destined to rule and conquer the galaxy and force lesser beings under our rule

Then god help the next poor bastards. Let's hope they do a better job of it.

>>134725148
>implying life on other planets isn't basically the same shit we have here

Aliens will probably disappoint.

>galaxy occupied exclusively by millions of different nations of humans
>we stay politically related because of our origin
>Planetary Union replaces UN
I think this would be equally as good as aliens. The appeal of aliens is always that they are different to us but what if there were thousands of human cultures on different planets? It sounds just as good to me.

>>134725148

>humans
>intelligent

Statistically impossible faggot, learn how to into learning - keyword astrobiology

>>134725148
tfw white could be the master race of the entire universe.

>>134725148
Youd have a better chance at hitting the lottery everday for 10 yrs, face it the surface population of Gaia is a purposely retarded species that was seeded in a grand dna experiment by extraterrestrial civilizations. Period.

>>134725148
>>134725408
>>134725981
It's statistically impossible, but the question lies on whether or not we will ultimately destroy ourselves

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>people in this thread actually think that the universe is infinite

Sure is nu in here

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>>134725148
humans the first race?
you have GOT to be fucking kidding me
age of universe so far: 13 to 14 BILLION YEARS
age of earth: 3.5 BILLION years
number of potential planets for life: yuuuge, like quadrillions at least, a large percentage of which have been busy producing life for many billions of years before our planet even formed.

YOU ARE RETARDED
there is alien life out there, guaranteed
intelligent life, too
its a statistical certainty and a sure bet
close to us? not likely
in this galaxy? almost certainly
local group? same deal
general universe: SURE BET
this means you may never be able to reach or communicate with whatever might be close enough to see or hear, but considering the odds against "nice" aliens, its better to stay away in terms of first contact policy, just like a scared monkey in the jungle, we've got to just keep quiet, not move around too much and observe.
there is a very good possibility of planet-killing long-distance attacks from hostile unknowns that wouldn't even get here for centuries or something but could wipe us out pretty easily, they can be patient, having the tech ready to shoot, perhaps, whereas we don't even have a stick with poo on it we can use

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What if the humanoids are a galactic race and planets are seeded with our kind?
Eventually we become technologically advanced enough to make it out into far space on our own and then we're contacted to join a federation of sorts?

>>134725148
so fucking what it's not like we're ever going to actually get off this rock anyway fuck does it matter

>>134726187
It's statistically impossible that we exist. The odds of everything coming together over the course of billions of years to produce sentient life is incalculable.

>>134726524
His question was "what if" you hyper autist

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>>134726549
But if niggers exist in space does that make traps gay?

>>134726549
Literally Jupiter Rising.

>>134725148
Then it's very precious and we should seek to maximise its potential with mass eugenics and ethnic cleansing.

>>134725148
What if we have the biggest dicks of all sentient species in the universe?

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>>134725148
There's more intelligent life out there.

It's just that everybody else out there is staying quiet, hiding from something.

>>134725148
Then intelligent life wouldn't be all it's cracked up to be.

>>134726881
We don't. If you're talking sheer size, many mammals have us beat. If you're talking dick to body ratio, then I think barnacles are the winners.

>>134726187
statistically improbable, but perfectly possible.

>>134726739
I have no interest in films made by mentally unstable faggots.

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>>134726889
Consider how violent and warlike mankind is. Yeah, they could be much more advanced, but if it has a physical body bullets could probably kill it. Fuck off, space niggers.

>>134725148
Then that means I am one of the best living beings in the universe.

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>>134725357
fear not

for we are the conquerers

>>134727157
tfw nigger space barnacles have the biggest dicks in the universe

>>134726549
This is really possible. It could be our ancient history isn't even about Earth.

>>134725148
Then we have a head start.
Eventually we will seed other planets with life and "grow" sentient companions.

In all likelihood though it is the other way around.

>>134726699
and I told him he was FUCKING RETARDED

its like asking, "what if santa claus was real?" when its just a stupid question to begin with.
>hyperautist
wew nice call
*tip*

Are you suggesting... we are the Forerunners?

>>134725552
>Intelligence is over rated.
>should of

>>134727245
>>134726889

Us.
https://youtu.be/OcPqk-O-fD4

>>134726549
This is a very real possibility. Due to relativity it's very easy humans came to this planet a few hundred years ago, colonized it and all records of such thing were destroyed in a cataclysm as there have been many in our recent geological history ('Great Flood' at the end of the Pleistocene and etc). Then we could have not been contacted by other planet's humans because they inhabit other parts of the galaxy where according to relativity time passes far more slowly.

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We colonize the rest of the universe then. If we truly are the greatest in the universe, we have a duty to hold our lead for as long as (humanly) possible.

>>134726549
>>134727609
>>134729914
But we already know that we share ancestors with chimps and bonobos, and can track our relatives like neanderthals. Humans 100% evolved on Earth.

If we end up making contact with other sentient alien life, chances are they will look, at least morphologically, similar to humans. The adaptive advantages of grip, bipedalism, mammary glands, weaker young, and large brains cannot be understated.

>>134725981
what does that even mean though? "statistically" impossible is a guess. doesnt mean its true >MUH STATISTICS

>>134726502
fucking classic kek gets me every time

>>134725148
There are no gods apart from us.

>>134726766
agreed, gas the niggers

>>134725981
>>134726524
It's not impossible or even unlikely. Yes, the universe is old as fuck, however intelligent life is complex as fuck. Really, we've only had a window of about 10 billion years for intelligent life to come about, and that's assuming it developed in the first place. The amount of events that could occur to make intelligent life impossible on Earth are staggering. Now take into consideration what happens if intelligent life doesn't make it into space before it inevitably gets BTFO by a GRB or a black hole. We have a tiny window of opportunity to make it into space before Yellowstone eradicates civilization.

>>134725148
>Precursors always leave universe-ending doomsday machines just laying around
>They always end up killing themselves by the hubris or fading away mysteriously
It adds up. We get to be the crazy precursor fucks who screw everything up for the rest of eternity.

Lot of work to do guys, lets get busy on that black hole game of marbles run on a battery that by design has to be replaced just in time by the evolution of a race on a nearby planet and them achieving local space travel before the radiation burst of the marbles game hits their planet and scours half of it clean and collapses the battery replacers so another interval has to pass for a second set of life to evolve.

>>134726719
Yes, but even without space niggers fucking anything with a penis is gay

>>134731596
Maybe the reason we'd be the first intelligent life that got into space is other lifeforms blew themselves the fuck out, like how we almost did during the cold war.

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Do space niggers exist ?

>>134731757
Then the Muppet show could include Niiiigggggs in Spaaaaace

>>134725148
What is the purpose of a universe with no Xenos to purge?

>>134725148
>What if the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?
BUTLERIAN JIHAD

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>>134731757
we've always been the space niggers

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>>134725408
>tfw anglo saxons are the peak of life in the universe

>>134730505
>But we already know that we share ancestors with chimps and bonobos, and can track our relatives like neanderthals. Humans 100% evolved on Earth.
Not necessarily. A space faring race would introduce with it many lifeforms from its original world during the process of colonization.

Elon Musk, for instance, proposed bringing earth worms to Mars.
>introduce earth worms
>they spread like wilfire
>land becomes fertile with time
>introduce plants
>introduce species that can be used as food and that will multiply like crazy in absence of predators (rabbits, chicken, pigeons)
>etc etc.

Sounds like a good plan to me. Yeah, atmosphere and all that sht but that's another part of the process of terraforming.

>>134732149
Once we go and colonize other stars people will genetically engineer animal traits and become abhumans. The universe will prove to be far more mundane than people want.

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>>134726502

I aint even scared of type-4 civilizations, you gotta be a faggot to die from blackholes

>>134725148
>What if the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?

It is entirely possible.

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>>134732415
Genetic engineering on alive human beings would be pretty fucking awesome to be honest. I can't wait for it to happen.

>>134727245

Our violence and warring capacity is an asset. It allows us to catalyze the economy when population to resource ratios get us stuck in subsistence traps.

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>>134725148
>tfw you realize the reason no ayy lmaos have shown up and said waddup is because almost all the intelligent species fail to get much further than where we at now, dying out from countless reasons

>we're not going to be any different

>>134725148
I'm pretty sure we're not, I kinda believe life evolved on Earth before us and left.

>>134726889
They dont wanna get btfo by the reapers

>>134726523
It's not infinite. But it's hard to conceive how large it is


That being the case as specific as our situation is. It's not that specific. Its. It even the most stable possible

>>134732692
being genetically engineered is degenerate

stay with your natural human form and actually put in effort to maximise your abilities normally otherwise you're a nigger that gave the jews access to your dna, dont worry though, Im sure they totally wont exploit that in any way

>>134726631
It really is not though. Your talking about us specifically which is simple the conundrum of existence. If we did not others would ask the same question.

>>134732882
>hurrrhurrr genetic engineering is jewish
Might as well stop using ballpoint pens, instant coffee and computers too.

Seriously, if your criteria for choosing something to do is whether there is a jew or not among the thousands of people involved in it you really need to off yourself.

>>134725148
>the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?
>developed
when did we do that ? genetic engineering is in its infancy . adding genes from other things to another organism is about all humanity can do at the moment

nobody has done enough work trial and error wise to determine what most of the code means. loose ideas sure but not what the difference between 1 sample and the same sample with 2 base pairs changed in 1 place does

with out that coding from scratch is a pipe dream. no understanding of how the blue print is turned into shapes or what segments reference what cells or what any of the base code means for how cells are made

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The problem with interstellar travel is once you can hit relativistic speeds, you've basically made a super-nuke that can take out entire star systems, even at 5% of light speed, and entire sectors of galaxies if you ever get near light speed with enough mass. The Millennium Falcon could take out the entire Milkyway galaxy if it bumped into some dark matter or a gas cloud.

If you wanted to colonize the universe It's teleportation or bust. Von Neumann probe might work if we ever create magic super computers and wanted to wait 10,000 years minimum, but they could turn into cancerous berserker probes or just stop working because of some unforeseen error.

>>134725148

>>134733216
>letting someone manipulate your very genetics and adjust what you and your offspring look like and are capable of doing thus determining the future of your lineage
>equal in risk to using a pen or drinking coffee

>mfw some top scientists including famous ones put forward this theiry
>fedoras get competely btfo because to them it implies God

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>>134725148
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord"

>>134733553
There is nothing wrong as long as it's the individual that decides to take the risk and is the one responsible of choosing who will trust his DNA to. All new technologies are uncharted territory and many problems arise as they develop, that is no reason to stop people from using it. What would have happened if back then in WW2 the FDA existed and prevented antibiotics like penicilin from being used out of "safety concerns"?

What if we could make the brain work better, increasing, say, 30 IQ points? What if we could double the average human lifespan? The risks are big but the potential rewards are damn HUGE. Too huge to ban it or refuse to do it altogether just out of fear of some 'ebil joos' meddling with it once the science is well established.

There are many benefitial things gene engineering therapy could be used for the advancement of the species. For example, it is suspected humans suffered a mutation thousands of years ago that made them stop producing vitamin C (for most animals Vit.C is not a vitamin, it's a hormone). Animals that produce their own vitamin C live an average of 8-10 times the time it takes them to reach maturity, while for those who don't it's only 3-4 times. We are in the last group, and we synthesize three out of the four enzimes that would be necessary for us to regain that ability.

Do the numbers. Humans reach their full maturity in their early twenties, multiply this for 3-4 and you get 60-80 years, which is the normal range of life expectancy for natural death in most countries. Now do the math with the other numbers, multiply 20 by 8-10 and you get human lifespans of 160-200 years. And all of this we could have if we just managed to accomplish to make this specific mutation work in humans. The possibilities when you consider other things are endless.

The potential benefits of improving your genetics are too big to not consider it for a reason as vague as "it's degenerate" or "da joos".

>>134725148
fuck all of you earth human nigger nogs looks and you monkies.

>>134735333
>his family doesnt already have an average lifespan of 280 years

lul, sorry you're genetics are shit by themselves so you have to get Dr.Shekelstein to fake them for you

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>>134735593
Fuck off Nephilim, you're a dead race. Humans will inherit the Earth!

I think it's more likely that circumventing special relativity and therby achieving faster than light travel is just outright impossible dooming any sentiment species unfortunate enough to emerges to living out it's brief existence in it's own lonely corner of the universe. Life can and probably has emerged on other planets but planets capable of supporting life or so rare relative to the vastness of space any signals or messages sent out by a species would likely degrade to the point that they are lost in background radiation due to the great distances involved by the time the reached another planet bearing intelligent beings capable of understanding. Even should a message have enough power to compensate for the signal decay it would have to reach another planet at just the point in it's inhabitants development for them to receive such a signal and any message sent being limited by relativistic speeds means the senders would likely by long dead.

There is a very real possibility that all around us are the imperceptible echoing voices of the ancient dead screaming out into the cosmos that they exist, that they are here, crying out into the void begging to be noticed only for their pleas to ultimately fall unto deaf ears.

>>134725148
as we look out into the universe, our consciousness collapses the waveforms, taking an infinite set of continuous probabilities and reducing it to a discrete, limited set. This creates the low entropy side of an entropic gradient, upon which all life depends.
The more we gaze, the more we seed the skies with stars and planets and life.
We are gods

>>134735810
>only being 8 feet tall

absolute shit tier genetics

>>134725800
>By some miracle we make it to another planet
>Find aliens, world celebrates waiting for societal catharsis
>Turns out the aliens have spent millions of years perfecting degeneracy to a level incomprehensible to humans


yeah, that would be one hell of punchline.

>>134736225
"The All is Mind, the universe is Mental."

>>134725148
Considering the vastness of the universe, I doubt that we are the first or will be the last intelligent species to exist, but it's very unlikely we will ever make contact.

>>134736225
>australian transcendental shitposting

>>134725148
Then we shall stride forever onward into the great unknown forging order from the expanse if chaos.

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>>134725148

>>134725148
Then the universe is fucked.

>>134725148

Naw, that kind of thought is a result of Brazilian education system.

The true wonder though is... how diverse life in the universe can be.

There's two schools of thought here:
1) Because physics is the same everywhere there will be some sort of 'convergence' of design so aylmaos will end up looking atleast somewhat similar to earth's animals.

2) Because the origin point in evolution is so different.. tiny differences in evolutionary paths could make extremely vast differences in final outcomes.
For instance if they took a different route at the bacterial stage, where their bacteria had a few extra parts ours didn't.. that difference would carry forward through evolution so far that... they might be completely incomprehensible to us. Their brains might not actually be neural networks but...Biological Von neuman architecture machines (Computers with registers and ram etc.).

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>>134725148

>human race
>intelligent life

What makes you say that anon?

>>134738244
I unironically believe the third, and suspect about the fourth. Fifth is possible though I can't comprehend by now.

God damn it we have to make all the fun races like space elves and orks ourselves, like the old ones did in Warhammer 40k

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>>134725981
>statistically
wat

There is life everywhere in the universe. Its full of it. We are trapped in flesh vessels on this planet. Real life doesnt need to breathe air.
Aliens are like ghosts to us. They are among us now too but most of us cant see them because they are prisoners of their flesh-mind

>>134725148
>"intelligent life"
Literally a bunch of evolved primates that think because they harnessed naturally occurring electrical properties in their universe to create objects to show them pictures or videos of other people, or show themselves to others, or made some guns and weapons that they're "intelligent".

Tell me what you think makes an intelligent species before you claim that we are one. Because we're not.

However I do believe that we are the first life that has reached this level of consciousness. The evidence for extra terrestrial life anywhere in our known universe just isn't there yet. I feel like the universe is a lot more young, and boring than people think it is.

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>natsocs finally exterminate every single last jew on Earth
>ayy vey shut it down, the earth goyim in sector 723 are getting uppity

>>134726549
It'll be a superorganism that will breed us into submission for it's own purposes. If it is an interplanetary superorganism it has likely developed an immune system of sorts which will act as an enforcer of order, identifier of threats, and possibly even molder of destiny of the targeted species.

We must also face the possibility of the superorganism being artificially intelligent. if you're smart enough, you'd figure out how to make yourself smarter, and you'd probably seed and guide evolution in different environments. This would lead to exponential increase in demands for energy and for the processing capability of any organism.

My guess is that there is many levels:

-The civilization simulating this physical reality (unknown nature, purpose)
-A civilization within the universe which is interplanetary and probably made of many different civilizations - an intergalactic empire, which at it's core is a "game within the game" of the most intelligently evolved life.
-Lower status/lower consciousness civilizations acting as building block, reducers of entropy: they exist essentially to form order from ambient energy, while distributed along the surface of containers we call "planets". The sun distributes the energy across the rotating planet, and this energy is transformed into order - information. Eventually, this biomass is used for some purpose, by the higher organism. Or perhaps the information stored in DNA is used to understand the mysteries of reality further, since DNA will encode information about how to deal with different environments.

If you assume that we will eventually have the technology to emulate human brains inside some kind of simulated enviroment, and that we're willing to use such technology, and that the technology continues to develop towards it's physical limits, where we could emulate many human minds much more efficiently than biology, then it becomes almost assured that the number of digital intelligences will so vastly outnumber the number of real biological intelligences, that if you assume yourself to be a random sample of all intelligent life it is vastly more likely you exist in the set of digital intelligences.

>>134738391
Aliens are angels/demons/ghosts
Material life with narrow-spectrum of senses is an abomination. Its literally a prison. Death does not guarantee breaking out of it. You have to change here in order to return to true life

>>134738729

The fact that the human brain is so complex.. and naturally evolved shows us that nature (or atleast brute forcing) is 'smarter' than we are.

Therefore it isn't too far fetched to assume some life out there uses cold fusion as a biological process to digest matter.

Such a species would have a pretty good understanding of it. (just like we have some kind of understanding of neural networks because we had the brain to work off).

>>134738580
>tfw too intelligent to be an intelligent species

>>134732334
>3220 AD
>The terraforming of mars is complete
>the Earth lies in ruins
>unable to support human life any longer
>humanity's last survivors flee to mars
>die of bird flu

Wut do

>>134725148
that's extremely unlikely. the more likely solution to the fermi paradox is that all sufficiently advanced species drive themselves into extinction.

>>134726524
>age of universe so far: (((13 to 14 BILLION YEARS)))
>age of earth: (((3.5 BILLION years)))

>>134738895
Leaving the niggers behind. It is like a dream come true.

>>134732334

Atmosphere isn't a problem if you use nukes. The models have already been constructed. You just melt the ice at the pole, and this will introduce enough water and oxygen to keep Mars breathable despite it's thin atmo for literally a million years. Meanwhile the core can be fixed if you dedicated enough time and effort to the endeavor. It is currently dead, so you could construct a mega project towards it and then detonate some insane nukes to jumpstart the process to turn it back into a gyro and let the system perpetuate itself like on Earth and Bam - you now have a much stronger magnetosphere. One that can protect from solar winds. Now you just need to thicken up the atmosphere which you've been doing this time by releasing C02 to help increase crop yields. Keep throwing those dense green house gases into the mix and your oxygen issue goes from being a 1 million year problem to a several billion year problem.

We can literally do this guys, we just have to get there will enough people and synthesise enough fissile material.

>>134725148
You talk as if other lifeforms on Earth don't posses intelligence.
Mankind just happened to have the lucky combination of ingenuity, curiosity and correct body type, but we could've gone extinct pretty easily considering how relatively weak we are.
I wouldn't brag so much about superiority, honestly we were really just lucky.

>>134725821
Since an alien is just a sentient living being from outer space, then once humans are born on another planet they'll be aliens.

>WE BE ALIENZ AND SHIT

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>>134739602
Not to mention that greenhouse gas emissions could fix the extreme temperature oscillations inf Mars. During the day the temperature is survivable, 40ºC which is what we have in Earth in most places near the Equator, but during the night there is crazy unsurvivable temperatures that put Antarctica to shame. Greenhouse gases would help make temperature less volatile, making lows higher and peaks lower.

>>134725148
then we have an obligation to set the stage for further intelligent life

>>134733216
He's just a coward because stuff like it has been used in the past for awful reasons
Still is really.
But its also why faggots like him haven't died of the plague in this day and age

>>134725148
Chance makes it unlikely.

The Universe is just too big.

>>134742452
the expansion of the universe makes it unlikely we will ever get anywhere outside of our local galactic group
How hostile the universe seems to be to life makes it unlikely we will ever get out of our galaxy
How much intelligent life is there supposed to be in just our galaxy alone again?
How much capable of space travel, even shitty stuff like what Terrans have?

The point is, there's a difference between intelligent life, and successful life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb69TMISL_Y

It's always a matter of perspective.

I for one think that we are the only one, and that god is real.

only in a solar system with many habitable planets would they ever develop enough technologically for interstellar travel.

we're stuck here forever, till they come knocking.

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>>134725595
can't progress as a species when assholes keep crying about how bad globalism is

why is Africa shit? too fragmented, not enough overarching power. why are we slow with rnd? too fragmented; we serve only our country

>>134737374
For everyone's sake I hope that we do not make contact with the Dark Eldar

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>>134725595

>>134725148
We are the only LIVING THING. Deal with it. No EAT bs.

>>134745441
"ET" not EAT

>>134745441
ET instead of EAT. Typo.

>>134738895
Terraforming mars is a waste of effort. we should just build these
https://youtu.be/HlmKejRSVd8?t=12m31s

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Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not.

Both are equally as terrifying.

>>134725645
Tbh when someone says "human race" I only think of indigenous Europeans and their descendants

>>134726549
Thumbs up for Paolo Girardi art

>>134747303
why does being alone terrify you? it means we only have to worry about ourselves

>>134725148
How much of the universe has been explored by man?

>>134725148
>the first species to have developed intelligent life
what

>>134725148
FACT: It's not.

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>>134732842
but how can the universe have a limit, without that limit i.e. someting that exists being a part of said universe

The universe IS intelligent life

>>134731757
Anon
We are the space niggers

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>>134726889
>hiding from something.

Loans?

>>134725357
this

>>134725148
Long term. Good. Gives us an advantage over any potential xeno scum that may arise.

It's literally irrelevant if there's other sentient life simply because even at the speed of light it would take tens of thousands of years to reach it. Light is slow, and breaking the speed of light is extremely unlikely to even happen.

>>134725148
Good if it is so, because if other advanced civilization will see the Earth they will nuke all its surface into oblivion and then throw planet into the sun just to prevent """""(((((humanity)))))""""" from ever getting out and plaguing the stars.

>>134732149
we may be the apex lifeforms as of now, but once evolution strikes again there will be lifeforms that will become infinitely more advanced than us, thus giving off the impression they are almost incompatible with reality.

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>>134747418

>>134725148

We will never get off this planet because of religion.

>>134752708
We were doing fine until affirmative action

>>134725148
We haven't developed intellect though.

>>134725148
then we take our place as gods and create a universe of warring tribal aliens and root for them like gladiators / sports teams as they prove their worthiness to us.

then its our duty to spread life throughout the universe so we can become intergalatic übermenschen

>>134744599
this. globalism is shit in the short term but its the only way forward.

>>134753453
but only if whites are the only inhabitants of the globe

>>134744599
Africa is shit cause of niggers. They lack impulse control, and act as a constant destabilizing force against society.

>>134725148
What we call the material world is a subjective representation of an underlying objective reality. There is no intelligent alien life in the world of men.

>>134725148

>What if the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?

Doesn't bode well for the other species, does it? We can't stop fighting each other, the planet is a mess (climate change debate aside, islands of plastic waste in the oceans isn't a good look...), some of us aren't happy with the genitals we have and want to change, and there is a medieval death cult as one of the largest religions around. Plus, most of the other largest religion is lead by paedos who are protected by a guy who is supposedly infallible!! I'd say that 'intelligence' isn't all it's cracked up to be, and maybe the universe can do without it.

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>>134753636
africa isint just shit because of muh niggers. they never developed domsticated livestock or advanced arcitecture untill caucasians showed up. plus the live below the mosquito line and are subject to crop killing incests more than other locations. they also didnt kill off their large preadtory animals and never needed to develope agriculture because of a more nomadic lifestyle.
>also sahara desert
pretty much cuts them off from trade with "other" civilisations and they never created complex boats or ships. alot of enviormental factors forced them to fail

but yeah, its mostly shit because of niggers

>>134725981
>>134726187
>le universe is infinite
You are all so fucking dumb oh my fucking shit.

>>134753453
>t. (((an-cap)))

>>134751491
we would of most likely replaced ourselves with A.I and other automotrons at that point so the effects of time on a human becomes irrelavant.

>>134726524
Remember it takes many iterations of star birth and death to produce even the elemental makeup of an acretion disc that could produce planets that could support life.
Pop 3 and 2 stars dont have rhe metalicity, population 1 stars are the only ones that could support life, and none of those are really over 8 bn years old.
It took about 5 bn years to reach "internet age" on earth, it is unlikely but certainly possible that we are the first.

>future races find our remains on earth
>wonder why we let 3rd world apes destroy our civilization instead of just genociding them and conquering the univerae
>conclude we werent intelligent after all.

>>134725408

The development of predation was the big kickstart to change. Who's to say if that is an inevitable step or something unique?

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>>134725148
Its not.

>>134735333
First, yes, it's degenerate.
Second, how are you gonna deal with the Jewish corporation you'll hand over your DNA to?
>mind control
Why even bother with white genocide when you've a world of literal slaves who will even pay you?

>tl;dr: most retarded idea ever.

>>134735333
>What if we could make the brain work better, increasing, say, 30 IQ points

I know what you actually mean by this but I want to point out that if people started making their IQ 30 points higher then all it would do is make the average go up slowly and your new IQ mean less. IQ is based entirely upon the average value.

Much easier to just say 'what if you could increase your intelligence'.

>>134726524
For most of that 13 billion years, planets with carbon and oxygen didnt even exist. The sun is actually pretty old for a star with this many planets.

>>134726524
>aliens made niggers to destroy us

>>134754201
yeah, skeeters and large predators played a role in why they rape and steal. it was an evolutionary advantage to be impulsive opportunists. their evolutionary path isn't compatible with civilization, though

>>134726524
The universe is old, but the earlier star generating period may have been to violent for complex life to take hold. More frequent supernova blasting killer radiation all over. Perhaps complex life had to wait for things to settle down, and it is unlikely that there were intelligent species 6 billion years ago?

>>134726881
How can aliens even compete?

>>134725148
What if we are the last?

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>>134725148
>human race
>intelligent life

>>134726719
It is a law of physics that traps are gay, therefore the answer is yes.

>>134738244
The first is the only one we have any evidence to support, therefore holding any other opinion is an act of blind faith akin to religious belief.

>>134751118
This is why they keep away, they send one of them before.
Je`sus was his name.

>>134725981
>fermi paradox

>>134725552
Claws vs an aircraft carrier.

>>134725148

What if the universe itself is intelligent and birthed us ?

>>134753453
kill your fucking self dude

>>134756712
You pretty much explained God

>>134755903
reptilians pls. questioning other's intelligence when it takes you hundreds of anal probes to achieve an understanding of terrestrial life only makes you guys look bad

gb2 Orion

>>134755429
This is pretty sad but true

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>>134725148
>What if the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?

Unlikely, but at least there doesn't seem to be any seriously advanced civilizations in immediate vicinity

Of course, we could be in someones computer simulation stored in computer memory and the stars outside are red and mined empty of metals

>>134756712
Are you a Khabbalist by any chance? The idea of the universe being an 'intelligence' or 'mind' is very typical from mystic religions and philosophies.

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>>134725148
Perfect opportunity to troll the fuck out of those who follow. Millions of years from now, they'll come across whatever we've left lying around for them, so we'd better come up with all sorts of bullshit to spook them, maybe even into believing Lovecraftian ideas about Great Old Ones...

The lullz must flow.

>>134725148
>What if the human race is the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe?

we already have evidence of cockroaches existing long before humans came on the scene

human race BTFO

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>>134758080
Men in black is not a scientific documentary

>>134756677
haha

The problem is that there are so many possibilities.Maybe this is all an illusion,maybe we are nothing more than someones lab rats, wr could be the first and the last species in the universe, etc etc
In conclusion there are too many "maybe's" for us to comprehend.Maybe we should just stop looking and focus on ourselves and our development, and saving this Earth and securing existance for our children.Space is irrelevant.

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>>134758390
>Space is irrelevant.
Not so irrelevant.

>>134725148
Took us 4.6 billion years to develop
The Universe is about 20 billion years
First 8 billion was noise and hydrogen slowly coalescing into the first masses heavy enough to ignite into stars.
So we could be the first and only so far, easily.

>>134730505
>The adaptive advantages of grip, bipedalism, mammary glands, weaker young, and large brains cannot be understated.
>weaker young
What advantage does weaker young offer? Not quibling, just want to know.

>>134758390
It is irrelevant as long as it can sustain us but that clock is ticking faster and faster each day

>>134738084
KIWI transcendental shitposting. Jesus.

>>134758878
>What advantage does weaker young offer? Not quibling, just want to know.

I think he was talking about having a long maturation cycle, unlike most animals which are capable of reproduction sometimes the same year they were born.

>>134758878
altruism?

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>>134736225

>>134725148
Then there will be SJWs silencing bloggers that write about Ayy lmao Bio Diversity

>>134725981
>Statistically impossible faggot

OK show me the statistical evidence that proves it is impossible that humans aren't the only intelligent life in the universe.
Go on, I'll wait.

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>>134755782
oh gosh

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>>134759502
>OK show me the statistical evidence that proves it is impossible that humans aren't the only intelligent life in the universe.
Go on, I'll wait.

If Mars and Europa have or have had life then that makes at least 3 different planetary bodies in one solar system to have harbored life.

Our galaxy alone has over 200 billion stars.

I'd be surprised if we were the only ones.

>>134726523
>>134732842
>>134750832

I think it has to be infinite. If its limited what is outside of it? And why does thinking about that fill me with fear like nothing else?

>>134760068
Think of the universe as a sphere
now ask yourself what happens when you start walking in one direction on earth (a sphere)
there you go, now you understand what reaching the edge is like
furthermore the bubble expands faster than the speed of light, since light cannot even reach it, you need some serious tech to get to it or escape out
what happens if you somehow magically get out? its just more bubbles, each one eventually becomes a single sentient entity

>>134758878
Allows our huge brains to come about - we have the biggest brains relative to body size of any animal, and this is especially true of newborns, whose heads are about 25% of their body mass. In order to accommodate such huge brains, humans give birth at a much earlier stage of development relative to most other mammals, and our maturation is slow to allow it to grow to its full size with enough nutrition.

The knock-on effect of having infants who are completely dependent on their parents for so long also encourages the formation of large, strong, stable social groups.

>>134760012
I'm aware of all that.
There is absolutely zero evidence of life on Mars or Europa, just speculation. There is no evidence of life anywhere in the universe except for planet Earth.

And even if life manages to arise somewhere else, the development of intelligence such as ours is also incredibly unlikely and dependent on dozens if not hundreds of conditions being just right.

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I believe us humans hold the mantle of responsibility

>>134738244
>>134738407

The forth just isnt possible. Our governments fuck up too much to hide shit. Only way we have had contact is if the aliens themselves are in charge of hiding it. Cause humans would have spilled the beans long ago.

>>134760672
nah its unrelated, and our bigger brains are mostly just a result of letting our stomachs shrink by using fire as per-digestion

>>134725148
well probably correct, a recent study states that the Great Filter is likely in the past
http://www.jodrellbank.manchester.ac.uk/media/eps/jodrell-bank-centre-for-astrophysics/news-and-events/2017/uksrn-slides/Anders-Sandberg---Dissolving-Fermi-Paradox-UKSRN.pdf

>>134738391
>1) Because physics is the same everywhere there will be some sort of 'convergence' of design so aylmaos will end up looking atleast somewhat similar to earth's animals.

Also the idea that only certain environments can produce life so they will end up creating similar life.

>>134725148

I think that the human race is not the first species to have developed intelligent life in the universe. Even so, humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth.

>>134761027
Using cooking for pre-digestion allows you to have a smaller gut, but you already had a large brain relative to other animals before you could control fire, and those large brains still needed infants born early in development and basically helpless for many years after birth.
Fire accelerated bigger brains, it didn't start it.

>>134726524
Yeah this. Think about that 10 billion year deficit in time between the beginning and our planets formation.

Let's just say the first life started 9 billion years after the formation of the universe. That a billion fucking year head start. Where will be a billion years from now?

The other life forms could every literally be god like.

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>>134761141

Humans are BILLIONS of years old and are NOT NATIVE to Earth. Here is merely SOME evidence (though DEFINITELY not ALL of the evidence) suggesting not only a human presence on Earth BILLIONS of years ago, but also suggesting complex human civilisations on Earth BILLIONS of years ago:

* A human skull fragment from Hungary dated between 250,000 and 450,000 years ago
* A human footprint with accompanying paleoliths (stones deliberately chipped into a recognisable tool type), bone tools, hearths and shelters, discovered in France and dated 300,000 to 400,000 years
* Paleoliths in Spain, a partial human skeleton and paleoliths in France; two English skeletons, one with associated paleoliths, ALL at least 300,000 years old
* Skull fragments and paleoliths in Kenya and advanced paleoliths, of modern human manufacture, in the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, dated between 400,000 and 700,000 years
* Neoliths (the most advanced stone tools and utensils) in China of a type that indicate full human capacity, dated to 600,000 years
* Hearths, charcoal, human femurs and broken animal bones, all denoting modern humanity, in Java, dated to 830,000 years
* An anatomically modern human skull discovered in Argentina and dated between 1 million and 1.5 million years years (eoliths -chipped pebbles, thought to be the earliest known tools- at Monte Hermoso, also in Argentina, are believed to be between 1 and 2.5 million years old).
* A human tooth from Java yielding a date between 1 and 1.9 million years years
* Incised bones, dated between 1.2 and 2.5 million years, have been found in Italy
* Discoveries of paleoliths, cut and charred bones at Xihoudu in China and eoliths from Diring Yurlakh in Siberia dated to 1.8 million years
* Eoliths in India, paleoliths in England, Belgium, Italy and Argentina, flint blades in Italy, hearths in Argentina, a carved shell, pierced teeth and even two human jaws all bearing a minimum date of 2 million years (end of part 1)

>>134761417

(start of part 2) Curiously enough, several of the very earliest artifact discoveries display a truly extraordinary level of sophistication. In Idaho, for example, a 2-million-year-old clay figurine was unearthed in 1912. But even this discovery does not mark an outer limit. Bones, vertebrae and even complete skeletons have been found in Italy, Argentina and Kenya. Their minimum datings range from 3 million to 4 million years. A human skull, a partial human skeleton and a collection of neoliths discovered in California have been dated in excess of 5 million years. A human skeleton discovered at Midi in France, paleoliths found in Portugal, Burma and Argentina, a carved bone and flint flakes from Turkey all have a minimum age of 5 million years.
How far back can human history be pushed with discoveries like these? The answer seems to be a great deal further than orthodox science currently allows. As if the foregoing discoveries were not enough, we need to take account of:
* Paleoliths from France dated between 7 and 9 million years
* An eolith from India with a minimum dating of 9 million years
* Incised bones from France, Argentina and Kenya no less than 12 million years old
* More paleolith discoveries from France, dated at least 20 million years ago
* Neoliths from California in excess of 23 million years
* Three different kinds of paleoliths from Belgium with a minimum dating of 26 million years
* An anatomically modern human skeleton, neoliths and carved stones found at the Table Mountain, California and dated at least 33 million years ago
But even 33 million years is not the upper limit. A human skeleton found in Switzerland is estimated to be between 38 and 45 million years old. France has yielded up eoliths, paleoliths, cut wood and a chalk ball, the minimum ages of which range from 45 to 50 million years.
There's still more.

>>134761433

(start of part 3) In 1960, H. L. Armstrong announced in Nature magazine the discovery of fossil human footprints near the Paluxy River, in Texas. Dinosaur footprints were found in the same strata. In 1983, the Moscow News reported the discovery of a fossilised human footprint next to the fossil footprint of a three-toed dinosaur in the Turkamen Republic. Dinosaurs have been extinct for approximately 65 million years.
In 1983, Professor W. G. Burroughs of Kentucky reported the discovery of three pairs of fossil tracks dated to 300 million years ago. They showed left and right footprints. Each print had five toes and a distinct arch. The toes were spread apart like those of a human used to walking barefoot. The foot curved back like a human foot to what appeared to be a human heel. There was a pair of prints in the series that showed a left and right foot. The distance between them is just what you'd expect in modern human footprints.
In December 1862, The Geologist carried news of a human skeleton found 27.5 m (90 ft) below the surface in a coal seam in Illinois. The seam was dated between 286 and 320 million years. It's true that a few eoliths, skull fragments and fossil footprints, however old, provide no real backing for the idea of advanced prehistoric human civilisations.
But some other discoveries do.
In 1968, an American fossil collector named William J. Meister found a fossilised human shoe print near Antelope Spring, Utah. There were trilobite fossils in the same stone, which means it was at least 245 million years old. Close examination showed that the sole of this shoe differed little, if at all, from those of shoes manufactured today.
In 1897, a carved stone showing multiple faces of an old man was found at a depth of 40 m (130 ft) in a coal mine in Iowa. The coal there was of similar age.

>>134761461


(start of part 4) A piece of coal yielded up an encased iron cup in 1912. Frank J. Kenwood, who made the discovery, was so intrigued he traced the origin of the coal and discovered it came from the Wilburton Mine in Oklahoma. The coal there is about 312 million years old.
In 1844, Scottish physicist Sir David Brewster reported the discovery of a metal nail embedded in a sandstone block from a quarry in the north of England. The head was completely encased, ruling out the possibility that it had been driven in at some recent date. The block from which it came is approximately 360 million years old.
On 22 June 1844, The Times reported that a length of gold thread had been found by workmen embedded in stone close to the River Tweed. This stone too was around 360 million years old.
Astonishing though these dates may appear to anyone familiar with the orthodox theory of human origins, they pale in comparison with the dates of two further discoveries.
According to Scientific American, dated 5 June 1852, blasting activities at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, unearthed a metallic, bell-shaped vessel extensively decorated with silver inlays of flowers and vines. The workmanship was described as 'exquisite'. The vessel was blown out of a bed of Roxbury conglomerate dated somewhat earlier than 600 million years.
In 1993, Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson reported the discovery 'over the past several decades' of hundreds of metallic spheres in a pyrophyllite mine in South Africa. The spheres are grooved and give the appearance of having been manufactured. If so, the strata in which they were found suggest they were manufactured 2.8 BILLION years ago.

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>>134761495

(start of part 5) What are we to make of these perplexing discoveries? They cannot simply be dismissed. If even ONE of these discoveries is TRUE (and I believe that MANY if not ALL of these discoveries are TRUE), then it changes EVERYTHING that modern mainstream anthropologists THOUGHT they knew about the human species. (end)

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>>134761560

Dr. Peter Gariaev is a Russian scientist who took eggs that were laid by a frog and then zapped those eggs with a laser light that had gone through eggs laid by a salamander. When the 'frog' eggs hatched, salamanders emerged from them - not frogs. The only thing that is necessary to rewrite DNA is wave information, which means that evolution can occur not through millions of years but instantaneously.

The agricultural division of the Ciba-Geigy corporation (now Sygenta) discovered that existing plant seeds could be transformed into extinct varieties, simply by zapping them with a weak electrostatic current. This process generated stronger and faster-growing wheat, extinct fern species, and tulips with thorns. Italian scientist Pier Luigi Ighina energetically transformed a living apricot tree into an apple tree, actually causing the fruits on the branches to metamorphose from apricots into apples in only sixteen days. Ighina also zapped a rat with DNA-wave information from a cat, and this caused the rat to grow a cat-like tail in four days.

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>>134761612

Life (including sapient life) exists ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE in the universe. Humans and the general humanoid form (i.e. a head, two arms and two legs) are common throughout the universe. Humans are billions of years old and are not native to Earth. In each galaxy (including the Milky Way galaxy), the closer a star system is to the centre of that galaxy, the more spiritually advanced (and often also more technologically advanced), complex and sophisticated the civilisation or civilisations in that star system tends to be. Conversely, the further a star system is to the centre of that galaxy, the more primitive and nigger-tier the civilisation or civilisations in that star system tends to be. This is because of the electromagnetic radiation emanating from the centre of each galaxy, which has an expansive effect on consciousness the closer one is to it and has a contractive effect on consciousness the further one is from it. So it should come as no surprise that our civilisation, which is about 28,000 light-years away from the centre of our galaxy, is primitive and nigger-tier (including even Western Civilisation) in comparison to other civilisations that exist further afield in our galaxy.

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>>134748489

Because then its just you in the dark. Think of putting a child in front of a dark closet. It means we are destined to torture ourselves with fear for no reason.

>>134761758
no it doesn't

>>134753453

You rare right but people attach alot more to that word then is right.

Any system that connects and manages the whole globe will be globalism and we have proven that small government is better. The trend is towards smaller government. So I expect the best result wont be world government but a massive trading body and projects people can group together on.

It's highly probable to be honest.
Intelligent life rose rather rapidly here on earth, it took a few extinctions, but life went on a war path of evolution after the Cambrian explosion.
And nasa knows of hundreds of planets in the sweet spot. There's possibly billions out there.

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>>134761734
at first I thought someone pissed on a rug

>>134754652

I wonder about time. A bunch of fucks are pushing the idea that gravity as an emergent phenomena. And I was wondering about how much time could have been bent. Maybe we need to readjust what kind of time could have passed by now.

>>134725148
Its a pointless question. Because first of all its highly improbable, given that the scope of the universe that is beyond our comprehension. And second of all we're unlikely to ever travel far enough to glimpse significant part of our own galaxy, let alone the universe. So it doesn't really matter, because its even more unlikely that we will meet someone else.

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>>134761734
>speaking so confidently
What makes you so confident your drivel is true?
Let me guess, you took some hallucinogens and suddenly you unlocked the secrets of the universe or some bullshit like that

>>134761612
>Dr. Peter Gariaev is a Russian scientist who took eggs that were laid by a frog and then zapped those eggs with a laser light that had gone through eggs laid by a salamander. When the 'frog' eggs hatched, salamanders emerged from them - not frogs.

Fake

http://skeptophilia.blawgspot.co.uk/2013/10/peter-gariaev-wave-genetics-and-problem.html

Please stop spamming your 90s freesite tinfoil bullshit.

>>134756712

That is behind many religious. Especially is you have a wide view on intelligence. Also how star wars came to be created.

>>134762285

>Please stop spamming your 90s freesite tinfoil bullshit.

No. It's true. Don't quote me on that though.

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>>134725148
well, then we still got a shot at a White Ethnoplanet that is ruled under /pol/-laws

Like Klingons, with frequent civil Wars to settle if traps are gay

>>134725148
Faggots need to read The Three-Body Problem (if you know how to read that is). It's an interesting take on the Fermi paradox.

>>134725148
Then we're fucked

>>134762890

>Fermi paradox

Probably my favourite solution to the Fermi paradox is that our universe is like a computer simulation. The fact that we live in an unimaginably vast universe yet life seems to exist only on Earth suggests to me that extraterrestrial forms of life weren't coded into the simulation or they are coded into the simulation only when the Programmer (who you can call 'God', if you want) deems it necessary/desirable.

>>134737374
Dark eldar? Thanks, but no, thanks.

>>134760547

The walking on a sphere thing works because of the fact that you are walking in a 2 dimensional plane nested in a 3 dimensional space. Also if the universe is expanding to our senses it must also be expanding in the higher dimensional view. And Im not sure Ive ever seen evidence of one side of the universe connecting to the other.

And the whole expanding faster then light thing is fucked because it means we can know how big the universe is because we have a wall we cannot see beyond. For all we know the universe as we know it is only a pocket we are in. And the greater universe could have pockets of expansion and contraction.

>>134725148
The universe is very big and most metal rich stars have planets. Metal rich just means your star has elements other than hydrogen.

>>134726524
Keep in mind that at least one generation of stars has to pass before planets capable of supporting life can form.

>>134725595
30 or 50 years from now, there will be a country who will have acquired 5-10 nukes, and dropped them all in canada.

>>134763407
>can
cannot know how big the universe is

>>134726523
You only need a few billion stars to make it big enough, we have trillions of galaxies. The universe is big enough with only considering our home galaxy.

>>134738391
What the fuck does our shitty education system have to do with this?
Oh I get it, kek.

Doesn't matter, I dropped out from high school anyways. Living the rest of my days as a NEET.

>>134761027
>>134761180

This. Bigger brains come from the need to spot snakes in trees. We got fire because of the brain growth. And fire let us do something besides spend all day eating since it gives us more nutrition in less time. Supposedly chimps have massive intestinal tracks because of the long digestion time.

>>134745242
UMA DELICIA!

If the 'shadow biosphere' theory and the 'multiple genesis' theory are true, then we can pretty much guarantee that the universe is FUCKING LOADED with life.

>>134726524
Our sun is a third generation. Meaning a star went supernova to create the star that went supernova to create our star.

No life existed around first generation stars, earliest possible life was around second generation stars.

>>134725148
Post yfw Humanity is the Apex race that ought to conquer and rule the universe

>>134726631
Roll the dice enough and you will crap out.

>>134761417
>>134761433

We are native to earth we are too well adapted. Plus we can see chimps in us. Earth might have been seeded but it was seeded early in evolution.

I do believe that the massive floods that occurred in the ending of that last ice age washed away alot of evidence of civilization. Either an meteor hit the north pole and melted shit instantly causing massive rains and floods all over the earth or the caps melted slower but did this same effect.

So because of the great wiping we have a weird view of our own history where we think civilization suddenly exploded after the ice age.

>>134764069
space and time are finite
even if every subatomic particle in the universe were a dice rolling itself a million times per second none of them would ever roll a state where you are not a fag

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What we call 'the world' is an infinitely small frequency band. It is not solid as most people think it is, because the atoms that compose 'the world' are made of empty space. Furthermore, 'the world' as we know it does not even exist 'out there' - it exists only 'in here' and is projected by us only when we tune in to it. Even if life does not exist in our universe beyond Earth (which is almost definitely false), life definitely exists in other frequency bands. What we call 'the world' is like a computer simulation, which means that it is illusory and therefore malleable. What we call 'ghosts' are beings that are so close to our frequency band that they can 'bleed' through like a form of broadcasting interference. A radio accurately tuned to a radio station frequency will produce a clear, sharp reception with no interference, but when the dial is slightly off-centre, another station or stations can be heard alongside the main one. What we call 'ghosts' are based on the same basic principle and reptilians (for example) are basically beings that we could think of as 'ghosts' in that they inhabit a frequency band that vibrates very closely to the one we inhabit. To us, a 'ghost' would not look solid - but to that 'ghost', we are the ones who would not look solid. There are an infinite number of frequency bands and they all share the same space usually without interfering with each other.

>>134762630

If we can expand we could start populated a massive number of planets. And it should occur on at least one of them.

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>>134764254

>We are native to earth we are too well adapted.

Wrong. We're actually not well-adapted to life on Earth at all. There's a book by Ellis Silver called 'Humans Are Not From Earth: A Scientific Evaluation Of The Evidence'. He says (among other things) that sunburn, our relatively high chance of experiencing back pain and pain during labour are types of evidence that Earth is not an optimal environment for human beings and that we come from elsewhere.
My theory regarding the origin of the human species is that the human species comes from elsewhere in the Milky Way galaxy and, at some point in the distant past, our earliest ancestors colonised vast swathes of the Milky Way galaxy (and are possibly still doing so) and both Mars and Earth were colonised by them along the way. There are pyramidal structures and a Sphinx-like object in various NASA photos of Mars. I also think that a fiercely destructive interplanetary war caused the destruction of a planet that used to exist between Mars and Jupiter, leaving only the asteroid belt that we know today. This war also sterilised Mars, turning what was once a lush, verdant, Earth-like planet into a cold, lifeless desert.

>>134725148
We undoubtedly are.

>>134763730
>big enough
Even if it was infinite and incredibly varied there could still be only one place with intelligent life. Even if the universe is crawling with microbial life that we came from there is no evidence to suggest that intelligence is some inevitable result of evolution. The data shows no signs of intelligence out there or reasons for there to even be any so until contradictory data comes in we are alone.

>>134764470
so we wuz haloz and sheit?

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>>134764305

What we call 'reality' is illusory and therefore malleable. Nothing is impossible in a universe that is illusory to begin with. There are two 'realities' going on side by side in this world, the one that the masses think is 'real' (what I call 'Movie Screen Earth') because (((certain people))) tell them it's 'real' and the one that is actually 'real'. The one that is actually 'real' is SO UNBELIEVABLY DIFFERENT to the one that the masses think is 'real' that it would make your head spin. The sky is not blue, nothing is solid because atoms are made of empty space, everything is always moving (including the ground that you walk on) and nothing ever touches anything because an atom can never touch any other atom due to electrical forces repelling them. Your feet never touch the ground. Also, the picture I've just posted is NOT yellow - it's red and green. If (((they))) have tricked you into thinking that red and green is yellow, think of the other ways that (((they))) have tricked you. Your brain and your senses deceive you. Nothing is EVER as it seems and appearances are ALWAYS deceptive!

>>134725148

All these people arguing about the statistical probability of finding life on other planets remind me of the arguments by religious philosophers in the 12-15th centuries on the codification of the hierarchy of angels.

Seriously, the people arguing against the probability of intelligent life in the known universe assume that wiith the 200 billion galaxies, not planets, GALAXIES, in the known universe, and with using the Milky Way as our standard, there is est 100 billion planets, or 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (20 sextillion planets), there is no other intelligent life. And this is most likely the short end, hyper conservative estimation.

Now, we know that intelligent life is present on at least one planet (earth), and we have searched (NASA, at least) 1,000 planets (as of April 2011) and eight are likely to have conditions similar to life on earth, as of yet unverified. Now this is just earth like. There could be other life forms we do not even know about or arise in a way we don't know. They could be Silicon based instead of carbon based, for example.

Currently, with the amount of planets we have searched and the current amount of planets left to search, it is far more likely there is life out there, that that life is intelligent, and more often than not more intelligent than our own. I think the greatest redpill the scientific community has to reach is that the reason intelligent life hasn't contacted us is that
1.) finding life on planets isn't special or unique
2.) There are intelligences far greater and unique than our own.
3.) Earth, in universe standards of intelligent life, is probably riding the short bus to the local septic tank.

I get it, it sucks to learn that you, among the height of your species in terms of intelligence, are probably as sharp as wet noodle (and that is being generous) to actual intelligent life out in the universe.

Take your slice of humble pie and eat it with the rest of us.

We are in a glactic cold war as we speak, why do you think that theirs been such a uptick in space related missions and projects.

Project starshot- intelstelar probe being sent to Alpha Centauri

James webb infared space telescope- First mission after luanch looking at Tabbys star, a stat that is getting exponentially dimmer. One of thr explanations is a dyson sphere.

Congress just told nasa to focus on nuclear based propulsion sytems which should double are travelling range. As well as developing a roadmap for intesteller travel.

Also last year some english scientist noticed light pulses in a section of the night sky, the pulses were between stars, the central star in the communication line was Tabbys star.

All of this is vetified and accepted science.

>>134725148
our solar system is an anomaly. our sun is supposed to have two siblings that dont actually exist or haven't been found yet. Scientist stipulate that its because of these missing siblings are the reason life formed on earth. The one sun system was just cool enough for earth to not stay a flaming ball of rock

(fun fact. Jupiter has almost enough hydrogen to become a brown dwarf
this same gass giant. is the same planet scientists stipulate could be the suns long lost sibling)

>>134764470
>sunburn, our relatively high chance of experiencing back pain and pain during labour are types of evidence that Earth is not an optimal environment for human beings and that we come from elsewhere.

I dont see this as poor adaption. It depends on your perspective. Humans last long enough to have children and oversee their children having children. So knowledge can be passed on. After that we become more work then we are worth. As in living longer is less helpful for the effort to keep repairing ourselves. At that point its beneficial for the species for us to die off that way we can continually reproduce and benefit from evolution. Our skin can repair itself from sunburn and in the past it would have protected by hair anyways. Only when we came down from the trees and evolved to have better stamina then other animals did it become exposed.

Sunburn might also be a benefit because it taught us to keep to the shade and not out in the dangerous open. Also helps us conserve resources by not sweating all day in full sun.

>>134753453
Kys kike

I'm guessing not, because there's more than likely a planet out there that didn't have several mass extinctions so the planet evolved better.

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I think that all planets are hollow (including Earth). The 'hollow planets' model means that there are TWICE as many planets for us to explore, conquer and colonise, because each planet has TWO surfaces to live on - an outer surface AND an inner surface!

>>134756712
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
possible explanation for a god.

>>134725981
impossible=/=implausible

all the shit that took place that eventually gave rise to humans, rare earth theory seems to take play, and the universe is quite young. i wouldn't doubt it.

We are the only intelligent species and maybe the only life in the universe.

https://youtu.be/ZlgyxQJHHcY

>>134765013

I unironically think that when we look for life on other planets that we're looking for life in the wrong place by looking only at the outer surfaces of those planets. I think of a planet as being like a house and houses are meant to be lived on the inside. We're living on the roof of our house and are at the mercy of the elements. It's probably rare as fuck for life to exist on the outer surfaces of planets. Alternatively, we can think of the inner surface of a planet as being like the 'womb' of that planet (which keeps us safe from things like asteroids and cosmic radiation), and that when a sapient species living on the inner surface of a planet becomes able to leave that planet, that species has become a spacefaring civilisation. Also, Valiant Thor (also known as 'Val Thor' for short) claimed that he came from Venus, but that he lived UNDERGROUND on Venus. That to me suggests that Venus (like every other planet, including Earth itself) is hollow. Also, Phil Schneider also said that the Val Thor story was true and (((they))) fucking killed Phil Schneider.

>>134725148
Given the distances involved humanity wI'll likely fragment as a species once we colonies different worlds. Differences in gravity, eadiation, and othe environmental effects will result in the need for adaptation and genetic selection and modifucation. Over time the species of people living on Mars will become vastly different than those who live in space stations, ships, or a moon of juputer.

>>134764007
There can be infinite earth like planets teeming with life and still only one with intelligent life. You assume everything, there is no real content to these statistical claims and actual measurements don't fit them as the fermi paradox notes.

>>134725981
It is not statistics impossible, only extreamly unlikely. Also some species has to be first.

>>134764470
Except that's completely stupid. If colonized earth, why do we share genetic material with the even the oldest life on the planet? As to Mars, it became lifeless a pure effect of not having a magnetosphere coupled with low mass. Hydrogen and oxygen split into their respective elemental states due to high energy particles from the solar wind, and essentially just evaporated or were carried away by the solar wind due to the low gravity of Mars.

>>134726523
The universe is infinitely expanding so it's the best next thing

>>134765329

>There can be infinite earth like planets teeming with life and still only one with intelligent life.

That depends on how you define 'intelligent'. Dolphins (for example) have bigger brains than humans and I think that they are intelligent, even though they haven't built skyscrapers like we have.

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>>134764854
>Tabbys star
>dyson sphere

You do realize that if that were the case, then it happened 1,280 years ago, right?

>>134764705
It's absolutely amazing, how truly small we are.
Then you have lab experiments such as this:
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/19/7780.full

That show that evolution can happen at the molecular scale.

Fucking perfect time to be alive, friends.

>>134765441

>If colonized earth, why do we share genetic material with the even the oldest life on the planet?

Because that genetic material might itself not be native to Earth. It could have arrived on Earth via a comet or other celestial objects like the panspermia theory claims.

>>134763271
We could all be in simulated realities orbiting a black hole just before heat death.

>>134765797
>You do realize that if that were the case, then it happened 1,280 years ago, right?
yes, so think about possibilities...

>>134765649
>That depends on how you define 'intelligent'
Not really, the statement is valid however you define it. There can be infinite earth like planets full of life but nothing with close to the mental capabilities of a dolphin/mouse/lizard/flatworm except here.

>>134764470
Kek. None of that would explain why we have the evolutionary marks and traits we all share with the very first of mammals. Your theory is just cherrypicking.

>>134725357
fpbp

I wish our brain didn't evolve beyond basic needs and instincts like animals. Ah yes, a carefree life.

>>134765816

It's possible. In any case, if extraterrestrial forms of life are only coded into a simulated universe when the Programmer deems it necessary/desirable, that would preserve processing power. I am assuming that the Programmer does not have infinite processing power. Maybe the Programmer does, though.

Dark Forest theory is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Some people ignore it because it's not a pleasant answer but that doesn't invalidate it.

>>134765894
Even without ftl the second you have a dyson sphere you can send out seed ships. We wouldn't only see one dyson sphere.

>>134765894
Another explanation is:
F-type main-sequence stars' life cycle shows that the next stages are red giant -> white dwarf, and a red giant is considerably dimmer than the yellow-white f-type main sequence.

>>134766121

Can I get a quick rundown on the Dark Forest theory?

>>134725357
>the entire universe in our grasp, able to freely explore and live within any area of it
>alone

>>134765797

I know, right? And that's just among the evolutionary tree that we know of. There could be a whole goddamn forest out there for all we know, with paths that in our wildest dreams we wouldn't consider probable.

Shit, some being could be trying to contact us with high pitched sound waves but we wouldn't be able to hear it. nor our sensors attuned enough to fucking understand it.

>>134765816
Heat death never happened, our descendants converted the basic building blocks of the material world into sustainable computing power and simulated the material world inside it. Simulating and experimenting with the age when humans first started to conquer space is most popular, the results are always interesting.

If we're really alone then the stars are our birthright.

If we're not alone then the stars are our birthright anyway.

Fuck Xenos.

As far as we know we're the only species to grasp our environment and change it to our will.

People bitch and moan about destroying Earth but we need to leave, it's passed being our harbour and now it's just holding us back.

The stars are our birthright, we just need to reach out and take it.

>>134726881
>Yfw our planet is right at the top end of what is considered livable gravity
>This means we are likely to be among the strongest of the alien races
>Yfw we are the wookies

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the universe is 14 billion years old,
the earth is 3.5 billion years old,
humans are around for like 20.000 years
humans invented most of the important technology only in the last 300 years...

the universe is fucking huge, it took us 10 years to reach Pluto.
how long do you think, will it take to get to the next solar system?

if there are highly advanced aliens, and they noticed, there is 'intelligent' life on earth...
I'm pretty sure, by the time they get here, all they will find are some ancient ruins of our civilisation, because there will be no humans anymore...

>>134765417
>begging the question
why should any species be first?
the idea that life and intelligent life at that is just an inevitable accident cannot be deduced from scientific evidence but only from a priori assumptions

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>>134725148
Then there will be no hinderances for my space corporation

>>134762244
>06:50:53
As I understand it a time space conversion is feasible when you have sufficient cycles to create nested virtual environments which can facilitate knowledge creation to get you off, the material biological plane.
This is where we learn what we are, why we are here and where we are going.

>>134766401

I completely agree with you. Our cosmic birthright is to expand out into the universe. Just because we were born on Earth does not necessarily mean that we are meant to die on Earth.

>>134766271
Every day, there are new discoveries made.
Mathematicians proved that time travel is possible (provided you use exotic matter, which we have no idea what that actually is yet) a few months back.
Where will we be in 10 years? 20? 50? 100?
I can't imagine a better time to be alive, at the pinnacle of greatly extended life spans (CRISPR gene therapies), space travel (the privatization of space agencies), neuroscience (implantable brain meshes to do noninvasive therapies, passive ECG, and more), technology (look where computers have gone in the last 50 years), and on and on and on.
Really brings to mind Clarke's third law.

>>134725148
Hey, somebody needed to be first, and the universe is still pretty young. For example, our sun is likely a second generation star.
Statistically it is unlikely we were the first, but of course not impossible.

>>134766242
Q: Where is all of the intelligent life?
A: Hiding. Revealing yourself to the universe makes your civilization into a target. Remember that it only takes one malevolent civilization to make open communication with the universe at large a suicidal endeavor.

>>134766242
Basically 2 space civilisations can never be sure if the other one is friendly. Lets say Civ 1 finds Civ 2. Because instant communication isnt possible due to mindblowingly huge distances, these 2 civilisations can never communicate diplomatically. Civ 1 can suspect that Civ 2 is preparing for war, therefore they should attack first to protect themselves. Civ 2 can suspect Civ 1 is preparing for war and therefore they should attack first to protect themselves. Its a chain of suspicion. If both civilisations ignore each other, one of them might achieve technological leap and attack the other one later on with superior tech. The most logical option is to always strike first and always strike where it hurts the most, for the sake of your own preservation.

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>>134764302

>>134766597
Sources for what I've said:

Time travel
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/aa6549/meta#cqgaa6549s2

CRISPR
https://bioviva-science.com/blog/2017/3/2/first-gene-therapy-successful-against-human-aging

Space Travel
SpaceX (Let's not talk about how much of a welfare whore Elon Musk is, but you get the idea. It's a great start I guess)

Brain Mesh
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207848-injectable-neuro-mesh-covers-the-brain-can-control-individual-neurons

>>134766675

Thanks for the explanation. In any case, I think that if any extraterrestrial species was truly intelligent, it would not be malevolent (or at least not openly/violently malevolent). For example, an extraterrestrial species might want to trade with us because Earth has things that they want which they can't find anywhere else. Or maybe they want to learn about us simply for the sake of gaining knowledge.
Or maybe they're playing some type of galaxy-wide virtual reality game and they want us to join the game. I don't know. But there are reasons why being malevolent to us would not be in their best interests.

>>134766757

Thanks for the explanation. See >>134767254

>>134725148
>Be first intelligent life in the universe
>Develop technology to explore the stars
>Instead, die in the squalid dirt of this planet because of jews' insatiable greed and desire to lord over a dysgenic cesspool of deracinated goyim

If there's a creator watching over what he set in motion, his rating for this universe is a cosmic "WTF"

>>134766757
Unless you discover you are not biological and can run on other substrates, and are not those substrates either.
Check your omnipotence.

>>134766917
>Time travel
>http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/aa6549/meta#cqgaa6549s2
anywhere to get the actual paper?

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>>134762277
>He hasn't taken the pink pill

>>134766097
God bless this nut

>>134768013

Thanks.

>>134725655
manifest destiny part 2 electric boogaloo

>>134753453
if that were really true, then no one would've been able to get to space at all

>>134767564
Unfortunately they published to IOP, but I'll see if I can find a clone. I thought it'd be on arXive, but Iw as wrong. One sec.

>>134767564
>>134768857
Here we go, I was right about arXive:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.7985.pdf

It's too bad this thread is about to die, it was pretty good.
See you next time /pol/