>Single payer Why don't liberals just call it what it

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>>134718492
They don't even want just state controlled healthcare, they want FEDERAL state controlled healthcare. They've had decades upon decades to set up public healthcare in the states that vote for them, yet they never do.

>>134718492
>>134721236
I've lived under federal, socialist healthcare. It was pretty cool. Our military is exactly that.

>>134718492
There's literally nothing wrong with single payer healthcare
> Muh socialism

>>134718492
I want single-payer too. These are cuck GOP talking points and you should probably go choke on beaner cock Ryan intern.

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>I want the freedom to have a for-profit corporation tell me I'm not worth keeping alive even though I've paid into their insurance and then be legally unable to do anything because of fine print in the 250 pages of legal documents they had me sign my rights away in
>This is the superior way to live my life because it is Freedom unlike having my healthcare provided through the Government via my taxes with them having the power to negotiate cheaper costs and being answerable to the public at large instead of to a board of shareholders who only look at this quarter's profit margins

>>134718492
Well they're in luck. The GOP/state is now going to control thier healthcare.
That's government healthcare.

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>>134718492
why aren't the kikes content with controlling 95% of everything? why must they have 100% control?

>>134722203
>>134721801
>>134721961
Found the statists. Literally and unironically kill yourselves.

>>134722432
OY VEY GOYIM DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE 5% MILLION WHAT ARE YOU A HITLER

>>134718492
We got four trillion to fight wars for Israel then who gives a fuck. Do it. If we could close off borders I'm for it. Although I'm sure it was somewhat planned to get us to this point, American healthcare costs are a joke and we're not getting real reform until after collapse so bring it on.

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>>134718492
The year is 2022, President Al Gore wins a narrow victory over incumbent Trump. Trump retires gracefully to Mar A Lago to play golf in peace. CNN shutters its doors for the last time after its caught faking the suicide of Eddie Veder. Gore upholds promise not to pardon Hillary Clinton and JP, restores internet Nuetrality and ammends the constitution to protect the interney ad a human right. The rise of classical liberals ensures far left progressives never come into power again as college admission requires 4.0 gpa to even be considered for scholarship or state sponsorship. DMC finally comes through on single payer plan as americans who turn 18 can choose to go on medicaid or choose to enter the private market with obamacare, far righters shit themselves at the catch 22 but its ok because socialized medicine covers their colon transplant surgery.

>>134724454
keep dreaming

>>134718492
what you call it is largely irrelevant.

>>134718492
>universal healthcare = socialism
holy fuck you are stupid

>>134724454
>choose to go on medicaid or choose to enter the private market with obamacare
Is this bait?

>single payer
What is the mess known as TriCare for $800, Alex?

>>134722203
>and being answerable to the public at large

Lol.

>>134718492
Never had a problem with healthcare here. Although since the USA is much larger it wouldn't work as efficiently there. I'd assume people see it working decently well here in leafland and assume it would apply to the massive United States.

>>134725124
A fucking leaf.

>>134718492

There is one good thing about single payer and that is that when you have an entire country's populace under 1 "insurance" system, their bargaining power for the price of drugs is huge. That's why we pay 3-5x as much for the same medications in other countries, because they have single payer systems and negotiate deals with the drug companies. Private insurers don't do that. Thanks to big pharma lobbying, medicaid and medicare don't negotiate either, only the VA and Tricare negotiate.

>>134721558

Tricare was the best healthcare I ever had. nothing ever got declined and billed back to me, and they covered dental and eye care. Blue Cross blue shield doesn't get your ass in a dentists chair and even my job doesn't offer dental, I'd have to pay for that out of pocket.

>>134727511
There is a reason why the drugs are priced so high while the variable cost of making one is so low. It's because the fixed cost or cost of research and development are so high. If drug prices are forced to stay below what producers want, then there is no incentive to develop new drugs. Much of the profits made by pharmaceutical goes to research and development so new and better drugs can be created.

>Ninety five percent of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States. They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.

>>134725217

>Tricare
>bad

what are you talking about? Anything you needed done got fucking taken care of, your teeth, your eyes, private insurance neglect those most the time, your medications were free no copay, you had regular preventative care physicals and labs, sick call any morning you needed it, and you never saw a bill.

>>134727989
This, the costs necessary for R&D are extremely high
The medical market is extremely perilous to invest in and so only someone who can diversify and win big can be a contributor

If you try to federalize drug R&D you take on a lot of risk that the government isn't well-equipped to mitigate

>>134727989

when Humira and Enbrel generate $5 billion dollars a year in PROFIT I can't feel sorry for the poor pharmeceutical companies at all, sorry, you're overpricing your shit and you fucking know it

I would have nothing against single payer if we did not have so many illegals and lazy niggers taking advantage.

>>134728293
It's also good when they are indemnified from damage.

>>134721558
>It was pretty cool
Yeah, because you didn't have to pay for it. You want the federal government to pay for the medical costs of every American? OK, who's going to pay for it? I'm listening.

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>>134718492
I would rather pay a useless middleman billions of dollars, call it "insurance" so he can buy yachts.

THIS IS AMERICA!

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>>134718492
Here's the other genius idea with our healthcare system: We get our insurance through out place of work.

What is the first fucking thing you CAN'T do when you are sick? You can't work.

And don't give me your "I had the flu and kept working, huur" bullshit. I mean you break both your arms in a car accident that wasn't your fault, or you get fucking cancer.

Health insurance is paying a middleman for no fucking reason. It's just another game in the big Jewish casino.

>>134718492
could single payer for poor and middle class who want it, and private for whoever doesnt want it, work?

Or is the whole controversy, lots of >50 percentile taxes are needed to pay healthcare for those who would want to and opt into single payer?

>>134730287
If we all pay half of what we do now, we could have the best healthcare system in the world.

Right now, most of our money goes to Jewish cocaine dungeons with gold leafed walls.

>>134722493
>i have no arguments to counter this so instead i'll tell them to kill themselves like the child i am while spouting buzzwords, that'll get em

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>>134718492
Single payer per state is the way to go.

>>134730287
>could single payer for poor and middle class who want it, and private for whoever doesnt want it, work?
Yes. All they have to do is delete "over 65" from the Medicare statute.

>>134730287
no because the unhealthy poor fucks will swarm the single payer and ruin it

>>134718492
>They want socialism.
That's fucking retarded. Socialism is when the state owns the entire economy. Healthcare should be a part of the commons because it is ethical and moral to do so. It also costs less.

>>134731478
Make a new separate special group for over 65. The healthcare industry itself can take care of over 65 year olds, they can charge them a discounted price because they will be such a guaranteed steady customer, andor every single tax dollar from 'the healthcare industry' should go into a fund for +65.

>>134729721
The tax payers
>>134731423
This would only work for wealthy states. Mississippi and others like it would be fucked and worse than before

>>134718492
Healthcare is not profitable unless people are chronically sick.
Doctors and medical staff should be salaried state employees.
The medical branch of the government should recruit new doctors and offer to pay for degrees.

I've been to so many scam clinics and chains of scam hospitals that I'm thoroughly convinced that the conflict of interest between profit and service in healthcare has long been lost to the patient's disadvantage. Providers truly do not care about their patients beyond what they can pay.

>>134731668
Private health insurers would never agree to that because they'd lose their ass. If we allowed people to buy into Medicare, it would help to save the program.

>>134731798
>Doctors and medical staff should be salaried state employees.
They can be private, but there should be Medicare for All.

>The medical branch of the government should recruit new doctors and offer to pay for degrees.
That would be nice, especially since doctors start out with a lot of debt.

>>134718492
If we didn't have tax leeches (niggers and spics) we could probably do single payer. Of course, if we didn't have niggers and spics, non-state healthcare would also work far better than it does now.

Health care is not a solvable problem until we get rid of spics and niggers, it's just a fact. Anything we do is going to suck with them around.

>>134731546
well there can be limits, or certain things,
Like there are cases when a person may have a $100,000 or more hospital bill, and cases with a person having $1,000, maybe some $1,000,000, what should be done with these people?

>>134732052
The French usually split it 80/20 unless it's a serious disease like cancer. They get supplements from work to pay for the other 20%.

>>134731842
I guess its too late, but maybe things could have been different if private health insurance never started to begin with, as of now there is so much infrastructure and ownership involved, but would it have been a lot easier if from the start there was only 1 public health insurance agency? (it could even have/have had tiers of quality depending on tax bracket)

>>134732394
You can blame the conservative Democrats and Republicans for that. If the New Deal Coalition was more liberal, we would have had national health insurance in the late 1940s.

>>134732226
and then theres the problem that comes up, which may be a problem now too: a government with a pool of money: Hey health care people, how much do we owe you for that job? (the government pays for all healthcare at this point, so there is no free market prices to look at?) $1,000,000

>>134732591
The healthcare people have no leverage in the matter. They'd have to take what the government sets for them.

>>134732539
and think of how much private health insurance money would not have been made. Like a fools gold rush that potentially could have not happened.

Though there would still be all those insurance employees maybe... but just a lot less maybe, and instead of private ceos getting mil pay checks, we the people would pay the head manager less

>>134732737
thats where some controversy comes in with doctors making a union and going on strike or threatening to move to canada, or having their own private practice, and then what, the government kicks down their door? well yeah, they just have contract negotiations

>>134732746
>Though there would still be all those insurance employees maybe... but just a lot less maybe, and instead of private ceos getting mil pay checks, we the people would pay the head manager less
There would still be a few to provide supplemental insurance unless we made it exceedingly generous.

>thats where some controversy comes in with doctors making a union and going on strike or threatening to move to canada, or having their own private practice
They could do that. Private practices are not all that common in Europe, but they are there.

>>134718492
If people took better care of their bodies we wouldn't even need such a bloated healthcare industry.

>>134718492
>muh socialism
it was more persuasive when you fags could pretend you had some alternative

Face it, free-market healthcare has failed everywhere it's been tried.

>>134731783
>The tax payers
how?
honest question. i want this to work

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>>134718492
>SOCIALYISM!!!111
>drives on roads
>has a military
>has social security

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>>134718492
Liberals always lie. They know people don't want what they are selling. So they have to trick people.

>>134718492
Go home Putin, your're drunk.

>>134733212
Damn, you're stupid, it's the vaccines. Everyone knows it's the damned government mandated vaccines!

>>134718492
>How is state controlled healthcare socialism?
>Do you even know the definition of socialism?
>Or are you just repeating cold war propaganda republicans pushed to make anything beneficial for the lower classes as socialist?

>>134718492
Like the kikes have down by the fiat banks and the $300 saltwater bag car insurance land called a "hospital"

>>134718492

Isn't medicare socialism already?

>>134734039
It was ayn rand's favorite. She even put it on her sketti

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>>134733279

For the same reason all other tax funded programs work you fucking mong

>>134722203
>via my taxes
ELLE

>the state
>negotiating cheaper costs
OH

>answerable to the public at large
ELLE

>>134733942
>not understanding that socialism is literally state control of a particular service
>water systems are socialized
>road systems are socialized
>police/ems/firefighters are socialized

single payer is literally socialism

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>all this support for single payer on /pol/

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Seriously, did we all just forget the first rule for radicals?

>>134734515
>socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Nope not socialism since the community as a whole do not control it.

>>134718492
single payer isn't socialism when there is no product
>seize the means of production
we're talking fucking healthcare here, not retard widgets like you read about in skuul
insurance: NOT NEEDED AT ALL
why is insurance even part of this discussion?
for-profit greedy fucks with a slimy hand on your throat is what you are arguing for
pharma doesn't need to be run for profit at all
neither does any part of the healthcare sector

there should be no profit-seeking in healthcare at any level, at any step in providing healthcare or meds or beds
>rubs hands over gouging sick and dying children and old ppl
just FUCKING DIE YOU SICK FUCK

>>134734658
Half these retards are on Medicaid.

>>134734305
nice

>>134734922
Release cancer cure? Now why would I do that when I make so much money off treatments?
Cure for diabetes. Nope keep buying my blood sugar pills with extra estrogen goys.

>>134718492
>universal healthcare is socialism
Lmao. It's barely even a leftist policy at this point. It's simply how healthcare is done in the world, the most tested and successful healthcare system developed to date. Keep sucking Paul Ryan's cock while he laughs at your pleb ass for buying into the AHCA.

>>134735245
>Release cancer cure? Now why would I do that when I make so much money off treatments?
Doctors manufacture vaccines cheaply all the time. Just look at the worldwide effort to eradicate polio.

And plus, why would the pharma companies worry about $1 shots when they could sell boner pills for more than that?

>>134733697
Most people want "Medicare for all." AHCA is one of the least popular pieces of major legislation in modern history.

>>134730287

My idea is that a public option for routine, preventative care/General Practicioners should exist, with no out of pocket expense for GP visits labs, diagnostic imaging, or medications. Specialty care and surgery would still need to be done through private insurance, but would be for most people much more affordable since most people would only need insurance at that point for emergencies/catastrophic illness requiring hospitalization or injuries requiring surgery.

But your main preventative care, minor infections, and chronic illness management and medications would be taken care of, you'd have the bargaining power to lower the price of drugs substantially which would overall lower the cost of healthcare by a fuckload.

Single payer systems work well for general care and drugs, but what they fail at is surgery and specialist care. But if people are getting regular checkups and labs you can nail a lot of chronic conditions early before they become expensive. Hey, someone's prediabetic, time to get serious on them about their diet and exercise before they need expensive drugs to manage type 2 diabetes and dialysis.

>>134730100
Or worse you develop a chronic debilitating illness or cancer and you have to leave your job and lose your insurance, now you have a preexisting condition and if Obamacare is ever repealed you'll never get coverage again.

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>>134734812

I have very nice private insurance that I pay for. I needed a hernia surgery last summer. I know someone who is poor, welfare mom, she also needed a hernia surgery not too long after I did. I went to a private hospital covered by my insurance and got a minimally-invasive outpatient surgery to take care of it. She had to go to a public hospital and they did it the old, invasive way. I know that I was offered better care because I have private insurance. I don't want to give that up and I'm happy to pay for it.

>>134722432

Avarice before all else, even the fate of nations or the progress of us as a species.

I don't know how much more (((they))) can defile with their grubby hands before it's enough.

>>134727647
Dude Tricare is literal dog shit garbage. The only good thing is when you can get referred out to a private doctor and not have to pay for it. Otherwise it's like the DMV taking care of you.

>>134733589
>>drives on roads
all depend relatively equally on the existence of roads
>>has a military
all depend equally on the existence of military
>>has social security
all relatively get out what they pay in?

>>134736658
>and medications would be taken care of, you'd have the bargaining power to lower the price of drugs substantially which would overall lower the cost of healthcare by a fuckload.
this is what I guess people argue over. What percentage of the population regular requires how many drugs that cost in what price range (now and then, your not gonna lower pill costs infinitely, or as much as you think). What percentage of the population will require how much medicine for what percentage of time the next 30 years?

People say (a group of relatively healthy people, that dont require a lot of medicine/pills/regularly/at all): we dont want our tax money, what would be a huge chunk, paying for everyones medicine, when it could go some place better, or ideally, stay in our pockets.

>>134737483
>this has been a message brought to you by ________

>>134718492
like with the roads and the military?

>>134718492
they will keep lying

does it make a difference? We know they are full communist. It is enough that we know.

>>134718492
>Democrats are still advocating single-payer after the UK's NHS Charlie Gard fiasco.

Welcome Republican Congress Super Majority.

>>134718492
>Why don't liberals just call it what it is?
If they did give accurate titles to the things they supported, no one would support it. "Planning out your parenthood" has a better ring to it than "murdering children".

>>134729721
Why not pay for it from tax revenue? A slightly higher tax rate would be better for the economy than burdening employers with the cost.

WHY EVEN GO THROUGH INSURANCE. WHY NOT DIRECTLY PAY THE DOCTOR.

Jesus Christ, the level of misunderstanding of economics in this thread is making me lose faith in humanity. These kind of people just walk among us day to day? This is scary.

>>134742222
?

>>134742334
all the socialists who think making a system more government-monopolized and communistic would make it work better than before. all these theories they pull out of their ass without even knowing the basic economics such as supply and demand.

>I think the best for health-care to work is X, which is not full socialism but only partly so!
>okay, what are you basing that conclusion on? do you have any evidence or examples to draw from? any theory to back it up?
>...excuse me?

>>134741867
because insurance is a pool of money a group of people regularly toss into to continuously fill the pool incase one of them is an asshole and needs to take from the pool to pay an amount that would be great than the amount they put into the pool over that time.

>>134734658
This, healthcare is a service, you have to pay for that service. It was fine until our government allowed a flood of illegals into the country.
>illegals uninsured
>get sick
>skip out on bill
>price of service increase to make up for skipped bills
>illegals dont care because not paying anyway
>healthcare goes up more
>insurance premiums skyrocket to cover high costs
>hospitals close driving up prices even more
>cycle goes on
>"we need socialized healthcare insurance is too expensive"
Totally ignores the actual problem

>>134742811
>>134741867
>because insurance is a pool of money a group of people regularly toss into to continuously fill the pool incase one of them is an asshole and needs to take from the pool to pay an amount that would be great than the amount they put into the pool over that time.

Over time regardless, an amount of that money most be taken to pay the insurance workers, salesman, and pay for operating costs of their building, computers etc.

Perhaps insurance cost could be cheaper, that pool would stay consistently higher solely considering in relation to potentially not having to take out as much money to cover those costs. Paying for all the infrastructure and electricity of separate buildings and workers, when maybe all the info can be kept on one server or something.

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>>134718492
Imagine handing over your very life and death to the absolute niggers that run governments like Chicago, etc. We have to get in front of this meme while we can.

>>134743534
>Imagine handing over your very life and death
How? instead of paying insurance to an insurance company, the same taxes you pay not, will go to your health insurance. Instead of your health insurance company handing that money to the doctor when you need it, the government will.

>>134745332
>not
*now

>>134718492
you're a moron
single payer is extremely good, it only wouldn't work here because niggers and spics would single handedly collapse the system

I would be ok with socialised health care if we euthanized all the disabled and those with terminal illnesses.

But Insurance companies, doctors and big pharma have colluded to increase prices to the point where it is unfeasible.

>>134745466
we basically need price limits enforced by the gov but the (((health))) lobby will never let that happen, that's why obamacare sucks and why trump care won't be better

>>134718492
I saw a interview a while back, idk where but the guy had schumer on and he said, tell me whats the difference between the democrats and socialists. Schumer said
"oh i dont want to get into the details", the interviewer said something like
"i have been asking democrats this question and they dont ever answer."

>>134722203
There is no point in arguing with the retards who have never had public healthcare and who unironically believes that fixing a broken leg actually costs the hospital tens of thousands of dollars.

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>>134743534
we both know the failure of detroit isn't because of the government, but something much worse

>>134745795
>>134743534
fuck was going to say chicago and detroit
why they failed is however the same reason single payer would fail

>>134718492
Healthcare shouldn't be private. If it's private profits are given the priority, while the health of the patients should be far more important.
There's a couple of things that should be in the hands of the state, even in a capitalistic society, and "public" services such as healthcare is one of them.
"Free market" doesn't work in every sector.
Not saying the state can't fuck it up, but then the state needs a better approach instead of giving it to private parties that will inevitably fuck over even more people.

>>134718492
If only there was a way to determine if a health- related issue was caused by a person's lifestyle choices or just unfortunate happenstance. I don't like the idea of unhealthy behavior being subsidized by the state.

>>134745909
Profits is how R&D and innovations come to be. Competition keeps the prices low.

>>134718492
>Patriot Act
>America First
>Anti Fascists

Branding is everything, especially when it comes to the impressions of idiots.

>>134727989
Blame the FDA and patent law for high drug prices.

>>134745723

It benefits the readers of a thread to have an eloquent defense of a valid stance

>>134746045
everyone types in their name at their local grocery store, or has to type their name anytime they buy anything at a store, including alchol and ciggerettes

>>134733271
>Face it, free-market healthcare has failed everywhere it's been tried.
Wrong. You have no idea how much government intervention exists in healthcare. We have had state managed healthcare for decades, it's only a question of degree. Want to why healthcare prices are so high? Government intervention.

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>>134734305
>tax-funded programs
>working

>>134734804
this.

>>134746088
But profits go into the pockets of the investors when it's privately owned, not into R&D.
A state owned healthcare system can still make money, but then all that money goes back into R&D so in the end they don't make (as much) profit.
Competition keeps prices low in a healthy system, but we've seen time and time again healthcare (with a major influence of big pharma and insurance companies) is not a healthy system at all for citizens (and really, citizens are what all this is all about really, they're the most important). It's full of cartels, extortionist pharma companies and insurance companies that play dirty games with healthcare providers.
People are corrupt pieces of shit, so I'd rather have it in the hands of a single government that we can hold accountable (and which isn't for-profit) than a whole bunch of private firms that we can't do anything about and only care about their own pockets.

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>>134718492
this was the plan all along. they designed Obummer care to fail and be replaced by single payer.

>>134718492
Call it what you will it's the future of politics and healthcare and you know it

>>134718492
State controlled healthcare is pretty fucking neat. At least, it is when tories aren't fucking with it

>>134721558
You are a fucking liar....any veteran knows military doctors are a slight step above witchdoctors...all they do is give motrin

>>134746527
because they are literally drug dealers (at least the drug aspect of it, or they are surgeons (human mechanics..very difficult) instead of growing a budding plant or making crack in the kitchen, they are doing all sorts of other crazy science and testing on animals and stuff to find a novel positive substance-body reaction and then mass produce it, and handsomely continuously pay everyone involved.

>>134722203
>
funny. the first situation is far more likely to happen under socialist healthcare. Google Charlie Gard.

>>134746527
And government is somehow less corrupt how?

>>134741740
>Trusting the govt with more money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPzZQoxiJJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6of6B5nFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5REI-_WJKuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=curRLQfQgbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eRSD9jxzgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gehJjI2CDDw

You give the fucking govt control of your healthcare you give them the keys to control every aspect of your life.....no salt give you a heart attack...no sugar gives you diabetes....no cursing it hurts others feelings....gonna be just like Demolition Man

>>134747313
Well yeah when your government is completely out of control and only working for its own interests you're fucked. So you're fucked either way.

>>134747433
>when healthcare is a privilege so some fat retard with rich parents gets meds to make him a superhuman with diabetes but the hardworking builder who breaks his leg gets a dirty bandage because he can't afford a basic human right

>>134747528
I was less fucked when I wasn't forced to pay for Tyrone's diabetes because he spent all his ebt on grape soda.

>>134747638
Most builders are unionized and have great benefits.

>>134747771
Most, not all.

>>134747834
Every full time job has healthcare offered at the very least.

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>>134718492
the number one reason they want single payer is so they can put republicans on death panels

>>134727989
Except that pharma companies spend nearly twice as much on marketing as they do R&D.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

>wanting universal healthcare is muh socialism

The absolute state of America and their inferior healthcare system.

>>134722493
Do you use the internet?

Congratulations, you're a statist too.

I thank the god every day for privatized healthcare
t. middle-class from shitty ex-socialist country.

>>134746423
Cool.

You gonna go out and maintain our nuclear warheads on your own?
Or our power grid?
Or the dams?

>>134737692
Nigga what? I was on tricare until I was 24 and it was a godsend versus the dog shit I have now. I've just got a bill from an emergency room telling me I owe a little over a thousand for just the doctor, not even for the hospital costs. Private insurance is garbage if you are unable to have top dollar insurance.

>>134748488
>I was 3 when my country stopped being a satelite nation and I'm going to pretend I suffered under the boot of communism!

>>134718492
socialism id the democratic ownership of the means of production
single payer health care is social democracy not socialism

>>134748816
I was 8 though. The public healthcare is still absolute piece of shit that's understaffed and uses 30 year old equipment because every doctor flees west for decent pay.

>>134748435
It's pretty aggravating, yeah.

These fucks are perfectly ok with the government being in charge of the nukes, the power, the bridges, the satellites, the spy guilds, and a bunch of other shit, but healthcare is a step too far!

>>134748988
But that's the fault of socialized medicine and not the fact your country has nothing going for it, right?

>>134728010
>you never saw a bill.
Single payer will increase taxes, nothing is free kid. Watch the nigger / arab population balloon with "free" healthcare.

>>134749051
My coutnry has nothing going for it because of central planning. Yet another facet of socialism.

>>134749112
>muh taxes boogeyman

Do you even earn enough for it to be a concern? Or are you just spouting the talking points your parents drilled into you?

>>134749142
Yet here you are. With a roof and an internet connection.

But that horrible socialism, amirite?

>>134731783
> wouldn't work in poor states
You mean nigger infested states.

>>134731798
>Providers truly do not care about their patients beyond what they pay.

Just wait for the wonderful service you will get when profit is removed and you being in my clinic doesn't matter. I will treat you like garbage and you won't have any options. Enjoy!

>>134749238
That's because we dropped central planning , more than 20 years ago and private businesses were allowed to flourish. If my father didn't work himself to the bone establishing a private company which allowed him to send me to decent private school in Bratislava I would probably be working dead-end job in some village in central Slovakia,

>>134732865
Less people will become doctors if we have single payer as the salaries will be dogshit compared to the insane time investment we took to become doctors. New kids will avoid a profession that costs half a million in loans and government doctor salary pays dick. The solution will be to import more Indian doctors and shitter health outcomes.

>>134749179
What do you know. We give an inch they take a mile and still want more.

Public schools are by far the worse schools to go to.

Flint Michigan, need I say more?

Highways as we know it was developed in the 50's and meant for rapid evacuation out of cities. Now they're so clogged and becoming tolled on top of what we already pay.

Public parks are dirty, nasty, full of homeless and criminals.

Public heath care has been a total disaster and is the only reason why we are even discussing it.

>>134749577
Oh, so you're a spoiled rich kid then, who thinks that us lowly plebs deserve to suffer for not being born to the same status as you.

But please, do tell me more about how I should feel things should be run in my own country.

>>134749855
Get a job loser I ain't paying for your loser life.

>>134735245
Release cancer cure? Now why would I do that when I make so much money off treatments?

Because more people get cancer everyday?

What you want is only the government doing research, I'm sure that's going to be a trainwreck. Remove profit factor and no one outside of the government and a handful of charities will have the money to do research.

Look you fucking leech, if you really want free shit go move to gibsmedat nations and enjoy. Don't fucking ruin this nation even more.

>>134749732
>baiting this hard

So why don't you give up your internet connection, your home, your running water, your electricity and go live out in the woods already?

>>134749238
Kill yourself faggot

>>134734928
>half
more like almost all of them nigga

>>134749880
You don't pay for anything at all, yet try and pretend that you do.

The simplest question to answer is the nukes.

If you honestly believe that the government serves no purpose, then who gets to control our warheads?

Go on, I'll wait.

>>134749855
Ah yes, a spoiled rich kid who grew up partially during socialism and then mvoed into middle-class because his father worked hard when the government stopped confiscating funds and properties.
Americans never cease to amaze me, neither does their entitlement.

>>134749929
How about you come and find me and put your money where your mouth is?

You fucking know-nothing pussy.

>>134750034
>my daddy worked hard
>I get to live the good life
>other people don't deserve it though, cuz socialism is bad, daddy told me so
>You're the entitled one though!

Wew, lad.

>>134733589
All of that shit eats up our budget and is horriblly inefficient. You think the 600 billion a year on the military is spent efficiently and not on bullshit projects? Just wait till the government handles our healthcare, it will be a bloated mess with shit health outcomes.

>>134749003
No tard protection and infrastructure is the sole job of the government.

>>134750136
>other people deserve my money
It's funny when americans talk about others living better than them.

>>134750031
Well I paid for them I should have them.

>>134749926
The internet did not become what it is today because of the government. It's because of private market innovation. Government just sits on it since it's a gold mine.

I built my home, what did the government do besides tax me for doing so?

Well water

Solar panels

>>134750225
>conjecture

And why do I have the feeling you've never served a day of your life in a public institution, let alone the military.

How do you feel about the nukes?

Why the fuck won't a single one of you hardcore freedom loving individuals even ATTEMPT to answer that question?

Why, it's almost as if you've never once thought critically about government, it's role in your life, and how you contribute to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL8WpfG9DOQ

I had a blast with this video lol.

>>134718492
The problem with healthcare is that prices aren't readily obtainable for one hospital to another, due to the way insurance works, there's no incentive for the patient to seek out cheaper care for a similar benefit, and there's always going to be the option of just going to the emergency room and giving false information so you can't be billed.

If you fix those problems, the natural laws of supply and demand will kick in and prices will fall drastically.

>>134749577
Decent private school in Ba? You must be talking elementary school because all private high schools in the city are pure trash. Basically just a place where wealthier people send their shit tier problematic kids to be idiots with other spoiled kids.

Turns out if you have money and have kids with a retarded but beautiful wife, the kids will turn out 30 points behind on the IQ scale.

>>134750379

>the old lady at around 1:47 is right though

>>134749926
Yea we should give full control of everything to the government that will work great. Worked awesome for the commies.

>>134750243
And how does public health not have a direct bearing on our infrastructure?

>>134750304
>private innovation built the internet
>your home doesn't consume public resources

Yeah, you fucking idiots are %100 slaves to the GOP talking points.

The same GOP that sees you as nothing but a commodity too. 2funny2hilarious.

>>134750271
>America will tax Slovakia for it's single payer coverage

If only.

>>134750367
We wouldn't need to have nukes if government wasn't telling us who to hate.

The government sucks at everything period, i dont want to "take a number" if i need a heart operation.

>>134750406
Yeah, my cousin was looking into sending their kid in but most of them really went downhill in last 10 years, I think it's because all the decent teachers left.

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>>134718492
Yes, same as the state's military budget is communism.
Besides it's much cheaper.

>>134750473
You have no problem letting them have full control of the shit you perceive to keep you safe.

It's pretty telling that liberty only counts when it comes to matters of individual health, but if it's anything else, you better be willing to let big bad gub'ment have it's way.

Single payer and UBI are coming one way or another, no matter how much you greedy dumbfucks snarl and gnash your teeth about it.

The best part is you assholes will be the first in line to benefit from it too.

>>134750572
So you have no real answer then.

What a shocker.

Everyone in the world besides burgerica does it.

Deal with it. Trumpflakes.

>>134734922
>single payer isn't socialism when there is no product
>why is insurance even part of this discussion?

nigga...

>>134750525
Its a service. Not protection. Medical proffessionals provide us a service, firefighters, police, military protect us from danger.

>>134750525
There are houses that do not need public utilities at all and said public utilities can be privatized.

>>134750705
I'll take them you cry baby

>>134750662
Yes, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the private sector of a society will exploit people just as readily as your super scurry boogeyman, socialism.

>>134725124
How does it feel waiting 10 years for surgery Mohammed?

Anyone who is NOT for single payer is a complete idiot and needs to be banished from this country.

>>134750729
Yeah, that's totally why cops and firemen do their job for free.

Because it's for the public good, amirite?

You fucking MORON.

>>134750855
Why don't you just go to a country with single payer already?

>>134750665
>it magically costs less when you pay it through taxes

>>134750748
And when those private entities demand more than you can pay, while your neighbors can?What is your plan then?

You just going to meekly bow your head and play along?

Because you're a stern capitalist?

Fucking idiot.

>>134750080
kys white boi gay boi

>>134747316
You're alrady trusting them with your money, and they use it to build roads, pay for public education, military, police, firefighters, natural disasters and so much more. The only reason why your government is so inefficient is because you got only two parties that refuse to cooperate with each other. It has been done in literally every other first world country, and their healthcare is ranked better than yours every single year.

>>134750787
And when you get cancer from messing with them, you'll totally be able to take care of yourself, right?

Good god you're fucking stupid.

>>134750958
Public utilities are monopolies and raise rates whenever they feel like it.

http://mynorthwest.com/677375/seattle-wants-to-raise-your-utility-rates-and-you-cant-do-anything-about-it/

>>134718492
>CORPORATIONS ARE MONOPOLISTIC CAPITALISTIC PIGS THAT ENSLAVE THE WORKING MAN
>WE WANT OUR HEALTHCARE MONOPOLIZED BY SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM

this is what liberals actually believe

>>134750805
Yeah, except the super evil private sector is the only reason we even have semi-decent teachers or doctors with resources who aren't about to retire.

>>134751046
If you're in the military and deal with anything nuclear you already sign away your liability rights. Ask any engineer on a nuclear boat/submarine.

>>134751085
They probably think that the people should control the government, so when the state has the monoploy, the people have it.

>>134751048
>government is why corporations monopolize

Jesus fuck you're a moron.

A moron that doesn't even understand the history of his own nation to boot.

>>134751166
And yet they get socialized medicine.

Did you even stop to think about what you were going to say, or do you just spout shit off like the fuckwit you're presenting yourself to be?

>>134751264
Government controls the utilities, won't allow others to compete, and they control the prices you idiot.

>>134750860
This is what the private sector health industry has done for the world you fucking commie. http://www.pharmainfo.net/meghana/blog/top-10-pharmaceutical-companies-usa

>>134751122
Yup, teachers and doctors that ALL went to private school I'm sure.

>>134751344
If they get cancer they can't blame it on handling nuclear material.

>>134751424
Only the good ones.

Obamacare was always going to fail. It was instituted so that single payer could slide it's way in to save the system. Fucking creepy shit. I do not even mind certain socialist systems, but with progressives it is the fucking long march and they wont stop at a reasonable place. They are religious nuts.

>>134731144
We already have the best outcomes of any system in the world.

>>134751415
>using big pharma as an example

Martin, is that you?

There is a group of people in the US that have no concept of anything that happens outside of work, taking there kids to school, and spending time with family and friends.

They don't talk about politics or anything international. They don't like specific words.

>Communism
>Socialism
>Nazism
>Zionism
>????phobia/phobic (anything)
>Terrorism
>Soviet

And many many more, these words have been ground into them passively through life and when they here them they have chemical changes in the body to make they fearful due to conditioning of not just MSM but of daily life.

>My grandpa faught and died fighting the commies in Vietnam/Korea.

>My friends parents escaped the Nazis.

>Did you like chapter 3 about Soviet Russia?

>MSM said those people are terrorists.

There are 100s of words a majority of American public, as well as other countries, are conditioned too in a certain way. Usually with a bad feeling due to survival instincts.

Calling it Socialism is a death sentence for it, so they make up another term that makes people careless, accepting, and happy.

That is why they don't use that word. I am sure i went overboard with this post.

>>134718492

Just let it fail and have the dems admit to it's true intentions: complete destruction of the healthcare system.

>>134751442
The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

What a proud lil republican shill you must be.

>>134718492
They always relabel what things are

>>134751603
You're asking what I'll do when I get cancer from handling the nukes yet according to the government, their personnel can't get cancer from the nukes.

>>134751424
The good ones did.
The few good ones in public sectors are either stuck here because they can't afford to move out west and or they're about to retire, rest is severely underpaid, undersupplied and overworked. And nothing is done because the politicans from previous era are still in office, just shuffled around and keep pocketing the money.

>der states after your healths hurr!

National Healthcare works, deal with it retards.

How exactly would you care for poor?
You know not everybody can afford healthcare?
If I was in USA I wouldn't support single payer as it is right now, but I hate idiots that think it's bad idea in general.

>>134750892
why dont you go to a country that dosent have single payer ?

>>134737483
Hmm. Reads as if the outcomes are the same. I am failing to see a problem.

>>134751806
We don't have single payer moron

>>134751517
Considering half the world would be dead without them and our innovation due to private sector earnings... Yes... This one company manufactures drugs specifically for the socialist delusion, you should look into it.

>

>>134745909
Not everyone is worth saving.

>I love my nation, I love being American and love Americans
>REEEE DONT TAKE MY MONEY SO PEOPLE WON'T DIE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD HEALTHCARE REEEEEEEEEEE

>>134718492
I do not understand yankistan.


Countries with single payer systems pay LESS for better healthcare. All tax and everything put together the cost for healthcare is lower and the whole nation gets acces to it.

I guess yanks just love getting arsefucked by big pharma.

>>134749179
>implying government control is good

>.Eli Lilly: Headquartered in Indianapolis in the U.S., this is another leading American multinational pharmaceutical company that operates in more than 17 different countries worldwide. Eli Lilly was founded in the year 1876 and products developed and manufactured by this pharmaceutical company are sold in 125 countries. This global multinational companyfocuses on manufacturing innovative drugs for patients worldwide. Eli Lilly is widely known for its polio vaccine, penicillin and insulin. It is also the largest pharmaceutical company in the world in terms of developing and distributing psychiatric medication.

Makes good psychiatric meds for you delusional commies in the us.

>>134751775
We have medicare and medicaid for poor and old fucks already

>>134752137
>better
how do you figure? It's my understanding you have people dying waiting for treatment. Governments don't do 'cheaper and better', they either pay top dollar (because as a font of wealth, they can), or they pinch pennies and funnel to other projects when not funneling to banks and political parties.

>tfw communist Canadian healthcare is better than your superior capitalist healthcare

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

>>134749179
Public Schools are required for advancement of human intellect of the general population.

Public water system? You mean sewage? It allows for a clean habitat.

Public highways are a method to increase the market. If a single company controlled the highways, or multiple companies, it would be a huge financial and corporate mess.

Public Parks, if a company wants to buy land make a park and charge or not charge people, whatever. Parks increase market value of homes around it too, like many other monuments taken care of by the state.

Public healthcare is the death of Capitalism due to financial destruction of the working class. If a child is born with hemophilia and it costs a few hundred thousand to keep the kid alive every year THE REST OF HIS LIFE and the parents can't pay for it. The kid dies. We where not even able to take care of most of these problems 50 years ago. Everyone in the US feels entitled to a transplant of anything. My grandmas 72 year old boyfriend was offered a Kidney transplant through medicaid. Are you fucken serious? The american tax payers are going to pay for a 72 year old to get a new kidney?

The system is complete shit, and democrats are going to make it more shit. I am really fucken sorry, sometimes death is the answer. Life isn't fair. Here is some advice, don't go fucking everything and catch hep or hiv. Don't make risky living decision on the road and in basic life. Don't have a child before you are financially ready for most things. Obviously some issues arn't even fathomable. Our medicaid system, 40% of the cost of it belongs to about 8% of the recipients in very bad situations. We need to reduce population anyway. It's a hard world, and life sucks and it isn't fair. Welcome to reality.

>>134751867
The government is responsible for nearly 70% of healthcare spending.

>>134752472
You can thank us for our drugs.

>>134752422
>It's my understanding you have people dying waiting for treatment

>waiting for treatment

as opposed to people dying because they do not have the money to seek out treatment. So the difference between a chance of getting treatment and a zero chance of getting treatment.

In a private healthcare system, more people are going to use hospitals as their primary care provider, which will increase wait times for emergency rooms, which means you will die waiting.

>>134752570
Continued

If you want to drop drug prices, i agree with you. The cost of drugs is far too high for certain ones and there should be a max price per pill based on the cost of the chemicals used to make it as well as the time, machinery, and a slowing lowering price based off the development costs.

You commie faggots won't take the country i fought for. Fuck you.

>>134752719
People only use ERs as primary care because of how the government and insurance companies have distorted the market.

>>134752683
American drugs are arbitrarily expensive. Canada makes its own drugs / imports from europe and mexico.

You can buy codeine pills for a few bucks over the counter in Canada.

Their laws also make their healthcare more efficient and cost-productive.

>>134718492

Without the 80 million white male American taxpayer (slaves) funding and creating 95% of all new drugs the world would be a much whiter place.

>>134752795
How does a government / insurance distorted market increase the amount of people who use ER rooms as their primary care providers?

>>134752364
Well if you cut unnecessay public spendings and slightly reduced military spending, you could have perfect single payer healthcare.
Private doctor can still exist alongside them though.

>>134752733
Illegals caused it though, drug prices were rising with inflation, enter 20 million illegals that dont pay med bills and on top of that stagnated wages, while inflation was on course.

>>134752828

>You can buy codeine pills for a few bucks over the counter in Canada.

Wow! really???? it's almost like once something is created it can be much cheaper to create it by third parties, wow so progressive.

>>134752422
What? Look up any of the rankings about healthcare qualities.

I have also never heard of people dying waiting to get treated , i have heard of people dying in yankistan cause they could not pay.

I have had quite a few ER visits , never had to wait long, sometimes a minute, sometimes direct treatment. Look up triage.

The reason they can provide cheaper healthcare is that they aproach suppliers with the collective bargaining power of an entire nation. So the companies can't price gouge, well they can, but then their competitors will be the ones supported by insurance.


Theres a youtube channel called healthcare triage, has some good info and explanations even a child could understand

>>134728010
You think the general population can afford the sort of healthcare a fucking soldier will need? TRICARE is massively wasteful and inefficient, and at its worse, lethal, as many veterans on VA waiting lists found out

>>134752828
They copy our patented drugs when the patent is up, we still made them.

>>134753000

>refining opium, something that has been figured out for going on thousands of years, is a proprietary idea / process

In Mexico, you can buy antibiotics over the counter.

Pain and infection - the major ailments doctors treat. Being able to buy such medication over the counter is saving you $100-$300 doctor visit if they don't test your blood and an extra $30-$60+ to deal with the pharma jew, having to pay a pharmacist and their technicians to fill your script. Inefficient system.

>>134753003
Oh, and going to a gp is cheap, so i go when i think i may be getting sick, few minutes in the waiting room, they check me out, get treated or told its nothing.

Ofcourse some people will die, its a fact of life. But none because they are sat in a waiting room.

That could possibly only happen during a major disaster with an incredible influx of new patients.

>>134752986
Doctors make a shit ton of money in this country, rightfully so, there will not be such skilled doctors if the reward isnt there.

>>134750748
And then we get what's happening now, where those privatized utilities lobby the government to make it illegal not to use their service.

>>134753150
Opium, coming from the opium poppy plant, was popular in England as early as 1704. In those early days, opium was usually sold in elixirs such as paregoric, which were marketed as “pain soothers”. In 1804, a German pharmacist discovered how to isolate morphine from opium, which gave rise to the discovery in 1832 of codeine by Pierre Robiquet, a French chemist. The name, “codeine” comes from the Greek word that refers to the head of the poppy plant.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/codeine-history.html


How American. Steal a drug and claim you invented it.

>>134753327
No western country has poor doctors.

>>134753256
Dude otc antibiotics are a bad idea bc if taken to much they are not effective.

>healthcare costs are arbitrary

This is what single payer advocates actually believe

>>134751483
Wut? No we don't. We pay far and away the most and get some of the worst results among first-world nations.

>>134724454
>2022
anon

>>134753399
Tylenol 3 or acetaminophen w/codeine, your welcome desu.

>>134753150
The patented drigs are expensive because of shareholders and the ceo wanting monies like the jews they are.

R&D isn't that big a part of the cost, and my country is a big player in that field too.

>>134753003
people border hop from Canada to America to get quicker care all the fucking time, regardless of the price. I know what triage is, but that shit gets flooded when everybody's bitching of anxiety and back pain. Tell the unwashed masses "come along, we'll provide everything" and don't be surprised when they come and you die off because it would be racist to deny top of the line medical attention to a poor refugee child* who sustained a papercut from escaping his holocaust.

And the collective bargaining power perspective is bullshit, and I have rising tuition costs (which are floated entirely because the gov't hands out loans to fucking everybody) to prove that just because you -can- bargain, doesn't mean you will if you don't have to. It's like choosing between a fancy restaurant and one that's good enough. Chicken is chicken, but because you're eating on a red velvet tablecloth, that chicken costs 40 euros.
>implying competitors can afford to compete with tens of millions of dollars of red tape to navigate imposed by an easily bought off FDA.

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>>134753432
oh man, without me paying my doctor to give me the information on how long to take an antibiotic what am I going to do?

>>134721558
t.never been to the VA

>bloohoohoo, i don't want cheap, effective and guaranteed healthcare BECAUSE SOCIALISM IS EBUL

Seriously, get your retarded head out of your "the cold war is still going on" ass. I was ran over by a car 2 years ago, he just drove away and I was alone, so no plates, never ended up knowing who the guy was. I'm almost done with a 2 year recuperation with multiple doctors, surgeries and a whole slew of medical costs. If I were american i'd be beyond broke, drowning in "co-payments" right now.

I didn't pay a dime. I didn't have to wait for a long time and the quality wasn't subpar. Not wanting this is just putting your "but muh murrica, muh capitalism" ahead of your actual survival. Stop being dumbfucks, this could happen to you aswell.

In the 80s and 90s people were lining up frome jeurope for american treatment.

>>134752137
I think part of his argument is that the most obese ethnic groups in the US and the groups most likely to be drug addicts/alcoholics/smokers are overwhelmingly black americans and mexican americans. So they're causing most of the healthcare costs, along with the elderly (who are already subsidized through medicare). So from a /pol/ point of view, he doesn't want to pay their medical bills.

Personally I don't really care.

>>134753635
Yeah, because using basic chemistry / pharmacology combining two different painkillers to synergize and amplify their pain relief is a real proprietary idea.

>>134722203
t.gender studies student

>>134753825
in the 80s and 90s, American healthcare was still relatively cheap.

The whole reason Obamacare got passed was because healthcare prices were ballooning and it was an attempt to reign them in.

>>134753699
They get sued all the time when they release a drug and some cunt takes too much and accidentally aborts her nog son because her mate left her so cant stop her from being emotional and garbling the whole bottle. Kek

>>134754188
and despite getting sued for millions of dollars all the time, drug companies are multi billion dollar companies, raking in profits.

>>134753747
>people border hop from Canada to America to get quicker care all the fucking time, regardless of the price.

And Americans also travel to other countries for cheaper medical treatments. It's called medical tourism. What's your point?

>>134753936
Listen... Just admit it you got burgered nog.

>>134754304
Stop being jelly and get a stem degree.

>>134754311
Never heard of it sweety.

>>134753747
Dude, if someone there is in danger they will be treated before the papercut. It is those back painers that border hop, cause they will be waiting, not the guy that broke his leg or is in an ambulance.

Idk know why they do not go to a gp or have him called out to the house instead of an ER, don't know the canuck system that well, maybe they are just retarded.


And the bargaining works for other countries, sort out your corruption first then, join the 1st world.

>>134754457
American healthcare is a government-imposed monopoly.

It is illegal to import drugs from foreign countries and thus American drug companies, which have a monopoly on the market, make tons of money.

Take the only manufacturer of the epipen, for example. They can set the price to whatever they want because people die without it.

>>134718492
Single payer, more like tax payer

>>134730287
>>134731144
>>134731546
>>134736658
Australia has a two tier healthcare system and most of the general population do not opt out of the government system because its cheaper and more than adequate.
With a two tier system the government sets healthcare and medication prices and the private system has to produce added value if they want to charge more and still retain customers, instead of just price gouging and rubbing their hands jewishly the way they do in your system.
The end result is that our system is ranked 3rd best in the world and we also spend a bit under half of what you guys spend on healthcare (as a percentage of GDP), despite living on an island where almost everything else is more expensive than America.

You people need to wake up and realize that "socialism" is the only option you have to stop insurance cartels from jewing you to death.

>>134754188
Yankistans retarded sue culture, stop rewarding stupidity pls.

>>134753747
>don't be surprised when they come and you die off because it would be racist to deny top of the line medical attention
Yeah, that's not how it works burger. Obviously you don't know jack shit about how the healthcare system works. I would refrain from talking about shit you don't know, it makes you look like an idiot. Fortunately for you, you're on an "anonymous" board, and you won't be exposed for the retard you truly are.

>>134722203
Cool so Medicare covers everything??? Wow great news maybe my grandmother can get that transplant age yet all!!!

>>134747088
Thank you! It was fucking horrible. They fucked up and just shrugged. You couldn't do shit to those hacks. "Free" is what you get for sure.

>>134754755
In all seriousness it is much more risky to take the first steps on a drug. As opposed to producing a generic. Yes the court system is cucked here ill give that to you.

>>134749188
>taxes now pay for everyone's healthcare instead of 99.99999% of employers just giving it as a benefit

>>134754899
https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/transplants-adults.html

yes she can.

>>134755054

45% = 99.99999%

>American math

http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-firms-offering-coverage/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

>>134731798
>Healthcare is not profitable unless people are chronically sick.
that is nonsense.

>>134754869
Hes actually right. The way burgerland is going id be sent to the bottom of the list because of "muh diversity" in a pinch.

>>134749635
>single payer
>government doctors
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>134755411
Hes 100% correct

>>134755379
That's not how it works. It goes by priority. People who are in worse conditions are usually on the top of the list. Someone who's been on the list for 2 years might be far behind than someone added a day earlier, not because of the person's race, but because of the state of his condition. And the reason why people die while being on those lists, is not because of public healthcare, but because people don't donate.

As for the diversity thing, it once again doesn't work that way. You need a compatible donor to receive a transplant. Most of the time, the genetics of a black man won't match the one of a white man. So even if they wanted to have their stupid diversity, which would be unethical and very very very unlikely, even though you wish it was so you could complain about it, they still wouldn't be able to steal the transplant from a white person because it won't be compatible with the black person.

>>134749635
>pay doctors more with tax money

there. I fixed the whole problem. No need to pay me $200,000 a year to become a senator.

>>134749635
We have a public healthcare here, and every year, it is literally impossible to anyone who doesn't have straight A's to get in. There are usualy around 200 places in an average university, while there are around 1500 applicants. Trust me dipshit, shortage of people who want to become doctors won't be an issue.

>>134718492
go fuck yourself

>>134751602
>"it'll surely fail this time" says increasingly nervous trumpcuck for the 6th time this week

>>134755707
Buddy, you ever heard of something called "affirmative action" in burgerland?

>>134749635
>If you stop the healthcare system from massively price gouging people then kids will stop becoming doctors because they can't afford massively price gouged degrees!!!!!!!

Oy vey indeed.

>>134729721
Just print more money

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>>134718492
Youse are idiots/

You burgers:
>Spend 18+% vs European and Candaians who spend around half that.
>We have private if you want it; You get raped with the highest insurance, medical and drug costs in the entire western 1st world.

The state of your idiocy.
>In B4 death panels.

>>134755824
You leave out the part where a bunch of our doctors move to America to make real money.

>>134729721
You pay 18+ percent as a proportion of your obese GDP already you retard.

>>134755824
Not just doctors, its the innovation in healthcare and last i heard the only places that were doing that are the us and britain... Btw thanks for the bacon leaf.

>>134751602
Next year, insurance companies will start to profit.

Obamacare is going to stabilize next year.

This year, insurance companies are going to break even.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/341249-study-obamacare-market-stabilizing-not-collapsing

“Early results from 2017 suggest the individual market is stabilizing and insurers in this market are regaining profitability,” the study finds. “Insurer financial results show no sign of a market collapse.”

>>134731321
The state of their stubbornness.

Trust the burgers to do the right thing right after they've tried everything else.

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>>134752570
>The american tax payers are going to pay for a 72 year old to get a new kidney?
Damn right we are.

>>134750847
How does it feel never getting that surgery Cletus?

>>134755923
>>134755923
>Buddy, you ever heard of something called "affirmative action" in burgerland?
If you read past the first two line of my comment you would know how fucking retarded you sound.

You cannot give a white man's bone marrow to a black man. It would most likely be genetically incompatible. That is why most of the time, a family relative is the best bet for donors. If you think that somehow affirmative action will magically make someone's liver compatible with a black person you're an idiot.

And as I said, the donor list is not controlled by libshit art students, it is controlled by a board of doctors, who are bound to by their ethics. Your argument is completely retarded, and you don't and won't have any source to back it.

>>134756128
As ive said before illegals ruined the system, our government sold us out, why would i want them in my healthcare?

>>134756295
Wait a sec so statistically colleges will except a nog with no chance of graduating over an asian that will be suma con laude. Thats not my imagination. Why wouldnt they take an "opressed isis fighter" over me in any situation? Are you serious?

>>134755613
Single payer is government run health insurance, which means government insurers, not government doctors. Health care (doctors, hospitals, etc) will remain private.

>>134756383
>people with no money and no power ruined the system
You're a real master of logic.

>>134756076
That is bound to happen, but the majority of them stay in Canada anyways. If the universities did a better job at screening their applicants and also favoring Canadians instead international students who most likely will move back to their home country, we won't have such a big problem about doctors leaving.

And doctors leaving is completely irrelevant, we have a shortage of doctors, not because some of them are leaving. but because we don't produce enough of them. Even if we had all of our doctors stay here, we'd still have a shortage.

The government should work on being able to produce more doctors, and take into account the average amount of doctors who move out, to make sure to have enough medical personnel.

Like I said before, about 1500 applicants a year, only around 200-300 get accepted. Out of the 1500 applicants, I seriously doubt any of them are average. People who don't have straight A's usually don't even bother to apply. If you were to increase the places available, you'd be able to produce more doctors and the exodus of graduates wouldn't matter.

>>134756134
The fuck are you talking about? The largest cancer research center in north america is not in the US but in montreal,canada. Saying that innovation is taking place only in the US is absolute bullshit. And last time I checked, the UK is not exactly private

>>134757059
>largest
is it the best

>>134756861
Millions of people united to steal healthcare from paying citezens ruined the system. Millions of people have power collectively, if you havnt noticed.

>>134752570
>If a child is born with hemophilia and it costs a few hundred thousand to keep the kid alive every year THE REST OF HIS LIFE
On what planet is treating hemophilia this expensive?

>>134718492
OP is a retard. What difference does calling it socialism make? The end result is the same and socialism isn't the dirty word it used to be.

>>134757167
No most definitely not.

>when ciba contributes more to international health than the US

>>134757446
>>134757167
You're right, but of the top 5 in the world, 3 are in Europe.

>>134757167
>A facility has to be the best to be innovative

Might not be the best, but definitely one of the bests in the world. Don't think for a second that innovation is only present in the US.

https://www.intelerad.com/en/case-studies/mcgill-university-health-centre/

>>134757735
Lol

>>134747174
You say that like having private insurance would ever pay up to have the kid flown to another country and undergo experimental procedures.

>>134757834
Oh i dont but making a bunch of money helps alot.

>>134758110
Yes, it would, and in the case of charlie gaurd his parents raised millions, had the money anyway, and the state still denied them. Trump personally offered to take that boy.