if homosexuality is genetic, why do homosexuals still exist?

>>134512243
Because it isn't. It's a mental disorder.

>>134512243
You now realise that throughout history many faggots have reproduced, often due to using marriage as a way to conceal their faggotry.

because homosexuality is a result of childhood trauma
homosexuals reproduce through molestation

It helps bind men together as special friends.

>>134512243
Genetics is complicated. If there is a gay gene, a person could be heterosexual and still pass it on. If a gay man has a few straight brothers, his bloodline persists. That being said I'm not convinced there is a gay gene. I think it more likely sexual orientation is determined psychologically during puberty.

>>134512243
Because it's probably not genetic, it's probably epigenetic

>>134512569

is that when you behavior reprograms your genes?

>>134512243
There are very good theories on this. Genes that make women more sexually productive seek to make men gay. It's not genetic entirely but also bases on hormones.

Homosexual humans actually gave an extremely beneficial boon to the family unit, as raising a human is the most prolonged infancy of almost any animal on earth. The sorta gay uncle effect. More family to raise kids also helped grow our intelligence as it requires the long maturation stage

>>134512492
>>134512558

assuming there is a gene and that both of the above posts are correct, wouldn't the homo population still trend toward zero over millions of years - because the hetero gene (if there is such a thing) will be vastly more dominant

>>134512880
This research is literally the only useful thing to come out of sexual studies (extremely based in biology). It was selected for because the combination lead to large families with great capacity to raise offspring.

>>134512243
B-But Milo said homosexuality is a choice!

>>134512880

>>> ... extremely beneficial boon to the family unit

maybe, but it's totally unnecessary, because the female already exists.

>>134513039
It's not really though. It maybe is if you're bi. To say otherwise would suggest humans have a capacity to be sexually attractive to anything at will. People just end up that way

>>134513028

link to research of gtfo

>>134513027
Exactly, it makes no sense, that's one reason that I believe genetics has nothing to do with it and that one's sexual orientation is psychologically "imprinted" during puberty.

>>134513039
It's almost like Milo talks garbage, or something

>>134513210
How is it a choice for bisexuals?

I don't think anyone chooses what gives him an erection

>>134513144
Yes but shared child care is required for Humans and produces healthy adults who are more intelligent. Look what has happened now that the family unit is destroyed.

>>134513244
Sec I'll give u a vid

>>134512243
>being a sodomite
Hell is for ever!

>>134512243
some of it is genetic mutation which can happen at any time.

some of it is faggots who were forced to hide it and act normal due to environmental pressure.

some arent actually gay at all and just want attention.

>>134513210

> humans have a capacity to be sexually attractive to anything at will.

you can will yourself to be sexually attractive to anything you want. it may take a few years.

>>134513308
I mean to say if you're bi you can fuck either, but still that attraction wasn't chosen

>>134512243
X chromosome gene. Women who have the mutations have more kids on average (1.3x)

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-on-gay-parenting/

http://archive.is/Z4Gu4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/10/new-criticism-of-regnerus-study-on-parenting-study/?utm_term=.dc5cef00d5f8

http://archive.is/SePdG

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

https://thinkprogress.org/conservatives-seize-on-hugely-flawed-study-about-same-sex-parents-bd797734bf40

http://archive.is/aym23

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/26/same-sex-marriage/

http://archive.is/g0kHt

http://www.gallup.com/poll/212702/lgbt-adults-married-sex-spouse.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

http://archive.is/MlP5k

https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-gay-men-in-the-US-are-in-a-long-term-relationship-and-how-does-this-compare-to-the-general-population

https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/8/29/new-scientific-study-sexuality-gender-neither-new-nor-scientific

http://archive.is/mOwUN

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

http://archive.is/y64OH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

https://www.advocate.com/health/2015/10/09/study-dna-identical-twins-can-reveal-whos-gay

http://archive.is/GuptB

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html

http://archive.is/PSmzQ

Google: recessive genes.

>>134513409

what the homo percentage? ~2%? that seems pretty high for a genetic mutation?

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>>134512243

>>134513545
did you read my entire post?

its not JUST a genetic mutation.

also, there are definitely genetic mutations in the 2% range.

>>134513545
Almost 4%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract

http://sci-hub.bz/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x

Plausible theory: Gays have a mutation on the X chromosome that women also get (of course) that makes them more attracted to men than they would be otherwise. In women, this is advantageous, and a study showed women who are relatives of homosexuals have 1.3x the number of kids on average. For men, it is deleterious but women can carry the gene onward so it doesn't disappear. Gay men do sometimes reproduce and surrogacy will only increase that number

https://youtu.be/lZsnPmuYp9c

WSF, title looks like it's SJW gender fluid insanity but it's not , discussion is squarely centred in biology

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>>134512243
>(not trolling, genuinely curious)

Read this. It's time to truly understand memes.

>>134513027
I tend to agree with what this leaf says >>134513251 regarding 'imprinting', but just to play devil's advocate, I suppose it might be possible for the faggot gene to be recessive, similar to the ginger gene, and thus not always display active characteristics/impulses in the carrier.

>>134512243

Why are babies fucked up when their mother drinks alcohol? CLEARLY...

I know plenty of fags that have kids. They did it to make their senpai happy.

you know, you could probably get rid of the *gay gene* if you killed the entire human population of gay people for a few generations consecutively. that's how evolution works btw, it's not just who reproduces, it's also who lives long healthy lives and contrary to popular conception many gay people do.

Some people are born with disabilities despite having no evolutionary benefit. That includes homosexuality.

The biggest difference we see is that liberals don't see it that way and think that it's just as normal/natural as being heterosexual.

>>134512243
>what are recessive genes

>>134512243
It's a genetic defect like having an extra toe. Mental illness with the likelihood of having it is akin to legitimate schizophrenia. In other words, it's not likely. less than if 1%. If you're unlucky enough to have that defect I legitimately pity you. I don't know how they would cure your degeneracy. The only thing that would actually help potentially is therapy, but it's not likely going to help your illness. IDK what we did in more primitive times was to rid them of the gene pool.

>>134512346
fpbp

there is a pretty good theory that's it's a chemical reaction in the womb during pregnancy.

one theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saO_RFWWVVA

>>134512243
Homo sexuality still exists and is genetic, BECAUSE GAYS DID NOT HAVE THE CHOICE TO BE GAY OPENLY. Many had to hide it, even from themselves, and went on to have a family, producing more gay-in-denial offspring. NOW THAT IT IS ACCEPTED, gays will die out in America within a generation or 2. THIS IS THE FINAL REDPILL.

>>134513626
Yes increased fecundity in women, more offspring but chance of a gay male. Positive feedback into the population as the 'gay uncle' effect alleviates child rearing burden in humans drastically. This is why it is selected for

bio switches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjO7x_pvk4

>>134513612
>did you read my entire post?

yeah, i was just referring to the first line (but do agree with all three)

>>134513755
>to eliminate faggotry we must embrace it!

it's just crazy enough to work

>>134513755
That's certainly always a possibility and would be amusing if it turned out to be true.

>>134513027
If there is a gene that is tied to homosexuality, and the trait persists despite the homosexual population trending towards zero, then logically it is most likely a gene tied to other genes and not always expressed. Or it is a possible gene in all of us that is not activated but under certain circumstances or only at a low rate.

We are a social species, so a homosexual who helps care for the health and well-being of his extended family despite having no children of his own still ensures many of his own genes are passed on.

>>134513027
You are assuming there are no survival advantages to homosexuality.

>>134512346
yes and there is absolutely nothing gay about two strong men having sex with each other, dick in anus. it is natural and virile, unlike sex with women which is sex with a weaker creature, faggy and effeminate, darewesay -- gay.

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/mutationsanddisorders/genemutation

> Most disease-causing gene mutations are uncommon in the general population. However, other genetic changes occur more frequently. Genetic alterations that occur in more than 1 percent of the population are called polymorphisms. They are common enough to be considered a normal variation in the DNA

1% is considered very high for a genetic mutation. so 3% of fags is definitely not exclusively due to genetic mutations.

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Children who suffer some from of sexual abuse will more often than not become sexually depraved. During puberty, the hormone levels spike extremely high and can cause psychosis in both sexes.

>>134512880
Yet most people with sense know to keep their kids away from Uncle Fag. Everybody knew this before circa 1995, it was the norm.

>>134512506
THIS, it's not genetic

>>134512243
It's like a pod of seeds from a plant, 30% will be duds, 20% won't be sexually viable etc.

>>134513328
family unit was destroyed by letting women marry the state.

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>>134512243

I'm pretty much convinced that gayness is a result of the damage to the psyche that results from being molested at an early age. If faggots weren't so obnoxious and adamant about flaunting their sick lifestyle I would feel bad for them.

>>134514201
I was not molested.

I think it's hormone based, I really do believe it starts in the womb and has very little to do with genetics or trauma. If a female takes birth control and then goes off it to get pregnant, the remnants of the bc could effect the fetus. There could be many ways the fetus gets exposed... I say birth control because a study just recently came out about girls flushing it and contaminating water supplies which is turning the fish trans https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/fish-becoming-transgender-contraceptive-pill-chemicals-flushed/amp/

>>134513930

name two

>>134514235
Gay people existed before birth control.

>>134514100
This has been posted in this thread a lot.

What about all the fags that were never molested and don't have psychosis?

>>134514269
Not in competition with alpha males for mates so less violence towards you.

Women more likely to give you food, share a bed with you because they don't fear aggression.

>>134514291
maybe its a benign brain damage, like left-handedness

>>134514230

What happened that made you gay then? Tell the truth, you're completely anonymous here.

>>134513413
What have you willed yourself to be sexually attracted to? Weren't attracted to women to start?

>>134512816
Yes.

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>>134514100

reproduction isnt the only way evolution works stupid

>>134514133
That's something related to culture and wasn't always the case

>>134514100
There are multiple rivers to the same sea my dude. Manlets tend to work out to overcompensate but not all bodybuilders are manlets.

>>134512243
As long as their junk works they can have kids.

And human evolution isn't perfect, we still have people born with poor eyesight and genetic diseases which evolution should have weeded out but hasn't yet.

>>134514133
The "norm" is something within the last centuries. This behavior and selection is something deep in past and nothing to do with stuff today

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what are the homo percentages in other animals (fag penguins and shit) compared to humans?

it seems that in other animals the number would be the actual "true" mutation percentage - because they don't have our social/psychological/cultural factors affecting people becoming gay

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>>134512346
>>134512506
>>134513409
>>134514100
this really gets the noggin joggin

>>134513676
Assuming there are no advantages to homosexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

>>134514274
Did you not read the last half of my post?

>>134513755
This would be highly amusing.

>>134514368
I knew I was gay from about age 6 or so. I knew I liked looking at the other boys when we had to change clothes. I didn't like really translate that into that I was gay until I was a teenager. I think it is just a combination of genetics and hormones in the womb but it never felt like I was anything other than gay the whole time since I can remember anything.

>>134514406
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/new-research-further-debunks-regnerus-study-on-gay-parenting/

http://archive.is/Z4Gu4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/10/new-criticism-of-regnerus-study-on-parenting-study/?utm_term=.dc5cef00d5f8

http://archive.is/SePdG

>>134514320

you're right, you said "survival" advantages (meaning for the individual) i misinterpreted as survival for your line/progeny

>>134514406
That's why you don't have homosexual couples exclusively. The nuclear family isn't necessarily the best form, there should be extended family too.

>>134514604
tell me about the first time you sucked a dick, i'm straight and i'm gonna jerk it to it

>>134514657
1/3 of the kids in that study never even lived with their gay parent.

>>134514695
Then you are not straight. He was a swimmer. We had lunch, pizza I think, then he wanted me to fuck him in the back of his Explorer but I was scared so I just sucked him off to see what it would be like. It was normal I guess. After I was done he didn't want to do anything in return so I went home and never saw him again.

>>134514269
Intelligence and access to breeding opportunities. Women throw themselves at us.

>>134512243
Gene on X chromosome makes you like to fuck men a lot.

On women this makes women have lots of children.

On men this makes fags.

However, as women have 2 X chromosomes and men have 1 women are much more likely to have a copy of the Fuck Men gene.

Therefore it could be genetically advantage to have the gene floating around.

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>>134514604

May I ask at what point you knew that you wanted to penetrate a man's butthole? I'm not trying to troll you, that's just what gets me about gayness. Men are gross, but the asshole is the most disgusting part of the body. How could that possibly be appealing? It makes absolutely no sense, everything about it is fucking disgusting.

How did you get to the point of being able to go through with that act bro? I'm actually curious.

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>>134514395

women, then cars. twin exhausts == instaboner!

>>134512243
its a virus, everyone knows that.

>>134514412

you NEVER go full retard ;)

Anon above mentioned mainstream lgbt support actually would have the effect of slowing degeneracy. People say the west is fucked but try going to a country where these things are never spoken of. It's driven underground and it bubbles up in severe degenerate ways. Normal family and support helps people live adjusted lives. Hiding everything just sweeps it under the rug and only solves nothing

>>134512346
I wouldnt say mental disorder as much as a genetic abnormality. An abnormality can persist in x amount of a gen population without disrupting the overall production rate. These abnormalities can continue to be passed on as other genetic traits would be.

>>134512243
If homosexuality was genetic think about it, that would be most self destructive gene of all time. It can't possibly be genetic. Cumming feels good and as long as we've known this as a species, we've probably been thinking of strange and bizzare ways to do it, it so happens that for some people that involves buggering a member of the same sex

Anyway, I'm not gay but I'm glad to see the stigma going away. The whole reason gay culture exists is because of mainstream culture and attitudes towards gays forcing them into adopting a counter culture. It's gay culture that recruits children and adds more and more to the poz train. I hope that once the vast majority of people start treating homosexuality as some mundane thing, the degenerate gay culture will have no more reason to exist and the whole problem will basically solve itself.

>>134514494
>should have
Natural selection is descriptive, not prescriptive. If natural selection has not weeded out poor eyesight, then:
the drawback of poor eyesight is closely tied with a more favorable trait,
the drawback of poor eyesight is not easily selected out by evolution,
or poor eyesight is a favorable trait(this one obviously not likely)

>>134514656
Being gay as a social species means you have more free resources to ensure that your family succeeds. When you have more resources available but still feel a connection to your family, you will likely aid them in times of need.

>>134514789
You are learning from my posts. I like.

>>134514806
Hmm, anal sex was never really the big draw. Being intimate and touch another man's skin and hair was. Kissing sort of, but really the nude contact with another man. I knew I was attracted to other men by age 6 or so in terms of watching men change at the pool more than the other kids.

I was definitely not sober the first time I did anal.

That said, if the bottom showers before sex it really isn't that gross usually.

>>134514755
i'm not really gonna jerk it, i just wanted a dick-suckin' story

they make good anecdotes

>>134514426
Of course not. There's always idiots.

>>134514806
For me it was the other way around as I wanted them to penetrate me. I started trying to seduce my male friends when left alone with them around 8 years old. Girls my age were doing the same thing to me. I was oblivious because I just wanted to play barbies with them.

many straight people also have the gay gene. it's just not signaled by the brain to activate in some people. gene regulation is complex and probably won't be understood until gene editing and its effects on people is researched

Because being a fag and knocking up a girl are not mutually exclusive.

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>>134514953

That was a very candid reply. And no offense but it kind of sounded to me like a woman's description of sex. They aren't so much interested in the getting pounded part (most of the time) as the intimacy.

Wanting intimacy with another man, to me, smacks of some kind of childhood developmental hitch that made you seek out the approval/company of other men.

That being said, this is not a personal attack. We all have our issues. I hope you sort your out and go on to be the man that God intended you to be. I have heard of gays who ditched their gay desires, I'm sure you could do the same if you really wanted to. Good luck.

>>134515176
you mean, i might have a free pass to suck dicks?

it's not my fault, i just have the gay gene i'm not gay ;D

>>134514861
You are so brave.

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>>134515062

This is classic behavior by kids who have been abused. If that is your situation, sorry that you had to go through that. You can heal through counseling though. I knew people who had been molested, it's not an easy burden to carry but it doesn't have to destroy you.

God bless and good luck anon. We can all repent and receive the Kingdom of God, but you have to stop what you are doing.

>>134515218
We are men attracted to men sort of like how women are. I have no desire not to be gay. I only hope I can find a man for marriage and have kids with him via surrogacy or adoption.

I have a great dad and never longed for father figures. I have always simply been attracted to men.

>>134512243
Mental illness, but lets seperate all faggots onto one landmass and dykes onto a different one. After one generation they would die out.

>>134515249
you don't have to want to suck dick to have the gay gene but you have to have the gay gene to want to suck dick.

>>134515176
What's happening below the genetic level we currently understand?

Or do we understand genetics 100% now?

>>134514907
I say it actually exposes gay people to abuse. I have seen video of lil fag me and it was so obvious it hurt. I'm lucky nobody took advantage. I have a family member who was not so lucky.

>>134514953
Do you peeps clean your ass with like a hose?

I mean it like a legit question.

>>134513755
lol

>>134514939
Gay culture won't "go away" until you're cool with performing light homosexual acts on demand. I'm pretty much serious about that because that's the exact road we're on.

>>134515434
we don't fully understand what regulates causing the brain to activate genes

>>134515373

Do you or did you ever believe in God?

>>134515475
I use my fingers with water streaming and some soap. Not soap inside the rectal canal though, I just use water for that but of course wash my hands with soap at the end. Some do use enemas though but I have never tried one.

>assuming gay people can't reproduce
>assuming there is a single gene responsible for sexuality
>assuming there is no random mutation

>assumptions

>>134515218
People want intimacy with the people they are attracted to. In the same way you want intimacy with someone of the opposite sex, homosexual people want intimacy with people of the same sex.

>>134515541
I do believe in God, but more as an extension of humanity than a person who tells me what to do or not to do. A lot of it is wanting to believe in God and not being fully willing to deny the spiritual. That said I don't take books literally.

>>134515359
I have a pretty good recollection of my early childhood. No sex abuse although I likely would have been receptive and protected my abuser if it had happened.

>>134515529
If you do not understand how all children are programmed and brainwashed from day one, I feel sad for you.

I've heard that it has to do with conditions in the womb, which is not necessarily genetic

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>>134515218
At the same time, I feel sad for you that you will never know how blissful it feels. For me, it's much, much more satisfyingly comfortable and perfect than to lay and cuddle with a woman. It just feels so right to be with another man.

>>134515548
Use water enema. That guaranties no smell or accidents if you known what I mean...

I do enjoy anal with girls and have had some accidents. Nothing I really care about though. But they usually feel highly uncomfortable when it happens.

>>134515644
But we have twin studies showing that identical twins are more likely to be gay than unrelated siblings so it is likely a mix of genes and womb environment.

>>134515475
Something like that. You want a taste?

>>134515526
Sounds like wishful thinking.

>>134515709
No but I know ladyboys or traps as they are called here clean there pipe that way.

>>134515627
if you don't understand how science works then suck my dick

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>>134515655

I dunno man. Aren't you scared? Every religion that means anything says being gay is a bad thing, and that you'll even go to hell. Tell the truth man- don't you ever feel like what you're doing is wrong? Something inside of you has to know.

The penis was not made for the butthole, but for the vagina.

I'm not trolling you, I just can't possibly understand. I believe in God and that gayness is wrong, but what you're saying does not comport with that. I can't judge anyone but I trust the Bible more than a stranger on 4chan I guess.

You have got to know in your heart something about it is wrong.

>>134515965
You are most definitely trolling.

homosexuality doesn't exist. what you see as a physical representation of love is a behavior. The behavior only represents an inner emotional or psychological state. What is the state that underlies "homosexuality" behavior? It is emotional pain.

>>134515965
If it's so wrong then why did god put men's g spot in the ass?

As a bad cruel joke for all straight men?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

Good read about how homexuality is culturally motivated. It is a mental illness not found in indigenous cultures.

>>134515627
leftist propaganda? They let me watch too much PBS dammit! Burt and Ernie were fags weren't they?

>>134516061
Archived that for you
https://archive.is/sKCHB

>>134515987

I'm not at all. Being gay is an absolutely foreign subject for me and I'm just trying to understand it from a homo's perspective for once (no offense).

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I wish I was straight, but I can't change it, I am who I am. I would love to be normal with a family, but it would be unspeakably cruel to a woman to marry her knowing I was gay.

If we could all choose I think the majority of us would choose to be straight too. It would just be easier. Society sucks and the pressure and ridicule that children and teens feel is always present. We are all assumed to be straight until we prove otherwise (which is very hard to live up to when you just want to be with someone of the same sex).

Sometimes I think it would be easier if I just died. I hate seeing hurt in the eyes of people I love when they find out

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>>134513932
Kek

>>134516097
Image a woman's drive to fuck men, inserted into a man's body. It is not that hard.

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>>134512243
> if down syndrome is genetic, why do people with down syndrome still exist?
> someone must be fucking the downies I guess :^)

> what are bisexuals
> what are societal expectations to marry and have kids

>cant have offspring
Why not just fucking think about whst youre saying so you arent a moron?

>>134516043

Most normal men just have an orgasm when pounding out a woman's vag. It works totally fine that way.

>>134516097
They get turned in by guys as you and me gets turned on by girls... Seems simple to understand no?

>>134515752
More like a dystopic vision. But accurate nonetheless. Ben Afflecj is catching shit right now because he discussed his difficulty as a straight man kissing another man on-screen. Gays can't respect his experiences as such, no, he has to perform on demand as they say he must, and like it. Its like druggies who call you a narc if you don't want to smoke a blunt with them.

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>>134515965
>Every religion that means anything
>I trust the Bible
kek

have you fucking read the bible? god summons bears to eat kids at one point

>>134515965
Please just go back to studying your homework or playing Pokemon go. This website isn't meant for you.

Getting you political views from /pol/ isn't a good idea 'till you've seen enough of the world to see justification in at least 10% of this board. I promise you, only about 10% of this place is worth while

>>134516178
Yes that is correct I am same. But again. Why do we have out g spot in the anus if God didn't intend for it to be used? Girls have it in there vagina after all.

>>134515898
Retard that cannot accept the fact that mental illnesses such as homosexuality is culture driven.

>>134516204

Sure, but they'd be in the extreme (but vocal) minority. Just like most Christians don't want to actively kill gays but a small number do.

>>134516181

Not really. That's like saying, "we eat food, they eat feces. Simple to understand, no?"

Not at all.


>>134516235
It also predicted the Birth of Jesus Christ and that his teachings would spread throughout the world.

>>134516235
Are you one of those close minded dipshits that thinks the Bible must be taken literally?

>>134515965
Oh yes, I'm so terrified that a big book of fairy tales is going to dictate my life for me because I'm far too incapable and don't have the free will to do as I please.
Get out. I have been with women, have a child and now that I tried sleeping with a man, it's much better. I'm never sleeping with a woman again but damn do they try.

Of all things I've worked against the Catholic Church & Foster kids ( I work for a law firm).
There's definitely some connection between sexual abuse at an early age that causes homosexuality.
Even if homosexuality is "genetic" there has to be a pause to consider that homosexuality can be a direct result of traumatic abuse at an early age.

I've researched well over 100 cases of priests and 200+ foster care providers molesting children and well over 60% of the abuse victims ended up becoming homosexual.
Look up the rates of homosexuality in the foster system and you'll see what I mean.
I understand the idea of the "gay uncle" theory , but there are plenty of people in society who are simply asexual due to lack of testosterone and they serve that role without being interested in having a partner.
Most of the gay men I know have sex more often than straight people without latching onto partners. Of my gay friends/coworkers 4 come from families where they are only children or have a brother. 1 has a much older sister who was a lesbian.

I don't really care if anyone is gay. For the most part gay people have as many issues as the normal straight people.
But I think it's psychological in the same way that some straight dudes are really into bondage / older women / etc

>>134516362
Wow thats the most retarded comment yet.

>>134515965
Seriously kid. Just leave this site while you still can.

On a side note, sell all your worldy possessions and go hitchhiking across your country. Come back to pull 4 or 5 years after that. You'll thank me.

>>134512243

Are you that retarded to not know how genetics work?

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>>134512243
Not genetic. My own father was a raging faggot (had a family just to hide his faggotry). I now hate no creatures more than homos, and I would never think of becoming one myself.

>>134516331
homophobia is culture driven and is much more like a mental illness. homosexuality existed before culture.

>>134516043
kek

>>134516550
Those daddy issues. Talk about projecting your shit on other innocent people.

>>134516354
Sure. Who gets the laws passed?

>>134516362
Jesus' story was rewritten by the Roman Empire (using tropes going back to Zoroastrian times), both for political purposes and to be more similar to Roman pagan beliefs, when the Roman Catholic Church became a thing.

It's all garbage. Sorry to break it to you.

>>134516375
Are you saying there's a symbolic meaning in the children being torn apart by the bears of the Lord?

>>134516375
If he's not a troll, he's a child. I kinda want to think he's the latter. If so, educate don't agitate.

Don't just tell him he's retarded. Tell him why he's retarded.

>>134514514
you mean the rejection of homosexuality?

>>134516384
There's a lot of truth in those "fairy tales." Do you at least understand why homosexuality has traditionally been looked down upon?

>>134516097
You forgot to say no homo.

>>134516315

Huffing paint also feels good, were we meant by God to do that as well?

>>134516653
>Jesus' story was rewritten by the Roman Empire

This is absolute tinfoil hat nonsense. The Romans tried as hard as they could for a few hundred years to utterly destroy Christianity before they finally gave up. The reason they were unable to destroy it is because it's the truth and when people saw that they were willing to take it to the grave.

>>134516550

Do you think he lusted after your naked body as a boy or something? he was probably just regular gay.

>>134516705
A convenient scapegoat for failed socialist experiments?

>>134516565
Obviously you know nothing about uncontacted tribes of S.America and Afica where homosexuality does not exist at all. Faggots somehow never can bring themselves to study about how thhey are a product of their culture. Not some non-existent homosexual DNA.

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>>134512243
how do non ginger parents give birth to a ginger kid?

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>>134516620
>innocent
they are truly evil

>>134513626
then why are homos so degenerate

>>134516713

That's true, but I believe that can be inferred from the context of my previous posts.

Because genes are attached to other genes. Maybe the one that creates homosexuality does something like 'makes people friendly' too.

>>134516550
You poor dear... you are one of us. *hugs*

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The jury is out on having two dads or two moms but I think the result will be that the difference is either a positive one or negligible difference.

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>>134516753
this post is proof that homos are also pedophiles

>>134516744
Did man or God create paint thinners?

Maybe got felt bad for the man so he put the g spot in the ass so fåwe felt blessed every time we tale a shit.

>>134516858
Poster that knows nothing about DNA/RNA.

>>134514604
youre posting old studies because you know full well that any study in this field is so taboo that no one dares risking their position carrying out new studies on the subject, we know it would just paint a bad light on the minorities

I think gay men are useful to society because they can mentor ''degenerate bisexual'' sissibois to actually become MEN.

Gay men also have incredibly high libidos which basically means they are naturally ALPHA most of the time.Even submissive feminine types have this exuberant aura around them.

Gay sex doesn't serve much of a purpose other than relieving gay guys of their sexual energy.Thus,I believe that gay men should strive and make sometehing useful of all this buttfucking.--maybe try becoming a bit more monogamous??

>>134516705
>A lot of truth
There's more truth in Pinocchio.

recessive genes

/thread

>>134516769
If it is culture then why do animals exhibit androgyny and homosexual behavior?

>>134516744
The actual Jesus of Nazareth was sarcastically called 'King of the Jews' by the Romans who executed him because he was a leader of Jews peacefully protesting the Roman occupation and the Roman corruption of Pharisees in Judaea. He was a figure alike to Gandhi. He did not do magic. Centuries later the Romans altered the story as they made the Roman Catholic Church to be the empire's state religion. They changed Jesus' message politically (render under Caesar...), added virgin birth stuff from Zoroastrianism, and demigod stuff from Roman myth.

>>134516744
Holly shit did you get brainwashed in a sunny school or a Christan school or some shit?

Or your just a troll waiting everyone's time for your own amusement.

I wish all gays would just leave America

Humans are tribal animals. In a familial group, it can be beneficial to have a few men incapable (or just unwilling) to have children of their own so that they can aid in caring for the children of others or providing for the group as a whole without consuming many resources.
Homosexuality is a k-selected trait.

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>>134516873
Yes, I was put into the same position that has created so many other worthless homosexuals as yourself.
I was able to fight it, though. You are truly pathetic to have fallent into the pit of faggotry.

Evolution is not some kind of magician.
If it's not inherently negative treat, it's not gonna disappear from the gene pool.
In fact, siblings of homosexuals are more likely to have twins for some reason so that's one reproductional value.

>>134516909

No it isn't, lol.

>>134516354
small steps anon

>>134516769
If they're uncontacted tribes how would you know they never have gay sex? baka

>>134517009


This is more unsubstantiated trash. Half of those things were predicted in the Old Testament, which was compiled from scrolls that far pre-dated Rome. Many scrolls have been found with the same writings, which shows that these concepts existed in disparate places in antiquity.


Not trying to be a dick but you need to do more research than simply reading Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens.

>>134512243
Homosexuality is tied to high levels of stress during pregnancy or childhood. It is natures way of limiting population growth when there are not enough resources for it (which is what a high stress environment implies). Ever notice that gay men tend to have crazy mothers?

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>>134512243

>It's not natural, Deer culture promotes homosexuality

Everyone in this thread seems to be neglecting other examples of homosexuality among animals.

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>>134516744
Please take your faggotry elsewhere. Please stop being cancer to the world. Please get the hell out of here.

>>134516993
Yes most likely.

Studies show that gay men's brain have similarities with female brains.

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>>134517061
>lol
This post is proof that the only ones here that are actually pro-faggot, are just shills from reddit and /leftypol/

>>134517012

Why even post if you had absolutely nothing to add? You can't refute anything I've said.

>>134512243
The current scientific consensus is that male homosexuality gene is the same gene that makes some females more horny and fertile than others.

This gene makes women shit out more kids, but also increases the chance their sons will be gay.

The scientific basis for suspecting this is that male homosexuality always runs on the maternal side.

A gay man will have higher chance of having a gay relative on his mother's side, but no higher chance of having a gay relative on his father's side.

>>134516580
Dudes can orgasm from getting fucked

>>134516769
uncontacted tribes have no relevance to anything. you just want to believe in conspiracies about the gay mafia because you're scared of 'faggots'. homosexuality and attraction is guided by genes, there's a FACT for you.

>>134517097
Read the article I posted earlier. That is only one of many that anthropologists went to study the dynamics of previously uncontacted tribes, smartass.

>>134517163
I've never read either of those authors. Not trying to be a dick but you need to get out of your ass and stop pretending you aren't already aware of the shit-stained legacy of the Roman Catholic Church or the forced Christianization of Roman occupied territories in Northern Europe.

>>134512243
Because in the past they were coerced into breeding by societies which valured adaptive behavior. Today they are in fact dying out because that is no longer the case.

We have reason to believe that a tendency toward faggotry is inheritable and faggots display a common physiological pathology. Male and female homos(including all "bisexuals and other freaks in this" have androgynous nervous systems. That is to say certain regions of their brains display physical characteristics in terms of structure which more closely resemble the mean structure of the opposite sex than is normal for the mean of their sex. Homosexuality is also 20% inheritable as determined by closeted faggots only having a 20% to produce a child who displays homosexual behaviors even when they raised them. Note that political and religious affiliation is 93% inheritable(reflecting the positions of the biologic parents) even when the child is raised by unrelated parents. But it is far above the threshold of traits which are considered weakly or non-inherited with a 2% incidence of heritability. I suspect that the inherited factor is not often a predisposition to faggotry itself but a vulnerability to environmental factors, specifically bacterial or viral infection in adolescence, which cause a developmental abberation and create the pathology we see displayed in the brains of adult homosexuals we have dissected. This would also explain why so many homos are "converted" by sexual abuse during adolescence. The abuse itself if continual or more likely exposure to a pathogen carried by homosexuals causes the abberant development of the central nervous system. We know that fevers and viral infections can lead to abberant physiological characteristics developing later in life if the infection occurs in early childhood.

>>134512243
If it is genetic, the best way to get rid of them is to let them gay it out for a few decades and none of them will have a wife and kids like they used to.

>>134517308
The fact that the typical neurology displayed by the homosexuals is a maladaptive abberation is seen clearly in their rates of suicicide and their propensity for risk taking and outright self destructive behavior. The mean age of death for male homosexual(defined as anyone who engages in homosexual activity at any time during their lives) in the US is 45 and the mean age of death for female homosexuals is 49. Despite the claims to the contrary by homosexuals even the pro-homo American Psychological Association which was the first to depathologize homosexuality admits that these behaviors are not likely to arise from social rejection nor is the high suicide rate of homosexuals due to social pressure. It is no usual for deformity to correlate with dementia and abnormal behavior, even if like polydactyly the apparent deformity isn't in the central nervous system. Flaws in the blastomere or inherited traits which lead to deformity effect more that what is readily apparent, including the structure of the central nervous system.

Like many things homosexual behaviors appear to derive from a physiological deformity mediated by environmental factors(pathogens?) and it is inheritable but not always expressed in the phenotype.

According to the US Survey in 1990 1.2% of the population was homosexual and 1.8% were bisexual by 2010 the number of homosexuals had declined to 0.8% of the population(0.6% for whites) and the number of bisexuals had declined to 1.1% of the population.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/2011/08/01/the-end-of-gays-gay-marriage-and-the-decline-of-the-homosexual-population/

>>134516653
It's a metaphor for what happens when you reject the word of God. A lot of the stories in the Bible are multi layered regarding the personal and societal implications of your/our actions.

>>134517331
>>134517308
The hypothetical cause of this decline is the decline in the homosexual birthrate since the 1960s, when social obligations which previously ensured some homosexuals entered into marriages with the opposite sex and produced some offspring who have a 20% chance of expressing some sort of homosexual or bisexual behavior.
What will likely happen is 1) homosexuality will continue to decline in relative frequency due to those carrying traits for it not breeding. 2) If a more rightist ideology comes to power it is likely that individuals will use germ line engineering, in utero chemical treatment

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/07/preventing-homosexuality-in-utero-could-we-would-we-should-we-1.html, and surgical brainwashing to prevent the traits from manifesting in the phenotype and possibly further reducing the number of individuals carrying traits that predispose them toward homosexual behavior in the first place.

Now there is always the possibility of mutations that would create the predilection anew. But these would be eliminated in a similar manner.

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>>134512243
Obviously propaganda and degeneracy.

Crime should have been generationally wiped out too, but certain people go down a bad path and have an inclination to do fucked up shit.

>>134517312
Not if it's from the mother. Do you know nothing of genetics?

>>134517269
Link one academic journal that shows that there is a faggot DNA. Oh wait, you cannot, because it does not exist.

>>134516948
Good post. I agree because that has been my experience. Well said.

>>134517008
le homosexual animals meme

>>134517389
>there is no academic journal that identified large penis DNA
>thus there are no large penises in the world or they are not genetically inherited trait

>>134517182
Disease, deformity, sterility, and premature death are all natural as well.

Also bettles will fuck glass bottles of a certain color until their dicks fall off because they mistake them for females. Animals are stupid and will engage in whatever behavior their instincts dictate when receiving the proper stimuli, they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand that they are an actor or the consequences of actions.

>>134517182
prove this is homosexual behaviour to begin with

>>134516783
LGBT "culture" fabricated by Jews. They create degeneracy anytime they gain a foothold in culture. A normal white society would still have gays, but they would be respectable and difficult to point out. Not to mention much fewer in number since people wouldn't be doing it for attention or getting brainwashed into it by insane single mothers anymore.

>>134516948
Lot of assumptions here sweetie. I'm mostly apathetic to sex. My partner tends to initiate.

Marriage gives us the ability to build wealth so we are settling down. As soon as my spouse and I could we got married and it has been over 3 years now. Longer than my previous marriage to a woman.

>>134517282
Nice dodge. I can't believe I followed that thread to get all the way to
>Christians do bad stuff

>>134517282

The Roman Catholic Church is a bastardization of what Jesus taught. Have you read the New Testament? If so then you are likely aware that they are not doing what Christ taught.

You have to be able to make a distinction between what Jesus taught and what the Catholic Church is doing. There is a BIG difference.

>>134517487
why does that matter? the homosexual animal meme just makes it so that you cant use nature as an argument against homosexuality. no ones trying to get justification for saying we have to infect, deform, sterilise, and kill people

>>134516160

risk of being born with downs syndrome = 0.1%

homo population = 3%

that's a UUUGE difference!

>>134517036
but you would have to leave then?

>>134517709
Seems many are afraid of homosexuality. Most likely because they are closet homosexuals with issues coming out.

As a straight guy iv never had a problem with gay people.

>>134517805
> pre-1950 society
> closeted, well-dressed, seemingly normal gay and bi men have more success in marriages than literal retards

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>>134512880

>There are very good theories on this. Genes that make female goats more sexually productive seek to make male goats gay. It's not genetic entirely but also bases on hormones.

Homosexual goats actually gave an extremely beneficial boon to the herd, as raising a goat is the most prolonged infancy of almost any ungulate mammal on earth. The sorta gay goat uncle effect. More goats to raise kids also helped grow goat intelligence as it requires the long maturation stage

>>134512243

LOOK UP 'MALE SIBLING BIRTH ORDER', EVERY OLDER BROTHER INCREASES CHANCE OF GAY YOUNGER BROTHER. CHECK YOUR GAY FRIENDS HOW MANY HAVE OLDER BROTHERS.

>>134517709
By definition homosexuality must a disorder or a disease because it induces maladaptive behavior. If there is no distinct pathology it is a disorder and if there is then it would be catagorized as a disease.


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/
Everyone who is not an exclusive heterosexual makes up about 2.1-2.7% of the population. With about 1% being homosexual. So the number of dudes that fuck dudes would be around 1.3% at most. So if they account for 56% of new infections they are 43 times more likely to be infected.

The total number of these dude-fuckers shall we call them who are infected each year is 28,200. Given that sexual activity occurs between 15 and 45 that means that in that time 846,000 of the sexually active dude fuckers will be infected. Their total population is about 4.095 million at the most. Of which 55% will be within that 15-45 age group. So about 2.25 million of them are sexually active in a given 30 year period of which 846,000 will be infected. So about 37.5% of their sexually active population will be infected in their lifetimes. Now before you say “but that is just niggers and spics”, look at the data, even when only accounting for whites the rate of infection is still 31%. Which is admittedly better than 37% but still not great.

Homosexual Men Have 50 Times Higher Rate of AIDS
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#incidence

One in Five Gay, Bisexual Men in U.S. Cities Has HIV
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/23/us-aids-usa-idUSTRE68M3H220100923

Report Finds Black Gay Males in US Worst Hit By HIV-AIDS
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/report-finds-black-gay-males-us-worst-hit-161752246.html

STD Facts - Syphilis & MSM
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Syphilis/STDFact-MSM-Syphilis.htm

Viral Hepatitis Populations - Men Who Have Sex with Men
http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/Populations/msm.htm

>>134516967
There's a lot of biblical themes in Pinocchio, so whatever. Glad we agree.

>>134517876
Many are sick and tired of it being shoved down our throats every chance they get. If they could just shut the fuck up and stop with trying to get special treatment, nobody would care.

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>>134517053
dude, its ok to be gay.
take it easy.

>>134518036
Well yes I can agree with these.

>>134517876
Your liberal argumentation has no power here, its just pseudo-Freudian bullshit appealing to the disproven "hypothesis" of displacement. There is zero evidence to support your claims.

Also faggots are a measurable detriment to society at large and are demonstrably maladaptive as organisms. They have the highest rates of suicide, domestic abuse, drug abuse, and fatal accident of any demographic. But beyond that homosexual behaviors correlate with premature death, the CDC claims that the mean age of death for faggots is 47 and 48 for dykes. And according to the American Psychological Association(the body which first de-pathologized faggotry) there is no indication that their suicide rate has anything to do with social disapproval of their behaviors. In fact the rate has increase with decreased social disapproval in their geographic areas.

>>134517951
You are basing your arguments off of facts. That does not work and will just go over their heads. They are too lazy to read anything more than 180 characters.

>>134512243
Testosterone level during Pregnancy decides if you'll be gay or not. It even decides which type of gay you are (acting/looking feminin or acting/looking like man).

There may be a genetic component in the mother that results in unstable testosterone levels and therefore more gays.

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>>134512243
I think we first need to understand the possibility there are different kinds of homosexuality with different natures. There's feminine males who seem to be more like women then men, there's men who turn gay in specific environments (prison gay), there's hyper masculine seemingly straight males who are actually gay and more. I think they all have different causes.

In my opinion, exclusive homosexuality or bisexuality as a masculine male is likely a gene activated within the right circumstances. Perhaps trauma, being denied access to women thus seeking sexual pleasure with men, being raised with a lack of a father figure, this is an epigenetic explanation. Other forms of feminine male behaviour (acting and feeling more like a woman than a man) could be caused prenatally, too much estrogen, etc, leading to potentially a female mindset and socialised into being attracted to men due to a submissive or agreeable mindset. Probably a mixture of both. Maybe gays just have woman brains, which may not necessarily be impossible, societies through out history have detailed homosexual behaviour. Also, homosexual behaviour was more prominent in Mice during a Behaviour Sink (population density and utopian standards).

I personally had homosexual thoughts for as long as I can remember, and also am quite feminine in some ways, more so than my male peers. It's easy to just assume it's societies fault somehow (muh cultural marxism I guess), but I pretty much was attracted to males out of the gate, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't traumatised or raped unless I repressed. My mother also revealed to me many years that she has had female partners when she was younger, implying a potential homosexual gene in me.

There's also this. Gay males simply are more feminine and feminine boys always seem to grow up to be gay:

https://youtu.be/b5iEnZt2t7k?t=1010

>>134518099
No it isn't. The Night of Long Knives is coming.

>>134517256
Correct.

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>>134517627
I completely agree. I support every man's rights but when I see pic related I kinda don't want to.

>>134517951
As a social species, culture develops over time and has inertia. The culture of underground gay sex is one that is terrible and the reason I'll never step foot in a gay bar in my life.

Is obesity intrinsic to Americans or have the conditions of living in America and the culture surrounding fast food and socialized medicine enabled the epidemic?

>>134518205
Good luck surviving faggot.

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>this far into the thread
>no one has mentioned the gay germ hypothesis
I can only hope some of you read this:

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/

>In this post, I will review Gregory Cochran’s “gay germ” hypothesis. I wanted to make an index of Cochran’s posts from his and Henry Harpending’s blog West Hunter that discuss it. These posts don’t seem to all show up under the “Homosexuality” category there, and I wanted links to them to be all in one place. So here are the key posts, with a brief synopsis of each post’s major points. In reviewing this hypothesis, I cite an earlier paper co-authored by Cochran on the matter, one which discusses the role pathogens may play in all manner of human diseases and behaviors.

>The “gay germ” hypothesis is very much Cochran’s, not mine (I haven’t contributed anything to it, except, perhaps, the name). I just believe that it is very likely correct, and promote it. Here is the list:

>Depths of Madness – The first post in the series. Here Cochran lays out the basic case, and notes key facts that point to the pathogen (e.g., high rate of discordance between identical twins, the evolutionary maladaptiveness of obligate male homosexuality and the paradox of how it could have become so common, how pathogens can affect brain function)

>Paternal Age and Homosexuality – Explains why genetic load (burden of accumulated deleterious mutation) can’t explain the existence of male homosexuality, especially at its relatively high prevalence. Notes that unlike afflictions that likely are caused by genetic load, there doesn’t seem to be increased incidence of homosexuality in the children of older fathers.

>Group Selection (and homosexuality) – Why group selection (multi-level selection) of the type proposed by E.O. Wilson doesn’t work in general and why it certainly can’t explain male homosexuality. Debunks the “gay uncle” hypothesis.

>>134518099
Homosexuals are extreme sexual deviants, disproportionately child molesters, filled with diseases, and terrible parents.
None of this is okay.

>>134518133
Now is a universal fenomeno or does it only apply to your burger country?

>>134518205
> Some shit from 1934
go outside tomorrow fag

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>>134518292
>Homosexuality, epigenetics, and zebras – Why developmental noise, including in-utero epigenetic modifications, cannot explain male homosexuality (in short, natural selection has a strong incentive to prevent low-fitness phenotypes from manifesting, so such congenital defects are all rare)

>Heads exploding – The introspective post. Appropriately titled, Cochran invites discussion on the social and scientific consequences of nailing down the biological cause of homosexuality – any cause, regardless if that turned out to be the pathogen as he suspects. (As we’ve seen, public discussion of any biological determinant of homosexuality will have consequences, and as I’ve discussed, not necessarily good ones.)

>Math is Hard – Rips on E.O. Wilson, and innumerate social scientists in general, who are largely unable to quantitatively evaluate their variously kooky hypotheses (as I’ve said elsewhere, “everything, and I mean everything, can be quantified”). Dishes on Wilson’s “gay uncle” hypothesis as example of these, one of many other nonsensical notions in social science.

>Hamilton Rules OK! – Reviews the mathematics of kin altruism (Hamilton’s rule), and again notes why “gay uncle” type altruism doesn’t work.

>>134518229
I'm with you. I hate that shit. It is just to freak people out.

>>134517951
so your dumb ASS is really trying to tell me that people don't get STDs, depression, or commit suicide because of a straight relationship? you really think gay relationships are the only thing that causes that

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>>134517493

>Female deer have antlers too because I'm fucking retarded

Are you challenging my assertion that animals practice homosexuality, or are you making my case for how people are just as stupid as other animals?

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>>134518324
>Not Final! – Key post where Cochran reviews the case for the gay germ, demonstrating the unworkability of all the alternatives. Shows how processes of elimination (essentially, the reductio ad absurdum) can sometime be a useful method of getting at the truth. Excludes ideas such heterozygote advantage (requires very strong selective pressure for advantage – but nonetheless ruled out by GWAS), sexual antagonistic selection (i.e., benefit to females but costly to males – also ruled out by GWAS), group selection (impossible, and no evidence anyway). Explains the how immune complexes generated by molecular mimicry can cause damage to specific tissues not infected by the pathogen. Notes the ubiquitous impact of genes, but the often highly indirect nature of this impact, which may explain the low but non-zero heritability of homosexuality. And notes that pathogens are often responsible for common fitness-reducing syndromes.

>Biological Determinism – Cochran references yours truly as he talks about the pervasiveness of heredity in all things (i.e., All Human Behavioral Traits are Heritable), with illustrative anecdotes about twins. Notes the role that genes play in infectious diseases, illustrating that they are often a necessary but not sufficient component of the outcome in question – i.e., you must invoke pathogens to explain something like tuberculosis. Such is the case with male homosexuality.

>>134518229
Kinda have to agree that they are taking it to far.

>>134518182
>society's fault
Why does it have to be someone's fault? Is it your mother's fault for your hair color or your eye color?

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>>134518378
>Evolution of Virulence – An in-depth discussion of the evolutionary pressures that lead to the insidiousness of pathogenic organisms. In particularly, notes that since pathogenic organisms’ populations are immensely large and their generation times are so short, they evolve far faster than their hosts could ever hope to. Discusses Trojan Horse pathogens, those that try to hide from their hosts’ defenses by mimicking host molecules, and why these selection on these types of infectious agents tend to favor late-appearing illnesses.

>The case for the gay germ is somewhat indirect, but very strong. Critics often level the charge that there is “no evidence” for Cochran’s hypothesis – i.e., that the offending pathogen has yet to be identified. But the claim that there is “no evidence” isn’t really true; there is in fact plenty of evidence. The facts are certainly consistent with a pathogenic explanation, even if we don’t have the pathogen itself nailed down. But, the most compelling evidence comes in the form of ruling out potential alternative explanations. This itself is a form of evidence. The Sherlock Holmes quote, “when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth,” is an excellent guiding principle, and is certainly valid here. As I’ve said before, there is something to be said for explanations, that, while maybe not conclusively proven, have the virtue in that they lack meaningful competition. This perhaps one of the clearest examples.

>>134518386
Actually yes, the mother chooses who to procreate with which has an effect on hair and eye color.

>>134518304
Stop doing that shit then.

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>>134518431
>But biggest of all is that the gay germ model is suggestive of the poorly researched role that pathogens can have in some many other areas, both in illnesses and behaviors. Indeed, the of mode of action of Trojan Horse pathogens which rely on molecular mimicry could be responsible for many low-heritability, late-onset diseases, such as Alzheimer’s disease and cancer. Indeed, in the case of cancer, some are known to be caused by infectious agents, such as those caused by the human papilloma virus (HPV) (e.g., genitoanal cancers) and stomach cancer (apparently caused by Helicobacter pylori). As Paul Ewald (Cochran’s co-author on the paper on this matter) explains, as much as 80% of all cancers will turn out to be caused by infections. This would be revolutionary, if true, because it would suggest that there’s a way to fight the often highly unsuccessful war against cancer, as demonstrated by the success of the HPV vaccine.

>They note that infections have fallen out of favor as a possible cause of disease because infectious agents have been increasingly harder to identify – many of the easy-to-spot infectious agents have already been found. This leaves the harder to find pathogens to make up the bulk of those left to be discovered.

>Indeed, their paper is very insightful, and quite chilling. They note that even many diseases with known genetic links may have infectious roots. Infectious agents may create a selective pressure favoring otherwise deleterious alleles to persist.

>>134512346
Only subhumans are homosexual, sex should only be for reproducing

>>134518523
Lol.

What should we do with all the hookers then?

>>134518465
You are dodging the point my friend. I will assume you do not have a double-digit IQ and that you are dodging the point intentionally to be contrarian.

>>134517876
>>134518036
I love this argument. You find something wrong with gays so you must be gay. I also find something wrong with child molesters, do you?

And I'm not equating the two, just the stupid ass argument. My problem with gays is their desire to normalize that lifestyle then push it onto kids. Breeding is important people. The younger generations replenish the society. If homosexuality was 10% of the population we would be unsustainable. Idgaf if you stick your dick in another man but, given a man's sex drive, if every man felt like they could fuck either men or women then our society would become a diseased cesspool 3 generations from extinction.

>>134518523
Are you Mormon by chance?

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>>134518506
I'll stop copy-pasting at this point, if you found this interesting then you should read the remainder. The gay germ hypothesis is more compelling to me than any of the alternative explanations for male homosexuality.

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/

>>134512243
Lesbians, is the simple answer. If indeed it is genetic.

Lesbians very often have kids despite being gay, therefore passing their "gay gene" on, to both male and female offspring. And that's just looking at it today, modern day, many if not most lesbians will eventually have children. Compared to the past, when women didn't really have a choice in the matter? Throughout history, women may have been gay, but they're going to be married off or need to marry just to survive, which means they're going to be made to have children. So even if she's fully lesbian, and sneaks off to be lesbian in the woods with the neighboring farm wife whom also happens to be a lesbian, both are having children regardless. Hell, even lesbians which became hermits, witches even, still had children.

Compare to gay men whom can choose to not marry or have kids, and still manage to survive and have a normal life (as long as he kept it secret). Sure some gay men would get married and have kids, but compare that with gay women whom, by being women are going to end up married and having kids basically guaranteed. This is true in past history where women had their lives run for them, and true today where they have freedom but still overwhelmingly end up having children. More than men at any rate.

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>>134518386
I'm not saying it has to be someones fault, I'm saying it's easy to assume cause of muh jews and muh cultural marxism. Explanations that are too easy and have little evidence supporting them.

pol loves to be picky about things and whether they're sociological or biological. Intelligence in blacks is low because of genes, but homosexuality is caused by hollywood. They want to be able to purge things out of society and make things a white utopia, and they take any chance they get to blame the evils of the Jew.

Very often, it's more reasonable to say 99% of all things are caused by biology, and that scares pol because that implies homosexuals don't choose to be attracted to men.

>>134518615
You posed the idiotic question. I gave a direct answer.

>>134518587
Pump and dump

>>134518618
I could possibly be drunkposting, just saying

>>134518623
Could you link to a peer-reviewed study from a respected scientific journal instead of a wordpress?

>>134518371
>so your dumb ASS is really trying to tell me that people don't get STDs, depression, or commit suicide because of a straight relationship

A statistically speaking if they are white, social conservative, rural Americans, who are in a monogamous relationship then just they do not get STDs, have a 4%(still way to high) rate of divorce, engage in adultery, or commit suicide. And they have 6,000 USD more disposable income than urban or liberal whites in America or Europe.

Fun with statistical analysis.

>>134518386
We thank god first then our parents.

>>134518523
sex is also an emotional need, a stress relief. something that can raise life expectancy. that's another part of evolution, the individuals who live longer lives because of happiness and empathy. maybe even an evolutionary advantage

>>134518617
No.
Find some thing "wrong" like a genetic difference is one thing. That's in search for an answer.

Getting triggerd because a man are sexually attracted to another man is a whole other story.

>>134518587
Give them to the Muslims so they'll stop raping your women.

>>134517487

>I'm a homosexual scientist so let me list shit off the top of my head on why animals practice homosexuality and how it's different then humans

People will fuck glass bottles, People are stupid and will engage in whatever behavior their instincts dictate. For fucks sakes dude, we have an entire religion (satanism, thelema, etc) whose whole motto is do what thou wilt.

You just make my point stronger. Biologist studying animals their entire career and can't explain it, accept that it's beyond our knowledge right now.

>>134514806
I'm gay and I'm absolutely repulsed by the thought of buttsex. I really just find men's bodies attractive; the most I'd really do is a blowjob or something.

>>134518523
See you in hell sweetie.

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>>134517951
More of a problem with the perverse LGBT culture and promiscuity in general, I'd say. White gay men with a single partner are fine.

Not that I'd be bothered by getting rid of the obvious degenerates at pride parades and the like. Hitler, for example, used anti-homosexual sentiment to go after many Jews because pro-gay organizations were almost invariably malicious and run by Jews (kind of like today). It never became a witch hunt to root out homosexual behavior behind closed doors because the problem is actually remedied simply by dealing with the obvious/outspoken ones.

>>134518305
Europe doesn't collect much data on homosexuals, remember they hide data about mudslime rapes so that isn't unexpected. It is difficult to determine the rate of HIV infection amoung homosexuals in Europe because the individual nations do not collect data as extensively thus resulting in poor sample size. In Russia however homosexuals and non-europeans constitute the majority of new instances of HIV infection.

>>134518872
You deserve to go to hell for that retarded flag. This whole thread is full of disgusting walking bags of pestilence and none of you will be missed if you continue to kill yourselves and your society. Fix yourselves or your deaths will be unmourned.

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Some faggots claim that

(1) they weren't molested
(2) they have no daddy issues


Are they lying or is there really a chance that some people just "turn out" gay?

>>134518623
Suits your agenda does it?

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>>134518677
I can respect that

>>134518684
I was making a point as much as I was asking a question my dude. If you take that question at literal face value then there's not much point in having any more discussion with you because you're an idiot or just trying to be an asshole.

>>134518901
I'm not really afraid of fascism for this reason. While I always hear talk about executing gays or policing what people do in their bedrooms, I kinda realize that it would never need to escalate to that point.

>>134518981
No chance at anyone being born 'gay.'
That is just the fairy tale that the jews are pushing to try and normalize the illness.

>>134518703
I'm not aware of one. One should expect a scarcity of peer-reviewed articles on a subject as controversial as this one.

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>>134512346
>>134512243
Caused by toxoplasmosis in children

>>134518786
I almost feel like copy/pasting everything I just mentioned but obviously you didn't pay attention the first time.
When I was a kid, homosexuality wasn't really talked about in sex education. Now, it's taught like it's the cool thing to do. Like I said, I don't care what adults do. Just don't try to normalize the behavior. By that I mean, it's not ok to teach a classroom full of children that sex between a man and a woman is the same as man on man.

>>134518981
it depends on whether they're more inclined to have the gay gene triggered. maybe that could happen from environment, or it could happen from something like puberty or maybe it never happens and you're straight with a dormant gay gene you'll pass on to offspring

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Well, i had enough of this thread.

>>134518904
Well it seems hip homos are more likely onto fuck around and probably don't use protection as often. I agree.

Stds transmit more easily between men to men than woman to men. Probably more easily than man to woman also because of the buttsex since bleeding is more prone with that activity.

>>134518665
This is a pretty good explanation and explains why my mum has had female partners in the past. A huge portion of men in all of human history haven't had children, like 30% of adult males in Norway are childless.

Women are simply expected, and likely have an innate desire, to have children. Finding a husband is a priority for a woman because it's how they survive, without one, they struggle. Women are dependent, men aren't.

>>134518677
Blacks do not have neanderthal DNA like whites and asians. That is why they have a lower IQ. Does not compare.

>>134519098
I hope it is genetic. It'll put lefties in a conundrum when people start embracing abortion based off isolating the gay gene.

>>134519201
Gay yet?

>>134518901
You are assuming that the deformity of the central nervous system which is likely the pathology of faggotry doesn't have other behavioral expressions.

"Culture" is mostly genetic and biologic in origin, you'r on /pol/ and should know this already.

Hitler and those who merely compel adaptive behavior from the masses are going about it the wrong way. The solution it the utter extermination of maladaptive: the liberal, the faggot, the jew, the nigger, the spic, the street shitter, and the saracen. The way you remove undesirable behaviors from society is by removing those who carry the traits which predispose them to undesirable behavior from the population. Luckily the "victory" of the left is killing them by inches. Conservative whites have a birthrate of 2.7, liberal whites of 0.9, kikes of 0.8, spics of 1.6, niggers of 1.4, and saracens of 1.8. There is no population in an industrialized nation other than righist whites which is breeding at above replacement rates.
http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/the-liberalconservative-baby-gap-time-depth/

That is why they need to import a voter base in the form of shitshins. Without it the west would already be far more right wing than it was 50 years ago. Liberal whites have been dying for a century and without their welfare pets would have little power today.

The holocaust didn't happen, but it should have.

>>134519286
Lefties will probably become pro-life and ban abortions if that happens

gas all homosexs

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>>134512243
1. Evolution isn't real
2. It isn't genetic God makes them fags(gives them over to vile affections(Romans 1:26-32))

>>134519153
Obviously it's not the same. But if 2 adults feel the urge to engage in Sodomy who am i to say that they cannot?
Biology should be taught in school. Freedom to choose in social studies or what you call it in america.

>>134519141
Not really. If you had proper evidence and methodologies, respected scientific journals would eat this shit up. They exist to further our understanding and their continued subscription costs(which are stupidly high) are paid by institutions and individuals with the understanding that the newest discoveries will be published.

>>134519416
Keep prayin the gay away.

>>134512243
New thread:

>>134519516

New thread:

>>134519516

New thread:

>>134519516

>>134519342
>deformity of the central nervous system which is likely the pathology of faggotry
Could you provide a proper source for that claim?

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>>134519265
Is there a specific Neanderthal gene that gives whites and asians higher IQ? Are you able to point to it? And why aren't they comparable?

Are you telling me all Asians have universally the same high IQ? Are there not retarded Asians? Are you telling me IQ isn't a spectrum in whites?

How on earth are they not comparable?

>>134519416
How do you explain ring species?

>>134519342
You and a lot pol/ always forget something important. whites live the longest healthiest lives, by far. and why is it that the one thing hitler did wrong is what people think made him a great leader?

>>134519623

what are ring species?

>>134519437
You have a very idealistic view of academia. Most academics who have wrongthink suspicions simply look out for their career and write papers on non-controversial subjects. In this particular case, the hypothetical pathogen is not identified (the evidence laid out is purely circumstantial, albeit very strong IMO), so a researcher would have to get a grant approved before even beginning research. Good luck with that.

>>134519234
Pretty much yeah, throughout history pretty much all women who could, did have children so that's going to include even fully gay women (even if they only have kids by force through marriage, or rape).

Also a valid point, lesbianism is more lightly tolerated usually through history. Many if not most cultures went as far as killing gay men, women they might get killed but much more likely their male relatives would beat them for being silly or something or just force them to go to church and pray harder. Two guys caught fucking in the woods is a serious thing, two women caught fucking in the woods is frowned upon but treated... I want to say, like naughty children being reprimanded, even if that isn't literally the case. More like "Bad girls! You get a horse whipping, and don't do it again!" rather than a "Bad boys! Off to be burned at the stake with you!" and so one pair go on to have children, one pair does not.

Small detail, ignore certain cultures with this trend, like the Greeks and Romans.

>>134519427
The slippery slope is real. We have morals because we have a higher intellectual capacity. Morals are an adaptation to that. You go erasing all lines and next thing you know Aleister Crowley is our messiah

>>134519342
I can't disagree that eugenics work, but I can suggest that selecting for particular traits exclusively often has unintended consequences, like inbreeding.

>>134519764
the slippery slope is a fallacy. not once ITT has someone mentioned trans

>>134519150
This is how we defeat Islam. Harvest toxoplasmosis. Infect muslims via Halal meat. Put immuno-suppressants in Halal meat. THEY WILL ALL BE GAY IN A DECADE! WIN!

>>134518806
Have you not considered that the "hedonist", homosexual", and "social liberal" individuals have maladaptive traits which they are expressing? Have you not considered that others who don't possess they traits do engage in more introspection and analyze their own beahviors as well as having a predisposition to more adaptive behavior?

I'm a geologist and biostratigrapher, I am well versed in evolutionary theory. Have you not considered that in the past homosexuality and hedonism were supressed by society and thus not expressed in a maladaptive manner which reduces the fecundity of those who possessed the traits. When that societal control slipped they began to express these previously hidden behaviors, their birthrates began to decline and now we see the results. The liberal and homosexual contingent of the white population is decreasing rapidly. It is only with the importation of shitskins who will vote in support of "gibs me dats" that they retain political power.

I don't see why it is difficult for a self professed biologist to make basic inferences regarding selective pressure and then apply them to humans. Unless you are a libtard arguing in bad faith to protect your political sacred cows, ie faggots.

>>134515898
youve been programmed to think science is god

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>>134519322
I refuse to answer that question.

>>134519342
I realize that culture comes from genetics. This is why I only believe WHITE gay men are acceptable. The development of this LGBT "culture" is not something rooted in the human condition or any deeper part of our collective consciousness. It is a recently constructed pseudo-culture which has nothing to do with the former type of culture mentioned.

That's why they only stand out as a separate culture when the Jews are able to deceive and manipulate with impunity. Otherwise they would just integrate into their actual culture, their race's culture, like everyone else.

>>134516331
Can one dislike gay degeneracy and not be "phobic". This is the argument you faggots use with muslims to. Go kill yourself you fucking brainwashed homo.

>>134519712
>not identified
>evidence laid out is pretty circumstantial
You are honest about this at least, I can respect that

>would have to get a grant
Are there not many different right-wing institutions who would be willing to provide funding for this?

If you are unable to provide anything other than circumstantial evidence, you must understand that your argument is not very strong.

>>134519690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8
A species that starts near a geological formation(such as a mountain) that would block their current existence evolves on either side of the formation. As the species evolves to better live in the differing environments which exist on different sides of the formations, their genetic code becomes more distant from the original. Eventually, when the descendants of that original species meet, they are now unable to breed, even though they are able to breed with their neighboring fauna. The genetic material is too different both ways to support reproduction.

>>134512506
Behind every fag is a child molestor

>>134519764
We are a small segment of the population. Leave us in peace and we will benefit society.

>>134519962
i know science isn't god. god is part of science, 'knowledge without imagination is barren'.

>>134520068
Not according to the leftist gays that I talk to, but I don't find such practices acceptable. You can hate on the culture that causes high STD transmission rates without hating gay men inherently. In my experience, those who cannot separate the concept are often ones who justify their lifestyle with their identity.

>>134519623

I hate to cite kikipedia but their list of the individual aberrations in the central nervous system between the homosexual mean and the base mean of the population is the most extensive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_and_sexual_orientation

>>134519944
That's right, blame the freaks when the welfare state destroys families. This is how the communists take control.

>>134519962
Perhaps.

But science seems more reasonable to believe in since you can perform the experiments or do similar studies and so on to verify a claim.

Believing in dusty old books or scriptures based fairytales doesn't seem as reasonable.