/pol/ fell for the "NATSOC ISN'T MARXIST SOCIALISM"

>>134393933
Source on that qoute and maybe I'll consider it.

>>134393933

NSDAP was nationalist and hated jewish influence
CCCP was internationalist and was theorized, revolutionized AND RUN by jews

What else do you need to be told?

>>134394051
>spoon feed me and maybe I'll consider it

>>134394081
>the only thing different between these two economic systems is entirely not economic
Helicopter soon.

>>134393933
Two sides of a meatgrinder (holocaust is a very funny word to use when you think about it) meant to remove the primary cultural threats to the formation of Israel and the EU.
I'd helicopter Adolf personally if given the chance.

>>134393933
>>134394051

/pol/ also likes to post another quote where Hitler said that he totally wasn't a socialist. That quote also had no source.
In reality he definitely was pretty socialist and that's the root of his movement but following the Night of the Long Knives he took a turn right (a bit) and focused more on the "national" part of his ideology.

>tfw the nazis forcibly take your business because goring was an autist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Junkers

>>134393933
> Didn't ban private property
> Actually privatized numerous industries
You know, the literal opposite of what communism would do. It's elementary shit that you would know if you weren't a retarded ignorant nigger trying to remain ignorant and thinking that you were better off for it.

>>134395844
>the literal opposite of what communism
I never said communism you dumb ape

>>134394354
burden of proof?

>>134393933
Youll hang too scum. Tread lightly.

>>134395844
Everything else like the type of goods produced, quantity, redistribution, prices was still in the hands of the government. Also of course the guy nominally in charge had to be loyal to the party as well. Nothing outside of the state. Typical collectivism.

It's funny how pol supports butler. Because butler would've killed them all because he didn't allow retards to live.

>>134396021
Do you know what Marxist socialism is?
>>134396276
Do you actually have proof of that? If so, then you're basically admitting that libertarian economic policy is either inferior to Keynesian policy or that Keynesian policy can work very well.

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>>134393933
That quote is by Georg Strasser not our Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler.... he was executed by the NSDAP in the "night of long knives" for saying shit like this

>>134393933
NatSoc has private property, people have money, people can own and operate business.
None of this exists under Marxian Communism.

You're a complete retard.

>>134393933
http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-communism/

>>134393933
He's right. That doesn't mean you "deserve" another's things. He is making a point that exploiting the weak to serve the powerful is just as bad as the state knocking down the successful and giving to the deadbeats.

>>134394354
> https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t653197/

Have fun AnCap faggot. It's funny how much you'll defend capitalism because you love your """freedom""" so much

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>>134393933
The difference is that we are against huge corporations owning the whole nation and all of its currency. That's fucking ridiculous. Unlike commies, we are pro private property and put small businesses first. We also recognize individuality and the importance of science and mathematics. The NSDAP made huge advancements in rocket and computer technology. It's also a movement that allows freedom of religion as long as it doesn't interfere with the greater good.

Why do you feel the need to defend your kike overlords and currency that's not worth the paper it's printed on?

>>134396544
I never said that nazi economy was good. It was what can be called as war economy ("Guns not Butter"). Not very stable and good for any country but of course their situation wasn't normal as they were planning a war of expansion. It was mostly Goering's fault. On the opposite site there was Hjalmar Schacht who wasn't part of the crowd and he urged Hitler to reduce military spending. He's credited with some successes but there's only so much he could do.

>>134393933
>two thousand and seventeen
>still thinking that unchecked capitalism is a good thing
fuck off, retard. Natsoc is a third position, it's not left or right. It's economically centrist.

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>>134396893
That's the one.

>>134396893
>We also recognize individuality

I wouldnt say that, exactly. Individuality is 2nd, maybe 3rd in importance, after nation (race) and family

>>134393933
That was Strasser who said that you fucking retard. But then again what else could I expect from someone who bases their ideology off the of (((Rothbard))).

neck yourself faggot

>>134393933
>implying "Marxist" socialism is real socialism
HURR WE MUST ESTABLISH A UTOPIA WHERE EVERYONE DOES EVERYTHING FOR FOOD AND WATER AND NOONE COMMITS BAD ACTS

>>134396933
>war economy
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-germany-military-expenditure/

CHART 9

1935: 8%
1936: 13%
1937: 13%
1938: 17%
1939: 23%
1940: 38%
1941: 47%
1942: 55%
1943: 61%

>>134393933
Chronic capitalism, wolf power structure based on achievements in favor of the state rather than solid party ranking based on pseudo intellectualism and politics.

They don't expect to equality, in fact they want to improve the better and reduce the lower of society.

>>134396564
Exactly.

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>>134393933
The quote is from one of the Strasser brothers why do you kikes always lie?

>>134397068
You fail to realize that everyone is an individual, and that all individuals make up the nation. Serving the national socialist state is serving your own interests as an individual. Did you read the attached image?

>>134397132
That's the percentage of GDP just so you know.

>>134393933
>>134393933
Natsoc doesn't believe in global proletariat revolution, "end of history" in communism, communal property, or democracy.

And anti-capitalism was originally a right wing and traditional position. Before Jews invented capitalism, europe was run on just price theory, guilds (organized labor), opposition to advertisement or profit seeking, etc.

>>134397312
Yes I am aware pretty funny that only 20 percent of the gdp was spent on war in a 'war economy'

>>134395317
>meant to remove the primary cultural threats to the formation of Israel and the EU.
What are these primary cultural threats?

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>>134393933
>privatize nearly everything
>Marxist

>>134397481
Now compare it to Britain and the US which spent around the same and at the times even more. Soviet Union is out of the equation.

>>134397068
Individuality has to be measured in equal part to the collective. Society isn't comprised of totally unaffiliated individuals who have no vested interest in each other's successes. Nor is society a completely unified organism.

A father as a man is an individual, but within family he belongs to a collective. We have to recognize both of these things and the implications that arise.
Nation is basically the furthest extension from family. We all belong to this hierarchy, and smaller hierarchies within it, but we can only function in this capacity if we're allowed a degree of individuality.

Communists will just sperg out about the greater good of everyone, completely ignoring the individual.
Libertarians will just sperg out about the sacred freedom of the individual, completely ignoring the rest of society.

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>>134397449
>Before Jews invented capitalism, europe was run on just price theory, guilds (organized labor), opposition to advertisement or profit seeking, etc.
Exactly but mouth breathing anclap retards probably don't know that.

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>>134397310
I skimmed it at first, I will admit, but after reading it I understand what you mean by "individuality"

I agree with what you and Hiter said, I just hate the form of individualism spewed by our secular society (pic related)

>>134397481
That's a large amount for peacetime. They had twice the percentage of the UK until 1939 when the war started. Then they were retarded and let it increase a lot slower compared to other countries who were going into full mobilization mode until Speer came around.

>>134397481
In 1936 Hitler put Goering in charge of the Four Year Plan and moved Germany away from the free market. The means of production weren't nationalized but everything else around it was as I already said. It fails just like all others.

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>>134397746
Any form of this sacred "individualism" will lead to that eventually. If material things are put above racial soul, culture and civilisation you are left with decline.

Because germany had an actually decent economy, as proof just look at the eastern European countries, all are still recovering from communism under the USSR, the same USSR germany almose defeated with virtually no help, does that sound like a communist country to you?

The NSDAP also allowed you to have private property and respected much of your rights as an individual.

"CHAPTER XV: THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENCE
After we had laid down our arms, in November 1918, a policy was
adopted which, as far as man could foretell, was bound to lead gradually to
our complete subjugation."

-"Mein Kampf" Stalag translation page 754

https://endchan.xyz/.media/a18332e643d7cb83515627b693496fc0-applicationpdf

>>134397660
Screenshotted, thank you anon

National socialism allows for private property and free enterprise, for one; for two NatSoc is pro-family, pro-traditionalism, protectionist, moralist and advocates class collaboration. For three it's nationalist rather than internationalist.

>>134393933

>muh nazism is marxism meme

fuck off crowder, the night of long knives happened for a reason.

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>>134397862
Yes they shouldn't have employed men in a time of economic distress and you are comparing a country which went through economic collapse to a functioning country obviously a few percentage differences is expected
>>134397868
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy

Kraft durch Freude was a part of the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF), the national German labour organization at that time. Set up as a tool to promote the advantages of National Socialism to the people, it soon became the world's largest tourism operator of the 1930s

It was quite successful up until the outbreak of World War II. By 1934, over two million Germans had participated on a KdF trip; by 1939 the reported numbers lay around 25 million people.

25 MILLION PEOPLE ON FREE HOLIDAYS TO MADAGASCAR BOY MUST BE A FAILING ECONOMY THERE

>>134397872
Indubitably.

>>134397868
Maybe I should put it better. III Reich was never about free market economy and even the so-called private ownership came with a huge asterisk but Hitler was no economist. Some people around him like Goebbels were definitely left leaning while moderates like Schacht and Von Papen were sided.

>>134396276
>goods produced, quantity, redistribution, prices was still in the hands of the government
You'd prefer those things to be in the hands of a cabal of unaccountable extra-governmental private interests who end up controlling the state as well as the markets?

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>>134398120
>III Reich was never about free market economy and even the so-called private ownership came with a huge asterisk but Hitler was no economist
Are you all actually retarded? Germany was a free market country with private property please read a book and like I said until you remove the economical curtain on your eyes you will be serving foreign interests.

>>134393933
Nice fake quote.

Actual origins of it:
1926 pamphlet called Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future, a Nazi Party member called Gregor Strasser wrote it.

Source: https://archive.fo/12j5Q
This book covers it, and other facets of the Nazi ideology around 1933.
Archived from Google Books.

>>134394051

>>134398120
I don't care about 'left' leaning and 'right' leaning they are all buzz words

>>134397746
>I just hate the form of individualism spewed by our secular society (pic related)
This is the so called rugged individualism(fuck you I do what I want, its none of your business) that is pervasive in the modern world. It is simply the death of social accountability.

AnCaps argue all the time that its okay for someone to be morbidly obese, or a drug addict, because their action as an individual isn't directly harming anyone else. Thats the type of perverse individualism we have rampant here. The issue is that the actions of one person ripple across society. We are all connected in this, culture and society are not merely a tapestry in the background of daily life, they are things that we live, daily life is participation in these.
One morbidly obese man sets a precedent for another, and another, and another, until there is total absolution of group. Trends grow from small numbers, and trends absolutely do impact all of society.

>>134396893
>You as a Fascist stand for the small trader against the chain-store; for the peasant against the usurer; for the nation, great or small, against the super-state; for personal business against Big Business; for the craftsman against the Machine; for the creator against the middleman; for all that prospers by individual effort and creative toil, against all that prospers in the abstract air of High Finance or of the theoretic ballyhoo of Internationalism.
t. Wyndham Lewis

Nationalisation of railways, military production etc. is all a good thing do you want your national security to be put in the hands of private individuals and not the state?

>>134398295
Thanks, man.

>>134398052
Raised the debt by 300% in 1935. Deficit, spending, no wonder Keynes praised them.

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>>134397746
Now that's just degeneracy.

>>134397872
Putting material things above people is called being a selfish prick.

>>134398389
>for the craftsman against the Machine
Especially this. Everything is cookie cutter chinkshit now. I miss the days when I could buy a pair of shoes and have them last more than a year. I miss when just a couple of years ago I could buy computers that wouldn't bend in half or explode. Quality over quantity and low price.

>>134398412
I want ISPs to be nationalized because the only service provider within 20 miles of me is Brighthouse and they suck.

>>134398412
Let's outsource our national security to China and Israel, what could go wrong?

>>134398387
What you said is the breakdown of Herd Mentality. If one does it, then more will follow. The more people that join, the faster it will grow. Look at the Faggot Revolution across the West these past few years. Do you recall the number of transfaggots that we have today 10 years ago? Even 5?

No, and that's because it's become socially acceptable to do so. We know it's a hoax, it's not natural at all, but because a few people came up with it and it's supported by the (((media))), then more are following suit

That's why I am cautious about indiviudalism, or at least the rugged individualism that you have stated. Because it always leads to social corruption, look at Rome! Rome was in major decline, not because of it's economy, but because of it's drunken citizens doing what they wanted because there were no consequences for their actions as they had no morals.

>>134398756
Definetly. Jewgle and Kikebook should be the first to go.

>>134398752
Debt to whom faggot I am surprised people still make the debt argument

>>134393933

"No Jews"

>>134396379
You have a point.

>>134398756
All the product of globalism. My oven from East Germany (yes i know) was probably 25 years old when it stopped working properly. Compare that to all the chinese and korean shit.

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>>134393933
>no niggers
I mean, residency only and no marrying our women policy but the national socialist African states that never came to be due to Germany losing would have had the same policy towards outsiders
Desu senpai

>>134396379
>>134399066
Hi /leftypol/

>>134398802
This is the sort of thing we see when a society no longer cares for duty and responsibility. People are so disconnected from one another that they feel no sense of belonging to something greater than themselves. That in itself is an incredibly insidious thing. Thats the sort of mindset that argues in defense of degeneracy in the name of individual freedom. If you don't genuinely care for your neighbor why care about them self sabotaging? If you don't have any sense of community why care if people down the road are overdosing on opioids?

Fascist and NatSoc viewpoints don't accept these things. Our ideology is concerned with promoting the best outcomes for our people, and that keeps society moral and functioning.

>>134399538
This is exactly why I'm no longer a Libertarian (amongst other reasons obviously). Responsibility, Fellowship, and Honor (oh Lord, especially honor) cannot and will not survive in a secular-individual first society.

>>134398862
I've been using Startpage/Startmail on a Libreboot laptop with Fedora Linux for close to 6 years now. I haven't used Facebook since 2011. I'm absolutely done with corporatism shitting all over me.

>>134399105
>My oven from East Germany (yes i know)
Medium kek.

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>>134394081
So, you are saying that time machines aren't necessary for time travel, in your own mind? Or that once a prevalent force against an opposing party that doesn't exist anymore was important and that that logic still applies to today, even without the two previous parties mentioned being extant in contemporary society?

>>134398003
To silence critics to the regime, in order to propose that, after all is said and done, Hitler and his party would instate every whim in Mein Kampf as if it were preliminary fact? Huh. Bet a secret police is good for stifling dissent if those whims aren't followed through entirely.

>>134400611
>libertarians imagine some Orwell society
Not surprised.

>>134400764
Sure, I implicitly trust secret police death squads.

>>134399879
I was a Lolbert myself when I was in my early 20s. I was big into politics coming out of high school, and I got into a young Republicans party. I first really learned about ol Ron Paul in maybe the 2004 election cycle, and I supported him in the 2008 election where I registered as a Libertarian.
Attending Libertarian meetings it always stood out to me exactly what kind of people were there beside me. It wasn't conservatives, it was various Left leaning people with other political affiliations like the Green party. Things got really bad in 2012 with the political climate continually shifting and it became clear to me that I couldn't ever truly identify with these people.

>>134400611

Hey, you want a functioning society, you can't have a fifth column of socially lefty faggots ruining the minds of the populace, you can scoff all you want but lolberal democracy is why we have this much of a problem in our society with degeneracy, low birth rates, and dindus run amok in the first place.

>>134401042
>muh degeneracy
>muh dindus
>muh white genocide
Can you stick to the point? We're talking about National Socialism being a collectivist wank-fest, over something that could have evolved into a Manchurian Candidate stricken overlord scenario, where you and your grandma would have to kowtow to a guy with a mustache who eventually failed in taking over Europe, which was his only visible pursuit, past talk. Or else be arrested. Fuck that. You want to be cucked, politically? You want to be cucked individually? That's pathetic.

>>134401349

Yeah and you're missing the point that collectivism insofar as it pertains to nationalism and tribal identity is the only functional form of society. If it's not abundantly clear to you by now that your precious multi-cultural rainbow coalition of muh freedoms is a bunch of back biting retards that can't manage a functioning nation you have no place discussing politics with adults.

>>134393933
>other than "no niggers"
not needed

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>>134401349
Kek, black plague gets. Gotta love em.

>>134401457
They shouldn't be managing a nation, BRO. Did I say that they should? No. I think they should be left to drown in their own sputum, if that's their choice. In political office, we shouldn't have these kinds of people. No shit, sherlock.

>>134401619

And how do you propose to stop them from gaining power if you cannot actively search them out and put them to death?

>>134401735
I simply don't believe in putting people to death on account of the public's laziness.

>>134393933
Poisoning the well: The thread.

>>134401619

you have very few options, you can either eliminate the welfare state to prevent them arriving on your shores in the first place, politically disenfranchise women who overwhelmingly vote for such policies, or you can eliminate the problem in a more direct manner.

>>134393933
Beautiful thread here. Actually learned some things. The big problem is that once Obama got into office, all the little Natsoc governments everywhere were just sucked into the globalist left like they were never anything but. Hitler is dead. I mean, no matter how you look at it - he was killed in the name of Freedom by communists and capitalists in a joint frenzy. He lost his propaganda war, and that's what counts. Natsoc keeps losing that same propaganda war over and over and over again. How does that get changed?

>>134401912
Right now it's just bouncing back and forth. Women have it great under a Democrat leader. Everything is handed to them, they just sit back and enjoy. If I was a woman, I would vote Democrat.

>>134402091

So you see the problem with women being given political autonomy, you cannot have a functioning society when the majority of it's voter's entire interest is based on emotional thinking and the endless quest for gibes me dats.

>>134401901
Not really. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
>>134401912
I'd opt for the non-lazy option of obliterating the welfare state, and targeting women, not by death squads, but with educational tools, to assist them in political sense.

>>134402524

Yes, but why not have death squads for commies if you can have them, I mean this is a no brainer. Fuck I would love that job.

>>134402574
Id rather have gulags

>>134393933
Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles livestock

>>134402664

Why though, if you let them live people might think you have some sort of borderline tolerance for it, also, are you going nazbol on me?

>>134402524

Also, the implication that the average woman is capable of political sense, and will not just elect the next person to offer to reinstate welfare is frankly retarded, and ignores everything we know about female behavioral patterns from science. It is the height of folly to mistake a woman for a responsible member of society.

>>134402574
Commies? You mean those mustached losers who couldn't even bat a fly out of the air? Who is concerned with them? Commies are adverse to globalism too, are they not? It's the globalists that are fucking over our interests, not commies. Commies are basically, harmless, until they have enough support for a "revolution", and I don't see that happening with the loads of egregious retards being lambasted 24/7 by both sides of the political fence, for being un-patriotic, boorish, losers, with a chip on each individual shoulder. Even I don't want individuals like that, but if they are merely an annoying nuisance, I don't care. They can be annoying. They won't gain enough of a following to be a threat. I mean, the closest thing to a commie (other than a tried and true one) is the common SJW; and these people aren't a threat- not at least without being directed. They are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is globalist influence. International trade would work fine and dandy if those purveyors of evil ($ grubbers) didn't blockade everything and everyone who wanted to make their own living doing whatever they want. I don't like hierarchies. The higher rungs of aristocracy always keep the lower rungs down, and it's always by design. Fuck that.

>>134402960
If they needed welfare to begin with, the state has failed.

>>134403149

if by adverse to globalism you mean, masturbate to it constantly because it means endless diversity, then yes. as for my concern with them, it is that they will continue to be a larger and larger problem until they are dealt with, people are unhappy with the current system whether you acknowledge that or not, and given no viable alternative other than communism it is inevitable that in the fullness of time they will have their way. At least we can agree that the disease is globalism, but if you were to take the model of a disease, communists are it's infectious cysts, prone to spreading it's message and infecting the innocent, they must be excised and cleansed to prevent continued predation.

>>134403263

Women never needed welfare, consider what you know of women, they tend to be empathetic, see themselves as kind, and act on maternal instinct, even when they are a retarded bitch these things underpin their morality, men know that logic, reason, sacrifice, and violence are what keep the engines of our societies running. Women, understand none of that, other than that those poor people over there are suffering.

>>134402152
In the end it's how it goes. In order for them to be 'satisfied', society has to be lobotomized - purposefully stunted. Men just naturally excel in a natural and free society. We aren't just better fighters, we're better - on average and as a whole - at everything. I don't see women being disenfranchised, though.

>>134403679

We must disenfranchise them ourselves, it will take some effort, but it will be worth that effort to see mankind's course in history not driven into the dark ages by breeding stock with opinions.

>>134395560
Meh. I always liked the Italian Facism better.

By your own logic, you almost seem to agree with them. Communism is "inevitable". I don't believe that. I believe their system of governance and economics has been severely damaged and will never leave the ground. Yes, their propaganda should be excised, with counter-ops to invalidate them, and because it's so easy, good. The world needs burger flippers and commies make for your typical intake. Plus diversity (in goods) is a good thing. I'll state that diversity in the sense of ethnicity, that's definitely subject for debate, because there is reckless immigration and terrible cause for the pursuit- and it's not because of commies, it's because of liberalism run amok. It's because of politicos, and bankers and businessmen wanting to cash in on more immigrant work, so they can increase turnover in their filthy companies. I am quite adverse to their nature. But those aren't commies, i'm worried about. They are globalists.

>>134403938

You forgot one part of what I said, communism is inevitable, given no viable alternative, one viable alternative is to kill communists.

>>134403779
Sadly they do control too much of the vote. I get your feels, though. The mistake was giving them the vote in the first place. In this case it's like unbreaking an egg. If it ever comes up for a vote, I'll vote with you - for sure, but in the mean time it's a nasty propaganda war. Right now we're unhappy. In 8 years we'll be tripping in pussy and great OC while women are hating it and struggling their asses off to get back to where we are today. When they was kangs! The sad part is, we'll be so happy that we won't have any real fight in us left to hang on, while they will be pulling out all the stops.

>>134403483
True, but they cannot always been in subservience, it simply wouldn't work. You need woman to avoid a complete gendercide. Hence, you need woman to cooperate with politics, in some fashion, otherwise, then THEY fuckin' revolt. That's no good. Not to mention the fact that, hey, sometimes they don't have a husband or kids; should they be in control by their father or something? Fuck that.

>>134403779
And here's the thing... When they pull out all the stops, it makes us really fucking happy. We're weak between the legs, and proud of it.

>>134404132

you have chains and a radiator at home, consent is not necessary to continue the species.

>>134404132
Only when we have transcended this reality and managed to transfer our consciousnesses into our own little worlds inside some alternate reality where we can do whatever the fuck we want whenever the fuck we want will things ever really get better.

>>134404054
That sounds like commie talk to me. You sound just like them, to me. Stop them (or in Pol Pot's terms, "kill them") or else the evil bourgeoisie will stomp out the proletariat.

>>134404279

There is a difference however, I am in favor of a functioning capitalist society, which would not be merely a shell game played by jews and the women dumb enough to listen to them. That is the difference.

>>134393933
Fascism is good and does not require socialism anything, just nationalism

>>134404054
Communism simply doesn't work. Most of the work in any company is done by a small handful of highly skilled and overworked people. If they don't get special treatment, they will quit and go someplace else. It's not complicated. When that happens, everything starts to crumble.

>>134404196
Now you know you're just LARPing, right?
>>134404245
Transhumanism? Well, I think death is a preferable option. But thanks anyway. You can go for it, if you want. Be like one of those AIs that control one of mega-corporations.

>>134404452

I never said it would be pleasant or functional when communism arises, that is why they have to die.

>>134404507
That's the thing. Enough of us will go that people like you can die off in peace in relative harmony.

>>134404507

No, you are larping, you claim to want to protect your country and live in a free society, but that society never even existed, and you are teetering on the brink of self destruction because of your fairy tale land of responsible human beings with little to no leadership but still keep mumbling to yourself about how everything will work out fine as long as we don't change course, as long as we don't do what it will take to destroy the traitors in our midst and put mankind's course to right. You are the larper sir, because you pretend to be a patriot but you would not even change an unmanageable bitch in your basement to prevent them from voting for more gibes which is one of the biggest reasons your lolbertarian wet dream is dying. You are all bark and no bite, all the fucking time, forever.

>>134404380
WTF. Hey, that's what I want to. Only with out the eventual decimation of the species for the sake of keeping woman in their place. You realize that in a capitalist society, your chained up to a radiator idea won't work, right? You'll see a return to the slave trade, before any of your vision becomes truly viable. Otherwise, you'll just see a half-functioning capitalist society, because half of the potential capital will be chained up.

>>134404527
I like the general concept behind Anarcho Syndicalism - even if I disagree with their final idealism. I don't think that it's possible for communism to exist without being torn down from the inside. All authority should be constantly questioned and removed wherever it's found that they have no viable purpose. I feel this way about all authoritarianism, though. The Anarcho Syndicalists seem to only think about it when it comes to authoritarianism that doesn't directly support their ideology.

>>134404721

Women are a source of more functional workers, not capital, forgetting this is why our society is on the brink of collapse in the first place. as far as half goes it's actually only .77 of a man per worker if the propaganda coming out of their side is to be believed and we'll be fine without that.

>>134394354
>implying socialism combined with nationalism is bad

AnCap meme needs to die

>>134404838
Women in the workplace don't add more consumers. It simply makes it so 2 people have to work instead of 1.

>>134404701
Your theory smacks of hypocrisy from the bottom up, however. Free society? Was Poland "freed" by the National Socialists? No. They weren't. Their nation, and thus nationality, was tinged with the blight of a foisted military takeover.
>>134404596
I'm fine with that.

>>134404946

That's what I was saying, women are there to shit out kids not work, and any implication to the contrary is just being a fucking retard considering their effect on society as independent agents.

>>134404954
>I'm fine with that.

Yeah, that's how I meant it. It's win/win.

>>134404954

Poland denied germany territory it requested back post war, so germany showed them why they needed to shut their faggot mouths and give them their land back, to the victor go the spoils.

>>134404701
Libertarians believe in telling people what not to do more than they believe in doing anything themselves.

>>134393933
nigger

>>134404997
Everybody wants, though. To them men have it great and they want to experience what it is to be male. Their jealousy and conceit poison their minds. The problem is that they don't actually ever experience what it is to be male. They experience what it's like to hold someone back and larp for a while, at the expense of society as a whole. It's very sad.

Sieg geil https://youtu.be/ZrAfMDAqzLg

>>134404838
You realize the economy will not stand up to such a population boon. You're hopeless if you don't realize this. Even China is unstable, and they have their "one child policy".

>>134405078
Depends on the Libertarian. Some Libertarians only want to work hard and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Authoritarians have a tendency to shit all over that, which is where the problems start.

>>134405166

which is precisely why we need to simply disregard their wishes and remove their say in the matter, it is of no use to try and concede to their demands and has put western society on the path to extinction.

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>>134394354
The quote is talking about completely unrestrained capitalism, you kike.
Remember to sage slide threads.

>>134395317
>I'd helicopter Adolf personally if given the chance.
I know it's summer but don't cut yourself on the edge, newfag.

>>134405242

well then I guess we're gonna need some lebensraum aren't we chief. Mexico and canada need to be punished for their disrespect anyway,

>>134393933
No niggers and Mexicans is the most important part tho
Better to live with all whites in a Marxist setting then the current situation which is psuedomarxist and spic nigger

>>134405266
Sadly, what we need to do and what we can do are typically 2 different things. Need more propaganda :D. Get enough people thinking this way, and it will happen :D.

>>134405053
"To the victor go the spoils"
Except for Poland. No, in this case...
>complain
>when you don't get their spoils delivered back to Germany
>Exterminate out of deformed malice from wincing so hard

>>134405166
How Freudian of you to say.

>>134396809
>...you'll defend capitalism because you love your """freedom""" so much

Can't tell if this is how actual natsoc think, or if this is just some jew with a swatstika pulling a psyop, or just a troll.

Regardless, faggotry is afoot.

>>134405410

Hey, All I'm saying is that Germany was courteous enough to ask nicely first before fucking poland in the ass for not acknowledging it's own inferiority.

>>134405324
Nah, I'd prefer to not collapse the world into nuclear dreams.

>>134393933


National Socialist fought against the Communists.

What are you talking about?

>>134405532

I know, but your argument was stupid anyway so I thought I'd provide an equally stupid argument.

>>134402524
>and targeting women, not by death squads, but with educational tools, to assist them in political sense.
You are so naive. Some people will stay convinced that black is white and white is black no matter how much education they are given. This is also leaving out some (((people))) who don't care about doing the right thing in the first place.

>>134405496
You can't possibly believe that, but have at it, Shecks. The inferior party was the one who lost. To the victor go the spoils, as you've said. Good luck.

>>134399879
>Responsibility, Fellowship, and Honor

Dear God, we have the fedora tipping faggots on the left and jackasses like you on the right.

I'm so glad we have guns in America so we can shoot you faggots when you try to pull shit.

>>134405603
Oh so that's what this has resorted to now. Name-calling, I called it. I knew you were a Jew. LOL

>>134405445
Freud was a smart man.

>>134405660

ah, is that why conservatives in america have been losing ground for 50 years, good to know.

>>134405688

yea, calling an idiot an idiot makes me a jew, good job mr. sheckelberg, you sure got me.

>>134393933
Fascinating from the perspective of somebody who isn't blinded by "le markets will fix everything" and recognize how fucked trillionaire jews are.

>>134405622
A core of voters actually do know that white is white, and black is black - they simply pretend otherwise because it's in their best interests. Women aren't honest, pure, or good. That's just propaganda.

>>134402524
>educate
>women
God, you really are just an autistic liberal.

>>134405748

Yeah, cause (((le communism))) will fix everything, right guys?

>>134405794


This is why I'm just making fun of him now.

>>134405622
Try for it. No one wants to live in your world.
>>134405734
>sans argument
>you're probably a reeling jew.
What can I say, I call it like I see it.
>>134405712
The conservatives in America are garnered by the Neocon fucktarded, whom simply think they are conservative. You can thank globalism for that one, too.

>>134405770
Neither are men, by that standard. Both genders regularly vote against reason, for the sake of their own interests; but they also fight for them as well. How many times was Hitler nearly assassinated? Some, please, do tell.

>>134405942

yeah and guess who is going to continue to have their hands up those guys' asses for the foreseeable future so long as you keep being a liberal pussy?

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>>134405770
>they simply pretend otherwise because it's in their best interests
This is also correct. I'm talking about the kind of people who, despite all evidence against them, continue to be very Liberal. People that say "mainstream media is trustworthy", or "Trump is colluding with Russia". People that stare, open mouthed, when the IQ and crime rates of minorities is exposed; but instead of feeling disgust at the minorities, they feel disgust at the facts.
>>134405942
Not an argument.

>>134393933
One has private property and allows enterpreneurship, the other one does not.

>>134393933
Fake news

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

>>134405794
Because I said you can educate women? I'd wager that the instance of higher scoring in academia is probably contrived, somewhat, but nevertheless, shows that women can be quite educated and trained. It's just their political sense is marred by emotionality and neurotransmitters of the nurturing variety.
>>134405846
You've already railroaded your arguments into petty shit like, "keep teh wimminz locked to a radiator" to even try and prove a point...which you've failed at, spectacularly.

>>134406208

No, I was already making fun of you by that point, because you're stupid enough to think that women can be responsible or logical politically, there is no option for saving the west that does not include the political disenfranchisement of the weaker, dumber sex, end of story.

>>134406044
Actually, yes it is, gormtard. You haven't provided a retort yet that postulates an argument, however.
>>134406036
Not me. I don't contribute to such tyranny.

>>134406274
You're world will depopulate, idiot. Woman will just as easily off themselves, especially coming off of this "new world". You'd have to erase their access to any history, for them to not revolt...even then, it's highly unlikely that they don't. Besides that, even if they don't, if you use them for baby factories, you'll overpopulate, and you won't have the capital to cover it. Jeez, it's almost like you inherently want communism to occur.

>>134393933
NS sees hierachy as natural and good.
It see the rules of merchants as a false hierachy.
Marxism sees equality as natural and good.

>>134406455

If you don't know your economics, don't talk about economics, I have to explain this to communists too.

>>134406315
It isn't at all. It's the same as me saying "no one wants to live in your Libertarian world". You aren't a very smart man, are you. The U.S started off quite similar to what Libertarians want. Because it was weak and put too much trust in the people, it devolved into what we have now. It's right to put trust into people, but not as much as you are willing to give them. Too much freedom is not a good thing.

*Your
I can't keep up with the refuting your bullshit, my fingers don't wanna fing correctly.

>>134406520
Not an argument. Literally, the opposite of an argument. As a statement of fact, that post also falls flat. You do not understand the words that are coming outta my mouth (so to speak).

>>134398295
>Gregor Strasser
Who was killed during the night of the long knives for being a marxist socialist.

FUCKING NECK YOURSELF LIBERTARIAN.
Holy shit you guys are stupid.

>>134406534
You have no capability to know where to draw the line, though. Sorry. Your plot will simply falter all the same, every time. And it was an argument. The argument is "the world won't wantt o live in your world." You can call it a shitty one, it's not inherently anything more than a readily devised postulate for you to chew on, because you hadn't contributed to this discussion yet, and I don't give a fuck about what you were saying.

>>134406651

I understand that you have a fundamental understanding of economics if you consider a group that primarily engages in service industry jobs to be integral to it and an increase in the piopulace to be inherently detrimental to economic growth. The reason that current population growth is negative is because it's primarily among non productive groups like niggers and spics, meanwhile if you had people actually capable of starting businesses and engaging in activities that lend themselves to a robust economy (I.E. not women, spics, and niggers) you would likely have a much better economy than you do today. Hell, most of the jobs women do will be replaced by robots outside of teaching women's studies and gold digging in the coming century anyway. Why pretend there's any merit to your argument at all?

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>>134406820
>the world won't wantt o live in your world.
The majority of people lived happily in Nazi Germany though. It's not an argument.
>and I don't give a fuck about what you were saying.
Proving my point here.
>>134405622

>>134393933
I don't give a shit how you've defined national socialist. Since what we're really talking about is the Nazis we'll address them directly rather than talking about some abstract ideology. Nazi economic system was effectively crony capitalism, which could also be referred to as national capitalism as it respects private property, the ability to accrue wealth and use it to accrue more. Main difference between that and what the US haves for instance is that there was more government favoritism and also more cooperation with the government on the part of corporations. Corporativism also factored in. The idea of grouping together labor, government and business as separate cohesive bodies and interfacing as wholes. This is kind of collectivist but still doesn't work as a true socialist economic system. The way this was expressed was pretty much through government sanctioned and sponsored labor unions and stuff.

It's also important to remember that the Nazis took control during a depression and entered a war before a recovery happened. Even using their definitely-not-socialist economic plans as an example is misleading because of the circumstances. Hell,itwasnt much more extreme than the United States at the time, which wasn't hurt as badly by the depression anyway. Hitler and the Nazis used socialist rhetoric and terminology because they were populists and not for ideological reasons. You have to remember than at the time Germany was like a fifth communist, two fifths socialist and two fifths conservatives of different sorts. Nazis were drawing in large part from both the socialist and conservative parts once they took power. They pandered the same way Trump panders to the tea party and religious right despite having little in common with them

>>134406824
You haven't even introduced "machines", until now. Machines change the NatSoc ideology, intrinsically. Who does needs to be productive in such a society, for the sake of the economy, then? No one. So no one needs be shackled, ideally. Though, no one really knows what this kind of automated world would do to man's psyche. And service industry jobs are only there to offer robustness. They aren't integral to the economy, and I never said that. I said that it's good that there are jobs for losers, essentially. More capital. Plus, an increase to the populace? no, i said, "an overpopulation"; due to demand. Unless you're going to advocate for a policy on how many children one can produce? Deal? What's your answer?

>>134393933

>socialism = marxism

this is why no one take you autists seriously, even my dick has more political and economical education

>>134407127

I'm bored with you so I'm just going to say that white women must produce a minimum of 4 children by their 30th birthday or be shot, other women get shanked for having any, also benis :DDDDDDDDDDDD

>>134406981
Your point is facetious, at best.

>>134407254
Alright, child.

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>>134393933
Hitler couldn't have been all that bad. After all, he literally killed Hitler.

>>134407223
Indeed, Marxism and Socialism and Communism and all these things are all different things. No shit. Yet, they are all conveniently tied together, not only by Marxist ilk, but by conservative ideologues as well.

>>134393933
There is nothing wrong with that quote. Capitalism is a disgusting system which has created poverty for millions, validated the need for mass immigration and has reduced cultures to little more than commodities. Also, Hitler hated Marx, which is one of the reasons he wasn't enthusiastic about a relationship with the Soviet Union.

>>134407339

put it in your butt and then see if I care you faggot homogay.

>>134407305
You aren't doing much to prove it wrong. Dodging it and calling it not an argument only works if I don't actually bring an argument to the table. Here's a way you can prove me wrong: if you can convince every super die hard Liberal you argue with, including people like Soros, that you are correct, then you win. My point is that there is no fucking way to do that, and that's why Libertarianism will always fail or result in what we have now. Some people are greedy, and some put money and power above ideals and nation. None of you can agree on what specific action violates the NAP. You can't even agree on self defense laws, the most basic right of any person. If you can't even agree on shit among yourselves, how will such a dysfunctional society work? I'd rather have what we have now than fucking warlords battling and shooting up my house.

>>134407633
This. You can criticize late stage capitalism without thinking marxism is the answer to it.

>>134393933
>>134394354
That was Strasser, idiot.

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>>134405301
Yeah, Hoppe really never did explain "physical removal". I mean, I think what he meant about fags makes it pretty clear-that they just need to keep that shit to themselves. Also, not too clear about the whole Jewish thing (question, if you prefer)-if they are a nation, do they live separately as part of the capitalist pluricultural system, or are they a religion, and hence are not free to publicly proclaim their anti-capitalist views?

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>>134393933
Fucking retarded nigger

>>134407658
LOL, so you're a faggot asking for some buttpounding, and you're going to take your degeneracy out on me? Ok.
>>134407668
I don't need people to rule over me, while you do. I'm pretty sure that works just as well.

>>134408061
>I don't need people to rule over me, while you do. I'm pretty sure that works just as well.
MegaCorp™ rules you. You don't honestly believe that with all of these globally spanning companies, your society can come to be, do you? All it takes is for the biggest ones to support a certain currency from a certain bank, and you're in an even worse position from before, with no defense against it. Unrestrained capitalism will always end like that. The greedy rule.

>>134407940
Gotta love those Hitler dialectics. Yeah, maybe he's right, maybe socialism can work. Fuck democratic socialism. Let's just go for this brand new socialismo, with no gimmicks. But then you're going to be the next Russia. Unstable, wincing, and ready to coordinate with internationals for the sake of trade, or accept war; because that is what'll drive the economy. And who said capitalism was great, amirite.

>>134408279
I am against monopolization...get it? hehehe Megacorp doesn't rule me more than it rules you. We both want to see to it that that is done away with. So I see no real argument here, still.

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>>134393933
This pretty much sums it up.
Hitler's socialism wasn't marxist socialism.

>>134408493
Might as well just gulag, behead, or mass deport, the lower classes. Inferior scum.

>>134401494
The plague was actually awesome for Europe, economically and politically. Broke the back of feudalism, higher demand for labor with less supply meant that landowners had to compete for laborers.

>>134408408
>I am against monopolization...get it? hehehe Megacorp doesn't rule me more than it rules you. We both want to see to it that that is done away with. So I see no real argument here, still.
>I am
Libertarians seem to have this inflated sense of self importance. It doesn't matter what you want. Things can happen without you wanting them to. Economic crashes happen in hyper capitalistic societies quite often. Monopolization can happen in a Libertarian society - it's happened before, quite often in fact. Robber Barons price fixing with no one else able to compete.
>Megacorp doesn't rule me more than it rules you
In my society, MegaCorp can't exist, in yours, it can. If you push for AnCap or Libertarianism before large corporations stop existing, you go right back to being slaves to the bank.

>>134408950
Lots of Jews were exterminated too, so there's that too. But yeah, I know. Sometimes humans can reap rewards out of struggle, oddly enough...even if it isn't totally contrived.
>>134409053
I am not even 100% on corporations. I liken my ideal economy to function on individually owned companies. Incorporation is something i'd be extremely weary of; and the only reason they'd even be relevant is as a means of competition against other nations.

>>134409537
>I liken my ideal economy to function on individually owned companies
Once again, you by yourself can't do shit against massive corporations. It doesn't matter what you want, or what you'd be careful of. The flaw of Libertarianism is that it counts on every member of society to agree with every other member of society in a reasonable and logical way, and that it trusts that everyone wants what's good for society. A Libertarian society would be paradise if humans were a hive mind, same as communism. The fact remains that we are not though. Libertarianism leaves people unsatisfied. The Socialists and Communists were getting support for a reason, anon.

>>134409903
>A Libertarian society would be paradise if humans were a hive mind
Same can be said for National Socialism. NatSoc leaves no room for people to disagree on anything, because under it's ideal system it's assumed that if you don't do what is "required" (by the highest rungs of society, the elite) then you are "sanitized". Hence, there is no room for agreement beyond what the head of the nation says. Now that's a hivemind. One that will be fought against at every turn. Simply the inverse of communism, yet, ironically, still an undoing of common values of freedom, and liberty, which allows for the most common good to be achieved, that is, without whole-sale imprisonment, or slaughter. Like I said before, try for it. Go ahead. You're gonna have to have a nudda Shoah first, to succeed. But then, you already eliminated the capstone and crux of necessity that is the common enemy, which validates National Socialism's existence to begin with; at least at the level that most NatSoc's espouse.

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>>134410389
>One that will be fought against at every turn.
It wasn't. People thrived under the system, and most liked it simply for that fact. Some didn't like it, but they were free to leave.
>still an undoing of common values of freedom, and liberty
What are these values specifically? Germany allowed guns, self defense, protected citizens, and did much else. Are you talking about free speech then? I'd prefer not to repeat the same mistakes that the U.S did. People freely abuse the Liberty they are given. They'll abuse it under your system too. Even NatSocs will, because who are you to stop me? Stopping abuse of freedom is authoritarian, something that goes completely against your NAP.
pic related mentions such problems, among others.

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>>134393933
>I haven't read Mein Kampf
>I haven't read the Party Programme
>I haven't read Nazi Sozi
>I haven't read Communist with the Mask Off
>here's why National Socialism is wrong

itt: uneducated children

>>134410735
Freedom is not something that can be abused. It is something that can only be disabused, or taken away, or given. Freedom is release from bondage. One cannot foist freedom onto anyone. One must take freedom for one's self.

>>134411608
>Freedom is not something that can be abused
Read the image.

>something that goes completely against your NAP
No, it doesn't. If you want to disabuse me of my freedom, you're free to try, but you try and take it from me, and the NAP has been lifted, after your dismissal of it.

>>134411679
National Socialism is certainly not a republic. But i'll do more than glean over it, later. Take my word for it. Thanks for the info.

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>>134393933
You have the right to private property under national socialism.

>>134411766
>take my word for it
I won't. That's why I'm a Nazi. I simply don't trust you to do that for some nazi guy on a Lebanese finger painting forum, and even then, every Libertarian I've talked to has been too stubborn to admit when they are wrong, once more circling back to
>>134405622. I think that Libertarians are simply too trusting of others.

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>>134411837
You don't want lying cocksuckers as your leader, so stop democratic representation, then no more swindling, right? Just everyone decide on a leader, yeah, that'll go over well. Everyone will certainly agree on SOMEONE, afterall, they have to. And that someone they appoint to ultimate power in their nation, those people won't do anything dictatorial to stay in power. NAH.

>>134393933
>>ancraps still dont understand basic economics
did the nazis seize the means of production and made them public owned?

>>134411984
You want me to read it all now, and give you my disquisition on how your idealistic notions are childish? Ok.

>too barbaric, downright fascist, and worst...sin: Authoritarian.
That thick and overly verbose diatribe is lovely speech writing. Too bad it invalidates the very ideals it espouses in it's own words.

>>134394354
You won't do anything, neckbeard

>>134412054
Actually, yes. Stormcuck btfo.

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>>134393933
Awwww, little ankike faggot -- you couldn't even Google first to find out if Hitler really said that, and not Gregor Strasser?

SAD!

Strasser was a Bolshevik Hitler purged in the Night of Long Knives, as a traitor and a commie. Nice try though, shills. Keep trying:

mavroskrinos.blogspot.com/2015/08/gregor-strasser-thoughts-about-tasks-of.html

Just to make sure everyone else knows this too:
>>134394051 >>134394081 >>134395317 >>134395560 >>134395844 >>134396197 >>134396564 >>134396604 >>134396728 >>134396738 >>134396893 >>134396955 >>134397071 >>134397098 >>134397163 >>134397305 >>134397449 >>134397570 >>134398003 >>134398295 >>134399006 >>134399317 >>134401480 >>134401901 >>134401920 >>134402769 >>134404442 >>134405152 >>134405342 >>134405538 >>134405748 >>134406084 >>134406108 >>134406503 >>134407036 >>134407223 >>134407497 >>134407633 >>134407804 >>134407940 >>134408493 >>134410798 >>134411837 >>134412054

>>134412715
Thanks, man. Think this was mentioned but you did a more thorough job.

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>>134412054
>did the nazis seize the means of production and made them public owned?
No, they privatized all the previously state-owned industries.

>>134412652
>Actually, yes. Stormcuck btfo.
lol pic related, enjoy your BTFO faggot

>>134412799
> doesn't say to whom they sold it to
> doesn't mention the fact they installed their party cronies in there
Keep dreaming americuck.

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>>134412930
https://pastebin.com/wV97RYQT

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And just to dispel all the other myths kikes and cucks constantly repeat around here:

>Hitler's claim to have eliminated unemployment is a LIE, he cheated by removing women and kikes from the albor force! It was fake employment!

Kikes were less than 1% of the German population at ~500,000, so removing them was insignificant in terms of labor statistics. Women were already a tiny minority of the labor force, as staying at home was the norm world-wide for women back then, and Hitler only reduced their number by 10% from 1933 to 1945. His labor miracle was real (pic related)

>>134412930
>americuck.
lol @ mountain kike.

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Another myth:

>Hitler's economy was dependent on constant war!
>They were in excessive debt, forcing them to go war!
>They were a war-mongering philosophy, forcing them into perpetual war!
>etc, etc, etc

German GDP and GNP growth was actually harmed, not helped, by the outbreak of war in 1939. Their debt was a constantly shrinking percentage of their growing GDP, thus proving that the debt was nominal and not a cause for war. The reality of Hitler's economic miracle also proves that Hitler meant it when he said he didn't prefer war to the many offers of peace he made the decade beforehand:

>his first offer of May 17, 1933,
>his second offer of December 18, 1933,
>his third offer of May 21, 1935,
>his fourth offer of March 31, 1936,
>his fifth offer of September 30, 1938,
>his sixth offer of December 6, 1938,
>his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally,
>his offer of world peace on October 6, 1939, just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).
>The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain. This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace.

Multiple offers of peace, even when he had the upper hand, even when his generals protested, but people like Churchill were the property of the Jewish bankers that bought their debt, or held their countries hostage in other ways. Hitler went to war for the reasons he claimed, and proved that it was not his preference.

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>>134412930
>they installed their party cronies
Not going to mention names either, kike/cuck?

Let's look at the head of the first company mentioned in my list, the Deutsche Reichbahn (railroad corporation), Julius Dorpmüller:
>Dorpmüller stayed in post until the formation of the 1945 Flensburg government. The British then asked Dorpmueller to take over reconstruction of the German railways: Dorpmueller and his representative Albert Ganzenmüller were brought by air, by the United States, to Chesnay in Paris, in order to meet for negotiations over the reorganization of German transport. The American general Carl R Gray Jr had expressly recommended Dorpmueller to General Dwight D Eisenhower for "re-instatement to his old office", because he – as also "our secret service confirms" – had been neither a "Nazi sympathizer nor activist".

Oooooh, enjoying your BTFO yet? This is going to continue, I hope you are enjoying it lol

>>134393933
No niggers is a really big difference Op.

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It's easy to group natsoc and communism together on the premise that they are both collectivist, authoritarian regimes.

However, major difference is that while communism has the government administer as much of the economy as possible, fascists have generally kept the economy as market driven as possible.

Rather than nationalize everything and equaloze incomes, they instead allowed a good deal of inequality, but reserved the right to shut down organizations that did not comply with public interest.

For example: if the usa became communists, they would take over the gun companies, have a comittee decide how many guns each american should have, then give one rifle to every american, paying gun company employees allan equal salary.

If usa became fascists, the gun companies could do what they want, but if they were to knowingly sell guns to enemies or sell defective guns, the state would seize the companies assets and auction them off.

In communism people go hungry when the food supply is mismanaged, in fascism people go hungry if they both fail to get a job and refuse to work in public works projects.

>>134412652
Actually no. And you should know better since schacht used to fly to switzerland every couple of months to negotiate deals for foreign investments.

>>134413530
Germany was not the hegamon they were LARPing. So they were refused negotiations. Also, I won't deny, there was probably some bad blood (in Germany, and over Germany) because of their actions in the first world war. But let's just gloss over that for the sake rhetorical posturing.

>>134414167
>LARPing
Do you newfags even know what LARP means? You use that word like its as all-purpose as "fuck"

>>134414247
It is what they were doing though. Live action role-playing. I wish I hadn't've dropped the article 'as', at the end of that sentence, it sounds lacking somehow. But...yeah, I am using that word once, out of, let's say, a hundred times i've seen it used, and by NatSc', no less.

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>>134414167
>>134414535
>So they were refused negotiations
No, they weren't refused negotiations because they were "LARPing", they weren't refused negotiations at all. They were famously "appeased" -- remember? "Appeased" over Czechoslovakia and the Volksdeutsch population there being denied their rights under the newly amended Czech constitution, in violation of the minority rights clause of the Treaty of St. Germain that created Czechoslovakia out of Austria-Hungary after WWI. Remember, how "Neville Chamberlain was the appeaser-cuck, and Churchill was the bold, stalwart who stood up to muh tyranny"? Isn't that the normie myth we get to learn in school? Well, they leave all the inconvenient aspects out, like the number of times they were negotiated with, the years-long efforts by Churchill and Lord Halifax to sabotage German-Polish anti-komintern negations (another example of the Germans not being "refused"). All these negotiations, all these allied efforts to make sure they all led to war...

Once you actually get hold of the full histories, it paints a rather different picture than the propagandists wrote.

>Polish massacres of ethnic Germans
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/deathinpoland/dp00.html
http://www.danzigfreestate.org/unknownhistory.htm
https://archive.is/MitYS
https://archive.is/JauWN
>The Jewish lobby, (((Stephen Wise))), (((Morgenthau))), and FDR
https://inconvenienthistory.com/5/2/3209
https://inconvenienthistory.com/6/2/3294
>The Jewish lobby, (((Bernard Baruch))) and Churchill's 'The Focus'
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Waley_Cohen.html
>Britain's promises to Poland
http://jane-griffiths-my-book.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/History/polandbetrayal.htm

>>134413123
Apart from literally forcing people to work in camps they also stole ideas for such as the autobahn, the National Labour Service and claimed them as their own.

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>>134414986
>Apart from literally forcing people to work in camps
Like the "burned books" charge, their critics leave out a critical context: labor as punishment was standard in the West back then, and all allied countries practiced it. They famously kept German POWs as slave labor after the war, against the protest of the Red Cross, by simply re-classifying them as "demilitarized combatants" to avoid the Geneva Conventions. As for the Natsocs, what they did by forcing people to work was far more humane than the bullet the Bolsheviks gave their enemies and undesireables. Also, I think forcing people to work was an ingenious notion of "welfare": eliminates the gibs, removes the middle-man from the whole welfare-to-work equation. If you don't work, if you're a commie subversive or a degenerate, if you're a kike banker who never worked a day outside the office in his life -- these are all people that deserve to be in forced labor camps.
>stole the idea for the autobahn
I don't think it matters who thought of it first, it only matters who pulls it off first.

>>134393933

No slavs

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>>134415350
>Hitler wanted to exterminate Slavs
Literally, a kike-tier muh Lolohoax myth. No evidence of "wanting to exterminate" anyone: not jews, not slavs, not people with brown eyes, etc. All bullshits to get you to go fight and die like cucks for jewish bankers wars. Your ancestors died for nothing, so you could be replaced by immigrants today. That's the truth, anyone who denies it is a coward.

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>marxism is bad

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>>134415540
>Marxism is good

https://youtu.be/e-BZylziBKI

>>134415342
>I don't think it matters who thought of it first, it only matters who pulls it off first.
And he hardly "pulled it off" as it was more for show at first kind of like those elections after they seized power.

>Reduction of unemployment was presented as the main reason for the Reichsautobahn project, and propaganda both used the autobahn to represent the Arbeitsschlacht and Nazi reduction of unemployment in general and emphasized the project's role. This included misleading graphs and exaggerated statistics.[78] For the first two years of construction, mechanization was avoided so far as possible in order to create more work (although lack of machinery was also a factor).[79] Numerous celebrations all over the Reich kept the project in the public eye.[80] It was therefore logical from the point of view of the regime that the majority of funding came from the employment department.[45]Fritz Todt (German engineer and senior Nazi figure) had foreseen the creation of at least 600,000 jobs. However, autobahn employment peaked in 1936 at 124,483 directly employed in construction and a similar number in the supply chain, so that the autobahn never directly or indirectly employed more than 250,000 workers.[13][81][82] Rearmament was responsible for a far greater share of unemployment reduction,

>>134415469
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

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>>134415740
>he hardly "pulled it off" as it was more for show
Does the Autobahn exist, or not?
>yes
Was its constructions started by Hitler, or not?
>yes
Case closed.

>>134415895
There's evidence for my version, none for yours -- or did you not read your own Kikepedia article? (pic related):
www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_war-criminals_Vol-XIII.pdf
(pages 147-205)

>"...all the evidence was destroyed"
Sure, sure. All the evidence for history's most massive extermination operation was miraculously destroyed, and only documents proving them innocent were kept around, because they were worried about their trials after they lost the war -- that's why they worked so slowly and failed to kill even a majority of their intended victims! It all makes such perfect sense, why would anyone doubt it???

lol

>>134414762
You mistake me for someone who would defend, back, or allow, such warmongering. All assessed was that since Germany wasn't the hegemon, it didn't have the wherewithal to act as though it could be. This is the very point. Conniving of the German people isn't what is happening here. The US (being my main focus here) is not in the same position as Germany was, political, and economically. You can gloss over the rest of the thread, the many points of contention, of pointing out the errors in this rhetoric, and just act like they're both the same instances (between the US & Germany circa 1933), but they are not. And they do not require the same course of action. Libertarianism is the course for us, it achieves the aims that NatSoc wants to achieve, but in a realistic framework for the US.

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>>134416618
>You mistake me
Nothing I said was about you. All my comments were about the facts, and your claims, which the facts contradicted. Don't try to take statements of an objective nature as personal attacks, that's what women do. Let's not be that way.
>All assessed was that since Germany wasn't the hegemon, it didn't have the wherewithal to act as though it could be.
Then why all the caution and effort expended tiptoeing around Germany, instead of simply attacking her? Objectively, she was hegemonic in the region, even if some mis-perceived the threat; many did not, they simply were not the voices that won out, though they were vindicated by the events that followed.

>what they did by forcing people to work was far more humane than the bullet the Bolsheviks gave their enemies and undesireables
Such slogans. Who cares if they were more tame? It's all besides the point. The debate here is libertarian versus national socialismo, go.
>>134416618
>This is the very point. Conniving of the German people isn't what is happening here
I meant "against the German people".

>>134416895
And I'm not arguing that Hitler was evil. Or anything of the sort. Just that Libertarianism is a better option for America. Maybe in Europe it'd be different. This is my point.
>Nothing I said was about you.
Let's not act like the facts are about facts, when they are levelled at me as a form of argument.

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>>134413881
It's almost like you're begging for it. Scroll down on that wikipedia page and revel in your own stupidity. Also keep sucking that jewish cock, you're doing very well.

>>134416489
Lets say for argument's sake, your last image was correct and the following occurred

>disperse large swathes of people from their lands
>Deprive them of education
>If a child in the east is deemed "aryan" through ridiculous he/she is to be taken from the parents and the parents are to not make anymore children
>the people will "be at our disposal" as workers
>deprived of their culture/way of life

At this point do you honestly believe in your deluded mind that it is even necessary to say you intend to kill large numbers of them? The killing will come naturally as large numbers of them will undoubtedly resist and rather die than live under nazi boot.

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>>134416985
>Who cares if they were more tame?
The charge is that they were extreme; the fact was, they were tame and reasonable. The point is obvious given the context, what's your problem?
>The debate here is libertarian versus national socialismo, go
Lolbertarianism, like communism, is based on a set of counter-propositionals to human nature: lolbergs, like commies, promise that if we just adopt some set of morals and voluntarily follow them without enforcement mechanisms (ie, the NAP, the Golden Rule, karma, etc), then society will magically all "work out somehow". We're meant to believe, like with communism, that these are subtle-yet-brilliant ideas no one in the 12,000 years of human civilization have ever been brilliant enough to have (or try) before, but somehow, this generation of internet-savvy millennials are capable (perhaps due to having internets) of spreading this new morality and the promise of its implications, and finally saving humanity from the Statist ignorance of its past.

https://youtu.be/e-BZylziBKI

Or perhaps, lolbergtarianism is just a meme designed to make us more atomized rather than united, to further alienate and strip of us of our racial and ethnic solidarity, so we can become vulnerable to Western Civilization destroying bullshit like communism. (((PURE COINCIDENCE))) that kikes are a majority of lolbertarian AND communist ideologues, historically speaking.

>>134417324
>he was given the badge, but wasn't a member of the party, and had the job since 1925 -- when Hitler was still in prison writing Mein kampf Chair -- BUT HE WON A BADGE ONCE SO HE WAS TOTALLY A CRONY THAT HITLER PUT IN CHARGE!!
lol @ your pathetic damage control

>>134417482
>That pic
Marx wasn't an an-com. In fact several of the leading anarchists were gentiles and were antisemitic, you'd know this if your head wasn't filled with shit.

>>134417482
> From 1922 to 30 September 1924 he was a president in the Deutsche Reichseisenbahnen in the Oppeln district, and from 1 October 1924 to 1925 he was president in the Ruhr district;
Is the dick tasty?

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>>134417446
>big list of shit you just invented, that wasn't in the document
Are you gambling that I can't read what I post, or that I have such low reading comprehension I might not notice when you try to twist things? Sorry, Hitler wasn't the badguy you wanted to believe he was. Just take the redpills, get it over with.

>>134417874
>Marx wasn't an an-com
Was a "state-less communistic society" the end-stage of society according to Marx, or not?
>it was
Ok then.
> several of the leading anarchists were gentiles and were antisemitic, you'd know this if
Yeah, I've read Bakunin and Prodhoun, dipshit. Nothing I said has anything to do with them, since I was remarking on Marx. Get a fucking grip, kiddo. Stay on topic.

>>134417446
Talk about Poisoning The Well.
>rather die than live under nazi boot.
Yeah....no problem with that sort of authoritarian.
>>134417482
>is based on a set of counter-propositionals to human nature
And National Socialism isn't? How do you manage to breath? No one "set" of beliefs can be construed as fully "propositional" for the entire human race. Humans, as you well know, are not fully rationale nor logical creatures. We do not fit into any exact mold. But sadly, someone like yourself will probably never understand this. You will be fought on all fronts. Keep trying though. No one is stopping you from trying...except maybe ANTIFA snots. We can at least agree to help curb stomp them out of existence.

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>>134417957
>claimed Nazis "put all their cronies in power, so it wasn't *real* privatization"
>shown many examples of people who were in power before 1933, weren't Natsocs, and stayed in power
>shows me some picture of a nazi pin award
>shows me some irrelevant dates that don't undo his earlier claim getting BTFO
>asks me about dicks
The only dick is my dick in your mouth loser, how does it taste lol

>>134418113
>Talk about Poisoning The Well.
>>rather die than live under nazi boot.
>Yeah....no problem
Rhetorical pablum because you have no actual reply, not an argument.
>And National Socialism isn't?
Of course not -- notice you can't argue it is, you just ask rhetorical questions? Human nature is hierarchical, authoritarian: all examples of human society in known history reflect this. Prove me wrong.
>inb4 you can't

>>134418276
> weren't Natsocs
So - according to you, being a good dicksucker makes you somehow not a collaborator? LMAO

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>>134418354
>faggot still talking about dicks
Bet you got a pretty mouth, with big dick-sucking lower lip. LOL

>>134418276
>Rhetorical pablum because you have no actual reply, not an argument.
No, because the argument has already been made for me, by you (or was it some other anon) earlier in the thread.>>134410735 The argument is self-evident. NatSoc's seem to think the only authoritarianism that's allowed is there own. Fuck you. That's what you get. A big old 'come get some'.

>>134393933
Nationalism != globalism. So basically no niggers/parasites. That is all.

>>134418051
>big list of shit you just invented, that wasn't in the document
You really want to play that game?

>1.disperse large swathes of people from their lands

>What I want to say is that we are not only most interested in not unifying the population of the East, but, on the contrary, in splitting them up into as many parts and fragments as possible.

>But even within the ethnic groups themselves we have one interest in leading these to unity and greatness, or perhaps arouse in them gradually a national consciousness and national culture, but we want to dissolve them into innumerable small fragments and particles.

>2. Deprive them of education

>For the non-German population of the East there must be no higher school than the four-grade elementary school. The sole goal of this school is to be--
Simply arithmetic up to 500 at the most; writing of one's name; the doctrine that it is a divine law to obey the Germans and to be honest, industrious, and good. I don't think that reading is necessary.

>3. If a child in the east is deemed "aryan" through ridiculous he/she is to be taken from the parents
>If we acknowledge such a child to be as of our blood, the parents will be notified that the child will be sent to a school in Germany and that it will permanently remain in Germany.

>4. the people will "be at our disposal" as workers
>This population will, as a people of laborers without leaders, be at our disposal and will furnish Germany annually with migrant workers and with workers for special tasks

>5. deprived of their culture/way of life
>though they have no culture of their own, they will, under the strict, consistent, and just leadership of the German people, be called upon to help work on its everlasting cultural tasks and its buildings and perhaps, as far as the amount of heavy work is concerned, will be the ones who make the realization of these tasks possible.

>hurr you just made it up
Slit your wrists

NatSocs were called commies by the capitalists and regressives by the commies. This is nothing new.

>>134418051
>end-stage
The way to achieve full communism is a crucial part and has been highly contested as far back as the days of the First International. You have a child's like grasp of theory.

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>>134418733
>NatSoc's seem to think the only authoritarianism that's allowed is there own. Fuck you.
LMAO what kind of whiny childish nonsense is that? We argue that each race should be constituted in its own state, in charge of its own destiny -- this is the only argument you'll ever find that we make, not this nonsense "waaaah, you're the only ones allowed to be authoritarians!" No natsoc ever argued this, because it doesn't even make sense. Natsocs make the observation, which is objectively true and obvious, that human beings are by nature tribal, hierarchical creatures. We believe that egalitarian ideals like democracy and communism are degenerate, and designed to make society vulnerable to parasites and conquerors. Ironically, this is also what you want, because you seek atomized individualism, open borders, and migrants welcome just so you can be free to practice your pedophilia, drug use, and other degeneracy.

As a lolberg, you don't care if society is conquered or destroyed, as long as you get your cummies.

>>134419053
>The way to achieve full communism is a crucial part and has been highly contested
Are we talking about Marx and his theory of history
>yes
So shut up with your red herring. Marx did, in fact, believe that stateless communism was "the end stage of history".

>>134418051
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/hitler-obersalzberg.asp

> And so for the present only in the East 1 have put my death-head formations' in place with the command relentlessly and without compassion to send into death many women and children of Polish origin and language. Only thus we can gain the living space [lebensraum] that we need. Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?

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>>134419309
>Poland will be depopulated and settled with Germans. My pact with the Poles was merely conceived of as a gaining of time. As for the rest, gentlemen, the fate of Russia will be exactly the same as 1 am now going through with in the case of Poland. After Stalin's death-he is a very sick man-we will break the Soviet Union. Then there will begin the dawn of the German rule of the earth.
MWUHAHAHAHA! The Jedi will fall, and the entire universe will belong to Germany! But seriously, my favorite is the punching machine executions and the holocoaster rides. The anal inflations and masturbation machines are pretty cool too. Very creative super-villains, those Germans.

>>134419276
You're conflating of Marxism with anarchist thought (which is a large school of thought with different flavors) in a child like "well that's that" smack of the hand is laughable.

>>134419590
>You're conflating of Marxism with anarchist thought
Marx envisioned the end-stage of human history as "state-less"; anarchists advocate the abolition of the State and re-ordering of human society as "state-less".

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>>134419559
>If i laugh off something i disagree with, i win
You already got BTFO >>134418899 I'm done. Enjoy your future. Jews win. ;)

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>>134419712
Don't forget Marx was for free trade. As a communist he knew that free trade destroys the institutions of old and globalizes countries. And yet capitalists still maintain their the good guys. Their not they just a different method in globalizing and destroying the world

>>134393933
The free market is cancer and the sole cause of globalisation and the downfall of western civilisation.

>>134419183
I do not ascribe to Libertarianism in the manner the person quoted has, she is clearly deranged. Using an economic postulate to assert that child pedophilia is better left unpenalized is just bad logic. Economic forces do not dictate morality.
>No natsoc ever argued this
You didn't have to...it's found in the words you are using as the basis for your argument. >>134412453
>>134410735
>too barbaric, downright fascist, and worst...sin: Authoritarian.

>>134419976
Karl Marx was a wrongheaded idiot who didn't comprehend the reality of economics nor politics, and was fundamentally mistaken in his theories...so who gives a fuck what he thinks.

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>>134419898
>The Jew shreiks in BLACKED porn as it loses
Triggering JIDF is better than video games.

>>134419976
>Don't forget Marx was for free trade
Only as an accelerationist though, he wasn't in any way a principled capitalist.

>>134420045
>I do not ascribe to Libertarianism in the manner the person quoted has, she is clearly deranged
A massive number of you do support her, and similar views, because most of you are motivated by cummies and dude weed.
>admits that isn't a Natsoc argument
Well, then its probably projection on your part like it sounded. Did you have a bad relationship with your dad or something?
>buzzwords
You sound like a teenage kid afraid of growing up.

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>>134420267
Karl Marx knew capitalism causes globalism. Why use your own workers when a million chinks can do you job for cheaper which pushes your own poor out of work and into communism.

>who gives a fuck what he thinks.
Who gives a fuck what the creator of the entire ideology and who all the communists read the works of and has openly inspired hundreds of millions of people and dozens of countries to follow his ideology. Yeah real smart there

>>134393933
> me, German business owner
> must fulfil government set supply quota before I can make myself profit for myself
> if I choose to go other way around, my business would be nationalised and I was put in prison
> Government tells me how much I must pay for my workers and what kind of holidays they will have
> If I disagree with this, my business would nationalised and I'd be put in prison
> If I don't swear allegiance to Nazi party, I'd receive increased state quota to fulfil
> If I wouldn't comply, my business would be nationalised and I would be picked for "questioning" in police station in evening time.
> My family business would be forcefully incorporated into bigger, state controlled business entity, that was run by party loyalists/members.
> If I refused, I'd be executed

Truly just another form of socialism

>>134420317
>admits that isn't a Natsoc argument
Idiot, I was quoting you, cannot you not follow along with your own words?
>Well, then its probably projection on your part like it sounded. Did you have a bad relationship with your dad or something?
Welp, we've hit the "just laugh" approach to this "argument".
>You sound like a teenage kid afraid of growing up.
Those weren't random buzzwords, they were words found in the stupid manifesto pic, anon posted here.>>134410735
Please try and assess what you are responding to next time, dundercunt.

>>134420545
>Who gives a fuck what the creator of the entire ideology and who all the communists read the works of and has openly inspired hundreds of millions of people and dozens of countries to follow his ideology. Yeah real smart there
Lame retort. Obviously I'm discounting Marx's theory and his brain, not the fact of his ideal being promulgated by idiots. Please learn to apply context to what you read.
>Karl Marx knew capitalism causes globalism. Why use your own workers when a million chinks can do you job for cheaper which pushes your own poor out of work and into communism.
There has been global trade for a long time. Your sentiments are specious, at best. Karl Marx never foresaw globalism, nor concerned himself with the globe as a whole. Get real. You can't just make stuff up with feels.

>>134420680
>Idiot, I was quoting you, cannot you not follow along with your own words?
lol
I am tired and that was a typo.

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>>134420680
>Idiot, I was quoting you
No, you were arguing the position you ascribe to us was implicit, right after you admitted 'you didn't have to [argue this]':
>>No natsoc ever argued this
>You didn't have to...it's found in the words you are using as the basis for your argument. >>134412453
That link is to your own quote, not anything I or any other Natsoc ever said. You can't find an example of any Natsoc ever arguing "only WE are allowed to be authoritarian" -- because this is some jumbled bullshit whining from a 12 year old mind. No one talks or thinks like that except little kids.

>>134420929
>Lame retort. Obviously I'm discounting Marx's theory and his brain, not the fact of his ideal being promulgated by idiots. Please learn to apply context to what you read.
What matters is what is followers think and follow, his economics could be trash (they are) but if communism still takes over it doesn't matter. Do you really think all these Bernie and communist care much.

>There has been global trade for a long time. Your sentiments are specious, at best. Karl Marx never foresaw globalism, nor concerned himself with the globe as a whole. Get real. You can't just make stuff up with feels.
We live in an age where instead of building your own cars it's cheaper to get coal from Australia send it to Japan produce the electronics and other parts in Germany and assemble then ship it all the back around the world.

If you don't see how that globalizes the place your an idiot. Communists are for free trade because they know it fucked over the conservatives and mixes the world up

>>134421302
You stupid gobshite.>>134410735 In manifesto pic, you dumbfuck, is where the greentext is from, you aerial gazing zika fruitloop.

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>>134421302

Unrealistic strawman is unrealistic. The meme is funny, though. That earned you the (You).

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>>134421322
>What matters is what is followers think and follow, his economics could be trash (they are) but if communism still takes over it doesn't matter. Do you really think all these Bernie and communist care much.
Why must you do this? I actually agree with you...but this sentence you just levelled at me, it was never formed before, and alas, I wasn't talking about any of this. I was talking solely from a rhetorical stance...Marx was an idiot, so who cares what he thinks...maybe I should rephrase, "who should care" what he thinks.
>We live in an age where instead of building your own cars it's cheaper to get coal from Australia send it to Japan produce the electronics and other parts in Germany and assemble then ship it all the back around the world.

If you don't see how that globalizes the place your an idiot. Communists are for free trade because they know it fucked over the conservatives and mixes the world up
There has always been trade, and there was always need for trade, especially in manufacturing; which should be kept as on the national level as possible. What you are talking about isn't even globalism, in the sense that it denounces national sovereignty. It's fetching items for a price that the country cannot procure themselves, to help aide in manufacturing. In this instance, one, possessing any shred rationality, would have to denote a "soft" and a "hardline" connotation to the word "Globalism". Because if simplytrading internationally is "Globalism", then what the fuck happens when the US runs out of it's natural resources, when it needs it most? (or any other nation for that matter?) You need some international trade, if you want to stay competitive. You can say, fuck competition, but that'd be quite egregious.

>>134421685
All it says is that Libertarians can't and won't be authoritarian. You're not including the entire quote. It literally goes against your principles by definition. It goes against communist principles as well since their society is supposed to be "classless". All other forms of government have a legitimate claim to authoritarian force because it is well within their ideology. Such is not the case in Libertarianism.

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>>134421685
How does any of this prove that my position is really some whiny 12 year old complaint about how unfair it is that only Natsocs get to be authoritarians? LMAO -- look, Natsoc is what Hoppe would have called a "covenant society": there is nothing in Libertarian philosophy that prevent free agents from creating a social compact that is authoritarian, so long as those individuals are free to divest themselves from that authoritarian society. Unlike the Soviets, the 3rd Reich didn't prevent anyone from leaving who wanted to leave, or was deemed undesireable; in fact, they encouraged it.

>>134421968
>naming random informal fallacies that don't even remotely apply
Are all you kids from the same fedora tipping subreddit? Go back there and review your list of informal fallacies before posting.

And fuck your retarded spacing, bastard, this gobbeltygook is becoming so redundant, I can't see through the haze of my eyes growing cataract film on my eyeballs from aging so fast in this fucking thread.

>>134422295
>>Are all you kids from the same fedora tipping subreddit? Go back there and review your list of informal fallacies before posting.

>being this new

The child slave meme is old. Old memes are gay.

>>134422269
In the case of the United States, Libertarianism has an authority in the constitution. But there isn't a constitutionalist flag. Also: a giant manifesto is a little bloated and I'd argue it's a bit verbose, I said I was gonna read it later, but anon slyly pushed me to read it quickly for the sake of debate. I'm not gonna lie, I skimmed that part pretty bad. Completely invalidates my previous line of reasoning concerning the quotes therein.

>>134422295
>there is nothing in Libertarian philosophy that prevent free agents from creating a social compact that is authoritarian, so long as those individuals are free to divest themselves from that authoritarian society.
Correct.
>Unlike the Soviets, the 3rd Reich didn't prevent anyone from leaving who wanted to leave, or was deemed undesireable; in fact, they encouraged it.
Good. Yes, I know that the 3rd Reich wasn't the the big evil thing it was made out to be.

>>134422836
>I'm not gonna lie, I skimmed that part pretty bad. Completely invalidates my previous line of reasoning concerning the quotes therein.
Wow, I actually got a Libertarian to fucking read and stop using fallacies. Perhaps you should actually read what we post, you might learn something. The point of a debate is to listen to both sides completely.

>>134422802
>being this new
lol faggot go home >>>/r/eddit

>>134423055
ok.

>>134423098
The fact is though, that this fallacious line of questioning doesn't invalidate anything else I've said. All of which is merely sidestepped for quick slogans anyway. But perhaps this is just the instance of not seeing eye to eye. Like I said, I'll read it later when I've got time. I'll read more carefully, but I read most of it, there didn't seem to be a coherent postulation, because although there may indeed be some truth and coherency to it, there is also alot of bloviating, which is annoying. I don't need to read a whole bloviating speech if you can just sum up the postulate, accordingly. Besides that, it seems anon above as grasped the notion that Libertarians have not the inability to be authoritarian. That is simply a throwaway meme, essentially. Of course Libertarians can, but they just don't make it a lofty goal.

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>Like I said, I'll read it later when I've got time.
And like I said, you won't. This is an anonymous image board. Why would you read that for just some guy when the thread will reach the bump limit soon? You won't. I'm not gullible, that's why I'm a Nazi and why you're a Libertarian. I put my faith in rules and facts, you put yours in the goodwill of people. That's what it comes down to. If someone loses their job in Libertarian land, and an economic crisis is in place, then that person will starve, no ifs ands or buts about it. That's reality. NatSoc has been proven to turn around this kind of disaster, and better yet provide work if such a disaster would hit. It supports civility, comradery, justice, culture - all things that make Western Civilization thrive. What does Libertarianism support? Materialism? Greed? Hedonism? In the end you get what we have now - banks rule, big companies rule, and jobs are lost to cheap labor.
Liberty above all else? That philosophy has failed.

ALRIGHTY. I will read it though. I don't give a fuck about anything but truth. Ascertaining that is relevant talking about this subject matter.

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>>134424983
>I don't give a fuck about anything but truth
Which is why you misrepresented multiple arguments?
Do Libertarians have a different definition of truth or something?

Perhaps National Socialism just came around with bad timing, originally. But to act like such a nation would have no status to influence and persuade on the world-stage is surely egregious. My only concern is the effects from such a persuasion. I am also concerned with collectivism, seeing as I don't agree that people should be overly policed where if they are heralded as "counter-factual" to a regime, they have to go to court. Fuck that. Sorry. If that's involved, well...I don't know how anyone can not see the potential dangers and tyranny that can arise out of that.

>>134425204
Not at all. That argument you're talking about, you mean the one where you said "Libertarians can't be authoritarian". It's already been established here that they can. No harm, no foul. Plus, I made a mistake, the semantic rationale was lost, this is true, but it wasn't a purposeful misrepresentation. I wasn't being dishonest. But you love your platitudes.

300th post

301st post

Natsocs fail to make a successful point: The Thread.

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>>134425404
Now we're getting somewhere.
>I don't agree that people should be overly policed where if they are heralded as "counter-factual" to a regime, they have to go to court
This is a legitimate concern. The only problem with NatSoc is the consistency. Because it didn't last for a very long time, there isn't really a way of knowing how well that would have turned out. We could guess and theorize, but without solid evidence, it could go either way based on what we do know.
>I am also concerned with collectivism
Collectivism isn't inherently bad, just as individualism isn't inherently bad. The key of NatSoc is to find a balance, which is why private property, profit, etc. is allowed.
If you're actually curious about learning about NatSoc, you could always watch the 6 hour meme documentary. It used to be mentioned all the time before 2015 and all the moderates started flooding into /pol/, right next to holohoax threads and redpill threads. Some of the info and books mentioned in it is interesting as well.
>>134426019
CIA nigger

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>>134393933
>no niggers
>>134426193
Disingenuous summarizing isn't arguing.

>>134426239
>This is a legitimate concern. The only problem with NatSoc is the consistency. Because it didn't last for a very long time, there isn't really a way of knowing how well that would have turned out. We could guess and theorize, but without solid evidence, it could go either way based on what we do know.
And that's exactly the problem I have.
>Collectivism isn't inherently bad, just as individualism isn't inherently bad. The key of NatSoc is to find a balance, which is why private property, profit, etc. is allowed.
If you're actually curious about learning about NatSoc, you could always watch the 6 hour meme documentary. It used to be mentioned all the time before 2015 and all the moderates started flooding into /pol/, right next to holohoax threads and redpill threads. Some of the info and books mentioned in it is interesting as well.
For shits and giggles, I will be. I have no problem with entertaining the idea, afterall I could be wrong. As you said, because of the time NatSoc originally lasted, I just simply do not have the evidence to show that my concerns are not valid. I want to know. I'm open to experimentation in the nations policies and economic model. These are trying times, afterall.

I am just rushing out posts at a clip and not thinking about what I am typing. This has been, mayhaps, a wash, but maybe not. I am no longer in debate, I yield.

>>134393933
but that is the crucial difference. white socialist countries are the best in the world