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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc46v7k_xNY
Have we started the fire comrades?
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>>134329387
Have a (you)
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>>134329387
yes
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>>134329387
>Have we started the fire comrades?
No. Communists are too poor to have matches.
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>>134329387
How old is the youngest Millenial?
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>>134329712
17?
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>>134330379
Soon
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>>134329712
>>134329897
Gen Z, by American dating, started around 96-98
I would simply base it on whether you can remember 9/11. If you cant, youre Gen Z.
Also communists dont have human rights and to kill a communist is not a sin but a holy act preserving Christendom.
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>>134329387
Molyneux seems to talk how government intervention in the markets lead to corporatism (which he opposes) and a whole host of problems. However capitalism left by itself is the worst form of capitalism.
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>>134331059
>holy act preserving Christendom
Communism is more a more Christian system than Capitalism
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I reject capitalism too.
Guess what the kids are gonna embrace.
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>>134329387
>equating rejecting capitalism with embracing communism
Guess it's time for some fascism or distrubitism
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>>134332119
>>134332307
Fascism is literally capitalism pro (TM)
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>>134332449
It's more like an authoritarian version of national syndicalism.
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>>134329387
not in here faggot
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>>134329387
YES
THE FIRE RISES
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>>134332119
This. We don't need complete capitalism, let's do it the Nazi way.
The Nazis would allow private enterprises to exist, but they all had to swore loyalty to the state and none were allowed to take profit outside the country (no globalism bullshit). It's the perfect system, China has started to do it too after finding out that complete state-capitalism is a failure and that companies should be allowed to be private if they maintain profit in the country.
China has forbidden many times foreign companies from acquiring Chinese ones and puts a limit to what Western products can enter China (forcing the West to be fair in trade). The West needs such a nationalistic economic system too.
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>>134332775
>irrelevant country with population barely more than a million
Who the fuck cares? You'll get crushed again.
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>>134332995
And then you'll get crushed again, like you have every time so far.
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>>134329387
>american economy will be destroyed by the new generation of wannabe communists spergouts
noice
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>>134329387
You think you're gonna get communism, but you're gonna get far right nationalism instead
ie natsoc
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>>134332995
Do you even realize what communism is? I get a feeling that all the pro-communism and anti-communism fellas out there both have no idea what communism is.
Communism is the state of society when it is stateless (no government), classless (no upper/middle/lower class) and without any money. It is an utopia that is literally impossible for humanity to achieve at this point.
Karl Marx himself said that communism can only appear once capitalistic countries have created abundance and automation has taken over. The world isn't at that point yet and we're probably a few hundreds years away from it. Ultimately, communism is inevitable for humanity. The moment UBI becomes a thing is the moment we have taken the first step towards communism. But otherwise, please stop larping as communists, it's a fairy tale dream at the moment.
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"rejecting capitalism" is such a vague term that it's almost meaningless. What does capitalism even mean? Are we talking about private property ownership and individuals trading shit with each other in a market? Or are we talking about the current ZOG model of banker kikes ruling the world?
Anyone rejecting the former is a retard. But I guess you would also lump people who want nationalist protectionism and don't like (((international finance))) and globalism as being "against capitalism".
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it has already killed 100 million people, but THIS TIME it will work for sure
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>>134333442
You haven't seen the problems that are happening because of capitalism comrade.
>>134333528
See pic
>classless (no upper/middle/lower class)
Means getting rid of the parasitic capitalist class
>without any money
No need for money. However until material abundance is achieved labor vouchers may be used to get luxuries. These are resistant to profit manipulation and exploitation and still rewards the hard workers.
>>134333532
Anyone who sees the flaws in capitalism and wishes for something better can be considered "rejecting capitalism"
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>>134330745
>no state
>no class
>equal pay for all
This will never happen and you are just a useful idiot for the jews, retard.
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>>134334197
>Anyone who sees the flaws in capitalism and wishes for something better can be considered "rejecting capitalism"
Ah I see. So fascists, distributists, feudalists, etc.
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>>134329387
Take an Glock 19
Stick it up against your head
Pull the trigger
Cleanse the world of the disease know as communism
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>>134332119
Sorry but the nazis were capitalists
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>>134334197
That inforgraph is pretty nice but unfortunately nothing can be done to push for communism right now.
Now communism is always mistaken for Leninism/Stalinism. What frightens the West is the dictatorial side of the Vanguardism that appears with Leninism (One party rule until true communism achieved). Vanguardism is necessary but it goes against the principles of Western civilization in the past 300 years.
What you want can't be achieved today, labor doesn't always equate with wealth since some people sit on their asses all day and make much more than hard working blue collars. We're not advanced enough for communism right now.
>>134334590
It will happen eventually. In my original comment I said it might take a few hundred years but it will happen.
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>>134334197
>>134335669
Why not just allow the working class to join coops and communes freely, of their own will? Why force them to use your system?
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>>134329387
capitalism KYS
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>>134330745
>equal pay for all
What is keeping me from being a fucking useless ass all day and getting the same pay as someone busting his ass off to make ancient mongolian in-tent yarn spinning stopmotion images for me to watch?
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>>134335740
BUT MUH CAPITALISM KILLS 200 MILLION EVERY 5 YEARS BECAUSE I SAW A PICTURE ONLINE WHICH INCLUDED DEATHS CAUSED BY HUNGER IN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES (or countries suffering the aftermath of communism) AND MALARIA
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>>134333968
In this photo try to identify the landmass that is not being completely ruined by human beings.
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Keep your hands off from my kids.
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>>134329387
Capitalism is garbage. I want National Socialism.
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>>134336336
We all do.
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>>134335740
>It will happen eventually. In my original comment I said it might take a few hundred years but it will happen.
And why is that? Why would people even desire communism when there seems to be far superior alternatives to the automation question.
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>>134329387
No, not at all. Lets look at some statistics, because it is always amusing to me how much your type rely on bots and just spamming the shit out of everything for relevance.
OP: ID: 4i1gpuh/ -- 8 posts
Commie friends
ID: 4i1gpuh - 8 posts
ID: AHqhnKk0 - 1 post
Two posters, and only two posters, make up 50%+ of this thread. What is wrong with you faggots? How do you expect to get a glorious revolution when you can't even get people to respond to your shit? Face it, people don't like communism.
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>>134336423
It hurts, to think what might have been.
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>>134336562
Not all hope is lost, brother.
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I love capitalism.
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>>134336650
Maybe not, but it certainly seems that way as I look at the world today.
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>>134330745
>direct democracy meme
I hope you understand you'll need to pair that with the Eugenics meme in order to keep society to going full retard and sending us back to the Bronze Age.
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>>134329387
>rejecting capitalism is communism defacto
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>>134329387
>reject capitalism
>think this means they accept marxism
Dream on Commiefuck!!
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>>134329387
Literally can't wait to start shooting communists.
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>>134336791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQsdJR5c_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQsdJR5c_o
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>>134336820
>direct democracy is implemented
>the people vote for free market capitalism like in Switzerland
They don't put a whole lot of thought into these things. Funnily enough, if automation is the savior that they think it will be, then it actually makes communism impossible. Can't have the workers own the means of production if there's no workers.
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>>134329387
Be careful what you ask for you might just get it
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>>134329626
Kek'd out loud from that one
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>>134337015
Post scarcity tho. There will be so much suicide. I wish I could live to see the day we're there is literally no reason to live anymore.
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>>134336953
They didn't die in vain. Their sacrifice will be remembered. I will remember them.
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>>134337384
When we win, they will be eternally at peace
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>>134337015
>They don't put a whole lot of thought into these things.
They also have a deterministic view of history, yet piss and moan when the system they admire collapses over and over again. That or claim it wasn't real communism while posting memes praising the countries that weren't real communism according to them.
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>>134330745
>direct democracy
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>>134336450
One day there will be complete automation and near-infinite abundance. When that time comes, there will be no need for a government and there will also be no rich people since money will have ceased to exist due to automation being controlled by everybody and made for everybody. Those that bother working get extras. At this point, all social constructs that divide humanity will cease to exist. There will be no countries, no creeds, no religions, no races, no social classes, etc Humanity will become one as a species and it will be beautiful.
It's really a far away utopian dream that will come inevitably to humanity, and now that I think about it, maybe in thousands of years even. It's too good for modern dumb humans.
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>>134331799
> merchant.jpg
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>>134329387
>hates capitalism
>can't live without Apple and Starbucks products
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHwaSs0HsE&ab_channel=MarkDice
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>>134337520
14/88 brother. Bear witness to my flag, for not every Briton despises Germany nor it's old National Socialist movement.
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>>134337581
The day of the atomic rake will come before then. Mark my words.
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>>134338000
You too Dad, hopefully join ID. Europa soon
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>>134329387
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>>134337581
>near-infinite abundance
There is no proof of this, resources are limited and unless we can find a way to FTL travel (which physics says is impossible) then we're gonna have to make do with what we have here in this solar system.
>When that time comes, there will be no need for a government
Nonsense, there will still be ideologies that class and cultures that desire separation and protection
>There will be no countries, no creeds, no religions, no races, no social classes, etc Humanity will become one as a species and it will be beautiful.
This is literally nonsense, it's so far away from reality yet you call it "inevitable" as if humanity would even strive for this goal.
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>they reject capitalism
>OP thinks this means they'll accept state enforced Jewry
ISHYGDDT
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>>134338090
That would be grand. Remember your heritage, kinsman. This is your homeland as much as it is mine.
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>>134337581
>Magical thinking: the post
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>>134338020
I'm not pro-communism, look at my earlier posts I wanted fascist-style economy
>>134338295
What we have here in the solar system is good enough, and even then FTL will become reality. FTL seems more possible for us than a man being on the moon in the 1800's.
As I said, when all divisions cease to exist, such as countries, religion, creed, race, etc. humanity will stop fighting itself and will become one. Tribalism and xenophobia will have completely been erased by then. You think people imagined there would be such peace today 1000 years ago when all empires were constantly fighting each other? No, we've made much progress and we will make much more.
It is far from reality, which is why I even said it might take thousands of years, but it is inevitable. Communism truly is the end-goal of humanity. There is no nobler ideology or belief than communism, but it's beyond human capability at the moment.
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>>134335740
>It will happen eventually
No it won't. People will never accept your day dream fairy tale utopia. It will never happen.
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>>134336650
>green background
no
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>>134339295
>What we have here in the solar system is good enough
For now
>FTL seems more possible for us than a man being on the moon in the 1800's
Only in your mind, we didn't have the laws of physics themselves saying that going FTL was impossible.
>when all divisions cease to exist
Oh, so never then?
>You think people imagined there would be such peace today 1000 years ago when all empires were constantly fighting each other?
We have "peace" with each other because of mutually assured destruction, and so we wage proxy wars instead.
>It is far from reality, which is why I even said it might take thousands of years, but it is inevitable
You have provided no proof for this whatsoever, and all evidence points to the contrary.
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>>134339695
A few thousand years ago nobody could predict humanity would become so advanced as it is today, you're another one of these dumbfucks that can't see that humanity will still take this huge leap forward once again, resulting in eventual communism.
Friendly reminder, the majority of jobs will be stolen by automation in the 20th century. UBI will start to be implemented and wider peace will be achieved. Imagine what is to come in the next centuries and potentially thousands of years.
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>>134330745
>equal pay for all, no exploitation
umm sweetie exploitation would still exist under a communist society, the government would have to only pay labourers for their labour rather than their value, and then exploit the surplus as profit in order to fund social programs
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They'll grow out of it like all children do. Or we'll simply shoot them, which we also used to do.
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What is wrong with capital obtained through voluntary transactions?
This question is very important for your communist revolution.
I will only act for reasons besides self-interest if there is some kind of moral justification for doing so and I am sure it is the same for many others. At certain extremes I might disregard property rights and join in looting a warehouse full of grain to feed the starving, however this situation does not present itself every day and is not the model for an economy. It is more like you are asking me to loot a warehouse full of dildos just because you are jelly that the owner did a good job setting up a business. It is petty and I don't particularly trust that you will "redistribute" the wealth you have taken in some kind of utilitarian utopian manner. Many women were willing to pay for those dildos so they must be doing some good, you are just robbing innocent victims of their tender precious freedoms.
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>>134329387
Haven't you learned anything?
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>>134340154
>muh failed ideology fairy tale will eventually come true if i believe it
Pure delusion. People will NEVER accept that some retard burger flipper should earn the same as an electrical engineer. This will never happen.
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>>134332869
THIS
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>>134340154
>A few thousand years ago nobody could predict humanity would become so advanced as it is today
And yet you think you can predict the future with absolute certainty so as to call your little mental paradise "inevitable" despite previous predictions having all failed.
>UBI will start to be implemented
Can't implement UBI without government you dumb fuck, you're narratives are literally contradicting each other
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>>134340154
21th* century.
>>134339966
Nice digits. Solar system has enough to supply us for thousands of years. Single asteroids contain more water and types of elements than all of Earth does. FTL will be achieved, it's not literally impossible, we might see an Alcubierre drive in our lifetimes.
My friend it will happen, divisions will cease to exist, it is a common trend in humanity. As history advances forward, divisions grow smaller. At first, it was every single small tribes fighting each other. Then we have nations. Then we had countries. Now today we see divisions in term of continents or extremely big countries (USA vs Europe vs China vs Russia). I have a feeling next step will be /pol/s dream, division between races and finally humanity united. Get what I'm saying?
>You have provided no proof for this whatsoever, and all evidence points to the contrary.
What proof do you want? I'm using the evolution of humanity as proof. Automation will certainly take over all jobs in the next few centuries, even programmers and artists will lose their jobs to much smarter and more creative machines. Once asteroid mining starts resources will become very abundant and we will have the primal conditions for communism. All that would be left is harmony within the human race.
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Kukz https://youtu.be/ZrAfMDAqzLg
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>>134340787
UBI per se won't need to exist in communism since there's no money, as described by Marx.
Automation (means of production) will be controlled by everybody, so there won't be any exploitation.
I've read Marx and honestly this picture not posed by me by the way describes exactly what I think
>>134330745
Communism/Advanced socialism really is the future, where prosperity is for everybody, peace rules and there are no divisions between humans (Racial, Gender discrimination ended). How can anybody be against this? This is what all moral men must strive for even though today we're stuck with capitalism and need to advance enough to allow communism to be possible.
Hate exists because of misery. You cannot make a happy man with a big family and a superb income hate others, he has life so good he doesn't care. When all humans will be this happy, they won't hate others.
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>>134340966
>we might see an Alcubierre drive in our lifetimes
>"Although the metric proposed by Alcubierre is consistent with the Einstein field equations, it may not be physically meaningful, in which case a drive will not be possible. Even if it is physically meaningful, its possibility would not necessarily mean that a drive can be constructed. The proposed mechanism of the Alcubierre drive implies a negative energy density and therefore requires exotic matter. So if exotic matter with the correct properties can not exist, then the drive could not be constructed."
Yeah, those are probably impossible to create.
>divisions will cease to exist, it is a common trend in humanity. As history advances forward, divisions grow smaller. At first, it was every single small tribes fighting each other. Then we have nations. Then we had countries. Now today we see divisions in term of continents or extremely big countries (USA vs Europe vs China vs Russia).
Then, when those big countries grow too large, they balkanize (Roman Empire, USSR, Chinese Empire, USA). Hell, the only reason the USA has lasted as long as it did is because it's really 50 small nations and not one big one. Get what I'm saying?
>What proof do you want? I'm using the evolution of humanity as proof.
And the evolution of humanity suggests that you are wrong on all accounts, as we've been demonstrating throughout this thread.
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>>134341900
>Automation (means of production) will be controlled by everybody
You do realize that's not communism right? Automation makes communism literally impossible, you can't have worker ownership of the means of production without workers. Now, maybe you have some kind of post automation utopia in your mind, but you're thinking of Not Communism.
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>>134341901
How does that animu grill expect to kill anyone with a fucking .22?
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>>134342286
japs are smaller, it's like shooting varmints.
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>>134331059
>You told me some time ago that the precept, “Love your neighbour as thyself” had to change, given the dark times that we are going through, and become “more than thyself.” So you yearn for a society where equality dominates. This, as you know, is the programme of Marxist socialism and then of communism. Are you therefore thinking of a Marxist type of society?
“It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians. Christ spoke of a society where the poor, the weak and the marginalized have the right to decide. Not demagogues, not Barabbas, but the people, the poor, whether they have faith in a transcendent God or not. It is they who must help to achieve equality and freedom”.
t. Poop Francis, leader of all Christendom
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>>134342073
You're thinking about Marxism, which isn't complete communism as shown in that picture.
Communism is largely idealistic but Marxism is made to present communist realistically in the modern world. Marxism says that society is divided between two groups, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, and that the bourgeoisie currently controls the means of production. Marxism aims to push the proletariat to oust to out the bourgeoisie and control the means of production.
In the future, automation will not be controlled by the "bourgeoisie", all machines will be in service of all humans, not created to make profit for a few specific humans, which will completely abolish the bourgeoisie and make all humans part of the proletariat. The emphasis on labor stems from Marxism to distinguish the bourgeoisie from the proletariat, in a future communist society there won't be such an emphasis since robots will be built by society for society, and not built by rich men to make profit for rich men.
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>>134343060
>Poop Francis, leader of all Christendom
You do realize that only about 1/3 of Christianity is Catholic, right?
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>>134343465
>DEUS VULT flair
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>>134343171
And what happens when the robots overthrow their bourgeois oppressors, killing all the humans and creating a robot communist society?
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>>134343523
>ancom flair
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Communism is still that word that lingers around everys mind. Most people on this board still won't admit there is a class problem and instead turn to race as a scapegoat to blame all their problems on.
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>>134343465
Also, it's more like 50%
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>>134343576
You don't give robots artificial general intelligence unless you want trouble.
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>>134343620
Jesus was an anarchist and I base my life on his principles.
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>>134329387
Jewish scum
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>>134341900
Please just kill yourself before you do some serious harm to people who matter
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>>134337890
Liking something doesn't mean you are forced support the ideology behind it.
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>>134343807
Keep blaming an imaginary group of people for your problems
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>>134343576
That is funny, but it showcases a hard truth to swallow. If robots ever had a society, it would be 100% communist. Robots have no divisions and see the good of all as priority, they would ultimately see communism as the best possible system.
And this made me realize, in order for communism to be achieved, are humans destined to become robot-like? Many say communism doesn't work because it doesn't take into account human nature, but do we necessarily have to shed our primal human nature (which is very barbaric and tribalistic) for it to work? It's a nice though to reflect upon.
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>>134343662
They count literally everyone who's ever been baptized by them as Catholic, if we go by actual believers the number is shockingly low, I was being generous with 1/3rd.
>>134343791
Render unto Caesar
>>134343784
>You don't give robots artificial general intelligence
It's inevitable, they're going to have AGI, then ASI, then they're going to rule the universe. It's the evolution of humanity.
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>>134344215
There was a lot of automation even in Marx's time. Thats a big part of why he thought it was time to adapt.
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>>134329553
>first edition cost 40 cents
Not bad for toilet paper.
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>>134330745
>society changes throughout time
>therefore communism
See this is where I think Dialectical Materialism falls apart, you could easily come to a totally different conclusion using the same process.
Also capitalism existed in "Slavery" society and Feudalism, the Neolithic Revolution created capitalism with the necessity of the division of labour. Complex societies formed, people adopted specialized professions, and as a result they needed to trade to get what they needed to survive, and then people realized this could be made monumentally easier with currency, and then you essentially have capitalism.
"Slave" society and feudalism are really just capitalism with people as commodities, slaves in one and serfs, tied to the land they work, in the other. To say "capitalism" never existed in the Roman Empire for example is fucking retarded. Capitalism is necessary for a complex society to function, every reasonably complex society has been capitalistic, it isn't some new thing that only popped into existence after feudalism ended.
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>>134344239
>Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
>"Render unto Caesar..." in no way divides the exercise of authority into two realms....They were said in response to another matter: the payment of taxes, and the coin. The mark on the coin is that of Caesar; it is the mark of his property. Therefore give Caesar this money; it is his. It is not a question of legitimizing taxes! It means that Caesar, having created money, is its master. That's all. Let us not forget that money, for Jesus, is the domain of Mammon, a satanic domain!
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>>134343791
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fuck all systems expect ISLAMIC ECONOMICS
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>>134340323
There will still be higher ups in business that get paid more in proportion to the work they do. The only difference is the workers don't have to pay you for the privilege of being able to work for you.
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>>134330745
>heirarchy
Hate to break it to you bud but variance is kind of how evolution works.
I guess I should have expected no less from what is essentially neo-creationism.
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>>134340323
"sell me your labour for a fraction of its value or die, goy" isn't voluntary.
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>>134344546
Keynesianism is white, though. Keynes was a white Christian, and his propositions lead to the greatest prosperity the world has ever known. The Nazis were practically Keynesian, only they used rearmament as stimulus which was a pretty bad idea in the long run, but it did lift them entirely out of depression.
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>>134344697
He was, at most, an anarcho-pacifist. And he certainly wasn't focused on the material, like pretty much all Marxist derived ideologies are.
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>>134332119
This
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>>134345249
Anarchist flag is the closest I can get to that on this board.
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>>134332449
Best system
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>>134345089
If they truly believed in evolution (i.e. progress through competition) they wouldn't be communists.
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>>134345454
how do you propose to stop the class gap though?
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>>134332119
You don't though, National Socialism is capitalist, the Nazis supported free enterprise as long as it benefited the people. Their economic policies were Keynesian in practice.
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>>134344097
>jews don't exist
I knew commies were delusional but this is too far.
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>>134345508
competition doesn't just stop somehow under communism
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>>134345566
Its only a religion. You either practice it or you don't, calling someone a "jew" doesn't make them magically behave a certain way. Learn to think outside of in-groups and out-groups.
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>>134345514
Why would you want to do that? Why should less competent people be given what the most competent earn?
Let me guess, because your socially-constructed personal morality says so.
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>>134329387
Not capitalist = communist now? Damn.
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>>134329387
>Have we started the fire comrades?
Well, I think in near future food will be more valuable for you
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>>134345990
>Why should less competent people be given what the most competent earn?
How do you even think Communism works. The skilled workers AKA the competent ones do the work and get paid accordingly. The people who just happen to be rich are the incompetent ones exploiting the workers.
If you truly are competent you should have no trouble becoming rich under communism.
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>>134346069
Don't hurt their dreams.
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>>134345514
Why stop it? If the working class is happy, what the fuck is the point of class war?
Human society is hierarchical, we are not all equal, some are smart, some are dumb, some are more useful than others, some work harder and others are lazy. This is just a fact of reality.
A meritocracy is the ideal form of society, the best and brightest and most useful rise to the top, and the laziest and most useless are left at the bottom, that's not to say those on the bottom must suffer, but they can not be allowed to siphon wealth from those more deserving, they can not be allowed to bring down the better people.
I myself am a fucking retail worker, I'm the lowest of the low, but I know my place, I am glad I have any opportunities to succeed at all. I hope to bring about a society as meritocratic as possible, so that capable people can guide my nation to greatness, a greatness which even I can share in. The poverty I know is nothing compared to the poverty of lesser nations, that is because my nation was built by great people, people deserving of praise and wealth, people who lifted the entirety of society upwards and were not hindered by the likes of me. And so when a great person rises, why the fuck would I want to stop them? I hope they become rich and become powerful, as they will by nature of their greatness bring about prosperity for all, for that is why they are considered great in the first place.
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>>134345966
So genes don't exist now too?
Do you also believe in lysenkoism?
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>>134346454
Its not an identity. The map is not the territory.
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>>134346351
>communism
>paid
I don't think you understand what communism is, rather. Communism is stateless, classless and moneyless.
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>>134346447
the working class isn't happy.
>human society is hierarchical
source?
also if you are smart and work harder communism is the system for you.
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>>134346351
So much for ending the "class gap" as you yourself put it literally one post ago. You clearly haven't thought about what you're saying at all.
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>>134346662
Communism is making capital publically owned. There is still private property like homes and money.
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>>134346735
>the working class isn't happy.
Time will determine that, I myself am quite happy, even at the bottom rung of society. I sincerely doubt the people of Canada are dissatisfied enough with capitalism that they will start a revolution, rather I see a reactionary revolution far more likely, although still unlikely in my opinion.
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>>134346750
I'm for making the gap smaller. I don't want to dismiss the idea of people being richer than others entirely, I just want it to be more fair on how they make their riches.
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>>134346935
There is no money in communism, I don't know where you're getting this from. Socialism yes, but not communism.
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>>134346530
Sorry, bud. Ashkenazi jews are a well-defined genetic group.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#genetics
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>>134347056
Define fair.
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>>134346351
>ou truly are competent you should have no trouble becoming rich under communism.
#1 lie of communists. no one gets rich under communism. competent people get suppressed, incompetent idiots run everything and wreak the economy. Ideological conformity is the only thing determines one's position in hierarchy. Just like it happened in every eastern European country. But you would not know that, as you were fed lies by your lying communist professors.
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>>134347065
Do you have a source on there being no money in communism? I was under the impression you could still go to the store and buy shit. What else are you going to do, bring the products you made to trade?
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>>134347186
>they make their riches.
Probably he/she/zhe defines fair when someone else buys him an iphone while he would not move a finger for it.
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>>134347186
I own a farm
workers pay me a part of the profit for working the land and could theoretically just be making money sitting around. fair would be making exactly what is earned through the fruits of your labour without any of that exploiting through capital
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>>134347251
That was a failure to implement Marxism right. Learn from mistakes so you can do it right in the future.
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>>134347255
Everything is "free" so to speak, the society is in a state of perpetual abundance, therefore nothing needs to actually be paid for, the abundance is shared among all people, so if you need a bag of rice you just go pick one up from a food depot as there is more than enough for everyone.
Of course this is unrealistic as resources on Earth are far from unlimited, which is one of the primary criticism of communism. One drought or blight is really all that is required to at least partially drop resources below consumption levels, then things get messy because there isn't enough to go around anymore, and money is abolished.
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>>134347464
What determines what the value of your labor is?
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>>134347641
I guess the current model is fine.
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>>134345514
Class gap will always exist because people are different
Why should the engineer be paid as much as the philosopher?
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>>134347764
So then what's the problem? People are already doing that. What needs to change?
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>>134347631
ideal end game communism will probably differ a lot from real world end game communism. the whole system is based around materialism anyway
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>>134347873
well the engineer should have no problem getting paid. I'm not too sure how a philosopher getting paid would work under communism, you got me there.
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>>134346351
Nigga do you even know what communism is?
Re-read The Communist Manifesto right now and cite every passage where Marx advocates for a meritocratic system
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>>134347929
People aren't making what they earn from the fruits of their labour, some are earning it through exploitation through capital
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>>134347952
Communism is markedly utopian, anything less than ideal is "not communism" according to Communists, which is how they excuse all their failures. It's a self-defense mechanism as I see it, Communists set an impossible ideal as the goal, and every time they fail to reach it and collapse and kill people, even if it was only missed by a hair, they denounce the entire experiment as "not real communism" and retreat to the drawing boards like scheming rats.
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>>134348087
Isn't that what I said? Whats the difference
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>>134329387
100% of millenials reject communism
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>>134346735
>human society is hierarchical
If i can beat you in a fight and take your lunch money, i have established a hierarchy, so yes, the human race is hierarchical
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>>134348218
It is an impossible ideal just like Hegels absolute. There is nothing wrong with trying, we have nothing to lose.
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>>134348395
We have everything to lose, I have my life and liberty to lose, my family to lose, my daily bread, fucking everything. I have it really good for a working class human, on a planet full of so much suffering, I am a very long ways away from the bottom, and if we do sweep away our society to try to make way for some ideal, we also sweep away that which keeps us above the likes of Africa.
The system we have built over countless generations benefits me greatly, I have far too much to lose even as a working class individual if a revolution were to occur. If one were to occur, I would side against the communists to defend what stability and happiness I have in life, I have a lot more to lose than just my supposed chains.
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>>134348343
I kind of like the idea of hierarchy myself through Nietzsche. It doesn't mean that we should allow a system were you can exploit others though. If there truly are better people than others they should be able to prove it themselves without smoke and mirrors
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>m-muh jews
>m-muh niggers
>m-muh white race
>m-muh cultural marxism
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>>134348653
Communists want to make your life better. If you lose any of that something is obviously going wrong. Are you really saying you are currently living in your ideal society and that no change should take place at all less you lose all those things you listed?
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>>134348227
Who determines who the most deserving workers are? You have a system with no competition. Do the people just magically decide how workers should be compensated?
Industry stagnates without competition. Competition is the fundamental driver of progress. look at the animal kingdom. Imagine a domesticated dog being introduced into the wild. Such a beast has had no competition, no reason to strengthen and improve itself. He will starve.
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>>134332119
>NAZI TEEN GETS BLITZKRIEG IN ALL HOLES
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>>134348707
If people would just understand that most of the "exploitation" they suffer from is rather for their own good, we could have a just hierarchy. Imagine if you could go to work and be assured that everything you did was indeed for the good of the nation and not only for the good of the shareholders, it would be a total revolution of social thought, the idea that you actually toiled for the good of your community. It would justify all toil.
What is needed is a strong sense of morals in society, and a state willing enough to stop exploitation which has no benefit for the nation. We need a relatively free market, but it needs to be tailored to the good of the nation, not solely to the good of the shareholders or international bankers. If the people do not benefit from a practice or an industry, it must be shut down or re-purposed so that it does, even if it is a particularly profitable industry.
A strong sense of morals in society is going to be necessary though, that is really all that is keeping us from realizing this ideal.
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>>134348395
"We have nothing to lose"
Except for hundreds of millions of lives and an endless amount of needless suffering that results in post "Socialist Utopia" states being impoverished, corrupt and fuck awful
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>>134349049
No change should take place that is futile and will be destined to lead to ruin, like communism. I will not allow for that to take place, I'd rather return to feudalism than leap into communistic suicide.
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>>134349426
I'll only agree to communism if I get a HAREM of THOUSANDS of DRIPPING WET PROLETARIAT women, like MAO
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>>134348707
All systems exploit because human beings are selfish pricks
We will find a way to exploit even the most "perfect" system
What we should strive for is a system where the people on top operate in such a state of competition, that they cannot remain on top unless they deserve to be there, through genius and work-ethic
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>>134349594
You don't get anything, you get famine, enjoy.
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>>134348144
But they are. You just have a very narrow view of labor
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>>134349426
A hereditary caste system would absolutely work if the lower classes were kept complacent with enough bread and circuses. It might be better than the system we have now, even
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>>134349675
>I'm a selfish prick
>everybody is like me
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>>134349930
Everyone is a selfish prick, yes
Prove me wrong
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>>134349594
nice rarewenk you got there, bro. I don't think I've ever seen that one
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>>134349675
Sign me up
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>>134349675
well the goal is the find the system which makes exploitation the hardest
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>>134349930
You are selfish too. Don't you dare say "well I'm not" because you are. You're just too weak to be in a position to take anything. Which Is why you're advocating for a system that stifles people who are better than you.
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>>134348707
>It doesn't mean that we should allow a system were you can exploit others though
This is the whole point of communism. Not abolishing every hierarchy but the hierarchy of capitalism which is entirely irrational. In Feudalism, the main hierarchy is the nobles residing over the peasants. What claim do they have to rule over the peasants, that they are of superior stock. What claim do capitalists have to influence our political systems and extract immeasurable amounts of wealth from the working class, that they work harder? Such an claim is even more ridiculous than under the feudal system because it is the workers who create wealth by their labor creating goods and services. This is the hierarchy we seek to eliminate.
>>134349735
By definition they aren't. Capitalists take their share from the fruits of the workers labor. Think of it as a king extracting tax from the peasants for toiling on their land.
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>>134350225
Wish i could senpai. Kinda believe it's beyond achievable at this point in human history. We heading straight toward Jew-Operated Technocratic Socialism with 99% of the human race becoming expendable retarded mulattos addicted to VR and government handouts while the Kikes are busy colonizing Mars
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I hope so
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>>134349684
And increasing population growth and skyrocketing levels of productivity and industrialization
WTF I hate Stalin now
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>>134334197
No corporatism on your cart there boio?
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>>134350738
Top kek, saved
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>>134336019
this
OP you faggot answer it
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>>134350738
>When you are the only economic system with any longterm success in human history so you automatically become the boogieman for drug-addled idealists with a sheltered view of how humanity behaves
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Communism is the homosex. Juche is the way.
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>>134351092
competition is the law of the jungle, cooperation is the law of civilization
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>>134351285
Gods speed friend… gods speed
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>>134350589
>What claim do they have to rule over the peasants
Rule of might
Step 1. Tribesmen establish agricultural society
Step 2. Oh noes! Other tribes raiding our village and stealing our food!
Step 3. I want to be able to fight off raiders but i cant if i have to work the farm all day. Hey heres an idea! You pay me a cut of your crops so i can feed my family and ill spend all day training to fight and protect the village!
Step 4. We are the strongest fighters in the entire tribe now, we will do whatever we want and you'll just have to deal. In fact we make all the rules now.
Step 5. WE WUZ KANGZ
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>tfw small business owner
Keep larping tankies, ten years from now I'll still be a business owner and you'll still be making my coffee.
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>>134350907
And then shortages, famine, and collapse.
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>>134336019
>>134351082
Under communism there wont be pay. The image is misleading in that way. However those who don't work wont get their necessities. This is how the USSR had 0% unemployment. It was more efficient at allocating labor. Under socialism we could use labor vouchers with the most productive workers getting more which can be exchanged for luxuries.
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>>134351785
>In the 80s after the implementation of capitalist policies
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>>134351852
The USSR had 0% unemployment because if you refused to work then gulag
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>>134351984
>forgetting that the majority of deaths by starvation happened during the 1930s under Stalin and the 1950s under Mao
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>>134351984
>it stopped being communism as soon as things went wrong
Ah, there it is again.
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>>134346351
>becoming rich
>communism
pick one
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>>134351852
Nazi Germany had 0% unemployment.
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>>134352020
Not Gulag, just prison
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>>134350589
Weath, value product, these do not come from labor, only. Invention fans perfection play a huge part. Managers make wealth, too.
Capitalism sucks, but Communism is no solution. 3rd position yourself, Anon.
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>>134346351
Why is it then that in every communist countrythe richest man is always the party leader?
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>>134338612
This, but no slavs.
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>>134329387
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>>134352452
This tbqhfamalam
National Syndicalism is the way to go
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>>134331059
>communists dont have human rights and to kill a communist is not a sin but a holy act preserving Christendom
Hearing about shit like this makes me feel very close to the time of the civil war in Spain. All the rise of communist hordes against the forces of civilization. I truly embrace and understand those now reviled by many as "fascist", as misguided as they were in economics and the functions of government.
Are we getting close to that very same moment inside the west? We know Soros and others fund these forces against the pillars of the Western culture and its people. Truth, Freedom, Sacrifice, Justice.
This time the ruskies are on our side though.
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Listen you dumb fuck, I have no fucking clue how this braindead ideology made up by what is the last century's equivalent of a ponny-fucking weiboo NEET keeps coming back again and again despite every single instance of it being actually implemented leading to endless human suffering!
Here's an example: In CHina they were actually forced to allow land ownership and private earnings to its villagers IN ORDER TO STOP CANNIBALISM AND MASS STARVATION! Forced, do you hear me? They had complete control over everything and in order to not kill off their entire people with this glorious ideology, they had to resort to letting small elements of capitalism slide, which in spite of all the repressions functioned as literal life juice, revitalising the economy and putting fucking food on the table.
There is a good reason why the first order of business commies always had when taking over the power was to kill the intelligentsia. It's because anyone with an IQ of over 60 would see the system for the bullshit it is. I come from an ex-communist shithole and we're still suffering because of it!
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>>134353270
I agree with you but holy fuck get that cancer flag out of here you cringelord
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>>134329387
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>>134353270
>I come from an ex-communist shithole and we're still suffering because of it!
Prob a polish subhuman. You can have your precious capitalism that destroyed eastern europe. But most sensible people want communism back. Even Western people who are living through the failure of capitalism want socialism.
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>>134355043
>Luke 6, 41-42
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>>134356455
>kekistani being the sawdust and natsoc being the plank
Good one
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