Why do you guys hate socialism? >Denmark >Sweden >Finland

>>134310452
/pol/ generally votes Republican. Republicans are socialists. Your point is invalid.

>>134310452
>All perfect examples of socialism.

Literally none of these countries is socialist.
All are market economies with fairly robust welfare state.

Republicans aren't socialists and the examples you posted are market economies. Perfect examples of socialism include USSR, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Cuba.

Those are some ugly women

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

It's unsustainable.

>>134310452
scoclism is the workers ownership of the means of production
the Nordic countries are capitalist countries with a big welfare state

>>134311426
We have the same welfare as all of Western Europe

>>134310452
Have you seen the debt these "perfect" countries, carry?

If wealth redistribution worked, there should be no debt. The US is a great example as we've implemented more socialist and communist regulations rules and laws on our economy.

>>134310452
>>134310452
None of these countries have large numbers of nonproductive niggers to feed.

>>134311539
US has debt because people don't want to pay for their own spending.

>>134310452
3/4 of the population works less or not at all. The last quater must pick up the slack from the others without getting paid extra.
So yeah, I fucking hate socialism (you may venture a guess as to which group I'm in)

>>134310452
All of the examples you gave are capitalism with high taxes.

>>134310452
>>Denmark
>>Sweden
>>Finland
>>Norway
Why did you lost Nordic countries that aren't socialist?
The only socialist country right now is Venezuela, and they're on the verge of collapse.

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>>134310452
Republicucks would rather give all the money to the rich

>>134310452
We're social liberal. We have a mixed economy, which enables us to have a mostly free market with some restrictions.

>>134312030
We'll fuck me silly if I'm middle quintile and can't save over a million.

>>134312030
>not posting logarithmic graph
Also
>being a fucking retarded leaf

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>>134312164
Well fuck me silly if right wing retards think the millionaires and billionaires need tax cuts

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>>134312288

>>134310452
> mentions countries where natives cannot have children for economic reasons
> success. Jpeg

from what my Norwegian friend tells me, its actually a pretty fucking shitty situation.

>>134310452
>Amerifats unironically believe Denmark is socialist, simply because (((Bernie Sanders))) said so.

>>134311215 got it right. Do some research, OP.

>>134310452
>socislists
What, we aren't socialists
>>134311215
Polebro right here knows what is up

>>134310452
All built off the back of capitalist endeavors in the sixties and seventies and currently now collapsing and at best stagnating.

>>134310452
Socialism means something different these days. When people speak positively about it what they're describing is not the economic system so much as the priorities in the budget. "Socialist" countries thereby mean countries that invest primarily in society (education, healthcare, labor, etc.). People get mixed up talking about two different kinds of Socialism thinking they're talking about the same thing. Socialist economies are garbage, but Socialist investment priorities are a nobrainer.

>>134310452
Because you are forced to be a normie and don't have the option to be authentic.

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This is why.

>>134310452
Socialism like a pure democracy works only in small communities similar to Ancient Greek city-states. 200-300 thousands of men at max.
In bigger countries it simply won't work.

>>134311755
See EPA regulations costing businesses profits, which means the federal government loses revenue to pay debt, and this is one of many, examples.

Both the education and healthcare system in my country is fallling apart. Our Pisa scores are sinking like a rock and wait times are getting longer and longer, but its all good because we help poor "lone immigrant children".

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Consider the fact that a high corporate tax rate completely destroys small businesses, and leaves the market open for only the largest corporations who can jew lawyer their way out of paying all their taxes, thus essentially giving these corporations a monopoly over the market such that no real competition for the workforce exists.
This disables the free market incentives for a pay increase given by the corporations themselves which is why America has a federal minimum wage (no nordic country has that). It is significantly harder to start new businesses and create a well adjusted job market, and Denmark is better than America for starting new businesses [1].

The corporate tax in America is 39%.
In shitty "socialist" Denmark it is 22% and on the verge of being lowered again.


[1] - https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2014/12/17/u-s-slides-again-as-denmark-tops-forbes-best-countries-for-business/&refURL=https://www.google.dk/&referrer=https://www.google.dk/

>>134313430
Lenin was a retard, why would I trust anything he said?

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>>134310452
/pol/ is a big pile of hypocrites
>they hate commies
>but want a fascist dictatorship that will magically fix everything

They aren't socialist. The means of production are almost entirely privately owned like the US. They just have heavy taxation for welfare programs.

>>134315580
We need to brin Videla back

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>>134316362
Don't forget the edgy retarded comments like this one

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Socialism is rejection of Christianity and really any religion and is a far left winged ideology that forces the middle class and the wealthy to redistribute their wealth, a stepping stone to communism fuck you cuck.

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>>134310452
Anon, three out of the four countries you've listed are bankrupt. How can you hope to advance an argument in favour of socialism using these examples?

(Norway isn't bankrupt because they've sensibly invested their oil revenues over the decades.)

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this is why

No economic growth.

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The free market helps those who want to help themselves.

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And this is the perfect explanation.

>>134311215
This

>>134310452
Who cares, can you post more Asian girls?

>>134311215
This

But at what point does a state become a socialist one?

I honestly don't know the difference between socialist and communist

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>>134311539
Incredible.

>>134310452
The Nordic Socialism is a meme, even we are more Socialist than they are.

>>134311775
usually the rich people are the ones that create the jobs so shut the fuck up you retarded leaf. Just heard your govt gave 10m to a fucking terrorist for being in Guantanamo for throwing a grenade killing a delta force medic and blinding another solider. FUCK YOU AND YOUR TERRORIST FRENCHKEKED COUNTRY.

>>134310452
>Why do you guys hate socialism?
Because fuck you and your bills.

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>>134313014
/ourguy/

>>134312288
They pay much more than anyone else and work harder as well, they deserve the money they earn.

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>>134310452
Fuck of commieeeeeeeeeee

You don't have a right to my property. Taxation is theft.

>>134311496

Not true, Switzerland + Germany have Dagpenge only not bistand like we have. We also have incredible high Vat tax + car taxes. Swedes come to Denmark to drink cuz its cheaper due to tax

>>134310452
>Why do you guys hate socialism?
>>Denmark
>>Sweden
>>Finland
>>Norway

Homogeneous societies (or used to be). Look at Sweden now. It's welfare situation is exploding with recipients, while the contributors have rapidly declined.

Social constructs, or at least the popular societal norms, have also shifted left in ideology, preventing more conservative viewpoints from being popular. These simultaneous shifts create an entitlement mentality and a dwindling supply of resources to fund these ideological institutions.

In other words:
Socialism works in a homogeneously ethnic civilization pillared on familial values and rooted in a strong work ethic.

Socialism fails in a multicultural civilization where self-important endeavors are the order of the day. People go "John Galt" overnight, and the system collapses on itself.

>>134310452
How much in taxes do the nordic countries pay?

>>134319574
38% income tax + 8% AMbidrag + 4% Retirement + other small fee's

Then we have VAT tax which is 25% of the price on everything we buy and the endless of other small hidden fee's, regulations and taxes.

It's a retarded amount of money.

>>134318285
Americans and many westerners tend to equate social programs w/ socialism.
This is largely due to The Republicans trying to associate cold war heat against socialism/communism w/ the American lef. This worked well until recently where it backfired and lefties think they're socialists because they wanna get paid a lot to serve coffee, they don't know that's not how socialism works.
Socialism is when the workers control the means of production. Capitalism allows for both private and co-op ownership. The main difference being private ownership isn't theoretically allowed in a socialist society.
So, technically, you could have a Capitalist country with massive social programs and benefits and a socialist society where there are no social benefits. People don't realize this.
Equating social programs w/ Socialism is a fairly recent phenomena.

>>134310452
we don't hate socialism, if it benefits the workers, like i don't know, national socialism ?

>>134320056
good post leaf

>>134310452
Nah, in those 4 countries it's legal to be unemployed, legal to leave, legal to own property and legal to outsource.
All of these things are illegal in the perfect example of socialism: the Soviet Union.

>>134320157
natsoc isn't the workers controlling the means of production. If socialism was the colour purple Hitlers socialism would be Green.

>>134318893
They don't need rights to what already belongs to them.
They also can't thieve what already belongs to them.

Come up with a new argument, fags.

any system of government is shit if it is controlled by jews. every single version of socialism after nazi germany was controlled by jews and used only as a stepping stone towards communism. theres a reason why socialism appears twice on the political spectrum; one is just to the right of communism and the other is all the way on the right

>>134320324
Workers controlling the means of production is marxist socialism.

>>134318290
No arguments, no valid point no facts...why do you bother?

>>134310452
>have huge supply of oil money to sell to europe

WOW EVERYTHING WORKS WITH TONS OF MONEY!

>>134320468
I know but that's what 99% of people in the thread think it is. People still sprout the Hitler was a le evil seizing means of production socialist.

>>134310452
How many fucking times does this need to be explained?

Yes, in tiny white countries socialism works out okay
In big countries full of parasitic muds, it works out not so okay

>>134310452
>Sweden
>takes care of their population

Newfag

>>134312030
well, uhm because the top 0.1% are working 99.9% more than the rest

>>134310452
>Finland
>socialist
you can pick only one

>>134321354
Finsocialland

>>134310452
All irrelevant and have never done anything of note.

>>134310452
That isn't socialism, retard.

>>134310452

Ugh. Stop taking in the mindless commie propaganda and analyze things yourself.

Nordic countries are capitalist, more so than the US actually. The difference is that they mix socialism with it in the way of taxation, their taxation exceeds 50%, and then the money is used as a social safety net.

But it can only work in societies that are stable and homogeneous, which is why sweden is starting to cut down on it, its not sustainable if you have a sudden massive increased in population and they do not work.

>>134310452
I wonder how they can afford their defense budget

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>>134321390
Says the aussie. Your goverment took your guns away and all but crocodile dundee gave up theirs. Nation of faggots

>>134310452
Socialism is always forced and always fails because economy
No, removing capitalism won't make it work either

>>134310452
We are not socialists though you damn nigger

>>134311896
This. Fukken bernie bros. Nordics are not your socialist utopia, deal with it

>>134310452
why is it that they have more cancer victims??
search it up.

>>134310452
You're a dumb fucking that doesn't realize all those countries you listed are capitalist nations with high taxation. Neither of those nations would be successful if it was all socialist.

You fucking Bernie tards need to commit suicide.

>>134320703
>In big countries full of parasitic muds, it works out not so okay
By "parasitic", do you mean the people who built the country for free/cheap?

>>134311896

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

>>134321924
>implying that capitalism with high taxes isn't what Americans left and right call "socialism"
What we have is merely a problem of vocabulary.

>>134319574
My income tax are 13% +~5% pension fees n shit
And VAT is like 24% but things like food etc have 14% so everything is more or less expensive

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>>134320352
I will when you can refute mine.

One of the most succesful examples of socialism is probably national socialism ironically. They did a complete turn around economically and their welfare programs were pretty succesful

>>134312030
>people save more the more they earn
>wahh I can't save more than I earn
>being this much of a retarded leaf

>>134310452
lol fuck off ameriburger, you propably won't be able to look us from the map and believe we are "socialist". GTFO please

>>134322259
No. I mean countries full of outdated farm equipment that have been nothing but locusts since their masters were put on time out

Go back to the cotton pickin kiddie table

>>134317930
Yea! But when the money is nothing worth or you have no money! You can starve! Right?
Fuck your Logic!

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>>134310452
Fuck off.
>pay 75% in tax
>healthcare is fucking garbage and still not free
>pension system is fucked and many elderly are living in poverty
>niggers and mudslimes get to cut in line to rental housing
>ok so lets buy a house? compete against the goverment buying houses for niggers and mudslimes
>nvm that house prices are fucking MENTAL (average 10k USD / m^2 in stockholm inner city, 7k USD / m^2 in some shitty nigger infested suburb)
>get blasted everyday in media how evil white men are
>swedish women have the most inflated ego on the fucking planet
>comparable men:women ratio to china
>can only buy alchohol from state monopoly institution

>perfect examples of socialism

KILL YOURSELF
>KILL YOURSELF
KILL YOURSELF
>KILL YOURSELF
KILL YOURSELF
>KILL YOURSELF
KILL YOURSELF
>KILL YOURSELF

>>134315580
/pol/ are hypocrites about everything
>hate it when niggers fuck white women and then disappear creating a single mom
>but it's ok when a white guy fucks cheap thai whores and gets them pregnant then disappears
>hate racemixing
>would instantly take the chance to fuck the first asian girl that would accept them
>might even fuck a black girl if she wasn't ghetto tier
>anti-socialism
>significant portion live off of NEETbux
>white cop kills a nigger for no reason
>come up with a hundred bullshit reasons why the nigger deserved it
>black cop kills anyone
>MUH NIGGERS
this board is trash

>>134327380
Well said pharro

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>>134310452
What about Venezuela?

>>134311227
>socialism
The closest one out of any of those to socialism is Cuba.

>>134325821
Sweden really is fucked and the funny thing is that most of svens are in full denial mode. I have relatives and friends in sweden and some of them still lives in that everything is okay mode on. Woke up sven

>>134311539
>we've implemented more socialist and communist regulations rules and laws on our economy.
>not real capitalism
lol

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>Country has a good welfare state
>"OH MY GOD!!!! GOMMUNISM!!!"

>>134313430
Nice meme. The definitions of the terms when Lenin said that were such that he was saying the authoritarian state would dissolve and a classless society would form. When people like you post that quote you're usually saying that a Europe-style welfare system or social spending will somehow lead to a communist takeover and the leader becoming someone like Pol Pot. Both interpretations are horse shit.

>>134318028
Yeah that didn't work out so well. When government deregulates businesses, things go to shit pretty quickly. Back when we had no regulations like building codes, minimum wage, labor unions, or workers' benefits, living conditions were complete shit for most of the population.

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>>134318893

>>134329084
Hahaha! Right this I(^^)

>>134310452
>homogenous
>not socialist
>EU and US pay for everything so they have the luxury of being a welfare state.

Literally selling away your freedom for a sense of security.
Well you won't feel so safe here in about 50 years, and that's why you don't sell away your freedom.

>>134311215
Forget it have explained this a dozen times here.

If the state pays you money its socialism for americans.

>>134328358
I'd go with Venuzuela. Cuba has made more and more exceptions especially in the last years, where small businesses were allowed.

>>134311215
came here to post this.

>>134330766
What are you talking about. We give more money to eu than It gives us and i believe sweden and denmark does same, And what comes to nato only norway and denmark are members. We have our own army and sweden have a lot of feminist. Who the fuck wants attack them. Putin is like yack, strong woman, no go no way

Only good commie is a dead commie

>>134310452
> cites homogeneous populations
> cites countries with total populations less than major US cities
You're an idiot

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>>134332233
>We have our own army and sweden have a lot of feminist.

>>134318382
Wrong country burger
>burger education everyone

>>134311215
Dane here.

This

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>>134310452
Go to bed bernie, national socialism is the answer.

>>134328551
found the gibs collector, get a job fag, and see how you like it when you are paying for it.

>>134310612
American parties don't always follow the rules of similarly named parties outside.

>>134311215
THIS!!!

>>134310452
It's simple. Welfare state = Women marry the state. Why? Because it's more benifical for them

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>>134314254
underrated

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>>134310452
>It's only real socialism when it works

>>134310452
Socialism only works in closed borders, white ethnostate. Socialism in 3rd world countries give you Venezuela.

Guys, nordic countries aren't socialist. They have free market, freedom to impose any price they want, anyone can start an enterprise. That's call a Social Democracy or an extremly generous welfare state.

Cocept of socialist is marxist: What you guys are seeing trough the news about my country (Venezuela). And what you saw before the Berlin wall fall.

"Scandinavian countries are socialists" nigga what? stop saying that bullshit.

>>134335510
You are retarded, we are capitalists

Should also point out to op that all his examples have a high density of whites (for now)
Big welfare works when your population has strong ethics. The flood of hungry niggers will soon ruin that

>>134310452
Gross, skinny fat nastiness. Why are Asians so fundamentally out of shape? They are not huge, not obese, but there is literally zero tone or muscle mass. Just sloppy (yet small) skinny fat skin. Never fails. I am surprised they are even mobile with that complete lack of muscle.

>>134327380
>but it's ok when a white guy fucks cheap thai whores and gets them pregnant then disappears
>hate racemixing
>would instantly take the chance to fuck the first asian girl that would accept them
>might even fuck a black girl if she wasn't ghetto tier

Holy fuck anon. You seriously need to lurk more before posting, no one on this board supports hapas or fucking niggers, do you really expect someone to rant about why racemixing is ok, a rant like this? No.

>white cop kills a nigger for no reason
>come up with a hundred bullshit reasons why the nigger deserved it

What case are you talking about when you say police officers shooting niggers had been for no reason what so ever. Do you have a link or something? Because if I remember most niggers HAD actually done something to warrant getting shot etc.

>anti-socialism
>significant portion live off of NEETbux

I don't know what to tell you anon, 4chan as a site in general is too lazy to actually get a job. Except for /biz/ I guess.

>>134312030

Letting people keep what they've earned is not giving money to the rich

fucking idiot.

>>134310452
Because it, and any form of welfare as seen dating back to the grain dole of Rome, leads to debt or the collapse of the nation, due to massive debts you won't pay with money

Hell, Denmark has openly claimed they are a market economy with a fuck ton of welfare.

Let the republic follow the path of Rome, I want to see how this country falls

>>134310452
because i live in a socialist shithole.