Why are German cars considered premium and come with a premium

why you hide your amercian flag?

>>134180958
This is true. vw especially has reliability issues that owners don't want to accept because...you know...their status as a German car owner is more important. Most cars nowadays are on a par with the Germans if not better in terms of reliability. If you want to pay more for status and better cabin plastics then that is up to you. Sheep follow sheep.

cadillacs are cooler i have an ats 4wd
the other cars have edgy useless interiors and rounded feminine curves on the body.
cadillacs are modern anglar yet classic
t. had nothing to do while on business trip and went to carmax every day

>>134180958
never had trouble with my BMW or Mercedes

The Swedes make a great car through. My Volvo keeps on trucking.,

>>134181593
You can buy an italian car if those are your nagging points.

Oh, wait... Those are Premium-Premium Gold membership.

>>134180958
We have to pay a massive tax on the cars in Aus, which sucks, wouldnt mind spankin new c63

>>134180958
If you can afford a new one when the warranty runs out, they are great.

German engineering likes to over complicate everything and over time that leaves more to break.

>>134180958
just get a volvo before workforce is replaced by women or niggers and all factories shut down

volvos
>hipster trash
other german cars
>techno mullet having fags

>>134180958
I don't buy German strictly because they are a cucked country. I planned on buying an A6, but I don't want my money going toward the welfare of Muslim bulls.

>>134182674
>volvos
>>hipster trash
But can hipsters even afford it

TBh only the middle class or higher drive these cars. hipsters ride fixed gear bikes

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>>134180958
german engineering is so good to the point that they've built up such a reputation that they are now engineered to fail, yet people keep buying them.

they built the meme during the 60s-80s when american/british cars were total dogshit and have been living off it ever since.

great cars for 24 months but never own one longer than that

that's another good point every dollar spent on a german car is basically paying for farooq to come enrich europe>>134182721

>>134181593
Ahah. If you ever have driven French cars you know you'd better stick to German cars.

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>>134180958
Picrelated has literally every feature of a similar-year german car, looks arguable as good, yet is less than half the price.

>>134182838
you fucking piece of trash moron
have you seen some of these trust fund hipsters some of those bikes are 10k you pos

>>134182996
why anyone would ever buy a french/italian car (excluding dumb supercars) is beyond me. you just know it's going to be a turd.

>>134183053
arguably*

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The only euro cars I like are Volvo's. especially their wagons.

Otherwise imma stick with japanese,. for a "luxury" car I think I would still rather a Lexus than a German car.

pic related is what I currently drive.

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>>134180958
>TFW Toyota Tacoma made in beautiful San Antonio, TX

>>134180958
German cars havereliability issues? Wtf man? I see thousands of 20 yo Mercedeses, VWs, Opels and Audis and I've never heard of a Peugeot, Citroen or Hyundai older than 10-12 years. If there is any it's fucked up to the fullest. Can't say anything about American ars since there is not many of them here. But German cars>>>>>French and Japanese/Asian, without any doubt.

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ITT: really fucking salty non-germans trying to cope with the fact that Germans are superior in engineering and basically everything

>>134182234
>cuck mobiles

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THIS, is the power of German engineering.

German engineering is undoubtedly a thing, just not necessarily a good thing. For example, compare a Colt 1911 with a Luger P08. They're both hand held pieces of machinery that are designed to place a small piece of lead in a guy's body to make him leave you alone. If you completely strip a 1911 you have a handful of fairly sturdy and simple parts and some fasteners. Detail stripping a Luger results in a heap of pins, plates, springs and other unidentifiable bits that may or may not ever go together again to form an identifiable firearm.

They're both really cool guns, but the design philosophy behind them is readily apparent when you start taking them apart.

>>134180958
hello mr trump

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>>134180958

The "Germean Engineering" myth.

http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-pieces-of-shit-1784684330

>>134182498
This exactly. My family has owned several late model used mercedes. Anything and everything (in which there is a lot of everything will fail and everything costs way more than its worth.

A new mercedes under warranty is where its at. Id still buy a luxury jap car first but whatevs.

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Japanese for sure.

Although alot of them are built in USA and Canada now.

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>>134183193

>>TFW Toyota Tacoma made in beautiful San Antonio, TX

Still very un-American-- especially when GM, ford and Dodge are pumping out great trucks.

>>134183849
they're also both from the early 1900s. Germany has designed some really great guns since then that are world class.

In cars, I agree with you - they design overcomplicated shit that's designed to break and fuel parts/maintenance sales at their dealerships. The german industrial equipment I have dealt with however has been top notch.

>>134180958
>known to fall a part and have reliability issues
Is that why they are at the top in TÜV report and such? The report is based on the owners saying how satisfied they are with the cars and people have been pretty satisfied with them in the last 10 years, so not sure where you're getting your meme from, apart from VW scam
>>134183313
>German cars>>>>>French and Japanese/Asian
I'd agree on French being shit, but older Japanese cars were reliable as fuck, even more so than the German ones. The fucking engines just kept on going and going, but they've soon realised that you are better off selling cars of lower quality (when it comes to life span) so you can sell more., which is why they aren't the best anymore. Pretty much all car makers that go into mass production are now making cars with a limited life span, like >>134182931 said, including Germans. By my experience, anything past 2000 will work for a few years, then literally everything will start getting fucked, because it was designed that way

The most American cars right now are Hondas.

>>134183370
Yes German technical superiority was demonstrated by the efficiency of their industrial gas fired ovens...

Unfortunately this superiority will slip as the Germans are bred out of existence by the Turks, Arabs and East Africans.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the thought that the people who created the Nuremberg Laws for Racial Hygene are now allowing their genetic pool to be polluted by non Northern European blood.

>>134184345
>great trucks
I had an F-150 and the engine block cracked.

>>134183177
Hows that launch control working out for ya? Snapped my rear axel leaving the lot and had the salesmen push that pos back onto the lot and got a nice lexus instead.

>>134184441
forgot link https://www.tuv.com/media/01_presse_2/all_languages_pressemeldungen/tuev_report_2017/Maengelriesen_und_Maengelzwerge_AutoBild_TUeV_Report_2017.pdf

>>134184416
>>they're also both from the early 1900s.

Indeed. Modern guns are a different story. New handguns will spoil you as far as ease of maintenance is concerned. So easy to take apart it makes you feel like something's missing.

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>>134181006

They get built by niggers and other shit skins now, of course they are going to fall apart

BMW owner here. Yeah it's a meme. So many cheap plastic parts that keep breaking in the interior. Engine makes strange growling noises when switching gears. I was surprised considering the make's reputation.

Germans were never known for good engineering mate.Germans are well known for OVERengineering everything they touch,because they always want to fix something thats not broken and then fix the problems caused by the fix to fix the problem caused by the fixes fix and so on.
German engineering was always a meme,they are corrupt as fuck - look emissions etc - and have good pr and thats it.You want a reliable car you go for a jap car.

>>134184441
Agree on that. If they were able to make cars last 30 years 30 years ago, they sure can make that today. They just don't want to.

>>134183053
Don't get me wrong senpai I like the car and American cars in general but the interior is usually absolutely dogshit when compared to German ones.

>>134185082

Lexus typically ranks up there on Consumers.

>>134184441

There's also too many parts to break in modern cars. Sure power-everything is where we're come and it's impossible to go back, but it's just more shit to break. I don't want infotainment systems, just leave my AC and radio with physical buttons.

>>134183053
The tax for 5.0 engine is too high and the mpg is too low to even consider it.

At least we can agree Japanese cars are the best.

>>134185316
I dont care what consumers say mate.You should not care too.Tell you why: because consumers are not logical,they have feelings for their car,they would fuck their car if it would happen to have a vagina,they will never speak about the flaws.If you want to know what cars are good you go to the local mechanic and ask what cars does he fix mostly.

German cars are unreliable because the rich idiots who buy them have no idea how to properly use them or maintain them. I've had vw's and audis my whole life and never had any problems. I like German cars because they feel solid to drive and are very comfortable. Japanese cars feel like tin and American cars are just generally too bulky. I would love a new mustang 5.0 though.

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>>134186232
what a high-quality canadian shitpost

>>134185082
Case in point: Porsche 911. How they made that thing sell is still a mystery. Rear Engine - Rear Wheel Drive just don't make any sense for a sportscar yet it sells.

>>134180958
They used to be nice, hand made. Look at the cars from the 60s/70s to see. Pretty dope cars.
But then the shareholders realized that they could make a ton more money by selling cars with lower quality but still at a semi-premium price, but to more people.
Just like American cars in the 80s were dogshit, they still kind of carry that reputation today. I used to work at the MB headquarters anon.

>>134180958
German engineering is good, it's their terribly outsourced materials that fall apart.

>>134186690
Cars are status symbols.The small dick big car is not entirely a joke you know.

>>134186336
That dog has mastered the art of territory marking

>>134186846
The CLA/GLA cars are total shit. They fuck up all the time bc there is an ecu below the washer fluid resivour, which conveniently starts leaking after 12-18 months.
There's also a wiring harness at the lowest point in the chassis, where water tends to collect. They're both the same platform and virtually identical under the hood.
I really like the E class though. Don't ever bother with the new pickups. They're rebadged nissans or some shit. Also the CLS is the same chassis as an E class, but it's sold at the S class price point.

>>134180958
German engineering is a meme, it's our terrifically materials made in Germany that are good.

Teenyboppers get wet at my 5 series

>>134187134
I drive a Niva since 1987.I dont care really about cars.

>>134181915
Bought my 3 series with 10k miles on it. Had the engine replaced under warranty cause of a defect.

Aside from that, its the most reliable car I've ever owned and I own a 4Runner which has given me more headaches than my BMW.

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>>134183597
No....THIS, is the power of German engineering.

German cars are shit bit they expensive shit. German motorcycles are awesome though.

>>134181593
>VW
Every white girl under 30, "look at my basic German car"
Official p/o/l Ranking:
Merc>BMW>>>Merc A Class>>>>>>Smart Car>>>>>>>>Audi(aka VW) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VW

>>134180958
Germans care at home plus a french one. Motorbikes from Italy aswell. 0 issues with any of ´em.

Also there is a really big German factory in my city which always been nice to the population so...would buy again.
Sorry Tom.

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>>134180958
I like my Fiat 500 manual but I don't know much about cars lol

>>134187354
Cool story. Why are you commenting in a thread about cars then?

>>134184345
>dodge

Yeah if you want your axle to drop at highway speeds like it happened to my cousin

>>134187523
Cars*

>>134187573
Because my wife is a retard and only wants german cars because that will show the neighbours we're not poor anymore.

Camaro ZL1 with 1LE Performance Package:
650 HP
650 lb-ft
195 mph
3.4 second 0-60
(Manual transmission specs. auto equipped cars are even faster)
$71,520

Audi R8 V10
540 HP
378 lb-ft
198 mph
3.6 second 0-60
(Automatic transmission)
$~145,000

>>134180958
>Is German engineering g a meme?

Yes, that being said however, BMW and VW are the most reliable, and best bang per buck. Mercedes is a literally meme brand unless you are a millionaire who can afford the top tier S class and AMG range.

Audi is complete trash.

t, mechanic.

>>134187745
>horsepower and acceleration are only factors
You can rice out a civic for less and get 1200 hp. Who cares? Audis are shit though. I'd take the rice rocket, even that should be more tasteful.

>>134188027
>1200hp civic for less

No.

I have an X3 with over 115,000 miles and the engine is still spotless.

Just shit like brake calipers or cylinders are the only real issue come service time

>>134187901
I would agree with that however VWs especially are hellish to work on without little girly fingers.

>>134187901
t. Mechanic who hasn't seen a Merc in 5 years.
>BMWs are reliable
Lmao. I think the Chinese can build better transmission than BMW. VW is the performance of a tractor with the price tag and maintanence of an entry Audi.

>>134188027
I know, but there really is not a way I can objectively compare specs like software and interior
However, the Camaro has Recaro Alcantara seats, and the Audi has leather that costs 6k as an option, so Ima still take the Camaro any day of the week

>>134188109
You mean, I can't buy a $2000 old civic and put $75,000 of engine and shit in it to beat a Ferrari or Camaro, etc in a drag race?

>>134188206
Reliability among German cars, not other cars, BMW is pretty solid in my experience.

>>134180958
It's been a meme since the 80s,sincerely /o

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>>134183053
it also comes with a pedestrian targeting system and the steering has been removed
everything inside is plastic and looks like shit from every angle

>>134188315
I don't think you could get 1200hp out of any civic engine even, with unlimited funds.

>>134187428
My 3rd gen 4runner has 140k miles and runs like new save for a leaky valve cover gasket....but they all have that. I love mine, nothing is more satisfying than rolling down the back windshield and giving someone the finger

>>134188586
That's because most the German cars in India are probably from the 80s.
Superpowe...

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>>134188624
>what is a swap

>>134180958
Very much a meme. I owned VWs and Audis... Both were electrical nightmares and replacement parts are massively overpriced.

>>134188680
Of course you could swap an engine..

>>134181593

Germans cars are better.
I have only had German VWs.

I am looking to buy an old MG F from the 90s...

Why did you Brits stopped making good family cars?

>>134188624
Read it again. I never said keep the engine. Put in aftermarket engine. The point is that form also matters, not just function. There's a reason why Ferraris cost so much, it's not because they are the fastest.

there is a reason why 4 of the top 10 cars for millionaires include the Honda Accord, Civic, CRV.

BMWs are fasttrack to lemon status, mercedes are reliable and drive like yachts but your paying a primium for the logo and expect 1k every mechanic visit

honestly if you are looking to ball on a 90k 7 series, you might as well go one step further and go with rolls royce or a bently since you demonstrate your arab-like need to spend on frivolties

>>134188769
Same company m8. Both are shit.

>>134181593

VWs were, for a time, made in Mexico.

The rest are rock fucking solid. It's going to be a sad day if Trump imposes insane tariffs on them.

Daimler employee in R&D here.
Also worked with Infinity.

1. Germans fuck up as well butvwe worry a lot about shit so its LEDs then others. But since there are problems that is all the customer remembers.

2. We all have the same suppliers (takata top KEK) so yeah it only makes sense to compare parts which are unique too see who builds the better car but consumers cant do that.

3. we fucking care. Ive seen engineers argue about 1mn foam for better accoustics like the while car depends on it. At the Ende money decides. That's why don't judge an S-class by the quality of an c-clasd

>>134180958

It's a tradeoff.

Either you have something that is very finely tuned, handles great and goes fast or you have something that lasts a long time, is low maintenance and more boring.

Personally I choose the boring car because I don't like spending tons of maintenance or parts.

>>134188886
>Honda Accord

I have a 2007 Accord Luxury V6, had since 2010, interior is on par with BMW, and the reliability is, well - it's a Honda so zero problems, Just an oil change every 5000km, check other fluids, belts, brakes and it will run forever pretty much.

>>134183415
Volvo is actually legit.

It surprised me when I tried their truck cars.

>>134183053
Mustang is awesome but it's not that practical and gas costs a lot in Europe, plus taxes for huge volume.

>>134184345
>Still very un-American-- especially when GM, ford and Dodge are pumping out great trucks.
The competition between American and Toyota truck makers have benefited us all. All the above now make great trucks.

>>134180958
>when they are known to fall a part and have reliability issues?

I never had a problem with my Mercedes. Do you know how to proper clutch and shift?

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Get fucked faggots. Acura MDX or nothing

>all these niggers in this thread talking about buying new cars
Buying a brand new car is generally considered the dumbest waste of money that people make since it will lose half its value as soon as you drive it off the lot. Only rich people with cash to blow and niggers who want to look rich do it.
>m-muh warranty
There's plenty of manufacturers offering certified pre owned w/ warranties and used car places like carmax who do too
>b-but I don't want anything to go wrong in the first place
Then develop a skill that every man who's not a nu-male cuck should have and buy a simple car that you've looked over for faults. You don't need all this faggy new fangled over-complicated shit that just leaves more stuff to go wrong. The best cars are ones you can fix with a crescent wrench and a screw driver.
Newer vehicles have absolutely zero character thanks to government regulation making them all the same. Men used to care about that sort of thing and used to know how to fix their own shit.

>>134180958
>Is German engineering g a meme?
It became a meme in past few decades. But then again a lot of things are of much lower quality than lets say 50-70 years ago. Consumerism...Buy it, it breaks (since it was built to break on purpose at certain point), throw it away and buy new. Fuck that.

>>134184713
>Indeed. Modern guns are a different story. New handguns will spoil you as far as ease of maintenance is concerned. So easy to take apart it makes you feel like something's missing.
This. I can literally break down and clean my Glock in well under two minutes

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>>134188231
You do realize you can buy recaro seats for anything, right? Pic related I have a set in my K3500

>>134189256
>upside down image
Australiafag detected

I have an Audi A5. It has 120k miles. It's super reliable. It's almost like a Toyota.

>>134181593
>anglo wanting to say anything about mechanical engineering

get the fuck out

>>134189115
nice
i recently negotiated upgrading, got tge 14 accord sport with 30k miles for south of 15k USD (in california, so Around 7k off).

My girlfriend drives a bent but she is going for an acura suv in the fall. I laugh all the time seeing saudis and dubai degenerates "stunt" with AMGs and high end beamers and then whine about being cash deficient (since all they do is hookah and spend thousands on tables at clubs)

no wonder their societies never have and never will advance. more image conscious than most women

I do pre-auction inspections on vehicles. I fucking hate dealing with BMW's because these cars are a pain in the ass and a problem waiting to happen. Terrible cars if you are going for reliability, and if you are in it for the looks... you have much better options.

The objectively best car you can own (if you can afford it) is an S-class (preferably AMG). There is literally no competition. It's the most comfortable car, it's German, and it can drive fast if you're into that (obviously can't compete with sport cars but still)

If you have money, buy an S-class is all I can say

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>>134189053
>That's why don't judge an S-class by the quality of an c-clasd
This

>>134189664
Your post is pointless. When people talk about reliability and comfort they mean normally priced cars, 20-40k euros range.
S-class is a luxury vehicle.

>>134189840
I understand that just wanted to get it out of my chest for the people who think German engineering is a meme

>>134189471
We don't have Acura here, however we did get the MDX just under the Honda brand.

>>134189575
I'll probably get a newer accord at the end of the year, maybe 2015 with low miles on, seriously solid cars.

>>134189664
The S-class is the greatest car ever made, if i ever become a millionaire it will be my first choice.

>>134189256

>A crossover for women

No thanks faggot

>>134189519
Britain had invented more important machines than any nation on earth, what the fuck has Poland invented other than how to install foreigner's toilets cheaply?

>>134190175
Lmao he is right though, Britain is nothing but a meak shadow of its former glory

>>134189957
if you do, try to go for the sport, if for anything its a premium cloth interior that isnt squishy bubble shit but its not leather so no searing your back likr a steak during the summer

>>134182996
>>134183095

You don't know shit, you can't even buy French cars in America. French and Italian cars actually score higher for reliability than German cars now, the engines are great its only the electrics that are a problem. Germans just pretend to be reliable by making the cabin feel more solid (no rattles) but the engines are pure shit with deliberately engineered failure points as all the new TSI and TDI motors have.

>>134184675
Have a '15 STi bought new and went stage 2 on it. Beautifully engineered and incredibly solid. I don't beat it up and smack the rev limiter or drop the clutch. Now have about 18000 miles on it. A year ago bought a used '14 Lexus GS350 which I now prefer as my daily driver. Obviously the Lexus has more "luxury" about it, but wouldn't say that the drivetrains are on par with each other. No idea what you mean by launch control on a manual gearbox.

>>134189282
/thread

I got a F250 Superduty V10. It is a 2001 not a single problem. If you are going to go American go big. Americans don't do small very well.

>>134190694
Funny how you complain about engines when the budget cars from Mercedes and BMW have Peugeot engines.

>>134182674
>volvo
>german

>>134180958
They're designed to fall apart.Spare parts and repair costs are huge business.

>>134191412
Volvo is actually owned by chinese now,if memory serves well.

>>134184575
>t.56% white
Good to hear that from you jamal.

>>134191622
Triggered much?You never engineered anything well.Even your most famous Tiger was nightmare of overengineered shit.All of Germany approaches meme tier fast as light.

>>134180958
German cars are overrated, overpriced garbage. My dad insists on driving Mercs as a status symbol because he's a relatively big earner. Every one he has ever bought has been new from dealership and is plagued with issues after 80k. On the flipside all I've ever driven in my life are nip cars, mostly Toyotas. I have 200k+ on my Tundra and it's still running as clean as the day I bought her. Conversely, my wife drives a Siena cause of its stellar crash ratings. Only 2 years in but it's also running spectacular like every other Toyota we've ever owned.

I loathe nips but their cars have yet to fail me.

German cars = trash

>>134181748
All wheel drive not 4wd

>>134180958
German cars are not 100% produced in germany. If you buy one that was actually produced here you get something that is worth your money. If you buy a vw produced in mexico you get a mexican car with a german price tag.

>>134188594
>pedestrian targeting system

sure, if you drive like a fucking idiot and aren't strong enough to steer it

>>134189225
That's true, maybe not quite as practical in europe, but the ecoboost model is still quite good

I've owned several German cars (BMW M3, 330Ci, 550i, Volkswagen Fox, Volkswagen Golf, Volkswagen Jetta) and in my experience they were all quite touchy and prone to have one little niggling malfunction after another. A few of the problems were completely debilitating, while the rest were just cosmetic, annoying. All were expensive to fix. They rarely were in top shape, and there always seemed to be some issue with a sensor or other such thing.

The M3 (E46) was fun, but didn't feel fast at all, even though it was pretty quick on paper. The others were pretty boring to drive, with the exception of the 1993 Fox (which you might know as the "Gol"), which was extremely slow but made up for this by being a blast to drive quickly, both on and off road. It was also the most reliable, despite being made in Brazil by literal jungle apes. Much simpler car, I suppose, so less stuff to go wrong.

Without a doubt the least reliable car i've owned is Japanese. My 1994 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo, literally broke down and became undriveable a few times a year at least. All this, with far-fewer than 100K miles. But I suppose old, over-engineered sportscars like that are gonna be a pain in the ass no matter what, especially if you're not a skilled mechanic. Those cars are pure joy to drive though, when running correctly. Would still recommend, if you have a boner for one.

I had a Mustang GT that had a couple minor issues, but it was primitive enough to work on myself, so that made it easy to live with. Lots of fun to drive, but be careful in the rain.

>>134193688
this. replacement "german" car parts for "german" cars come from turkey into my shithole of a country

just like with any other EU product, we get the shittier version

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>ask /o/ wether I should buy audi with 200k km on the clock
>pricetag was 800€
>tell me it'll break after one day, german engineering is meme
>buy it anyway
>drive it to 220k km
>sell it for 500€

been in love with them ever since. planning on getting a low mileage one when my basketweaving business finally takes off.

>>134196163
>been in love with them ever since. planning on getting a low mileage one when my basketweaving business finally takes off.

Who'd you sell it to?

>>134196315

some arab who had a business exporting shitty old cars.

>>134196163
>drive it to 220k km

you forgot to mention the part where you replaced the electronics, the transmission, and the random pieces of the interior started making rattling noises like an african orchestra.

>>134180958
>asking why the market sets the price for a product via demand and supply

Jesus, should we start at the basics and the merchants theory of Edward Misselden and Gerard Malynes?

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People who can't afford German cars cry about German cars. Hmm...

>>134180958
Honestly there's barely a difference between reliability in major car brands these days. They're all top notch. It's not like it used to be where there was a huge variability.

What are some cars considered good in america?

>>134180958
Overengineering + expensive parts

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>>134196680
>supply and demand is a good enough price predictor
Lmao @u

>>134184345

That are made in Mexico.

>>134196956
Yes, in capitalism supply and demand sets the price, my socialist friend.

German cars are sold at a premium because there is more demand for them than for non-German cheaper cars.