The only way to end class conflict within the nation is to remove

>>134029822
Hurr let's kill everyone we don't like
Literally nigger behavior

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>Class conflict
What do you mean by this?

>>134030151
Stop that. We need to be killing more people. White lethality is the only thing that can stop white genocide.

>>134030260
Class creates major divisions within the nation that can never be stamped out. The only way to remove those divisions is to remove one of the two classes entirely and create a workers ethno-state.

>>134030363
He's a liberal, liberals will always be frightened by the idea of violence because they only seek to preserve the status quo. They're naive enough to think that they can vote in meaningful political change within the inherently corrupt system of liberal democracy.

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Remember who the real enemies are.

>>134030538
>predators
>cronies
>rent-seekers
All of which comprise the rich. Quit defending traitors and power brokers.

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>>134029822
>Men are not equal and should not be attempted to made equal
>natural hierarchies are good
>People are too stupid to owns the means of production themselves
>Socialism destroys innovation and never works
>Class conflict is a shitty meme marxists use to divide a nation
>Night of the long knives was a amazing night
Fuck off leftypoo.

>>134030387
>Class creates major divisions within the nation that can never be stamped out
It's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. Class comes from worth. The higher classes have higher IQs for example. When people know they're not as good as the kang and that the upper classes are better beed, they can be comfortable in that. Your angst comes from the expectation of equality, but nature is a state of inequality. The state has to balance socialism and meritocracy in a way that's most beneficial. The state should hook people up with work, but not just throw money at them. There should be some ability for social climbing, but it can't degenerate into ruthless consumerism.

>>134029822
I honestly sometimes think NazBol is the only way.

The mainstream/Marxist left uses resentment about being a poorfag to divide the white race, and godes them into abandoning culture in favor of base materialism. Pure capitalism is also too closely-linked with the mainstream/Republican right these days. We have people in the RNC who are afraid to support muslim bans because "muh open borders = free market, hurr". There are also tons of globalist Jews in the rich elite, and "conservatives" who have to support them either out of necessity to climb the ladder, or just desire to get some of their shekels.

If we combine socialism and nationalism, we can get something that all the white millennials and youth can find solace in. Maybe. All I know is that whites spend too much time fighting each-other over the left/right paradigm, while shitskins take advantage of both sides.

>>134031039
Better bred*

>>134031101
>If we combine socialism and nationalism
N a t i o n a l S o c i a l i s m

Can you take your economic nonsense elsewhere? The West has nothing to do with your totalitarian stupidity.

>>134030387
you got it the wrong way around.
kill all the workers, and get a capitalist ethnostate

>>134030656
>All of which comprise the rich.
A good chunk of them.
But there will always be hierarchies. There will always be rich people. There's supposed to be a certain symbiosis between the social classes. An unequal, but shared prosperity. As much as possible it should be a meritocracy (but it will never be completely fair) and there should be some social mobility (but not everyone can be (relatively) rich).
But yeah, as it is, prosperity is not shared (ordinary people do not benefit from GDP increases anymore) and there's less social mobility than in victorian times. The elite sold us out. Literally only video games, porn and mind control from the media keeping people from revolting kek.
It's still incorrect to blame "the rich" though. They're not all in on it. Some of them are nationalists and want to fix things.

>>134029822
this is so transparently a leftypol shill operation

please fuck off back to whatever gay chan iteration you're hiding out on

>>134030656
He's correct though. There are traitors at all levels. Poorfags who only live to suck-up gibs are wasting white wealth. There are also tons of lower-class fags who are more than willing to cuck for globalism and shitskins.

I also believe that there is an honest section of "the rich" who constructed things of merit for the white community, and deserve their money. Globalist bankers and companies that openly promote anti-white agendas (such as Jewgle) should be our main targets, not some based nationalist who owns an America-first construction company.

>>134029822
Are you saying commies wanna keep muds and niggers and chinks out? Where do I sign up?

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>>134031101
>>134031249
Only the correct type of natsoc. Pic related

>>134031265
The west has a lot to do with totalitarian half of Europe were under totalitarian governments just couple of decades ago and before that then entity of Europe was under the Kings of Old. The increase in these freedoms has only destroyed Europe and the West. I agree their economics are brain dead though and it's a stupid ideology

>>134031456
We are against mass immigration, but there's no need to make this weird and hateful.

>>134031022
>Men are not equal and should not be attempted to made equal
Men should be allowed the fruits of their labor. Anything else is parasitism.
>natural hierarchies are good
Capitalistic hierarchies are not natural. The only natural hierarchies are those found within biology such as race and gender.
>People are too stupid to owns the means of production themselves
Then I guess the rich are also too stupid to own the means or production considering they're also people.
>Socialism destroys innovation and never works
What is market socialism
>Class conflict is a shitty meme marxists use to divide a nation
The nation is already divided. Marxists just happen to recognize it, even if their internationalism is incorrect.
>Night of the long knives was a amazing night
NotLK was a betrayal of National Socialism
>Fuck off leftypoo.
You first.
>>134031039
>It's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. Class comes from worth. The higher classes have higher IQs for example.
Citation needed.
>When people know they're not as good as the kang and that the upper classes are better beed, they can be comfortable in that. Your angst comes from the expectation of equality, but nature is a state of inequality.
See my above argument to the other anon, friend.
>The state has to balance socialism and meritocracy in a way that's most beneficial.
True meritocracy comes from a man earning the fruits of his own labor. If he cannot produce quality fruits, he will not be as high on the social ladder as someone who can.
>The state should hook people up with work, but not just throw money at them
I agree with this. Welfare is just a means to placate people. Hard work is a very spiritual undertaking.
>There should be some ability for social climbing, but it can't degenerate into ruthless consumerism.
I have no issue with this.

>>134029822
>remove the upper class entirely.
That just creates a new upper class you fucking retard. A hierarchical society is only shit if you're on the bottom rung and if you are you have no one but yourself to blame 99% of the time.
Stop trying to drag people down to your level, that's not what fascism or natsoc is about. It's about raising as many people as you can up to the highest level they can possibly be at.

NazBol is for /pol/yps that realize that if their right-wing nazi utopia ever came about, they would be melted down to glue, but they still want to be racist..

>>134031456
Not commie, Nazbol.

Commies are still globalist, materialist, faggots at the end of the day.

Nazbol is hardcore economic leftism + white nationalism.

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>>134031897
>if their utopia ever came about, they would be melted down to glue
>commie flag

>>134031687
>We are against mass immigration

Which is why there are tons of commie flags at every pro-immigration rally. Just replace the hammer and sickle with a big muslim cock raping an anus.

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>>134032167
>false flags aren't real

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>>134031823
>Men should be allowed the fruits of their labor. Anything else is parasitism.
They are they get paid. Anything else is taking away someone else's labor
>Capitalistic hierarchies are not natural. The only natural hierarchies are those found within biology such as race and gender.
Wrong those who are smarter and put more effort into running a business deserve more wealth then you the neet faggot does. You would kill all innovation
>Then I guess the rich are also too stupid to own the means or production considering they're also people.
The rich are smart they get the best education and have experience running them, the poor should have no say in how a business runs
>What is market socialism
Something which never works
>The nation is already divided. Marxists just happen to recognize it, even if their internationalism is incorrect.
Yeah and it's not rich vs poor it's non whites vs whites
>NotLK was a betrayal of National Socialism
Muh betrayal, get purged faggots
>You first.
Lmao I'm a goddam nazi your the one pushing for a guy who wanted to ally the Soviets. Now fuck off traitors

>>134031101
>I honestly sometimes think NazBol is the only way.
You'd be correct. There has to be a synthesis of the left and the right. One shouldn't just dogmatically take the ideas of one or the other but instead incorporate the best ideas that both have to offer while discarding the worst.
>The mainstream/Marxist left uses resentment about being a poorfag to divide the white race, and godes them into abandoning culture in favor of base materialism.
Well, I don't think they do that intentionally, at least not the genuine economic reductionists. They're bluepilled on race. With that said, the typical mainstream progressives who care more about social issues than economics are genuine enemies that admit they want to make whites into a minority to end some sort of perceived "privilege".
>Pure capitalism is also too closely-linked with the mainstream/Republican right these days. We have people in the RNC who are afraid to support muslim bans because "muh open borders = free market, hurr".
That's true, you have a lot of the upper class who actively lobby for policies that are leading to the demographic decline of the white race.
>There are also tons of globalist Jews in the rich elite, and "conservatives" who have to support them either out of necessity to climb the ladder, or just desire to get some of their shekels.
I agree 100%
>If we combine socialism and nationalism, we can get something that all the white millennials and youth can find solace in. Maybe. All I know is that whites spend too much time fighting each-other over the left/right paradigm, while shitskins take advantage of both sides.
You're right.

>>134031844
the solution is to remove the lower classes.
worker wages go up, iq goes up, per capita wealth goes up.

CAPITALISM REPLACES TRADITIONAL CULTURE WITH CONSUMER CULTURE -- ALWAYS

CAPITALISM IS GLOBALIST

CAPITALISM IS IMPORTING IMMIGRANTS

CAPITALISM IS THE CAUSE OF DEGENERACY

TROTSKYITES SWITCHED TO BEING NEOCONS WHEN THEY REALIZED GOMMUNISM FAILED, LOOK IT UP

WHEN WILL POL WAKE UP

>>134032271
>I-I-It's just false-flags, bro!

I knew commies were delusional, but damn.

>>134032330
No moron you can't remove lower classes either it just creates a new lower class
the solution is to raise EVERYBODY up to their maximum potential. If a certain group refuses to be raised up or stops others from being raised up due to pride (jews) or simply can't due to incompetence (like niggers) then you can sterilize that group of people.

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>>134032338
When they realize that communism and marxist socialism are just as cancerous as Capitalism and putting a thin layer of nationalism over it fixes nothing. Nazism is the only way for the future of the whites

Capitalism without the shitty parts of capitalism
Socialism without marxism,internationalism and without destroying innovation and onwnership of business and private property

>>134032638
>it creates a new lower class
no. if everyone has capital and land ownership like upper middle class do right now, there is no lower class

>>134031535
Do you really think that modern democracies are more free than the old monarchs? Sorry but the West is based on liberty. You can argue against Western ideals, but you can't pretend that they aren't what they clearly are.

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>>134029822
Good goyim.

>>134032724
Socialism existed before Karl Marx. It also exists after Marx, just look at North Korea. If DPRK had better leadership and some small changes, it would be the best country in the world. There's also such thing as market socialism.

>>134031022
Men are not equal but being a huge asshole is a great way to become wealthy. Most people would have several times as much money if they had no ethics whatsoever

>>134031378
>But there will always be hierarchies. There will always be rich people.
I don't have a problem with people being rich as long as their wealth is earned through their own labor and not by exploiting someone elses.
>There's supposed to be a certain symbiosis between the social classes. An unequal, but shared prosperity. As much as possible it should be a meritocracy (but it will never be completely fair) and there should be some social mobility (but not everyone can be (relatively) rich).
I think you're confusing the social classes with the economic classes. The social classes are biological in nature, i.e. race, gender, IQ, etc... etc... Economic classes are merely material in nature.
>But yeah, as it is, prosperity is not shared (ordinary people do not benefit from GDP increases anymore) and there's less social mobility than in victorian times. The elite sold us out. Literally only video games, porn and mind control from the media keeping people from revolting kek.
That's true.
>It's still incorrect to blame "the rich" though. They're not all in on it. Some of them are nationalists and want to fix things.
The thing is though, the vast majority of the 1% are only concerned with their own material interests as opposed to the social interests of the nation.

>>134030656
You can become rich without being a jerk.

>>134032844
>Do you really think that modern democracies are more free than the old monarchs?
yes of course. Where's your evidence that proves the people ordained by God and could chop of peasants heads all day if they wanted are more free then current day America. In monarchism none of your rights are secured, and speeches about wanting to overthrow the government get you a one way trip to the gallows
In a democracy i could could convert to Islam then say I'm gonna turn Australia into a Muslim state and nothing can be done. Just take America for example that's where freedom gets you. With less then 50% of your children white
>Sorry but the West is based on liberty
Wrong the West is based on Ancient Rome a totalitarian empire ruled by a single man and parts left over from the Medieval era and Christianity. If we were based on Freedom we would all be American rather then you still being under the Queen.

>>134033038
And that's why nazism is superior. The rich adapt to the rules and cannot harm the nation,it's people or be internationalists

>>134031454
>He's correct though. There are traitors at all levels. Poorfags who only live to suck-up gibs are wasting white wealth. There are also tons of lower-class fags who are more than willing to cuck for globalism and shitskins.
You're right, I just don't necessarily agree with the way that chart is presented. It implies that the social parasites of the lower classes have the material means to inflict the same amount of national damage as the social parasites of the upper class who have the financial power to actively influence politics. One is not equal to the other in terms damage caused. Although they all need to be dealt with.
>I also believe that there is an honest section of "the rich" who constructed things of merit for the white community, and deserve their money.
I don't believe the small business owners to be as damaging to the nation as the billionaires but they still have the potential to be, because as they accumulate more wealth they move higher into the economic stratum which in turn gives them more political influence essentially allowing them to become power brokers.
>Globalist bankers and companies that openly promote anti-white agendas (such as Jewgle) should be our main targets, not some based nationalist who owns an America-first construction company.
Small businesses aren't my primary target, at least not at the moment but they would need to be carefully watched and regulated during a transitory period to a nationalist workers ethno-state.
>>134031535
I like Goebbels. Even though he sided with Hitler over the Strasserites, I feel he saw what was coming and was just kind of ahead of the curb so as to not get long knifed.

>>134032985
North Korea would require itself to not be such fucking nigger faggots, and for the kim's to be removed from power and publicly lynched for being traitors to the Nork people. There is a lot that can be changed to make north Korea better,

>>134032167
"Just replace the hammer and sickle with a big muslim cock raping an anus."
How to make the cock look Muslim?

>>134032777
you cannot possibly be this stupid. You cannot eliminate an economic class.
If everyone has at least x capital and x amount of land then x capital is worthless and so is the land and anyone with more than X amount is still in a higher class. All you have done is kicked out the bottom rung of the latter, meaning the next one up is the new bottom rung.

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>>134029822
>kill the best and brightest goyim because the kikes and a few gentile traitors have subverted our system

I hate you White-North Korea LARPers, I really fucking do. National Bolshevism is literally North Korea/ Stalinist-Russia dysgenics retardation. You don't care about your people at all, you are just greedy commie fucks who don't overtly deny the abundance of Jews at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBBmMN0JvY

>>134033567
He's a globalist kike country. Nothing more to say. When resources run low or another war breaks out he'll just get stomped by a bigger power since their a fucking tiny country only good for rich jews to hide their money in. He's also a Chink so that removes any sense kindness or empathy.

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>>134029822
People are equal only before God and the law. In every other respect, humans are very much unequal, and should be treated as such.

>>134033567
>if everyone has x capital then it becomes worthless
lol no

>>134029822
>How do we convince people to join our ideology guys?
>I've got it, lets use both communist and nazi imagery in our flag so that we repel everyone!

>>134032298
>They are they get paid. Anything else is taking away someone else's labor
That's not how it works. Getting paid a meager wage is not the same as someone enjoying the fruits of their own labor. People sell their labor to the upper classes because they have nothing else to sell and in turn the upper classes steal the profits generated from that labor and pocket it themselves. This is why it's considered exploitative.
>Wrong those who are smarter and put more effort into running a business deserve more wealth then you the neet faggot does. You would kill all innovation
If capitalistic hierarchies were natural capitalism would have been around since the beginning of time. It's only a relatively recent phenomenon and product of the enlightenment when the bourgeois/merchant class overthrew the aristocracy and became the ruling class themselves and prior to feudalism and city states economic classes did not really exist, only the social/biological classes existed.
>The rich are smart they get the best education and have experience running them, the poor should have no say in how a business runs
Many rich people only got average grades in college and primary school. The smartest are not necessarily the richest.
>Something which never works
Meme answer. It worked well in Yugoslavia. That's why they had a very high standard of living.
>Yeah and it's not rich vs poor it's non whites vs whites
It's both. The ultra rich bring in the non-whites.
>Muh betrayal, get purged faggots
Not an argument.
>Lmao I'm a goddam nazi your the one pushing for a guy who wanted to ally the Soviets. Now fuck off traitors
A real "Nazi" wouldn't call himself such. He'd call himself a proper national socialist. Maybe you should attend some degenerate MSM meetings and leave the debate up to the adults.

>>134029822
Class fundamentally is not an issue. This is entirely a Jewish creation, and there is not a single grain of truth in this notion.
What ethnically homogeneous people have social turmoil brought on by an underclass fighting against an upper class. There are no examples of this. We only have examples of certain ethnic interests in the world of finance working against the host population.

It is not rich vs poor. It is not "elite" vs the common man. It is the outsiders vs your people.

>>134034057
>lol no
wanna know how I know your a inbred chink who just got BTFO?

>>134034107
>upper classes steal the profits generated from that labor
Because they took the risk to establish the business. Their reward is getting a bigger piece of the pie because they earned it.

>>134034395
>Because they took the risk to establish the business. Their reward is getting a bigger piece of the pie because they earned it.
This is a fair argument, however it doesn't make their actions any less criminal. It takes a lot of risk to rob a bank but bank robbers have to pay the consequences for engaging in unethical and immoral behavior.

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>>134029822
Class is enforced via public "school" and government run programs. Commie governments only strengthened that power over the commoner's life.

>>134034389
you retard.
if i have 10 acres of land and a massive 3 storey house on it and so do you how does that make my or your land and house worthless

>>134034515
Who has the businessman stolen from then? The people? He's providing the people who don't want to take that risk with a low risk way of making money.

>>134034515
The problem with your argument is that you're assuming what they are doing is criminal when it isn't. starting up a business and then deciding you should get more because you took the risk to establish it is not the same as two poor fags robbing a bank

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>>134034515
Why not just let the working class join coops and communes on their own? Why force them to use your system?

>>134034107
Capitalism as an action has been around since man first coveted tools and shiny rocks. Capitalism at its core is people exchanging their resources of their own volition.

>>134034515
An employer is not stealing anything. You can't just say something is criminal because you dislike it, words have meanings you mentally damaged leftist. People are not compelled to sell their labor to a certain company. They are not compelled to sell it at a given rate, it is only the state which enforces laws restricting commerce.

An assembly line worker is not entitled to a finished product they worked on. Asserting otherwise would mean that you yourself are condoning theft. If your worldview doesn't respect property rights at the most basic level then everything you believe is bound to be morally skewed and corrupt.

>>134034655
so does every other fucking jackoff. What is that house worth when nobody will buy it because they already have one of equal or greater value? Value is not static. It derives from how much someone is willing to trade you for it which is based on how rare what you have is and how high the demand for it is. Your house has 0 rarity and 0 demand. your house is worth 0.

>>134034681
He's stealing the product of their labor through exploitation. The actual product is built by the lineman. That product is then sold by the capitalist who had no hand in making it aside from the fact that he happened to own the machinery. He's essentially giving back a portion of what has been stolen. (i.e. profits generated by the workers themselves).
>>134034759
See above.
>>134034812
Because the upper classes are the ones destroying the nation by lobbying for destructive social policies. That's why they have to be removed.
>>134034871
>Capitalism as an action has been around since man first coveted tools and shiny rocks. Capitalism at its core is people exchanging their resources of their own volition.
You're literally referring to a barter economy which has nothing to do with capitalism and has been around even before city states were first established. Capitalism at it's very earliest goes back to the middle ages and arguably only really began after the enlightenment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism
>An assembly line worker is not entitled to a finished product they worked on. Asserting otherwise would mean that you yourself are condoning theft. If your worldview doesn't respect property rights at the most basic level then everything you believe is bound to be morally skewed and corrupt.
Property "rights" are a corrupt invention of the enlightenment. There's no such thing as rights, only privileges granted to us by those who have the most firepower and ability to dominate. If you want "rights" you have to take them by force.

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>>134035574
>Because the upper classes are the ones destroying the nation by lobbying for destructive social policies. That's why they have to be removed.
Despite populism being the main reason that nation destruction is going on?

>>134035574
He's not stealing the product when he came up with a way to mass produce it you fucking retard.

>>134029822
Radical fascism in the name of establishing first world countries into empires is the only thing worth doing. Prove me wrong commies, /r/Anarchy btfo

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>>134035791
>Despite populism being the main reason that nation destruction is going on?
1. Define populism
2. Citation needed
>>134035815
>He's not stealing the product when he came up with a way to mass produce it you fucking retard.
If he's working he's entitled to a portion of the profits but he's not entitled to all of them or even most of them.
>>134035936
I'd consider myself a fascist to a degree, or at the very least heavily inspired by certain strains of fascism. National Bolshevism is a subset of the third position.

>>134029822
>remove the upper class

>>134035574
>He's stealing the product of their labor through exploitation. The actual product is built by the lineman. That product is then sold by the capitalist who had no hand in making it aside from the fact that he happened to own the machinery. He's essentially giving back a portion of what has been stolen. (i.e. profits generated by the workers themselves).
if I break into your house, open your fridge, take your bread, cheese, and butter and use your stove to make a grilled cheese sandwich is it my sandwich? My labor went into it, not yours. Of course it's not my sandwich.

If you hire me to make the sandwich out of your stuff, and instead I say "since I made this I'm going to eat it" or "i'm going to sell this sandwich instead of serving it to you as per our agreement" then I have STOLEN from you.

>>134035255
>implying you cant use the house only sell it
youre not jewish by any chance?

>>134036189
>but he's not entitled to all of them or even most of them.
Its his idea so he can deicide how much he gets. You keep missing the point that it's HIS product.

>>134035574
>this level of retardation
In order for someone to barter, they have to have something to barter with. They have to have something, some piece of property. You're not making an argument at all, you dumb little kid.
Two people trading, bartering, outside of a system of government which restricts their activity they are engaging in capitalism. That is capitalism. The theory of capitalism is directly evolved from this basic human activity.

>Property "rights" are a corrupt invention of the enlightenment.
You're espousing illogical shit tier Commie propaganda here.

Rights are recognized by a civilization, they are both law, and culture. The concept of property rights is intrinsic, and you would have to violate the NAP to take them away from someone.
You don't even understand the difference between a positive and a negative right.

You're a full fledged shitlib faggot Commie. I bet you're an Antifa poster trying to spread your shit dick ideas here.

>>134036189
>2. Citation needed
Tell you what, you give me a successful society that has embraced equality and I'll admit being wrong.

>>134036466
It doesn't matter if you want to use it or sell it. The house is worthless, it adds 0 to your net value if your lucky, more likely ends up being a net negative since you have to sink money into taking care of a massive house. You can live in it but you are still the lower class, and you STILL have to work some shitty low-paying job because someone has to.

You now have a big house and lots of land with nothing on the land and no furniture in the house because you are still poor.

>>134036442
>if I break into your house, open your fridge, take your bread, cheese, and butter and use your stove to make a grilled cheese sandwich is it my sandwich? My labor went into it, not yours. Of course it's not my sandwich.
No but if I told you to use my stove to make yourself a sandwich it would be your sandwich. Not to mention, I highly doubt there's ever been a single case of someone breaking into their place of work so that they can work without getting paid. So this is a strawman argument that doesn't apply to what we're talking about.
>If you hire me to make the sandwich out of your stuff, and instead I say "since I made this I'm going to eat it" or "i'm going to sell this sandwich instead of serving it to you as per our agreement" then I have STOLEN from you.
If you ate the sandwich you'd just get fired and lose your lively hood. It's theft because you're making all of the sandwiches, which I'm selling and only giving you a portion of the money back that was generated by the sweat of your brow. You're not making sandwiches for my by choice, you're making sandwiches because you need to make sandwiches to survive and feed your family. You're essentially nothing more than a glorified slave.

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>>134037578
>No but if I told you to use my stove to make yourself a sandwich it would be your sandwich.
But you'd have to make the stove yourself, otherwise it wouldn't be your stove, and the tools you used to make the stove would also have had to be made by you, otherwise they aren't your tools, and you're never allowed to trade these tools or that stove for other goods even if you don't need them anymore since you would be making a profit off of them and that's wrong.

>>134037242
>you cant use land productively to make profit
wow you really are dumb

>>134037578
>No but if I told you to use my stove to make yourself a sandwich it would be your sandwich.

These are totally unlike scenarios, you total retard. The owner of a company is not paying his employees to produce things for themselves. They are using his infrastructure, his materials, his ideas, and they are manufacturing something for him. That is the agreement they made when they started working.

>You're not making sandwiches for my by choice,
This is false. All labor is voluntary. People are not slaves, they are not forced into positions. Every single person in the free world has economic mobility. They have the potential to innovate and go into business for themselves. They have the potential to simply patent ideas, and sell those ideas to other companies without ever lifting a finger.
The lower class is not there because they are being oppressed, they stay where they are in life because they lack the potential to be elsewhere. No one with a 130 IQ is stuck scrubbing bathroom floors for their entire life.

Your commie rhetoric can't stand up to scrutiny, shit dick.

>>134036724
>In order for someone to barter, they have to have something to barter with. They have to have something, some piece of property. You're not making an argument at all, you dumb little kid.
Private property refers to the means of production, i.e. the factories used to produce goods. You're referring to personal property.
>Two people trading, bartering, outside of a system of government which restricts their activity they are engaging in capitalism.
Than I guess two cavemen trading some shiny beads is capitalism. Wew. I bet you think feudalism is the same thing as capitalism too.
>You're espousing illogical shit tier Commie propaganda here.
No I'm not nigger, the idea of property as a "right" that was divinely inspired and could not be seized by a king came out of the French revolution.
>Rights are recognized by a civilization, they are both law, and culture. The concept of property rights is intrinsic, and you would have to violate the NAP to take them away from someone.
"""""rights""""" have only been recognized since the french revolution. Also you're retarded if you claim to be a fascist but unironically believe in muh NAP. Fascism is founded on violence and direct action. You're a disgusting pacifist spouting liberal talking points.
>You don't even understand the difference between a positive and a negative right.
Positive and negative rights are illusions. With that said, negative rights refer to things like gun rights, where as positive rights refer to things like social services. You're literally using retarded social democratic principals to prop up your flimsy arguments.
>You're a full fledged shitlib faggot Commie. I bet you're an Antifa poster trying to spread your shit dick ideas here.
Antifa will go against the wall just like you will m8. Nothing disgusts me more than liberal cucks LARPing as fascists.

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>>134038219
>you're referring to personal property.
A meaningless distinction in this day and age, I have all the tools I need to earn a living in my house yet it's all "personal property" according to commies.

>>134037791
>But you'd have to make the stove yourself, otherwise it wouldn't be your stove,
You could certainly buy a stove from another cooperative or industry publicly owned by the state and there would be nothing exploitative in that act.
>and the tools you used to make the stove would also have had to be made by you, otherwise they aren't your tools, and you're never allowed to trade these tools or that stove for other goods even if you don't need them anymore since you would be making a profit off of them and that's wrong.
That's not really wrong since you're not exploiting others to make that profit assuming you bought or traded for that stove from a worker who was willing to sell it.

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>>134038494
>That's not really wrong since you're not exploiting others to make that profit assuming you bought or traded for that stove from a worker who was willing to sell it.
So if a worker was willing to sell me their time and skills, I would not be exploiting others by buying what they're willing to sell?

>>134038129
>These are totally unlike scenarios, you total retard. The owner of a company is not paying his employees to produce things for themselves. They are using his infrastructure, his materials, his ideas, and they are manufacturing something for him. That is the agreement they made when they started working.
You're the one who came up with unlike scenarios when you literally made the meme tier argument of someone breaking into my house to make a sandwich which is totally unrealistic. Not to mention, I've already explained the exploitative nature of the relationship. If you can't get it through your dense skull and into that pea sized brain of yours that's your problem, not mine.
>This is false. All labor is voluntary. People are not slaves, they are not forced into positions.
They are if it's the only means they have to feed their family. It's not much different than indentured servitude.
>Every single person in the free world has economic mobility. They have the potential to innovate and go into business for themselves.
If that was the case than everyone would be a business owner. I bet the next thing you're going to say is that niggers are just as capable as whites.
>They have the potential to simply patent ideas, and sell those ideas to other companies without ever lifting a finger.
Sure, if they have the capital to do so and if their patent is dangerous to the status quo (a water powered car for example) they need the capital to fight major automotive companies in court for years.
>The lower class is not there because they are being oppressed, they stay where they are in life because they lack the potential to be elsewhere.
And yet you literally just said everyone has the potential to be a small business owner. Pick one and only one you self contradicting faggot.
>No one with a 130 IQ is stuck scrubbing bathroom floors for their entire life.
I know a guy with a genius level IQ and a bachelors degree in engineering who is basically working shit temp jobs.

>>134038465
It becomes private property when you rent it out to someone else for personal gain.

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>>134039165
So it's rent, not the usefulness of the property that determines whether it's private or personal property. Well in that case I'll just never rent my machines and tools to my workers, I'll let them borrow them in exchange for a cut of the profit.

>>134039320
It's rent because they're essentially giving up the rightful fruits of their own labor to you and exchange you're only giving them a portion of it back. Now if you wanted to, you could certainly use your own machines to build whatever you want. You could even engage in managerial work assuming you split the profits equally with your employee.

>>134030520
>Calling people liberal when he is literally a communist.

>>134039614
>they're essentially giving up the rightful fruits of their own labor to you and exchange you're only giving them a portion of it back.
source? you do know the majority of businesses fail?

>>134037828
I never once said you couldn't. That's not what the discussion is about. It's about you not being able to destroy an economic class. Your house and land is still worthless regardless of if you use it to make money. and someone STILL has to do the low class low paying jobs. Maybe YOU graduate to the next economic class, but their is still going to be a huge amount of people who remain at the default, lower class.

>>134029822

I have far more contempt for the middle class than the upper class.

Which class was every asshole boss or supervisor you had to deal with?

Who is constantly hassling employees at shit-tier mcjobs?

Who is generally unhelpful that works for the government?

The upper classes just tend to oversee it all, but even they create stuff and make lives interesting or better materially. Occasionally they send us a Trump or Putin or Assad.

Middle Class cuck for status by consuming and then treat everyone else like shit.

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>>134039614
>they're essentially giving up the rightful fruits of their own labor to you and exchange you're only giving them a portion of it back
They're selling me their services in exchange for mine. If I can buy the goods that they create and then sell them for a higher price, why can I not let them borrow the tools to create those goods first?

>>134029822
I love having a job

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>>134039876
ok reddit

>>134039054
that was me dumbass
>newfag can't into IDs

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>>134039675
I'm a national bolshevik. Communists believe in internationalism as their end goal. i.e. a world free of borders with free movement between people's. National Bolsheviks reject this idea. Communists also reject all hierarchies both biological and material. National Bolsheviks only reject material hierarchies while freely admitting that biological hierarchies (race, sex, IQ, etc...) exist.
I'd also like to point out that liberalism =/= communism. I don't think communists would support the highlighted within the definition of liberalism on pic related. And NazBols would reject far more of these premises such as the ideas of "Civil Rights", "Democracy" and "International Cooperation" if that cooperation was not in the best interests of the nation.
I'd also like to point out that the yellow portion of the black and yellow ancap represents classical liberalism.

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>>134039876
>Occasionally they send us a Trump or Putin or Assad
You like those people?

>>134029822
>claims to hate jews
>follows the most Jewish ideology known to man

>>134039863
no. youre already locked into a economic class by relative wealth mindset by jewish indoctrination.
having capital gives you freedom and means, having land allows you to grow crops and be aelf sufficient, having liquid capital allows you be more bargaining power when choosing employers because you arent living paycheck to paycheck. you can also start a business if you want.
you are by no means low class at all, you have no economic attributes in common with landless, broke wage workers

>>134039731
>source
Check this out to get a better understanding of where I'm coming from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value
>you do know the majority of businesses fail?
What's your point?
>>134039876
>I have far more contempt for the middle class than the upper class.
You of all people should know that the "middle class" is merely a social class as opposed to an economic class. Middle managers don't own the means of production. They simply enforce the rules of the people who do.
>Which class was every asshole boss or supervisor you had to deal with?
>Who is constantly hassling employees at shit-tier mcjobs?
>Who is generally unhelpful that works for the government?
I don't deny the fact that they're assholes but they're still technically proletarians. They don't represent the root cause of the problem. They're merely symptom of the social relations between the bourgeois and the proletariat.
>>134040058
>They're selling me their services in exchange for mine. If I can buy the goods that they create and then sell them for a higher price, why can I not let them borrow the tools to create those goods first?
While I still think it's exploitative and unethical, some guy on his farm hiring a few people to do work for him aren't the biggest problem to deal with. The majority of the problems related to the bourgeois effect on the nation is with regards to the 1% of the population.

>>134037578
>No but if I told you to use my stove to make yourself a sandwich it would be your sandwich.
"if this hypothetical situation was different it would favor me"
>Not to mention, I highly doubt there's ever been a single case of someone breaking into their place of work so that they can work without getting paid.
People have absolutely broken into factories to produce things for themselves. It's called a communist revolution.
>If you ate the sandwich you'd just get fired and lose your lively hood. It's theft because you're making all of the sandwiches, which I'm selling and only giving you a portion of the money back that was generated by the sweat of your brow.
I am making sandwiches with YOUR stuff that YOU own as per a contract that involves you compensating me for my labor. It would be theft for me to eat the sandwich, not for you to eat or sell it.
>You're not making sandwiches for my by choice, you're making sandwiches because you need to make sandwiches to survive and feed your family. You're essentially nothing more than a glorified slave.
I absolutely am making these by choice and if at any moment I feel I'm being exploited I can quit and work for a better business or open my own. This is not a hard concept to grasp but commie fucks like you somehow just can't process it.

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>>134029822

>it's a laffypole switches tactics to try and subvert /pol/ again episode

I remember when you idiots had deluded yourself into thinking we'd suddenly stop being racist Nazis and embrace Marx if you called Trump a neocon back when he bombed Syria. How did that work out for you? Board's the same as it was pre-gamergate with the exception of double the shilling and the addition of laffypole cancer. You are incompetent, ugly, stupid and fat. You have no redeeming qualities.

Strasserist flag when?

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>>134040981
>The majority of the problems related to the bourgeois effect on the nation is with regards to the 1% of the population.
They can be bothersome, but as long as they don't have the ability to influence the government their negative effect is minimal.

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>>134040252
>literally 2 different IDs
>claims it was him
What are you on about faggot?

>>134040817
>you are by no means low class at all, you have no economic attributes in common with landless, broke wage workers
In your imaginary land there are no landless broke wage workers because they have all been dealt with one way or another. Your meager capital means jack shit when everyone is receiving the same amount. if everyone get 5k a month then 5k is going to become a worthless amount of money to have because every business knows you and every other jackoff has at least 5k to spend. All your doing is causing inflation.

>>134041271
>You're the one who came up with unlike scenarios when you literally made the meme tier argument of someone breaking into my house to make a sandwich which is totally unrealistic.

>>134041354
the number is meaningless, its what you can buy with it. if land and assets are cheap because its in abundance, how is that bad? its basically utopia. although youre right that a worker class no longer exists, that a good thing as well, either everyone starts labouring on their own or you get automation.

>>134029822
Hey pol pot you already tried that and failed miserable

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>>134041010

Daily reminder that laffypole users are white negroes alienated from their culture and history, they are the maggots living in the rotting corpse of Logos. They are quick to spout off about their supreme intellect granted to them by their worshipful appreciation and rote memorization of Marx's interpretation of Talmudic law, yet they don't even realize their time in academia was the equivalent of spending four years rolling in the excrement of Jewish Bolsheviks, and their ideology is simply the fecal matter that stuck to their skin and hair in the process.

>>134041001
>"if this hypothetical situation was different it would favor me"
Not sure what your point is here. If invited you into my home and offered you a sandwich on the condition that you made it yourself, it would be your sandwich.
>People have absolutely broken into factories to produce things for themselves. It's called a communist revolution.
Except I said "work without getting paid". People would get paid in one form or another under socialized industry, except it would an equal payment for all workers assuming they were all working 40 hours a week. As a matter of fact to call it a payment would be a bit of an understatement. It would be workers paying themselves based upon product sold and produced by said workers.
>I am making sandwiches with YOUR stuff that YOU own as per a contract that involves you compensating me for my labor. It would be theft for me to eat the sandwich, not for you to eat or sell it.
It's exploitation for me to eat or sell the sandwich because it's based on the premise that you're only making sandwiches for me due to the fact that you're being compelled to do so out of the fear of starvation of you or your family.
>I absolutely am making these by choice and if at any moment I feel I'm being exploited I can quit and work for a better business or open my own. This is not a hard concept to grasp but commie fucks like you somehow just can't process it.
Than why haven't you quit your job and found something that pays twice as much if it's that easy?
>>134041144
The issue is that their financial resources give them that power.
>>134041522
Fair enough. Either way, I'm short of sleep right now so I got two different posts mixed up.

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>>134041992
>The issue is that their financial resources give them that power.
But if you don't give the government the power, then their resources mean nothing.

>>134041773
Can I have a source for those quotes?

I'm going to bed now. Have fun shitposting in what's going to be a dead thread unless someone else comes in corrects some of the kiketalist retardation.

>>134041773
Source of Trotsky quote?

>>134042324
>>134042170
Aaron Simanovich, "Memoirs", Paris, 1922, Molodaya Gvardiya, Moscow, No. 6, 1991, p. 55.

>>134042188
>im gonna dip out since I'm tiered of being shown what a goddamn retard I am and getting BTFO all over the thread is getting old
sure thing, do us all a favor and don't wake up.

>>134029822
>The only way to end class conflict within the nation is to remove the upper class entirely.
Translation: I want to coerce the poor into confiscating all of the property from the middle class so it can be given it to the ruling class.

>>134042543
Thank you.

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>>134043095

You're welcome

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ewwwwww he's a nazbol

National Bolshevism is the most Jewish meme that has ever happened

subvert something of value, the least Jewish thing ever and replace it with the most cancerous most jewish thing imaginable

>>134040307
Don't you think material hierarchy is based off of biology. If your smart and skilled you end up on the higher classes of society while the stupid and lazy end up on the bottom. capitalism also has natural hierarchy in that the men are usually overrepresented in high paying skilled fields and also leadership roles . So what i can see is that your ideology is a walking contradiction. You recognize the realness of race,gender but you deny the realness of class and iq connected to it. It sounds like an ideology only edgy ex liberal teens just getting redpilled would gravitate to because it is not so scary and more friendly towards ex liberal anti capitalist folk. Capitalism has made life so much easier for all of us learn to be thankful of what we have and see the real enemy which is the banking cartels and various other corporations that use the government to implement regulations that make it hard to compete. We need to get government out of business and regulating the economy.

>>134041773
This quote, by itself, truly justifies everything Hitler did and more.

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>>134043753
>evolution doesn't exis-

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>>134042543
And yeah, that quote isn't in Memoirs and I now feel stupid for spending $8 on a digital copy for the chance to stick it to Trotsky.