Prove you're not a capitalist shill and give at least one

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>>133874652
I'll give another:
>Capitalism doesn't account for environmental or social needs, just profit

>>133874652
It exploits the various nations, it funds international bolshevism as controlled opposition, and it seeks to create a mass of people it can sell it's worthless junk too.

>>133875421
These are some good points. What do you reckon the solution is?

>>133875299
This just means you're dumb. Capitalism is the mechanism for all human interaction.

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>>133874652
I don't like the surplus of food we have to give to welfare niggers like you.

>>133874652
Fetty whoop and niki Minaj will make 100x me.

t. Chemist

>>133874652
Look even cavemen were capitalist. Before the jew people traded.

>>133875502
international socialism

>>133874652
Stop talking about capitalism like some sort of ideology. It isn't. It's just how life works unless some powerful entity makes your choices for you.

>>133875587
A lot of the food is wasted because it isn't purchased. It's inefficient.

>>133875541
>Exploitation is human nature
That's a pessimistic view anon. Try to think about what you just said. Don't you think there are at least some people out there who want to work for themselves?

>>133875587
That is completely un-capitalistic. The strong survive.

>>133875299
Some $14.99 bins from Lowes™ and would make picking up that trash a breeze

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>>133875717
>Stop talking about feudalism like some sort of ideology. It isn't. It's just how life works unless some powerful entity makes your choices for you.

>>133875709
Comrade

>>133875717
prove it

>>133874652
What's your great alternative for the profit motive?

I'll wait

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>>133875827
Hello comrade! I need some more class conscious waifus.

>>133875733
>Don't you think there are at least some people out there who want to work for themselves?
Everyone wants to work for themselves. Ie. Everyone is capitalist.

>>133875607
Exactly anon, people NEED to see this perspective. Also how people born into wealth can just game the markets and rely on passive income. They don't actually do anything for society. Also twitch streamers that are millionaires from playing video games.

>>133875733
>That's a pessimistic view anon. Try to think about what you just said. Don't you think there are at least some people out there who want to work for themselves?
That's charming, but if you engage in stupid tactics I will treat you like a stupid.

Capitalism is just letting people be free to trade with one another and engage in productive enterprise. There's space of Wal*Mart AND your faggy socialist friends to run a co-op organic vegan bistro where everyone is an "owner".

>>133874652
>Perspective is put into the jewish mindset that everything has a market value
that's as american as it is jewish

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>>133875502
Destroy the Capitalists and The Communists.

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>>133875888

OP Retard forgot that under his beloved communism everyone is a broke dick living in a government owned concrete hovel.

> Yay, now I'm free of worldly possessions but have to piss in a bucket and toss it out of my window.

Capitalism promotes and rewards selfish behavior.
A persons worth is measured in dollars and the corrupt lawyer is held in higher esteem than the person that volunteers at the pet shelter.

>>133876301
>volunteers at the pet shelter

Get a real job faggot

>>133875421
"it"
Capitalism is just an idea, sweetie. It's a system of economics. There is no I, Capitalist. There are just individuals. There is no I, Capitalism walking around trying to pushing "worthless junk" (good phrasing, as this "worthless" junk may have a "use" to someone) on people.

If you don't like Capitalism, sell a different economic system. Just don't be surprised if what you're selling is soundly rejected for being completely retarded.

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>>133875922
>tfw no communist waifu to smash capitalism with

>>133875927
>>133875990
But that isn't what capitalism is anon. Capitalism involves capitalist purchasing labor from workers. Capitalists make money from owning the means of production. They employ workers to make stuff for themselves. That's the key difference.

>>133875959

Investing in the market gives the companies they invest in money to use to improve. There's an argument that It's unfair that they can have this opportunity very few others have, but that's not really unique to capitalism. If making millions on Twitch is easy and anyone can do it, why don't you do it?

>>133876301
>A persons worth is measured in dollars
Says who? Not this capitalist. The ones saying that are the ones knocking over trash cans, amigo.

A man is not measured by his dollars. What matters is how he got it.

>>133876391
>real job faggot
Such as?

>>133876421
Capitalism has the capitalist class just like feudalism had the noble class

>>133876440
Who incurs the risk in starting a business? The worker or the owner?

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>>133876421
Free enterprise is fine,as is profit, but exploitation and usury as is the state of Capitalism, which doesn't respect national sovereignty. If a company seeks to exploit a nation it shouldn't be allowed to do business in that nation.

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commercial for things I don't want and especially don't need are thrown in my ears, face, and ass every day.

>>133874652

There is nothing wrong with capitalism, it's just the people that engage in it.

>>133876599
Not volunteering so you can bitch at someone who gets payed for their labor

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>>133876440
>But that isn't what capitalism is anon. Capitalism involves capitalist purchasing labor from workers. Capitalists make money from owning the means of production. They employ workers to make stuff for themselves. That's the key difference.

Those workers are not slaves. The agree to work, for compensation. How much and for what reasons is hashed out before any work happens. This is much more efficient that bargaining for labor by offering up bits of your own company. The minute someone leaves, you now have a hole in your economy to fill. It's just madness. You can't expect the workers to own the means of production, because without the organizer of capital there would BE no means of production.

If workers want to own the means of production, they must build or acquire it through trade themselves as the capitalist does. Then it is theirs, rightfully, and they are protected by property laws.

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>>133875827
>>133875922
>>133876440
Communist waifus are absolutely shit-tier.

>>133874652
you can only get to the top if you're a greedy backstabbing sociopath; merit can only get you so far

I don't like that the free market is co-opted you government. People complain about monopolies and pricing abuse, but it is government that enables these things.

>monstanto ruining farmers
...via courts, patents, and lobbying

>drugs and medical care are expensive
...because of patents and control over licensing in ways that create false shortages of personnel. Just look at the progression of requirements to become a nurse over the last 20 years.

I also don't like total materialism, but that's a fundamental issue of ideology and what people are raised to value, not so much with the free market.

I do think a free market is the best system though. I can't think of anything else that doesn't tie me indefinitely to the rest of society and allows me to pursue freedom and retirement. I'm thoroughly enjoying my investing and small business adventure.

>>133874652
Regulatory capture. Still, fuck commies.

>>133874652
This picture holds true for capitalism decades ago but doesn't hold up today and it's why the West is failing. The rat race has become too easy to run, things are so cheap and wealth so plentiful we've reached saturation, there is nothing more to buy, maximum pleasure has been attained to the point of your brains reward system burning out. The need to work is becoming obsolete.

>>133875827
Feudalism is just how life works worthless serf loser

>>133876440
>>133876599
>>133875922
>>133875709
hello comrades due to unforeseeable circumstances your boi pucchis are now property of the peoples

>>133877006
>...because of patents and control over licensing in ways that create false shortages of personnel. Just look at the progression of requirements to become a nurse over the last 20 years.
And on the drug side, the requirements for getting a drug thru FDA hurdles is just incredible. Years of time, hundreds of thousands of dollars in testing, and if it cures cancer but gives someone a bad case of hives they send it back to square one until it's not making people break out when they take it.

The FDA is obnoxious and has probably killed thousands, maybe millions of people with it's glacial pace of drug approval.

>>133876599
>Capitalism has the capitalist class just like feudalism had the noble class
when you said "I quit" to a noble, you died or were imprisoned
when you say "I quit" to the capitalist?

>>133874652
Capitalism doesn't promote materialism, your beef is with human nature. In pre-capitalist societies where people would barter for stuff people still wanted more than they had, it's just that they couldn't get it

>>133877265
Damn hate when that happens

>>133877147
How old are you. Seriously.

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>>133874652
A more Godly and righteous existence is the only way forward.
Also usury sucks.

>>133877455
>when you say "I quit" to the capitalist?
You're allowed to go home and we'll mail you the final check, no need to waste time coming in.

Have a nice life.

>>133874652
I have my grievances but i refuse to give shit eating commies like you an inch

Also, if there's anyone not familiar with the history of the railroads in this country it's a good read. Government enabled that aggressive monopolistic land grab too.

>So what anon you think they wouldn't have just hired thugs to take it?

That's literally what they did anyways. Except instead of maybe a handful of thugs that communities could fight off, they bear the official seal of approval and suddenly fighting back is both illegal and considered 'wrong' because of the false song of 'democracy'. In a truly free market they would have had to pay fair price for the land, would probably have had to lease it on a year by year basis even. Who knows. Anything would be better.

I like pointing this one out to coal-train-hating environmentalists who also like to argue for governmental regulation. We probably wouldn't even have rail of this proportion without uncle sam.

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>>133876847
Truth

>>133877623
wow that is clearly a form of slavery and I will use this as justification for violence

>>133874652
The effort and resources it will take to take all the
gibs me dats and parasites and put them in labor camps.

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>>133877876
kekimus maximus

>>133874652
The environment.
That's pretty much it, and you won't need a large state apparatus to solve this issue.

>Capitalism promotes excessive materialist mindset.

No other economic system promotes anything else, they're just different ways of distributing wealth. Rather than distributing wealth through voluntary transactions, they make several stretched accusations so that they can divert economics to suit their ideological agenda.

Free market economics does not promote anything past free market economics. You're free to live with whatever mindset you want. State coercion does not promote any holier than thou philosophical perspective.

Also the "what can I get out of this" mentality is and always will be an integral part of human thinking, it's an evolutionary advantage. There's nothing wrong with looking out for you and yours.

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>>133874652
Real capitalism has never been tried before.

>>133874652

Its a means for dumb socialists to make and market their message and money.

>>133877664
The acquisition if that property was a necessary sacrifice to push american industry to the next level and truly unify the two coasts. I don't like government seizure of private property but in this case it was for the best.

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>>133877664
Excellent article from the Atlantic, dated 1881. A prescient and fascinating read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1881/03/the-story-of-a-great-monopoly/306019/

>>133877426
Agreed.

You can also find fault in mechanisms like USDA organic certification. It's expensive, slightly deceptive, and in some cases meaningless. The same standard is achieved through the 'certified naturally grown' label at a fraction of the cost. Small scale farmers get it and participate as a marketing tool, and consumers who know the label know what it means and trust it. So you can accomplish these things without government; instead of governmental approval, the motivation comes from achieving industry certifications from groups consumers trust. You could even wind up with competing standards vs one arbitrarily deemed acceptable by the government, in this situation.

>>133878109
Please archive those
https://archive.is/1m7Ml

>>133878031
you do realize that your entire ideology is based upon post-ironic memes

>>133874652
It hasn't killed all communists yet. Maybe they'll need to kill themselves, after all. At least they're doing a good job with that.

>>133876194
This

Multiculturalism is only in capitalist states

>>133874652
It didn't until the early 20th century when Jews got involved

Look up "The Century of Self", it's a four-part documentary

>muh one word boggy man

>>133874652
I hate how a dollar doesnt go as far as it used to

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>>133878149
>says the guy who believes in a failed 1990s bullshit ideology meant to unite the people of the post collapse USSR

The reason people don't get ahead in the capitalist system is because they are selfish and desire instant gratification. Those who excel capitalist system realize a penny saved is a penny earned. They don't need the newest iphone or some 50 inch television. Its no wonder you see ps4s and escalades in the hood.

>>133878144
I know not what you ask, but I clicked the link.

Capitalism isn't something you like it not.

It is a force of nature. Like gravity or momentum.

Even at the heart of communist Russia capitalism was 100% in control. Even marx"s most grabd socialist heaven. Capitalism would be 100% in control.

The reason for this is simple. Capitalism is a natural thing. Nobody needs to "enforce" capitalism. It arises automatically.

One needs to force and keep applying force to get socialism/communism to function whatsoever. And even when they do work it is only temporarily while the forces of the free market begin to slowly destroy this artificial economy and bring it back to equilibrium.

Capitalism isn't something you like or dislike. It just is what it is. Like gravity.

>>133878079
For the best for a bunch of industrialist barrons. Otherwise it was immoral and coercive and therefore should not be permissible. If there is that much to gain from the infrastructure, land holders would participate due to receiving a fair contract price from the rail company. How much does UP make a year when they basically get their easements for free? Communists gripe about companies getting it easy all the time but in a true free market, they'd be negotiating with US instead of lobbying a bureaucrat in cases of owned property.

>>133877995

>No other economic system promotes anything else

>What is National Socialism

>>133878269
Actually this is one of the better threads I've been in this week. Some OK discussion frankly and I have a few reading assignments

>>133878357
i just want to purge the Jews, degeneracy and dumb niggers who would chimpout on a communist system when they would have to get jobs instead of welfare.

Also an ancap society would collapse in the span of a generation when corporations would get so big and powerful under the free market that you might aswell consider them states.

>>133878142
I'm perfectly fine with letting consumer watchdogs police drugs. These things can kill you and I would much rather take the word of my fellow man than the government agency that regularly fails in it's duties.

But in my experience, the franchise of making government the parent of adults has been incredibly successful. Most people seem to think the government is indeed not only the entity best suited to vet drugs, but is the ONLY one that can be trusted. It's baffling, but that's how most people see it. These same people will colloquially joke about the inefficiencies of government in returning taxes owed (a core and proper function), or delivering the mail (a core but improper function). And yet they are fine with the government deciding on what is safe to eat, or what pills to take, or what car to drive. And on and on.

>>133878514
Helps keep traffic away from news sites

>>133876791
What this negroid said.

>>133878785
>>133878785
>i just want to purge the Jews, degeneracy and dumb niggers
>this is why i use hammer and sickle on a nazi banner
this is some Coldsteel The Hedgeheg levels of autism

>>133879178
Ah fair enough. A noble venture. Vote with every dollar (and click).

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>>133878589
Well said. I'm currently reading 'The History of Money'. Currency came about to keep track of trade over time more or less. I would do the same thing in a communist system. Especially with crytocurrency, finding a way to establish a unit of trade with my friends is easy. Money allows us to 'save' the reward for our work or product and exchange it easily to someone else.

You will never stop this. Whether I'm trading a zucchini for some eggs or a dollar for some chocolate, I'm engaging in the market, and I will never perform my profession purely for 'the good of society' on the faith that everyone else will do the same for me. Because to have that work and to prevent my market engagement as above you have to exercise force go enforce communism. And the second you exercise force you have government. And now we are back to square one.

>>133874652
> I'm not happy, it must be because capitalism is telling me I'm not happy because people have better things on my Facebook feed

>>133878665
How did their economic policy promote anything else?

>>133879492
We cant have communism with the (((capitalists))) actively trying to destroy it. Thats why we have to purge them

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>>133874652
>>133874652
>>133874652
>Implying humans hadn't be to be materialistic horters like nut snatching squrrels in order to survive and dominate the world.
>Implying there's something like true love nonbased on our revolution.

>>133875797
underrated

The only thing more efficient than Germany at destroying nations is communism.
t. communist regime survivor

>>133874652
It creates a mindless consumer base and undermines races and culture.

The biggest problem I see with capitalism is that all activity is done with the goal of end user consumption. It does not focus the enormous economic power of humanity on a higher goal. With our economic output, we could instantly start colonizing the stars or other crazy shit.

>>133879092
Yep. They have no competition for transparency or efficiency.

The doublethink is pretty baffling. The same people think more money will make schools arbitrarily better. If my community had bought in to that notion we would have paid out the ass to repave a perfectly good parking lot, build an overly flashy football field, and rebuild a satellite school that is barely used and has dwindling enrollment.

>>133879664
I think Facebook is a great social evil. Humans are not meant to be so hyper-aware of the doings of others. They have spying capacity now that would make actual spies of the past green with envy. They are also capable of broadcasting their surface thoughts with incredible ease to everyone. Ben Franklin was right when he said the cause of much ills was people speaking their minds.

I loathe Facebook, for the mutant beast is became. If it was my monster I would have killed it long ago.

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>>133879797
oh yeah i'm sure it'll totally work BECAUSE NO ONE HAVE EVER TRIED TO DO THAT BEFORE
maybe, you guys fail all the time not because of le ebil (((capitalists))), but because your ideas are shit?
how about you quit being a fucking edgelord and do something useful for the society?

>>133878589
That is almost true. The artificial, unnatural ingredient is this strange, abstract, social construct called "property"

>>133880181
Then why are you an AnCap you dumb piece of shit.

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Not this shit again.

>>133880181
Unfortunately people need to eat, and clothe their families and stuff. And capitalism is the cheapest and best method of ensuring this happens. Attempts by central authority to control resources and labor have always resulted in disaster and starvation.

For a central authority to do so effectively, it would need constant information about who has what, what everyone is doing and how best to put these two together to achieve effiency. It's a task for a supercomputer AI wired into the Internet of Things; no one human or any amount of humans could do it. the brain-to-brain interface is too slow.

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>>133880222
>Implying the human species which consists of voyeurs wouldn't do trashtalk about and observation of others if facebook wouldn't have been invented.

Facebook only shows a human's true form. It's a catalysator for many social issues. It's a symptom and not the disease called "human nature".

>>133874652
Endless consumption hoping for endless resources.

>>133879797
In a free market society you'd be able to have a commute, unmolested by taxation or regulation. The rest of us will engage in trade. Wtf is wrong with this besides you not being able to force it on everyone else? If your commute is so great people will be drawn to it to work and participate.

It's almost like your idea would have to stand on its own merits vs being the only choice in a 'workers revolution'.

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>>133880379
This.

>>133880181
There's no way to focus humanities economic output towards a higher purpose without constant coercion, which would ultimately eat itself up unless it was such a grand goal that people wouldn't mind being forced to fund it.

I agree though, in principle that would be much more worthwhile, but capitalism is not at fault. I can't think of any economic system that would achieve this. Maybe in the face of grave danger there's a way of organizing this. If aliens suddenly were a threat to our existence, It would justify such a thing.

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>>133875299
>PUBLIC property littered
>blame private ownership

>>133874652
Capitalism rewards amoral sociopathy. This is why Jews are so adept at it.

Not that a command economy is a superior solution. Capitalism makes a good servant, just a poor master.

>>133874652
I love capitalism and i'll kill for it, the feeling of having a better lifestyle and better clothes and cars than other people near me gaves me a huge boner

>>133880771
That's an uncharitable view of humanity, but it certainly does indulge the baser instincts, which is basically my point. Facebook encourages bad social behavior; ancillary moments where it has done the opposite notwithstanding.

It's also a really creepy company with an incredible roster of ethically dubious behavior.

All this before we address the (((owner))).

>>133876733
>ass
deebly goncernd

>>133874652
I'm a communist and to prove I'm not a shill I'll give one thing I don't like about communism.

>Research has a greater incentive to be done under capitalism

>>133877265
you are being fucked by the COCK of the PEOPLE
and you love it!

>>133874652
Stop read moral messages to markets. Everyone realizes that market prices, what people are willing to pay for a certain item or service, have nothing to do with human relationships. You think socialism could accuratery value the time you spend with your kids? Hitler seemed perfectly willing to slaughter all best German men in his capricious battles-of-passion

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Did you know Chinese used to force Americans in PoW camps to write a couple of things they didn't like about democracy and then write a couple of things that they liked about communism

The best paper would always get a reward like more rations or cigarettes

It was done so that anti-communism sentimentality wasn't so prevalent when the soldiers returned from the war

It's funny for me to see threads like this, using the same tactics

>>133874652
They're can never be enough consumers and it hampers (technological) evolution for the goy.
You need more consumers to buy your trash and third worlders don't have money to buy your shit. How can they get money? By being shipped into first world countries and handed gibs.
Example of goys being memed technologically: Let's say it's the days of analogue and you have both HD appliances and 4k appliances. Why would you bother to skip HD and go straight to 4k when you can sell HD appliances for a couple of years and then tell the goy to buy 4k because HD is outdated. If you skip that initial HD you're missing out on literally billions. It's unironically the Malibu Stacy episode irl. Then you can have the audacity to cry about the environment you're actively destroying for the sake of shekels.
(((Capitalism))) is just as bad as (((Communism))) with the only difference being that less people starve in (((Capitalism))). Both are pure unbridled cancer. It's impossible to support either and claim you're a nationalist.

>>133874652
>I own a computer which I use to shitpost on a Vietnamese bird collecting board
Guess I'm a capitalist

>>133874652
Have a helicopter ride courtesy of Pinochet you commie fuckwad

Capatlism puts profit above human life. As flawed as capatlism is, it is still the best system the human race has come up with. It has raised the standard of living for millions of people.

>>133882858
You act like those now-obsolete HD appliances have zero resale value. I have a lot of appliances and practically all of them are several years old; officially obsolete in the nomenclature. I have a microwave that's almost 12 years old. My washer and dryer is dated 2002 in the back.

Instead of sitting in a pile of shit leaching toxic products into the ground, as your fever dream suggests, they are being put to good use by me. They work well enough, though a new microwave would probably cook my food more evenly. And they cost very little compared to the brand-new model, which is a huge boon for people with limited resources to replace failing appliances.

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>>133878665
>>133878665
>>133878665
>>133878665
/thread

>>133879783
The idea of NS is to control capitalism when and where necessary to protect the people from the system. It is essentially a system based on good parenting: If your child is getting along and treating others fairly, you leave him alone. If he's being unreasonable with toys or play equipment or it looks like he's going to hurt himself, you grab him by the wrist, strap him into the stroller, and wheel him right the fuck past the ice cream truck. No mercy.

>>133874652
still no universal cure to rid of communist cancer faggots like you

>>133883655
Such a system is naturally prone to abuse by the police.

Do not pass Go.

Do not collect $200.

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>>133884154
All of humanity is naturally prone to abuse by the police. Show me an economic system that was never prone to corruption, or a corrupt government fixed by changing fundamental economic policy.

>>133885226
Don't ask for impossibilities. The remedy is obvious: make the government as small as possible. Reduce it's ability to meddle in the market as much as possible.

>>133883874
>le national socialist flag
>everyone who is against gapitalism is gommie sgum grrrr

are you 12

>>133874652
it has niggers in it

>>133874652
Unless certain regulations are put in places, predatory monopolies pop up and hurt small business growth and development in addition to stifling creative developments.

>>133882270
Sorry comrade but you seem to be misinformed. Under economic democracy (communism), meritocracy is a greater. Why you may ask? Well with necessities like food, water, and shelter provided for you as long as healthcare and education, anybody can be anything provided they have the skills and talent. By definition, more people would be able to pursue their goals of education and technological advancement. In a capitalist society, not everyone has the money to become an innovator. In fact the basis on know contributes to technological advancement is who can play the capitalist system the best. This is why the USSR was spanking the world's ass in technological advancement. Industries involved in oil for example have an INCENTIVE to stagnant technological advancement to squeeze every penny they can out of the lucrative and low investment-per-profit oil industry.

>>133874652
>happiness
No government is going to give you that, retard.
Humble yourself and life will be much more enjoyable.

>>133885805
Most monopolies in history were government backed.

But you are welcome to provide an example of one that is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECko3KDC2w8

Its only end is consumption.

>>133874652
Capitalism often falls into a trap of egalitarianism, presuming all people to be nothing but exchangeable drones and consumers equally, no matter weather they are from the host country or from some nigger village half a pace away, they presume they can both produce, and buy Coca Cola with same behaviour.

This is not something native to capitalism, but its an often byproduct and creep that seeps into peoples thinking when they are too focused on just getting dollars.

Crisis cycles. Harm to environment.

>>133875888
If an average polac cannot create an alternatid to capitalism, it doesnt mean that there never will be one. Just noone is actively working in this dirrection.

>>133875299
There will always be garbage.

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>>133888127
>admitting crisis is inherent to capitalism and not an invasion by an outside force

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>>133876847
true

>>133874652
>keep my gold in your vaults and gimme a certificate saying i can have some back
>delete the gold, keep the certificates
>pay interest on them

>>133874652

This comic is stupid. You do realize "happiness" is not a place right? Because of the way the human brain is wired, you will never ever be happy where you are. You MUST be moving towards something. That's a real redpill for you.

>>133874652
My stocks made me 20k this year.

Refute that faggot.

>>133876847
Malnourishment doesn't really help

>>133875299
Are you being forced to buy a ton of retarded shit?

>>133875299
This triggers me as an economist. We have a variety of methods for accounting and valuing environmental and social assets.

>>133889427
Yes because of planned obsolescence. Products aren't designed to last. Take a field trip to the local trash dump or just go to the Great Pacific garbage patch in the middle of the pacific ocean where all the garbage ends up. Capitalism also requires constant growth to work. Obviously this planet is limited so capitalism is not a feasibly system.

>>133874652
Free market capitalism enabled the rise of massive cartels which then effectively ended free market capitalism by capturing and abusing the state. This flaw doesnt seem like something you can actually prevent, so long as the state exists it can be used by the most powerful capitalists to create regulated markets that work as weapons against competitors. Of course ancaps would say this just means we need to abolish the state, but its easier said than done

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>>133889256
>Passive income

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>>133875922

The only other workable system, being a hunter gatherer, seems pretty fucking dope

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>>133890378
I'm inclined to agree with you comrade, after all it is how humans evolved

someone name one single country where communism was tried and lasted more than one generation in which it didn't have to exploit another state or, its own people wrongly to survive.

>>133890875
Cuba. You've also been embargoing them for more than half a century.

Do I need to fill this criteria to be happy? Who says I can't try to be happy right now, while I have a day job? What's stopping me from thinking cool thoughts and buying/watching/listening to/working on cool shit right now?

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that you don't have to have zero priorities in life to be happy. It sounds cheesy as fuck, but I remind myself of that every once in a while so I don't think of fucking killing myself. Humanity sure as shit isn't reaching its endgame any time soon, but there's a lot of cool shit to do in the meantime.

Why will communism/socialism make me happier, given my current mindset? What's better: being an employee for a company or for the government? At least a company won't tax the shit out of me and threaten to throw me in jail if I don't follow its orders.

>>133874652
I don't like that women choose who to fuck based off of how much money and stuff they have but that's reality. Until we fix this, capitalism will never die.

>>133891057
He said that DIDN'T need to exploit it's own people to survive

>>133891057
>in which it didn't have to exploit another state or, its own people wrongly
>Fidel Castro
wew lad

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>>133890875
USSR

In a recent debate of capitalism vs socialism all the capitalist side including Sargon conceded that socialism does work.

>>133891321
I know. Cuba doesn't.

>>133891351
Less children die at childbirth in Cuba than USA. What are you wewing about?

>>133874652
Throw your computer out and never use the internet again fag.
You don't deserve the fruits of capitalism.

>>133874652
>capitalism is a jewish invention
nuff said

>>133891286
>until we fix consequences of capitalism, capitalism will never die
You got that backwards.

>>133890875
USSR, Yugoslavia, Cuba.

>>133891190
>Why will communism/socialism make me happier, given my current mindset?
Less working hours from higher efficiency to allow yourself to enjoy yourself, your limited time on earth, and friends and family

>>133891286
Would communism make gold diggers extinct?

>>133891607
>Would communism make gold diggers extinct?
No, but they would have to fuck off to a capitalist country to dig for gold.

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>>133891538
>Complaining about socialism using the fruits socialism has given him
Not my comrade

>>133874652
>Capitalism promotes excessive materialist mindset.
To promote is to encourage, an economic system cannot encourage anything. Capitalism is only possible if people in society first commit to the notion of private property and to voluntary trade, and that's it.

Only PEOPLE can promote excessive materialist mindset, and they can do that with or without capitalism.

>Capitalism doesn't account for environmental or social needs, just profit
Again this has nothing to do with economic theory, but rather individual behaviour. Some people do in fact care about environmental issues, and having the ability to earn money gives them the resources they need to buy up the things they care about, lakes or streams or woods or whatever, and protect them.

>>133875717
Also this. Capitalism is basically just how people trade with one another in the absence of force/violence.

>>133891981
>britbong doesn't know his own history and how violent Enclosure of Commons was
Nice education.

>>133891737
You could replace socialism with capitalism in your picture and the results would be literally the same (but without queues)

>>133874652
capitalism encourages waste

>>133891981
Again you are confusing capitalism with basic trade. In communism people can trade, although there is little point because society provides for you anyway. Basic trade has existed since hunter gather times. As part of a tribe, you were expected to share the hunt with your tribal members. If you found a cool shiny rock you could also barter for something else. Capitalism is not basic trade.

>>133874652
there is no soul to a job in capitalism
but desu thats true for communism as well

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Proud capitalist

>>133874652
You HAVE to play the game or you fall behind.

>>133892418
At least you get to go to space n shiet

>>133892268
you are waste

>>133892268
>>133892477
Good points anons
>>133892418
True but at least you aren't dehumanized like a dog earning a treat. You work for the good of society. Automation will replace most mundane jobs and will work with workers instead of against workers.

>>133880445
Social construct?

Do you think the first cavemen who hunted deer and risked their lives in the wilderness, brought that deer back only to let someone else take it from them?

Private property is the name we give to something that every human intrinsically understands. That which is earned by our own labour is ours to keep. Anyone in the millions of years of our evolution who didn't fight tooth and nail to keep what they caught, ultimately went extinct to those who did, it's just as deeply rooted in humans as the need to eat, drink and fuck. Taking something that belongs to another is grounds for fighting to the death, that's how deep it goes.

>>133891478
>being this fucking inept at how fidel tended to his people
I said one that didn't wrong the people
>Castro silenced loads of the press,
>had such a state grip on the economy it went into poverty badly
>many people fled to america
>1991 castros economy fell, because ussr wasn't feeding them "welfare"
I could go on all day

>>133891393
genocide of 30 mil people under ussr
I said one that didn't wrong the people

>>133891607
>Less working hours from higher efficiency

Communism has never achieved that. Efficiency is always less in commie countries, and this ends up reflected in their universally lower standard of living.

>>133874652

>it tries to put a false value on everything it possibly can, forcing all of society into a soulless existence controlled by the accumulation of currency

>excessive materialism as you said
>is incompatible with democracy because a slow, inefficient government cannot possibly curtail its evils
>puts profit above quality, which has long term negative effects

It allows various unique forms of entertainment, but also accelerates degeneracy by allowing people to be degenerate for a living.

>>133874652
>Capitalism has broken up communities and done away with any city or state pride, as any inhabitants of these cities and states are venturing all around the country for jobs in their field.

>>133891607
>Less working hours from higher efficiency
Higher efficiency doesn't mean less working hours, it means more output. That's why we're striving to be as efficient as possible. More output fills demand quicker, which is good when the item being produced is in high demand or needed by the great majority of people.

Either way, what matters is compensation, because that allows me to enjoy myself and everything of value properly. If I realize I'm not being paid fairly for my work, or I can't live my life properly with what I'm being paid, I can complain about it or work somewhere else thanks to capitalism. If the communist government doesn't pay me enough and I try to complain to them, they'll tell me "tough shit" and probably punish me. It sounds greedy as fuck, but it'll be what makes the world go round for a long, long time.

>>133892817
Private property=/= personal property

Also hunters worked together. How is one man going to chase down a deer and kill it. Early humans worked collectively to try to encircle the target. The target(s) would then be shared because everyone contributed to killing the deer. Teamwork was the name of the game because if someone was left out you would have a weaker tribe overall.

>>133892939
>Kulaks hoarding grain is the systems responsibility

>>133893044
Simple theory proves it would. Read some Marx

>>133892298
>In communism people can trade, although there is little point because society provides for you anyway
>there is little point to the most basic economic activity (productive trade) because we're just going to magic everything we need into existence anyway

There is just always some new reason to hear why communism is utterly retarded.

>>133875733
>thinks capitalism = exploitation
Braindead marxist shill detected

>>133893303

>theory proves it would
>always fails in practice

Good job, gommies.

>>133893340
Marx went over this. Trade by itself does not create value. The only way to create value is through labor. Of course the product of labor has to be beneficial. Trade however can siphon wealth from others. If one side gets a better deal than the other. Trade is basically just a readjustment and reallocation of goods. Trade happens in communism, workers giving their products to be distributed and getting necessities back, it's a means to an end unlike in capitalism where it is something to be taken advantage of.

Capitalism is utterly banal.

>>133893303
>kulaks trying to get food so they can survive
>stalin uses the system to take it from the kulaks
>kulaks starve
>not the systems responsibility tho

>but it wasn't gommunisms fualt right guys
>it wasnt real gommunism

>>133885435
you cant make government smaller unless the government owns less people

>>133892827
>press controlled by the rich, just like everywhere
>Cuba was already impoverished
>those that fled were the business owners
Batistaists deserved worse.

>>133893776

Of course, if we click our heels together and wish really hard physical reality will stop being a thing and everything will be exactly where it needs to be!

Labor theory of value is self-evidently retarded. If reallocation of goods didn't have value, communism in itself wouldn't exist.

>>133893125
also forgot
>unrestricted capitalism is anti-capitalist because it inevitably leads to a common market

>>133882846
Underrated

>Prove you're not a capitalist shill and give at least one thing you don't like about capitalism
Yawn to easy OP, the most uncomfortable thing about it. For you, and everyone else. Is that your responsible for your own life in it.

You make bad decisions, you have to deal with them.
Your too stupid to learn rampant materialism is pointless at a young age? Your fault.
You don't HAVE to go around making stupid amounts of money and buying stupid things. You just do it if your too stupid to think past it.
But under capitalism you have the OPTION to do these things if you want to.
Lol people complaining about the system like they are forced to do these things.

>>133874652
There's literally nothing wrong with capitalism, you can move to countryside, work at walmart for $10 an hour and then live like a king. You don't have to participate in the rat race.

>>133894141
>those that fled were only business owners
most of them were people that were fucking starving because of shitty state the country was in due to the commies.
>press controlled by the rich
the press wasn't though, it was controlled by the state, thereby wronging its people by brainwashing them, like in most commie states.
>cuba was already shitty
cuba was shitty because of the communist revolution going around slaughtering all those that didn't agree, and then they stole the control of the state, forcing it under their shitty ideology, making it even more filthy and fucking degenerate.

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>>133894765
How's Illinois?

>>133894765
True. I love my new foreign illiterate neighbors!

>>133895311

Going bankrupt like most commie gibs polities do eventually.

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>>133895255
>falling for fake news this hard
Nice Bay of Pigs invasion, faggot.

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>>133895415
>Oops did I destabilize and radicalize the entire region with my wars for money forcing middle easterners to flee from Europe, my bad!

>>133895775
*to Europe

Wageslaving is tiresome

>>133892298
No I said it was a combination of voluntary trade, and private ownership. Expectation that you share is not the same thing as having your things stolen.

If a tribe member tries to come and take your food you spent hours hunting for, they'd get a sharp stick through their heart, because even then people had the notion of private ownership and protecting what is theirs.

You're confusing something like charity, which is voluntary. With taxation, which may or may not be voluntary.

Capitalism is basic trade, but that's not all it is.

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>>133895506
>didnt refute any of those arguments
>stole fake news meme, because the left cant come up with anything on their own
top fucking kek

>>133896054
Nope

>>133874652
Capitalists who say "but capitalism made your phone!" Capitalism did not make the phone, labour made the phone, capitalism exploited the labour and sold it.

>>133893303
Explain the difference between private property and personal property.

The original humans literally ran down their prey, humans are built more so than any other animal we know of, for stamina. We can chase down horses and all manner of large/fast animals given enough distance.

Once we developed tools like spears and bow/arrows, hunting was done with those.

The only time humans needed to hunt in packs was when taking down something very large, like the size of buffalo upwards.

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>>133895775
>the governments doings are 100% the result of capitalism

>>133896226
1. Spewing bullshit isn't an argument. 2. We already knew that news was fake long before you even thought about it. 3. We also already knew about subversion by the alphabet soup and deep state, something you only recently starting to realize.

>>133876695
Well put, it's less about the fact that things are bought and sold and owned, it's that companies intentionally exploit whatever they can - poor people of their own nation and abroad, the government system - to profit for a select few.

>>133896498
Capitalism is free trade, you cannot exploit people because they can only work for you if they voluntarily agree to do so.

Labour made the phone but it's not all that made the phone, it also needed complex and expensive machinery which required someone to invest in that machinery, and pay the bills, and rent the offices and buildings. If the laboru could do that on their own they would, but they cannot.

So it's a combination of the 2 that makes both the investor and the laborer money, and it makes them both enough money that it's mutually beneficial to do so. A laborer without decent tools makes less money, which is why they opt to work for someone else, because it represents the best of their options at the time.

>>133897178
While yes, I agree with the combination factor of it, the exploitation does exist in companies that take business overseas and pay subhuman wages to workers to gain profit, and that does stem from governmental issues.

>>133876599
The difference is that theres no legal barrier to joining the capitalist class

>>133896509
Personal property include personal possessions and items. Private property is essentially the means of production used to extract profit by employing workers. Also, early humans lived in tribes.

>>133896513
Massive amounts of cash are spent on media and influencing politicians to interfere in the middle east. It's all economic Imperialism. Don't tell me you actually believe the same old casus belli X has/had weapons of mass destruction. They've been planning this for decades.

>>133897178
see
>>133896498
Who makes more profit, the workers who actually make tangible products or the capitalists that extract profit for renting out the equipment. Remember, the capitalists don't even use the equipment themselves. Workers would be better off in cooperatives without the parasites at the top.

>>133897178
A while ago, there was a monkey that took a photographers phone and took selfies with it. The photographer tried to sell the photos but was denied because the court ruled that the selfies were public property.
what is your opinion on the matter?
I'm not trying to make an argument with it. I'm just curious.

>>133898138
There are bigger barriers to joining the capitalist class. At least the Kings had the nation's best interest in heart. These ruthless evil capitalists don't even care for nations, just cold hard cash (more like bytes of data representing amounts on a computer these days)