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>Women see egg freezing as “a technological concession to

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>Women see egg freezing as “a technological concession to the man deficit”, using it to “buy time” while they look for a suitable father. And the problem with this problem, is that it’s much harder to talk about.

Where have all the good men gone?
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awesome this thread again, what a lovely way to spend my saturday night
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Long time passing
Where have all the good men gone
Long time ago
Where have all the good men gone...
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i'm to lazy to look it up, but it's a waste of money to freeze eggs. most women that do, don't use the eggs later. even if they do use them, the rarely take. it's a wonderful scam.
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>>133811757
Men have been told to put pussy in a pedestal ever since they start learning the rules of society, women aren't attracted to that but still enforce it.
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>>133811757
(((Eva Wiseman)))
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>>133812489
agreed, do these dumb whores actually think that if the perfect man that they have imagined in their heads actually existed, that he would want to have children with an old woman through IVF
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?

They're married.
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>Women would rather freeze their eggs than settle down with a beta
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>>133811757
>I should be allowed to sleep around, put off kids until my 40s, and expect special treatment in every area of life
>omg why won't a seven foot lilly white billionare swoop down and marry me
This is how cat ladies are born
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>>133811757
I'm a bodybuilder, my dog is a miniature poodle and girls stop me all the time, big guy with a small dog hehe, big guy with a small dog hehe. It's easy to get their numbers and bang them.

Why on earth would a man settle with a 40 year old hag, who has frozen her eggs and say "all those air head 20 year olds that want to suck my dick and leave? Nah, forget that, I want a nightmare life with a demanding old bitch"
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>Weissmann
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I use to bang roastie old 40 plus birds on tinder. All of them were fem nazi career whores. All of them were nightmares that no sane guy would deal with beyond pump and dump.
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>>133812704
That's deep monkey friend
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>>133813247

I don't even bother with the pumping part.
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>>133811757

>Too many men in successful careers that don't have equal numbers of women working in them, women need to be encouraged to succeed!

>Men aren't succeeding enough for me and I don't want to date/marry anyone who makes less than me! Men need to succeed more! REEEEE!

It's not a 'man deficit', it's that women don't want to marry or date down the socioeconomic ladder. They hold the solution to this problem, they just don't want to exercise it. It's more emotionally comforting to blame society and men for not succeeding enough for them.
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>>133813247
I don't even look for girls past 27. When I was 23 I looked for girls 22-27 to fuck.

Now that I'm 28 I look for girls 22-27 to marry.
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>>133811757
okey so, there´s SOMETHING new in this article, or is this the same "women freezing their eggs" article we´re been seeing all this time?
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>>133811757
I'll go ahead and repeat it again since OP likes hearing this so much and so often:

>in spite of women wanting complete parity with men, they have no interest in marrying men who make less than them.
>now that more women graduate college than men, there's an even smaller pool of men they consider "marriageable."
>women's liberation tricked women into squandering their youth. Now they have regrets and are shit out of luck. Given a choice, a man of means will always go for the young trophy wife instead of the career woman who wants to "settle down."

These ladies are in this situation because of adopting a flawed ideology. They had the choice of being young, barefoot and pregnant but decided it wasn't for them. Life doesn't give you do-overs. Tough shit.
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>>133811757
Bitch thought she won. Nah. Waifubots on the way. She better make sure they stay chilled because she won't be getting around to those eggs for a loooooooong time.
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>>133811757
>women in their 30s
>beautiful
a woman who is 18 is light years better looking than a woman who is 38, don't they know this?
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>>133811757
If all these 40 year old career women want children then they can bring a nice 20 year old girl to act as a "birther" into the picture. The day of the femcuck is upon us, this is the future they chose.
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>>133814059
Can you use one woman's eggs in anothers womb?
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they don't want to have kids. and are blaming men.
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>>133814160
Do you think doctors post here?
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>>133811844
It's Sunday arvo cunt.
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>>133814297
It's more than that. It's like the girl version of the "Perfect Gentleman" manifesto. It reeks of entitlement.
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>>133814160
Science could potentially develop this as a possibility. At the moment only genetically related people can act as surrogates as far as I know. Not that it really matters though, just throw her crusty old eggs into the trash during the impregnating process while she waits outside.
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You guys realize they would just ask for an alpha's sperm, right?
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>>133812984
Plot twist: Girls are looking for a beta
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?
WW2, descendants of those who left are already taken.
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>>133814624
Wish they'd get around to it then.
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>>133814297
you can get superman sperm at a clinic, no they just don't want kids.
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>>133814642
ww2 was 70 years ago Yuri
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>>133814676
they do once you hit your 30s
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>>133814807
>I hit my thirties.
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>>133814500
What do you think is happening in this thread?
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>>133814783
but been told they are suppose have kids so the eternal stall.
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Pure unbridled Darwinism.

50% shitskin society here we come.
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well, eva, no one wants to knock up a kike
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>>133814500
The issue though is that they want the alpha to themselves, not to be an aged single mother turkey basting Chad's used sperm that fell out of Stacey's vagina and sold to the cum factory.
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>>133812766
i don't know, i have a big sister fetish so i might actually reproduce this way if she's a lot older
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>>133814804
And we will never recover.
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>>133814844
you're not missing out
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>>133811757
>the man deficit

Woman falls down stairs, men are to blame.
Woman hits herself in the face, men are to blame.
Meteor strikes Earth and wipes out all life, women are affected most.

> And the problem with this problem, is that it’s much harder to talk about.

Yeah women sure have a problem complaining that it's not their fault.
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>>133811757
A man deficit? What, are all those refugees not good enough for them?
Feminists talk a good PC game but they turn into the Waffen SS when it comes to finding a spouse.
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>>133814160
yes, your never heard of surrogtes?
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chads never settling down, and all the alphas are takin. betas inherit the earth. contain your orgasams ladies.jpg
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>>133814901
>big sister fetish
how is that even a thing. Like what are the assorted dirty words? do you want her to say "quiet bro, mom might hear"?
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>>133811757
>women don't lose value over time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>133815521
stop posting that, you'll make him cum
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Marrying down has always been the solution. A wealthy dude doesn't really care about a womans career and chances are a womans career would cause trouble for him. These career women need to start going for man childs if they want to be compatible
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>>133815219
>they turn into the Waffen SS when it comes to finding a spouse.
lol, it's true. never thought about it quite that way.
the prolem is they wanted to fuck around with chad dick in thier 20s, instead of findong a male who was a work in progress and help him succeed and bond along the way.
They just wanted dick and now want a male not a work in progress, but the problem is all the now successful males don't want them and more improtantly don't need them.
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This is the world you get if you abandon God.
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Not enough Muslim men to go around
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>>133814844
Then you must be real fucking ugly :'D
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>>133811757

Home appliances and pornography have eliminated any need that men would have for women, except the demographic need to reproduce the population somehow.
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>>133812704
i think you mean ON a pedestal
explain how you can put a pussy (a hole) inside of a solid object? you fucking beaners are retarded
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>>133817467
>pussy (a hole) inside of a solid object

He is Brazilian. The answer typically involves machetes and extrajudicial violence.
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>>133815910

>>they turn into the Waffen SS when it comes to finding a spouse.

It's just NIMVG intead of NIMBY for lefty retard girls.

Diversity is kind of a way to weed out the dumb ones. When the SWF is running around with 3 mulattoes in tow after Tyrone leaves at 22 weeks (Henceforth referred to as 22 Belly Wall) she's fucked except for the softest and cuckiest of betas which none of them really want.
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>>133817643
a machete isnt even a fucking knife, its just a sharp blunt object they are an embarrassment to this world
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>>133812769

They got married.

That is what they never accept.

If they accept that fact then they realized it is already too late for them.

And will regret their choices of riding the cock carousel for 10yrs and bailed out in desperation of finding the "man of her dreams".

They do not want to accept the responsibility.
They want to do whatever they want, but want no accountability.
So they blame it in the phrase,
"Where have all the good men gone?"
They blame men for being nerds and the video games and the anime and the comic books, but never themselves.
Because women
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>>133817858
Fineness is overrated
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>>133811757
Well, likely due to monogamy in first world cultures, women are facing competition much the same way men have throughout history. The only difference is that they are actually screwing themselves by it.
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>>133817467
>the autism in this post
holy kek.
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>good men don't marry career whores.
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>>133811757

The funny part is that by the time they actually meet a dude that resembles their dream man, he will be in a position to command tight, young poon on a whim and almost certainly have no interest in IVF with some dried up old hag feminist.

These women are delusional and detached from reality. It's a shame. They might actually have a chance at a normal life and some happiness if they could just stop being such fucking unbearable narcissists.
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>>133811757
I really don't know why women have such a hard time understanding that their dating and marriage value goes down with time, not up.

If you already can't find a man you consider worthy to impregnate you in your late twenties and early thirties, you sure as fuck won't when you turned 40.
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>>133811757
This doesn't exist here, in the rural south. This is an (((cosmopolitan))), (((liberal))) issue. Fuck'em. Rule of thumb here in America;
>guns
>hunting
>church
>nature
>outdoorsman
>non-big cities
^equals = marriageable young gals^
It is not unusual to see couples in their early twenties with two kids in my town.
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>>133814419
this
>>133811844
get on our level burger, we have to be in the same time phase to do greatest ally stuff together
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>>133820375
Their mothers definitely forgot to teach them some lessons.
For example, that men and women value different things in their partner. Every single one of these dried up career cunts is projecting her own preferences onto men. They all think that a good education, career, more wealth and so on will make them more desirable.
Which is bullshit, that is what women want, not what men want.

For a women to be desirable is much easier, it requires minimal effort - be young and friendly. If you also take care of your body, you are already in the top 10%.

Instead they throw away their youth to get a useless career that will never make them happy and also just shrinks their available dating pool massively, since women don't marry down.
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>>133814346
I post here and I'm a doctor.
Surrogate eggs do indeed take hold. Some rich families pay women in third world countries to have their children for them, so the wives vagina doesn't get destroyed in childbirth.
The more you know
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>>133812489
Yup.

>So the marketing is working, but what is the ‘take home baby rate’ from this (to put it crudely)?

>First, how many frozen eggs were successfully thawed, fertilized and implanted into women using IVF? In other words, how many pregnancies resulted (not ‘take home’ births)?

>Taking 2014 as an example year, as the most recent year with full figures, 948 eggs were thawed for a patient’s own use, then of these 420 were fertilised. Of these, only 155 were actually transferred to a woman. And of these only 19 pregnancies resulted.

>And the key question: how many live births were there from the original 948 thawed eggs? Just nine. That’s a success rate of 0.95 per cent!

>The figures are almost as poor for patients who use donated frozen eggs. In 2014, 852 donated eggs were thawed. 481 were fertilised. The number of pregnancies was 37 but this time there were 20 births. So, 20 births from 852 thawed donated eggs

>Why we do not hear more about these stunningly poor success rates and why this is being marketed to women as a backup when it so clearly is not?

>Why are companies being allowed to falsely raise hopes in this way?

>Why are they trading on the hopes and fears of childless women?

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/philippa-taylor-egg-freezing-not-cracked/
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>>133823915
>Moreover, the Telegraph article (and all marketing) neglect to mention the physical dangers of egg extraction, an invasive process that carries a risk of ovarian hyper-stimulation syndrome.

>Extracting eggs from women is a painful, invasive and risky procedure, requiring high doses of powerful drugs. It is not a procedure to be undertaken lightly.

>Yet heavy marketing is also being directed to young women, especially students (via Facebook and social media) encouraging them to ‘donate’ their eggs (with decent ‘compensation’ provided, of course) in order to supply quality eggs for older women - not for any therapeutic benefit for themselves.

>None of these groups of women are told how risky egg extraction is to their health, and how little is known about it. Nor is there any systematic research or follow up of women on the receiving end of these drugs.
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>>133811757
>women drive off men
>men play their vidya instead
>ride Chad cock
>Chad doesn't want kids so he uses the woman up and drops her
>Men perfectly content with vidya and the prospect of upcoming sexbots
>Women in desperation mode as they realize men don't need nor want to put up with their shit


It all comes full circle, they thought they could grab us by the balls. But in the end, they are the ones that die off as we procreate with our new pure waifu sexbots
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>>133811757
they're shit at math. they need look at the gender iq curves and realize that some of them will have to marry dumber guys than themselves, like many of their grandmothers did.
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>>133823915
>>133823961
Women always fall for the marketing. It's why almost all marketing is tailored towards them rather than men.
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>>133811757
The real reason men watch porn and play video games

It's often assumed men resort to escapism because they are immature manchildren. The truth is rather different...
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>>133824165
Women are freaking out about sexbots
I predicted this literally 10 years ago that they would turn against them and sure enough you are seeing articles coming out "What affects could sex robots have on consent/Sex robots and the objectification of women" etc.
They are attempting to keep up a mask of intellectuality but you can tell these articles come from a place of pure visceral panic.
They are finished.
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The great thing is all these frozen eggs will be available to buy to implant into your new sexbot, it's win win really, we get to keep their genetics but only pay for the eggs
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>>133824751
You know what the saddest thing about that is?

It shows that they are fully aware of how shitty and insufferable they are. A robot cannot replace the social interaction with another human being. The only way a robot could replace you is if all you offer is a hole to stick your dick in and all the social interaction with you was soul draining and terrible.

The women raging against it know perfectly well that they are terrible people, but rather than do something about it they try to ban anything that could compete with them.
You don't see men protesting against fuckmachines because men know that they have qualities those machines will not be able to provide.
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>>133824751
The Day of the Iron Uterus looms ever closer
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>>133814472
Holy shit leaf education is as bad as burger
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Women go infertile for a reason, because having a child at a older age raises the chances of autism and other medical issues.
These women are only caring about their own gratification of having kids and not the kids themselves.
Fuck.
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>>133825530
>expecting women to think about anything other than themselves
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>>133825049
>You don't see men protesting against fuckmachines because men know that they have qualities those machines will not be able to provide.

Exactly, women will have to start cleaning up their act if they want the attention of men again and they are not willing to do that.

They want to act like liberated cunts with the power of the courts behind them if the relationship ever goes south and get away with it because as of now they have a monopoly on pussy so men have no choice but to put up with it.

Robots would not be comparable to a loving and caring housewife, but those types of women hardly exist anymore anyways thanks to 3rd wave feminism.

Best case scenario nowadays you get some hog with no idea how to cook or maintain a home that upon marrying them slowly but surely starts to gain weight as they watch little people of Atlanta on TLC while sitting on the couch all day, there is just no incentives for relationships with modern women, and this is coming from a 6 ft 3 /fit/ chad who fucks at least one 7/10 woman a week on average.
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(((Eva Wiseman)))
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>>133811757
>women making up bullshit to justify their whoring ways: the thread
maybe if you vile creatures weren't complete fucking whores you can find on the corner and throw money at for a quick fuck, people would treat you like human beings instead of the walking memes you all aspire to be., you will never have a family or children, no male with any self worth will ever want your skanky disease ridden ass, and you deserve this.
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>>133825603
>women will have to start cleaning up their act if they want the attention of men again and they are not willing to do that.

Shows how poorly they understand men to be honest.
In general, men have a tendency to face problems and find a way around them. If you become a problem for men, and absolutely refuse to change anything about that, men as a collective will eventually just find a way to cut you completely out of their lives.
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>>133824165
>>133824751
soon.jpg

>>133825603
Not at first anyway.
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Why dont old women just go to sperm donors
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>>133826785
You are stoopid
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>>133813853
Why would you not look for 18? Are you retarded?
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>>133811757
i read this article and it just seemed like another "men are to blame" article.
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>>133824751
stop fantasizing. robots will be forbiden, and owning one will label you as a creep by what media will indoctrinate people with. also frozen eggs will be for free, payed with tax money, and men have to give semen to the system so every woman can have a kid when they want, and one day a letter comes to your house saying that you have had a son with a strong independent woman and you have to pay for his support
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>>133811757
> (Modern Feminists)
> Complain men get paid more and occupy the upper echelons of business
> Complain there are no men are not good enough to be fathers.
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>>133817467
Won't it just slide down and get stuck?
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>>133823915
> why why why
To shut these salty old whores the hell up, that's why.

In 30 years when they realize no guy wants them they might freak out and realize the eggs are useless and they are totally boned, but in the meantime give them their placebo and let them eliminate their shitty genes and spare the children all the stupid.
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Being a "Good Man" became wrong. It's that simple. Even the wisest, smartest, most respectable and attractive men are being shunned.

Women have become too narcissistic to be happy with any man who isn't totally inferior to them morally.
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>>133814898
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>>133827851
>owning one will label you as a creep by what media will indoctrinate people with.

Wouldn't matter. Social shaming works because it makes you unattractive to women, because the most important thing for a woman in a man is his social standing.

If he already doesn't give a fuck about women to the point where he'd fuck a robot instead, the shaming will do nothing.
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>>133827329
>looking for 18 year olds
>looking for women 6-7 years older than the first time they swallowed cum from multiple black and hispanic men

of course if you go for women that are actually virgins yo go to prison for child abuse
Feminism won
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>>133823381
You forgot
>don't be fat
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>>133827851
I think there is too much money to be made from it for them to be banned.
Besides it would help quell the white-birthrate which is ultimately what the kikes want
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>>133811757
They're just being picky. Serves them right.

Alot of women are using sperm banks and remain single.
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>>133814160
>>133814472
Shit like this reminds me how scientifically illiterate this board is
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>>133811757
All the good man look for good women and not accidents that should have never been born.
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>>133815521

I'm confused, do you have any more examples?
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>>133814807
>iktfb
>hit 30
>suddenly swamped with desperate single women

it disgusts me desu. I used to be a tfw no gf fag but women have made me enjoy being single now I've realised their mass duplicitous behaviour
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>>133811757
I know this reply won't get me you's because it's unbiased and well thought
The reason is both men and women become shitty.
Women are not the modest loving souls that cooked and took care of children anymore, they're whores that takes dozens of dicks and refuses to be kind and pure.
Men are not the hardworking, manly, strong and mature anymore, they engage in videogames, anime and other escapisms that prevent them from ever growing up
This is a bilateral issue that both genders are not what they're supposed to be anymore and the result is frustration.
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>>133826005
I have more respect for literal whores then women these days. Literal whore at least cares about customer satisfaction and is more likely to use protection
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>>133811757
Well, i sure hope this ugly jewess isn't procreating.
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These fucking insufferable cuts will take the most insignificant non-issue in the entire world and turn it into a fight for womanhood's survival?

Are they really that bored? Why isn't someone giving them a good, long dickin' in the pooper.

Fuck me, feminists make me furious.
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>>133811757

>That haircut.
>That face.
>The job.

>Where have all the good men gone?

Into hiding.
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>>133811757
Women almost always date up, now that women are being pushed to the top via quotas they have nobody to date.
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>>133811757
>the man deficit
AKA the Chad deficit, there are plenty of men, just not plenty of handsome rich male models to go around.
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>>133832725
Men just do whats easier for them. As long as they don't piss men off they dont care what they do.
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>>133833105
Women don't always date up.
I'm down from many financially yet i've got droves of women interested. I'm a firm/kind patriarchal type, they're just missing good quality father material.
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>>133811757
>why can't i find a good maaann!?
>*cries into 23rd cat*
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>that face
ayy lmao
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>>133814160
Body will reject that as some bacteria cells or something, because its completely different body, completely different DNR , nucleates and so on
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Womens be like "where is my career, where is my successful men?"
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>>133811757
>Women see egg freezing as “a technological concession to the man deficit”, using it to “buy time” while they look for a suitable chad that won't dump them after the first fuck and treat them as cum rags. And the problem with this problem is the jewish media push these sluts to have higher standards until they are midlife and not even betas want them anymore so some even kill themselves.
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Women ride the cock carousel, want to settle down at 35 with a beta. Problem is the betas are redpilling themselves and are checking out of that system, marrying younger women or completely forgoing marriage.
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>>133812237
slut thots picked them, every one
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?

They are too poor to be desirable mates for women because the bitch marxism, feminism, creates financial equality to gold digging whores, which vast majority of women are.
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>>133811757
>concession to the man deficit
There is no fucking deficit they are just spoiled entitled whores, they spent their young attractive years fucking around with Chad and are now upset a 6'4" guy with a six pack and a six figure hasn't swooped on their roast beef flaps
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>>133811757
(((Wiseman)))
Every
Fucking
Time
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>>133814500
>You guys realize they would just ask for an alpha's sperm, right?

You're correct. I'm seeing this play out on FB right now with the 30+ crowd.

The kicker is while they say they'll do it, they don't. Either they run the numbers and discover a single mother sucks because a sperm donor won't be on the hook for CS, or they're posturing for a beta to jump out and save them
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>>133836109
When will they ever learn ?
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>>133813029
>Body builder
>Small dog
>"I fuck women."
Suuure you do.
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>>133811757
>continue to shit on men being men
>continue to shit on boys being boys
>continue to shit father figures
>glorify single motherhood in media
>only men in media are bumbling retards that cant even take a shit without running to their wife for permission or help
>sons grow up weak
>see their mothers shiting on men
>decide to either become chads and just fuck bitches or completely opt out of dating game
>WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE

no idea
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>>133827851
>stop fantasizing. robots will be forbiden, and owning one will label you as a creep by what media will indoctrinate people with
>Implying I'm not scum already in the eyes of society
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>>133817858
>sharp blunt
Wut
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>>133814807
I've never ever seen any evidence for this meme I think it's male self delusion.
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>>133812704
it's simply meant to weed out men who are psychologically weak, and working absolutely as intended.
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>>133838116
>>133813029
Even the fag isn't buying your bullshit, anon.
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>>133830798
Use them to boost your self confidence, get yourself a 20 year old hottie.
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>>133811757
Who cares. Those women were meant to go extinct.
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>>133811757
Paradigm example of vapidity and self-centric nature of women. Next up is polygamy so their chads can be shared.
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>>133823486
Everyone is on 4chan.
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>>133831125
after 27 years living in this world there is only one word for this post

True
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>>133814160

if they switch heads on the double dildo, I guess
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>>133831125
I'll give you a you.
Unfortunately I did grow up in the escapism of anime and vidya which meant I had no social standing and thus girls had zero interest in me. Now that i am older, have some experience with women under the belt and some idea of how the game is played, I am just desilusioned about the prospect of dating a roastie that has ridden the cock carousels during college and now thinks I may be a good beta provider to settle down. I just don't see an alternative to escapism that doesn't end up with me being a beta provider. Anime and vidya it is then. At least until the sexbots come.
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>>133842778

Don't feel bad. There's always a portion of the population that doesn't go the kids and a family thing. This is the free fucking market man, if you don't like the product being produced you need to vote with your dollars-- or dick in this case. This generation of women exists merely to serve as an example of what not to do for future generations of young girls.
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>>133831125
That's partially true, but you're forgetting the price men have to pay for our rights and privileges back in the day. The right to vote was given to us because we could've been drafted into a war at any moment. Our rights were paid in blood. A woman's ultimate (and only) challenge in life was marriage and pregnancy.

Feminism has taught nothing of female social obligation when they have the same rights as men. They still expect marriage to work like they once did in the 1960's despite the complete change in social dynamics.
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>>133843986

women should not be allowed to vote

if only...
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>>133844406
I thought majority of white women voted trump
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>>133842778
Why do you think of yourself as a beta? If you become an alpha you'll never be a beta provider
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>>133811757
You know the culture of a place is fucked up when you're telling 20-somethings that having children is the worst idea they can have, while telling 50-somethings to settle down
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>>133826500
Dammit this is not right
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>>133814160
>>133814472
these remind me of that thread where about a hundred people were flipping out when a guy's stepmother acted as a surrogate womb for the couple since the wife had working eggs but a defective womb and only a handful of people in the thread managed to grasp the fact that no, the guy did not in fact fuck his stepmother.
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This is so awesome to watch.
Don't worry youngfags. You will feel the tide start to turn around 27. Just keep acquiring resources and getting those pay raises.
feels good man.
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>>133811757
>using it to “buy time” while they look for a suitable father
So it's pointless then.
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>>133811757
That fucking Jew
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>>133814346
i have a PhD in a different field but i post here.
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Not one man in the world will fucking partner with an old hag no matter how many eggs they freeze. What will it take for these rotting roasties to figure it out?
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>>133845912
On the contrary, it is exactly right.

There's only one chance of there being a change in this bullshit: threat of total replacement.

And if there isn't a change, then we have that alternative.
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>>133811757
Lmao, who the fuck wants a woman who froze hers eggs anyway? You're simply going to be replaced with a younger one. If you're past 30 and still have not found a man, you're beyond saving and no amount of freezing your eggs will help you with that.
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>>133811757
>(((EVA WISEMAN)))
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>>133813247
Assuming you aren't larping can you go into more detail
I considered doing this recently, I've grown tired of morbidly obese teenagers which is about the best I can get now
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>>133813029
Distasteful mong
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>>133837399
>because a sperm donor won't be on the hook for CS
Lol so you think. There was a dyke couple that had a fag do this for them in the news a while back. Guess which queer parent is paying child support? It isn't one of the two dykes that split up with the kid.

God needs to scorch the earth and start over.
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>>133838399
Pretty much this in a nutshell. I dated from 14-24. I graduated with my doctorate at 25 this year (26 just a few days ago). I've had almost no desire to date anyone.

The only girl I was somewhat interested in turned out to be a typical cock riding whore. Go figure, no wonder why she's panicing about having kids and a family now because she knows her expiration date will be up soon. That's what she gets for going after chads. I'm not interested in her used up poontang.
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>>133847345
>be gay so you don't fall for hoe tricks
>fall for hoe tricks anyways
lmao
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?
It's almost like there's some (((group))) telling men that it's good to become women or practice homosexuality...
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>>133847345
He didn't do it through a clinic, that's why he had to pay. Yeah, if you ship buckets of your cum to some woman you found on Craigslist, you will get child support payments. But if someone who donates at a clinic had to pay child support, the entire business model would collapse and NOBODY would donate sperm anymore.

Think.
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>>133847345
There really should be a war. I don't want to play "le edgy darwinist xD only the strongest survive" but it really does need to happen. These people would be instantly cleansed.
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>>133844576
Thanks Ausbro you're right. I shouldn't think of myself as a beta. Unfortunately, the only modern image of marriage I expect is that of a beta cuck getting whipped by his wife and state.
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Women always want to trade up or leave when the man isn't in the courting/romance phase; when real life kicks in women become very discontent and exhibit grass is greener behaviour. Their female friends often contribute to the sabotage of relationships with gossip bullshit and constant bad advice; lets go clubbin, it'll be fun, he doesn't make "enough" money. Women have too much freedom and no sense of responsibility or long term planning.
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>>133811757
They are with all the good women
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>>133846404
This
It isn't 100% their fault though, theyre told that society should expect men to find older women attractive still. Theyre told that women 'hit their sexual prime at 30/40." If in America, they live in a prudish society where 16 is still considered to be fucking a child (this of course would skew their entire view of how old someone really is and what the acceptable healthy age range really is for a mother).

Basically, they completely lack the information and tools necessary to know that they are screwed past 25 or so. They are oblivious to how things naturally work. Theyve got no natural sense of urgency, its been jewed out of them.

The most disgusting thing is how utterly fucked in the head jews have made women.

Think about it. From age...14 or so all a woman biologically needs is a stable male that will impregnate her. Her brain naturally wants to be the semi-property of a good mate, her brain naturally thinks fucking = baby, and she wants it. Biologically she does not want to be on the front lines, she doesnt want to make the tough decision or be in charge, it just is not her job.

Everything in society is designed to turn a female away from that as hard as possible.
>Experiment when youre young!
>You dont need a man!
>Take all these birth control pills!
>Be a leader!
>Manly men are bad and toxic!

So young women avoid or lack any good male influence in their life, they are thrust into a front line position (which really fucks em up, its just like anxious dogs), they fuck around (to their subconscious this means theyve yet to find a good mate despite trying and that all the men around them must be infertile, since theyve fucked so much and arent pregnant yet. This further hurts the female psyche), and pretty much everything that they feel should inherently occur doesnt. Everything a woman should not be doing, they do.
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>>133848452
The best answer to preventing a woman's grass is greener instinct is to keep her pregnant/keep fucking her regularly. Deny at least some of her wants, basically play the role of being in charge because you are. This makes them feel safe and secure, they will become much more content. They need to feel owned, they need to feel *yours*. If youre too lenient with them they obviously wont have this, and will start thinking about that greener grass.

I doubt anyone will believe me, but Im a woman and I can literally see the effect all this has on me and what I instinctually respond to, what thoughts make me the happiest, etc.
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>>133811757
>>133811844
>>133812489
>>133812704

Men Have Changed
Women have failed to Adapt to that change
TLDR she will eventually adapt to cater to that change

> adaptation is one of humanity's strongest assets

This is the Baby Boom balancing itself out.
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>>133849180
Would refusing to allow you to go out in tight jeans / dresses, leggings and tight low cut tops be seen as a good thing to you or would you just throw a temper tantrum over it?
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>>133847809

American Civil War it is then
> this problem is mainly only prevalent in america

Alphas will be the first to die. Trust me on this, even if they're good at prepping or bothered to believe in the need for it.

> hey look its Chad
> he looks dangerous, looks like competition
> I remember that fucker, he had women all over him
> POP, pop pop pop, for no reason and out of nowhere
> chad falls over
> there's no running hospital around
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>>133811757
>freeze eggs
>years later
>decide to salvage them and get pregnant
>womb too barren for the treatment
>no different from not freezing eggs
>blame men for pushing them towards cryogenics

Where have the good men gone?
I think it's more prudent to ask:
Where have all the good women gone?
I mean, single moms, broken families, shit state education with political propaganda everywhere, etc.
So many reasons why the potentially good women have gone sour. Much more interesting than to repeat the conclusion that the good men (the 80% beta population) have never left, and have been betrayed by their peers.
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>>133811757

>So they can crack down on their careers

Lmao why do they even need careers
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>>133849389
Good thing, Id feel a little upset because "Why cant I decide what to wear?"

But in the end, Id feel wanted by you since you obviously like me enough to protect me/your claim on me
Simply reinforcing that you can tell me to do these things is good too

However this obviously wouldnt work on a lot of women, if you wanted to date a blue-haired gal for example. Theyre trained to respond very badly to anything like that.
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>>133811757

> Honey I want to unfreeze my eggs so you can fertilize them.
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>>133813904
> they have no interest in marrying men who make less than them
But why? If they want their career - fine. I bet there would be a supply of family guys who'd like to stay at home with kids or work a non-demanding job.
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>>133839208

I think 30 is the meme but that some women hit that famous "wall" around 40 i believe is kinda true (in the sense they start to think "wait a moment maybe i should start a family and have a kid?")
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>>133822262
>tfw no cute rural christian wife
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>>133828509
>don't be fat
This is desirable for both sexes.
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Please God let me see waifu bots make women obsolete.
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>>133848836
This tbqh senpaitachi
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>>133817467
He's not native English speaker, you rude!
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>>133811757
Where have all the good men gone?
Off to discover themselves and their full potential without a bitch leeching off a mans earnings. After coming to the realization that today's woman is a desperate reflection of a girl seeking attention and love from strangers because they didn't get it from their parents or some form of millennial brain damage. The mere question "Where have all the good men gone" speaks volumes, Do woman think something is wrong with men and they went off somewhere and not doing their duty and nothing is wrong with a woman. Such fucking arrogance OMFG.
MGTOW
Men - make a career and do not share your earnings. And remember pussy is cheap and attention from woman is typically purchased and rarely genuine.
Most woman want "a good man" that will provide for them financially and if you give them what they want they give you pussy because that's all they can offer.
And remember don't become a faggot because fucking broken man children is easy and becoming one is easier. Keep your manhood and seek the pussy. And never fuck a girl that's had black cock that's just fucking nasty. And that's sloppy seconds from a black person. Thinking about this shit makes me want too vomit..
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>>133850632
>> Honey I want to unfreeze my eggs so you can fertilize them.
Fucking, on point.
Woman want to turn men into their own little beta cucks. Actions like this make a woman feel like they have a sense of control over a man. And the reality its just some desperate bitch wanting a sense of control and accomplishment.
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>>133813599
Women doing this are like ranchers starving their cattle and then saying "why is there no milk?!?!?!"
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>>133846349
Come on anon you can't be serious. The baby is half machine.
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>>133853195
Better to be half-robot than full-leaf.
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>>133811757
MGTOW have a solution now as well.

I don't mind that it costs 150k. It's still cheaper than a woman.
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>>133850632

H-how r-romantic my dear

*proceed to leave the Earth*
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>>133853404
>hang on dude i gotta charge my infant with the 120V house adapter
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>>133811844
its 6am in hawaii rube
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>>133811757
These cunt literaly had a few decades to get thier shit together and become a decent wife for a man. But instead they just like the elites decided to go on a fucking power trip and fuck over any man she like because the courts were backing them up. But now most of the good men are married and the betas that our out there are now waiting for sexbots and artificial wombs because they rather fuck a hole then deal with women. The best part? The kikes would all be for sexbots because it will be easier to control the population since with artificial wombs what to prevent the goverment from making humans to serve them only? Regardless of what happens this is the future that these women chose. I feel no pity for them, only endless joy as justice is being served.
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>>133827329
prolly because the drimking age is 21
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>>133811757
yeah, I'll continue fucking teenagers, but thanks m'women :^)
> seriously, if you're ever considering having children with anyone above the age of 25, you're an absolute retard, who deserves to have literal retards for children (because old-ass roasties are not fit2breed)
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>>133839030
or in greek Oxymoron
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>>133811757
>suitable father
>meanwhile theyll fuck a black dude and raise his children alone

Who the fuck is writing this bullshit?
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>>133824751
>Women are freaking out about sexbots
They're pushing human rights on mindless bots and dolls now.
If this ever passes I'm marrying a fucking toaster and declaring we have three lovely children, a hairdryer, a fridge and a printer.
Then get the gibs flowing for having 3+ kids and a wife, all of them with disability because they can't work.
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>>133853753
>implying he won't run on solar energy
I got the idea from you, you photosynthetic leaf bastard!
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>>133853994
That's not how greentexting works. Lurk more, redditor. Better yet: return from whence you came.
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>man fathers more than 60 children

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/families-demand-dna-tests-dutch-fertility-clinic-head-accused/

>fathers 7 children

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/21/us/fertility-doctor-accused-of-fraud.html


ther are more and all in all is just another scam that contributes to white genocide
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>>133855478
Please archive those
>http://nytimes com/1991/11/21/us/fertility-doctor-accused-of-fraud.html
https://archive.is/gHA2R
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>>133852341
>Where have all the good men gone?
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guys is there scientific proof that older moms 35+
increases the chances of Down's syndrome and autism?
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>>133853404
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>>133855713
Yes. >>133823915
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>>133825603
>and this is coming from a 6 ft 3 /fit/ chad who fucks at least one 7/10 woman a week on average
You are part of the problem. People nowadays don't are about relationships or ideals, just fuck because it's good. Only difference between men and women, though, is men can do it without consequence because it is expected and you have other skill sets to fall back on to be prosperous. Women only have motherhood to their name, so being a good wife is the only defining quality that matters in them yet society has shat on the image and corrupted womens' mindsets at an early age that they suffer later once reality kicks and fucking every Char in the city was not a great idea.
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>>133851530
Females aged 30 have a 75% chance of conceiving in 1 year with regular sex. This is about the same as a 25-year-old female.

Females aged 40 have an annualised conception rate of 4%.
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>>133855276
>implying MGTOWS go outside

look I agree with you there is a problem but creating a war between men and women isn't the solution. It's exactly what the jews want.
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>>133815415
>Tfw the meek will inherit the earth

We will rule like ashfini!
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>>133853195
part man and part machine, just like the pain killer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4Nel-aHZM
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All career women deserve to die alone and miserable.
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>>133856506
sick
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>>133823381
You've just described my cousin. She's approaching 40 and wondering why her two masters degrees and now Ph.D. hasn't netted her a captain of industry. She's whines about how her friends all have gotten married despite having no accomplishments. She just can't understand that her doctorate doesn't mean shit to most men. At least she has kept herself in shape but that only gets her sex, not the relationship she claims to desire. She goes off to Italy or Spain a couple of times a year with her academia friends. Judging from her Facebook posts and conversation at family gatherings, this are little more than the single middle age woman's version of a Thai sex tour for men. At this point the best she can hope for is for my uncle and aunt to leave her a big inheritance and the house. Even with keeping in shape, she has very little to offer that men want in a long term partner.
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>>133838399
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Enjoy your freezer burnt autistic children, because shit isn't going to get any better unless society figures out how to unfuck itself.
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>>133812237
oh when will they ever learn?
oh when will manlets ever learn?
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>>133847570
>doctorate
>25
Doctorate of women's studies huh.
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?
If she has a university degree there will be no man available that is better than her so she prefers to freeze her eggs instead of being with a lesser man.
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>>133856603
and most will, surely my x is progressing nicely along that road, only a few more years and she's removed from the future human genome.
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The day of the iron womb is coming soon, stravag freebirth scum!
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>>133813029
>my dog is a miniature poodle and girls stop me all the time, big guy with a small dog hehe

This is hilariously pathetic.
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>>133846174
That's just normalfags freaking out over wincest.
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>>133811757
Why do women hate blue collar working men? Isn't this what they wanted, to be white collar business professionals toiling away in an office 40+ hours per week? To "take the man's role?"
So why don't they just womyn up and marry someone who might not be as well off?
Protips: Invest in cat food and Franzia.
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>>133823915
>success rate of 0.95 per cent!

I see we are making space marines already.
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>>133849554
Exactly. Guns shit all over the laws of nature.
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>>133856705
I'm down for being a house husband
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>>133853994
Who are you quoting?
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>>133849650
>>decide to salvage them and get pregnant

Only a fraction survive defrosting. Only a fraction of those can be used in IVF after screening. Only a fraction of those will result in a successful pregnancy, and only a fraction of those will result in a HEALTHY baby.

I read somewhere it's less than 9% success rate.

They're getting Jew'd.
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>>133824347
The truth always has so few replies.
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I have a hard time to decide whether this article is supposed to be satire or not. (As a german, I will never get brit humor sadly).
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>>133857977
Who wouldn't?
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>worthless whores are avoided by humans
>they get confused and think men are just missing when in fact they are just with the good women
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>>133827851
>and owning one will label you as a creep by what media will indoctrinate people with
so what?
media labeled people that played vidya as creeps and weirdos for about 30 years
now its cool and mainstream to be a "gamer"
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>>133858422
This is a Guardian regular, it is most certainly not satire.
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>>133858422
>Women in their 30's
>beautiful
>hilarious
>independent
uh...
>Men
>will lose interest if a girl "texts back too quickly"

Do they really believe this? How is someone this up their own ass that they believe this is indicative of reality in any way?
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>>133858500
Really? You would settle down as a "man" with a kid strapped to his chest (literally)? Look at this twit in this pic, desperately trying to look masculine with little kuato strapped to him. Nah, m8. Thats disgusting.
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>>133858775

They are the roastie equivalent to MGTOW's. Fat, ugly, uninteresting, yet they have no idea because none of their girlfriends have ever told them.
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>>133839899
Married my waifu when she was 21. It's hard, but they are possible to mold from that age. She is redpilled as fuck Jap girl.
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>>133811757
>It's always some 30 something women asking where are the good men at

We've gone nowhere we're just dating that under 25 that you use to be
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>>133858906
They're never gonna learn as long as they can get some man to pay attention to them or fuck/date/marry them.

>>133858974
>asian
Dude, this is all a part of the destruction of white culture. It's no different than white women fucking niggers
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>>133858708
Mein Gott..."Educated" women of this generation are really awful.
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>>133858144
>I read somewhere it's less than 9% success rate

Less than that >>133823915
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>>133815699
>Marrying down has always been the solution. A wealthy dude doesn't really care about a womans career and chances are a womans career would cause trouble for him. These career women need to start going for man childs if they want to be compatible

underrated post
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>>133858974
>She is redpilled as fuck Jap girl.
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>>133859374
I got a coworker who married a korean girl. She is a good character, but its not hard to see that its not going to work out. The cultural differences are too severe.
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I want to impregnate an anime girl
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>>133858974
I'm sorry about your son. But I read his manifest, and I must say, it was pretty fucking good. Should have just published that and made money instead of shooting up his school.
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>>133858422
>Men losing interest in a girl if she texts back too quickly
?¿ I think she misspelled Girl and men
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>>133811757
>man deficit
aka they refuse to settle for a guy who isn't taller than 6' and makes at least $100k and has a huge social circle to take her to parties all the time and she wonders why she can't find a "man" to meet these standards despite the fact she is an entitled cunt who is way past per prime
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>>133837387
>>133846429
>>133812729
>>133825647

You need to go back
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>Where have all the good men gone?

Feminism destroyed them.
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>>133858422
Unfortunately it is not satire (if it were, it would be written by a man, and be funny and witty). This is a feminist writing, probably for the Guardian or something.
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>>133856506
>▶'we need the jugulator to cleanse this earth of filthy sluts, zionists, and jihadis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roszP-r6cLg
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>>133813853
this meme is awesome
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>>133858422
That is utter projection... Men fucking love it when women they like text back instantly. It shows how hard she's smitten. For the same reason, women DON'T like men who text back instantly-- if he's too interested, too smitten, that means he doesn't have other options, which, in the female subconscious calculus, means he's not that high quality.
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I'm almost 30 and dating a young college undergrad. It's very easy to make him happy. Those women just need to wise up a bit and they'll be fine.
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>>133853907
I think this is the biggest problem. "fun" things are held off until you're too old to really still be adventuring like that.

Drinking age should be abolished, and kids should get that stupid shit out of their system in childhood. Delaying the age at which people do such an immature thing (partying) until 21 communicates to individuals and to society at large that 21 is just when the second childhood starts.
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>>133860501
Good analysis
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>>133860789
Also, for that to work, parents need to be involved with their children, which means the de-facto both-parents-working thing needs to be abolished as well.
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>>133859849
>where to kekfag?
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>>133844486
Second row, third column shows that they did. But non white women voted overwhelmingly for Clinton while white women only gave a slight edge to Trump. As a result, overall women voted for Clinton.
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>>133857977
>>133858500
I did the whole "house husband" thing for two years in law school, my wife came from a pretty wealthy family and she was a few years older than me so she was already out of school and established in her field. It wasn't a bad time at all, I still do all of our cooking and I lost 75lbs because I was working out every day. She used to joke that I was a trophy husband.

I don't know if a woman would be willing to do that indefinitely though.
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>>133811757
Obviously not into their vaginas or this wouldnt be a problem
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>>133814160
Gestational Surrogacy
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>>133812984
The ironic thing is that many of these women a "beta" themselves.

Beta is codeword for "ordinary."
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>>133820375
>unbearable narcissists

Look on the bright side, this kind of gene is not being passed on so future women will be more like catgirls in personality.
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>>133814866
No, thats reality and mother nature's clocking kicking in. Letting her know her window is closing for good, the brainwashing just works until a certain age but nature made that instinct strong for a reason.
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>>133861292
You know that's another interesting point. Where ARE these high achieving strong independent women? Leaving aside looks for a moment the average woman under 30 has a shit job and their only hobbies are clubbing and bar hopping, which is a roundabout way of saying binge drinking.
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>>133847570
Why, when you lie, do you make it so unbelievable? Just say you graduated with your doctorate at 34 or something, don't try to inflate yourself even more beyond the base lie.
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>>133811757
Let them have their GMO children. Most will have development problems, and major health problems. Plenty of studies have been done on this. These women are no better than the ones who have been deselected to conceive, and get injected with ten thousand sperm, because they can't except reality.
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>>133827851
Stay mad filthy roastie.
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>>133814500
>they would just ask for an alpha's sperm, right?
That reminds me of an article that complained about sperm banks being racist.

But its ok that they weed out manlets and lesser whites, though.
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>>133823915
s-so there's still a chance??
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>>133814804
Thats the point.
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> Ugly fat bitchy jewess blames white males for her sexual failures.
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>>133861069
>I don't know if a woman would be willing to do that indefinitely though
Divorced?
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>>133823915
That filename kek
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>>133812766

/thread
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?
im right here. although not for long kid
probably going to murder a bunch of people and or just carve my arms up and die.
shit isnt even worth my fucking time really
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>>133854194

A jew.
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>>133858847
looks like a good father to me that could protect his child
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>>133811757
aka how to extract wealth from dumb people.... same bullshit as the trans trend...
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>>133850754
That's not how the female brain works, they only ever marry up.
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>>133857977
sauce?
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>>133853907
I personally date 21 & up because of drinking

>>133860789
Lower the drinking age, save the world.
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>>133859374

Yeah. while the white asian combo works to some degree... it does not take the future and their own kids into consideration. It's egoistic as hell.
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>>133812766
no you dont understand the eggs are already fertilized. they want to cuck these men.
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>>133811757
Looking at the author I am willing to bet she sees herself as a ten, and therefore deserving of an Adonis male archetype. In case you have not noticed this, women are pretentious, unrealistic beings who live in a fantasyland all their own.
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Women don't seem to understand that their value declines with age. They're trying to be men and have their value go up with age, thinking that men value their career and independence.
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>>133811757
Too busy working and saving or paying alimony
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>>133855061
Top kek
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>>133842778
Don't settle for roasties, go for younger women. 18-23 years are the golden years
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>>133820375
This guy knows.

I dated a slut in her late 20s and I fell in love, I cheated in my wife for this slut and later I found out she is banging a guy friend of hers and that guy friend introduced her to many friends of his and they all end up banging her as a cumdumpsters.

The thing is, she can't help herself to get cheap sex and trash her own apartment by letting drunk guys come and fuck her silly.

I would found out by checking her garbage can and found like a dozen used condoms, I became wokeaf then instantly.

Here's the rub, despite me ready to divorce my wife, she refuse to be with me, she never said that outright but I can tell she is much more interested in guys that are not interested in her, AKA married chads with huge dicks and look like movie stars.

She told me she's freezing her egg and that was 10 years ago, she must be an old hag now and if she is married, I pity the fucker for marrying a real old used up nasty whore.

I really dodged a bullet.
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>>133813853

Speaking of JBP, he did mention that women marry across and up dominance hierarchies. And with men dropping out of higher education at astounding rates, its hard to women to find a man at least at their relative position in the male/female hierarchy.

Why would a women settle with a man whom she has more education than? She doesn't, pure and simple.
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>>133864922
You think I'm joking. In my country they put a sex doll brothel. They closed it because real whores and feminists complained it was sexist. I mean, it's degenerate as fuck but still it's better than someone's body being sold.
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>>133853478
>150k to become a father

not viable for regular people and the rich men would rather marry a homemaker
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>>133826500

I dream of this day.

When every child born will have nanobots swarming in their bloodstream and brain.

A world where even the air monitors us all.

It's glorious.
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>>133814160
First you have to shut don the atoms.
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>>133863106
No we're still together, but I was still in school when I was doing the house husband routine and I don't know if my wife would have wanted to do that forever.
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>>133858144
I wonder what her stuffing four straws in her mouth symbolizes
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>>133865860
Talk it out m8, or not. You may be living the dream.
>Can focus on raising kids
>Can learn to cook good.
>Have time for your wife.
>Can be a NEET, but a cool one.
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>>133865193
>I cheated in my wife for this slut
I hope you don't expect anyone her to have any respect for you.
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>>133811757
>Where have all the good men gone?
They jerk off to superior 2D women and are much happier that way than they could ever be with a real wamyn.
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>>133865308
>We have to get more women educated and more and better degrees for women fucking patriarchy REEEEEEEE
>Why aren't there enough men that satisfy my hypergamy REEEEEEEEEE
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>>133864959
Being in Mexico I would marry a 14-16 year old. Then you can train them much easier.
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>>133865193
>>133857977
Sauce for either?!
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