>people go to school for art >people go to school for music

>>133810476
I have a Ph.D. in English literature, AMA.

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>>133810746
why?

>>133810476
>people go to school to learn lesbian dance theory
Completely reasonable

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>>133810746
>i read alot of books for my (((doctor))) title
what, was calculus 2 just too hard for you?

>>133810476

History fulfills undergrad requirements for law school. I will say philosophy is retarded though. Every philosophy major I've ever met has been a sorry sack of shit.

>>133810818
Because I was good at literary analysis or whatever, and I thought it would be good to be a professor.

But it was a mistake, and I'm not a professor.

>>133810476
>people go to school
when will degreefags learn

>>133810942
I was good at math, but it didn't mean anything to me. I didn't (and still don't) want a career working with knowledge/materials that I don't care about.

I have a real degree.

PhD in chemistry ask me anything.

>>133810476

music is actually incredibly fucking complex and hard

music academies are more male dominated than even STEM

>>133811393
general chemistry 2 was a fucking bitch and the only class i had to retake. why are all the tests so fucking stupid? they dont even ask questions to see if you know the material, its literally memorize math formulas for the entire fucking test.

all i have left is organic chemistry, but that seem easier than all the math and formula shit.

>>133811652
>music appreciation
>your homework is to listen to music
>hard
lmao.

>>133811652
But why do you need a degree in it?

>>133811658
Organic is way easier. It's why I became a chemist. Gen chem two was utter bullshit with rates and acid base equations and the professor could not be bothered to teach it properly or hold adequate office hours.

>>133811079
why was it a mistake and why arent you a professor?

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>>133810476
>People who go to school for target practice

BA in theatre performance. Grew up being told to study what you love so is it really a surprise? Nobody wants to do Shakespeare anymore except for shitty community plays where no one cares or the few professional companies that are impossible to get roles at.

>>133811807
im a biomedical engineering major.
why do i feel so superior to all those faggot liberal art queers?
like this faggot
>>133811897

>>133810476
Went to school for music. Now play music for a living. Comfortable living too. You just have to be good or it's a waste of money.

>>133812026
Does your University force you take courses in theater or language and philosophy because if they didn't those programs would die due to cost?

>>133810476

Not sure if you noticed by art & music is used in advertising and all media, where you can make big money.

That shit doesn't happen by magic, people put work into it. Go to your grocery store and look down the aisle. Can you see the art & design surrounding you?

Probably not, because you don't seem very smart.

>>133812139
nah, transferring anyway, so all my electives are already done.
schools that make you take bullshit like gym need to fuck and kill themselves for being greedy jews.

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>>133810476
>people go to school for math
>people go to school for chemistry
>people go to school for accounting, computing, calculus, etc.
>can't learn basic logic by themselves without a level 4 nerd explaining them despite books and tutorials everywhere
>mfw

>>133811831
Some of why it was a mistake has to do with it turning out to not be a great fit for me temperamentally or intellectually--or politically. For instance, I like memes and conspiracies and bullshit and dislike identity politics and all sorts of liberal nonsense.

But also, money-wise, it was a waste of time. And that's part of why I'm not a professor. Right now I'm just self-employed at internet stuff and make much more than I would as a junior professor.

So I'd be in much better financial and, probably, psychological shape if I not done the Ph.D.

>>133812255

>>133811733

you don't even understand the incredible complexity of music to grasp how wrong you are

>>133811741

you don't, in fact classically trained musicians are less likely to "make it" than your average rapper wannabe slinging around mixtapes, if it weren't for music lessons and weddings they would all fucking starve right out of college, but most I guess manage to get a job somewhere in the industry (backup/studio band, producing, sound design, etc.)

that's why I have so much respect for real musicians, it's not like history or literature students that delude themselves into thinking they'll somehow get into academia and land a prestigious position, people who study music do it out of pure passion and expect nothing out of it nor any recognition from the world

>>133812246
As much as I loved my undergrad experience I hate that the university as a whole went
>Take x number of credit hours in this irrelevant department
>X in that irrelevant department
>Oh and three semester levels of a forgien language in sequence.

That was a fuck ton of money wasted in books and tuition which luckily was mostly covered with some scholarships.

>>133811741
You don't go to music school for the degree, you go because university music is the best way to become a professional quality musician.

>>133810476
Only reason to go to college is for STEM fields. All others are parasites on society.

>>133812378
so what did they have you do that you didnt like and what do you do now that pays more?

>>133812255
you can't self teach math, engineering, and science and be able to 'prove it' in a job interview like you can with music or art where you can literally just go "here is my portfollio" filled with your work.

>>133812378
What was your dissertation about?

>>133812533
>you go to college for the atmosphere and the experience of meeting friends and going to parties and meeting a stupid girl and being a couple with her, and goign to african basket weaving together?
>$60K in student loans? whatever, that can wait until later
:^)

>>133812668
>you can't self teach math, engineering, and science and be able to 'prove it' in a job interview like you can with music or art
completely wrong you retard.

there's always working on your own projects.

not to mention that the worst case scenario with self teaching is going to college and getting an easy 4.0 out of it, its the least jewish option.

>>133812255
Except those majors actually prepare you for industries.

>>133812741
gay sex

>>133812668
Yeah, you are completely wrong. I have an 'engineering' portfolio including plant automation programs, a submersible spectrophotometer I developed from scratch, among other things.

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>>133812798
>Except those majors actually prepare you for industries.
confirmed old faggot.

>>133812668
> you can't self teach math
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

>engineering, and science
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cLy0mVkoLio

> and be able to 'prove it' in a job interview like you can with music or art where you can literally just go "here is my portfollio" filled with your work.
Lol wagecucks

>>133812786
>okay anon what was you major?
i didn't buy into the jew propoganda, i didn't go to school
>... and what training do you have?
I taught myself everything i needed to know, trust me


that interview would go great
how the fuck do you demonstrate knowledge and skill in chemistry or biology? or engineering design

>>133812785
95% (as a lowball estimate) of professional orchestral musicians went to college for music. There's a reason for that.

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>>133810476
>go to uni
>major in something meme-tier like sociology
>make $80,000 a year starting with plenty of opportunities in academia and government
>meanwhile welders are still only making 22,000 or maybe 25,000 tops starting and max out at 32,000 doing the same fucking thing for 40 years straight

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>>133812567
People have different passions though, senpai.

If someone had forced me to be a STEM major I would have been miserable.

And you have to realize that the whole "STEMS-are-superior-intellectual-beings" thing is a meme, right? I mean, look around you, talk to different kinds of people.

So I wasted my GI bill on a shitty degree (psych) and I'm kind of thinking I might go back to get a degree in something I'm actually passionate about (fashion design). Would it be worth my time to get a double major in biology so I don't have my second degree be an arts degree?

>>133810476

my undergrad history degree costed about 200k. not a cent of debt, thanks mom and dad. stay mad, poorfags.

>>133812798
What exactly does a masters in chemistry prepare me for besides being a high school chemistry teacher?

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I dropped out of college, took a long look at what I wanted in life, what I was good at, and what higher education had to offer me.
I came to the conclusion that the path of wizardry was right for me. Basic magic theory makes calculus look piss easy. University philosophers are like little children writing in the mud with sticks.

>>133813048
> "STEMS-are-superior-intellectual-beings" thing is a meme, right?
t. assblasted brainlet.
its no meme, i constanlty look down on anyone who isn't in the STEM field, and rightly so, all their classes are so fucking easy a monkey could pass them and as a result they are all fucking stupid

>>133813016
>I taught myself everything i needed to know, trust me
>and here are the open source projects I worked on.

you forgot that line faggot.

>>133813016
You would never even make it through the resume scanner of your schooling reads 'self taught'

>>133813048
It's not the STEM is 'intellectually superior'. It's that they are MERITABLY superior. STEM knowledge/education leads to tangible consumable increases in quality of life and standard of living for everyone. Refrigeration, Medicine, even basic shit like water treatment... STEM is the ONLY things that provide an ROI to society and are the ONLY degrees that should EVER be subsidized by society. The rest produce luxury and aesthetic bs.

>>133813048
sounds like your passion is being a useless member of society

>>133813117
not as mad as your parents when they consider the ROI of having you.

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>>133813151
Yeah, the fact that the average /pol/tard declares himself as a STEM student shows the high levels of intelligence and critical thinking required for those fields.

>>133813343

lel they're not really worried about any sort of ROIs at this point, they're fucking loaded. stay assblasted.

>>133813139
Depending on the area of your expertise you would be higher than a technician or low-level operator up to anything below a research scientist. If you prove yourself really well and valuable the company usually accelerates your promotions to appropriate levels.

PhDs are creators or inventors of the company. Bachelor's are slaves or doers. Masters are in between, starting as a slave.

Depends on industry but that's my experience.

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>>133812798
>2017
>still thinking jobs will exist in the future

ISHYGDDT

>>133812668
that's what makes bein a musician so hard, it's so easy to just produce sounds and imitate what you hear on the radio that the game is totally filled with white noise. But the blame doesn't entirely lie with us, to be fair, when all non-musicians want to hear is trap bangers and EDM.

>>133813375
everyone on 4chan is above average intelligence, though. we call everyone else normies for a reason :^)

>>133813139
Oh I dunno, producing new superior materials with higher strength/weight ratios that will eventually lead to a space elevator. Or being able to engineer and create new medicines and cures for shit like cancer, or other diseases. Or even something as basic as managing a peanut butter factory reactor. People are stupid as shit and have NO FUCKING CLUE what it takes to provide the lifestyle and standard of living they enjoy everyday without even thinking.

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I taught myself how to potty. Everything has been a pizza cake after that!

>>133813153
the shit are you even saying? "open source project" buildings and lab research? are you retarded?
you know, actual scientific fields require machinery worth millions of dollars, not a paper and a pencil like the meme degrees do

>>133813410
Maybe in 30 years

>>133813148
Programming IS akin to writing magic spells..

>>133810476
I'm going to school for music education. I want to be a teacher. What's wrong with that?

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>>133810476
>people go to school

>>133813506
you realize you can learn how to use all of that by reading the manuals just like everyone else does right?

you realize that shit is online right?

you realize there are books you can read to learn this for free right?

you realize there are youtube videos to learn as well right?

you realize there are certification tests that have nothing to do with college that you can take to prove that you know this right?

you realize you're a dumb lazy nigger faggot right?

go ahead and post anything you think only college can teach you.

>>133812668
and fwiw most interviews you get as a musician (outside of gigging) you have to be able read music on sight. so yes, you do need education.

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>>133813493
2bh I still fuck up sometimes
>whip out dick to take a piss
>it hangs straight down and I piss inside of my shoes
>walk out of bathroom making SPLOOSH SPLOOSH noises

>>133813488
>managing a peanut butter factory reactor

I'm fucking laughing

That post really is the rub. You can work in really awesome industry and technologies, but most of the time, it's a dildo factory managing the cooling time of the silicone injector.

>>133813406
their sum total doesn't move you from the debt line to the credit line worthless fag.

Applying for PhDs in philosophy, AMA

>>133813577
>music
>teacher
why not just kill yourself now and save everyone 30 years?
those are both fucking terrible.
teachers are like the least respected, least paid, most cut jobs that exist.

>>133811733
This was the most ignorant thing I've read all week. Also,

>music appreciation

Said nobody

>>133810942

I'm in trig right now....looking forward to calc. I want to know derivatives!!!

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>>133810476
Economics major here. Daily reminder to you fat autistic virgin neet armchair doctorates to kill yourselves.

>>133813719
serious qt freckles

>>133813719
i-is this CP?
MUH JERB!!!!!

>>133813719
>Economics major here.
imagine being so stupid you fell for the jewconomics meme.

you're studying a solved field and you're too dumb to figure it out.

>>133813016
So, you're 18 and don't have a job

>>133813641
Fucking kek I swear. I have a broken ankle and the laugher this post produced put me in pain from the shaking

>>133813659
Sad but true. Somebodies got to make the dildo's for all the SJW lesbians.... OMG I JUST REALIZED OUR HIDDEN WEAPON

>>133813660

well fortunately i'm pretty sure i'll have lifetime earnings of over 200k lmao, don't worry about it. and if i hypothetically were to turn into a bum and make no money ever but live solely as a leech, i'd probably still have more in savings than you, simply due to the diligence of my parents. feelsgoodman.

>>133812635
Don't want to get into specifically what I do now. For reference/information, though, starting tenure track professors in the humanities make $45k-$65K a year, slightly more at very elite universities. It's not a lot of money for the years of study and asskissing that it takes to get there.

What they made me do: well, aside from asking me to care a lot about every kind of divergent cultural identity and every last intricacy and difference that attaches to these...academic work in English is actually quite tedious and boring. Being a "professional" in your field is about looking very analytically at tiny questions and then writing perfect arguments about them. And I found that that wasn't for me. I was being pushed to suck the life out of the literary works that I liked.

One can be "creative" in humanities studies as an undergrad, but as a grad student, it's actually completely the opposite.

>>133813626
sounds like you still don't understand the most basic things in the scientific and industrial communities, you can't just walk up to a company and say "trust me I've read books, now make me a laboratory research project manager"
or I guess you can if you want people to laugh at you, you have to prove that you're qualified and there's no "open source" autism projects where you can just randomly join in and develop a new 3D printer

go back and """"""study"""""" """"""""""art""""""""""""" autist

>>133813866
>you have to prove that you're qualified and there's no "open source" autism projects where you can just randomly join in and develop a new 3D printer
imagine being this retarded.

you still havent posted anything that you can ONLY learn at university.

>>133813831
Bad LARP is bad.

>>133813555
Programming things is repeatable, logical, consistent, and scientific. It doesn't really agree with me.
>radio shorts out to static/resets stations
>lightbulbs burn out
>motion detectors go batshit and fry

>>133813672
You should go outside and get off 4chan. I can tell that your world view is incredibly ignorant.

>>133812741
>>133812920
It would have been a lot better received if it was about gay sex.

It was actually about a gay poet, and I had to answer lots questions about why I wasn't talking about his gayness more.

Like if it would have been about him having gay sex, and all the different ways he was gay and the different types of gay sex he had...it would probably be published now.

>>133813851
>Being a "professional" in your field is about looking very analytically at tiny questions and then writing perfect arguments about them. And I found that that wasn't for me. I was being pushed to suck the life out of the literary works that I liked.
example?

>>133813866
You are absolutely right. If you want to be employed in a large company just get a degree. Any fucking degree, it doesn't really matter what it is.

>>133813964

STEMlord can't handle the truth. i had the good fortune of being able to study whatever i wanted as an undergrad because finances will never be an issue for me, ever. you're just gonna have to deal with it.

>>133813139
Drudge work in a Jew pharma company.

>>133814012
My dude, english departments are literally bolshevik hives. If you still want to be involved in academia, just accept that the university holds the same status as it did in the 17th and 18th centuries--a joke. Join the republic of letters and try to get published.

>>133814012
That's sad man.

>>133813928
sure you don't need a university if you have a billion dollars on your bank account and can fund building multiple laboratories and have contracts with companies in the industry
because that's what universities in science fields are, research institutes with expensive equipment that train you in an industry
I guess it must be hard to imagine for someone in some meme degree where universities are rooms in a close with one old guy talking and that's it
>>133814024
a bsc generally has the purpose of showing that "I'm not a retard I can see a project through over the years" and not much else, an msc and then a phd says "I'm an expert in this field, employ me"

>>133813866
This is actually a very interesting discussion. With the ability and cost-effectiveness of online learning, being able to create tests that do prove your knowledge base without having to pay through the nose for an accredited institution MIDDLE MAN would vastly cheapen education and open it to far more people that have the intellectual potential, if not the economic-socio potential.

>>133814171
>sure you don't need a university if you have a billion dollars on your bank account and can fund building multiple laboratories and have contracts with companies in the industry
so you havent found shit? neat

protip: all of those expensive machines have manuals that are online you faggot.

the theory behind them is also in books you can read for free, they arent going to tell you exactly how that million dollar machine works whether you're in university or not faggot.

>>133813928
Go try and learn how to operate a mass spectrometer or gas chromatograph without getting training in a lab with one. No lab is going to let you near their expensive fragile equipment without knowing you have experience and know what you're doing, or at the least what NOT to do. So many faggots like you ruin so many good machines.

>>133814012
>Like if it would have been about him having gay sex, and all the different ways he was gay and the different types of gay sex he had...it would probably be published now.

kek, pretty much

>>133813866
P&G here doesn't requires any special degrees to join.

They take a math (university levels) test and other stuff and then they do an interview and according your test they hire you and put you where you want/are more apt.

You can have a BA in theology and get hired anyways if you score. You can have a STEM degree and be rejected if you don't pass.

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A little snippet from /lit/

>>133814094
So your counter point to my argument that you as an individual aren't meritable, is to come back and say that at least you can AFFORD to be a drain on humanity. Think of what the money spent on your stupid ass could have been leveraged to do and achieve with someone with actual potential. You don't seem to understand the difference between a value and its derivative. You are a negative derivative of the value your parents invested in you. A waste, by definition.

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>>133811733
I'm gonna be legit here. Music History was one of the most difficult classes I've ever taken.

I'm not talking Music Appreciation, I'm talking full on history. It was a series of three courses over three quarters, and the first had you basically listening to Gregorian Chants for 10 weeks.

And by fucking god, did the teacher want you to know information about them. You lived and breathed that shit for three days a week. They had you writing music in neumes.

/pol/ would honestly probably love most of the curriculum. Up until the 20th century, it was basically the whitest, most Christian music ever created. During the last quarter though we got a new profession, and suddenly race and politics became the big thing. I shit you not, one of the listening examples we had near the end was Beyoncé's "Formation" song. You know the "yaasss, slay queen" tune?

Capped off a course series that also featured the Jupiter Symphony, and Beethoven's Eroica.

>>133814176
maybe if you're studying something that you can do at home like "literature" or programming, but reading books won't make you a good chemist or architect the knowledge you get from books in that fields is like 10% of what you need and 90% is work experience, which the universities grant you as an entry point into the industry
>>133814274
>being this retarded
you can read as much as you want you little faggot, if you haven't done gas chromatography a hundred times in your life then no one will let you in their labs, not to mention that books will tell you the purpose of a machine or a process but things will never ever go perfectly and an expert is shown by being able to handle the complications that come up
you can write a million books and it won't cover a year of work experience
you know this is the actual difference between doing work and doodling with a pencil

>>133814453
Shit there's a lot of people from gradschool I still wouldnt allow to touch my equipment.

>>133812378
are you aware of the OIC?

how to self employ internet stuff

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>>133814566

>>133814566
But Kant taught mathematics, and everyone who was a philosopher during the enlightenment was a scientist as well, or very well versed in science. See Descartes, Leibniz, Spinoza, etc. Only modern philosophers are really guilty of this criticism, because philosophy has become infected with leftism.

>>133813219
I don't completely disagree with you, but aesthetic concern is BS? I mean, why are you on this board right now laughing at dank memes instead of like doing problem sets? And, as culture, memes suck.

I also strongly suspect that the paths by which society benefits from different kinds of education and study aren't so straight as you imagine.

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>>133810476
>mfw meme degree with STEM job

>>133810476
How to we get rid of bullshit faculties and restore the respect and quality of universities?

or do we set up trueuniversity alternatives(alterversity) and move the mathematics based actual science out into them and away from the toxic filth contamination.

>>133814547
different companies have different processes and I'm not familiar with that one to comment about it, sounds like a job application starting from the lowest level in the company though, the point in engineering degrees is that you'll get a higher position from the get-go

>>133813667
Don't do it unless you really can't imagine yourself doing anything else in life but being a philosophy professor.

Don't do it just because you like to read and think. That's not enough.

The world is littered with bitter humanities grad students and Ph.D.s

>>133814580

>So your counter point to my argument that you as an individual aren't meritable, is to come back and say that at least you can AFFORD to be a drain on humanity.

no, my point was in response to the topic of this thread: why you would bother to go to school for a non-STEM degree. my simple response was that due to the financial circumstances of my parents, i was lucky enough to be able to study something i enjoyed and found interesting (for 200k at a good school) rather than something that would maximize my future earnings. this costed the taxpayer nothing, no loans no debt involved etc.

>Think of what the money spent on your stupid ass could have been leveraged to do and achieve with someone with actual potential

i couldn't possibly care less, 200k is a drop in the bucket in terms of what you're talking about and it's not like that 200k was entirely wasted for fuck's sake, i will be employed and effectively financially independent in the near future. pathetic little appeal to emotion. 200k is nothing, how many hundreds of millions of dollars of student loans are wasted on shit degrees every year when they could be studying something STEM. and that's taxpayer money.

>You don't seem to understand the difference between a value and its derivative. You are a negative derivative of the value your parents invested in you. A waste, by definition.

you seem to know an awful lot about my financial situation, please tell me more. what do my checkings and savings look like?

>>133813678
are you like 15 or something?

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>>133814591
>history of white people wasting their talent promoting a kike religion
>thinks /pol/ will somehow appreciate this

You're on the wrong board, nigger.

>>133814602
>but reading books won't make you a good chemist or architect the knowledge you get from books
didn't know books were the only source of information online...
I agree as a chemist or architect you need practice, just like any meritable field. You can do more on the internet than READ my friend. Why not create interactive chemistry simulations and architectual simulations that are accurate, true to the physics, and teach you via trial and error, similar to a game? It is definitely conceivable and doable and is even implemented in alot of college courses already, ESPECIALLY in physics.
There is however value in being in the lab and witnessing real reactions yourself firsthand, and other things, but why not let the universities FOCUS on the hands on training and demonstrations and let the book learning/test taking portions be handled at home online, for alot more cost-efficiency to both society and the student. The main reason people pay university is to motivate themselves, to have something on the line to force their lazy asses up and into class to actually learn the material. People who aren't lazy can learn on their own. In fact, people who feel it is the responsibilty of the teacher or the institution to make them learn, are often the WORST students.

>undergraduate was in history
>now make well north of 200k per annum, plus bonus

Y'all niggers be doin it wrong n shiet

>>133814830
we have to let the free market destroy them. Let the universities make jokes of themselves, and a new era of learning will begin. Perosnally, I think grammar schools and the oldschool teaching methods are the best bet--weigh out childrens' strengths. Pound languages into them, history, philosophy, and the hard sciences like math and physics, and see where and how the children grow, and move them into the hands of people competent in that field.

>>133810476
spoken like a true fucking retard. I feel bad for people so cut off from the arts they can't even envision the vast vocabulary and history it all entails

>>133814020
God, well, for examples of life-sucking, look at the articles in any journal that publishes academic work in English. Look at PMLA or Critical Inquiry.

>>133812146
>Look at that fuckin piccaso of a 2 you sons of bitches

>>133810746
How epic were your bong rips?

>>133814953
I'm not worried about making money. I actually just love doing philosophy. If I become a professor, it will be pure chance.

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>>133815093
>Assuming a retard would make a post with Obama's face. LMAO.

>>133814779
Aesthetics are just a form of communication. Communication may increase efficiency, or manipulate the allocation of resources, but it never in and of itself CREATES material goods or resources. Aesthetics and communications are nice, sure they increase the humanity of a society, but all of that is secondary to actual goods. There is no art where there is no water for artists to drink.

>>133815018
just make a realistic simulation of real life and you won't ever need to go outside
I mean sure, with some pretty expensive VR equipment and some pretty extenstive coding for the software you could maybe cut out some of the practice time even if not all of it, but at that poing is that even worth it instead of just joining research? which most universities will let you do in your second year

>>133811058
Most law students are history undergrads, makes sense frankly

>>133814791
>Tfw engineering degree
>Tfw 90% of the jobs involve dealing with manufacturing in some way
Fuck this

>>133811867
Synagogues are much cheaper

>>133814988
Lol someone knows their a meritless fraud. Brag more about your parents money.

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>>133814869
>the point in engineering degrees is that you'll get a higher position from the get-go
Which is the problem with entitled millenials who have never set foot on a factory or a construction or never saw a bolt or a brick in their lives yet they want to be heads of projects or CEOs fresh outta university because muh degree taught me everything

>>133815483

lel nice one dude you really showed me, real thoughtful response. nice arguments. stay assblasted, poorfag.

>>133811058
HAVEN'T MET ME, BUCKO

Phil can be decent as prep for Law, especially if its focus is the classics and logic. But ya, philosophy has become a serious meme degree, and the last bastions of hope are the conservative religious enclaves

>>133815015
replying

this is a christian board faggot

>>133815459
Whatcha postin, Rabbi?

>>133815326
Lol it is far cheaper to let people make mistakes in a simulation that would destroy equipment or consume reagents/materials in the lab. Sure, eventually let them into a physical lab, but limit all the stupid noob mistakes to a simulation.

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>>133814622
>the OIC
No, tell me about this.

>>133815326
'expensive coding' because of the copy/paste nature of a program it will always be more scaleable. 1 program could literally let millions of people make billions of mistakes for the cost of that one program. Instead you'd rather use up those billion mistakes worth of reagents/material and any damage to health or equipment that would come with it.

>>133815336
Lol, my hobby and alma mater got me a shit job in manufacturing that qualified me for a science oriented job unrelated to my degree and initial professional experience. Being able to network and sell myself, aka liberal arts party and bullshit, landed me my current scientific job.

>>133815561
C'mon. 200k on a worthless degree and you can't even point out I used 'their' when I should have used 'they're'. I fuckin GAVE you that one and you swung and missed....

>>133815582
Career advice, that will be $50000.

>>133815515
exaggerations aside, an engineer should be able to do anything a worker is, that's what internships and field practice are for, so they won't be project managers or ceos straight away but they'll be a step above manual workers
>>133815627
I dunno about high end technology but commercial tier VR is very far from simulating real life, even the occulus touch is just a contoller and doesn't follow your hand movement a 100%
>>133815745
depends on how in debt you want a simulation be, but if you're weeding for mistakes then you should have as many possible mistakes coded in as possible, which will take a long time and will therefore be expensive

>>133815654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzkuQyexZc

I found the oic on my own and read their shit on islamophobia and stuff and when i posted it on here someone linked me this vid.

>>133815152
Had to think too much honestly, famiglia.
See >>133813851

>>133815904
I think you're thinking of like actual life like simulations, which makes me think you're a larp fag. You don't need to fuckin poor the test tube and check the miniscus to fuckin learn how a chemical reaction proceeds dude. Go play more video games larp fag.

>>133816071
>the only laboratory I've set foot in was in middle school
nice to know that mate

>>133815848

yeah okay, i'm sure you wouldn't have just deflected to "oh okay, attack my grammar not my argument".

> worthless degree

i thought you said it was "meritless" (whatever that means to you), not worthlessand. if you can find gainful employment with that degree then it can't really be "worthless" now can it?

>>133816229
just because there's a couple of smart niggers that doesn't mean every nigger is smart

>>133816302

>just because there's a couple of smart niggers that doesn't mean every nigger is smart

lel we're comparing non-STEMs to niggers now? you know most law school grads were history undergrads right? how is that niggerish?

>>133810746
People with Ph.Ds in any kind of language are autistic

>>133816421
just saying that because 1% of them found good work doesn't mean 99% of the rest did

>>133811652
And at the same time useless

>>133815309
Haven't you ever been engaged by a piece of art that defies summary or even explanation but feels important and true to you? There's always a surplus of meaning in (good) art that surpasses the needs of communicative language/gesture. There's mystery in it. And this has been the case...forever, since the days of Gobekli Tepe.

Your worldview in this sense scares me, there's no psychological depth to it. It's all utilitarian. Which is why you can write communist-sounding stuff like
>but all of that is secondary to actual goods.

>>133816461

but what if those 99% cost the taxpayer nothing. why would you care whether they find good work if you didn't have to subsidize their failure via taxes.

>>133816552
the "argument" was about those degrees being useless, you said they're not useless because you managed to find a good job with it through some nespotic jewing around but that still doesn't prove that the degrees aren't worthless because 99% of others who did that degree didn't get a good job

>>133816460
See, I would say that the sort of simplified categorization and avoidance of nuance that you're showing here actually demonstrates an autistic trait.

>>133816782

your point is still inane because there's no way 99% of history undergrads end up being "worthless" in terms of income vs debt etc. i'm sure the number is pretty high, but hyperbole doesn't help your point.

>>133816782

also
>nespotic

nice spelling, clearly not an english major.

>>133815904
An engineer who understands the manufacturing process from hands on experience, who knows the constraints of the tools and machinery that will put his design to work first hand, will always be preferable to a slicked up faggot with a masters.
In other words, trust the state a&m mechanical engineer who can change his own spark plugs over the cal tec pajeet who has never pumice scrubbed grease off of his hands.

>>133810476

ITT: hillbilly faggots who don't know that jobs like orchestral conductor, museum preservation or translators exist

I N T E R N A T I O N A L
S T U D I E S

>>133816229
Internet forum "STEM students" believe their degrees are "worth" because without the cardboard they are nothing. Most of them, afterwards, come from low class sectors.

They can't into networking, they can't into creativity, etc. They need a piece of paper to be "productive" because without it they'd be nothing. In fact they'd probably cannot even into calculus and applied math. They can't imagine you studying, say, languages or history and becoming a diplomat, a business administrator, a community manager, etc or any other productive thing. They can't immagine being a genius without a degree despite people like Bill Gates being dropouts without degree because they themselves are unable of such feats. Their emphasis on the degree is due to their lack of genuine creativity, as they are only trained to do repetitive stuff.

In this case, science != bettering of humanity/productivity; science=money= avoid being an outcast.

I leave outside the ecuation those in there with genuine love for science and respect for disciplines.

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>>133817048
True

>>133816965
I didn't make the thread, I don't have a problem with history personally but the rest are closer to a 100% worthless than 99%
>>133817012
languages are dynamic :^)
>>133817048
I mean, sure there's people with phd who will go outside and show the mexican manual workers how to do things with his own hands and fix shit and there ones who will say that they're overqualified to leave their offices but obviously the diligent ones will show more results in the end

>>133817328
Writing the person who probably has never been to shop floor

>>133817173
my brother did that, absolutely useless bullshit

>>133817515
More info?

>>133817514
bitch I'm in internship right now working 10 hours a day

>>133813678
This board is 18+

>>133811079
Damn anon. I'm in the dissertation stage now, also humanities. Really not thinking I want to stay in academia either.

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>do an apprenticeship
>become a tradie
>charge extortionate prices equal to a doctors pay because normies are fucking retarded and cant do the simplest of shit

>>133817237
I get what you are saying, and I agree with much of it, but college is pushed on kids in the U.S. as a racket. The surplus of students who can't hack it in organic chemistry or the like end up lowering the standards of those non stem majors, because Marxist brainwashing + muh shekels means universities want graduates. This ends up hurting the 50% of lib arts majors whom would be better off in a high tier trade like medical imaging, welding, or the like.
It also results in threads like this wherein autistic introverts jerk each other off about the hypothetical money they will make in their dream careers, that is until chem II savages their boipuccies.

>>133817616
Bitch please, full-time, top aerospace company

>>133817737
Tell us your story, brother.

>>133817933
What's your job entail?

Genuinely curious.

Or you get a full-ride scholarship along with a monthly stipend to study whatever I want as long as I work for the people paying for my school after graduation. That's the path I chose.
>STEM majors don't want you to know that the vast majority of them spend their days hating themselves doing monotonous and repetitive work.

>>133817933
does your dad work at nintendo though?

Secret but I work with Industrial Engineering groups and Manufacturing Engineering Core groups

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>>133818087

>>133818194
T-THICC

>>133817328
It's not about showing how it's done, it's about understanding what will actually work in the field once Pedro puts his hands on it. As the wise Yogi Beara once said "in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice, there is."
>>133817616
You're an intern? Shocking. Speak less, listen more.

>>133818247
Bottom line, mechanics will beat shit out of your ignorant attitude

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>>133818334
>>133818371
>you can't learn a stem degree from books only
>HEHE UR DUMBASS I WORKED MORE IN STEM STFU
hmm really makes me think

>>133818371
Old salty sobs like you are why I left the office Dandies and went to the lab. Never been better, desu.

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>>133810476
>"studying" anything
>willingly drown in debt

>>133818549
Ok kiddo, I'm sure you'll do great. You should tell prospective employers about your attitude. They'll love it.

>>133818554
>25
>Old
Sure desu

>>133818669
as I suspected, nice false flagging philosotard

>>133818648
if bernie would have won, we wouldn't have the problem.

but anyway, i went to community for my first 5 semesters, have almost no deby because its cheap as fuck, and to finish out at university, im going as cheap as possible, and its all being paid for out of pocket
no debt for the jews to leech off me :^)

>>133818714
I mean I agree with you. Engineers with no practical aptitude are fucking useless.

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>>133815572
>/pol/
>a kike board

Toppest Kek to you, my good sir!

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>>133811867

>>133817951
It might happen. I'm applying for university jobs in any case. I'm just kind of disillusioned with the environment and knowing that 95% of the kids in the classes I taught were just doing it as a requirement and didn't care about it. Like it was a game we had to play. I just couldn't shake the thought of how pointless it was for them to be spending money on the class if it was just something they knew they had to get through with as little effort as possible. I still put a shitload of effort into it all the time and there were definitely students who made it worthwhile. Actually that's way too pessimistic....really only applies to the big lecture classes. Smaller ones were much better. I also started applying for other non university jobs a while ago and got a really nice offer but it's contingent on a few things and I still have to wait half a year for it. But I get to renegotiate the offer once I'm done with the dissertation and they want me to start. Can't wait to see my advisor flip his shit when/if I tell him I'm not going into teaching. How's yours take it?

>>133813719
>going to school for economics
Hope learning (((Keynesian))) garbage was worthwhile

>>133810476
I think there's lots of very good reasons to study the humanities. One of the most important is because without an understanding of other people, we are prone to make mistakes they have made before. Or at a minimum, to reinvent the wheel. Which is why I find it so surprising that the humanities was so completely corrupted by the feminazis. If they wanted to be honest scholars they would be forced to look around and realize that there's never been a happy feminist. Feminism has brought nothing but untold misery and suffering. So why the hell would they continue to abide by it?

>>133811652
what are music academies like?

>>133810476
Ask an M.D. anything

>>133810476
I only went to school for pussy

>>133813626
My dog has been reading medical books (and also chewing on them). When is Dr. Doggod performing his surgery?

>>133813759
>>133813769
>dat armpit hair

This thread is indeed full of retarded tier majors

Can I make over 100k$ if I work as an engineer in the USA?

>>133823715
Yes but you'll be still poor inside your soul like you're right now