A conservative friend of mine recommended that I read this book

>>133772121
there isnt a tldr stop being a god damn fag and read it, it's a great book that teaches you exactly what it says on the cover, starting with simple concepts such as prices

stop looking for the easy routes in life

How much time did you spend (or do you spend) ingesting Marx et. al ? It takes time to learn, invest in yourself. You can do a LOT worse than reading Thomas Sowell.

>>133772395
thanks for responding

I do plan to read the full thing but the soonest I'll have the time to sit down for it is probably in a couple months time unfortunately

>A Liberal willing to listen
>is not willing to listen
If you want dumbed down summaries from people who haven't even read the book (me included), you came to the right place.

If the book is too long then read a little every day, or read something more introductory. You'll find lots of information on right-wing economic theory on mises' website, or you could listen to shorter interviews from Sowell, there's lots of good ones.

>>133772121
Lord... make time. It's only your life we are talking about.

>>133772434
None really. Admittedly I mostly adopted my views about economics from years of hearing from people how conservative economic proposals are uncaring towards the poor and only benefit the rich. So I eventually started to agree with people who were against conservatives by default

Which is why I'm now looking into actual economic theory

>>133772558

Your best bet is to probably take an hour out of your day to read what you can. Keep doing that every day and you'll have it read in no time.

Hope you end up liking it :)

>>133772558
>has the time to shitpost on /pol/
>doesn't have the time for reading a introductory book on a given subject

C'mon, dude

>>133772121
>i don't want to read
>i know, i can listen to an audio book thingy
>oh no that's too long and ooo shiny
>maybe someone can tell me what to think instead
flush yourself down the toilet

>>133772579
Are there any particular articles or videos that you would recommend?

>>133772121
>Is there a TLDR anywhere
Stop trying to take shortcuts and read the book.

>>133772121
>>133772558
>>133772813
>doesn't even open the book
>Hey friends! Give me a tl;dr!
>I have some marxist tendencies!
Shocking, a marxist wants others to do the work for him. Just read it. You are not too busy to spend a little time each day reading.

Why the fuck are lefties so lazy? It seriously is shown time and time again without fail.

>>133772884
I was told that this site is a good place to talk to conservatives

>>133772961

Savage

>>133772961
I plan to read the book when I have the time. I just have too much work at the moment

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>>133772121
>Marxist tendencies
>Liberal willing to listen

You are a socialist.

>>133772813
It's actually pretty impressive that you're willing to admit that. Starting with Basic Economics is a pretty good idea. It's not Rand tier intense pro consumerism, but it is a good introduction in to conservative economics. It would be better to read the book yourself, it's not long at all.

>>133772992
I plan too. Was just hoping for some info that could tide me over until I have the time

>>133772121
> Willing to listen
> "Read a book OP"
> No don't want to do that, somebody give me a TLDR

>>133773145
No you don't

I worked full time going through law school (also full time) and I made time daily to read a little to better myself. Drop the lazy mentality. Down time is for the weak.

>>133773056
I plan to read it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kx__dnAWqQ

>>133772121
Read Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt instead. It's the orinigal, superior, succinct version of Basic Economics.

>>133773164
I do tend to agree more with politicians that people refer to as socialists

>>133772558

Its easy to listen to audio books. Go for a walk or listen when in the car. 9 hours is nothing.

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>>133773077
>short version
it's the jews

>>133773287
Thanks!

Any other information that anyone thinks would be helpful is welcome

>>133772121
Listening to it on audible now. So far it mostly covers unintended consequences of leftism feels in cities, and communism in general. However, I have not heard an argument against UBI yet, and wonder what Sowell's thoughts on it are.

>>133773319
Thanks. I'll download it now

>>133773497
who are you kidding? you're no more going to watch that video than you are going to cure your aids.

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>>133772121
Just read this.

>>133773430
I just have too much on my plate on the moment with university and my job, but I plan to read the full book when I have time

>>133773480
Are you being serious? If so can you elaborate please?

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oh a marxist leftist who "doesnt have the time" to fully read something...

colour me shocked

>>133772121
The only book you should read is Protocols of Zion
After a few months proceed to read something related to economics like Mises, Sowell and Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Nice LARP
>saged

>>133773513
Thanks. Good to know he has real life examples of his arguments

>>133773623
I'm literally watching it now

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>>133772121

>>133773934
what did your rabbi tell you about lying?

>>133773650
I'll download it now. If its shorter than Basic Economics I might start reading it now

>>133774049
Only lie to goyim, so he is doing it right.

>>133774120
It is a lot shorter and to the point.

>>133773763
I plan to read it just not now. Too much other work to do

>>133773765
I've added it to my list

FYI, this site isn't filled with conservatives. For the most part conservatives are despised here. You'll only find Un-ironic Nazis and Ancaps here.

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>>133774315
So, have you even read Marx's writings?

>>133772121
JUST
R E A D
E
A
D
Honestly I don't know this book, never read, but I've come to dislike socialism simply by learning how it works and how human nature works, the closest I can get to helping you is describing why is socialism economically pants on head retarded.

>>133773836
What does LARP stand for?

The Black Book Of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

>>133772121
>A Liberal willing to listen
>Doesnt want to read the book
Why are they always like this

>give me a brief summary of a book that is a brief summary of economic principles

>>133774446
Liberal Ass Rimming Protocols.

>>133773285
is it a 5 year plan

>>133774385
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. But I guess I could also learn some things from anarcho capitalists

>>133772121
The TLDR version is as follows:

The economy is too complex for humans to manipulate it. A well intended economic policy would incontrovertibly lead to unintended outcomes.

Also, Supply and Demand.

>>133773747
Marxist Jews from the Frankfurt school escaped Hitler to America before ww2 started and proceeded to infect everyone through students in universities using critical theory to challenge everything and downgrade society.
This has now spread as those students mature and still being promoted by Jews in media and government across the entire western world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM

>>133772121
>the "cure for my Marxist tendencies"

A bullet to the head. Administer one to yourself ASAP.

>>133772121
Muh Magical Free Market: The Book

>>133774925
But seriously OP, read the damn book. You will be much more convinced.

The author makes some really good arguments against left wing economic policies without using obscure theories. The only theory he uses is the Supply and Demand model.

>>133772121
Liberals have the IQ and the attention span of goldfish

>>133774401
No, but according to all the conservatives I've spoken to my opinions are "Marxist"

Here's the short version: free market economics and fundamentalist Islam can be explained identically

The economy's good?

>praise the free market, it is solely responsible!

The economy's bad?

>The free market will fix it! Believe harder you stupid infidel!

>>133774925
WHO WILL WIN
Mental work that millions of people go through every day when they decide whether to buy things AND mental work that thousands of entrepreneurs go through every week when they decide of prices of their products, where to buy their supplies, where to build next store and do a lot of other business decisions
OR
one cheeky government which's manpower can't go over 1% of population without strain on the country?!

>>133774435
"the closest I can get to helping you is describing why is socialism economically pants on head retarded."

Please do

>>133772121
A leftist not wanting to do the work.
Top jej

>>133774471
Interesting. I'll look into this...

>>133774554
But I plan to read it, just not now

>>133774577
How was I LARPing then?

>>133773077
>conservatives
This place is mainly occupied by unironic nazis and other super rightists mate.
If you wanna learn all about the Jews, this is the place to be

>>133773664
What do you do for a living? Are you unable to listen to it while at work?

>>133772121
A lazy Bolshevic Nigger? Like pottery

>>133775324
not him but I'll give you an easy run down
giving money to shit parts of society that you took from good parts of society creates a shit society

>>133774446
>Asks about larp
>doesnt ask about sage
SAGED

>>133772121
>Conservacuck

Read it. If it starts to go full lolbertarian (e.g. "muh trickling down" or "rich (((jahbgivers))) give a shit about random American because muh free market", you can drop it.

Self-regulation arguments about the market are plain bullshit that is far from how it goes in real life.

>>133774925
>>133775203
>>133775260
>>133775313

Thanks for actually responding to my questions

>>133772121
this book is way too simplified and biased. Read advanced economics

>>133775088
If it's basic, it shouldn't be.

>>133775260

Even better "It's not true communism, but state socialism" and "It's not true free market, it's crony capitalism" are, basically, the same argument used by different parties.

>>133775642
I read about "sage" in the website's FAQ section

>>133775324
Read this >>133775313
AND remember bubbles are when people create lots of profitable jobs and suddenly, due to oversaturation, they aren't profitable anymore...
And the fact that socialism likes taxes, especially on the richest, which means that 1. EVERY person is punished for working AND people with the most ways of avoiding taxes are treated the harshest, which makes them avoid taxes the most.
And that you like to give money to poor, which incentives them NOT to work, since they're given free money already! Single mothers? X money a month for each niglet!
And the fact that, maybe, just maybe, some people ARE worse, ARE lazy, ARE not intelligent enough - their labour simply is NOT worth as much as that of others.
And, perhaps most important, left is feminist, which makes women work (doubles the available labour on the market, halves the worth of the labour), which means they're financially independent, which enables them to engage in degenerative practices (like whoring). I do have to say that this isn't entirely women nature, it's partially culture. Thanks, leftists. Oh, and there's the fact that if before 1 person was supposed to feed the family, but now labour worth is halved, you need 2 people to work - women don't have the time to birth and raise children, educate them and care for them.
That's all I can think of right now.

>>133775636

>good parts of society

So Jewish (((bankers))) and scum like Soros are the good parts of society, while average Joe that creates something actually useful instead of bubbles, crisises and misery, is a shit part of the society.

Ok.

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>>133776128
HOLY SHIT

Thanks for the response. I hate to admit it but a lot of what you just said (even with the unnecessary racism) makes a lot of sense. Anything more you can add would be appreciated

>>133772121
>wanting tldr of an economics book

lmao

just read a chapter regularly every once in a while. you don't need to read the whole thing in one sitting.

>>133776294
>So Jewish (((bankers))) and scum like Soros are the good parts of society,
I'd actually gladly remove finance sector from economy, there's just no fucking point to it. It doesn't provide you with any service, it just gives you money, for money. If anything, I'd rather go with national, universal-central bank, with functions of printing and backing currency, storing people's money for free and giving pretty lenient loans (though I'd like the law to be very harsh on paying them back, because you're stealing your countrymen money).
Capitalism is breddy gud, until the Jews work their way into banks and fucking start making money with money.

>>133772121
>A Liberal willing to listen
>but clearly not willing to put any work in

>>133776515
Racism or not, single motherhood with black/mixed child is surprisingly common. In fact it is so common that official statistics (US) say that 75% of black people are born out of wedlock.
Three quarters of population. You know what? It wasn't that bad even 50 years ago. What happened?
Welfare. No incentive to work since they get money for free. No incentive to marry since government gives money. No incentive to be functional members of society because THEY'RE PAID FOR BEING FUCKING NIGGERS

>>133776515
Lets talk about the minimum wage. By imposing a minimum wage, those people whose work output which are not worth the minimum wage would be fired. Mostly, these low skilled workers are the poor.

Since they are not able to work anymore, they will not be able to gain experiences therefore making them even less employable. In most cases, these poor people would much prefer to work for a shitty wage than not having a job at all.

All that minimum wage benefits are the middle class (people which would have better opportunities to be educated or trained), at the expense of the poor people.

Again, on the surface, minimum wage sound like something which would benefit the poor people, but really, it does the exact opposite.

>>133773664
Holy fuck dude, you must literally do nothing but work and slam pussy, thats what you liberals do right? Radical!

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>>133772121
Between Sowell, Milton Friedman and Walter Williams, you'll hopefully have a better understanding of why things could be better going this route.

>blah blah won't have time to read all of it

Youtube the names, is this bait?

>>133772121
10/10 bait OP.

>>133772395
fpbp

>>133772988
https://youtu.be/Do6wp9Vydys
> Compared to what?
> At what cost?
> What hard evidence do you have?

There are more books written on any given subject than anyone can read in a lifetime. Selectivity is crucial. 'Read this 900 page tome that supports my worldview' is not a substitute for an argument.

>>133777000
To add:
>instate minimum wage on easily automated task
>suddenly task is cheaper to automate than to staff
And
>you have to pay X money per month to your workers?
>enjoy working half a month lol
And
>you have to provide workers working over X hours a month with certain benefits?
>enjoy working half a month
>except I can keep up the productivity by hiring twice the people lololol

>>133776515
>doompaul pic

Yeah, confirmed for an oldfag right winger LARPing as a newfag left winger

>>133772121
>Is there a TLDR anywhere that summarizes all the points and arguments that Thomas Sowell makes in it?
>Sure, I want to know the truth, but I'm not willing to read a whole entire book to get it.
Libfags can't read anything longer than a tweet.

You are a liberal because you are MENTALLY INFERIOR.

>>133772121
TLDR free markets work.

It's a great intro book. Even though it's not as rigorous as Man, Economy, And State or Human Action, but it makes up for this by including a lot of historical anecdotes which are the real heart of the book.

The emphasis on historical examples and pragmatic arguments is what makes it such a smooth redpill.

>>133776515

Almost all left-wing policies have the effect of increasing inflation, as well. This is mitigated somewhat by the Federal Reserve, but only because the Fed enshrines permanent inflation into the economy via inflation targeting.

>What is inflation?

Inflation is a sustained increase in prices. There are two main kinds: Demand and Input. Demand inflation is when the demand for goods rapidly exceeds the supply, causing prices to increase. Input inflation is when the cost for inputs rapidly increases, causing prices to increase. 99% of what the left does is cause input prices to increase. While there may be utility for causing input prices to rise (labor is an input, after all) those good jobs are paid for, effectively, by the poor. The left tries to do an end-run around this problem by redirecting money from the rich to the poor, which causes a negative feedback loop in the economy.

>>133777633
>TLDR free markets work.

So it's a shit book then. Free markets don't work. Even fucking bread had to be regulated since antiquity (literally since Roman times at least) to be functional.

>>133777490
Also to add:
Most of the people on minimum wage are very young and are not 100% independent. More than likely, once they work for a couple years, they will be making more than the minimum wage.

There are only a very small amount of people that are just shit out of luck and are working at minimum wage whilst having to provide for a family. There are any ways to help alleviate their problems without the heavy handed approach of increasing the minimum wage.

It's cool to see a liberal open to ideas and reading about economics, most lefties to give a shit about economics.

I've read part of the book, and it's pretty good. You'll read about how capitalism and our economic system currently works(for now, it is for the most part a conservative system though moving left rapdily)

Enjoy your read!

>>133777490
So the capitalist will gladly whore off his own country for a couple of extra shekels. Including, but not limited to:

-Slaving their own people (or running out to niggers if the own people are not cucks)
-Importing niggers for muh free market
-Sabotaging, diverting, and subverting general opinion and research with paid shills and blatant propaganda (Example - anti-fat hysteria in favor of the carbohydrates, (((Circumcision))), and GSK case on selling false medicine and forcing it through paid doctors)
-Favouring consumerist stagnation over progress, for which, as usually, state pays until the "muh market" gracefully walks on the road paved by public universities to reap all the profits.

If not the "le ebul gubmint" we'd still have a good old telegraph, albeit with trinkets and other customized shit for plebs to be happy.

Watch some Thomas Sowell videos in the meantime; but, seriously: read the book.

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>>133778195
>implying the industrial revolution wasn't caused by almost actual capitalism

>>133772813
They are uncaring towards the poor. Fuck the poor. They can make their own money, why should I (30k a year) pay for the poor to house themselves when I can barely afford ends meet. Fuck the poor, let them starve for all I care. If they don't want to starve they can go get their own food by working hard

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>ugh reading is hard
No wonder you're a marxist.
Basic Economics is a great book. The print is large and it's an easy read. Don't be a baby.

>>133778195
>-Slaving their own people
Did you know free market works both ways?
>-Importing niggers for muh free market
No, this is because DUDE DEBT ECONOMY LMAO (this is honestly the worst capitalism possible, thanks jewish bankers).
>-Sabotaging, diverting, and subverting general opinion and research with paid shills and blatant propaganda (Example - anti-fat hysteria in favor of the carbohydrates, (((Circumcision))), and GSK case on selling false medicine and forcing it through paid doctors)
>what is lysenkism
Tbh this is a valid argument, BUT government should be there to stop this bullshit. Except it's legal in US.
>-Favouring consumerist stagnation over progress, for which, as usually, state pays until the "muh market" gracefully walks on the road paved by public universities to reap all the profits.
Free market favours profit. You may say that there can be a cartel that promotes stagnation, but all it takes is one new contender, one too greedy participant to release objectively better product, which will soon be bought more, to make others have to compete as well - by making cheaper or better product. The greatest enemy of a capitalist is another capitalist.
>inb4 it's not happening now
Thanks government regulations favouring big corporations. You da best.

>>133773747
OK, this is obviously a LARP

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>>133777000
I understand your argument, but what about cases where poor and powerless people are genuinely getting shafted by employers who exploit them by giving them an unlivable wage only because that the poor person has no other options, even though the employer can afford to pay them more?

>>133772121
>The shortest audio book version I can find is over 9 hours long and I just don't have the time to read it at the moment

I hate people that listen to audio books, and pretend that they're well read. You do realize that reading, and listening to someone else read are different things, right?

>>133772121
Free markets don't exist and can never work

Sowell doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

>>133772579
just listen to the audiobook on 2x speed. you can find it on youtube

>>133777160
Lol

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>>133777270
What does fpbp stand for?

>>133778790

>Critical theory

You forgot to mention that this provides the conceptual framework through which (into which) all the other fields are viewed (hammered).

>>133772813
economics is not a science. there is no TLDR; version, it requires study and disspassionate evaluation of ideas, which is sadly a skill most leftists have abandoned in favour of the plaintive "Think Of The Children" non-arguments and ad hominem attacks against the opponent in anydiscussion of this incredibly complex set of contradictory narratives.

essentially it boils down to 2 basic schools of thought:

Left: the overall economy should be strictly controlled by government, individuals should be told what they can, cannot, and even what they MUST purchase, and at what price. failure to comply results in civil or criminal sanctions. the economy belongs to the government (and by extension to whichever regime currently holds power) and all the people are merely mindless drones operating within the vast machinery of the state's economic gristmill. any one who fails to provide sufficient benefit to the state will be culled (expropriation of wealth, gulag and/or firing squad)

Right: the economy belongs to those who act within it, it is too nebulous and complex for any state to control and any attempt to perform regulations beyond establishing a basic framework and providing means for redress of grievances is folly. once weights and measures, currency and courts have been established and maintained, the market will regulate itself within a civilized nation, and govt can stick to what it does best, fucking up international trade agreements and then trying to un-fuck them over and over again.

i agree with the latter stance.

everything else ever written on economics is just hypothesis and bullshit.

>>133777490
I never would have thought of that

Thanks for the response!

download audio book. have book reader read book at 1.5 times speed. that is now only 7 hours of audiobook. go for a 30 minute walk in the morning and a 30 minute walk in the evening and listen to the audiobook. You will be done with the audiobook in 1 week.

If you are actually 'willing to listen' then this plan should be perfect for you.

>>133777524
I found that picture on another thread. Thought it was funny. Besides I like Ron Paul

>>133772121
read thomas sowell and milton friedman, genius and sharp minds these guys have/had

>>133777532
Care to help me raise my intelligence then?

>>133779048
keep talking out your ass...

you have no fucking clue what your talking about

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>>133778790

>history

>>133772813
literally me 6 years ago, grew up super liberal and obviously the rich were the root of all evil, it was a given , no arguments about it, no actual explanations

but then i got tired of that meme and wanted to learn an understand what actually creates wealth and poverty and how the economy works, on a basic level at least

>>133778195
>Slaving their own people
implying that having to work hard = slaving. God, aren't you a lazy pig?
>Importing niggers for muh free market
That's because those niggers are willing to survive at a lower standard of living. A form a sacrifice you first world people are too lazy to commit.
>Sabotaging, diverting, and subverting general opinion and research with paid shills and blatant propaganda
Yea, and lies would inevitably be uncovered. By then, the companies responsible would face severe punishment by the general public
>Favouring consumerist stagnation over progress, for which, as usually, state pays until the "muh market" gracefully walks on the road paved by public universities to reap all the profits.

It is funny how even with the consumerist stagnation, a capitalist society would still reach to a goal faster than the planned economy focused on reaching that particular goal.

>>133776721
>I'd actually gladly remove finance sector from economy, there's just no fucking point to it.

FUCKING COMMIE! YOU TREAD ON THE RIGHT OF HARDWORKING (((PEOPLE))) TO MAKE THEIR LITTLE GESHEFTS? WORSE THAN STALIN!

>It doesn't provide you with any service, it just gives you money, for money.

In Russian language there is a jargon "idiom" - Пpoдaвaть пoнт. Approximately, it's selling "Swag" - nothing of value with the only purpose of bragging.

Capitalism (esp. modern one) always dumbs down to selling swag, since it's
a) The easiest
b) Brings most profits
c) In the sooner time.

Of course, the imposed "voting with your wallet" doesn't work, since most people don't give much fuck about everything besides "I pay for shit, I get it".

>Capitalism is breddy gud, until the Jews work their way into banks

Kulaks were Russian and were employing the same jewery, pretty much, only with bread instead of money.

NB: That's how I define jewry. You loan money (in this case, food) to fellow countrymen. What percents will you take extra? Not much? Or will you force him to spend half the next season working on your field so he'd have less time to work on his own and, therefore, would be forced to take another (((loan))) from you?

The former would ideal capitalism/socialism, the latter is jewry.

It's not the Jew thing solely, though they do learn that shit since the kindergarten. It's a free market mindset - a logical conclusion to the "get most profits for yourself".

In the end, it leads to decadence, degeneracy and withering.

As for welfare, I'd consider it to be given as an investment. For example: free education for state money? Ok, but student will work three years, for example, where state will appoint him to.
You work good and are a law-abiding citizen? You have more lax healthcare payment, as well as provided places to store your children so your potential career (and therefore, income) won't get gutted.

>>133778649
Do many conservatives feel this way?

>>133777490
Would tarrifs be worth it if you desired automated domestic manufacturing?

>>133778724
Why does everyone think I'm "LARP"ing?

>>133779893
STFU LARPER

>>133779736
Deep down, yes. Through their actions and political views, yes. Some might actually donate to charity, which I have absolutely no problem and might actually do myself one day if I have the cash to spare. But in the end, please answer me, why do I need to lose well over 6 thousand dollars off my check in taxes (not including sales tax on stuff I buy) to pay for degenerates and social rejects, criminals and drug dealers who hate me for earning more than they do? They not only hate the rich, they hate anyone who earns more than them, you won't see a nig robbing another person from their hoods, they got nothing, they rob the people from working class neighborhoods

>>133779347
the perfect exemplar of leftist "argument" on economics and pretty much every other subject as well.

keynes in fact declared that the state should hire peasants to dig holes, tax them, then hire them to fill the holes back in, and tax them again, for endless prosperity. this is the basic assumption of all leftist economics and it is BULLSHIT.

as to your claim that free markets do not, can not and will never exist...
you are 100% retarded.
free markets have existed and DO exist right now.

of course completely unregulated markets are unstable, risky and full of fraud and robbers, so SOME regulation is necessary if only to ensure weights, measures and currency are secure and trustworthy and too provide courts to settle disputes, but after that, any interference with a market is counter-productive.

your definition of "free markets" is so twisted and deranged as to become reductio ad absurdum.
markets with absolutely zero regulation invariably collapse from fraud and robbbery or evolve some means of establishing standards, which immediately transforms these markets into "glorious socialist utopias which prove marx was right all along" to leftists and other slow kids on the short school bus.

dont try to start shit with me, i am way out of your league.

>>133778848
The employee will search for another job, and give his previous boss the finger when he gets hired somewhere else. In right to work states, the employer AND the employee BOTH have the right to terminate their employment contract whenever they want for ANY reason, no matter how trivial it is. Therefore, workers will put in some effort to keep their job unless their boss is a dick, while their boss won't be a dick to them as long as they do a good job.

>>133779893
Because you are going so far out of your way to be "polite" and non-threatening that is obvious that you're either shilling for something, gathering info on our views for some gay article or you're some retard who wants to talk about his actual beliefs, gets no replies on his threads so he makes a Democrat LARP to get (you)s

>>133779736
Most conservatives would happily give taxes to these things if they were proven to work. Currently it just seems like a money sink.

>>133778848
There are many other ways the government could step in to help them (other than the minimum wage). The point I am trying to make is that minimum wage is too much of a heavy handed approach. Yea sure, the minimum wage would help those really desperate people being abused. But what about other people that got fired because of the minimum wage? Would them loosing their jobs be worth it in alleviating the suffering of those people being abuse by their employers? We need to talk about cost and benefit here.

Read the book, Thomas Sowell explained it much better than I could.

>>133772558
> has time to post in /pol/
> doesn't have time to read a very informative book

Priorities man, priorities.

>>133780504
"you're some retard who wants to talk about his actual beliefs"

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to do now but only a few people have responded directly to my questions. I didn't know that being polite was considered a bad thing on this website. I guess I'm used to posting on facebook and twitter

>>133772121
>liberal
>wants to be spoonfed information rather than just put any effort in themselves
Sounds about right

>>133779464
>having to work hard

Mate, if you are glad to work hard for a loaf of bread to make sure your boss gets another yacht/fancy car - it's your right, I suppose. As is prepping the nigger bull for your wife. Don't try to pass it off as a norm.

>That's because those niggers are willing to survive at a lower standard of living.

So, you are willingly giving up on your quality of living for the shekels of some Yakov McGoldbergstein.
Moreso, you consider it a noble sacrifice.

Mate, not everyone is a fucking masochist. Also, rich fags won't appreciate your sacrifices anyways and will gladly toss you away like a used condom to hire some chink who will do the same for the bowl of rice.

>By then, the companies responsible would face severe punishment by the general public

Like Nestle for child labor? Or IBM for working with Nazis? Or Coca-Cola for death squads? Or GSK for fake medicaments resulting in numerous deaths? Or British Petroleum for oil spill? Or the Union Carbide India Limited for Bhopal? Or Wall Street faggots? Don't remember them being lynched for the last economical crisis.

Also, Mate, every guy working even remotely with PR and politics will tell you that people... well... have a fucking narrow comfort zone.
Also, they have a very low memory on the events, even the comparably big enough.

>capitalist society would still reach to a goal faster

Had the dick measurement competition between USSR and US still being active, we'd have much more useful shit. Daily reminder, btw, that it was US that was forced to adapt to compete with Ruskies (again, through ebul gubmint forcing people to not be niggers and learn math and physics)
But hey, at least you have the extra thin Iphones 9999G with corpus and a glowing selfie stick. And 4k zombievisor to watch a successful (((jahbgiving))) Kardashits chimping out.

>>133780977
Well either assimilate or die

>>133778649

>their own food by working hard

They tend to overlook the simple fact that sometimes "working hard" involves "beating the shit out of rich fag and taking it's posessions".

>>133780751
And I would like to again hammer in the point that the economy is too complicated for humans to manipulate it. A disturbance in one point of the economy would send a ripple effect across the entire economy. Unless we have a super computer capable of modelling the entire economy, we should steer clear away from any attempts of a planned economy. Maybe then, would communism be better than capitalism.

>>133781510
>They tend to overlook the simple fact that sometimes "working hard" involves "beating the shit out of rich fag and taking it's posessions".
Every poor person gets a piece of it, or just a selected number of people, so they are the new rich guys in town?
But what if a group raises its voice and claims that they have contributed more to the coup than others and want to be paid accordingly?

>>133780457
While I'm at it, let's talk about unions.
Unions are pretty much racketeers. A union is essentially, a block of workers in an industry, who will threaten employers to walk out and strike, unless their salaries are increased. Also, the union will threaten and intimidate any skilled worker who is not in a union to either join, or fuck off. Unions call these people "scabs." They especially hate the workers the company hires when the union is on strike.
But wait, can't the company just fire all the union workers, and tell them to fuck off? Nope, not in a state where there are no right to work laws. If that's not enough, they will also lobby for minimum wage laws, in order to virtue signal their sympathy for the umemployed, and the poor, but like >>133777000 said, it actually raises the barrier to entry into the labor market, and keeps the non-union workers form taking over their jobs, and protects their cushy overpaid salaries.

There are plenty of liberals who are capitalists and understand economics. It's mostly the dorm room crowd who don't get it. Is it any wonder? Academia is cloistered and detached from any consequence. When you're living the consequence free life, you get some gnarly ideas in your head.

>>133772121
>TLDR
This is why you're a Marxist.
You're fucking intellectually lazy.

>>133778689

>Did you know free market works both ways?

Mate, I've lived through the free market paradise in post-soviet republics.
Thanks, but save the bullshit about working "both ways" to somebody else.

>No, this is because

No, this is because niggers will (((work))) for much less and you can make them expendable since nobody will give a shit about them.

By the way, you are doing the same shit with cockholes right now.

>Tbh this is a valid argument

The problem is that this argument undermines the whole idea of the fairness of "free market". Government is not a panacea, in fact, it's a finger in the dyke. At least it works SOMETIMES and prevents things from going full nigger.

>Free market favours profit

Yes, profit.
And milking out the old shit is a good way for making big net profits with minimal risks. Better than risking coming with something entirely new, especially when it may fail or may not fail, like in case with the researches.

>but all it takes is one new contender, one too greedy participant to release objectively better product

Objectively? Or (((objectively))) because it advertised blatantly, has a catchy theme song and certain shills are shilling the review sites? Reminds me of the tobacco companies shilling in the early 20-th century that wouldn't shy about bullshitting how smoking is healthy and, at one point, even used kids imagery to selling their products.
Also, what prevents, for example, Coca Cola, from funding death squads to silence people who would expose the potential harmful effects of their product?
Hell, remember the "United breaks guitars"? Yeah, the stock dropped, sure, but it went back, IIRC, couple months later. Several months ago there was that chink doctor what was kicked out, but people already forgot about it. Now they have new informational reason - some rapper's dog, and switched their attention completely to it.

It's basics of subversion. Marketologs and politologists use it very liberally.

>>133780977
You have been here posting for 1 and a half hours.

>>133778790
>anthropology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

>>133781280
>your boss gets another yacht/fancy car
Well then, why don't you fucking get your shit together and start your own business? Or maybe learn to save money instead of spending it on useless shit.

> "I am entitled to a higher quality of living"
Nobody is entitled to anything on this planet. Start you own fucking business then if you think you are entitled to a higher quality of living. There are anti-trust law around to prevent those hooked nose kikes from screwing over your small business.
>Nestle.. IBM ... blah blah
Yea, and they faced severe economical punishments from the public. What makes you think that those company should be completely dissolved because of one or two fucked up acts they have committed? Dont forget, most of those companies are owned by the general population via shares.

>Muh USSR is better

where is your USSR now phaggot? How are those worker rights in the supposed communist China? Last I've heard, they're one of the most abused class of people on this planet.

>>133772121
Good book but you should also look into Peter Schiff, Milton Friedman, Thomas Woods, FFF and the Mises Institute.

>>133782275

Depends on who gets the angry mob under their thumb, how shit the life was before and if the ones ruling the mob can just fuck off to another country.

That's why USSR was an improvement over Empire despite being communist and that's why the "capitalist Russia" went to fucking shit after listening to the "wise guidance" of Chicago school Jews.

>>133772121
Fuck everything and read "Wealth of Nations" my good dude.

>>133783105
And better yet, you could start your own business whilst treating your own employees in a humane way. Guess what, those skilled workers working for the hooked nose kikes would now work for you instead => Your business would perform much better than theirs.

>>133772988
just watch milton friedman videos on youtube complete with the Q&A's. There are even a couple videos with thomas sowell in them as well alongside milton, and since milton was a huge inspiration for sowell it wouldn't hurt.

He's also a pretty cheeky lil jew and most of the vids are 20-50min and rather fun watches/listens.

>>133783587
>Depends on who gets the angry mob under their thumb
So basically an certain group of people is in high demand because of their skillset, in this case most likely soldiers, and various people/groups are offering certain resources (cash, food, valuables) to have them supplied to their cause.
By eleminating the rulling mob, lets call it compitition, they are able to push their cause, kind of like a product to the masses and let them decide if it meets their demand or repeat the cycle, till it does.

Sounds like free market.

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>>133774120
this is a short read as well.

>>133772121
of course the marxist is lazy

>>133783105
>Well then, why don't you fucking get your shit together and start your own business?

If everyone is a fucking manager or businessman, who will fucking work, you nigger?

>Yea, and they faced severe economical punishments from the public.

>Severe

Mate, let's talk about severity when I will have a 100$ fine for killing you and your family, ok? "Severe economical punishments" my ass. Not to mention that CEO's won't pay shit because they have enough goyim working for them to cut THEIR wages.


>where is your USSR now phaggot?

Where will be white race in a couple decades, fucking cuck.
Enjoy your niglets.

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>>133773077
I'm more of a national socialist than a conservative which most are too, so economically we're center right. You'll find some libertarians here too and conservatives but not for the majority.

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>>133784363
wtf? Are commies like you even allowed to be racist?

Also pic related after the BP spill. Try again sweetie.

>>133772121
>A liberal willing to listen
>Also searching for an easy way out and not willing to read a book or even listening for some hours

I hope this is bait.

But if you want a really short red pill, check Okuns leaky bucket. Not sure if I got the name right but one small picture might give you some insight on taxes and transaction costs.

>>133776128
interesting
could lower taxes on someone who works more hours work as an incentive away from gibs?

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>>133772121
>>133772558
>I do plan to read the full thing but the soonest I'll have the time to sit down for it is probably in a couple months time unfortunately

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>>133784105

Ayo, hol up.
So you saying that success of communist revolution is a legit result of free market, only on a scale of country and more ideological?

It is an interesting interpretation. But then again, it kind of dissolves the whole discussion because by that, we're pretty much living in a free market right now with governments serving as the companies that "are already at the top".

In fact, this is what irks me in ancap/lolberts ideology.

Also, one might say that state-oriented ideologies - stalinist communism/nationalism/fascism and different shades of them - are just viewing the whole country/society as a unified player in the global market, although with goals more closer to survival rather than profit. But in that case, I really don't understand ancap sperging. They have their free market at the late state already.

>>133780977

Here's the quick rundown:

>Nobody cares what you call them and you will be called anything
>If you push an opinion, prepare to defend it
>Moderators will not intervene on anyone's behalf

Democrats and generic liberals get shredded like tissue paper here just from the sheer indefensibility of most of their positions in the face of hard data.

>>133784628

>Are commies like you even allowed to be racist?

Main perk of being part of Warsaw pact is not having fags from USA preaching about muh tolerance and diversity. Granted, you must not bitch against Moscow, but it's a low price for not importing niggers en masse because of "white guilt".


>Also pic related after the BP spill.

Such devastating blow. Except it's not.

>>133785486
>It is an interesting interpretation. But then again, it kind of dissolves the whole discussion because by that, we're pretty much living in a free market right now with governments serving as the companies that "are already at the top".
But they are kind of exactly that.
For me the "free market" (would not be surprised if I am wrong) is nothing else besides survival of the fittest in their enviroment.
And the government, whatever system it represents, is currently the one that prevents all the sub groups in society to take over and impose/supply their will (products) on the population, or atleast dominates it to stay at top.
It is like monopoly which is cabapable of dictating the course of action, because of its resources (may they be workers, leaders, money, ifastructure, education, supply of essentials etc.) and influence.

An ideologie can only be succesfully implemented, when it achieves the effect of acceptence from the people.
And I would say the same goes for products on the market.

Hope my english makes some kind of sense, not really my strongest trait at the moment, when it comes to putting thoughts down in it.

Read "Economics in One Lesson" if you insist on completing this task lazily.

It's the best, shortest, easiest to understand book about why you are wrong in your beliefs and in life.

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>>133785974
>Democrats and generic liberals get shredded like tissue paper here just from the sheer indefensibility of most of their positions in the face of hard data.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
some faggot who hates science because it seems too hard is pretending "hard data" is used by any of these tards when all they have to do is scream "liburaul!" and feel they've instantly won no matter the topic

global warming denial isn't exactly respecting "hard data" yet it is a major plank of the gop platform to deny science and push for paying churches with govt money to teach how jesus made whales or some shit
yeah fuck off conservatard
you hate anything that isn't in the bible
then what the fuck are you doing on the internet and on /pol/?
gtfo and go fuck your cousin
jesus will probably say that's okay, donchano

>>133780977


>>133785974
This.
Say what you gotta say, nobody will ultimately judge you, but be prepared to be BTFO'd in the moment. You will not be banned for being a faggot, but everyone will call you one, you really can't do that anywhere else, the mods will ban you for veering away from their core beliefs. Ive been banned so many times from Facebook FOR POSTING GOVERNMENT STATISTICS (FUCKING BLACKS REEEEEEEEEEE STOP BANNING MEEE) that if I get banned once more ill get a permaban and lose all the random friends from HS, the army and college I have.

Here, thanks to anonymity, the single only thing that matters is the content of your arguments. It's why I honestly believe that the right wing/conservative (not neocon) is the valid way to rule a society, the debate is still unsettled whether or not to have a totalitarian government (/nsg/) or a libertarian government (or lack there of /lrg/)

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>>133787157
>this post
>not b8
If government is only giving out grants to scientists who will research ways to prove/measure global warming then all scientists will chase the money bags and fulfill those contracts in order to get the grants.
https://youtu.be/3QmkHr0W5Vk

>>133787157

>global warming denial

/pol/ is absurdly divided about global warming. Just about the only thing they agree on about it is that it's used to push kike bullshit that wouldn't fix the problem.

Dont fall for the (((ECONOMIST))) meme.

The only problem we have is that our money, our tool for trade, self-increases by having a lot of it. This is fundamentally wrong. Money shohuld decrease when it is hoarded, as it is meant to be in circulation to enable trade and entrpeneurial endeavours. The absolute scam is interest. Abolish it, turn it upside down and none of our economic problem exist!

All the shit they brainwash people with only make sense in their inherently flawed system that they would never even think of talking about changing.

>>133788611
>The absolute scam is interest. Abolish it, turn it upside down and none of our economic problem exist!

Interest represents the value of time, retard. Something that your faggot Marx did not comprehend.

>>133772121
It's a good book. Read it and do the questions as well.

>>133786474

>It is like monopoly which is cabapable of dictating the course of action

This is the main difference between you and most lolberts. you don't try to mental gymnast around the fact that creation of monopoly/oligopoly will be a natural process. And (at least, I view it as that) the endgame for many high-level companies.

>And I would say the same goes for products on the market.

I think it's less "monolithic" with products, as in it's easier to do subversion and plain out bullshit your way through due to general indifference and narrowness of comfort zone.

Why there is /pol/ board? Simple: Politics are part of our lives and influence our lives in pretty radical and harsh way.

Why there isn't, I don't know, /market/ board to discuss brands and products? Because nobody gives a fuck about that unless something really shitty happens and even then, span of attention in the media, and it's a proven fact, it's pretty low.

And even if there is a popular control that will dish out punishment and retribution for fuck ups, the resulting punishment is laughable.

>>133772395
fpbp
>>133772121
Just read the damn book fag.

>>133790144
>that economist brainwashing

No it doesn't. It represents the creation of non-existent value for the proxy. Value that does not exist in real terms and fucks up the proxy's use as a tool for valuing good correctly. Also read up about Divergences to learn how fuck things really are.

Money is a trading tool that needs to be constantly in circulation. Rewarding those that hoard and take money out of circulation destroys moneys natural function, fucks up trade and severely disadvantages those not born into money, to the point of absolute slavery that we are approaching now.

>>133772121
Skip this affirmative action niggerbabble garbage and read a real book.

>>133790144
Fuck off kike.

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>>133772558
so you're shitposting?

>>133773077
few conservatives here, many of the right wing and fascists

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>>133787157
>major plank of the gop platform to deny science and push for paying churches with govt money to teach how jesus made whales or some shit
how retarded and inept do you have to be to unironically think anyone here are (((republicans))). shit tier b8 lad

>>133773145
>democrat
>work

stop lying and read the fucking book you lazy pos

>>133773077
There are some "real" conservatives here but you have to find them in the libertarian generals.

>>133772579
when it comes to the economy conservatives are just as hard line and delusional

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>>133772121
Ahahahahahahaha
your friend sounds like a good guy
read the book you faggot

this book redpilled me hard
100% worth reading

another excellent (and shorter) book is Henry Hazlitt's Economics on One Lesson
but sowell is better

inb4
>Marxist
>always moralfagging
>claiming philosophical rigour
>can't even read a book

>>133772121
Read it here:
http://www13.zippyshare.com/v/oSY4SLqd/file.html

Video games cause violence.

>>133773077
This site is a good place to meme with children

>>133795271
Henry Hazlitt was the GOAT

so easy to read, understand, etc

great for beginners

>>133795512
You spelled niggers wrong.

>>133772558
>I have to read an entire book in a single sitting.

You have time to read 10 pages a night. Get over yourself. You're not THAT busy. You are coming across as a neurotic tool.

>>133795647
I had no idea Bill Gates was a nigger.

Thanks for the update bill, I'm sure you're having tons of fun right now figuring out wtf is going on.

I'll tell you what's going on, Bill, you are an enormous pedo hiding behind billions of dollars.

>>133795887
he doesnt have time to read but he has time for 4chan, masturbation, etc.

?

this is modern society. failure.

>>133772121
>Is there a TLDR anywhere that summarizes all the points and arguments that Thomas Sowell makes in it?

I would recommend that you read the whole thing without someone to cut it up and feed it to you like your worthless mother still does with your food.

>>133773664
Jesus Christ how arrogant do you want to be?

I study full time, work full time, have two god damn children under the age of 5 and a shitposting Aussie reputation to uphold on /pol/ and I can find time to beat off or read books.

>>133795633
i'll defer to this gentlemen's expertise

i've read some other Sowell works more recently which may have skewed my recommendation

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>>133785486
>market just like government
if that were true there would be only one
>candy bar
>soda
>beer
>socks
>underpants
>mattress
>pillow
>tshirt
>jeans
>bike
>car
>house

>>133796241
second
op needs to take an inventory of his life and cut out all the loser activities that apparently eat up all his time

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>>133772121
Read I, Pencil, Mr. Toobusy McSelfimportant. There's even an mp3 for lazy fucks.

https://fee.org/resources/i-pencil-audio-pdf-and-html/

>>133772121
thomas sowell is a niggger

but i read conflict of visions it's really good

>>133795202
Maybe the worst post I have ever seen.

>>133798933
Thomas Sowell is the philosonigger