Communism >all people are equal Capitalism >some people

>>133678625
it's basically equality of outcome vs equality of opportunity

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>>133678625
Communism
>millions die
Capitalism
>faggots complain about everything
Yeah i guess thats it

>>133678688
/thread

>>133678742
>not knowing duterte's party is as far left as corbyn
Shiggy

Capitalism
>society should be organized as a hierarchy with bosses
Communism
>society should be organized as a hierarchy with bosses
Anarchism
>society should be organized into small worker collectives with no bosses

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>>133679061
>ignore the quote cause of the quotee
Shiggitler

>>133678625
Precisely

>>133679128
Anarcho-communism
>not real anarchy

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>>133678625
>No one ever thinks about rouikism

It boils down to collectivism vs. individualism the problem is that communism is what people think all collectivism is.

>>133678625

Post the one of her covered in semen

>>133678688
That's it

>>133679128
>Capitalism
90% of people who have it are in or are close to being in the top 1% of the world's economy.

>Communism
Everyone who isn't an elite party member starves.

>Anarchism
A power vacuum that will result in civil war followed by a dictatorship.

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>>133679752
Sounds breddy gud

>>133678625
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>>133678625
Communism
>all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

>>133678688
What if I want inequality of both?

>>133678625

Communism
>People are slaves to their system
Capitalism
>People are slaves to the 1% who buy our politicians and encourage them to enforce policies so they get even more while pushing the middle class further and further down burying them in debt as to never escape or rise up against it because they feel they have to many personal responsibilities to worry bout the greater good of the people.

You choose.

>>133679979
>communist
>believing in morality
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>133678625
ok

>>133678625
Communism wants to give everyone the same opportunities.

Capitalism allows you to pass on your hard work to improve the opportunities of your kids.

I know which one I would rather have.

>>133678688
>Capitalist believe this
>Thinking capitalism is about equality at all

>>133678742
Communism
>millions of your people die
Capitalism
>millions of other people die and then millions of your people die

>>133680157
Never claimed that lad, unadulterated capitalism and communism are 2 sides of the same jewish coin.

>>133680536
It literally is.
Everyone is equally free to make their own way in the market.

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>>133678625

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>>133680596
So what are you, fren?

>>133680536
I still have the soviet flag in my closet from when I was 18. Its 9 years old and getting dirty, You want it?

>>133678625
Communism is forced unity.
Capitalism is cooperative unity.
Fascism is natural unity.

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>>133678625

>>133680753
Yea try to be smart with gun pointed to your head...

>>133680786
They've already taken over reddit, twitter, and facebook.
They don't care about 4chan anymore

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Capitalism
>You get your stuff
Communism
>Other people get your stuff

Yeah, fuck off commie

>>133678625
Without exception, every "communist" I know really just boils down to a person who really, really doesn't want to be forced to work to survive.
They almost without exception think they should be able to play guitar in the forest and make art and be given a comfortable life despite their economic worthlessness.

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>>133681060
I think you think your community is a lot bigger then it is due to spending so much time in it. Go outside

>>133678625
I don't understand how anyone can think that people are equal. Its just the dumbest thought ever conceived. Does anyone truly believe that some bum living on the streets has the same value as a brain surgeon?

>>133680536
I can't believe people are this stupid.

>>133681051
mao had a gun pointed to his head?

A communist wants the state (defined as the body which has a monopoly of force) to disintegrate, as the state is seen as a body that only exists to keep a class division, so in a classless society there must be no state.

>>133680828
Just your average Socialist who enjoys a little bit of capitalism mixed in.

>>133681700
No, that'd be an anarchist.

History tells us that regimes that espouse socialism en route to communism have no intention of withering away.

>>133681773
Veronica?

>>133681832
Mm, m8 thats the textbook definiton of leninism.

>>133678625
>>133678625

communism

>all people are MADE equal

Capitalism

>All people have the ability to be better

>>133679752
>90% of people who have [capitalism] are in or are close to being in the top 1% of the world's economy.

That's simply not true. Capitalism tends to be a feature of poor countries, whereas richer countries tend to have mixed economies where the government redistributes at least some of the wealth.

>>133681773
Ooh ok so a feckless, untalented moron.

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capitalism: moral no looting from the guy who worked ahrd n made somethign cool

communism: loot unlimited blather on about inequality

>>133682210
Reading what I've just written, I realise I should've omitted the words "at least". I meant "...at least a little bit of the wealth" but I realise it could be read as falsely implying some redistribute all of the wealth.

Capitalism tends to be a feature of poor countries, whereas richer countries tend to have mixed economies where the government redistributes some of the wealth.

>>133678625

I always thought that the real difference to be what each consider to be the origin of evil, basically if Rousseau is right or wrong.

> Communism
The evil is in the system.

> Capitalism
The evil is inside everybody.

>>133682470
The redpill says both. What's important is how these evils are handled.
> Communism
Let the evil system run rampant.
> Capitalism
Direct the evil in everybody towards providing competitive goods and services for everyone else.

>>133678625
communism is a replacement of traditionalism with their own dogma and rigid structure

capitalism is corporate control of societal structures

either way you get fucked by government or corporations, so you have to keep both in check at the same time

>>133678688
/thread means /thread you fucking autists

>>133680722
It literally isn't. Capitalism does not give people an equal opportunity no matter how hard you try to meme that shit.

Some kid born to low class loser parents does not have the same opportunities as a kid born to high class successful parents.

They were not born with an equal opportunities to the market so how are they equally free to pursue the market?

>>133680963
No thank you. But you go ahead and keep that Canadian flag. Hows that healthcare system? Not very capitalist.

its dont steal vs steal

remember great depressions caused by socialism

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Communism only exists to further Jewish interests.

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>>133678625

Communism
>all people starve to death

Capitalism
>barely anybody dies of stupid shit like starving

>>133678625

not much of a debate seeing as how all people are obviously not equal

>some people ARE better than others

undisputable fact

what's left to "debate"?

>>133682069
>textbook
But how'd that work out in reality, mhm?

I challenge anyone that is unironically a communist or socialist to work as a cashier at a gas station for one month

That experience will show you why collectivism doesn't work

Retarded liberals think capitalism is too blame for people literally spending 30% of their checks on scratch off lottery tickets

>>133683362
We just die of even stupider shit like obesity and niggers

>>133684720
In America maybe :^)

>>133679425
what?

>>133684400
I've worked at a gas station for 3 months and during that job I broke my arm. Unfortunately I couldn't afford insurance at the time. Boy it would have been useful to have some sort of medical system that didn't cost me almost $3,000 to get my arm fixed.
I'm not exactly sure why this would prove to anyone that communism or socialism wouldn't work.

>>133678625
Communism
>All people are equal but some are more equal than others
Feudalism
>Some people are just better than others and some are even better than them
Theocracy
>The religious class is important, nobody else is
Capitalism
>Everyone is equally worthless until they prove their worth through their deeds.

>>133685307
That's pretty funny.
You described a meritocracy not capitalism.

>>133683084
>Some kid born to low class loser parents does not have the same opportunities as a kid born to high class successful parents.

they have the same opportunity but it'll be much harder for the lower class kid. what you choose to ignore is that the rich kids great great grandparents were lower class but started working hard to make their kids or kids kids opportunities EASIER. the poor kid has the opportunity to become a doctor but it will be DIFFICULT and RISKY and ultimately will be up to the individual to decide.

>>133678625
>tfw read countless people, actually read marx, hitler, von mises, pinochet, bookchin, lenin, engels, ayn rand and other less and more serious takes on this
>took months but i had free time

yeah
basically yeah
commies think you have this original sin of owing your success to others as a baby, and you dont have to pay up if you end up being a loser
they just focus on the successful people

doesnt matter if your business employs only yourself, you are still the exploiter, cant really argue with them, they want your stuff and they are coming for it
try to talk to them and you'll end up the same way tzar nicolas did, hacked to bits with your whole family, commies want your shit, you owe them all your success even if you never interacted with them, its not exact science so they dont have to explain it, pay up or die

and fascism is pretty much the only self defense

>>133685630
Do you know a better means to meritocracy?

>>133685307
You mean prove their worth by catering to kikes?

>>133683084
>muh parents
Your parents are part of who you are. You take responsibility for your family.

Can anyone show any successful communist country?

>>133686250
Whats your definition of opportunity and equal?
>the rich kids great great grandparents came from a capitalist country
Big assumption there. Maybe the rich kids ancestry is filled with land owners. It really doesn't matter though.
Whats your definition of opportunity and equal?
You understand that opportunity is access to something while equal opportunity is having the same resources or ability to access something correct? How does a poor kid have the same equal opportunity to becoming a doctor as a rich kid? The rich kid has much more resources and so many more opportunities to actually become a doctor.
>>133687357
>Paying for someone else's mistakes
Doesn't sound very Capitalist to me.

>>133687797
Can you show me a pure capitalist country that's successful?

>>133687797
nope

I would move to a country with free
house
food
young clean pussy
net

>>133688170
USA
singapore
poland
sweden
hong kong
look up econmoci freedom index


norway jsut has oil

capitalism and highest living stndard go hand in hand

grea depressinos caused by government controls

>>133678625
GUUUUUUH THICKER

>>133678742
Communism
>millions die
Capitalism
>faggots complain about everything
Fascism
>six million people should die
Judaism
>six gorillion died and it was literally the worst thing that ever happened goy so give us your money and free land and don't you dare ever question it or look deeper into.....
Anarcho capitalism
>billions of people will die, but at least no governments are using force

>>133689886
None, I repeat, none of those countries are purely Capitalistic.

>>133680536
Its one of those things. In an ideal "real" communism everyone is supported and provided for happy and all is good. In reality its not and everyone but the state get fucked.
Likewise in an ideal "real" capitalism everyone has the opportunity to work for to make something great of themselves. Equal opportunity as another anon put it. In reality its not and people with more dollars than fucking atoms in their body fuck it up for everyone else.

To simply go "my one is better, your one is shit" does no justice to anything. The perfect world is a careful balance of concepts of both, equal opportunity but help getting them, safety nets for those who fall but rewards for those who climb.

>>133691184
I agree. The real complexity of the argument comes when deciding how much of each you need. I come from the belief that a more socialist society might not advance as fast as more capitalistic society but the people will tend to be happier.

>>133690362
their failings come from statism

>>133678625
It boils down to a bunch of plebs thinking their opinions matter when, in reality, they are just cattle who need to feel like they are people.

>>133691897
In what way?

>>133678625
Capitalism is the way however it must provide for all of the citizenry not just some. There is no reason that in a civilized first world nation that a citizen should have to worry about food, water, shelter and safety. Until these basic needs are met no system is optimal. Then according to ability and market citizens can earn more comfort and luxury. Contributions to outside nations from individuals, including corporations need banned until basic needs of the host countries are met. Until then no nation is civilized and may as well be ashes.

>>133678688
fpbp

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Move over niggers, best system coming through.

>>133678742
bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-4gsDjAKg

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>>133692846
No you are just a capitalist pig dog. Work all day for those Jewish sheekles that you just give back to the Jews so you can work for them yet again. Also that statement is wrong since capitalism isn't about equality of opportunity rather efficiency of outcome.

>>133680536
(good) people get rich for their kids. So yeah, the kids of rich peope will have better lives or else theres no reason to get rich.

>>133693402
Oh look, it's that commie who larps as a nazi while unironically defending mao.
I saw you yesterday. Kill yourself, commienigger.

>>133693822
Here of all places you should know humans are arseholes. People get get rich so they can get more luxuries for themselves and then their kids. Even without inheritance people would still strive to earn more.
I don't know of a good solution to the problem, but I think "I can live the dream because daddy bought it for me" is bad for a healthy society.

>>133693822
Ok how does that disprove my point?

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>>133678688
There's no equality of opportunity under capitalism. Just like there's no equality of outcome under communism. They're both shit. The sooner /pol/ realizes this, the better.

>>133688024
of course we're assuming capitalism all the way down here. and of course the rich kid will have more resources making the same oppotunities easier. but the poor kid has access to the same opportunities but it will be harder and there's a higher chance of failure. however the poor kid will be pushed to take less riskier opportunities (ex: unskilled labour or trade school). doesn't mean he didn't have access to the opportunity to become a doctor.

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>>133696436
The cost of society in any form until global needs are met or society itself collapses.

>>133697548
So I was correct. They don't have equal opportunity. They each have opportunity but it is not equal.

>Capitalism is an unequally shared blessing
>Communism is an equally shared hell

>>133693439
Not an ancap.

Anarcho-primitivism or anarcho-egoism are legitimate forms of anarchy that are inherently anarchic.

Anarcho-communism is pipe dream nonsense.

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>>133684749
>heritage makes no profit
???

>>133697823
equal opportunity != equality of opportunity

there will never be "equal opportunity" as there will always be inherit differences in each person. a rich midget doesn't have equal opportunity as a poor giant to become an NBA player, but both have the equality of opportunity to try

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>>133678742
>Communism
>millions die

Well memed, porky

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>>133698202
Gee I wonder who may be behind this post

>>133700227
Go into a deeper explanation of what you mean by equality of opportunity. So what you're telling me is everyone can try anything and capitalism supports that or in fact causes that?

>>133700241
>100 million indian americans died
toplel

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Hmmmmm

>>133701931
yes everyone can try anything and capitalism equally supports every individuals' opportunities, successes, and failures

the individual has maximum freedom to manifest their full potential, or not it's up to them. since humans are imperfect there will be failures but on the individual level. compare that to communism where that same power is put into a single point of failure/corruption, the State.

>>133703455
to clarify, support doesn't mean "subsidize" but "provide the framework that allows opportunity to exist"

>>133680045
Start a gang