BREAKING: Russian “Spy” Rinat Akhmetshin - WORKS WITH DEMOCRATIC

>>133668914
Source?

>>133669015
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/breaking-russian-american-rinat-akhmetshin-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting-works-democratic-fusion-gps/

>>133668914
If hes a spy looking out for russian interests, of course he would coddle both sides during the campaign. Remember they likely thought Hillary was going to win back then

It's interesting, but you can't extrapolate this as somehow him being employed and more loyal to DNC than to his country

Look into it further

drip drip

>>133668914
IMAGINE

>>133669232
He wasn't a spy. The media is making him out to be a spy. He's a DNC operative, and was part of the attempt to frame Trump and allow the FISA warrants to go through.

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>>133669678
If he was a spy, why was he working for the State Department and listing himself as a translator for Secretary of State level projects on linkedin?

All valid questions.

>>133668914
He doesn't work with them, he hired them.

>>133669232
>his country
He has US citizenship

Dems were sloppy with this Don Jr screwjob. Plus they have the hubris getting the details to the NYT for little damage to Trump. Poor Profit Risk ratio They'll get burned on this one.

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>>133669133
Cap from newsweek article linked by TGP

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>the democrats planted a russian to get dirt and never used it during the campaign

>>133670910
Because they never found anything.

This shit only came to the surface because they got desperate when Hilldawgg shat the bucket.

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Can we stop with this bullshit? None of this is going anywhere, we see these threads 30 times a day. SAGE

>>133668914
>Rinat Akhmetshin

This is a Turkic name. Why only Arabic Russians and Jewish Russians support Trump?

>>133668914
Hey peeps, how do you upvote/downvote posts and threads?

Thanx

>>133670910
They started getting stuff out there in about November 2016 just before the election. For example the Heat Street leak. I don't think it was their original purpose.

Justice bump.

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>>133674122
Low quality bait

Why is FusionGPS always everywhere? Who payed them for the botched Trump file?

"Grassley also alleged that Fusion GPS was working with Rinat Akhmetshin, ...'” Grassley wrote the Justice Department: “Fusion GPS is the company behind the creation of the unsubstantiated dossier alleging a conspiracy between President Trump and Russia."

Do some research into the female Russian Jewish lawyer. She HATES Putin. Her husband was involved in some major corruption in Russia (and Clinton just happened to be affiliated with the mess and the banks as usual). her husband was fired by the Putin government and branded a criminal. She is working AGAINST Putin. So if Don Jr. met with her it was with a Putin HATER. It will all come out.

>>133678836
First it was a Jeb PAC then after trump got nominated, a Hillary PAC took over funding.

>>133679309
She's not even married dude. If you're going to make shit up, try harder.

Crooked Hillary is going down

>>133679992
>old bitch who is a hermit in the woods is going down
LOL. who fucking cares?

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>>133668914
>WORKS WITH

>>133679495
The real shit they produced was in June 2016. By then it was probably the alleged HIllary Pac. Jeb was long gone.

>>133668914
The republicans hired fusion gps before the democrats did

>>133681225
Sure but I don't understand why Republicans (even Never Trumpers) would be setting up the Trump Junior HOneypot scheme.

>>133682142
Because they didn't want trump to win the primaries

>>133682404
How could they have used it in that short timeframe? And the fact is FusionGPS did not use it publically back then.

This guy also visited the WH on Jan 9th,2016.
http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/73080195/Rinat-Akhmetshin

>>133682908
Ah damn that really fucking stinks. Lol. The So-called Kremlin spy was hanging out in OBama's WH. What a joke.

>>133668914
Trump Jr's actions were still illegal though :^)

>https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

>(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

>(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

What qualifies as solicitation under the act?

>A communication that provides instructions on how or where to send contributions or donations

Now lets look at Trump Jr's email chain:

>offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary

>Trump Jr: Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law (Jared Kushner) and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

Trump Jr sent an email (a communication) to provide instructions on when and where to meet (providing instructions on how and where to deliver a contribution) for foreign nationals to donate "Political Opposition Research" (a thing of value) to "the Trump campaign"

Trump Jr also forwarded the whole email chain to Kushner and Manafort prior to the meeting, which they MUST have read to discover the time and place of the meeting, and which they attended.

>B-but "muh information" isn't a thing of value!!!

The Federal Election Committee already ruled (http://saos.fec.gov/aodocs/2007-22.pdf) in an advisory opinion that the provision even of "printed materials" of "nominal value" by foreign nationals would violate the act, and (>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf) that the provision of information alone can be an in-kind contribution.

>>133683471
>Trump Jr's actions were still illegal though
Then why hasn't he been arrested? If it's so clear cut?

>>133682908

http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/73080195/Rinat-Akhmetshin#Details%20of%20Visit&s=3bvMZx

"visited" for 13 hours
are the east wing tours really 13 hours long?

>>133668914

WHY DO THEY NOT LEARN. HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TWICE IN TWO WEEKS. WHY.

>>133683728
It says right there at the bottom that 11:59pm is the default end time so it may give incorrectly long estimates.

>>133683620
>Why hasn't Trump Jr. been arrested while his father has the power of the pardon?
Gee I wonder. Just because charges have not been filed yet does not mean they will not be at some later date.

>>133683821
>Just because charges have not been filed yet does not mean they will not be at some later date.
>any day now, says increasingly nervous man
It's going to be a long 7.5 years for you, friend.

>>133683728
Just... can you imagine if CNN and the MSM don't cover this...

>>133683941
It is self evident to any rational observer that Mueller's play has to be to try and get Trump removed from office FIRST, before filling charges against any members of the Trump administration since it is obvious that Trump would have no compunction with using the power of the pardon to make any prosecutions of Trump administration members impossible.

None of that strategic chess, however, has any bearing on whether Trump Jr violated campaign finance laws, which he plainly did on a simple reading of the relevant law and relevant FEC advisory opinions.

>>133684378
>has any bearing on whether Trump Jr violated campaign finance laws, which he plainly did on a simple reading of the relevant law and relevant FEC advisory opinions
Yeah, no. To declare information as "a thing of value" would require a court proceeding agreeing that it is. This won't happen because of the door it opens. If that were the case, the wide array of meetings by politicians and their aides with foreign nationals would suddenly become possible criminal violations. I'm sure your non-existent law degree from Canada's Dogsuck U might lead you to different conclusions though.

>>133684378
Have an upvote leaf redditor

>>133671776
It's nice to talk about it, but it's slow to do anything even though nothing will ever come of it, just like every other claim.

>>133684378
Leaf, how is information a donation? Also, what is wrong with I crimnating shit on a potential president? How is that bad?
Also, what about the 20M Hillary took from the Saudis and who knows what from Ukraine

>>133683471
>citing campaign finance laws
No one has accused DTJ of paying for or accepting any money.
Try harder

>>133683471

They still need to prove the Trump team got something from them and gave something back in return. Junior and the rest may have acted unethically but illegally will be harder to make stick.

I guess we'll know if Trump ever makes a press to fire Mueller.

The same deep state that illegally and poorly manufactured this narrative also has done the same to countless legitimate foreign governments. They have butchered 2 million in the middle east with 0 gain to anyone not in their corrupt mafia. I dont even care. I hope Trump and Russia team up to slaughter liberals, most of whom are only happy to gloat about the planned destruction of western society , and the planned replacement of whites in western countries. I hope Putin rapes their children.

>>133670047
Veddy veddy niiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
Intelligence so sexy

>>133683728
I guess the only thing left is finding a video of Rinat and OBama playing some one-on-one hoops?

>>133684705
>http://saos.fec.gov/aodocs/2007-22.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 2007-22

>Here, you propose accepting without charge, from Canadian third party and independent candidates, certain printed materials used in previous Canadian campaigns. The materials would include flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material. You plan to use these items to assist you in your own campaign. Although the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain, they have some value. The provision of these items without charge would relieve your campaign of the expense that it would otherwise incur to obtain such materials. Thus, the provision of such items without charge would constitute a contribution and, as such, would be prohibited, particularly in light of the broad scope of the prohibition on contributions from foreign nationals.

>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 1990-12

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee.

These two advisory opinions from the FEC show clearly that provision of polling information to a campaign that the campaign would normally have to pay to have generated or assembled would be considered an in-kind contribution to a political campaign. Political opposition research, like polling, is a service that campaign pay for and thus the provision of political opposition research by foreign nationals to the Trump campaign was clearly prohibited under campaign finance laws.

>>133683471
But let me guess... intent was required to prosecute Clinton for destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, and selling state secrets?

Fuck off, Matlock.

>>133685210
See >>133685903

The Federal Election Commission has concluded in multiple advisory opinions that specialized information like polling information and even something as simple as a few dollars in paper pamphlets can be considered in-kind donations to a campaign and therefore "a thing of value" for the purposes of the act.

>>133680527
I do

The Goldstone guy who sent Don Jr. the carefully worded but full of lies email had a visit to the Obama White House the week before. Funny that. The exact wording that would qualify for a wiretap . A cleverly set up entrapment by Lynch, Obama and cabal. A junior first year journalist student could see this as a scam a mile away. Our media-too stupid? Too mind controlled? Too dishonest? Too blackmailed? Who is controlling them? CIA? Deep State?

>>133686050
So show me the document the russian lawyer gave the trump campaign and where the campaign used them, otherwise your opinions are useless in this case

>>133685908
Where did I mount a defense of Hillary Clinton? If she did anything illegal then lock her up. The only people who see advocating the rule of law as a partisan issue are those who see the rule of law as an enemy to their political interests.

>>133686128

Unfortunately for you, the act makes solicitation as illegal as receipt, and defines solicitation very specifically to be:

>A communication that provides a method of making a contribution or donation

and

>A communication that provides instructions on how or where to send contributions or donations

Arranging a specific in person meeting with this Russian lawyer to receive the documents and political opposition research you believe she has clearly meets this threshold since Trump Jr provided the time and location for the meeting.

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>>133683250
This is why he hurried up suddenly and sent the Russians home at Christmas time:
>someone must have caught on or started to catch on to their hoaxes.

>>133668914
Pol so desperate to spin the narrative holy shit it must feel awful to discover trump is 100X more corrupted than Hillary and bigger kike puppet than any president in history. This is the best time line

>>133686384
You are citing campaign FINANCE statutes. There hasn't been an accusation that any money changed hands. You are grasping at straws here

The Russian Jewish Putin HATING lawyer lobbyist who met with Don Jr. was married to Alexander Mitusoy. She is also said to have been enlisted by Comey as an asset to spy and had an affair with a NYT reporter. More here:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2335.htm

>>133686675
Archived that satire/fake news site for you.

>http://whatdoesitmean com/index2335.htm
https://archive.is/XgUCd

>>133685903
Firstly:
>the executive is in charge of interpreting the law
No sweetie, that's literally the job of the courts.

Secondly:
>certain printed materials used in previous Canadian campaigns. The materials would include flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material.
This isn't information, these are literally materials.

Thirdly:
>Hochberg opinion
Here we have poll information bought and paid for by one person for one purpose being counted as a contribution as it is now being re-purposed. Nowhere does is state that first hand knowledge of an event or activity is counted as a contribution. If I witness a potential candidate punch a baby and then inform an opposing politician, have I made a contribution or have I exercised free speech?

Stop trying to preach about laws you don't understand, shill.

>>133686559

You seem to have reading comprehension issues so I'll try and simply this for you:

>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 1990-12

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee.

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you [...] such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution

An "in-kind contribution" is specifically defined in campaign finance law as constituting a "thing of value" for the purposes of the section on campaign contributions by foreign nationals.

>>133686384

It's pretty clear that the phrase "contribution or donation" refers to money.

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really taps my wires

I find the Sorsha Faal articles have tidbits of good info. to follow up on. American media is so shallow but Sorsha drops a few breadcrumbs that have been astonishingly correct and insightful. NEVER shoot the messenger until you check out the message for yourself.

>>133686812
Stop hiding behind the treehugger flag, Canacuck.

>>133668914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-8dA55sLEI

>>133686815
>>133686812
>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf


>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you [...] such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign

It's pretty clear in black letter that specialized information qualifies as an "in-kind contribution" to a campaign since the FEC concluded exactly that it does.

>>133686812
This wasn't a poll result. This opinion is completely fucking irrelevant.

>>133686812

A thing of value like a bottle of wine, or a fancy dinner, or box seats at a big game.

Not information. Jesus, you're desperate.

>>133686984
This information has nothing to do with poll results making this opinion worthless in the current case.

>>133686984
It's pretty clear you have fuckall understanding of American law, as you're a Canadian.

>>133686992
>>133687032
>>133687082

>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you [...], such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign

Feel free to at least TRY and logically distinguish poll information from political opposition research. Both are specialized types of information campaigns usually pay to have generated for them, both are information, and both would logically therefore qualify as an in-kind contribution to a campaign.

>>133687103
Get back to me when you actually have some logical arguments to make or supporting evidence to cite.

>>133687215
>Apples=Oranges goys

Your stupidity is mind numbing

>>133687215
>both would logically therefore qualify as an in-kind contribution to a campaign.
>t. canadian with zero legal expertise

>>133685903
Yes retard. Again things of quantifiable value. Like the labor gone into polling. If they came in with a completed TV ad for the Trump campaign to run, that would be an issue since it is of quantifiable value. If nothing was exchanged there is nothing like that. If information alone was exchanged it is nothing. Even an attempt to prosecute this part of the law for something like that would run up against the 1st amendment. I assume you are a smelly foreigner with a piss poor understanding of the law but have seen others make an attempt.

>>133687251
>Get back to me when you actually have some logical arguments to make or supporting evidence to cite.
Sure, see: >>133686788.

Furthermore, find me the precedent to declares What Trump Jr. did was illegal. And no, opinions from the executive branch don't count. Find me the court case that lays this precedence down.

>>133686384
Your argument only holds water if the word "contributions" legally includes information. RAW, it seems to imply it is specifically talking about monetary contributions and donations, not dirt.

>>133683471
don jr is not a foreign national those laws dont apply to him
on jr did not accept money from them, he broke no laws

>>133669914

>If he was a spy, why was he working for the State Department and listing himself as a translator for Secretary of State level projects on linkedin?

Because this is real life and not a James Bond movie. Why wouldn't a spy be working for the State Department or working as a translator? The State Department is a HUMINT goldmine because Americans don't know how to fucking shut up about classified information.

>>133686788
>This isn't information, these are literally materials.

>http://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-american-lobbyist-lawyer-brought-dnc-related-documents-to-trump-jr-meeting

>Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee.

Those were also materials.

> poll information bought and paid for by one person for one purpose being counted as a contribution as it is now being re-purposed. Nowhere does is state that first hand knowledge of an event or activity is counted as a contribution.

Unfortunately, the email chain makes clear that Veselnitskaya was not the source of the "political opposition research" and in fact the email chain makes clear it was given to her by other persons. It thus was not her first hand knowledge but rather the product of the labour of other foreign nationals in gathering and compiling it. SOMEONE paid for them to be gathered, and Veselnitskaya was just delivering them to Trump Jr and thus the parallel with the polling information is exact.

>>133686788
>>133688159
>Firstly:
>>the executive is in charge of interpreting the law
>No sweetie, that's literally the job of the courts.

As you well know, this exact issue has never been before the courts and so Federal Election Commission advisory ruling are the best resource available for assessing the issues at hand, since campaigns literally solicit advisory opinions from the FEC for that exact purpose.

He's probably a double agent.

>>133668914
Fusion GPS isn't democratic.
The founder wrote the book exposing:
>s "street money" passed around to ministers and others in the black community in exchange for Democratic endorsements

Maybe fusion are patriots defending the country from Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics:
>Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

>>133688159
Holy fuck, you're actually a fucking idiot.

>information becomes a material if it's printed

It's going to be a long 7.5 years, buckle up buckeroo.

>>133688450
>>information becomes a material if it's printed

Are you quite serious? Literally what is a brochure then? It's literally printed information and was specifically deemed to be prohibited by that FEC advisory opinion.

>>133688609
Tell me, when someone pays to print a flyer that says "Vote for (x)" are they paying for the flyers or for the information to "vote for (x)?"

The information was not deemed what was bought it in your first example, materials were.

>>133688835
Information in printed form is literally what a brochure IS, and besides that, the other advisory ruling that ruled that poll result information was an in-kind contribution totally vitiates this point anyway, since information itself can be an in-kind contribution.

>>133670910
Literally they set up the meeting as pretext to get a fisa warrant. Not to get dirt. Fucking hell its not that hard to follow is it?

>>133685715
He should be firing Mueller. The whole thing is based on bullshit based on what Comey said, where it's been pretty much proven Comey only did it to get back at Trump. Mueller is a fucking political hitman at this point, his only job is to find dirt or make it up to get Trump out of office.

>>133688997
>other advisory ruling that ruled that poll result information was an in-kind contribution totally vitiates this point anyway, since information itself can be an in-kind contribution.
Except there's been nothing to state that compromising information is viewed the same. Get used to being wrong.

>>133689096
On what logical basis can you distinguish poll result information from political opposition research? Both are information generation services that campaigns typically pay for which generate information useful to those campaigns.

>>133688997
>Information in printed form is literally what a brochure IS
Except that opinion wasn't about them buying a brochure, it was literally about them buying materials. The only way a flyer would be considered information(as in the second opinion) in this way would be if it was the only flyer that held some sort of proprietary information. What was printed on the flyers we're immaterial, the fact that they were getting flyers period was the point.

>>133689248
>On what logical basis
One is called poll result information. The other is called political opposition research. Therefore they are 2 different things. Your conflation of the 2 is comical.

If the dirt on hillary is fake, then this was a setup
if the dirt on hillary is real, she's going to jail

I just don't see how I can lose

>>133683471

He had to leave the meeting with something. It's not illegal to talk to someone. He left with nothing and they paid for nothing, so no he did nothing illegal

>>133689248
On the fact that that's how interpretation on laws re: speech work in my country. They have to be incredibly strict and specific, they cannot be broad and just applied to situations that might be similar.

Obama sent her there. Don Jr. was smart to release his entire email chain, because this was the pretext for the FISA warrants.

/thread

>>133684378
>call congressmen
>scream "Clinton foundation buys children for pedo!" Into the phone
>you argue the congressman has violated campaign finance law

Lmao you're a retard my dude.

>>133689416
It wasn't about them buying materials, it was about them receiving "printed material" for free. Brochures are printed materials, the printouts of the Political Opposition Research are also "printed materials" Note that the opinion literally says "and other printed material" in it.

>>133689483
>>133689693

Do you understand how the common law legal system works? That opinions and rulings are typically based on precedents or parallel events? On what basis can you argue that the FEC would not come to the exact same conclusion about political opposition research information that they did about polling result information?

>>133685145
25-30 mil from victor.

Who knows how much from the imf

Frfy

>>133690019
>Do you understand how the common law legal system works?
FEC regulations have nothing to do with common law. Are you retarded?

>>133689963
>Screaming something into the phone is the same thing as being promised "official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary" and "Political Opposition Research", a service campaigns regularly pay for.
Try harder please.

>>133690164
>screaming baseless information into the phone isn't the same as receiving baseless information in a meeting

Confirmed retard.

>>133690098
Since the FEC in their advisory opinions actually refers to earlier court cases and advisory opinions and uses them as precedent in reaching its conclusions, actually yes the FEC does use a common law approach to deriving its conclusions.

>>133668914
Are Democrats fucked even if the media won't focus their reporting this stuff?

>>133690019
Little EVERY thing in that first opinion was some type of material. Information does not become material merely because it's written down.

Yes, do you? Because if you did, you'd realize that the FEC is not part of the common law legal system. It is part of the executive branch. This will come to nothing because he didn't break the law, get over it.

>>133690285
>FEC does use a common law approach to deriving its conclusions.
Which has fuckall to do with courts, THAT ACTUALLY INTERPRET LAW.

>>133690259
They agreed to receive "official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary" from foreign nationals before they could have made any determination of whether it was baseless or not, and since the campaign finance laws make solicitation just as illegal as receipt, the quality of the Political Opposition Research they agreed to receive is not relevant.

>>133690285
This case isn't anything like the precedent you are ascribing it to. Therefore we can assume, worst case scenario, there is hearing in which the FEC says nothing illegal happened, based off the laguage of the regulations.

>>133690400
You do realize that campaigns regularly contact the FEC to obtain advisory rulings prior to doing things to make sure they are legal, yes? And that campaigns treat those advisory rulings as binding, yes? In the absence of a specific issue being fought out in the courts, the FEC AOs are the best resource available to determine the legality of conduct under campaign finance laws.

>>133690299
Yes.

The largest political scandal in the history of the world is unwravelling before our eyes.

The democrats were using politically weaponized elements of the IRS and various intelligence agencies to silence opposition and solicit monetary donations from foreign governments.

This leaf is unironically talking about violations of campaign finance law while defending the people that used international foundations to launder money from foreign governments, intended for Haitian hurricane relief, directly to political campaigns.

>>133690429
They didn't receive anything you mongoloid. They got an earful about the magnitsky act. Holy fuck you blatant shill

>>133690457
>This case isn't anything like the precedent you are ascribing it to.

Based on what? The parallel is exact. A person obtained poll result information and was expressly forbidden from sharing that poll result information with a campaign without it being considered an in-kind contribution because the campaign did not pay to generate the poll result information from which it would benefit.

>>133690554
>In the absence of a specific issue being fought out in the courts
Which this would have to be before it's actually determined as illegal. It's almost as if there's such a thing a due process.

>>133690695
Since this isn't poll result information, which we have established in prior posts, then there is no precedent. You are grasping at straws here and it's getting pathetic

>>133690680
First of all, since the campaign finance act makes solicitation just as illegal as receipt, it doesn't matter what they received, it matters what they solicited.

Secondly:

>http://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-american-lobbyist-lawyer-brought-dnc-related-documents-to-trump-jr-meeting

>Rinat Akhmetshin, the Russian-American lobbyist who confirmed Friday that he attended last year’s meeting between Trump associates and a Kremlin-connected lawyer, said that the attorney brought with her a folder of information related to the DNC. According to the Associated Press, “Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.” Akhmetshin recalled to the AP the lawyer saying: “This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money.”

>>133690695
>The parallel is exact.
Which is irrelevant as this finding this illegal would arguably infringe upon 1st Amendment rights. Nothing will come of this, get new talking points.

>>133690814
He didn't solicit either you twat

>>133683471
You are fake news.

>>133690814
Too bad the offer to set up the meeting was made by Goldstone meaning DTJ never solicited anything.

>>133690787
>Since this isn't poll result information
The idea that the FEC would not make the exact same ruling under the same facts with only the type of specialized information being collected differing is ridiculous and inherently specious since the FEC themselves regularly draw on earlier precedents with differing specific facts to come to conclusions.

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>Veselnitskaya brought documents showing 'flow of illicit funds to Dems'...

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314aca65797762a/Russian-American-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting

OK,where are the documents and why would DTJ keep them a secret?

>>133691029
I disagree. What are going to do now?

>>133691075
>OK,where are the documents and why would DTJ keep them a secret?
Perhaps because his receipt of them was blatantly illegal?

>>133691029
>it would be ridiculous for an organization that exists within a country with the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights to make distinctions when it comes to information and speech

>>133691129
But it's not.

>>133691129
Perhap the documents were garbage

I can speculate as well

>>133691129
>Perhaps because his receipt of them was blatantly illegal?
You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, nothing is going to happen.

>>133688159
Was any information of value actually given? Have courts applied a nominal or subjective value assessment to a lie or a misrepresentation of intent? Really firing my synapses right now, matlock.

>>133691291
I pretty sure this obama-leaf. There is a similarity in how he types

Wasn't this whole thing about Russia being behind Trump supposed to be about uncovering the 'hacking'? How is this related to or proves the hacking at all?

It's like the MSM have built their house of cards and forgotten about building the entire bottom layer.

>>133690932
>>133691005

>Trump Jr: How about 3 at our offices? Thanks Rob appreciate you helping set it up.

>Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law [Jared Kushner] and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

How does the act define solicitation?
>A communication that provides a method of making a contribution or donation
>A communication that provides instructions on how or where to send contributions or donations

Communicating an exact time and place for an in person meeting to receive the political opposition research plainly qualifies under the act.

>>133691320
Since the campaign finance law makes solicitation just as illegal as receipt, the quality of the opposition research is not germane to the issue.

>>133691475
>plainly qualifies under the act.
Except it doesn't?

>>133690814
Dude on a side note do you not see how retarded this whole thing looks?

They legit say "kremlin connected lawyer" meanwhile the last time she did any work for the Russian government was 2002. Yet she's currently working on lobbying campaigns with dnc and was allowed into the country directly by Loretta lynch. How dense are you?

>>133691475
Idiot. DTJ was solicited by Goldstone.

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>>133689416
Key word here: proprietary. FusionGPS/DNC hit squad provided no proprietary information of any value and did not act in good faith. What would be the argument if they had offered factual evidence of malfeasance or criminal conduct on behalf of the Clinton camp? Would they be expected to report a nominal contribution to their campaign?

Wew lad. I bet the DNC would be stoked to open that can of worms into election regulation legal precedence. Go home m8, you're fucking drunk.

>>133686463
if u unironically believe any of that, please kys

>>133691554
>Being reduced to "nuh-uh!"
LOL

>>133691640
Sorry, the act is very specific that giving a time and place for an in person meeting to receive the contribution qualifies as solicitation for the purposes of this act, your colloquial definition is not relevant since the term is specifically defined in the act.

>>133668914
Didn't we reveal all of this last night? or was it this morning?

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>>133689600
Actually in Canada it can be illegal to talk to someone. Thank God we don't live there, huh anon?

>>133691984
>being reduced to "uh huh"
That's been your entire schtick. When people who live under these laws, who understand them, point out to you that you're wrong you literally just say "but no."

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>>133690575
(((unironically)))

>>133691984
When someone solicits you, you either say yes or no their solicitation. You are being intentionally obtuse. This conversation is over

>>133691984
It literally doesn't though. Services provided for free are not a "thing of value" or a "contribution" or a "donation". You're really reaching here, and a lot of the case law would seem to disagree with you. These are campaign FINANCE laws, not necessarily laws concerning transfer of information in exchange for nothing (provided for free).

>>133691075
Not a secret anymore, lad

>>133692359
>http://saos.fec.gov/aodocs/2007-22.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 2007-22

>Here, you propose accepting without charge, from Canadian third party and independent candidates, certain printed materials used in previous Canadian campaigns. The materials would include flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material. You plan to use these items to assist you in your own campaign. Although the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain, they have some value. The provision of these items without charge would relieve your campaign of the expense that it would otherwise incur to obtain such materials. Thus, the provision of such items without charge would constitute a contribution and, as such, would be prohibited, particularly in light of the broad scope of the prohibition on contributions from foreign nationals.

>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 1990-12

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee.

These two advisory opinions from the FEC show clearly that provision of polling information to a campaign that the campaign would normally have to pay to have generated or assembled would be considered an in-kind contribution to a political campaign. Political opposition research, like polling, is a service that campaign pay for and thus the provision of political opposition research by foreign nationals to the Trump campaign was clearly prohibited under campaign finance laws.

>>133670139
Considering who was running the DNC, DWSchultz, is it any surprise how incompetent this was? lulz

>>133692426
>let me double down even though I've been thoroughly BTFO this thread

>>133692426
>If I keep bringing up irrelevant things and say they're relevant, that will sure get junior arrested.

Again, the first opinion has fuckall to with information. No one was paying for the information of "vote," they were paying for literal material.

The second opinion was proprietary information from a service to a client.

>>133682908
bump

>>133692578
Why should I write a new reply to you just repeating arguments that have already been debunked?

The linked FEC AOs already establish that specialized information can be a "thing of value" so, if you want to argue, find a novel argument to make and you'll get novel responses.

>>133692718
>The second opinion was proprietary information from a service to a client.
Like political opposition research? A type of service that campaigns regularly employ?

>>133684705
bump

>>133692795
>The linked FEC AOs already establish things that I have interpreted incorrectly, why would I stop doing that?
Again, your piss poor understanding of American jurisprudence is why you keep getting blown out.

>>133685715
>Junior and the rest may have acted unethically
Compared to Clinton? What is unethical?

>>133692955
>Again, your piss poor understanding of American jurisprudence is why you keep getting blown out.
This is not an argument, its a totally unsupported assertion.

>>133692862
Illegal activity would likely not be included in proprietary information.

>>133692426
But there is specificity there. They know what they are receiving (a very specific piece of information, poll data X conducted by Y on date Z about Q), and they proceeded anyway. No one knows what the information even was. Don Jr. didn't know what it was either. Had he taken the meeting, learned exactly what the information was about, and declined to accept it, there would be no crime committed. The fact is they had no idea what it was and indeed no one at all except the lawyer really knows what the information even was. The lack of specificity should weaken a criminal case against DTJ, not strengthen it. It's still a real fucking stretch unless there's more evidence somewhere.

>>133680527
I care. I want to see her in handcuffs & jail bars in front of her putrid face.

>>133683471
Leafs are so dumb. The value they ascribed to the contributions were the printed value of materials. Paid the Russian lawyer offer or provide any written materials? NO. Also, stupid leafs not understanding the legal weight of a committees advisory opinion. About as legally controlling as used toilet paper

>>133693128
The fact that he hasn't been arrested, that the only people screaming "ILLEGAL" have been idealogues is all the argument I need.

>>133685903
Foreign nationals are allowed to volunteer their time and resources to a campaign. Try again

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>>133691029
Here is the thing though.

I dont care. Trump can't be impeached for something has son did and this doesn't invalidate anything he stands for as a politician.

She... Lost. And he... Won....

>>133686984
No, they volunteered the information. The Clinton camp had foreign nationals volunteering their time and information. Not the same. Try again.

>>133688159
>delivering them to Trump Jr and thus the parallel with the polling information is exact.

The "dirt on Hillary Clinton" was given no time of delivery and the legalese of the emails only proves that she was meeting with Trump Jr to discuss the possibility of the release of said information.

Rly makes you think

>>133685903
Knowledge of corruption is not equal to polling information compiled by large scale demographic research. Also, it's an advisory opinion which has zero egal authority. Further, no information was actually obtained. You guys are really getting desperate

>>133692862
https://fec-prod-eregs.app.cloud.gov/regulations/100-74/2017-annual-100#100-74
>§ 100.74 Uncompensated services by volunteers.
>The value of services provided without compensation by any individual who volunteers on behalf of a candidate or political committee is not a contribution.

(1/2)

>>133693763
https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/
>Generally, an individual (including a foreign national) may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone. The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to several situations involving volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.
>In AO 2014-20 (Make Your Laws PAC), the Commission concluded that a political action committee could accept assistance from a foreign national in developing intellectual property for the PAC, such as trademarks, graphics, and website design because the services accepted by the PAC would fall under the volunteer exemption. Similarly, in AO 2004-26 (Weller), the Commission held that a foreign national could attend, speak at campaign events for a federal candidate, and solicit contributions to the campaign. However, the Commission cautioned that the foreign national could not manage or participate in any of the campaign committee’s decision-making processes. See also AOs 2007-22 (Hurysz) and 1987-25 (Otaola).
>In MUR 5987, the Commission examined a situation in which a foreign national provided an uncompensated musical concert performance as a volunteer for a federal candidate’s campaign as part of a fundraising event. The candidate’s campaign had paid all of the costs of hosting the concert, including the rental of the venue and equipment and providing security. The performer had merely provided his uncompensated volunteer services to the campaign and had not participated in any of the campaign’s decision-making. Based on these facts, the Commission found no reason to believe that the foreign national or the federal candidate’s committee had violated the Act’s foreign national prohibition.

>>133683471
Nice copypasta there. You have put this in every thread since this story first broke.

This was entrapment & there is a reason that cops cannot bust people for drugs in a sting op until money has exchanged hands.

Also, >>133670073

>>133692795
Hey speaking of the FEC

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/07/14/fec-shoots-down-democrats-plan-to-target-conservative-media/amp/

>>133693763
>>133693789
>http://saos.fec.gov/aodocs/2007-22.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 2007-22

>Here, you propose accepting without charge, from Canadian third party and independent candidates, certain printed materials used in previous Canadian campaigns. The materials would include flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material. You plan to use these items to assist you in your own campaign. Although the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain, they have some value. The provision of these items without charge would relieve your campaign of the expense that it would otherwise incur to obtain such materials. Thus, the provision of such items without charge would constitute a contribution and, as such, would be prohibited, particularly in light of the broad scope of the prohibition on contributions from foreign nationals.

>https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/72021.pdf

>FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION ADVISORY OPINION 1990-12

>If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee.

These two advisory opinions from the FEC show clearly that provision of polling information to a campaign that the campaign would normally have to pay to have generated or assembled would be considered an in-kind contribution to a political campaign. Political opposition research, like polling, is a service that campaign pay for and thus the provision of political opposition research by foreign nationals to the Trump campaign was clearly prohibited under campaign finance laws.

>>133688325
Is this the same FEC that has done nothing to address real campaign violations?

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>>133683728
Yeah just like a Bob Creamer guy, its was just a pop in... quick friendly chat about Golf, and Grandkids...

>>133686128

I think they going to say that Trump got slid the guccifer 2.0 docs, they cant be all that great at 4d chess. They Hacked the Phones/Emails of the Trump Campaign, used the info to set a trap so they can obtain a Fisa warrant too make it all legal. The drip, drip, drip...

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/pelosi/

I hope the Trump team was smart enough to know they where walking it to a honeypot in the first place, and Bugged the Room.
> MFW Trumps got a Tape of them walking out of the meeting saying "Fucking Russians setting us up Bro," then sticks the folder in the shredder

>>133693910
Seems like you just got BTFO again, so you double down again. Sad. Many such cases

>>133693763
>>133693789
>>133693910
See
>>133693910

And realize that since the Russian lawyer at the meeting did not generate the Political Opposition Research she had with her, she could not provide it to the Trump campaign by volunteering her personal services.

Furthermore, the FEC AO on polling data specifically excludes specialized information the generation of which campaigns normally have to pay for from that exemption.

>>133693966
The Russian lawyer could not provide Political Opposition Research she did not conduct herself to the Trump campaign by volunteering her personal services. It was material she received by others and thus is exactly like the poll information dealt with in the above AO and not covered by the volunteering exemption.

>>133688998
>Literally they set up the meeting as pretext to get a fisa warrant.

BINGO

>>133693990
What you just said is completely irrelevant to the opinions posted.
Goldstone solicited DTJ.
The lawyer volunteered to help the campiagn.
You've lost. Again

Two "Russian Spies" that met with Trump Jr. and both work for the same DNC group. Hmm, really makes me think.

>>133693990
Are you just going to repeat the same points and get BTFO ad infinitum until the thread expires or are you going to save what's left of your dignity and leave?

>>133687215
>Feel free to at least TRY and logically distinguish poll information from political opposition research.

Here's one: The FEC has singled out polling results as in-kind contributions and developed special rules for how they are to be valued and reported. See:

https://fec-prod-eregs.app.cloud.gov/regulations/106-4/2017-annual-106#106-4

The FEC's regs have set up no such provisions pertaining to information that could embarrass your opposition.

That's a legally-demonstrable substantive difference between the two

>>133690019 <--- BIG FAIL

It sure does look like Goldstone setup Jr.
but look at him, he doesn't look like the kind of guy that would crack

>>133686384
You are literally and idiot

>>133694117
>repeating my wholly unsupported assertions without making any logical arguments or citing any evidence makes them true
Nope.

>>133693910
1. My point was you don't have enough evidence to show a convincing picture of a crime occurring.
2. Attempting to receive a physical, material contribution of supplies to use in a campaign is not the same as information, especially information not provided.
3. Again, analyzed polling data does have some monetary value if you can show the trail of evidence about who was polled, that it occurred, what was done with the data, that that analysis was done and performed by X, you can assess some value on that labor. Information no one knows anything about and that DTJ could not reasonably be interpreted as knowingly attempting to receive that he knew to be valuable is not even close to the same thing from an evidentiary standpoint. Good luck proving this in court.

>>133694365
Are you looking the mirror right now?

>>133694201
>>133694364
see
>>133694365

>>133686984
>thinks advisory opinions are black letter law
Wew a first year law student who hasn't paid attention in class. Specialized information in this sense comes from something which tangible and an articulable amount of money was spent to produce. Whistleblower information is not gleamed from a large scale research operation. Also, no contribution was ever made. Further, it is an advisory opinion. Even liberal prosecutors have said that such information alone is not a contribution

"But as a legal matter, "that's stretching it," said Craig Donsanto, who spent more than 40 years working on election-law cases at the Justice Department before he retired. "Where is the contribution?"

Another national security law expert agreed but asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
roviding secrets to a foreign government is espionage, and representing one for money without registering might violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act, he said. But accepting information from a foreign government that might be helpful to your campaign is not illegal, he added."!

>>133690575
BINGO

>>133694408
>3. Again, analyzed polling data does have some monetary value if you can show the trail of evidence about who was polled, that it occurred, what was done with the data, that that analysis was done and performed by X, you can assess some value on that labor. Information no one knows anything about and that DTJ could not reasonably be interpreted as knowingly attempting to receive that he knew to be valuable is not even close to the same thing from an evidentiary standpoint. Good luck proving this in court.

Unfortunately since solicitation is just as illegal as receipt, it must necessarily follow that the quality of the political opposition research being offered to Trump Jr is not relevant, since you could not know its quality prior to soliciting it.

>>133693910
Really? It looks like the democrats are about to be blown out of the water and you're digging through election law to show that the son, e.g. the guy who will undoubtably by pardoned, can be implicated on a technicality.

>>133694560
The emails prove it was Goldstone who solicited DTJ. Why do you keep double down on this when it has been BTFO multiple times now?

>>133694482
>Specialized information in this sense comes from something which tangible and an articulable amount of money was spent to produce.
You mean like political opposition research, which is a service regularly paid for?

>>133694642
>which is a service regularly paid for?
is completely irrelevant to the opinion posted

>>133690814
>First of all, since the campaign finance act makes solicitation just as illegal as receipt

Citation needed. This will backfire so bad if implemented to the letter, e.g. Clinton email scandal.

>>133689038
Trump isn't going to fire Mueller, he's going to sleep walk him unless he resigns.

>>133694441
See
>>133694201
>>133693874
>>133693717
>>133694237

And uh, you know, maybe if you stopped making the same point over and over again people would stop giving you a hard time. Your the kind of guy who has a biased conclusion already preconceived and who repeats shoddy information to prove that conclusion despite any evidence to the contrary. What are you at, 40 posts of the same thing so far?

>>133687215
There's a big difference between the Russian saying 'I have political opposition research' and 'I have damaging information re corruption'

>>133694635
You are wrong:


>Trump Jr: How about 3 at our offices? Thanks Rob appreciate you helping set it up.

>Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law [Jared Kushner] and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.

How does the act define solicitation?
>A communication that provides a method of making a contribution or donation
>A communication that provides instructions on how or where to send contributions or donations

Communicating an exact time and place for an in person meeting to receive the political opposition research plainly qualifies under the act.

The act very narrowly defines what is solicitation for its purposes. Trump Jr gave the time and place of the meeting to receive the contribution, this is exactly communicating the when and where as the act expressly prohibits

>>133694748
Unfortunately Trump Jr already admitted what he thought it was "The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton I thought was Political Opposition Research."

>>133694773
Jesus Christ dude. We've been over this.
Goldstone solicited a meeting with DTJ.
DTJ can say yes or no.
In no way is DTJ's response solicitation.

>>133694560
Again, these are campaign FINANCE laws. You are interpreting the letter of the law too literally and not even in their intended manner. You can't provide a convincing trail of evidence of intent to receive something valuable, because you don't even know what the thing received supposedly was and can't say what it was and therefore if it could be appraised as valuable or not. This has no chance in court unless there's more evidence somewhere.

>>133694441
The point is so absurd it would make hearing commentary over the news by foreign agents as violating the law

>>133691465
>It's like the MSM have built their house of cards and forgotten about building the entire bottom layer.
>It's like the MSM have built their house of cards and forgotten about building the entire bottom layer.
No, it's that they've built the house and forgot they were imaginary cards which did not exist.

>>133694642
Implying a Russian formed their own political opposition research of a foreign candidate is unreasonable and unbelievable. Much more obvious assumption was the information had to do with whistleblower knowledge of unlawful activities

>>133684378
Some one tweets out damaging info on Clinton & sends it to Trump Jr. who then discards that info because it would require extra follow up to confirm it as true. The sender turns out to be some mid ranking leaf few have heard of. By your logic, Jr. just broke FEC rules.

>>133694773
>Hey I have some weed (said police officer 1) wanna meet me?
>Sure let's meet behind the alley at 3

According to the ways you've defined solicitation , it is the officer who offered the man weed who was innocent of solicitation. Sounds to me you are using bullshit legalese here to be a vindictive kike...

>>133694833
It's not a Russian, it's a Democratic operative. You can't collude with a Democrat ffs.

"""BREAKING
White House logs show the alleged ex Russian counter intelligence specialist Rinat Akmetshin spending 13 hours at White House before he met Trump Jr


http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/73080195/Rinat-Akhmetshin#Details%20of%20Visit&s=3bvMZx

>>133692426
>that provision of polling information to a campaign that the campaign would normally have to pay to have
"pay to have" is the operative wording. No pay, no request to pay, no value seen. Your argument fails.

>>133682908

(Will have to divide into 2 posts)

You are missing the bigger picture.

Rinat Akhmetshin made his appointment to "tour" the East Wing at 12:00 pm on January 2, 2016 through the Visitors Office. At least 4 other people were included in that same appointment.

http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/73080195/Rinat-Akhmetshin (Scroll down the page.)

They are: Daniel J. Chenok, Mary L. Brown, Margot B. Ellis and Randy R. Boldosser.

1) Daniel J. Chenok is Executive Director, IBM Center for The Business of Government -- IT, Cyber, Privacy, Budgeting, Management, Regulation. NAPA Fellow.

https://twitter.com/dchenok?lang=en

Note: "IT, Cyber, Privacy..."

Also, NAPA is National Academy of Public Relations and one of their research goals is "Intergovenmental relations".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Academy_of_Public_Administration_(United_States)

It just so happens Chenok addressed DHS in 2008, opening with the statement, "Thank you for the opportunity to testify before the Committee on how the government can continue its efforts to manage information technology (IT) effectively and efficiently."

https://www.actiac.org/system/files/ACT-IAC_testimony_on_major_IT_acquisitions.pdf

2) "Mary L. Brown joined Cisco in 2004 and serves as senior director of technology and spectrum policy in Washington, D.C.. Among the issues she follows are homeland security, wireless, and lawful intercept."

https://blogs.cisco.com/author/marybrown

Note: "homeland security, wireless, and lawful intercept."

>>133682908

(Part 2)

3) Margot B. Ellis was appointed to the U.N. in January, 2010, as "Deputy Commissioner-General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)."

https://www.un.org/press/en/2010/sga1216.doc.htm

After the June meeting with DJT Jr. that Akhmetshin attended, Ellis served as Senior Deputy Assistant Administrator for Bureau for Europe and Eurasia (part of USAID). She rejoined USAID in 2015 after leaving the U.N. position.

https://www.usaid.gov/who-we-are/organization/margot-ellis

4) Randy R. Boldosser is "Washington D.C. Metro Area - Executive Director, AT&T Executive and National Security Programs - AT&T."

https://www.linkedin.com/in/randy-boldosser-9aa3958

So, explain to me WHY these 5 people, 1 of whom MSM is branding "a Russian spy", 1 of whom held a U.N. position in Obama's administration and (more importantly) 3 of whom have top level positions and work with National Security issues (and apparently share this info with Federal Government) for THREE MAJOR tech companies, all made an appointment at the same time to "tour" the East Wing at the same time.

>>133693763
Bump

>>133693789
Double bump

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>>133693910
Nice stretch, try again

>>133694408
Bigady Bump

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((they)) have been getting BTFO this month. The end is near.
>cnn btfo
>democrat sting operation on trump Jr. BTFO and keeps unraveling faster then they can tell tell it
>the dnc is leaking like a colander
>marcon gets bogpilled.

>>133694833
So to be clear, you are relying on a non authoritative advisory opinion which specifically addressed the value of a large scale polling operation and imputing that to info you believe appeared to be the product of 'opposition research', and incredibly vague term that could both apply to a large scale outsourced costly operation and a single chan user who dug up dirt on their own? As no information was passed the point is moot as no contribution was made.

But I assume the point of this exercise is to say that even though nothing passed, it's the solicitation which is relevant? These actions clearly don't qualify as solicitation. Solicitation is defined in the statute as

For the purposes of part 300, to solicit means to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.

There was no asking, requesting, recommending, or anything similar. It was the acceptance of a request. In no way is that solicitation as per the statute

>>133686050
>advisory opinions
Where is the law?

>>133695863
Seriously wtf is up with Macron, what do frogs think this guy wants or is doing? He's been going nuts.

>>133694868
Yep, what he said

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>obamaleaf getting THIS scared that his mentally ill ranting will be for nothing
How sad

>>133686720
wow, you are good.

Experience should tell you that the truth is the opposite of whatever the media is saying. If they're claiming that Russia was helping Trump then Russia was helping Clinton.

All in all, the Democrat's attempt to frame has failed, and has even backfired. With this they got a FISA warrant, that yielded nothing.

>>133694642
>implying so much that you change the whole claim
Stick with one at a time

>>133696462

But were probably feeding information to Hillary all the while with juicy campaign intel.

>>133696108
Macron is in with the jews.
Hes giving up little sacrifices to seem more appealing to Trump. (((They))) know the Rinat Akhmetshin story wont stick forever. So theyre starting to already move onto the next thing.

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>The liberal media jumped on the story noting that Akhmetshin a Russian operative and was helping Trump get elected.

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In. A. Nutshell.

>>133696539
She can ponder that while behind bars.

Look, I'm no Trump fanboi, but the corruption in Washington needs to be gutted, drawn and quartered, and flushed down the toilet. If it takes Trump to do it, then I'm for that.

>>133696915
my feelings exactly

>>133696720
Isn't the alleged "Russian Spy" a dual citizen of the United States and The Russian Federation? If so, one might make the argument Jr. wasn't colluding with a foreigner.

>>133688997
Fold up a blank piece of paper. Call it a brochure. Donate brochure to political party. Tell the party you are donating this awesome, inspiring brochure on behalf of Canada.

You cannot accept it because it is a blank folded piece of paper. Not because it has or doesn't have info written on the paper.

>>133698006
OMFG, you have uncovered the way to collapse all political parties. They will all be required to dismember and dissolve. If only these Dem-shills understood the logical conclusion to their arguments.
But no, they shill for the shill sake.

>>133681225
Citizens United ruling changed the game.

Now a handful of rich entities can make a ringer out of money. One important thing to note is that it didn't work for a candidate that is too unlikable.

>>133696915
well said

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>>133668914
no source is a good source.

>>133699019
>133682908

>>133699019
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>>133686384
Technically goldstone set up the meeting and knew of Hillary dirt. If the meeting was only to discuss the magnitzky act then goldstone needs to testify before Congress about what evidence he knew of, or if he ever had any to begin with.

If he did, then Hillary goes to jail, and a pardon for Don Jr.

If he didn't, then he's fake, and it's fake news.

>>133699019
Don't remove the tattoo, it's an improvement.

>http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/breaking-russian-american-rinat-akhmetshin-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting-works-democratic-fusion-gps/

>>133682908
>http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/73080195/Rinat-Akhmetshin

>Note: End times recorded as "11:59 pm" are likely default end times and consequently may produce exceptionally long estimated visit durations.

/pol/ cherrypicking as usual lol

>>133699596
So youre saying they didnt attempt to record the visit? Might as well just not keep records at all

>>133699596

ALSO from the same link:

>The appointment was scheduled to begin at 10:30 am with The Visitors Office in the White House East Wing and included a group of 274 people.

You chuckleheads think that Obama would have discussed a secret plan to entrap Donald Trump in a room with 274 people who didn't need to be in on it?

Honestly, now.

>>133699794

No, I'm pointing out that the log says that appointment end times listed as 11:59pm (Such as is listed about the rinat appointment) are likely default times and may give the impression that the person was in the whitehouse for longer than they actually were.

>>133699797
irony is the Russian supper spy is running around the WH on special visa and is suddenly a Kremlin puppet who is here to assist the trump campaign

>>133690814
>and suggested making the information public

Whistleblower act, yo. It's not considered classified information and it's intended to inform the public of criminal enterprise.

Sucks to suck, faggot.

I find the current MSM spin to be disingenuous.

>Russian-American Lobbyist Attended Meeting Organized by Trump’s Son
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/politics/russian-american-lobbyist-meeting-trump.html

He didn't organize this. He responded to someone coming to him. Man, this swamp is deep and needs to be paved

PAVE THE SWAMP

>>133699797
You dunderheads really think that if you chuckle about entrapping the treasoner with a secret plan then 24747 people in the secret room will not be in on it?

Now honestly. Never mind that it's more dispositive that he was on friendly enough terms to be invited to the White House than the content of the meetings

>>133700273

>running around the WH

He was at the whitehouse for a few hours with a group of 270+ others. That doesn't sound like any kind of in depth interaction, that sounds like he visited the whitehouse with a bunch of other people.

>Special visa

Source.

>Kremlin puppet who is here to assist the trump campaign

Yeah well, that's what his past actions indicate.

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>>133700740
>>Special visa
This was on thehill.com yesterday as well as other places. Loretta Lynch had to personally approve the visa. It was approved in Jan 16. Won't be hard to find the article. Chuck Grassley requested and got the information.

>>133700740
http://news.valubit.com/why-did-loretta-lynch-grant-trump-jrs-russian-lawyer-a-special-visa-to-enter-america/

>>133700964
>>133700974

Go read properly. The guy I replied to claimed that the former counterintelligence official had been given a special visa. I asked for a source on THAT.

It's a matter of course that a Russian lawyer who represents state owned companies, government organizations and government officials would be allowed into the United States, because she likely had legitimate business in the U.S., whether it's with companies or our own government.

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>>133701184
also linked to the firm with the pee pee poo poo bull shit but who gives a fuck why are we still talking about this retarded cow. we have looked at this from 20 different angles the only thing that will shed more lite on this is more dirt to come out or where you not here for the beginning of this thread?

>>133700928

political cartoons are getting fucking weird man

>>133701525

Are you drunk or something?

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>>133701618
Memes are weird.

>>133701632
no i been talking about this bitch sense this broke last night i am looking for new shit to come out at this point but nothing yet

>>133701917

About Lynch granting a lawyer representing a foreign government into the country?

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>>133702049
that and her connection to the dim legal firm responsible for the trump pee pee poo poo thing and she attended anti trump rallies as well has been seen on several occasions with shillory staffers and lawyers
need more dirt now

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Could you imagine having the phones and emails tapped then Trump just talks about his golf game and replacing the gold faucets at a hotel for 5 months.

They are like c'mon how boring are you. I take money from foreign governments and my husband spends it on hookers while my Suadi secret agent assistant tosses my salad before going home to her husband who is sending dicks pics to 15 year olds.

>>133702359
I agree, we're just waiting for all the goods to come out at this point since the liberal media is so intent on pursuing the Russia meme. This story isn't nearly over yet, folks. Somehow, I bet not a single Trump goes to jail or gets removed from office.

>>133702569
yeah i think this will amount to much to do about nothing. they dont have anything on trumps in a legal seance and it is a long way to try to pin sedition on the previous admin i think this will tern into a nothing burger but still interested if anything changes

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>>133702359

You mean a representative of a foreign government might have been playing both sides? My God! Unheard of!

I don't now how the lawyer lady feels about politics, but let's assume for a minute that she doesn't personally care for Trump. If Vladimir Putin sends word for you to do something, you do it, you don't say "Oh but I like democrats :( ".

>>133702569

How can we continue saying it's a meme when Trump Jr. provided us with proof of at least one instance where they attempted to cooperate with a representative of a foreign government to try to affect the election?

And then the former counterintelligence guy who was at the meeting did an interview where he even said that documents on Clinton were provided to Trump Jr. at the meeting by the lawyer lady.

It makes more sense that they would fuck Trump and them over like this when you consider that the goal was never to have a partnership between Putin and Trump. The goal was to fuck us up and make the country shit its pants over the scandal that they would help to expose.

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>>133670910
Are you a cuck? Why can't you pay attention?

>>133702474
I honestly think these people have had sirens of panic screaming in their heads for over a full year now

the MSM's hysterics have become the NEW NORMAL for christ sakes

>>133703092
still doesn't mean shit. you can see from the emails the help was offered and not solicited so legally they could have had codes to nukes and it wouldn't mean shit it is not illegal the most this will amount to is political damage because the optics are bad.

>>133700928
I wish I would have come up with this

>>133703092
>How can we continue saying it's a meme when Trump Jr. provided us with proof of at least one instance where they attempted to cooperate with a representative of a foreign government to try to affect the election?
The claim was that Russia "interfered" in or "subverted" the 2016 American presidential election. As in, the Trump campaign committed a crime by working with the Russians. It's a dumb meme, and you're grasping at straws. This is manufactured outrage at the Trump presidency by the media. You can't prove DTJ committed any crime unless more juicy evidence is found.

>And then the former counterintelligence guy who was at the meeting did an interview where he even said that documents on Clinton were provided to Trump Jr. at the meeting by the lawyer lady.
And then he lost interest. Essentially refusing to accept anything other than what was provided for free to "hear them out." Not illegal.

>>133683471
Going by your logic Elton John preforming at a fundraising event for Hillary would count as treason.

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>Ameriturds are still living in McCarthyism horror

>>133703608
even if he took it its not illegal thats the thing. if you go to a foreign gov and ask for help it is illegal and you go to jail but if they say hay we have this you want it it is legal. dot ask me why i didnt white the law and i think it is retarded but thats basically how this works

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>>133703820
Cheers

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>>133703820
It's like a scavenger hunt.

>>133684378
>FEC
Right...

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>>133703430
Get your shovel, we're going to pave the swamp

>>133703813
Giggedy Bump

>>133703399

Read the law. You don't have to go out there asking for it.

If someone says they'll give it to you and you accept, you broke the law. Even if you attempt to accept, you broke the law. Did you really think the laws would only cover people who went out looking, and not people who were sought out by those attempting to provide the information?

>>133703608

You're getting confused. Trump and his associates aren't being looked at because Russia chose to run interference with fake news stories and targeted hacks. They're being looked at because of the suspicion (Now confirmed for Trump Jr.) that they were offered, and accepted or attempted to accept information on an opponent provided by a foreign power.

>And then he lost interest. Essentially refusing to accept anything other than what was provided for free to "hear them out." Not illegal.

So you're saying he attempted to acquire assistance, got a little bit for free then decided he wasn't interested to hear more? Let's assume that's the case. Still illegal.

Listen, don't take my word for it, go read the law. The law doesn't say you have to give them anything in return. The law says you can't accept anything of value like that from a representative of a foreign government. Simple. No caveats. The correct thing for him to have done would be to forward the email to the FBI instead of going along with it. I don't really blame him, he probably had no idea it was illegal.

But that's what we're looking at, here.

>>133704167
Cite the law that was broken internet lawyer

>>133704167
No laws were broken, fuccboi.

>>133704167
>If someone says they'll give it to you and you accept, you broke the law.

Whoa there doggy, you've just gone idiot

>>133704167
I agree with the others. Cite the law you believe was broken, because I don't think campaign finance law and "things of value" quite cuts it yet.

>>133704167
so hiring a firm that uses British intelligence is also illegal then we need to lock up shillory now?

>>133704441
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>>133704225

Ask, and I shall provide

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

This law has to do with foreign assistance to campaigns. It says you are not allowed to accept things of value from foreign powers or even foreign citizens who are not residents of the United States to help you in an election, even if you never asked for it and even if you give them nothing in return.

Before you argue that documents on Clinton are not 'things of value', courts have already ruled in the past that documents and even information (Like someone telling you a secret in person or something) counts.

>>133704441

You mistake me, sir. I'm not here to defend Clinton. I'm here to explain how the law was broken in this particular case.

If Clinton did the same thing, then she deserves investigation and charges also.

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>>133704873
To bad foreigners are allowed to volunteer to work for a campaign

>>133704873
>https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
i like how everything in the law you provided says "funds" and to that one only hillory is guilty

>>133704873
Oh shareblue, ya blew it.

>>133705017

Read the statute, please. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

It explains everything in clear English.

>>133705167
Read the wall of text I posted. It explains how your entire argument holds no water

>>133705089

>It only says funds

No, It doesn't. Here, let me help you.

Go back, CTRL-F "Value".

>>133704873
>things of value
Here we fucking go again. These are campaign FINANCE laws. Nothing was provided in the meeting and more importantly you have no evidence and no explanation for asserting it was a "thing of value." No one has real evidence what it was yet, much less that it constitutes some kind of gift. "Hi I have some information for you" "okay" is in no way a financial crime.

>>133705226

Your wall of text is meaningless, man. The statute is right there.

Trump Jr. did something that the law says you cannot do. He admitted that he did this. He violated the law. It's simple stuff.

>>133705356
>https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
has never been held up in a election case that i know of because opposition research from foreign governments has been used before and i know of no one impeach or even fined over it.

>>133704873
Dude, Clinton had foreign nationals actively assisting in her campaign. That is 100% legal. I don't fault Clinton, and you are an idiot

>>133705446

You can call it a finance law, but courts in the past have ruled that "Thing of value" includes documents, information, etc.

>Nothing was provided in the meeting

That's not what the ex-counterintelligence guy said. So far the guy swearing up and down that he didn't accept anything was also swearing up and down that he didn't know who he was going to meet with, and before that he tried to tell us that the meeting never happened.

We'll get to the bottom of it. More shoes will drop off of this centipede.

>>133705467
You aren't a lawyer and are misreading the statute. The 'thing of value' statement is regarding physical object, like posters, buttons, bumper stickers, that have actualy monetary value. Information doesn't fall under that category. Also, whistleblower information on a crime that has been committed is protected under federal law and can be obtained how ever you like. It isn't subject to FEC regulation.

>>133705591

If she violated the law, she deserves charges. I would absolutely fault her if she broke the law in that way. You're confusing dislike for Trumps actions with love for Hillary Clinton and it's unfortunate.

>>133705588

People get away with crimes, sometimes. It sucks. But that doesn't mean that we should give folks a pass when they do get caught.

>>133705446
If only idiots knew they were idiots, the world would be a better place

>>133705614
Did you clock in after the dumbass leaf's shift ended? 55 posts and not a single point made.

>>133705719
>But that doesn't mean that we should give folks a pass when they do get caught.
Other than that by the letter of the law, no laws were broken in this case. I'm not saying what DonJr did was ethical, but it wasn't illegal

>>133705616
>The 'thing of value' statement is regarding physical object, like posters, buttons, bumper stickers, that have actualy monetary value.

Again, this is false. Even items of nominal value such as documents and information fall under the law.

Also are you arguing that opposition research does not have monetary value? You should tell those firms who make millions of dollars off of it that their business model is flawed lol.

>>133705719
Oh shareblue, you're so cute when you pretend to be impartial. You're not fooling anyone.

>>133705809
Oppo research can be payed for or it can be offer for free.
Again, the claim was that this information contained proof of a crime. That information is protected under federal whistleblower laws and isn't subject to these regulation you posted.
You lose... again