Why is /pol/ filled with religious shills nowadays? I used to

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Bump because people are insanely dumb and will believe anything thats told to them.

>>133663534
Why are you so hostile.

Does the thrill of anonymously attacking strangers over the internet get your chode to tickle? Perhaps you should consider paying attention to your overdue bar tab. Oh wait im going to guess you dont leave that crusty old basement you call your home. Perhaps if you took one moment, one day, nay, one passing second to think about your situation in life you would realize that in the end nothing is worth while and that the most you can do to positively impact this world and all other worlds in the known universe is to finally, FINALLY, itch that scratch in the back of your mind. The thought you dare not acknowledge lest you finally man up the cojones, balls for your impoverished foolhardy ass, to FINALLY take that power cord, sticky and grimy with caked on layers of doritos crumbs, sweat, and semen. A frothy, disgusting mixture of bodily waste that so accurately sums up who and what you and your lifestyle represent: Absolute scum. Not one more second should pass where you continue to contribute to the enthropic heat death of known reality. Take that power cable. Take that disgusting mound of semen, rubber, and disgusting food particles. Take it. Take all 8 feet of it from the very wall in which its plugged to the half dismantled box that you use to type this message to me. Take it, and finally, FINALLY, itch that scratch. Tie it as tight as you can around your neck, make sure that one end is securely fastened to the ceiling, and take that final plunge. That final step off your bent and mangled chair, the unfortunate piece of plastic used to carry your morbidly obese welfare person. Take that final step. Take that final step into the halls of darness and obscurity. Do it. Kill yourself. For the good of all mankind you mother fucking piece of shit

>>133663534
Eternal torture is not Scriptural. It is a farce that is perpetuated by Christians, mainly Catholics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-oeQgAsPzk

>>133663534
Christianity and religion in general isn't about the superstitions of believing in god and miracles and shit that evangelicals tell you too believe. Religion is about the culture installed in white people about how to live their lives to be better people and build better societies. There is a quote by penn teller where he says something like "I rape all I want which is 0. I don't need religion to tell me not to rape." Which is bullshit because the only reason we know rape is wrong is because of 1000nd of years of religious law telling us what is moral or not. Rape is a normal part of nature and we probably would still be raping if it wasn't for religion.

>inb4 assblasted religious people flood the thread with >>>/reddit/ and fedora memes

>>133663534
Science lead me to God:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9D00DXQQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY98io7JH-c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h2-2lvjC8E

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>>133663534
Religious users piggyback off the negative images of athiests being edgy to try and make religion seem rational. They like to use pic related

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>>133665028
You're such a great example for religious people.
>>133665152
I have morals because I'm human and I have empathy, not because a religion told me so.
Morals do not come from religion. The bible permits slavery, rape, and tons of other shit that we all know is terrible to do to another human being.

I do not need the bible to tell me that rape is wrong or how to treat other people, because morals come from being a decent human being, not from a fucking book or fear of punishment.

>>133663534
Religion is just another easy way to assert your moral superiority

It's /pol/s version of virtue signalling

>>133665725
>religion
>rational
I'm glad you at least have some sense to believe otherwise.

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>>133665320
>uironically posting Kent Hovind

>>133663534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmIc42oRjm8

Do you have a better explanation. For most scientists, science itself leads people to God. The evidence is all around you. It takes an insurmountable ignorance or unwillingness to examine science, to say the statement you just made.

>>133665725
What a brave individual.

>>133663534
Christianity is fucking bad but they still impress moral values upon people who didn't learn to think for themselves. It happens that the Atheist movement has been subverted by (((certain interest groups))) who want to fill the vacuum of religion with degeneracy. It needs to be made clear for everyone that religion must be replaced by philosophy. Teach the young how to think. As for law and moral conduct, ostracize repeated offenders.

>>133663534
There's literally nothing in the Bible that says hell is for eternity. It's strongly implied that you just burn up down there and then cease to exist.

>>133663534
>not even changing the filename
>>133664382
>trying to bump own thread in the first post
>>133665810
>facebook filename AGAIN

Lazy. You don't deserve a single one of these (You)s.

>>133665810
I'd posit that morals come from the golden rule of 'do to others only as you would have done to yourself.' If we perceive the action we're taking against someone as an action we wouldn't want to have taken against us we perceive that as "wrong."

I think religion, the historical and cultural components are immensely important. I do feel like we as a species need to shed the idea that god is in the gaps of scientific knowledge, however.

>>133666644
digits

>>133666644
Yep!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-oeQgAsPzk

>>133666542
>offenders are those who make me mad tho

yeah you need to go

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>>133666128
Anything in particular you have to say about his information?

The only sure way to everlasting ignorance is condemnation before to investigation.

Pic related. It's a 22 inch foot in the same strata layer as a dinosaur foot.

>>133666870
>giving a shit about the filename
>not providing an actual argument and instead attacking the way I provided my argument
Fuck outta here.

bump again

>>133663534
This is now a pagan thread

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did genesis really happen?

>>133668915
No it's not. Fuck outta here. We're discussing how stupid religion is. Paganism is a religion, and therefore stupid.

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>>133668981
I guess the first question you must ask is how old the earth really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eoxZvV6YY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKhcYGST8WU

Funny how a tree can be lodged through "millions" of years of sediment... or the tree was lodged when the sediment was layered down all at once.

Also... When did these objects get deposited? Was it millions of years or a great flood?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lGAsBqzqMk

>>133663534
Being religious is bluepilled??? Etc happened... why is it conservatives are doing what liberal did more than ten years ago.. cry conspiracies.

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>>133668981
Protip: None of the Bible happened.

Jesus existed, as per history books. That much is known. But he was not the son of god. If he was, and had any sense, he would have gotten the fuck off the cross and proved to everyone once and for all that god exists, removing all doubt. He would have teleported himself all over the world, proving himself to exist to each and every culture in the world.

Letting yourself be killed so that those with "faith" can be "saved" from something YOU will do to them is a stupid concept. If god had any sense, he would at least let people know he exists, instead of punishing people for following the basic instinct of not believing in something that nobody has ever directly or indirectly observed.

Nobody has ever seen, heard, or felt god's presence. If they have, it's just because they want to believe it so bad they convinced themselves that they have. They're so scared of what happens after death that they convince themselves there is an afterlife in heaven and that they will go there if they believe in god as their "savior", saving them from a hell that he created and will send them to if they are skeptical of his existence.

It's all complete bullshit. Many Christians only believe in god because of Pascal's Wager. Which, if THAT is the reason you believe in god, then you only believe because of fear, and not because you actually love god (who could love that selfish, narcissistic piece of shit anyway?).

>claims to be scientifically minded
>uses absence of evidence as evidence of absence
really jogs the noggin

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>>133670252
Right? Because I only believe in things which have evidence for their existence.

Are you seriously making fun of sound logic?

>>133670221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqgQ9g2MV_8&list=PL_0WMuZTHkN4d1H5QJnIBuEdirkrHJo1j

Jesus lived and did the things people claimed He did. If He didn't do the things He was seen to do, He would not have started the largest world religion on earth. He would have been outed as a liar or a lunatic.

>>133670221
The earth is younger than we think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji2cvuJ1mYg

>>133670221
>>133670698
I am a biochemist and I can tell you, it's absolutely 100% impossible for a soft tissue to be 65 million years old.

>>133670221
Who said god was all forgiving???

>>133663534
If there is no (((Yahweh))) then how come I can post a picture of a fat guy wearing a hat and instantly blow all your logic and rationale the fuck out? Jew God status: proven. Now open up them borders goy or less I slam you with an epic hat pic

>>133671053
Jews have the holy texts but they do not follow them. In fact modern Judiasm really constituted "Pharaseeism" which is actually everything Jesus was against. You cannot clump the beliefs of Talmudic Jews today with the gospel of Christ and the old testament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=347to413eVU

>>133663534
God doesn't torture you dumbfuck.

>>133665152
>it isn't about being superstitious or believing in gods and miracles
Kek, that's an entire movement in the US about how you don't need modern medicine but just need to pray.

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shut up you fucking larper

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>doesnt understand religion
>doesnt understand national socialism
>still posts this thread with that flag

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>>133670594
He WAS outed as a liar and lunatic, and executed for it. However, some people saw the opportunity to use him as a means to create a religion in order to control people, and that's exactly what they did.

ALL religion is a means of controlling people. All you have to do is say that god gave you a message to tell the masses, and bam, you have an army at your disposal. Crusades, anyone?

How can you not see this? The bible was written in an old language based on hearsay and stories passed from generation to generation by people who didn't know how to write, then rewritten, rewritten, translated to Latin, preached in churches to people who didn't know how to read latin and therefore they could say whatever they wanted because they knew people couldn't read the bible, then translated to german, rewritten, rewritten, parts added and taken out (specifically the part about hell, that was definitely added during the part when common people couldn't read the bible and used to scare people into believing in god), rewriten, translated again and again and again, and now we have the current bible.

Fact is, there is ZERO proof of god's existence. An old book that was written by men and edited thousands of times is not proof. Even if it was, it's been edited so many times that nobody knows what was originally there and what the true message was.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all have different accounts of how Jesus was arrested and different accounts of plenty of other events as well. If all four of them were there when Jesus was arrested, those 4 books would have the exact same story of how Jesus was arrested.

There's tons of other ways the bible contradicts itself.

You're living a lie. The earth and the universe are billions of years old. Get with the times.

>>133663534
Because /pol/ is filled with conservatives.

>>133671851
>implying I give a fuck
They were retarded on the account they believed in god. Every other aspect of their ideology was based.

>>133663534
This is my God. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My God is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my God is useless. Without my God, I am useless. I must faithful to my God to be true. I must pray more than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must pray against him before he shoots me. I will…
My God and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit…
My God is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its teachings. I will keep my God clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will…
Before God, I swear this creed. My God and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!

>shills and shitposters failed with their BLACKED threads
>now resorting to anti-religion threads
Get fucked faggot. Anyone who spends some time on /pol/ will eventually realize that atheism is sincerely retarded.

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>>133669631
You owe me my tax dollars back for wasting the money I spent on your public education.

>>133671968
The Jews outed Him not because He was not doing miracles, but because He claimed to be God.

Think about it, how many other world religious figures at the center of other faiths claimed to be God? The answer is zero. Are you watching any of the videos I am sending you? You are staying willingly ignorant because you do not want to change. It's ok. Others will read and watch my posts. You will be left behind if you do not humble your pride and just simply scientifically look at the counter argument. If you do not, you will always be one sided.

>would have the exact same story of how Jesus was arrested.

Actually the fact that they are slightly different but contain the same major parts, is very significant. If all the stories were exactly the same, one would cry "collusion." In a court case, these variances in eye witness testimony actually validates accounts. There is enough evidence that Jesus did miracles and was crucified and then rose from the dead, to convict a man of murder 1000 times over (if it were a murder case). People familiar with law know this and have extensively written about it in regards to the first four books of the New Testament.

>>133672385
I am a physician and a biochemist before that. I think I did ok with those tax dollars.

As far as the primary axiom of evolution, I used to be a true believer. I investigated the other side honestly, and what I found shocked me. If you never investigate the other side, then you will remain as you are, an ignorant slave of a system designed to invalidate God by any and all means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY98io7JH-c

When you weigh all the evidence on both sides in a logical and reasonable manner, its hard to deny the truth. Public schools only teach the evidence that supports their side and systematically ignore anything to the contrary, just like liberals do.

>>133665810
You have your sense of morality because you were taught it like most people, period.

You weren't fucking born with it.

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>>133671968
>An old book that was written by men and edited thousands of times is not proof. Even if it was, it's been edited so many times that nobody knows what was originally there and what the true message was.

scientifically not accurate

Is Our Copy of the Bible a Reliable Copy of the Original?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html

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>>133673063
I'm waiting for my money back. And you should probably refund all the people you allegedly practice on too. I truly pity them.

>and what I found shocked me
You should try going to a magic show. I bet it'll blow your mind.

>When you weigh all the evidence on both sides in a logical and reasonable manner, its hard to deny the truth.

The truth being that Noah's flood never happened?

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scientific proof for god

you cant create a negative image naturally

>>133672096
you literally dont know what the concept of god is about. you attribute the word god to things that you are sure dont exist instead of attributing it to real metaphysical and esoteric phenomenons
>implying you know of any of these anyways

>>133673577
Well Yale might disagree. I did graduate from Medical School there and residency.

Are you sure the flood and Noah account never occurred?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoTkguzRaCU

And that Red Sea crossing, was that all just a story? Remember this crossing was 1000 feet of water and through an abyssal plane in the Red Sea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsa7ebyUVD4

And Mt Sinai, that's just a story too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-eSRcr9CWw

Watch the video evidence, because if a picture is worth a 1000 words, what are these video's of? If you can refute them, tell me why.

>>133672096
you're obviously a plebeian by nature. religion isnt for you. dont worry about it

>>133672586
I did, and they were a waste of time. They provide no evidence for the existence of god, only "explanations" of things the bible talks about already. Anyone with a brain knows that the idea of God existing is completely retarded and backed by zero evidence. I've read the bible. Unless you have any EVIDENCE of god existing, or EVIDENCE of jesus doing miracles, then don't come at me with anything.

Also, the whole soft tissue thing? Yeah it's dumb. Of course soft tissue doesn't survive 65 million years. But fossilized bones do. I don't know who came up with the soft tissue thing but I don't use that as an argument for my case because even I know that it isn't possible.

Either way, your videos do not prove the existence of god, they only expand on your views of certain points.

Fact is, if all knowledge of religions were to be wiped out, and all knowledge of science were to be wiped out, then guess what would eventually restore itself the exact same way in thousands of years? Science. Religions are just stories. Science is verifiable knowledge about the way the universe and nature works.

Christianity is the boss level redpill. White western civilization is built upon Christianity and will not survive without it. Whether or not you think God is real, no Christianity, no white civilization.

>>133673457
scientifically not accurate? The fuck? I don't have to use science to realize that the bible has been rewritten thousands of times by people who want to control what others believe for their own benefit. That's just common sense and it's backed by history.

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>>133673969
>Well Yale might disagree. I did graduate from Medical School there and residency.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. What year did you graduate and do residency?


>Ron Wyatt
And I'm supposed to believe you're a fucking ivy league doctor and believing in quacks like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
>Ronald Eldon Wyatt (2 June 1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible related discoveries. These have been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and other creationists but his work continued to have a following.

>If you can refute them, tell me why.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

So you're a "physician." Surely you accept things such as disease, bacteria and viruses, correct?

>>133674218
refer to
>>133673969
Where will you store this evidence?

>>133673969
None of those things that supposedly happened in Egypt according to the bible were ever mentioned in Egyptian accounts of their history.

Egyptian accounts of history never mention anything that the bible says happened.

>>133663534
Republican shills took over this place and as usual everything that America touches becomes crap. They have the reverse Midas touch.

>>133674404
Actually the fidelity of the Bible is quite astonishing. The Dead sea scrolls (written around 200-300 BC) reveal that the version we read today is essentially unchanged. The writers copied these manuscripts quite carefully, as was their tradition to do so. If there were changed we would see them. We do not see these changes.

>>133674332
>Western civilization
>built upon Christianity
Yeah, right, even though the founding fathers specifically mentioned otherwise.

>>133674456
Medical School in 2007 and residency 4 years after that.

But my credentials are not what is really important. What actually contributes to this discussion is the evidence I am providing. Would you not agree? Appeal to authority fallacy and Ad Hominem fallacy come to mind. I am not assuming you cannot understand the evidence I have provided if you actually watch it. I am assuming you can understand it, but simply will not. That is not very scientific of you - you know the original reason for this post...

>>133673166
He was born with empathy so he has his own morals about what is right and wrong. He does need a dead Jew on a stick telling him how to live

>>133674932
Some of the Founding fathers were Deists, they beleived in God creating heaven and Earth and then leaving us to our own device. The remainder of the Founding fathers were Christian.

>>133674707
Actually if you watch this video, you will realize you are not correct. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBDbDeepyS4

But of course you could trust Muslim archeologists. They are quite unbiased...

>>133675075
Did you watch the video? Watch it. Then make up your mind and stop letting others tell you how to believe.
Be unbiased and you will discover more truth. Plus, that is how science works.

Once it is acceptable to deny God, everything then becomes debateable, and we end up where we are today where people dont know what gender they are, even when they can look in the front of their underwear and know. Its common sense people !

>>133670816
Proof or it didn't happen

>>133663534
You spend a lot of time railing against something you deny the existence of in the first place.

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>>133675075
>What actually contributes to this discussion is the evidence I am providing. Would you not agree?
Not at all, because you provided none.

>Appeal to authority fallacy
>B-But I'm an Ivy league doctor!

>Ad Hominem fallacy come to mind
I got one for you: You're a liar.

>I am not assuming you cannot understand the evidence I have provided if you actually watch it. I am assuming you can understand it, but simply will not.
You're right! I'm absolutely not wasting three hours of my time watching a DEBUNKED quack flail about on camera. Now, do you believe in viruses, diseases and bacteria, yes or no?

>>133675251
Again, because you seem to have trouble reading:
>Ron Wyatt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
>Ronald Eldon Wyatt (2 June 1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible related discoveries.
>These have been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and other creationists but his work continued to have a following.
>THESE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED BY SCIENTISTS, HISTORIANS, BIBLICAL SCHOLARS, AND OTHER CREATIONISTS BUT HIS WORK CONTINUED TO HAVE A FOLLOWING

>>133663534
>torture you for eternity

That's like saying that your mother spanking you as a child was torture, God's wrath is born of love, not hate, He punishes you in an attempt to get you to be less of a fuckup
>implying my captcha didn't just ask me to select a picture of sunglasses on a pumpkin

>>133674707
Did you watch the video? Watch it. Then make up your mind and stop letting others tell you how to believe.
Be unbiased and you will discover more truth. Plus, that is how science works.

>>133675251
Hurr durr

Watch THIS VIDEO.
And this one!
And this one!
Dude, I'm not going to watch all your fucking videos. For every video you show me, I could come back at you with one of my own.

But guess what? You'll never fucking watch them. Show me an unbiased video that isn't super fucking long like every one of yours and maybe I'll care enough to watch it.

You're arguing for moot points, anyway, about biblical stuff. The bible is the very thing being disputed, as is every other religious book.

>>133675526
Tell me how soft tissue can survive that long.

There are questions that physical science and social science cannot answer, but we know that violating certain morals and ethics lead to destruction. We know that God works but science cant prove why it works, but we know it works, so dont abandon God.

>>133675636
No, you have dismissed them. Because you assume that you are smarter than someone with a "MD" is smarter than you. If you don;t want to watch the video, that's OK. You are not ready yet I suppose.

I did thing I would have a discussion here, not a one sided bullhorn. Was I wrong?

>>133673969
No you didn't you stupid asshole
Stop larping and go back to conservapedia or whatever shithole you pathetically try to prop your ego up

>>133675790
>Dude, I'm not going to watch all your fucking videos

Of course you are not. It's why people like you make posts like this. Out of ignorance and an unwillingness to fix it.

>>133675983
So you watched the videos? Great. I am sure now you know it all.

>>133675983
also, not an argument
but you already knew that

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>>133663534
Because leftists went too far. Nobody thinks that this is "normal"

Christianity is the moral and philosophical foundation of western civilization. Replace the foundation and the civilization will be replaced.

>>133665028
>'why so hostile?'
>writes hostile """edgy""" post
>literally not an argument
>kys instead, you fuck

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>>133675975
I didn't even have to dismiss your "evidence" my dude. Scientists, historians, biblical scholars and OTHER CREATIONISTS did that for me.

>Because you assume that you are smarter than someone with a "MD" is smarter than you.
What did he mean by this?

>You are not ready yet I suppose.
Yeah, I'm not counting on severe cognitive decline until I'm well into my 80s and 90s.

>I did thing I would have a discussion here, not a one sided bullhorn.
>Dude watch three hours of bad "science" presented by a discredited retard and then we can talk about why I was right while I plug my ears

>Was I wrong?
Yeah, you were. This discussion is about how much money you stole from the public by wasting my tax dollars trying to put you through high school.

>>133675636
Did you evaluate his evidence for yourself?

Thought not.

That's entirely ok with me.

Wikipedia is smarter than you are, definitely.

Truth is, I have read the refutations and they are extremely poor in evidence. Most of the refutations come from people who have strong biased towards the topic, just like you do.

>>133676359
I know a few things for sure.. you are likely some societal dreg from the bible belt, and you have no idea what science is and how to do it
You'd literally get crushed in pre-med with that kind of mentality, it's obvious you have never taken a biology class in your life
I'm suspecting only a troll could actually be that stupid in which case 6/10 the Yale lie was too obvious
>>133676488
Shove your memes up your ass dipshit

>>133675975
Oh boy, you have a degree. Is that supposed to make you more qualified or something?

No. It doesn't. Your degree has nothing to do with our argument. Assuming you even have one, which I guarantee you don't. If you did, I'd assume you'd have better fucking things to do than be here.

>I have a degree, so I'm smarter than you!
Degrees do not measure intelligence, they only show that you did some paperwork in college and followed directions. Whoo boy.

>>133676359
>watch my videos!
>If you don't watch my videos, you don't know anything!
Enough about your stupid fucking videos made by a guy whos work was debunked. This makes all those videos null and void.

Of course nobody watched your videos. They're an hour long each, boring, and full of false information.

Fuck outta here.
Unless you have some actual evidence for god's existence (there isn't any and the bible doesn't count as it's the very thing being disputed), then fuck off on outta here and stop asking people to watch your videos.

>>133676772
>>Because you assume that you are smarter than someone with a "MD" is smarter than you.
>What did he mean by this?


You assume the writers of wikipedia are smarter than you are, when in reality they just support what you already believe. Have fun with that.

>>133663534
>Why is /pol/ filled with religious shills nowadays?
Fuck of you LARPing newfag!

SAGE

>>133676772
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige then to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread into the fabric of lives."
-Leo Tolstoy

Tolstoy was right about the greatest of men. Is he wrong then about you?

>>133676815
How about you provide your OWN evidence for god's existence and stop relying on a debunked retard to do it for you?

>>133664913
>Bump because people are insanely dumb and will believe anything thats told to them.
That's presumably why you became an atheist:

"Gosh, Christians sure are dumb for pretending to know whether there is or isn't a God. I'll do the same thing by pretending I know for a fact there isn't one!"

Kill yourself, kike.

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>>133665725
>Religious users piggyback off the negative images of athiests
There are a LOT of negative incidents with atheists. That helps us a great deal. It's almost as if atheism is a bankrupt philosophy.

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>guy posts all sorts of videos as official scientific proof of noahs ark and everything

>atheist complains the video is too long

hahahahahaha ok just know that you cant say theres no proof for god anymore you can only say youre too busy to care

>>133670221
>Protip: None of the Bible happened.
You mean not even all the parts that we know absolutely happened?

What a fucking retard!

>>133670444
>Are you seriously making fun of sound logic?
He is pointing out a common fallacy used by idiots like, for example, YOU.

Intelligence and wisdom are 2 completely different things

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>>133676815
>Did you evaluate his evidence for yourself?
Why would I validate the evidence of an amateur archaeologist? I literally have no need to. The man's only credentials are being a nurse-anesthetist, not being an archaeologist, geologist or historian.

Actually, the only evidence I'd like to validate is your medical license. Can you produce a picture for me? You can black out the name and everything. I'd just like to see this for myself.

>Wikipedia is smarter than you are, definitely.
And apparently books written for middle and high schoolers are smarter than a "doctor"

>Truth is, I have read the refutations and they are extremely poor in evidence
Why don't you tell me about the talkorigins article I listed?

>>133676958
>when in reality they just support what you already believe
Oh the irony.

>>133677089
Something about an appeal to authority you said earlier?
Anyway, you're an MD, right? So you've published before, right?

>>133677487
You seem to be leaving out the fact that the "scientific proof" comes from a man who has been THOROUGHLY debunked.

>>133666644
I don't know why people keep talking about hell being eternal punishment. It's right there in the bible that the lake of fire is the end of life. Christian hell is actually buddhist heaven.

>>133666060
This.
Religiofags are addicted to virtue signaling.

>>133676879
Study glutamate mediated neuroexcitotoxicity.
I believe it may apply to you.
Also, still not an argument.
Molyneux really makes you mad, doesn't he. I think you will find most governed by logic and reason will be abrasive to your specific patterned personality.

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>>133678064
>comes from a man who has been THOROUGHLY debunked.

you cant debunk a man silly

you can claim hes "debunked" all you want because you dont want to accept the truth


its being dishonest
all atheists are liars

>>133670890
>Who said god was all forgiving?
And moreover, what kind of good God would allow EVIL people into heaven.

Hell is a consequence of justice. Liberals don't value or understand justice, so they lash out at the very idea that sinners will face consequences.

>>133669631
your retarded

>>133678064
>a man who has been THOROUGHLY debunked
but only in your imagination

>>133663534
Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.

>>133663534
Psalm 14:1, baby-eating faggots.

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>>133677148
Matter exists, yet it cannot be created nor destroyed.

You believe in matter, which cannot explicably explain itself. I believe in a Creator of such matter. I believe we are at an impasse. This is particularly true because of your refusal to entertain anything different than your own belief.

Did it ever make you wonder, why a man, after 4 years of graduate work, and another 4 years of post-graduate work, would change his mind so radically? But I am sure you know it all already. I hope life treats you fairly with all that. I won't pretend that we are having a discussion here anymore. True discussion requires removal of bias and honesty. All I can see in you is hatred. It drives your core philosophy.

>>133669631
>I guess the first question you must ask is how old the earth really is:
That's difficult to answer with high certainty. Even the bible does not say the creation took "days." That is a modern translation. The original basically just meant something like "intervals" or "periods."

>>133678268
The most common theme on /pol/ is the decline of western civilization. Western civilization began to decline when it became popular to deny God. Just like the 1st and 2nd Temple periods in Israel and Judea. Our civilization is built upon the foundation of Christian morality and ethics, if you take that away, there is no civilization to save.

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>>133678440
>you cant debunk a man silly
FIne, his claims have been debunked and rejected by even your own special group of retards.

>you dont want to accept the truth
That sounds familiar

>its being dishonest
So is claiming to be a doctor, a biochemist, and an ivy league graduate.

>all atheists are liars
So how about you show me that medical license? Maybe a diploma? Or a paper you've published? Or better yet,you can tell me about the TalkOrigins article you claimed you've read? You know, the one I've even linked?

>>133678731
Nigga what

>>133678394
Yeah, you're just a weak troll with a superficial knowledge of internet science
Tell me more about toxoplasmosis, frontal lobe damage and r/k selected LIBRULZ Mr.Yale scientist...

>>133678934
>his claims

you can go get samples of the 99% sulphur balls which arent found naturally in sodom and gomorah and test them yourself

theres no claims to facts

>>133678920
So when God created the plants, how did they survive for much longer than a day. Was that day with out sun (created the following day) 1000 years? If so, how did plants survive that long without the sun?

The answer is actually rather simple - either the Scripture is 100% true (except for the changes made by man) or is is not.

>>133665810
do you have faintest clue of what 'freewill' is?

>>133678952
Well toxoplasmosis can actually predispose your child to schizophrenia if you are exposed as a fetus. This is a running theory anyway. Its why we test pregnant women for it and recommend they are either very careful or get rid of their cat if they have one.

The exact mechanism of the frontal lobe deterioration I would guess has to do with its ability to induce dirrect damage to the neuronal cells, or potentially interfere with the chemical signaling pathways for neuronal migration. But it's not my specialty.

>>133678921
Just like when unlimited immigration hits a critical mass where the primary culture is so watered down that it no longer exists. The host country will no longer be a desirable destination because it is just as terrible as all of the orgins of the immigrants. If Christianity is weakened and destroyed the USA will no longer be the bastion of freedom.

>>133678934
>his claims have been debunked
You clearly have no idea how science works.

Do you consider Socrates to have been a real person? Because I can show you main-stream historians right now who doubt he ever actually existed.

Scientists argue about EVERYTHING. The assertion that something of major historical interest has been "debunked" is the claim of someone who is either biased, a liar, or a fool.

The actual existence of the city of Troy was "debunked" many times...right up until Schliemann literally found it.

>>133679377
Vague superficial knowledge that has floated on this board and you latched onto it to feed your narcissicism
Worthless
Instead of lying on this stupid board, why don't you get bent, then actually do some science instead of quoting creationist bullshit
Spare us your existential crisis, the bible is bullshit, deal with it instead of making this place even dumber

>>133679112
>So when God created the plants, how did they survive for much longer than a day. Was that day with out sun (created the following day) 1000 years?
I don't know. Even assuming we are supposed to take the story literally, which I certainly don't, it might mean that the various plant SPECIES continued on after creation.

My problem with people who dispute the bible is that they like to pretend the authors were idiots. They definitely were not idiots. If you think you've found a contradiction that they somehow missed, you're probably not understanding what they wrote.

But of course they didn't know about DNA and pollen and so on and so forth. Now imagine for a moment that there really was a God and he was trying to explain to bronze-age people where the world came from. Wouldn't he put it in terms pretty much exactly like what we see in the bible?

I'm NOT saying this is proof there was a God. I'm saying the authors of the bible were some of the wisest men of their time. This mattered to them. They really wanted to get it right. They weren't screwing around to amuse themselves.

>>133678952
Any more questions? I assure you I am who I say I am but it really matters not if you believe me or not. I can only assume there is no amount of evidence except perhaps personally identifying information, that will satisfy you. I once did show my badge at Yale, and even that was attacked as fake. It is how this place is. I will say that I do regard lying as sinful and personally loath lying. If you have any specific questions about neurology, virology-oncology, then ask away - those are more up my alley.

>>133663534
Why are you seeking a serious response from /pol/?
All they gonna do is tell you that you're an edgy fag kike who wants to establish some bolshevik jewish dictatorship and deprive all the people of their individual freedoms and so on and so on...

>>133679886
not an argument
I will venture a guess that "projection" looms large in your bio-psycho-social profile, but we have never met, so I will assume you are a nice guy in person.

>>133679572
History =/= science you dumb nigger
Have you even met scientists ? They are pretty much in consensus regarding 99% of the knowledge we have, because most of it has been tested and proved so many times it's basically irrefutable

>>133679097
>you can go get samples of the 99% sulphur balls which arent found naturally in sodom and gomorah and test them yourself
Will do! Which dig site should I visit though?
The ones in Ebla, Syria, Bab edh-Dhra, Numeira, al-Safi, Feifa, and Khanazir, Bab edh-Dhra, or the Tall el Hammam dig site?

>>133679572
I mean, lets take Wyatt's claim here:
>Noah's ark has been found at the Durupinar site near Dogubayazit, Turkey. A symmetrical streamlined stone structure near there has the right dimensions, and interior structure and symmetrically arranged traces of metal are consistent with the ark. Also, anchor stones have been found near there.

And then do some research!
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html
>The metal traces that were interpreted as iron brackets were actually goethite, a hydrated iron oxide. This mineral was thoroughly mixed with clay, calcite, quartz, and anthophyllite particles, and it showed a large amount of chemical variability across the sample. Neither of these properties would occur in smelted iron.
>The purported walls of the ark are limonite concentrations. Their boatlike shape is consistent with an eroded doubly plunging syncline. The stresses of such folding commonly cause fractures that cut across the layers. Water moving through these fractures would have produced the limonite concentrations that were interpreted as dividing walls.
>No fossilized wood or traces of wood, reed, or elemental carbon were found associated with the structure (Collins and Fasold 1996).
>The Durupinar site is incompatible with the biblical account. Genesis 8:4-6 says the flood waters receded for two and a half months after the ark landed before other mountaintops became visible. The Durupinar site is almost 10,000 feet lower than the summit of nearby Agri Dagh. Agri Dagh would have been visible above water even before the ark landed (Standish and Standish 1999, 236).

How is this not debunking a claim?

>>133680109
>Why are you seeking a serious response from /pol/?
As opposed to all the geniuses on Reddit? Is that what you mean to say? I give up, where will the OP bring the argument to get a fair response from all participants?

Or is it just that you're so left-biased you pretend that YOUR SIDE is always honest, fair, and restrained?

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>>133679944
So did God know about genetic entropy of the species when Moses spoke with him? Heck we only found about that with Dr. Sanford in 2008. There is more in that book than you or I could possibly imagine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY98io7JH-c

>>133680287
>History =/= science you dumb nigger
So you're saying history is an art? That might explain your total lack of objectivity.

>>133679975
Im a beleiver but let your superior argument be your credibility. A lawyer, senator or a pope can be a fool and have impeccable credentials. Jes sayin

>>133680315
Never used Reddit.

And I'm right wing, get your facts straight.

>>133680467
History = Humanities, literally
It relies on proof and empirical data, but has a much larger room for interpretation and human error
Playing dumb won't you get your point across you know

>>133680290
Did you see the chariot wheel in 200 feet of water that they found? It's style dates to the time of Moses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsa7ebyUVD4

Nothing will keep bright minds dim better than "science" with an agenda. It was certainly true for me.

>>133680643
He's a sinner who lies and deceives while claiming to be honest in the same breath
Probably a jew
He doesn't deserve any more attention

>>133680643
Yea, you are right. My credentials are actually quite irrelevant here and is an appeal to authority anyway. I will keep it on topic. My pride in my education is a hamper for me at times. I apologize.

>>133680290
>And then do some research!
So you're saying that if one possible site for the ark turns out to be false, you have established that it never existed? Would you accept that Attila never existed if we don't have his coffin? I just ask because we have never found it. Seems to me you don't understand how evidence and reasoning work.
>The Durupinar site is incompatible with the biblical account.
So you are saying that if I can find even one incorrect statement in a science text or a novel by Richard Dawkins, I can assume the whole thing is wrong?

What you are doing right now acting as a religious zealot, looking for any excuse, no matter how fallacious, to hold on to your own beliefs instead of making truth your only goal and considering ideas as they come to you.

In my experience, the average atheist is a thousand times more zealous in his religious beliefs than the average Christian is. And they ARE religious beliefs, whether you want to accept it or not, because we cannot know whether there is or is not a God. Atheists are not agnostics. They claim to KNOW. The go on faith.

>>133680862
"Reed" Sea

>>133680944
This is an age old debate and it is going to take someone more devine than a medical student to give a definative answer. I have faith in God, i would suggest you should too, bit ultimately it is your own decision. I will try not to lead anyone astray.

>>133680751
>And I'm right wing, get your facts straight.
My point still stands. You asked why they came to /pol/. So what venue are you saying is more fair and honest and non-trolling than we are? I think you're full of shit. I think the thing newfags hate about /pol/ is that we ARE honest, that we have not been silenced by political correctness.

/pol/is about as honest a site for this conversation as you're ever going to find, despite the trolling.

>>133681074
Saul goodman

>>133665080
This
>>133663534
Sage for summerfaggotry

>>133669218
Varg is an atheist and he isn't religious.
Varg's paganism is just cultural, he even says so on his blog.

>>133663534
Wow, that picture makes god sound a lot like a leftist

>>133670221
>None of the Bible happened.
>implying:
>Alexander the Great didn't exist
>Persians didn't exist nor did they have an Empire
>same for Egypt Babylonia, Assyria, and the Hittites
>Rome did not exist nor did it have an empire
Really doodles my noodles

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>>133680862
Hey, it's our old buddy Ron Wyatt! I forget who he is...
>Ronald Eldon Wyatt (2 June 1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible related discoveries. These have been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and other creationists but his work continued to have a following.

Ah, right.

>>133681133
>So you're saying that if one possible site for the ark turns out to be false, you have established that it never existed? Would you accept that Attila never existed if we don't have his coffin? I just ask because we have never found it. Seems to me you don't understand how evidence and reasoning work.
Well, let me clarify: I believe a flood did occur in the middle east, and it spurned some people to build a boat and try to escape.

What I don't believe is that a flood covered the earth during the time of Moses, and that every animal and person today is descendant of either eight people or two of every animal on earth. That part I don't believe, no.

> in a science text or a novel by Richard Dawkins, I can assume the whole thing is wrong?
Not at all, but I'd be interested in reading your refutation of anything by Dawkins.

> the average atheist
Where did I claim I was an atheist? Furthermore, how is this relevant?

>a thousand times more zealous in his religious beliefs than the average Christian is
Isn't fighting and dying for religious convictions a BIT more zealous than wearing a fedora and making fun of the clinically retarded on /pol/?

>>133681575
Varg is a murderer and certifiably insane. A broken clock is right twice a day. I would value his advice the same as advice from Charles Manson.

>>133681249
No actually is was the Red Sea

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>>133681353
I get religion you know
I'm a materialist head to toe, so I try to give secular explanations to the events surrounding me and the topic of faith and god gets really interesting once you can extricate it from the mystical mumbo jumbo
I just get super pissed when morons who can barely rub two brain cells together start talking about science and spouting nonsense
Tell me the difference between intelligence and wisdom while you're at it

>>133681249
If you watch the video and consider the exact words of the Biblical account, the coordinates provided is the most likely crossing site.

>>133663534
It's annoying and their shit belongs in /his/, but the mods don't care so what can you do. Uncucked Christians are alright though, just don't crusade me faggots.

>>133681755
So instead of quoting others, tell me what specific part of Wyatt's video you disagree with. That is after you watch them.

Intelligence is knowing the effects of street drugs, wisdom is knowing why it is destructive to society as a whole.

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>>133681074
Face it, though. Forget all the other bullshit. Forget the historical arguments.

Why the fuck would an all powerful being need to use dirt to create a man, a rib from that man to create a woman, and all the other symbolic bullshit? He speaks to Abraham out of thin air, yet to Moses from a burning bush. He needs a piece of bread and some fish to create more bread and fish. Why not just create mana out of thin air, or more bread and fish out of thin air?

Why would a god need ANY of this shit? Why would killing an animal absolve you of your sins? Why would you send yourself in the form of your "son" (which is also you) to "die" to save people from their "sins" (most of which harm nobody, the only real sins are thievery, violence, adultery, and murder) when you could have just sent him to tell people to ask god for forgiveness? No need for him to sacrifice himself as a symbol for taking humanity's sins upon himself. Just cut out the bullshit and get straight to the point.

Not to mention that the bible allows slavery, says that women must obey men at all times and have basically no rights, and other abhorrent things that we all agree are not compatible with any decent society.

If god was omniscient, he would already know whether or not we would accept him or not as our "savior". He would know before we were born if we were going to hell or not.

Therefore, why create the ones that are going to go to hell? Why not just spare them from existence in the first place? After all, it would be better to never exist than to live for a short time and then spend eternity in hell.

I'm sure you're going to say free will and all that shit. But the point is that god is either NOT omniscient, therefore the need to test whether or not we will accept him, or NOT benevolent because he creates certain people knowing that they will be doomed to spend eternity in torment in hell.

Not to mention that he allows evil in the world.
If you have the power to stop evil, then do it

>>133663534
>an allpowerful God has time on his hands to fuck with you for being an unconvinced bitch

Why do people project their own conceptions of perfection onto God?

>>133663534
Where does it say God is all loving? I read the whole Bible, and this was never mentioned....do you enjoy building your straw men and jousting away at them?

>>133682512
Its a little ham handed but certain naturally occuring social phenominae need to be considered as vice, it is for the overall good.

>>133663534
What is there to convince of? Here you go. Paradise on earth. There's lots of trees. You can use them to eat and touch and bear fruit but don't go near this snake tree because WHEN you do you will fucking die
>woman goes and lays it

>>133681755
>Well, let me clarify: I believe a flood did occur in the middle east, and it spurned some people to build a boat and try to escape.
I suspect this as well, that the story got exaggerated, that they brought some of their farm animals and that was all there was to it. But maybe we don't have all the facts.
>I'd be interested in reading your refutation of anything by Dawkins.
Actually I picked him because he asserted that our "junk DNA" was evidence for evolution. It turned out that we don't have any "junk DNA." All of it does something. DNA introns are now largely considered mythical.
>Where did I claim I was an atheist?
It was a reasonable assumption, was it not?
>Isn't fighting and dying for religious convictions a BIT more zealous than wearing a fedora and making fun of the clinically retarded on /pol/?
Apparently you aren't aware that the 28 atheist governments of the twentieth century butchered three times more innocent people than were killed in all religious wars and civil wars and other international wars and individuals crimes combined. You can say, "That had nothing to do with atheism," but we both know that's a lie since their primary targets were the religious.

Doesn't the fact that atheists won't even admit their religion is a religion tell you a great deal about their zealotry? The atheists' fedoras are their religious vestments. Agnostics don't get together with a dress code and congratulate each other on how superior they are. They admit they don't know one way or the other.

>>133682538
In an infinite universe all things are possible, what evidence do you have to eliminate this variable ?

And no...you cannot prove all of science; as even the Big Bang theory, requires FAITH that the universe behaves now, as it always did.
Not to mention it is the religious creation myth of Freemasonry, and Jewish mysticism...that the Great Architect made the universe spring into being by saying the Word, Aum.
In addition we know from physics that space and time appear to be illusions.
Even mainstream scientists now agree the universe is a SIMULATION, or HOLOGRAM. Ergo...it had a creator.
Science finally puzzled out what we always knew. Way to go science!! So effective!! Well as they say, getting there is half the fun right?
>>133682767
You don't know that the snake in the middle of the tree of knowledge/life in the Garden of life is DNA? Foolish mortal.

>>133682538
>I am an expert on what a God can and can't do.
You're also too fucking stupid to know that the bible literally lists several things God cannot do. Lying is one of those things.

Your whole argument, which is centuries old and thoroughly worn out, rests solidly on your lack of knowledge of the subject you are debating. This means you don't actually HAVE an argument.

Now that has to be embarrassing.

>>133682992
>tree of knowledge/life
Or
>tree of death/life
I don't call it DNA I call it seed. And they are two very different trees. Trees usually symbolise bodies in there

You all still haven't even addressed the point of why the Bible is true yet the Qu'ran, Torah, or any texts from other religions aren't. Hindu religious texts also speak of a great flood and an ark. That would imply that a HINDU was the one who built the ark. Either that, or Noah wasn't the only survivor, or the only ark.

There are plenty of religious texts from other religions. What makes the bible so special?

>>133683186
Why aren't you sacrificing your son for any greater good? Stop crying. All your examples can apply to anything else we want to bitch about. Pascal's wager is an easy rebuttal for me and faith MEANS lacking evidence

>>133683125
Google the seal of the department of education...tell me what you see.
>>133683186
It allows man to be free, and does not force this belief on others, and because it is closest to what Jesus actually said.
Had we listened to Jesus, who warned us about Jews, and currency manipulation....we ver would have been in this position.
When Jesus whipped the money changers, it was because people had to pay to get into temple, another thing Jesus changed, and said fuck the Old Testament, and your temples. The Bible says, Wherever two gather in my Name, there too, am I.
You don't even HAVE to go to ANY church. Just worship and keep the Sabbath (Shabbat/SATURDAY NOT SUNDAY) Holy.
Any how these people had to trade to get into temple at a loss, the exact amount to get in, was the EXACT weight of the most common ROMAN silver piece. 15% f Roman elite at the time were JEWISH. Sound familiar? You have to use our money, if you want in? Think Petro dollar.
Jesus prophesied Jews taking over the world, with currency manipulation 2,000 years ago, mark of the beast etc.
He did this when Judea was a tiny conquered nation, hated by EVERYONE, how the fuck did he do that? All you atheist fucks?

>>133683435
How are you showing me im wrong here?

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>>133665810
>permits
hmm, can you show me a verse that says "rape all you want!" or "beat your slaves to death, doesnt matter they're you're property lololol"

and don't even try to bring slavery into this, biblical "slavery" was basically indentured servitude (to pay off debts), and your master had to let you go after 7 years.

>morals
no you have morals because thats how you saw other people acting, but without God there's literally no reason to have morals. Evolutionarily rape is advantageous because you have more offspring, God tells you not to do that, not being a """""human being"""""

>talking about something you've never read
shill harder, i enjoy your tears

>>133683516
I did not bother as wtf you said was so fucking dumb.

>>133683186
>There are plenty of religious texts from other religions. What makes the bible so special?
I think you don't really understand what you are talking about. I think you assume that either every single thing in the Koran is right, or else every single thing in it is wrong. I don't think you would accept that same kind of bullshit fallacy about a science textbook. Science textbooks are riddled with errors.

If you were here to be honest, you would discard the 99% of ideas in all the religious texts you named that conflict with each other. The debate then is about the remaining 1%.

So let's see if you have any fucking clue what you're debating. Can you SPECIFICALLY tell me what major things the Koran says that you know are in direct conflict with things the bible says? Not stupid shit like the name of God.

I think you can't. I think you're fucking clueless. And moreover, I think if you could, you would understand why I have more faith in the biblical story than the story in the Vedic texts, for example.

>>133683597
No you try and make the serpent sound like a book. Well, court jester, as Trumpy as we want to get we're all fallen idiots who know fuck all so I stick with non books for trees examples. It was vaginas

>There's zero evidence proving the existence of god
reddit is that way, stupid kid

>>133683714
See? Fucking dumb af....you think I mean actual trees, or a book somehow. Too stupid to talk to. Your point is dumb af to begin with.

>>133665810
You are a product of the culture you grew up in. If you grew up in the jungle with no other influence, who knows what you would be like. You have some vestiges of Christian morals and ethics already.

>>133683838
Say more man. Go ahead. Show us how im so retarded or you are more right. Look up heteropaternal superfecundation while you're at it. Maybe what the Bible says about getting into the 144,000. Don't you anything about the memes of virginity as seen in sept 23 threads and etc etc? Fertility cults are everywhere. Why are you having kids if Christ is returning? Stuff like this.

>>133682538
Those are some really good questions. Many I have found a good answer to and many still persist for me, just like they do for you. But my study of the genome was the breaking point for me. At that point I put my faith in him.

Bible does not allow slavery. You are reading a poor translation. God's law (Torah) actually says slavers are to be put to death.

>eternity in torment in hell.

Not scriptural - I posted a video above that explains this. It is simply not found in the bible. Catholicism invented it.

>Not to mention that the bible allows slavery, says that women must obey men at all times and have basically no rights, and other abhorrent things that we all agree are not compatible with any decent society.

Women's reproductive rights (daughters, wives) are controlled by men, it is true, but they are much more free than you are giving. Society looks like it is about to unravel no that we no longer honor that.

>He would know before we were born if we were going to hell or not.

So you are saying free-will does not exist?
Let me put it to you in mathematics terms:
Infinity plus 100,000,000,000 = infinity.
When you attempt to apply logic to an infinite, then it breaks down. Thus, you cannot know the mind of God and cannot judge its validity. Do I believe that God knows what I am going to do before I do it? Sure. But I don't. I have free will and I believe my life choices affect my life. You cannot reduce God's mind to a question. Here is another: Is God so great that he can make a rock so large He cannot life it?
The answer is just as absurd as the question: He would make the rock and then lift it.

God is limited in that He cannot sin. But sin is a bigger question than you asked but is at the heart of your questions.

Do you believe in sin? If not, then it is hard to relate (no offense).

>>133670221
>pic
lmao mfw people don't know basic theology

God is loving, but not all-loving, he's bounded by his own characteristics, which include justice and holiness, which is why he punishes people, he literally cannot tolerate to be in the presence of sin. That's why he can't forgive someone for not believing in Him, because they're still corrupted with sin. It's also why hell exists - punishment that appeals to God's sense of justice

>>133683976
How does one eat knowledge? Yes we cleave to people and yes certain groups get only earthly marriages. But you dont eat fruit and become wise. You can eat snake penis though

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>>133663534
>Why is /pol/ filled with religious shills nowadays?
Because it's the easiest method to D&C the board.

/thread

>>133671968
>all you have to do is say God gave you a message to tell the masses

a lot of modern Christians don't believe prophets "happen" anymore, so your point is invalid, since the bible was finalized in Revelation (ie, you cant just add whatever you want to it and claim its a (((divine message)))

>>133684012
>Bible does not allow slavery. You are reading a poor translation.
They used the same word for servant as for slave, unfortunately, so it is often mistranslated. I've never understood how libtards can read Exodus 21, the part about if your "slave" wants to stay, pierce his ear (ouch!) and retain him, and fail to understand that the world "slave" can't be the right translation because SLAVES DON'T GET TO CHOOSE TO STAY OR LEAVE. A servant, however, who was indentured and has paid his debt, does get such a choice. Servants, not slaves.

>>133683976
Superfundication. What the fuck is that ?

>>133678153
It ends the cyle of being and you will be one with reality

>>133684153
>But you dont eat fruit and become wise.
Are you literally this stupid? It's called synecdoche or else metaphor. "The police told me to put down my arms, but they are attached, so I didn't do anything and they shot me, those bastards!!!"

Fucking kill yourself.

>>133683976
The 144,000 deals with the tribes of Israel only. That out of all the Jews, only 144,000 will make it into heaven.
There is no list of how many non-Jews will be saved.
144,000 sounds like a lot to me. For them anyhow.
Other than this your comment is too dumb to respond to. IDC wtf other people THINK the Bible means.
>>133684319
Partly true:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

>>133684624
Arms are weapons, retard

>>133666060
>Religion is just another easy way to assert your moral superiority
The Abrahamic demon-gods can only assert evil as their moral compass

I'm a scientist
I don't know very many religious scientists, although honestly it doesn't come up much.
I myself don't think a god is necessary but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
It is also really not an important question in my life, so I guess have at it, religious people

>>133684452
>>133682538

Yep.
"Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." - Exodus 21:16

http://biblehub.com/exodus/21-5.htm

Notice how slave and servant are both translated. The word is "servant" in these passages. Servants were actually treated like family.

>>133684624
Synecdoche, a $100 word encased in $5 logic

>>133679112
the world was perfect (no entropy, corruption, etc) so plants didn't need food/sunlight

also light existed before the sun (emanating outwards from God)

>>133684800
We had an MD on here earlier arguing against you earlier, so i guess there is no scientific consensus, is there ?

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>>133666644
>then cease to exist.
I try to look for common ground.

When theists die they become like their gods.
In a way, so do atheists.
Because when we die, we no longer exist - just like their gods.

>>133684488
When one woman has twins from fucking once and then fucking another man for her second fuck
>>133684624
Not what goes in mouth that defiles but what comes out of it

>>133684666
Hi 666 guy. You ignored the "defiled with women, are virgins" part

>>133682538
>bible allows slavery, says that women must obey men at all times and have basically no rights
I thought you said you read the bible a couple of posts ago, you are confusing submission with slavery.
>we all agree
This is /pol/, not your hugbox, no1 rational agrees with what you are arguing for

>>133685202
You are lucky I responded to any of your retarded shit.
I have a feeling you are even more retarded from hearing the truth, then you were before. You believe your dumb shit even more now. I won't continue wasting my time. No one gives a fuck about the shit you are talking about.
(Science and atheists now have a sky daddy too)

None of this is real. It's all a lie. We're troll's trolling troll's trolling troll's trolling troll's while being trolled by troll's. It's all pointless. We're born. We waste time. We die. The end.

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>>133674841
>Actually the fidelity of the Bible is quite astonishing.
Astonishing as in "nobody could possibly fall for this literal shit-stain of nonsense" astonishing or something else?

The bible is full of contradictions, falsehoods, craziness and hallucinations. The Macabees had some 200 different versions when the Romans discovered the Septuagint and re-wrote all the Jewish adulterations.

>>133685222
Athiests like to think we always had electricity and abortion clinics. The world was a very different place for humans for the majority of our existence. Let the electricity go oit for a month and see if post modernism is a workable philosophy.

>>133663534
>waaaaah Hell!
Atheists are pathetic, they unblinkly accept the idea of utter annihilation upon death and a life without meaning which are some of the most horrifying things a mind can contemplate in my opinion, and some of them even go so far as to say consciousness itself is an illusion, yet the entirely rational idea that their might be CONSEQUENCES for their immoral actions, an idea that is perfectly in line with observed reality drives them to despair.

Utterly revolting creatures.
Worse than Jews.

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>>133685658
>The bible is full of contradictions, falsehoods, craziness and hallucination
>citation needed

>>133684996
That is a good explanation that I have not heard before. I however, believe in a literal 7 day creation week. The word they use in Hebrew is "day."

The basics question is if God exists, He could have made it in a microsecond if He wanted. I am sure if you watch many of the lectures by Kent Hovind, you will see some interesting and often compelling arguments for a young earth (6000 years or so). Otherwise we would not find soft tissue in dino-bones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji2cvuJ1mYg

But if you really must know, Jesus was an Essene, and Essen priests did not have sex, or masturbate. These commandments were meant for the PRIESTHOOD Jesus was training to spread His word, these commandments were NEVER meant for everyone....only those striving to Commune with God, out of purity. do these things, and the 144,000 are the Jews who did these things, and kept the Word of Christ. Understand now fagboy?

>>133685497
>become wise
>fear their genitals
>cursed by their wombs

>>133685033
Truth is never a consensus. Science is not the search for "truth." It searches for fact. Theology and philosophy search for truth.

>>133685883
You sound like why I'm not under the OT laws. NT says words. I follow them. Why did He not come of a whore? Because He was TO BE an "Essene"?

>>133685883
revelation is the future theres nothing in revelation that isnt the future

>>133677383
>There are a LOT of negative incidents with atheists.
Non-religious government did not kill because they had no gods. They killed to prevent bloodthirsty religions with bloodthirsty gods from taking over.

And the Chinese were atheist BEFORE there cultural revolution. Taoism and Confucianism are both religions without gods. So your dis-infograph is already telling lies, just like you.

>>133686067
If you don't know Jesus was raised as an Essene, and this flavored His teachings. then you are dumb af. You even have the opportunity to google it now, and see if Jesus' teachings match up....but you won't.
(You sound like you make no sense. Trying to understand your stupidity is actually giving me headache)

>>133686273
Yeah, Revelations is talking about the FUTURE judgement of Jews...wtf is your point retard? Do you just like making stupid points?

>>133685992
Xx and xy chromosomes are fact, yet many say it is a cultural, construct. Science shows that races differ on intelligence but the left says it is racist and thus not true. You atheists and leftists followma dogma and in fact are aslo a religion. Eat shit faggitz !

>>133685658
>Macabees
not Scriptural. Historical at best.

>200 different versions when the Romans discovered the Septuagint and re-wrote all the Jewish adulteration's

The evidence in the Dead Sea scrolls proves this is actually not the case. Modern day King James and other translations are identical (or nearly identical) to those documents that pre-date the Roman empire. Now the Latin Vulgate? It's still 99.9% exactly like the Dead Sea scrolls but there was some changes that are pretty bad. Many modern translations are also trash. you have to make over 2000 changes to patent a bible in a modern version. Many of those changes are meaningful, but overall, no book in history has displayed the amount of ancient copies (over 2000) for the time period, or the fidelity. The only manuscript that can even be compared as a contemporary of the bible is Homers Iliad and that only has 9 ancient manuscripts. The bible is truly unique in all manuscripts in all of history as far as it's fidelity.

>>133686400
being a virgin and following the lamb withersoever he goeth is the epitome of being a godly christian even if you arent one of the first fruits

>>133686296
So officially atheist Communism never killed anyone?
This fella has an odd view of history eh? It is almost like all he is doing is virtue signaling, and does not even know wtf he is on about....but that could not be true...he is an atheist...they search for fact.
>>133686523
Possibly. But people who create new souls to worship God, must be pretty special too.

>>133686324
Ill stick with what He said about born eunuchs and the Centurion's slave. And the Ethiopian eunuch. Over your stuff about fake jews. Nobody wants your old book. He covered it all and contradicted nothing. Too bad for you. There's nice pro gay parts in OT too but people are too stupid, further backing me up. Jews organise thru females. No Jew nor Greek male nor female in Him. Can't you see how all you do is whine like a Yid and all I do is repeat after Christ? Show me where He said He was one, directly. And not a liturgical lesson on this. Part of the whole "ignore what semite means; where ashkenazi come from; and how we changed the word Judean to say Christ was one of us or inferior to us" narratives. Gag. You talk about headaches? Im glad. You make me puke

>>133685883
That is not true:

"There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.” - Exodus 12:49

One law for all people for all time. The law is eternal. And all of Jesus' disciples obviously didn't get the message because most of them had wives. The celibacy thing is a pagan invention and a way for Catholics to keep wealth within their organization.

>>133686688
WRONG!

>>133686732
Nope. All the fertility cults are super fucked and you propagate them

>>133685775
It's amazing how they trot out the "woman marries her rapist" law as if it's inconceivably cruel, when in reality a raped woman in antiquity would have a profoundly difficult time finding a husband, would have a very difficu;t time escaping the "the whore was asking for it" rumors, and God help her if she conceived a child because of that rape. She has to marry SOMEONE to help her raise that child, and pay for their upkeep. It may as well be the rapist.

Just goes to show it never pays to help roasties. They'll only come to despise you for it.

>>133686443
I agree with you. I do believe in a 100% truth, but there will never be a consensus until YHWH returns with His son Yeshua. I think you got me mixed up with someone else.

>>133686732
>The celibacy thing is a pagan invention


1 Corinthians 7:8-9
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

1 Corinthians 7:37-38
Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. 38So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

1 Corinthians 7:32-34
But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 33But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. 34There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

>>133686702
See? A fucking retard.
>>133686732
This is Exodus...racist ass Jewish supremacist BS. That Jesus utterly refuted. The OT is not the NT.
>>133686749
You follow the Kabbalah....you fool no one Jew-fag.

>>133682902
>Apparently you aren't aware that the 28 atheist governments of the twentieth century butchered three times more innocent people
You fell for a lie. Most of the dead under Stalin died of famine and disease.

And what so-called "gods" did the Chinese worship before Mao? Confucianism and Taoism? They have no gods. You're a liar and idiot and you're not even bright enough to know it.

>You can say, "That had nothing to do with atheism,"
Stalin was a former Russian Orthodox seminary student who knew the church was going to try to coronate another Tzar. It's because of the church's active role in treason, sedition and plotting to violently overthrow the Soviet government that cost many clergy their lives.

>but we both know that's a lie since their primary targets were the religious.
All we know for certain is that you're an idiot and a liar

>>133686801
I guess God did too:

"And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
- Genesis 1:28

Fertility is a beautiful thing if it is between a man and a woman for life. It is perverted and twisted and distorted by the Pagan religions, because they want to destroy the blessing that God gave by taking a husband/wife. Satan had to do this because love with another is one of the greatest tangible examples that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

>>133686902
Look at Paul's audience. Context, context, context. Corinth was the worst of the worst when it came to sexual debauchery. Paul was warning Corinthians about Corinthian women, who were almost all corrupted by pagan sun-god worshiping sexual rites. Paul would have said something different to a group who were no so gripped by the depth of sexual sin as the Corinthians.

>>133687300
sorry but having sex with a women is a defilement only necessary to bring children into the world. theres no sex or marriage in heaven we will be as the angels

Revelation 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

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>>133682992
>And no...you cannot prove all of science; as even the Big Bang theory, requires FAITH that the universe behaves now, as it always did.
You must be extremely ignorant of cosmology of you imagine that science holds that view of the inflationary theory.

>Doesn't the fact that atheists won't even admit their religion is a religion
It's not a "fact. Atheism is not a religion. It's understandable that you think atheism is shit and religion is shit, therefore atheism is a "religion, but it non-belief is analogous to bald being a hair color. It isn't. Most people with IQs over 60 can figure this out.

>The atheists' fedoras are their religious vestments
The theists started it. Pic related.

>>133687010
Youre garbage
>>133687142
Satan did it because woman did not receive the breath of life into the nostrils and was not of the ground. This is why Adam tills the soil now. That used to be serpent's job. Men have agape love. Be fruitful is a blessing and a curse. Not all animals procreate but received same thing just not to fill it. Adam had to fall with her. Spiritual fall was Lucifer (an angel) and physical one was her sexually with Adam after she passed it to him. How did she pass knowledge to him? Was she now the serpent? No

>>133687436
Close. It's a temporary fix probably not for the new creation. For their own corruption. Christ blessed the barren
>>133687300
You called them fags instead

>>133686902
Besides if you asked Paul, who had all of God's laws memorized, who was greater than He, He would say Moses was (and of course Yeshua). Paul basically quotes Moses everywhere He goes. He was worried that if men or women in Corinth took a wife of the peoples there, they would be very likely to commit adultery on them. It was a specific letter to the Corinthians. Just like Galatians was for the Galatians.

Moses had god speak directly to Him and Jesus said that man "Does not live by bread alone but by EVERY word from the mouth of God."

>>133686443
>You atheists and leftists followma dogma and in fact are aslo a religion.
The greatest trick the Atheist ever pulled was conning the world into thinking that religiosity directly correlates to the number of gods worshiped. As if Hindus are 30,000,000 times more religious than Muslims because they have that many gods and Muslims only have one!

The sly devils even hint at their religious nature, when they throw out that old canard;
>"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do."
If the religious man is an atheist too, what exactly makes the atheist man not also religious?
Absolutely nothing.

>>133687443
Science holds all kinds of views. but since you atheist faggots lump all religious people into one group, we are able to do the same with you. You made the rules, I just followed them.
Atheism is a religion. Only people who don't know wtf the definition of religion is, thinks otherwise.
>>133687462
See? Kabbalah Jew. They really believe this too. That being a faggot is holy somehow.

>>133687708
You're capitalising a lot of odd things and not capitalising God

>>133687010
>This is Exodus...racist ass Jewish supremacist BS. That Jesus utterly refuted. The OT is not the NT.

I think you are confusing Talmud with Torah. Torah is what Jesus lived and breathed. He obeyed all of it because if He did not, He would be a sinner and not the savior. Talmud is what Jesus fought against (it was the oral law at His time).

"If Jesus lives in you you ought walk JUST as He did."

That walk is Torah.

>>133685833
>citation needed
Talking serpents.

You lose.

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>>133687708
>34There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

>34There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

what dont you understand about that , thats a message to all of mankind.

you are automatically less holy and devoted to god if you have a wife

god prefers virgins thats why the firstfruits are virgins who follow the lamb wherever he goes who were not defiled with women

Revelation 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

gtfo you liar

its not just the corinthians

>>133687807
No you guys just lie all the time and organise thru women. You even say the symbol of the G is an asshole. You say serpent seed implies homo which is a crock. You say lucifer was attracted to her because he's a male. And not because she is inherently womany. Stuff like this. How could you possibly read somebody's thoughts on serpent seed and call them a kabbalist? Your whole "bit" is enlightenment. Knowledge. Youve been fighting me on this for too long now. It's vaginas and fuck off

>>133687010
Watch this for context brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=347to413eVU&

>>133687905
Angels

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>>133663534

This argument is severely autistic and shows gross misunderstanding of christianity.

God, if he exists, is the pinnacle of justice/good. If you refuse to obey the creator, then you are, by definition, evil and deserve punishment. What is so hard to understand about this?

>>133687885
Yeah I was a bit confused. But the verse you refer to is the law of MAN, not the laws of God.
The OT says only Jews can be Jews and follow the laws of God.
>>133687976
Because you are. You are a Kabbalah Jew. I am enlightened through God, and only God. You are a follower of Satanism...regardless if you know it or not.

>>133687436
Those are the 144,000 that come about at the end of time and they are exactly what they are said to be - virgins. Churches all think they are part of this 144,000 but fail the criteria. They will follow these 144,444 in the second exodus (so great the first will not come to remembrance).

>sorry but having sex with a women is a defilement only necessary to bring children into the world

So God commands us to defile ourselves when He says "Be fruitful and multiply."?

Wew lad.

>>133687905
The hilarious part is I bet you believe in aliens.

>>133688122
What about His Son? I don't like attributing "light" of any kind or that certain word. Enlightenment. So stacked and obvious. You cant fucking deal. Im humble. Have great and logical points and showing holes in yours. I still say i know nothing. You say you know everything but still defile yourself like an idiot

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>>133686688
>So officially atheist Communism never killed anyone?
The Soviets (who weren't communists in any literal sense) killed political traitors who happened to be ideological clergy.

If you "graduated" high school, you'd probably know this.

>virtue signaling
Christianity protecting the rapists of children is a vice-signaling, isn't it? Congratulations on your immoral relativism.

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>>133667688
>those video comments

>>133688146
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>>133663534
Religion=/=God

Laymen have always been heretical in their beliefs. A perfect example to that would be the Church's (Catholic) fear of the translation of the Bible to other languages. Where laymen can read it for themselves and interpret it however they please. God is eternal, religion is the construct of man. God is without flaw. Man is with flaw. Anything created by man therefor is flawed. Ergo religion is flawed. The most ridiculous thing I find is when people think that God performed something for them. God is impartial, devine, ethereal , and ephemeral, devilish, and everlasting. We are his. I try to understand what that means.

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>>133688146
god said be fruitful and multiply to adam and eve! to kick start the human race!

as a christian in modern era he would prefer you stay a virgin unless you literally cant contain yourself and it causes you to sin

>38So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

>doeth better

Both sides of this argument are basically between religious literalists (dumb) and anti-religious literalists (also dumb). When you start to treat Christianity and organized religion as a whole as a means of conveying symbolism and metaphor, that's when things get more interesting. The sole function of religion is comprehension of one's own mind. Sure, it's also used to gain power--but that's just human nature for you. You don't have to be religious to use religion as a weapon. If you haven't done your due diligence and done religious study across multiple religions then you're no better than the hick evangelical that follows every part of the bible literally. Almost every major religion points to the same endgoal or experience. If you want to see what religion is without all the extraneous shit attached, check out the mystic traditions or basically anything that requires contemplation/meditation of some sort. Christianity has phased out the contemplation aspect for the most part in lieu of 'prayer', but most people do that the wrong way obviously

>>133687462
The Serpent was cursed to "eat of the dust all the days of his life." Dust is symbolic of death and Lucifer certainly "eats" (is sustained) by leading men into death (where they return when they die) What causes this is sin. The wages of sin is death (except for Salvation through Christ). Transgression of God's eternal and holy law is what constitutes sin (actually it is the DEFINITION of sin):

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." - 1 John 3:4

You are really misinterpreting a lot of what was said in Genesis bro... BTW, you do know that homosexuality is a sin, and one that specifically prevents you from the kingdom... If your flag is legit, I hope one day your heart changes to righteousness - it is never too late to turn back the Father by the example of the Son.

God also commanded that the serpent would from then on be cursed to slither on its belly. Which means it did something else before this.
There are stories of flying serpents on all continents, and even the Bible...why is this so hard for people to accept?
>>133688272
Christianity does not protect them...that is sinful ass humans.
And by your retarded logic I would only have to come up with some instances of atheists molesting and lying for their friends, for this to be true about your group as well.
IDC if you think they were Communist or not...they were definitely atheist. So is Communist China...so is the majority of Israelis...That's one heel of a basket to put yourself in willingly my retarded friend.

>>133681843
Yeah alright I believe you fucking lebbit faggot. Anyone who dislikes Varg is from fucking T_D and/or a race mixing piece of shit. I fucking hate nu/pol/ full of christcuck pieces of shit that deflect everything and hate on people they just found out because they said one minor thing that hurt there FEE FEEs. Worships a literal JEW and says hes not even though tis posted about a god damn million times yet lie to themselves about it making up insane fucking /x/ tier denials about jesus not being a jew. GO BACK TO /X/ or GB2/LEBBIT YOU FUCKING RETARDS.

>>133688530
Go back in your grab ems time machine there Freud. Completely anachronistic moron. Im tired. Im about to go work my 15th shift in a row. Go away

>>133684838
>steals
Do you understand this? If you are taking a shit in the field and someone comes trying to fucking enslave you they will burn in hell. However if you buy them from someone its OKAY and you must listen to your master.

>>133687972
Loads of literal race mixing christians. It wouldn't suprise me if all this christian retards are non-whites too.

>>133687770
>The greatest trick the Atheist ever pulled was conning the world into thinking that religiosity directly correlates to the number of gods worshiped.
You're lying. I'm an atheist and I've never heard of that in my entire life.

>If the religious man is an atheist too,
The belieber of Abrahamic gods does not believe in Zeus, Ra, Jupiter, Odin or any of the other gods. That non-belief has a name.

>what exactly makes the atheist man not also religious?
One you truly free yourself of superstitious nonsense, fairy tales, legends, myths, fiction, fantasies, fabrications and other religious nonsense, you can call yourself a rational man. Until then, you're just an adult with the mind of a child.

>>133688633
Clicks on thread about Christianity and religion, then gets butt hurt about the subject.
It's because they lost the argument. Mission passed 100% you guys.
You are a SUPER-JEW!!
https://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U

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>>133688458
You need to visit a monastery my friend. I don't know of Catholicism and it's Monastic Order, but I know the East Orthodox Church has a thriving Monastic Order in the Balkans and a burgeoning one in the States.

>>133687811
If i capitalized "God" I would write YHWH.

>>133688936
So when are you gonna stop believing in the religion of Freemasonry, while being too dumb to know you do?

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>>133687807
>but since you atheist faggots lump all religious people into one group
Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. On one side put BELIEF, on the other put NON-BELIEF.

Yep, all you nonsense-beliebers are on the same side.

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>>133688949
You shouldn't be allowed to post this shit on old/pol/ and /new/ shit like this would get you banned because mods actually did shit. Now we have fucking Christians that think its alright to post 10 different christcuck threads.

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>All Christians Are Cucks
http://archive.is/X8Tqk

>All Christians are Cucks #2
http://archive.is/iFGqR

>All Christians are Cucks #3
http://archive.is/J3Y6Z

>All Christians are Cucks #4
http://archive.is/pBMGf

>All Christians are Cucks #5
http://www.renegadetribune.com/christians-cucks-3/

>Cucktianity: What Is A Covenant
http://archive.is/Fdsxo

>Cuck Identity
http://archive.is/qQPMf

>Cuck Identity #2
http://archive.is/ICpaJ

>Indoctrination
http://archive.is/RgZOY

Synagogue of Satan debunked
https://youtu.be/xOsWq87OsNE

>Why do people care about berating an increasingly irrelevant religion anyway?
Because they're not irrelevant. They actively fund and even run many of the boats coming from Africa to Europe.

http://www.savethechildren.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=8rKLIXMGIpI4E&b=9357115&ct=14921495

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-boat-rescue-charities-medicins-sans-frontieres-save-the-children-mediterranean-sea-migrants-a7699571.html

https://www.savethechildren.net/article/save-children-brings-300-refugees-and-migrants-safety-search-and-rescue-capacity

Steven Anderson on race-mixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3ccSJtJXA
"Interracial Marriage" Baptist Preaching (independent, fundamental, KJV sermon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCVeqvZKt4

>The Jews thought (and think) that they are God's chosen people, but when Jesus came and said: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus", the Jews claimed He couldn't be their Messiah, so they convinced Pontio to crucify Him. Is exactly because Jesus was for all humanity and not only for the Jews that (((they))) killed Him, and since that moment, every nation in the entire globe see Jews as a negative influence to any country they appear in. And with good reason, every Catholic / Christian nation up until Vatican II and some decades before, had prohibition or persecution of Jews.

You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

John 4:31 – In the meantime His talmidim (“students, disciples”) urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
John 3:1-2 – This man came to Yeshua (“Jesus”) by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

John 6:25 – And when they found Him on the other side of the lake, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”

John 4:9 – Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?”…

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>>133687807
>Atheism is a religion.

Our brains and skulls have evolved in ways that strongly promote the ability to reason, however we can "suspend disbelief" to engage in brief flights of fantasy. We needed our imaginations to be able to hypothize and plan ahead. We needed to be able to speculate on the movements of herds, etc. Irrational thinking has some utility for very short periods and our brains are well suited for it. However, we are not meant to suspend our disbelief for long periods of time. Living in delusions and daydreams in the Paleolithic would have been the fastest path to Darwinian death.

Your irrational beliefs for extended periods are having a profound and deleterious effect on your brain's chemistry. Holding mutually exclusive concepts without question or scrutiny creates a harmful cognitive dissonance. The long term strain of this deliberate dissonance damages your ability to think rationally. It even causes insane beliebers to spout patently ridiculous nonsense like, "The universe was created by a magic sky daddy" and "Atheism is a religion", etc.

Atheism is only the non-belief in made-up gods. Any other definition is falsified and a clear symptom of severe brain damage.

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Greater Israel occasionally refers to the Promised Land (defined in Genesis 15:18-21) or to the Land of Israel, also called Complete Land of Israel or Entire Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה, Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah). This is a more accurate translation than “Greater Israel”, which is used in English but has no real counterpart in Hebrew.

"No one in Israel should ever be poor. The Lord your God is giving you this land, and he has promised to make you very successful, if you obey his laws and teachings that I’m giving you today."

"You will lend money to many nations, but you won’t have to borrow. You will rule many nations, but they won’t rule you."

The bible is quite pro jew. (((Yahweh))) promises the jews GREATER ISRAEL FFS

Turn the other cheek is mistranslated/misinterpreted meme: This is not true whatsoever. There are MANY (too many to list) verses in the Bible that are anti-European and anti-Aryan.
>When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)
>Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt. (Exodus 23:9)
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

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Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,


When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)

He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. (Deuteronomy 10:18-19)


When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the foreigner. (Leviticus 19:9-10)

Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt. (Exodus 23:9)

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By the time of the New Testament, Israel had become extremely exclusive, largely forgetting her mission to the nations. When the Messiah arrived, however, foreigners were present ( Matt 2:1-12 ). During his ministry, he constantly interacted with them, indicating that God’s love embraced the world ( Luke 17:18 ; John 4 ). A Roman soldier pronounced a eulogy at his death ( Luke 23:47 ). Death broke the hostile powers that caused human divisions ( Eph 2:14-18 ). In Christ there was no longer any important racial, linguistic, or ethnic difference ( Gal 3:26-29 ). Pentecost ( Acts 2 ) reversed the judgment of the tower of Babel ( Gen 11:1-9 ).

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>>133688178
>The hilarious part is I bet you believe in aliens.
The hilarious part is that you fall for nonsense and tell yourself stuff like that.

>>133689100
So when Christians are most hated and murdered group in the world, the most oppressed, we should not be on an anti-PC board?
Also, religion is DEFINITELY a political conversation, you fucking retard.
And this was ALWAYS a Christian thread.
>>133689078
So dumb. Because a sky daddy now exists on both sides of your piece of paper, you Communist faggot.

>>133687972
Ok then why does God command man to be fruitful and multiply? Was he commanding them into sin? That is ridiculous. The Levites were the judges and Sampson was a judge and he took a wife. The Levites would not be a tribe if they took no wives. The temple's of the pagans were monks and "nuns" who denied a wife or husband because they were saving themselves for their God. The All men take a wife if it is within them to do so, lest they burn with desire. Those virgins are for the end times (Jesus refers to children as "the kingdom of God). They are likely boys who are firstborn. Sex is not degrading. It is a gift. I am not saying that not taking a wife is sinful, but if you have desire in your being, then there is nothing wrong with taking a wife. The Scripture is clear on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpGZ_xDtA3I

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>>133689402
>Christians are most hated and murdered group in the world, the most oppressed
HOLY FUCK stop whining. Your shit religion killed a fuckload of whites through history you are just now getting what you deserve. Oppressed like what you did to pagans and still laugh about it? You fucking love that shit. You people deserve all the shit you get even though you aren't getting jack shit from being oppressed its white people on the whole. You only see religion ONLY RELIGION.

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>>133689402
>And this was ALWAYS a Christian thread.
No it fucking wasn't you god damn faggot. This is how I know you are a newfag from fucking lebbit christian threads were only allowed when it related to a youtuber or something a youtuber said outside of that it was hardly posted about at all. If you haven't noticed there are fuckloads of christcuck threads all over NOW. Never before. I think the only shit on /new/ was brother Nathanial.

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>>133688626
>IDC if you think they were Communist or not...they were definitely atheist.
Yes, they were atheist and took active measure to protect themselves from the sedition, treason and plotting of the church. The same church that protected boyars who raped the peasant women, the same church that protected the kulaks who stole land form the men who were conscripted to the Tzar's wars. The same church that kept the serfdom in place for 500 years and prevent the people from getting educated.

In your howling pit of shameless ignorance, you can't imagine the horrors the Christian religion has caused innocent lives.

And you still have not explained the simple Parable of the Talents. Who is the Master?

>>133688178
What's wrong with belief in aliens? Of course they exist somewhere in this incomprehensibly large universe. We can only see a small portion of the universe from earth, and we can't even fathom what we CAN see, let alone what we can't. It's religious arrogance to assume that this universe was created just for us, and that all the stars in the sky (which are too numerous to measure) are just a lightshow for us to look at. I guarantee that there is extraterrestrial life out there, we just can't see it. Statistics would suggest that we are not the only planet to develop life.

>>133688736
People who were severely in debt would appeal to someone to save them from that debt by becoming a servant (mostly so that they could feed their family). Then they would become a servant for 7 years. After that time, they could leave. Servants were treated like family. The servant could choose to stay. At least interpret it right. God is against slavers, and I am sure all the Jewish slave ship owners that brought blacks over here to America made Him angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=347to413eVU&

Just watch this bro.

>>133689070
>So when are you gonna stop believing
When are you going to stop ass-raping children?

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>>133689402
>religion is DEFINITELY a political conversation
No it is not this has been discussed before when moot was asking people what boards should be added. Everyone asked for a religious board because it was not allowed to post your fucking garbage on /new/.

>>133689538
ya theres nothing wrong with having a wife but the bible clearly teaches that virginity and celibacy is superior

god commanded adam and eve to be fruitful and multiple to kick start the human race >>133688324

>>133663534
the bible contradicts itself. the new testaments all loving bullshit was to try to convince jews to not start shit with their roman overlords who were not going to put up with any jewery.... like zero tolerance on faggy jew shit

old testament god is wrath incarnate. like the guy had a short fuse and would likely by modern standards be considered psychotic. you dont like gambling well burning down a entire city sounds reasonable. not judging just saying its a bit extreme like he only has 1 speed and thats light speed

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Christianity is Judaism 2.0 that has simply dropped circumcision and sacrifices to God, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice to God. The rest is pure brainwashing, designed to slowly but surely create a Communist environment wherever Christianity shows up. The Bible itself is the Blueprint of Communism, but in the NT we find all the important “messages” that brainwashed people. Everything you basically hate about Cultural Marxism can be found in the NT :

>>133689538
>Those virgins are for the end times

those virgins are for all times

paul was a virgin because that shows you are more holy before god and more devoted

married people cant accept that people are better than them so they have to say stupid shit like this

the virgins are only better during the end times

lol

>>133689638
No, you only see religion, as I have pointed out atheists have killed more whites than ANYONE, and everyone else too.
I think morons like these, really believe it was Jesus who invented nuclear weapons, and all the tools that brought us to the brink....Oh WAIT THAT WAS YOUR GROUP TOO!!
>>133689638
See? The Christians being slaughtered by Muslims for their beliefs are not heroes...these virtue signaling atheist faggots are. So hilarious.
>>133689845
Yeah they killed millions and millions of religious people ho had no weapons, because they were such a threat. Hahahahah
>>133689924
IDC wtf your so called consensus is you fucking faggot. I am not a conformist like you. Religion is a political discussion...idgaf what anyone else thinks.
>>133689913
Before I start obviously. I am wondering the same about your Satanic religion.

>>133690022
Hahahahaah!

>>133689538
also JESUS WAS A VIRGIN

dont forget that part

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>>133663534
Fucking neck beards kek

>>133690229
What in the fuck are you saying shithead? Christians murdered a fuckload of people and had loads of infighting. They tortured random ass people because they though one person was a WITCH. Seriously fucking kill yourself christians just like atheist are fucking retards but boy do I hate Christians for being so god damn brainwashed by a cult. Specially white Christians.

>>133690256
hehe
http://biblehub.com/luke/3-33.htm
>the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/7-14.htm
>For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah

http://biblehub.com/luke/4-15.htm
>He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
http://biblehub.com/john/1-11.htm
>He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.

His own people aka Jews.

http://biblehub.com/john/4-22.htm
>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Samaritans aka Gentiles.

JESUS WAS A JEW.