Surely they're going to tell the actual story of Dunkirk,

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>>133656065
What is the truth? Gonna need a quick rundown

>>133656065
All the civies will be black fisherman

Nolan doesn't seem blue pilled enough to glaze over the facts and pull a Battlefield 1.

>>133656268
Hitler letting them survive so he can try to make peace with the UK

>>133656268
>>133656400
This basically.
They could have killed them but Hitler allowed them to leave, but warmonger Churchill didn't accept his offering of peace.

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>>133656314
Nothing will ever be as bad as Battlefie-
Oh.

>>133656400
>>133656559
That's literally not what happened, fucking history revisionists. You don't let go entire field armies in the HOPE that peace is going to come of it.

Explain to me how that peace process would go in reality. "You saved our boys, we'll rescind our Jew backed declaration of war." Makes sense. The real reason the Germans didn't attack is they didn't want to risk their Panzer armies fighting against a force that still had equipment ready to fight. Hitler's panzers were overextended and running low on fuel.

>>133656975
Aren't there actual black Nazi's though? You can just pretend to love the game because you get to shoot evil racist Nazi's. They seem to have shot themselves in the foot with this.

>>133656400
>>133656559
wow hitler really was a retard

>>133656065
It's "Muh Ebil Nazis!" propaganda through-and-through.

>Muh brave Churchill!
>Muh brave British civilians!

>>133657235
The leaf speaks the truth.

>>133657235
good points but you're wrong. Hitler let them go, not so that britain would come to its senses and sue for peace but rather he let them go so America would stay the fuck out of the war. remember this is before operation barbarosa and that was hitlers main objective and being at war with the usa at that time would make that totally impossible.
>nb4, yes if hitler captured or killed that army america would have been at war with hitler instantly.

>>133657235
>Force completely surrounded and under-supplied
>One of the best panzer generals on standby to collapse the pocket
>Completely crushed the allied armies up till this point
"We can't beat them just let them go :("

I'll admit I don't know what he was thinking, but I could say the same for a lot of his retarded wartime decisions.

>>133656065

it will completely accurate. this includes the critical moment when the allies liberate nazi death camp dunkirk ii and, with the help of a fleet of jewish fishing boats led by captain schindler, safely led the six gorillion to england while the english soldiers bravely gave their lives during the ferocious einzatzgruppen tank death gas assault on the dunkirk ghettos. bring a tear to my eye just to think about it.

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>>133657974
>Hitler let them go, not so that britain would come to its senses and sue for peace but rather he let them go so America would stay the fuck out of the war.

Wrong.

>>133658169
It wasn't his decision, the reality was the panzers couldn't do anything without heavy losses. Heavy losses German High Command along with Hitler himself felt couldn't be taken on at such a time.

This was before they even conquered the entirety of France. You're also ignoring the fact that the Germans actually DIDN'T stop attacking us, the Luftwaffe had a field day on the beach and the channel.

>>133657974
this is spot on.

>>133658249
>Wrong.
no it really isn't.

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>>133656065
>saw Wonder Woman a couple weeks ago
>expecting MUH PROTO NAZIS for the whole film
>in a refreshing twist, Germans are portrayed as reasonable people, just as tired of sending their young men to die as the British
>German command is even shown discussing the armistice and how there's no point in fighting a war they can only hope to fight to a stalemate right before they're all killed
>Both sides are revealed to have been manipulated by the same third party, who whispers into the ears of weak-willed men and women on both sides to keep the war going
post yfw when a fucking B-tier capeshit film did a more balanced job of portraying Germany in a world war than Dunkirk ever will

>>133656065
I doubt it

>>133658641
It's completely wrong buddy, why else would the Germans go through with their invasion of Britain? A coastal/air invasion of the British mainland had more world-changing implications, and the US still didn't declare war.

It's like you're actually retarded.

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>>133656559
Yeah it was Hitler's generosity that let the BEF escape from Dunkirk and not his fucking stupidity and disastrous micromanaging that did it.

>>133658725
From what I've gathered about WW, the whole point wasn't to kill ze evul Germinz but to prove that humanity is shit and is constantly fighting each other whilst paradoxically wanting peace. It's an endless cycle of war.

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>>133657235
>>133658249
>>133658580
>>133659090

>>133657974
Doesn't make any sense. He could've captured them as POWs and use as bargaining chips in peace talks with Churchill. There's not a single mentioning of Hitler's explicit order to "let them go", but plenty about Wehrmacht overextended supply lines and endangered flanks in May 1940

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>>133659427

>>133659204
Hitler's micromanaging is a meme that only really applies to his efforts to rectify the situation on the Eastern Front. Before 1941 Hitler barely directed his armies to particular places, he left that up to the discretion of his generals.

>>133659415
>I have no reply so here's the same image I post every day

>>133659468
>And here's another

>>133657235
This, they made the same mistake when they invaded Russia by pushing their armor so far in advance of the infantry and stretching supply lines thin.

>>133659090
what invasion? the blitz was not an invasion and was actually very minor. its been exaggerated out of all proportions though. very low casualties. Hitler had to bomb them though as they were bombing germany. but the nation state of britain was under threat of collapse from it so your point is absurd

>>133656065
Well there are no niggers so theres that. Not that ive seen anyways.

None of this is strictly true.

Hitler's policy toward the British was one of annihilation for much of the early invasion - but his tanks were outrunning their supply lines (which were also under attack) and his men were exhausted. As the British withdrew, several large german units paused to consolidate their line and refuel while the Luftwaffe provided air cover and destroyed British/French vehicles ahead. There is evidence to suggest that Hitler furiously ordered faster advances to encircle the British Army entirely so he could blackmail Churchill - but the British rearguard and flanks managed to hold off repeated attacks. Many units actually ahd to be sacrificed entirely to ensure the beachead was protected.

Once Hitler realised that a wide scale evacuation was underway he ordered his armour to push and the luftwaffe to hit the beaches - but they were constantly hampered by British aircraft and AA fire. There is zero evidence to suggest that Hitler was stopping the advance for political reasons - and that doesnt make strategic sense anyway. The opportunity is right there to kill 80% of Britain's standing army and walk straight into Britain. No - Von Rundstedt stopped the armoured advance because he lost 50% of his tanks in the previous 2 weeks.

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>>133657235
>>133658249
>>133658580
>>133659090

>>133659659
>The Battle of Britain was not an invasion and was very minor

hahahahahahaha is this what they teach British youngsters on that retarded shithole island? Christ, kill yourself you unbelievably stupid worm.

>hitler totally drops the ball once more, fucking up shit for his generals
>wehraboos still defend Hitler as SUCH A GENIOUS

Hitler was so bad at Strategy, and with his retarded autistic "EVERY ORDER HAS TO GO OVER ME REEE" and "NO FALLING ABCK EVER; EVEN IF IT COULD SAVE THE SIXTH ARMY" that the brits decided to NOT assasinate him at one point while they could have, because they were afraid someone cappable could become new Führer. And fuck they were right, anyone would have been better then Adolf

>>133659427
lol you think churchill would have cared

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>>133656065
>Surely they're going to tell the actual story of Dunkirk, right?
Yup, useless white officers lead a courageous band of Negros on a do or die mission. But the mission was sidelined when the niggers disobey orders of whitie and liberate a death camp, evacuating 1000's of baby jews with the support of famous American Admiral Tyrone Jamal. Once safe they a party a Mosque inside Westminster Abby
The end

>>133659659
And the point I was making was if the US was going to declare war over the capture of half a million troops, why didn't they declare war when the Luftwaffe came storming over the channel?

The fact was the US wasn't going to declare war if either the troops were captured or if the British lost the Battle of Britain They wouldn't physically be able to mount an attack on Germany from anywhere. Africa would have been stormed of your possessions and the US would be sitting in the wind.

>>133657235
Is that you /his/ ?

>>133659659
>the blitz was not an invasion and was actually very minor.
>very low casualties.

I wouldnt call 32'000 dead, 100'000 injured, and half a million homeless "minor." Half the city was obliterated.

>>133659783
hitler could have taken britain any time he wanted before operation barabrosa. if you are to dumb to understand that i can't help you

>>133659751

Why are the women white? Unless they are Jews or something.

>>133660219
>hitler could have taken britain any time he wanted before operation barabrosa.

stop posting

>>133660219
>hitler could have taken britain any time he wanted before operation barabrosa
He couldn't with the Luftwaffe and he wouldn't have been able to with his non-esitten Navy and troop transports. Stay wrong, dumb bong.

Again what killed the Battle of Britain for the Germans was their true enemy, SUPPLY. HE-111s and BF-109s could only stay over London for a maximum of 20 minutes at the time.

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>>133660219
tell me, abdul, were you born in the isles or did you get imported more recently

>>133659821
Wouldn't really have a choice. Those 200k BEF troops were the core of British military, crucial in training and leading new recruits. Their loss would have knocked Britain out of the war for good.

>>133656065
the Nolan's redpill everything they do. you fucking wait boy.

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>>133660456
radars

>>133660219
>hitler could have taken britain any time he wanted before operation barbarossa.

How would he have handled the British navy? The minefields in the channel? The 300'000 soldiers with tanks and flamethrowers? Not to mention the RAF overhead constantly.

>>133660695
>>133660560
dumb frogposter

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>>133656065

>actual story of Dunkirk

/pol/ unironically believes that the Allies could only escape from Dunkirk because Hitler was a merciful peacemaker and wanted to spare them, and not because Luftwaffe chef Goering was an incompetent fuck who couldnt finish what he had promised.

>>133656065
I hope so, WE need to see native english black men

>>133660004
if the luftwaffe had, say destroyed every major british city then i suppose america would have got involved. but they didn't. 40- 60 thousand casualties. the british killed more than that in hamburg alone.

>>133660695
Which could have been knocked out if there was some more strategic thinking and ability to stay in the air longer.

England is the GOAT of making people think their defeats are great feats of Triumph.

>>133660785
>if the luftwaffe had, say destroyed every major british city then i suppose america would have got involved.
They were physically unable to do this you absolute retard. America if they were going to get involved would have been involved the second the first Luftwaffe plane flew over Dover. But they didn't. They certainly weren't going to come running to help when there wasn't an inch of British soil to land on.

>>133660456
Germanys war engine depended on the rail system and trains. England would have been impossible to conquer for this reason and this is also why the advance into russia collapsed as the russians used different train tracks and germans has to use russian trains or lay new rail to advance, otherwise they would have taken moscow in the first push quite easily.

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>>133660804
at first germans had no idea radars existed afaik

>>133659751
>limp dicks

they never had sex, just put some semen look alike on the girls and took pics

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>>133660785
>>133660219
>Hitler at the same time had the capability to invade the British isles but didn't have the capability to effectively bomb the British isles

I've never seen a poster debate with himself so effectively. He directly refuted his own central point in a matter of minutes. Staggering.

>>133656400
>Hitler letting them survive so he can try to make peace with the UK

Oh look this meme again, lets bomb the beach and rescue boats so they can survive and make it back home again, that'll surely win them over

Idiot

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>Thinking Hitler controlled that decision and not Von Rundstedt - who had lost half his tanks and desperately needed to consolidate.

The German army was in the middle of invading a country you know, its not easy to encircle 300'000 men when there are frenchies and planes shooting the shit out of you and partisans blowing all your shit up.

>>133659415
>>133659468
>>133659526
What a fucking intellectual genius.

>>133660984
Not true, the Germans had their own radar systems that weren't as good as RDF.

>>133661044
my earlier points were that hitler didnt want to take britain.

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>>133661214
I guess he tried to throw us off with the invasion plan and attempted and failed execution of said invasion plan

>>133660993
You know, I'm not even sure when you leaf are joking or not.

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>>133661449
It was just a prank bro

>>133661449
so you think britain could have defeated germany on its own if operation barbarosa never happened and america stayed out.
FUCKING MORON

>>133660583
>Their loss would have knocked Britain out of the war for good.

Their capture maybe, their loss not so much, the Royal and Merchant navies is what Hitler REALLY needed to disable to knock britain out of the war and inturn the allies

A few hundred thousand BEF troops is nothing when you had command of the largest most powerful navy, a capable airforce and a commonwealth populace of around of around 2 billion people

DAILY REMINDER that the Germans had panzer IIIs and would be LITERALLY assblasted by the britbong fleet if they tried to finish them off

>>133661636
That wasn't the argument you were trying to make. Do you want to start again?

Germany wanted to invade and defeat the UK. Hitler thought the USSR was much stronger than they were until the winter war result was known.

After he FAILED the first objective (get command of the air) and learned how weak the Soviet army was, only then did he go after the Soviets.

Common knowledge, I thought. Obviously not...

>>133661729
Let's not forget the Panzer I and Panzer IIs weren't yet obsolete by German standards in 1940. I'm sure a Brit could spit on a Panzer I and destroy it.

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entire thread:

>i get my history facts from hoi 4

>>133661449
i mean is this clown world or what. he defeated and encircled our entire fucking army you seem to gloss over that fact and think britain was somehow important in the war. we'd have got our asses kicked if it wasn't for other factors

>>133656559
>>133657235
>>133656400
What an.....Enigma !

The goldsteinberg fishing boats used nets to clear the mines. Then Seth Berstein took out 85 machine gun bunkers with grenades shaped like dradles.

>>133661968
>asses
>our army

Raj, who do you think you are fooling here?

>>133656065
I hope it's got a diverse cast.

>>133661449

Hitler did not want to focus on Britain that is why muh Blitz was so half assed.
You started the war in the first place

>>133661924
thats where the argument went though. he was acting like germany was incapable of beating britain. but my point is that britain was not a goal of hitlers at all so any victories britain had over them are kind of besides the point

>>133656065

60% of British soldiers killed in this conflict were of Pakistani and Indian decent. My professor Red pilled me on what really went down.

>>133662304
Hitler tried and failed to beat Britain. He couldn't beat Britain without command of the air.

He failed to get command of the air. Not through lack of trying.

>>133656400
>when you lose you win

>>133662439

wrong.

>>133662283
ah yes when we invaded poland

>>133661968
>think britain was somehow important in the war

>The Empire/Commonwealth wasnt important
>Africa wasn't important
>South asia wasn't important
>Southern Europe wasn't important
>Control of European airspace wasn't important
>Control of the Atlantic, Mediterranean, Arctic, African and South Asian waters wasn't important
>A merchant navy accounting for over 2/3rds of the entire worlds shipping wasn't important
>Sinking Bismark, Tirpitz, Sharnhorst etc etc etc wasn't important
>Cracking Enigma wasn't important

wew
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lad

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ENLIST NOW, WE NEED YOUR HELP

GET IN HERE

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>>133661038

>>133661038

>>133659090
just shoot yourself in the head next time instead of the foot

>>133662651

kek

>>133662651

>Germany started WW1 because it helps its allies
>Britain did not start WW2 because it helps his "allies" via blanco guarantee

really made me think

>>133656400

No he let them survive because he feared a repeat of the Marne and wanted to give full priority to knocking out the French forces South of Dunkirk.

>>133662640
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

Göring's directive issued on 23 August 1940 ordered ceaseless attacks on the aircraft industry and on RAF ground organisation to force the RAF to use its fighters, continuing the tactic of luring them up to be destroyed, and added that focussed attacks were to be made on RAF airfields.

On 7 September, a massive series of raids involving nearly four hundred bombers and more than six hundred fighters targeted docks in the East End of London, day and night
wow sure sounds like the germans were barely trying , merely pretending to invade

>>133660065
predictable bongs always crack me up
WE GET IT!
YOU WENT TO SCHOOL JUST LIKE ALL YOUR MATES.

When will you faggots realized you are the most lied to populous in the world, barred the germans.
Speaking to a brit is like petting a cat, stroke it correctly it will purr.
BREAK THE CONDITIONING YA WANKA!

>>133659618
Lundendorf pulled this shit all the time in france,

>>133662974
posters like you contribute a lot to /pol/ and threads like this. Where would we be without such stellar contributions?

>>133662640
> wrong

I may have a burger education but in fsirly certain the Nazis never commandeered britain

>>133662863
What is that even supposed to mean? Wanna try refuting what I'm saying? Going to be hard because I actually study these fact-patterns, I don't pull shit from my arse like some faggy history revisionist.

>>133656065
German soldiers have been stopped by the French / Belgian and the RAF, while the British were evacuating. More than one hundred thousand french and belgian soldiers did evacuated Dunkirk, though.

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I think Hitler should of been content with what he had and not invade Poland. He could of developed nukes and destroy the USSR that way.

>tfw there won't be a scene where Hitler chews Goring out

>>133656400
>>133656559
Hess was arrested for trying to reach peace as well.

>>133660751
It was also because hitler was an incompetent fuck who kept meddling in the war when he should not have.
Had he not given the halt order for example he could have captured the british expeditionary force and used them as a barganing chip against the british.

>>133660893
That's the French

>>133660047
He is a leftist cuck so it would make sense.

Reminder to piss on the graves of dead Canadian soldiers

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>>133663947
>I'm a leftist cuck for explaining what happened to Germany during the Battle of France
>You're not a leftist cuck for wanting to piss of the graves of soldiers

Is this bizarro-/pol/?

>>133658580
This.Fucking.Leaf.

>>133656065
Hitler let all the british, french and belgian soldiers go as a good gesture to them and offerd peace to Churchill.

Those traiterous cunts then made it into a world war.

Thanks Churchill you fat drunk fuck

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I read the entire thread and I'm still not smarter about what happened

>if you autists can't come up with a greentext rundown of certain event's it means that it's a really complex topic

>WW2 thread
>Armchair generals with fetishes for Germany try to mental gymnastic their way into getting Germany to win the war.
FACT: The Germans didn't know that the USSR could create thousands of tanks quickly and replace them faster than they could be destroyed
FACT: The Germans failed to realize how effective British radar was
FACT: The Germans never expected Japan to declare war on the USA
FACT: The Germans never realized that France and the British never wanted a prolonged conflict but just wanted to punish Hitler for lying about his territorial claims ending.
Germany walked blindly into a position they couldn't ever win regardless of military victories.

>>133662680
It wasn't
We could have done it all without breaking a sweat.

>Asia
That was us, you guys got your asses kicked by a bunch of 4 foot Japs with paper mache tanks

>>133664226
It's funny how you faggots can't even articulate a retort to what I'm saying.

>>133664363
tell me more about the american armies in Burma , tell me more about what the Burma road was

>>133663941
>Been mocked for almost a century for the battle of France
I mean, not to say the whole thing wasn't terribly embarrassing but you're going overboard with your statement don't you think?

>>133664363
>has to wait till 1943 to do anything of note or value

>>133664373
>implying you posted some real arguments
just leave to leddit, fucking subhuman leaf

>>133656065
Its a Chris "the marxist" Nolan so no.

>>133664631
Well if they're not real arguments it'd be easier to argue against, but you didn't because you can't :^)

>>133664716
nope, not gonna spend my precious time for arguing a fucking delusional leaf who is unable to even form an argument

>>133664363

Kek the Kriegsmarine, Japanese Imperial Navy, and wolfpacks would have sank your shipping before you even left your own waters

Oh wait the USA cracked Enigma didn't they, I saw it in a film once

Idiot

>>133664908
You're the one who's unable to form an argument in this case.

>>133664649
he's the most "redpilled" director in jewrywood

Dark Knight saga is like the modern bible

>>133664921
>IJN
Understaffed, underfunded, big fucking meme

>>133665142
>Understaffed, underfunded, big fucking meme

Far more staffed and funded than your navy was in 1939, 1940, 1941 and 1942

>>133656065
chris nolan is actually a good director so it'll probably be the actual story with some dramatization ofc

>>133664994
said the fucking leaf

(you are an endless source of fun, gotta give credit for that)

It actually seems that there is no agreed upon reasoning as to why the advance was halted, yet it is always entertaining to observe those who denounce "racist neo-Nazi bias" obfuscating history apply their own theories as being "objective", assuming that there is no bias in their conclusion, either.

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>>133659865

>>133665976
>yet it is always entertaining to observe those who denounce "racist neo-Nazi bias" obfuscating history apply their own theories as being "objective", assuming that there is no bias in their conclusion, either.

You know what's more entertaining? Listening to people say "If you let your enemies go, you win" despite having no basis in reality or logical thinking.

Who funded the Nazi's!?!

Joos?

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Why ANOTHER god damn WWII movie?

It's the mother fucking period of the 100 year anniversary of world war one but there isn't a single fucking piece of entertainment to commemorate it besides that shit fest of BF1.

Why?

>>133656065
As long as a shit ton of dead anglos then all is good.

>>133656268
Fuck you Newfag, but at least I can live my Autism out by your disability to use the powers of Google,Wikipedia and YouTube.
In Summer 1940 the Wehrmacht ( Name of German Armed Forces from 1935 to 1945) started "Fall Gelb" (Case Yellow), the Invasion of France.
The Plan was that of a German General(Erich Manstein or Gerd Rundstedt, I am not exactly sure which one), Hitler used it and proclaimed it as his idea.
Anyway, the Operation would go through the Netherlands, where motorised Units took the flat lands while Fallschirmjäger(German Name for paratroopers) took the fortified penninsula of Holland and cut off Belgium from Nehterlands by jumping of in between the not established supply lines, all this was done to avoid timeloss like in WW1 and prevent trench warrfare as much as possible, even though it was expected to happen, Maginot Line in Elsaß-Lothringen in France was avoided.
The other half of the army would go through the Ardennes,the Point where allied troop are the weakest and not really bound together,most of the French Motorised or Armoured Divisions where fighting in Belgium, Brits were there too,but movement was rapid&never stopped (Germans took drugs to stay up all night)that they were going through there was surprising the allies,they thought the area had too dense Woods.
At the End they encircled the helpless Anglo-Franco-Belgian force of 370.000 men, almost all decently trained,euqipped and experienced, especially British professional soldiers.
The Germans didn't attack them for several reassons:
>Supply lines were overstretched
>Infantry was not hinking behind,Tank losses were up to 50%,due to the Germans having superior tactics,maneuver and communication, but lacking Quality of firepower and armor like the French mostly had
>The Generals like Rundstedt were acting pretty independently lately and Hitler wanted all to stop, this was an attack to his power, Rundstedt wanted to move his Panzer Korps,others wanted the infantry to follow

>>133666138
At the same time the Leader of the fucking Leafs says "if you kill your enemies, they win". You sicken me and other decent people.

>>133656268
The ONE time during my history degree the Prof wasnt a total faggot Marxist. Basically said that besides invading Russia, Hitler lost the war by not killing the hundred thousand men whos back was to the water at Dunkirk. He had them completely surrounded, but decided to let them retreat hoping Europe would be "given" to him for his generosity and placation. Really makes me sad. Hitler could have killed them all and then taken London at his whim.

>>133666666

For reference

>>133666138
That is one of the hypotheses. Others include the fact that they just chose to wait it out. Perhaps they didn't think they could fight them off. However, like I said, it is interesting to examine half-baked hypotheses, like the two I mentioned above, listed and, rightfully so, dismissed as "we just simply don't know the REAL reason", yet others, yourself included, pass off your half-baked hypotheses because... appealing to a consensus makes it right. So logical and realistic. In reality, the real purpose is up in the air, so just as people claiming it was necessarily generosity could be wrong, so can your assertions, too. It's a double-sided blade, basically.

>>133666430
Take off your faggy flag and just reveal yourself to be the leaf we all know you are.

>>133666441
We got another history revisionist here lads.

>>133666616
incko nee
cad

>>133666648
missed it by that much

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>>133657235
What kind of revisionist history to they teach in hockey land? Run out of gas? He was unopposed and at full strength. He had 400,000 of the queens cucks on the beach getting picked up by lobster boats for gods sake, England was in no position to demand anything.
Hitler wanted a deal with England, when Churchill said "up yours", the blitz was his response.

>>133666616
This isn't a case of "we don't know" we know exactly what happened because it happened to the Germans several times throughout the rest of the war. Overextension beyond their supply lines.

The funny thing about spearheading your attacks with motorized/mechanized infantry and armour is that you're going to be scraping the barrel for oil eventually, especially considering Germany's position of being almost entirely dependent on Soviet and Romanian oil.

>>133666840
>He was unopposed and at full strength.
>in the middle of an invasion of France

That's not how it works. Go back to your WWII paradox games.

>>133659788
>Austria talking shit about Hitler
>88 roll

What am I looking at?

>>133666631
No, I'm not a fucking disgusting leaf pig. I How about you change your flag to something proper? I respect even pure commies more than fucking leafs.

>>133667091
>I respect even pure commies more than fucking leafs.
Probably because you are a commie, you filth.

>>133666902
>This isn't a case of "we don't know" we know exactly what happened because it happened to the Germans several times throughout the rest of the war. Overextension beyond their supply lines.
Certainly would not been the first time a last-ditch effort could have succeeded. They were sitting ducks; you still miss my point. The real purpose as to why they refused is not substantiated: you have just made a claim, now you require evidence. How can we prove the claim false? People claiming it was just to see what would happen with peace have no evidence. You've cited nothing proving the claim and assume it is objectively known, even though the same "anti-revisionists" you appeal to admit that the real reason isn't known.

>>133666840

These are irrefutable facts

If you're a mong with a generic spastification of the brain, that is.

>>133666430

I don't agree with the Leaf fully but you t_d wankstains are an absolute cancer on this place. You aren't arguing anything beyond attacking him for being a leaf, at least dispute what he says.

I know thats a struggle for you kekcunts. You're bottom of the food chain here. I'll still respect a leaf that is proudly cucked by his wifes translesbian muslim mixed race lover.

>>133666336
At least we have Verdun and now Tannenberg to fight for the Vaterland, La Grande Nation, Mother Russia,The British Empire,The US or simply Belgium. Developed by fellow Dutchmen.
We also have the Great War with Indy Neidell, it is entertaining and educating(Their collabs are well too) and the Hötzendorf memes are pretty good.
The rest is inexistent, you are right.
Why can't we have the Regisseurs of Stalingrad(1993),Tora,Tora,Tora! and perhaps some others join together and get some competent newfags to assist, to make some glorious movie showing us how our forefathers fought in WW1, this time with more Nationalism,story behind it,even better actors,historical accuracy and modern film techniques, that would be epic now wouldn't it?
But I guess it will be considered Fascist and Racist anyway.

>>133666902
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk#Halt_order
"The true reason for the decision to halt the German armour on 24 May is still debated. One theory is that Von Rundstedt and Hitler agreed to conserve the armour for Fall Rot, an operation to the south. It is possible that the Luftwaffe's closer ties than the army's to the Nazi Party contributed to Hitler's approval of Göring's request. Another theory—which few historians have given credence—is that Hitler was still trying to establish diplomatic peace with Britain before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). Although von Rundstedt after the war stated his suspicions that Hitler wanted "to help the British", based on alleged praise of the British Empire during a visit to his headquarters, no evidence exists that Hitler wanted to let the Allies escape."
>fucking revisionists and their bias
>my half-baked theory is true and anybody who says otherwise is a revisionist, even the consensus that still debates the issue that I just appealed to

>>133667158
>the fucking leaf is wrong again
BTW I piss on your fucking degenerate flag regularly.

>>133656400
Wrong. Hitler relied on his air Force to finish then off while land diviions were regrouping.

>American GIs in Britain used to say "Gimme a beer quick as you got out of dunkirk
Britcucks

>>133665024
He's a marxist. That doesnt mean he's stupid at all but he's the equivalent to David Leane in terms of film directors. I have no doubt hes a london school style marxist. But a conservative one at that. He's a Christopher Hitchens type marxist. He's defiantly not Peter.

>>133667597
>One theory is that Von Rundstedt and Hitler agreed to conserve the armour for Fall Rot, an operation to the south.
>von Rundstedt after the war stated his suspicions that Hitler wanted "to help the British", based on alleged praise of the British Empire during a visit to his headquarters, no evidence exists that Hitler wanted to let the Allies escape."

One theory is based on reality and the other is based on nothing more than an opinion of one man. You're implication that both can be equally true is completely wrong.

The Panzers were halted due to fear of losing too many of them when they were already overstretched from their infantry and supply. You know what happens where you order your armour ahead of your infantry, you're infantry can't keep up.

Why would armoured divisions go up against roughly two field armies who are still equipped to fight? They wouldn't. The Germans weren't willing to risk the conquest of France over that. They could have been pushed over across the Rhine and WW2 would really have been a Phoney War.

>>133667898

And then they waited a week for their beer

Britain wins again

>>133656065
>Christopher Nolan touched this shit
Are you rertarded or why do you still need sarcasm to realise that this film can't be good?

>>133668185
British gals kept them company tho

>>133657235
>he browses /his/

>>133668132
>One theory is based on reality and the other is based on nothing more than an opinion of one man. You're implication that both can be equally true is completely wrong.
Which theory? How's about you don't selectively quote what is asserted.
"The true reason for the decision to halt the German armour on 24 May is still debated. One theory is that Von Rundstedt and Hitler agreed to conserve the armour for Fall Rot, an operation to the south. It is possible that the Luftwaffe's closer ties than the army's to the Nazi Party contributed to Hitler's approval of Göring's request. Another theory—which few historians have given credence—is that Hitler was still trying to establish diplomatic peace with Britain before Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the Soviet Union). Although von Rundstedt after the war stated his suspicions that Hitler wanted "to help the British", based on alleged praise of the British Empire during a visit to his headquarters, no evidence exists that Hitler wanted to let the Allies escape."
Which one? The same lack of evidence for such a generous claim is also extended to your own assertion: the actual purpose for the order is not known, nor is it known why Hitler revoked the order on May 26. It's a self-refuting argument: we don't know 'x' because there is no real substantial evidence for it from the high command, but we know 'y' for the same reasons.

>>133668132
Your post, however, is based solely on an opinion of a fucking leaf so there's that.

>>133668515

That explains why all our women are ugly, too many american cummies

>>133668727
The purpose to the halt order is obvious as is any other order to halt an attack, the attack could fail or would result in serious losses.

You don't halt attacks for any other reason, including >if you let your enemies retreat, you win.

>>133657249

Yes, but they are actually African nationals so dark as fuck.

Not a latte looking negroes we have here and in the game.

>>133656975
It is insulting this game exists.
There are no Swastikas in there because "The war killed so many People", in between you can Play as Black women in German army.
Also, troops fight in Close quarters combat with no officers and Kenyan Bushmen Raider Uniforms, no actual tactics, just making Money by making some 12 year olds happy that they can kill my Greatuncles friends and comrades.
Literally this isn't worthy to shit, it Insults me, my Nations and EVERYBODY who fought in WW2.
I want CoD developers to pay for this shit and want that they get their financial sourcess blown away, they are commiting fucking crimes against rights like respect of Veterans and goddamn racism, towards Whites,Blacks,Americans and Germans.
Abandon shit, this is Cancer that Needs to be eradicated.
I would even be happy if they made a film about the son of the African Orchestra musician in the Prussian Army who fought in WW2 on the Eastern front and died in 1942 in Kuban(I am not lying look it up) and defended the Swastika and Germany against Bolshevism, it would be fucking good enough.
But no, SJWs have to destroy Video games and any media.

>>133669197
Says the fucking "if you kill your enemies, they win" leaf. You have zero credibility outside of your cucked country, just deal with it.

>>133669197
>The purpose to the halt order is obvious as is any other order to halt an attack, the attack could fail or would result in serious losses.
Again, this is the most comical aspect: for somebody who dismisses what is claimed as "revisionism", you are incapable of actually examining an event outside of your own lens of bias. The point is still going over your head: there is no evidence from the high command as to what the purpose for the order really was. The 'half' itself is self-evident: it is put so as to a halt on the advance. But the entire reasoning behind "why" is still debated because there is no evidence. So your claims to truth, without citations, can be dismissed as, as you say, "revisionism".

>>133656065
Hopefully not.
Also the soundtrack is fucking neato.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VJ39nVIBk

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>>133657235
Google "Belfour Letters" as to why Churchil WANTED this war.

>>133669758
>Again, this is the most comical aspect: for somebody who dismisses what is claimed as "revisionism", you are incapable of actually examining an event outside of your own lens of bias.

It's not bias, purposely letting the British army go makes absolutely no sense. There isn't a shred of evidence to point towards this, and there is nothing logical about doing this.

The two options are, they halted the advance because to do so would have been either A) Disastrous or B) Costly and the other option is they halted the advance because if you let your enemies go, they want to make peace despite declaring war on you.

Those are the two options. One doesn't make sense to anyone but a some faggot on /pol/. There is no debate on this anymore, and if there is like you're saying I'd love to see some of it.

>>133657249
Yes and you can Play as woman, it is even possible to Play as Black Woman in the Wehrmacht. If they continue doing this bullshit I may start believing that Albanian troll on /pol/ is right for calling me cigan and nigger, my ancestors probably were Congolese and my destiny is to Play Bongos while getting buttraped singing "Kumbaja".
This fucking cringe Needs gas Chambers, there were People before Hitler thinking about it.
XBox and Activison are probably Jewish anyway, please post random statistic on that so I can coninue denouncing this insanety.
Would you be offended if some obese Polynesian marched as a British Grenadier?

>>133660219
This is actually true, however he would need control of the seas, air power is only so strong against a channel this small.

>>133670220
One thing is 100 % sure though: the posts of a fucking despicable leaf are 100 % bullshit.

>>133670220
>It's not bias, purposely letting the British army go makes absolutely no sense. There isn't a shred of evidence to point towards this, and there is nothing logical about doing this.
Yes, that's the whole point: there is no explanation backed by evidence, it's all just a hypothesis because we don't know the reasoning.
>The two options are, they halted the advance because to do so would have been either A) Disastrous or B) Costly and the other option is they halted the advance because if you let your enemies go, they want to make peace despite declaring war on you.
What is the evidence for a willing halt? Well, we don't really know or have a whole lot of evidence for that, so we can't say for sure. It is not a tenable position supported by evidence, although the only inclination is that von Rundstedt had a hunch.
What evidence is there for necessary halt so as to avoid defeat? Well, we don't have any evidence as to why the high command ordered the halt, so we can't really make any claims on its behalf.
You have yet to actually answer the question: if you are so sure as to your response, cite a single piece of evidence from the high command indicating that the halt was put in place because of the reasons you assert. So far, you've just said "armies don't advance because they think they might lose". Not exactly a great argument, more of a revisionist one.

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>>133657401
How does anyone, even the most blue pilled normie, buy this shit anymore when they take a look at modern UK and the disgrace that is London

The absolute delusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otD52qwC9xw

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>>133656065
Who cares, go make your own if it upsets you so much
> oh wait you're useless in every way
Well shit.

>>133662651
>falling for the Poland meme

Then why not declare war on the USSR considering they invaded too

>>133669506
this so much

>>133670840
I think what you're not understanding is the fact the attack itself wasn't halted, the PANZER attack was. The Luftwaffe like I've already stated numerous times were still sending out sorties.

Why? Because they were at war with the British. The fact the Luftwaffe was still on the attack against the troops at Dunkirk already disproves the "theory" that Hitler wanted peace. He still didn't want peace when again, the Luftwaffe attacked the British mainland a month later.

Let me repeat, a month later.

>>133657235
>That's literally not what happened, fucking history revisionists.
They teach it in skewls dude.
well, they used to when I was attending.

It's not some magic redpill /pol/ came up with

>>133657387
he was a peaceful man

>>133672949
They don't teach this is any school. No school in the West teaches kids about WWII, let alone particular battles.

They teach the Holocaust.

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>>133673271
>No school in the West teaches kids about WWII, let alone particular battles.
wut

>>133673413
I mean exactly what I said. Kids are not taught WWII anymore.

>>133672243
>I think what you're not understanding is the fact the attack itself wasn't halted, the PANZER attack was. The Luftwaffe like I've already stated numerous times were still sending out sorties.
Yes, but what was the reasoning for this? Is there any shred of evidence from the high command indicating the purpose? So far, you've yet to cite anything.
>Why? Because they were at war with the British.
Yes, the main point is still unaddressed: where is the evidence pointing to the motivation behind the halt? Why did they halt the advance?
>The fact the Luftwaffe was still on the attack against the troops at Dunkirk already disproves the "theory" that Hitler wanted peace. He still didn't want peace when again, the Luftwaffe attacked the British mainland a month later.
The reasoning behind the claim is yet to be substantiated. So far, it just seems as if they made a judgement call and decided not to advance because they presupposed an outcome without actually executing a plan. But there is no evidence indicating this was their intention, nor is there evidence indicating that the intention was to let the Brits off with a "warning".
>He still didn't want peace when again, the Luftwaffe attacked the British mainland a month later.
Yeah, the war didn't end yet, that is to be expected. Again, this is secondary to the issue: what evidence is there behind the halt, from the mouths of the horses themselves? Speculation is great, but don't complain about revisionism when you are guilty of the same half-baked hypotheses with little to do in regards to official documents.

>>133674080
>Yes, but what was the reasoning for this?

Attacking 500,000 men on a beach with just tanks would have been disastrous. It doesn't take a military genius to figure this out.

>Yes, the main point is still unaddressed: where is the evidence pointing to the motivation behind the halt? Why did they halt the advance?

The evidence that tanks consisted of mainly Panzer Is and Panzer IIs wouldn't be able to encircle two armies without the infantry they left behind.

>The reasoning behind the claim is yet to be substantiated. So far, it just seems as if they made a judgement call and decided not to advance because they presupposed an outcome without actually executing a plan. But there is no evidence indicating this was their intention, nor is there evidence indicating that the intention was to let the Brits off with a "warning".
I'm not trying to substantiate my claim. I'm not saying it's absolute fact and I don't have to label everything I say "in my opinion" before I say it. I'm disproving that peace was ever an option on the mind of Hitler when he was doing the exact opposite of peace by attacking the army he was "trying to make peace with."

>But there is no evidence indicating this was their intention
No, but it doesn't take a genius to understand again, outdated tanks against 500,000 almost fully equipped infantry with anti-tank weaponry, an air force and the world's best Navy would have been disastrous.

>Yeah, the war didn't end yet, that is to be expected. Again, this is secondary to the issue: what evidence is there behind the halt, from the mouths of the horses themselves? Speculation is great, but don't complain about revisionism when you are guilty of the same half-baked hypotheses with little to do in regards to official documents.

Here we go with the THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY AS VALID bs you keep spouting. One is completely wrong and the other has the reality of military strategy behind it.

>>133674628
>Panzer Is and Panzer IIs wouldn't be able to encircle and destroy two armies without the infantry they left behind*

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>>133674628
>Here we go with the THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY AS VALID bs you keep spouting. One is completely wrong and the other has the reality of military strategy behind it.
I know you're leafposting, still you realize you are the revisionist one right?

You're ex post facto trying to find an ALTERNATE explanation that debunks the actual historical orthodoxy for whatever reason (political preference, autism, idk).

Yet you act as if WE are the crazies and the conspiracy theorists.

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>>133674818
>I know you're leafposting, still you realize you are the revisionist one right?
Nope.

The alternate explanation is the one saying "he let them go" when letting your enemies go has no basis in military or strategic thinking.

>>133656975
>SJW's ruined call of fucking duty
I never thought I'd live to see the day. Sledgehammer seems to be the only studio in their production cycle who gives into their bullshit.

>>133674628
>Attacking 500,000 men on a beach with just tanks would have been disastrous. It doesn't take a military genius to figure this out.
Again, this is the same speculation that you berate others for. It can be likely, but it is operating on the assumption without evidence that this was their true purpose. It's operating under a false dichotomy.
>The evidence that tanks consisted of mainly Panzer Is and Panzer IIs wouldn't be able to encircle two armies without the infantry they left behind.
Post hoc argument. Simply because they halted the advance does not mean it was done because it was guaranteed to fail. There may be other factors involved.
>I'm not saying it's absolute fact and I don't have to label everything I say "in my opinion" before I say it.
You kind of do, especially when you berate others for "revisionism", you are guilty of the same label.
>I'm disproving that peace was ever an option on the mind of Hitler when he was doing the exact opposite of peace by attacking the army he was "trying to make peace with."
The point would have some grounds if all attacks were halted, yes. But since that wasn't the case, it doesn't seem as if the purpose was to initiate a ceasefire and, eventually, a peace. It seems as if cold feet for whatever technical reasons they experienced (again, no evidence for why they believed this was so) and sending a message (whatever it may have been) were the most likely explanations.
>No, but it doesn't take a genius to understand again, outdated tanks against 500,000 almost fully equipped infantry with anti-tank weaponry, an air force and the world's best Navy would have been disastrous.
The same "mainstream historians" you claim are objectively true (we'll get to why you believe this in a moment) also claim that it would have been a crushing defeat against a retreating army.

>>133675296
If Hitler wanted peace tell me, why attack the troops on the beach with the Luftwaffe?

Why if he wanted peace would he invade Britain a month later? Can you explain this to me please?

>>133674628
>Here we go with the THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY AS VALID bs you keep spouting. One is completely wrong and the other has the reality of military strategy behind it.
Hey, remember when you said: I'm not saying it's absolute fact and I don't have to label everything I say "in my opinion" before I say it.
You've just refuted yourself. How can you not be claiming an absolute fact when you literally say "one is completely wrong and the other has the reality of military strategy behind it". Bear in mind, your entire modus operandi is speculation, assuming that you knew what their motivations actually were. That may very well be so, but given the reluctance to engage in a battle with the Brits (what with the peace offers and his own writings in Mein Kampf), the purpose also involves sending a message of sorts.
>>133674979
>The alternate explanation is the one saying "he let them go" when letting your enemies go has no basis in military or strategic thinking.
Again, arguing from the false dichotomy that two things cannot be utilized at the same time.

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>>133674979
>The alternate explanation is the one saying "he let them go" when letting your enemies go has no basis in military or strategic thinking.
But this is your opinion that you're trying to argue against historical established truth.

You're a conspiracy theorist.

>>133675548
>If Hitler wanted peace tell me, why attack the troops on the beach with the Luftwaffe?
Had he completely ceased all war efforts, then the purpose of the message, whatever it may have been, would have been lost. It seems as if it was a show of might and how he chose not to use it. Without strongarming them elsewhere, then they would not know to fear the might. It could have involved elements of psychological warfare, too, to try and show them that they can choose when they will die. Again, it doesn't have to be a false dichotomy. It could also just be pride getting to their heads, or because they chose to wait for the infantry, or the former/latter used as excuse for the latter/former.
>Why if he wanted peace would he invade Britain a month later? Can you explain this to me please?
Again, perhaps absolute peace wasn't the real message, perhaps it was simply to show the enemy that they could pick and choose when they were to kill them. To send a message, like I mention above. As in "we could kill you now, or we can wait later. Either way, because we just dominated you now, we will always have the upper hand". It could have been misplaced pride.

>>133660219
>hitler could have taken britain any time he wanted before operation barabrosa.

No surface navy worth mentioning compared to the Brit.. No sealift. No landing craft. No way to destroy the Royal Navy.

No serious preparation for Operation Sea Lion.

You are an imbecile nigger. No white person would make such an assertion. Your retardation makes the Turd Eater in Camp of the Saints look a genius by comparison. If your stupidity were nationality you'd be Albanian.

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>>133657401
>tfw you realise your entire education from a very young age on the Nazis and WWII is one massive propaganda campaign by the Commies and Jews to tarnish and destroy the ideology that could have rescued us from the ever growing cancer of degeneracy and vice that is spreading across Western civilisation.

Feels bad man.

>>133660456
>HE-111s and BF-109s could only stay over London for a maximum of 20 minutes at the time.

That's not "supply", shit head, it's RANGE and LOITER TIME. Speak aviation when referring to aircraft or fuck off.

Germany ignored strategic bombing almost completely and owned zero suitable aircraft. The Allies were not similarly retarded.

>>133676203
>If your stupidity were nationality you'd be Albanian.
Poetry.

>>133664265
>invade like 14 neutral countries
>nazism philosophy of peace guis
>reeeee uncontrollably when country fights back
The wehraboo cries in pain as he strikes you

>>133666631
Fucking retarded leaf it's not a revisionist theory.
Dunno why you're using buzzwords that would trigger people outside of the chans but being a "revisionist" isn't any form of insult here.
Why Hitler let them go at Dunkirk isn't definitive, it was either to not risk the panzers, or to attempt to negotiate peace.
You have to understand something, Britain was safe on it's island, the Nazis would need a miracle to invade the British Isles, Britain was well aware of this. Capturing or killing such a portion of their army wouldn't break them, if anything it would allow Churchill to twist the British people even further in favour of continuing. "Help the war effort, save our boys from Hitler!" It would also aid in getting America into the war sooner.
The theory that he did it in an attempt to make peace with Britain has enough credence to even get mentioned on Kikepedia.
Hitler was a gud boi
Hitler wan't peace.
He dindu nuffin

>>133664575
Yes he is. The Battle of France was a bit of a mess but it's what happened when innovative new tactics came up against poor French generals. France had the best army at the time as it has much throughout European history. Tactically though... I mean the Maginot line not covering the Belgian border... It's not like Germany went through Belgium last time. Then there is the fact one of the French generals. I forget his name could have pushed his tanks towards Germany and cut off the German forces and ended the war. Then there is the fact the BEF was poorly used (it was put under the command of the French Army). After Napoleon one of the best, certainly the best artillery strategist in the world/history, France has been let down by poor strategy in the 20th century. As that's recent memory it has stuck. The fall of France was not the fault of the average French soldier. The mass rout/retreat is simply a characteristic of war during the chaos that is warfare. Especially when you are being flanked.

>>133675548
No amount of explanation in a world could explain something to a FUCKING LEAF.

>>133669506
>>133671883

why is only germany this fucking assblasted about nazis.

What is your country so fucking obviously ruined you can't even see how hard you've fallen down the rabbit hole.

>>133676539
>only the Axis invaded nations
During wartime, nations invade others, be it for conquest or resources. USSR and UK invaded Iran, despite Iran's neutrality, to secure oil fields and supply lines. Nobody claims peace on either side, and it would be, dare I say it, revisionism to claim a unique aspect to only one side of the war. The initial claims, at least, were for German reunification. The Czech campaign was questionable, to say the least (Hitler even lamented it during the last will). After the Polish conquest and the war outbreak, all chips were off.

>>133676540
There are also other possible reasons, Goring wanted the infantry and panzer divisions to not be risked and asked Hitler to let the Luftwaffe destroy the British forces. Which is effectively what happened.
Another possibility is Hitler was worried about the casualties to not only his Panzers but also his own forces, he fought in the marshes of that area in the first world war.

>>133676539
>Poland gib let danzig vote on who it wants to join
>fuck u
>plz polan
>fug u
>Polan I'll invade you
>Fuck you, Polska strong, Britain will totally help me.

That's the only country the Nazis actually invaded. The rest were assaulted and occupied due to the war and not due to wanting to annex them, the other lands he'd gained were gained peacefully.
The Soviets were warmongering far harder.

>>133659783

yeah dude you are retarded... BOB was relatively minor, it was only important because it was one of the most damaging attacks on major city in britain... compared to the allied leveling and holocasuting of whole cities it would barely be a foot note if it wasnt for the complete politicization of all ww2 history.

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>>133677286
>Poland dis land belongs to me because I said so despite the territorial borders decided by international law
>proofs what proofs? Truly this clay is mine with our heaping of 0 Germans in Poland saying pls annex us back
> oh sorry I false flagged
>oh sorry I raised entire cities and caused crimes against humanity in your country
>oh sorry I also invaded France
>oh sorry I also invaded all these other fucking countries that wanted nothing to do with any of this because muh war
>what??? Churchill is fighting me??? How could he! That warmonger! I only wanted peace and also all of this lebanstraum that isn't mine how could he

>>133678315
>Poland dis land belongs to me because I said so despite the territorial borders decided by international law
Had the Poles lost millions to foreign lands after being split up after a treaty, I would not be surprised if they acted the same way. Western Poland had German speakers, hence the lebensraum. Also
>international law
>dude crimes against humanity lmao
>let's nuke the nips a day after tho
>proofs what proofs? Truly this clay is mine with our heaping of 0 Germans in Poland saying pls annex us back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles#Treaty
"The treaty stripped Germany of 25,000 square miles (65,000 km2) of territory and 7 million people. It also required Germany to give up the gains made via the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and grant independence to the protectorates that had been established. In Western Europe Germany was required to recognize Belgian sovereignty over Moresnet and cede control of the Eupen-Malmedy area. Within six months of the transfer, Belgium was required to conduct a plebiscite on whether the citizens of the region wanted to remain under Belgian sovereignty or return to German control, communicate the results to the League of Nations and abide by the League's decision."
Btw, using your own "international law", the democratic choice to remain German (after the plebiscite following the Silesian uprising) was over-turned and the land given to the Poles.
>oh sorry I raised entire cities and caused crimes against humanity in your country
See above. No such thing exists, sorry. War has no rules, so Germany is not to blame just as the US or the Japs are not to blame.
The French declared war on the Germans. That's usually what happens.
Again, the action of invading foreign nations in order to sustain resources is not uncommon, even the Brits and Soviets required these actions. That's the whole reason why they invaded Iran. Oh, but only the Germans can do wrong.

>>133657235
shut the fuck up leaf

>>133678734
>>133678315
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Poland#1921
"In late 1921 a border adjustment between the Weimar Republic and Poland took place as a result of the Silesian Uprisings. The uprising were a series of three armed rebellions that took place between 1919 and 1921 by the Polish people in the Upper Silesia region against the Weimar Republic. The Polish people of the region wanted to join the Second Polish Republic, which had been established following World War I. The 1919 Treaty of Versailles had called for a plebiscite in Upper Silesia in 1921 to determine whether the territory should be a part of Germany or Poland.

The plebiscite took place on March 20, 1921, two days after the signing of the Treaty of Riga, which ended the Polish–Soviet War. In the plebiscite, 707,605 votes were cast for Germany, and 479,359 for Poland. The Germans had a majority, by 228,246 votes. In late April 1921, rumours flew that Upper Silesia would stay in Germany. This led to the Third Polish Uprising in May–July 1921. The question of the Upper Silesia problem was turned over to a council of the League of Nations. The commission, consisting of four representatives—one each from Belgium, Brazil, Spain, and China. The commission gathered its own data, interviewing Poles and Germans from the region. On the basis of the reports of this commission and those of its experts, on October 1921 the Council awarded the greater part of the Upper Silesian industrial district to Poland."

>>133678734
>war has no rules
>no! It's no fair that Churchill invaded us we were so peacefu

Saying "fuck rules in war" is why Germany got Versailles'd in the first place, and why the us didn't side with them, costing them the war

>>133678897
Something in the twenties justifies something in the late 30s. Sure thing pal. Coulda stopped with polish territory and you know, not started all the labor camps and mass executions and shit and it would never have gone to full world war, but nooooo...,,

>>133656975
swastika was removed from game to sell to germany. historical accuracy died, liberalism prevails in vidya now. it's all pointless

I'm going to see it, because it's one of the only movies I'm excited about this year, but of course they're going to go hard on the "ebil naaazis"; Hitler's offer of peace to Britain won't be acknowledged by the masses until we force it on them.

>>133658725
>saw ww
>it did a terrible job at portraying germans as humans. there was a thirty minute scene of her murdering german soldiers cause they enslaved a village
>ending made no sense

>>133656065
everyones seeing it cause harry styles is in it. no one even knows what fucking war that was

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>>133678897
Also that little price of territory is ducking unbelievably tiny. Not justifiable to see blade all of Poland, or any of the things they did afterward, and doesn't begin to justify all the other fucking invasions. And if it was still an issue how manny attempts did hitler make to appeal it to the League of Nations again? Not that it would matter, because hitler would then cry "waaaaaw these arbitrators didn't agree with me"

>>133656400
Wouldn't it be better to capture the army to use as a bargaining chip in the negotiation?

>>133680061
dude the US annexed half of mexico for no reason whatsoever

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>>133666386

Hey man I came back to let you know I didnt read all that shit nor will I ever. I asked for a quick rundown, not for some kraut to write me a fucking essay.

And I thought Americucks were stupid!

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>>133680253
vile subhuman leaf

>>133660065
40,000 deaths over 56 days of bombing... The Americans killed 100,000 in a single day bombing tokyo lol.

>>133658580
You can't just stop attacking and hope they surrender. you keep picking at them so they give up. If Hitler wanted to destroy all those troops he would have but he didn't, because he was a man of honour and not a monster , but an Anglo would never understand

>>133656065
>Go to watch Passchendaele when it comes out
>It's a love story under the guise of being a war movie
Into the fucking trash.

>Go to watch Dunkirk
>It's literally nothing at all about Dunkirk
I won't be surprised.

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>>133680378

Are you ironically an AnCap or were you actually born with fetal alcohol syndrome?

>>133680253
This shitty comic is exactly what you would expect from a fucking leaf

Bomber Harris did nothing wrong.

>>133680253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

>>133656268
Terrible responses, make way for the baguettepill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6C5P-AYGdY

>>133680937
removing fucking leafs must feel as good as removing other scum and dirt

>>133664921
Poles did enigma, which the UK thanked them for by letting uncle joe rape them.

>>133680667
What do you expect? Industrial super power that understood the effectiveness of strategic bombing vs a regime that blew a shitload of money making meme weapons such v1/v2 which had a far greater impact after the war was long lost.

come on /pol, we fucking KNOW the royal family and many Lords were based Nazi symps.

He let them go. Factions on airstrip one got wind and the BongNazis chickened out...

>>133675877
The acting in that gif..holy fuck

>>133664595
We shouldn't have gotten involved at all. Without lend lease Hitler would have won and the world would be a better place.

>>133680253
I can't stopp laffin but I want you dead so lmfao

>>133674717
German success was about combined arms you spastic, not 'muh panzers'

Even the fucking Boyes rifle could penetrates some of the early war german tanks.

>>133669506
Try being a modern OIF/OEF vet and seeing how your suffering is portrayed in literally every other war game.

Literally press F at a friends grave ffs.

>>133676540

How can one simultaneously let them go and bomb the fuck out of someone?

Stick to rugby.

>>133659723
They think the Brits weren't armed. They had all their equipment and a 2lber would slice through the front of a pzIII like a hot knife through butter.

Hitler wanted that army destroyed and didn't have the ability to make it happen. This is a whole shitload of BS.

>>133682194
>How can one simultaneously let them go and bomb the fuck out of someone?

Schrodingers Luftwaffe

>>133660219
Lol. No. It was never possible. They never had the staging capability.

>>133681565
Name more than two mate?

>>133662651
>muh preservation of my gay jew approved post ww1 order when the treaty that ended it was garbage and so was the entire war that you guys helped to start too

>>133682325
Thank-you strangely based leaf

>>133656065
why do i have the feeling that some dwarf is going to have a romantic love interest with a Silvan Elf never mentioned in the history books, but that their forbidden love will tragically not happen because of evil Nazis?

Based on his extreme inability to make any of the characters in his movies relatable; his movies heavily rely on gimmicks and a mysterious plot. I believe Nolan is a high functioning autistic.

>>133681970
>German success was about combined arms you spastic, not 'muh panzers'
Where did I deny this exactly?

>Even the fucking Boyes rifle could penetrates some of the early war german tanks.
And where did I deny this?

>>133682589
Nolan's characters are vehicles for ideas rather than simply being people in a traditional narrative sense.

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>>133666386
Thanks. One of the only good replies ITT.

>>133682589
gotta admit, the trailer for Dunkirk looks pretty good.
>no hints of romance
>lots of violence
>cool cinematography
I'm probably going to see it. And I haven't actually bothered to go to a movie in a long time.

Autism is fine with me.

>>133682721
Because it demonstrates that:

a. There was a real question about the ability of the wermacht to magically mop up the pocket given the dispersed disposition of the german forces.

b.The panzers couldn't, rather than didn't mop up the pocket on their own.

No combined arms means throwing your tanks away. If the German generals were as smart as you they would never have defeated poland.

Evil nazis holocausts black Jews the movie

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>>133669506
What the name of the African Orchestra musician in the Prussian Army who fought in WW2 on the Eastern front and died in 1942 in Kuban? I cnt seem to find it. Thanks.

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>>133683007
>No combined arms means throwing your tanks away. If the German generals were as smart as you they would never have defeated poland.

Again you absolute fucking halfwit, where am I denying any of this?

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>>133670323
I have this.

>>133683213
So you agree that there were sound strategic reasons for not attempting to crush dunkirk, and that it might have been something other than that noted peacemaker, Hitler's desire for an armistice that led to the halt?

>>133683386
>So you agree that there were sound strategic reasons for not attempting to crush dunkirk
Absolutely.

>and that it might have been something other than that noted peacemaker, Hitler's desire for an armistice that led to the halt?
That's out of the question since letting your enemies run away without a guarantee that they'll rescind their war declaration doesn't make any sense, either logically as a thought or in military strategy. Next time read what I'm writing, otherwise you're going to make yourself look like a fool.

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>>133681140

Fuck off sargon. Go back to touting your token minorities to prove to lefties you arent racist

>>133669572
Your argument is if you don't kill your enemy you win...

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>>133681932

You want me dead cuz I meme'd?

Wew

>>133683667
Fuck I am a fool- misinterpreted you entirely. apologies dude.

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>>133683770
Not gonna prove anyone anything. Fucking cuck leafs have no right to criticize anyone though.

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>>133684135
Apologies unnecessary.
You were just confused is all :)

>>133684135
>>133684638
ur both autistic

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>>133684440

Why is that exactly? The whole leaf shitposter meme doesnt hold up that well lately since most of the shitposts I see are from Burgerstan or Br*tain.

>inb4 "if u kil yer enemies they win!!!!"
This was literally never said, in case any were curious

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>>133656065
How the British landed and ran for their lives.
Then literally went to war in Africa.
While ww2 was going on.

You cannot make this pussy shit up.

>>133684797
"If you kill your enemies, they win." -The Leader of the Leafs

The problem with the leafs is not shitposting. They are just cucks and completely out of reality.

>>133679318
>Something in the twenties justifies something in the late 30s
>Poland can be revived from the partitioning of their lands because they existed in the past
Your own logic refutes you.
>Coulda stopped with polish territory and you know, not started all the labor camps and mass executions and shit and it would never have gone to full world war, but nooooo...,,
Lol, that wasn't implemented during the first bit of the conquest, that came after. War is war, grow up.
>>133680061
War justifies itself, sorry. That's why you ought to feel no guilt for the nukes, they just happen because war is hell. So stop casting moral judgement when you assume everybody else's war "crimes" are relevant.

>>133683667
Yo buddy, are you ever going to respond with a counter-point to me:
>>133675683
>>133676041
Again, the point to drill home is that two things can be true at once, and that war is not always necessarily about gaining the immediate tactical edge, but playing the long game, too.

>>133681238
>Poles did enigma

Sure they did at Bletchley Park in England whith a whole host of other people including Turing who invented Collosus the worlds first programable digital computer along with the Bombe

>>133688944
You're a brick wall and one of the many purveyors of "if there's no evidence for either side they're both equally as valid" shit-think.

>war is not always necessarily about gaining the immediate tactical edge, but playing the long game, too.

Letting two field armies go without a guarantee of a rescinded war declaration is the complete opposite playing the long game. It's the most retarded strategic idea in the history of warfare. If anything that would have been worse than sending in the Panzers by themselves.

>>133673463
>When a leaf is more ignorant than a burger
Rake yourself, you literal retard. Schools here still teach about the battles of Stalingrad, Normandy, Dunkirk, Kusrk and the Battle of the Buldge.

>>133656975
Only multiplayer has the inaccuracies, but it's stupid for that to happen still

>>133680253
are leafs always like this?

>>133689641
>Schools here still teach about the battles of Stalingrad, Normandy, Dunkirk, Kusrk and the Battle of the Buldge.
Good for you. I didn't. I don't think I even have to mention the inordinate amount of time spent on the Holocaust.

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>>133666386
what part of quick did you not understand, kraut?

>>133657974
Under what pretence would have this warranted an American declaration of war? About half the us population sided with Germany and half England but almost unanimously both sides said let the Europeans figure their own shit out. This was the real reason Congress would never declare war until we were directly attacked. Considering they wouldn't even do it while u boats were sinking supply ships and v2s and v1s were landing on England i seriously doubt any gave enough of a fuck to go to war.

That said there's considerable evidence Hitler was a dumb fuck who sent his panzer divisions to far to fast and outstretched his supply lines. Shoulda done more r&d and training to figure out you fucking mechanized divisions need mechanized logistical support not horses drawn carts. Dumb cunt.

>>133689641
He's partially right, I finished high school not too long ago

My teacher literally said they've been instructed to de-emphasize specific battles, dates, names, and numbers and focus on a few overarching narratives, most of all the narrative of human suffering.

>>133689567
>You're a brick wall and one of the many purveyors of "if there's no evidence for either side they're both equally as valid" shit-think.
This is the "you must either believe in God or not believe in God, stop waiting for sufficient evidence to allow positive/negative claims on behalf of him"-tier thinking. Very illogical and... revisionist. The two aren't equally valid, the other is a strawman. I don't believe he wanted all-out peace, I think it was more of a message. For what purpose, nobody knows.
>Letting two field armies go without a guarantee of a rescinded war declaration is the complete opposite playing the long game. It's the most retarded strategic idea in the history of warfare. If anything that would have been worse than sending in the Panzers by themselves.
If you read the posts I made, you would realize what I was getting at: the psychological effects of "I have the power to let you live or die, remember that". The greatest power is not using it, basically. Letting the enemy know that they are only alive because you let them. Like I said, most of the historians YOU cite also agree that the Germans could have steamrolled the retreating army, but one of the possible reasons they chose not to was that they thought they wouldn't be able to do so, given the circumstances. Again, it is, by definition, an alternative and revisionist approach you are using without sufficient evidence, but a "guesstimation" with no grounds. If you wish to operate off of what the generals themselves claimed after the war, it was because Hitler wished to stay the hand of the army to see what the response would be.

>>133690297
>>133689567
Oh, and you still missed the point and draw a false dichotomy: the Germans could have simultaneously utilized the lack of preparation/supplies to examine what the British response would be, deliberately staying their hands AND resorted to a halt because they wished to recuperate. The former/latter can be used as justification for the latter/former.

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>>133656065
Remember this guy is a white supremacist. He cast only white people.

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>>133690297
>If you read the posts I made, you would realize what I was getting at: the psychological effects of "I have the power to let you live or die, remember that".

I did read it, it's absolute bullshit. Germany wasn't in the position of making a political head game with a country he was at war while fighting with the French at the same time.

>>133690428
Absolute bullshit.

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>>133689964
We're much more active in the summer with the warm weather and long daylight hours. Leaf posting will die down a little bit once it starts getting cold in October again. Only the die hard leafs stick around to post during the winter.

>>133690232
I want to add on to this - I specifically remember important battles getting like 3 paragraphs to half a page max in my textbook (can't remember the name), and they were basically quick summaries without maps or numbers.

Pearl Harbor and Stalingrad got like 3-5 paragraphs. Soviets capturing Berlin was literally two sentences. They focused overwhelmingly on Canada's contribution (ie Juno beach and Netherlands) when it came to actual action.

There were multiple first-person accounts (diaries and letters), split about half and half between soldiers somewhere and holocaust victims, Korean comfort women, people interned at Japanese internment camps, etc.

>Claps want an accurate portryal of Dunkirk from a British Director

>Made a film where America captured U571 and Enigma

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>>133656065

Somali SS troopers in movie

>>133690565
>I did read it, it's absolute bullshit. Germany wasn't in the position of making a political head game with a country he was at war while fighting with the French at the same time.
Kind of did have the psychological edge when you have an army on retreat. They are at your mercy. Perhaps they wanted to prolong that sentiment to instil fear, or like I mention above, use the opportunity to recuperate AND instil fear.
>Absolute bullshit.
Great argument, lad. Want to give it another go? At least I admit to my shortcomings, you make such brilliant statements like
>>133674628
"I'm not saying it's absolute fact and I don't have to label everything I say "in my opinion" before I say it"
Followed by: "One is completely wrong and the other has the reality of military strategy behind it."
Or: "Absolute bullshit."
Refuting yourself right after.

>>133691168
>In my opinion one is completely wrong and in my the other has the reality of military strategy behind it
>Absolute bullshit in my opinion

Seems like I might need to label everything as "in my opinion" for you to understand. It's a shame since most people already consider that when you're having a conversation or debate. I don't claim to know truth because the nature of truth is an epistemological problem. I just have justifiable beliefs.

>>133679058
There's only one rule in war you silly nigger: don't lose.

More like the french doing what they always do, running off like bitches

>>133691597
>Seems like I might need to label everything as "in my opinion" for you to understand.
How is it "your opinion" that "one is completely wrong"? Sounds like you are making a claim to objective knowledge right there.
>I don't claim to know truth because the nature of truth is an epistemological problem.
Not that difficult to understand that there can be a variety of compounding factors involved in the decision. Your claims may very well be correct, but without us actually knowing what the higher command's thought process was, we cannot come to a claim to absolute knowledge.
Seems like the most likely option was to recuperate. I'm even hearing some accounts of Goering's influence to show off the airforce, which would answer your question earlier as to why the air attacks continued. Again, it isn't as one-dimensional as you make it out (either x or x', with no possibility of xx').

>>133693400
I'm my opinion I have a justifiable belief that I'm correct. You're autistic. Not my opinion.

>>133693882
Notice how I haven't denied that your opinion is valid, just that casting evidence-based judgement when your own assertions refute your own "opinions" is not intellectually honest. Your only claim to knowledge is an appeal to consensus ("muh revisionism"), which you, yourself, are guilty of. I've put forth my opinion and explored to see what others are also possible. But even mentioning that the release was deliberate or co-existed with the recuperation I mentioned above triggered a response in your right away, which is very interesting and demonstrative of your bias.

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>>133689964

Only when the leaf begins to hate

>>133657235
>revisionism is bad
Sure thing Shlomo

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>>133669191
All of your women are not ugly.

>>133664357
They bit WAY more off than they could chew.
They should have just waited and use politics to spread their influence.
But they saw how the rest of the world was going through the depression and thought to strike while the iron was hot.

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>>133693055
Built on the highest point in Paris so every time someone looked up, they would see & remember that they were sorry for starting a war & getting BTFO nine months later. LMAO