Why didn't Islam have a reformation or enlightenment phase

Reformation is Haram

Low IQ inbred sandniggers

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>>133652368
Christianity needed a "reformation" to return the faithful TO the Word of God.

Islam will never have a reformation, because the more they return to the Quran, the bloodier it gets.

Islam needs a secularization of its doctrine.
Simple as that, but hard as fuck (because of their low IQ and indoctrination since they were a simple sperm and egg cell).

>>133652368
All religion is degenerate. Islam just happens to be the worst one at this particular point in history.

>>133652368
Because it says that the unblievers claim to be reformers in the quran. (english translation is bastardized) I'm trilingual and speak read and write arabic fluently.

Surat al bakara talks about the devision between good and bad muslims. Every idiot likes to interpret the book on his own and such an extreme religion has no breathing room for enlightenment when even moderates are radical anti-social people.

>White guy raised muslim in the middle east (lebanon) by dumb dad.

>>133652368
They did. They removed the innovations like certain strains of Sufism and saint veneration and moved closer to the hadith over time.

Many of the scholars called people back to the Quran and sunnah like Ibn Taymiyyah.

>/pol/ tards have literally no knowledge of Islamic history.

Embarrassing.

>>133652368
Islam has had multiple reformations you fucking retard, but it all comes down to the Koran being a piece of shit, making it impossible to reform unless you discard or edit it.

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>>133654272
because islam and your whole hocus pocus religion is irrelevant in todays world

>>133652368
It's happening now, just starting. Pay attention. We need to kill them

>>133654809
So that's why it is the fastest growing religion and has millions of converts every year, 2/3 of which are western women.

LOL

>>133652368

>Punishment for apostacy is death
>Why didn't anyone condsider changing Islam?

because they are low IQ arabs, if you erased arab sunnis from the planet i can bet you Islam would've been reformed a long time ago

>>133652368
in christianity, christ forgives all of your sins, as long as you believe in him, you go to heaven, so thats why its followers can be degenerates.

in islam, no one is there to take on your sins, you absolutely must be a good boi or you'll go to hell. the only way a muslim will 100% know he is going to heaven if he is a sinner is to become a martyr or commit jihad. that's why reform is impossible.

any atrocity god tells you to do in the bible is erased because of jesus dying for you.

any atrocity allah tells you to do in the quran has to followed because momo is the true messager of allah.

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>>133652368
>reformation or enlightenment phase
You do realize that's how they have destroyed Christianity right?

>>133652751
>return the faithful TO the Word of God
Yea every dick and tom making up their own bs by reading random snippets off the Bible is how Xstianity died dipshit

>>133652368
Soon, friend, soon. Current Islamic year is 1438. In the next 60 yo 70 years there is going to be reformation.

>>133655050
>the only way a muslim will 100% know he is going to heaven if he is a sinner is to become a martyr

Not entirely true also the one who takes care of his parents even until old age is guaranteed heaven, someone who dies in a fire or from plague, etc... Your statement is not entirely true.

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>>133654975
despite what your local newspapers and television channels present to you it's very rare that western women convert....

yes of course there are converts, usually they are damaged people (divorced abused daddy issues) and they hope religion will solve their internal problems. though it's a very marginal occurance in western society.

>>133652368
See >>133652751
They tried reformation. They where called Mutazilas
They had an interpretational view of the Quran
They where killed off, literally

>>133654975
>is the fastest growing religion and has millions of converts every year
Because believe it or not, for the average person, Islam is the ONLY moral certitude left in this world.

Moral relativism and continuous doublethink to simply be able to function is extremely tiresome.

That is why westerners try to keep occupied 24/7 and not think, to avoid having to come to terms to how senseless and atrocious their existence is.

Islam will prevail.

>>133655393
i'm saying if they see themselves as a sinner is the 100% sure way to get to heaven. someone who takes care of his parents until they die is already a good boi.

someone who is a sinner dying from a horrible disease or earthquake doesn't protect them from hell does it? just because they died in a bad way?

>>133655519
If you say so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wE79NYKuE

>>133655888
Inshallah.

>>133652368
Islam enlightement phase still strying to start slowely nowdays

>>133652368
>other large religions
Which except christianity? The west is alone in self critique.

>>133656115
(((self critique)))

>>133656014
Here is your answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfG_Qg7lrpM

>>133656037
>absolutely not paid actresses

>>133655888
The sad thing is, your entirely right
Im a catholic, and the moral authority of the church is nonexistant. The only reason my nation (USA) is managing to withstand this is because of our nationalism being so strong.

Unironically, unless the church becomes the head of the nation of christians again, it cannot prevail. And islam will win.

Which is why i seriously think that the best shot christianity has is a new crusader movement, or maybe mormonism if they drop the caffeine thing.

Aren't the Ismailis basically that?

>>133656161
Well luther wasn't a kike. Kikes are parasites but the tendency to self critique and RENEWAL is due to the nature of western culture.

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>>133656278
you mean neocatholic?
The Church was taken over with Roncalli (antipope John XXIII) and then pic related.

You can't keep following the Vatican without engaging in doublethink, no better than your average normie secular person, sadly.

They were too busy pillaging and waging war.

>>133652368
They have an obscenely rich (((aristocracy))) controlling everything. Saudi kikes just use them as a disposable army and send them off to fight (((holy))) wars; They never revolt because they are given artificial enemies to fight against for the benefit of those highest in the pecking order. Think of how the French revolution could have been halted, the peasantry is distracted from its situations, they fight enemies of the establishment, and they become too lethargic to depose their decadent masters. It really is just a pyramid scheme, jizya goes to terrorists and clerics, just like how the top tier kikes used the temple to funnel wealth to the rabbinic class and their private guards. The institutions fatten up the priesthood and only play a minor role in aiding the regular folk.

>>133656427
>luther wasn't a kike
No he wasn't. He was just crazy and self-confessed demon possessed (look it up).

>tendency to self critique and RENEWAL
Not really, it all started with the Enlightenment (financed by Jews&Freemason), which lead Western Civilization to an ever accelerating path of deconstructivism and degeneration.

FF to today with full moral and epistemological relativism and a literal ZOG.

The "Progress" and "self critique" meme are leftist inventions.

>>133656214
i want quotes from the sunnah, hadith, quran, not what a imam "thinks" jihad means.

>>133656222
They aren't this happens everyday all over the world especially in India and in the western world.

Women are attracted to the clearly defined gender roles of Islam.

>>133656805
>what is the renaissance
>what is the reformation
>what is the counter reformation
>what is ceasarism
>what is romanic to gothic to baroque to etc

And most imortantly you say this is a leftist meme
>what is an Untergang des Abendland

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>>133656991
your media is feeding your lies... seriously dude.. it simply is not true...

>>133655393
Uhh fellow muzzie here, it DOES not say that in the Quran

>inb4 muh hadith

>>133657180
>es

>>133652368
The Christian "reformation" was a reformation was a change of church. It is fundamentally the same, barring a few ceremonial details. Islam is shit because it has always been shit. Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab could be said to have "reformed" Islam.

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>>133652368
there was a moderate reformation its called Shite most of em live in Iran and then there was Sunni Wahhabism who most Muslimism follow or some variation of.

>>133656933
>someone who is a sinner dying from a horrible disease or earthquake doesn't protect them from hell does it?

This is the question I was answering. It is stated in the sunnah of Rasullah (SAW) that the one who dies of plague or an illness or in a fire is guaranteed heaven. This is what I was answering you about.

>>133657255
the whole quoran is basically one non logical bullshit pile of writings..

at least the bible has a clear beginning and end with a well defined story.

Oh it did reform, just not in the way the kafir would have hoped! Reformed to be pure again Mashallah! Reformed to punish the nonbeliever! Alhamdulilah!

They live in the house of war and after they blew up they reach the house of peace. No time for reformation

>>133657209
So you are saying you reject the hadith?

Because this is found in the hadith and is well accepted by the major scholars and the ummah. You aren't a Quranist are you? Please tell me you aren't.

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>>133652368
Several reasons. The only religion that had a substantial reformation in the enlightenment sense and the seperation of church and state was Christianity. That was possibility because of teachings in the bible itself, like "render unto Caesars what is his". Because of theological aspects, St. Augustine formulated Civitas Dei and Civitas Terrena - the kingom of the heavens and the kingdom of the earth - when the Visigoths sacked Rome which was at the time identified physically as the 1,000 year Empire before the final apocalypse. Also the stories of the bible were seen as prophecies INSPIRED by god and possible of human error.

The Qur'an on the other hand is the DIRECT word of God, the uncreated word of God from eternity onwards. And it is not just a religion. It is also a legal and a political system and a military docrine. Encompassing the Holy Qur'an, the Hadiths and the Sunnah. And also: religion alone did not work out for Mohammed. he only coverted 150 people when he preached in Medina. When he became a warlord in Mekka, soon all of the Arabian Peninsula was muslim.

Also: there ARE several reform movements in Islam. They are called Wahhabism, Taliban and the Islamic State. At the heart of Christianity lies the God of love and cuckiness. At the heart of Islam lies the God of absolute power and world domination.

Detailed video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqQ_lR1ywU

>>133657487
Come at me bro

>>133657594
>bible were seen as prophecies INSPIRED by god
till Luther came and brought the darkest age, like the sand rat reformer

>>133656552
Thank you
Someone else said it
Vatican 2 was the worst thing ever done

>>133657180
>what is the renaissance

>what is the counter reformation
>what is ceasarism
>what is romanic to gothic to baroque to etc

All these are cultural and artistic movements retard, except:
>what is the reformation
Which is the entire point. It directly lead to the death of christianity by making it an amorphous blob of extreme relativism and with it, western civilization, fueling the Progressive-Conservative dynamic whereby each and every generation is pushed to move father leftwing due to the "Progress" myth and an absence of moral and religious centralism/absolutism.

>what is an Untergang des Abendland

It is. All modern rightwing currents and thinkers are simply postmodernist reactionaries doomed to fail, because their own ideologies, stripped of actual genuine traditionalism, contain the germs of their own undoing.

They have one every 100 years. See "Mujaddid"

>>133652368
But they did. After it they came to conclusion that causality is bullshit propaganda spread by kuffars.
It means that fertilizing fields means Jack Shit, better crops were given by the desert devil.
That's why Islamic countries changed from pioneers of science and culture to shit holes they are today.

They got their reformation, and they fucked up.

>>133657209
>>inb4 muh hadith
If you're mozzlem and reject the hadith you're an apostate.

Larping fag or western "muslim" virtually indistinguishable from a kafir?

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>>133652368

Daily reminder that this is what all organized religion looks like to those of us who are enlightened.

If you think you can understand the spirit realm by reading a single book, you legitimately know nothing about this universe or how it works.

>>133658286
How is high school?

>>133658349
>How is high school?
No, he's not a teen athiest. He's a fat mentally ill occultist that larps as some kind of witch/warlock

>>133658109
In the same way that Orthodox point to the filioque as the origin of western decline Islam would point to the trinity its self as the origin of false and incorrect views in the west.

Christianity has always had an issue with men, in the sense that historically women have vastly outnumbered women in churches. We know this from historical records of church attendance by gender that churches almost always have more women than men. In fact Christians have always tried to fix what is called "the feminization of
Christianity" with movements like masculine Christianity (YMCA for example).

From an Islamic perspective this effeminization is natural because a man naturally does not want to worship or call another man master. By worshipping the prophet Jesus(PBUH) a man naturally feels that this is wrong and not normal for him to call another man daddy or master or father. But for women it is actually natural for her to want to venerate a man or treat him like her father and submit to him.

Let all who have eyes see:

Islam is the worldwide faith of the end times
The Mahdi is the antichrist
They will slaughter Christians wholesale
Beware the false prophet

Accept Jesus as Lord now, before it is too late.

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>>133658881
>>133659068
Get a room together already.

>>133652368
>Why didn't Islam have a reformation or enlightenment phase like other large religions?

partialy america giving suadi arabia political immunity for that sweet petrodollar oil.

but it has happened before.
a reform is always possible look what happened to WW1 turkey and attaturk he "reformed" it and seprated church from state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

>>133652751
16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
treu translation.
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.
17) Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).

19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
the treu translation.
Why did they [who slandered] not produce for it four witnesses? And when they do not produce the witnesses, then it is they, in the sight of Allah, who are the liars.
are you reading a diffrent book?

>>133659068
I think you will find that when the anti Christ comes (God help us) that the Christians will actually follow him. We see this with the Vatican and it's connections with the NWO elites, and also with the famous Zionist preachers who have connections with the international shadow government. I'm afraid that the Christians are more likely to be misled and follow the anti Christ.

>>133658881
>Islam would point to the trinity its self as the origin of false and incorrect views in the west
Good apologetics game my friend.
However may I point out your cult is literally 600 years older than Christianity and your assertions about Isa are completely unfounded.

>historically women have vastly outnumbered women in churches
This is absolutely false. Sunday attendance was mandatory and with a 50/50 pop split you get a 50/50 attendance.
Unless you mean frequenting churches as a social locus.

>In fact Christians have always tried to fix what is called "the feminization of
Christianity" with movements like masculine Christianity (YMCA for example).
This is all extremely recent phenomenon, before the 60s Women had NO say whatsoever and actually couldn't even speak in Church, the hierarchy has always been 100% male, same as theologians and Church Doctors.

>a man naturally does not want to worship or call another man master. By worshipping the prophet Jesus(PBUH) a man naturally feels that this is wrong and not normal for him to call another man daddy or master or father. But for women it is actually natural for her to want to venerate a man or treat him like her father and submit to him.

This is true as a psychological factor somewhat, however I could easily point out Charismatic personalities who are able to have men submit as natural leaders and.. oops, the fact that Jesus is actually God and Divine.

In fact a good meme game you can do is point out to Mary as a feminizing influence and a somewhat unnatural form of devotion, which fuels a meta infantilism (mommy complex).

Crabs in the bucket mentality

>>133659620
*younger

>>133654975

>2/3 of which are western women.

citation needed you lying sandnigger.

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>>133652368
ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda etc. are all reformations.
Then there is the Shia-Sunni schism
You just don't really notice a difference because Islam is rotten at its core unlike Christianity

>>133659612
You are correct, many will be deceived.

The Reformation led to a lot of the problems we have in the modern Western world.

>>133652368
Its a very strong religion and demands total submission to Allah.

>>133659838
beheaded 600 jews in one day.
(citation needed)

hadiths (the book detailing his life.) were written 200 years after muhammad death in the time of umayyad caliph,a guy who killed ali

also why do you think theres sunni ans shai and all the other form of islam?
becuase the quran was writen after his death.

The Quran we see today was compiled into book format by Uthman, the third caliph (reign 644 to 656). (A caliph is the political leader of a Caliphate (Islamic government).)

>>133659612
>when the anti Christ comes
The End Times as per the Bible itself will show a very tiny remnant of orthodox christians left, so duh

>I'm afraid that the Christians are more likely to be misled and follow the anti Christ.
But non Christians are all hellbound to begin with, so you're wrong.
Factually speaking, being christian>being non christian even if the Anti-Christ comes in play.

Since non christian= 100% hell
Christian, with AC=99.8% hell

>>133658349
>HUrr durr I was an idiot when I was a teenager and rebelled against my parents
>Therefore everyone who doesn't believe in my organized religion must be an idiot teenager
>I'm retarded therefore everyone else is retarded
>durrrrr

no religion has have enlightment so far
so fuck yourself

>>133655183
The Reformation was the Catholic church's own fault for being
a: way too greedy
and
b: performing idolatry all day every day

>>133660238
Can you recommend some books on the occult my friend?
We can talk on discord if you want

>>133652368
just look at them ffs they are orcs

>>133659558
Nice taqiyya mudslime cunt

>>133652368

1. The protestant reformation was a reaction to the naked corruptio of the Catholic church. The closest thing you have to that in the muslim world is the Islamist movement, which has emerged in reaction to the extreme corruption of the Arab nationalist states.

2. The enlightenment is a lie. The "philosophers" of the "enlightenment era" simply took western morality and tried to strip God out of it. This lead to the reign of terror and, eventually gulags. Turns out that when you try to build a society based on reason, smart men find ways to rationalize slaughtering their ideological enemies.

3. Islam is not Christianity, and the Islamic civilization is not western civilization. You should not expect them to follow western patterns of development.

>>133654975
>Be humans for ~200,000 years
>Since we were capable of asking questions is "where did we come from?" (closely followed by "why are we here?")
>The most logical answer (at least then) was we were created by a higher being
>Yeah there were some edgy cavemen who didn't believe in God/gods and just look at their vast Empires they created with atheism
>But for the most part they did believe in a higher being
>For ~200,000 years this belief was just as much a part of you as your beating heart
>Then (((someone))) pushed the (((atheism))) meme really hard
>Edgy kids jumped on it and these same (((people))) "proved" to them there is no God or gods (but if you question their (((religion))) you're an antisemite)
>Anyway, they believe so strongly that there is no God or gods, but there's an emptiness inside of them
>A void that "faith" once took up
>Then those people with that empty hole (the ones who didn't kill themselves because why exist without purpose) felt a friendly sandhand on their shoulder
>And they told this person that they could fill that void, and not with a "false god" who was "(((proven))) not to exist", but a new cooler god who went by the name of Allah
>Now the (((atheist))) has a problem, he can't accept religion because he (((knows))) it doesn't real, but he can't shirk this internal feeling
>Finally though he realises that (((atheism))) never said ALL gods weren't real, it simply said (((Christ))) wasn't real
>Therefore by accepting Islam they were capable of still being edgy by not following Christianity (which is basically the only thing (((atheism))) is against)
>Since the '60s it's followed the same path Christianity>(((Atheism)))>Islam>Suicide Vest

Or did you really think people latched on your goat fucking religion because it made sense?

>Edit:
>2/3 of which are western women

I should have read your post properly. I didn't know you were just looking for (you)s. I thought you wanted a proper answer.

>>133659620
We consider Islam to be older in the sense that all the prophets from Adam to Muhammad (Peace and blessing on all the prophets) to be pure monotheists thus Muslims.

You can look up records of church attendance and see that historically the churches have been majority women and not just because there are typically more women than men in society.

I can't continue answering questions I have to go now but please study Islam more guys and consider if it is actually true. You have to at least give something a chance before you wholly disagree with it,but just recognize that we are all going to be dead very soon and will have to stand in judgement before the Lord of the Universe.

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>>133660303
>way too greedy
yes
>performing idolatry all day every day
sure thing cletus

Anyway besides the point, it happened and now Xstianity is dead and buried and muzzies are gonna inherit the Earth (hopefully the "rapture" as you like to call it, happens sooner)

>>133660429
>taqiyya

its the literal fucking writing in the book or have you never read it?.

are you pretending to be retarded burger?

>>133660582
Goodbye friend

What is the history of the printing press in the Islamic world?

>>133660779
Peace and blessing of Allah be with you and your family brother. Amin.

>>133657578
It says in the Quran many more times to reject anything that's not the Quran itself than to follow any other writings and treat them as law.

Both Sunni and Shia are guilty of this and following the hadith is equivalent to how Christians follow the New Testament and say it's from Jesus, but was written mostly by a couple of fallible gentlemen named Paul and Peter.

>>133658215
Post where it says that in the Quran and for every time you find that I'll show you 3 times where it says the contrary.

>>133660641
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

Fuck Islam, filthy mudshit.

Because they claim the Koran was written by God so they argue how can a person reform something written by God? Therefore by Islam's own rule, it is unreformable.

>>133652672
This. It's like asking why Subsaharan Africa hasn't had a renaissance.

>>133660877
I hope you find the truth. Keep seeking.

>>133656278
I won't be surprised if we soon have female "priests," desu.

>>133660883
>Post where it says that in the Quran and for every time you find that I'll show you 3 times where it says the contrary.

Oh lawd. Are you one of those Sola Scriptura Muzzies.
Laughable.

Hey idc, you can larp all day but at the end of the day Islam=Sunni and your apostasy is gonna carry a death sentence.
Or you think the real world is Youtube comments' section debates?

1440 - Gutenberg invents movable type printing press
1517 - Martin Luther's 95 Theses

That's all you need to know.

>>133660946
lol dumb nigger.

https://quran.com/33/57-61
And those who harm believing men and believing women for [something] other than what they have earned have certainly born upon themselves a slander and manifest sin.

(Koran.24;13).
the treu translation.
Why did they [who slandered] not produce for it four witnesses? And when they do not produce the witnesses, then it is they, in the sight of Allah, who are the liars

read the fucking book the lines are literally in there.

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Because Islam has some sort of victim complex and do not realize they are usually the oppressors

>>133652368
Retard. Islam did reform, but in the other direction with Wahhabism. It used to be better.

You have to be a moron to believe in the concept of god anymore let alone a judeo christian one.

>>133661179
what are u even arguing for?

>>133652368
They didn't need one. It was perfect as it is

>>133652368
it did but then jews showed up again and they chimped out because they hate jews more than anyone else.

>>133652368
Inbreeding, IQ.

>>133661189
What about all the other Crusades? Or the Saxon Conquest?

>>133660946
he still doesnt disprove that these are the original texts.
why wont you just admit that the pic is wrong?

>>133661271
the lines in the pic of burger anon are factually wrong.

i wanted to correct him by getting the actual translations.

>>133661179
Get off this site you dumb goatfucking sandnigger. 4chan is haram.

http://takimag.com/article/10_violent_koran_verses_and_the_terror_they_spawned_gavin_mcinnes/print

And the hadiths are overwhelmingly considered to be legitimate by Islamic scholars. You're in the minority. Your prophet was a mass murdering schizophrenic pedophile. Blow yourself up.

>>133660612
>muh Virgin Mary
>muh saints
They're cool and all, but not even close to being as important as Jesus, and they certainly don't deserve worship on a comparable level.

>>133655888
Its fucking scary how right you are.

>>133661382
Saxon crusaders came after the first crusade. Clue is the "first" next to the crusade.

>>133661382
>What about all the other Crusades? Or the Saxon Conquest?
Just a prank, bro

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You know, while I don't like Muslims (nor want to live near them nor want them in Western countries), why does no one ever claim the same to Jews?

They're fine with marrying/raping three year old children, yet they direct everything to Muslims (both equally at fault).

>>133661511
hey bub, your religion is dead, there's no need to peddle ur nonsense anymore.
Enjoy the last few years on this planet.

>>133652368

i've been thinking, why should we care about muslims? they aren't nearly as destructive as some other groups.

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>>133661625
And here's more from the Talmud.
Periodic reminder that Jews are scum and they are the synagogue of Satan.

>>133661499
>Your prophet

im not a muslem you fucking moron.

also the lines that you picked where wrong thats what im tring to argeu fucking idiot.

also the citation doesnt disprove the original citatitions namely these ones.
(Koran.65;4).
(Koran.4 (Koran.24;13).
;34).

>>133655183
>You do realize that's how they have destroyed Christianity right?
Preach, brother, preach.

>>133661625
Because the muslims actually do it.

>>133661628
Alright buddy. I'll be praying for you.

>>133661114
Your so called "majority scholars" are mostly people that never met the last Prophet or were living in a period 50-150 years after he passed away.

Why would I follow someone that is fallible when I could read true scripture and use that as my whole guidance in life?

You don't have the authority to bring up
>muh sunnism
because as far as I'm concerned here's the requirements of being a Muslim in order to be saved:

1. Believer there is only one God, but God without any partners

2. Believe Muhammad is the last messenger of God who brought the last book which was the Quran

3. Believe in the last day and after life and try to follow and fulfill the word of God AKA the Quran to your best ability.

Notice how all the crazy backward shit about Islam almost entirely comes from the Hadith?

>>133661648
>they aren't nearly as destructive

Yeah, but they are pretty destructive though. They merit concern.

>>133661777
>Muslims actually do it
So do the Jews, they suck baby dick after circumcisions.

>>133661844

more concern than nogs or mexicans? not here, at least.

>>133655888
All it proves is that people are morons who would rather live a life of lies as long as it comforts them. Again, religion is a bluepill.

>>133661743
I wasn't the same poster who posted that pic. Fucking kill yourself and learn to see the IDs. There are many verses of violence towards nonbelievers in the Koran. Kys mudslime.

>>133661499
>And the hadiths are overwhelmingly considered to be legitimate by Islamic scholars

what is shai what is sunni?

according to Sunni tradition, Muhammad did not clearly designate a successor and the Muslim community acted according to his sunnah in electing his father-in-law Abu Bakr as the first caliph. This contrasts with the Shi'a view, which holds that Muhammad intended his son-in-law and cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib to succeed him. Unlike the first three (Rashidun) caliphs, Ali was from the same clan as Muhammad, Banu Hashim, and Shia Muslims consider him legitimate by favour of his blood ties to Muhammad. Political tensions between Sunnis and Shias continued with varying intensity throughout Islamic history and they have been exacerbated in recent times by ethnic conflicts and the rise of Wahhabism.

also the mojority of scholars dont agree with the hadits namely shia and sunni.

>>133661961
>There are many verses of violence towards nonbelievers in the Koran. Kys mudslime.


cant you fucking read?
read my post.
>>133661743
>also the lines that you picked where wrong thats what im tring to argeu fucking idiot.

>also the citation doesnt disprove the original citatitions namely these ones.
(Koran.65;4).
(Koran.4 (Koran.24;13).
;34).

i did not try and excuze islam in any regard just ponting out the wrong texts faggot.

>>133661841
hey fagit I don't give a sh*t about Islam or who's right or wrong.
I'm saying as a matter of fact you are WRONG.
Islam is Sunni in the real world, you little egotrip about Quran authenticity or whatever is nice and all, but doomed to fail.

Now, it would be more fruitful for you if you tried to convince other moslems, and not random bystanders (not that they would listen to your judaic tricks).

I mean what kinda moron converts/sticks to Islam but works this hard to justify it at the same time via a one-off personal form of it?
What's your deal?

Just dump the nonsense entirely, you're no better off tan your average neoXstian sucking cocks and then doing mental acrobatics to justify it all day long.

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>>133661961
don't worry sempai, I'm sure with the spread of cheap wifi the entire world will be REDPILLED and they're gonna move away from their barbaric nonsense KEK

>>133661625

you read my mind. most muslims i've met are practically white and behave as such

>>133661969
The major sects that consider Hadiths to be absolutely legitimate?

>The mainstream sects consider hadith to be essential supplements to, and clarifications of, the Quran, Islam's holy book, as well as for clarifying issues pertaining to Islamic jurisprudence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith#Modern_usage

Kill yourself Mudslime apologist. Again, the vast majority of scholars consider the hadiths to be true. You hold a minority view. Your snowflake view of Pisslam is not representative at all.

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>>133652368
>reform
>of the scripture that is the truth you base your entire life around

Err, i dont think you get how this religion thing works.

>>133662488
>Kill yourself Mudslime apologist.

are you fucking blind?
>>133662190
>i did not try and excuze islam in any regard just ponting out the wrong texts faggot.

Different branches of Islam refer to different collections of hadith, though the same incident may be found in hadith in different collections:

In the Sunni branch of Islam, the canonical hadith collections are the six books, of which Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim generally have the highest status. The other books of hadith are Sunan Abu Dawood, Jami` at-Tirmidhi, Al-Sunan al-Sughra and Sunan ibn Majah. However the Malikis, one of the four Sunni "schools of thought" (madhhabs), traditionally reject Sunan ibn Majah and assert the canonical status of Muwatta Imam Malik.
In the Shi'a branch of Islam, the canonical hadith collections are the Four Books: Kitab al-Kafi, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, Tahdhib al-Ahkam, and Al-Istibsar.
In the Ibadi branch of Islam, the main canonical collection is the Tartib al-Musnad. This is an expansion of the earlier Jami Sahih collection, which retains canonical status in its own right.
The Ahmadiyya sect generally rely on the Sunni canons.
Some minor groups, collectively known as Quranists, reject the authority of the hadith collections altogether.

>>133662190
Holy shit you're still on about those two lines by some other dipshit poster? I gave you two links with many koran verses calling for violence. Kill yourself, Ahmed.

>>133662474
Religion is the ultimate bluepill you faggot. You don't even need religion to hold strong right wing views. All the major Nazi leaders hated Christianity and they were probably the most right wing people in existence.

>>133661947
Point taken. Just remember that Muslims are trying to take over the globe, by violence if necessary.

Mexicans just want to take over north america. They are a legitimate problem.

Nogs just want government handouts and to be able to dominate their local areas through the threat of force. I have little fear of their ability to organize and take over anything more substantial than a few blocks of a shitty ghetto.

While each is not acceptable, we're really just debating degrees of "unacceptability".

>>133662480
I wouldn't go that far but Jews are a bigger threat.

>>133662844
>I gave you two links with many koran verses calling for violence


are you triyng to fucking bait me?
READ my post.
>>133662190
>also the lines that you picked where wrong thats what im tring to argeu fucking idiot.

>also the citation doesnt disprove the original citatitions namely these ones.
(Koran.65;4).
(Koran.4 (Koran.24;13).
;34).

i did not try and excuze islam in any regard just ponting out the wrong texts faggot.

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>>133662844
>Religion is the ultimate bluepill you faggot. You don't even need religion to hold strong right wing views. All the major Nazi leaders hated Christianity and they were probably the most right wing people in existence.

>>133662795
So the major sects still consider the hadiths to be valid overall? You are so fucking stupid. You claimed that shias and sunnis do not consider the hadiths to be valid here
>>133661969

Quote:
>"also the mojority of scholars dont agree with the hadits namely shia and sunni"

You were proven wrong. Now fucking off yourself, Mudslime pissant.

>>133656586
Much better now.

>>133656278
>Which is why i seriously think that the best shot christianity has is a new crusader movement, or maybe mormonism if they drop the caffeine thing.

I was going to write the Mormons off completely, then I remembered the Bundy Standoff. Agree or disagree with that action, that's the kind of spirit and militance necessary.
However, there just aren't enough of them, and they are slowly becoming as decidant as >>133660175
>beheaded 600 jews in one day.
>(citation needed)
I also am jealous of this feat.

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>>133662844
>All the major Nazi leaders hated Christianity

and the respected islam are you sure that cognitive dissonance isnt getting to you lad?

>>133652368
Low iq

>>133663098
>le fuhdora meme
>I need to believe in blatantly false shit to justify my views!

This is the ultimate sign of being a cuck and weak faggot. Again, see fascism. Mussolini and Hitler derided religions especially judeo-christian ones for being fairytales. You don't need to believe in myths to justify your beliefs retard.

>>133663107
shai and sunni and the other sects all have diffrent interpretations about the hadit becuase it was writen 200 years after muhhameds death thats what im trying to argeu.

jesus fucking christ cant we all yust get along?

>>133661189
Do you really believe they don't realize it? They are just lying, it is a part of their doctrine.

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>>133662844
First of all
>Religion is the ultimate bluepill
Secularism/atheism/Secular humanism is JEWISH and pushed by Jews in all facets (read protocol IV and XIV of the learned elders of zion)

>Using the Jew made up insult "Nazi"
>Made up propaganda that German NatSocs weren't Christians (predominantly Catholic with Lutherans sprinkled around and then Rosenberg, which I'm still suspicious about).

If you don't believe me read Mein Kampf as well as watch The Greatest Story Never Told.

>>133663273
Hitler was a Catholic, and respected Islam and Zoroastrianism (the latter being incorpoated b the usage of the word "Aryan" which compasses not only people of Europe + Iran but Aryan also means noble/of noble cause).

>>133663072
No you can't read dumbshit. Your own post
>>133662795 proves me right.

All the major sects consider hadiths to be valid, they might disagree on one or two books but that's it. You said Shias and Sunnis do not folloe the hadiths and BTFO'd your own self. Your own quote says that people who reject the hadiths (koranists) are in the small MINORITY.

Fuck off Mudslime shitstain.

>>133663273
Hitler only "respected" islam because of the arab warrior culture you idiot. He didn't consider its beliefs to be valid at all.

>>133662910
>Point taken. Just remember that Muslims are trying to take over the globe, by violence if necessary.

don't know if i buy into that narrative anymore. isis is bullshit, wtc was bullshit, false flags everywhere.

>Mexicans just want to take over north america. They are a legitimate problem.
true.

>Nogs just want government handouts and to be able to dominate their local areas through the threat of force. I have little fear of their ability to organize and take over anything more substantial than a few blocks of a shitty ghetto.

i dunno man.

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>>133663449
>This is the ultimate sign of being a cuck and weak faggot. Again, see fascism. Mussolini and Hitler derided religions especially judeo-christian ones for being fairytales. You don't need to believe in myths to justify your beliefs retard.

>>133663861
>don't know if i buy into that narrative anymore.
It's about facts and nit your feelings.

>>133661841
I know you're a larping faggot because the requirements of being a Muslim are five not three but you don't even know this, if you're really a Muslim and don't know this then you're a Kafir.

The Hadiths is not a single collection nor did it come out of thin air. The people who compiled the majority of Hadiths went as far as studying the entire lives of each narrator in the chain of narrators to determine the authenticity or weakness of the Hadith. There's an entire field of study called Isnad, which is basically the chain of transmission of any Hadith. This is what they used to know if the Hadiths are true, weak, or false.

>>133658109
The common characteristic is that these movements followed eachotherafter the previous had been exhausted this is renewel. I challenge you to find a culture with such divergent art.
But I do agree that the west needs genuine constuctivism.
And why doesn't /pol/ read books?

>>133663737
>Hitler was a Catholic, and respected Islam and Zoroastrianism (the latter being incorpoated b the usage of the word "Aryan" which compasses not only people of Europe + Iran but Aryan also means noble/of noble cause).

he was allied to iran at the time and even gave the grand mufti the title of honarary aranship.

He didn't consider its beliefs to be valid at all because of the arab warrior culture.

and what do you think caused that arab warrior culture you mong?

>Mudslime shitstain.
making instantiated claims now huh faggot?

>>133652368

Ummm....

Bruh, the current wave of Salafism/Wahabbism IS the reformation phase.

>>133664102
yeah, i know. here are those facts:
>isis is bullshit, wtc was bullshit, false flags everywhere.

>>133664124
Have you ever let a dog fuck you?

>>133663861
>don't know if i buy into that narrative anymore. isis is bullshit, wtc was bullshit, false flags everywhere.

You realize both can be true at the same time right.
It's how (((they))) do it.
It's all so plain and simple actually.

They both push Mozzies as THE boogeyman and blast pro-mozzie propaganda 24/7 at the same time to keep the goyim docile and let their countries be overrun.
That gives them:
a)an excuse to crank up security, censorship
b)a literal army to dismantle the western nation state
c)yet another minority to champion

>>133664336
No, you're stupid.

>>133663737
>hitler was a christian

No he hated Christcucktianity.

>Goebbels wrote in April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."[15]

>However, once in office, Hitler and his regime sought to reduce the influence of Christianity on society.[16]From the mid-1930s, his government was increasingly dominated by militant anti-Christians likeBormann,Goebbels,Himmler,RosenbergandHeydrichwhom Hitler appointed to key posts.[17]These anti-church radicals were generally permitted or encouraged to perpetrate theNazi persecutions of the churches.[18]The regime launched an effort toward coordination of German Protestants under a unifiedProtestant Reich Church(but this was resisted by theConfessing Church), and moved early to eliminatepolitical Catholicism.[19]Hitler agreed to theReich concordatwith the Vatican, but then routinely ignored it, and permittedpersecutions of the Catholic Church.[20]Smaller religious minorities faced harsher repression, with the Jews of Germany expelled for extermination on the grounds ofNazi racial ideology.Jehovah's Witnesseswere ruthlessly persecuted for refusing both military service and allegiance to Hitler's movement. Hitler said he anticipated a coming collapse of Christianity in the wake of scientific advances, and that Nazism and religion could not co-exist long term.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler_on_Christianity_and_.22Positive_Christianity.22

Hitler attacked the Catholic Church and sent many of its leaders to camps. Positive Christianity was a thing too.

>>133664158
>The common characteristic is that these movements followed eachotherafter the previous had been exhausted this is renewel.
Right this is a leftism meme, again your a priori fallacious assumption is that new=good and progress=good, change=good which taken to its logical conclusion gives us SURPRISE! The modern world where you're about to go extinct, and your civilizaiton is dead.

>>133664402

jews don't want muzzies everywhere, and they certainly don't want them to integrate in any significant capacity.

>>133664452
Furthermore

>According to theGoebbels Diaries, Hitler hated Christianity. In an 8 April 1941 entry, Goebbels wrote "He hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[62]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

Goebbels also stopped being Christian well after your quote in your pic.

>Hitler's Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, saw an "insoluble opposition" between the Christian and Nazi world views.[27]

>>133664452
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
here the phase of natsoc germany is usualy refered as the church struggle.

since the catholic church vatican was in italy witch was allied to to natsoc germany the where surrounded.

Your post shows you know nothing about religion op. Christ was the reason why Christianity had its "referendum".

>>133663964
Not an argument.

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>>133664746
>jews don't want muzzies everywhere,
Jews are in the frontline of the mozzie invasion dipshit and the schemers being multikulti and the mozziefication of the west

Are you confused because of the inter-jewish anti islamic propaganda, such as Israel's?

>>133655183
>You do realize that's how they have destroyed Christianity right?

I hear what you're saying but it wasn't much better before everyone had a copy of the bible. There was an elitist class that could take advantage of their flock and routinely did.

>>133652368
they had one some hundret years ago
its the only religion that goes the other way, from great to shit, like a reverse evolution

>>133652368
You might as well ask why africa is still africa-tier. A leopard doesn't lose its spots.

>>133652368
thanks for actually posting an interesting and valuable question.

>>133664811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

Nazis sought to make Christianity as less Christian as possible for their ideological goals. Again, Hitler derided Christianity in private constantly. There is a lot of evidence to prove this. Even Goebbels diary says he hated the religion. What he said publicly for ideological gains was not the same as his true feelings in private.

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>>133664971
>Not an argument.

>>133665212
>before everyone had a copy of the bible.
This is just prot gibberish propaganda.
You realize most people were illiterate till the late 1800s right?

And people could read the bible even b4 protestantism?

>take advantage of their flock
Oh you mean ask for voluntary donations instead of forcing the "flock" to pay their "tithes"

>>133652672
this
it has nothing to do with islam and all to do with shit teir genetics

Not Peaceful to anyone who is not themselves. (And sometimes even itself)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBOYVkvlNGo

>>133665169
judaisism and islam are related infact all abrahamic religeons are related in some way..

muhhameds bloodline has been traced as far back as abraham as he was sopuused to be the last in line of a line of prophets like jesus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

Abraham (Hebrew: אַבְרָהָם, Modern Avraham, Tiberian ʾAḇrāhām), originally Avram or Abram, is the common patriarch of the three Abrahamic religions.[In Judaism he is the founding father of the Covenant, the special relationship between the Jewish people and God; in Christianity, he is the prototype of all believers, Jewish or Gentile; and in Islam he is seen as a link in the chain of prophets that begins with Adam and culminates in Muhammad.

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>>133652368
Islasm DIDNT USE TO BE fucked up.

Islam was peaceful up until Wahhabism came about. Wahhabism was spread in the 18th century under the Anglo colonization rule. Iraqi intelligence analysis claims it was Wahhabism was developed by Jews (use duckduckgo if you want to check me on that, because google will censor it).

If you look at, say Indonesians or Malaysians their civilized Muslims, but the Wahhabi Sunnis are the ones fucked in the head.

Coincidentally, the Sunni extremists are today allies of Israel against Iran.

Quackin' crazy, I know, but it's all true. Check /sg/ on the alliance between Jews and the most violent Muslim terrorists if you don't believe me.

>>133665658
u just went full 80iq mozzie apologist

>>133665169

they're trying to stoke tensions for some reason. when you look at it objectively, the pro muslim propaganda all comes off as loony and insane. of course, this is on purpose. they don't want people to relate with it.

>>133665793
>mozzie apologist

im literally pionting out that islam and all abrahmic religeons are related namely to ((abraham)) hows that apoligizing anything?

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>>133665678
>Islam was peaceful up until Wahhabism
whoah u just blew my mind achmed

>>133665934
>they don't want people to relate with it.
nah.
First of all it works on 50% of the people
Secondly it's classic doublethink training

Refer to my initial response

>>133665678
When the hell was Islam ever peaceful? It was founded by a dude who ordered the eradication of multiple cities and whose movement subsisted on banditry for its early stages. When he died his followers immediately started killing each other over disagreements about what he wanted them to do, after that it's a history of constant warfare and conquest. They only started being "peaceful" when they became unable to compete militarily with western armies.

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>>133666204

you're not a jew, are you?

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>>133666206
>hey only started being "peaceful" when they became unable to compete militarily with western armies.

"when you funded and armed the worst shitter in islam to proxy kill the soviets during the afhan soviet war"

and when you gave suadi arabia politial immunity to do whatever the fuck they wanted with the petrodollar deal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar

>>133666041
Not arguing about that and there's a lot of nuance to learn about. Quite commonly the people didn't really care about being taken over by Muslims so that happened. It wasn't an all out war all the time and occupying hoards like the kind that Rome faced (or the kind that Rome was). Maybe just look at the map of Shia/ Sunni Islam and recognize that the Iranians never really spread beyond their world and the occupiers were actually Sunni Muslim.

I would also argue, that Christianity, being from the same part of the world, was also very violent to spread. We don't talk about that. Not saying Islam is better tho, but the spread of religion doesn't really conclude everything. A lot of white people convert for trying to be "with the times" IMO.

What you see today is fucked up and on another level. There are roughly 2-3 Islamic terrorist attacks daily and most don't even make it to the western news because they are in places like Asia and Africa.

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>>133666397
Yes rebbe I obviously am the jew here, not anyone else and certainly not you:

>(((i've been thinking, why should we care about muslims? they aren't nearly as destructive as some other groups.)))
>(((you read my mind. most muslims i've met are practically white and behave as such)))
>(((jews don't want muzzies everywhere)))

>>133666206
>When the hell was Islam ever peaceful?
Arguably after Muhammed, and even then only by the Shia. But what you see today is Jews pushing for a massive conflict between Muslims and Christians. The migration is just a (((coincidence))).

>>133666929
How do they treat moslems like you in Slovenija brother?
Do you have access to a mosque?
How's the halal food over ther?

>>133652368
The Islamic reformation gave us Wahhabism (bad) and Ismilis (better not great)

>>133652751
The reformation was a betrayal of the faith. It cucked the church by getting rid of the faithful and replacing them with pagans.

>>133655048
t. low IQ berber

Pretty sure you guys are still going to immigrate and steal shoes in Europe, also terrorist attacks in Europe are by inbred north Africans.

>>133665169
The Jews understand fully that the European culture is millitaristically far supperior to the Arab culture ( http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars ) and so they need to first damage the white countries sufficiently for the fight to be equal and thus destructive to both sides.

>>133664219
Well it makes sense considering Iran = Land of Aryans.

>Persian
>Arab

>making instantiated claims now huh faggot?
What claim are you referring to?

>>133666989

literally every kekistani faggot here and on reddit have been pushing the anti-muslim thing to no end. but again, why should we give a shit? they aren't a problem here.

There's nothing enlightening about praying to a rock

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>>133667587
>literally every kekistani faggot here and on reddit have been pushing the anti-muslim thing to no end.
The jew switches tactics as he's cornered.
Right that's the one thing they got right. And antifeminism. So? Weak shilling.

>why should we give a shit? they aren't a problem here.
Because they already are. Their mere presence is helping dismantle to fabric of Amerikwan identity (pic related).
And next time a Dem wins an election she gonna flood the country with milluions of "syrian children"

>>133661189
you mean Leftism, Right?

>>133665576
>Oh you mean ask for voluntary donations instead of forcing the "flock" to pay their "tithes"

If you aren't aware of the political and social strength of the church prior to enlightenment you have an extremely poor grasp on history. Further conversation is unnecessary now.

>>133656991
Everywhere else, we call it mental illness.

>>133667187
I'm not a Muslim and I have personally met both good, and shit Muslims. I know however, that there exist in my country even the bearded, Sunni wardog type, who has just come to Slovenia from Syria, where he was fighting for the Jew and was paid handsomly by the US/Saudi/Israel alliance. I don't like that type of Muslim, but Washington wants them to exist and arms them and trains them and indoctrinates them to fight his wars. Who do you think are the "modern rebels in Syria". They are all hardlining Islamists. You can google them, they even have wikipedia pages where it clearly states they follow the most retarded form of Islam, Wahhabism/Salafism.

Why should I hate the Muslims directly and not the Washington Saudi Jewish rulers even more? Tell me this. Why should I follow emotions when reason tells me who is at fault. Coincidentally, Britain, throughout history time and again allied the Caliphate to weaken Russia (you can look up the history of British / Turkey relations). Who am I going to hate for the Islamization that this caused, the Caliphate, Britain, Russia?

>>133652368
If I recall some people attempted to circa 10th century but failed because islam is a political religion.

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Islam has reformed you idiots, hence why it has 80 plus something sects that adhere differently to the quran and sharia.

>>133668078
>If you aren't aware of the political and social strength of the church prior to enlightenment you have an extremely poor grasp on history. Further conversation is unnecessary now.

Oh as someone with a degree in History I'm well aware, I was addressing your poor attempt to a strawman.
Run away now

>>133664364
did you?

Because it's a false religion with a false prophet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3f15NXrLI&index=1&t=1s&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu8wafy5X1Ibv0bwMHRdj-Zo
Happy Friday, have fun!

>>133665619
>nothing to do with Islam

You fucking retard, it has everything to do with Islam, just fuck off you're too stupid

>>133667835
>And next time a Dem wins an election she gonna flood the country with milluions of "syrian children"

america's always flooded with something. might be a nice change of pace.

>>133667835

and that's just a nog wearing a hijab.

>>133652368
because they are retarded

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>>133652368
it did, you just never read or heard about it

>>133652368
They did, did you forget about the Islamic golden age where Muslims invented algebra, medicine, surgery, aircrafts, and much more?

>>133657270
Are you retarded, no one can be this retarded

>>133652368
We aren't cucks

>>133670579
Im muslim, but please stop We Wuzzing, its frowned upon here

>>133668612
Tell me again Mr. Appeal authority what a strawman is because I don't believe I misrepresented your argument in the slightest. You said Christianity was better before reformation I disagreed and cited my reasoning for disagreeing. The ball remains in your court.

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>>133673319
>You said Christianity was better before reformation
>I disagreed and cited my reasoning for disagreeing

literally a strawman Mr. youtube historian

>>133654975
>So that's why
Or maybe it's because overall intelligence is in decline and dumb people like doing dumb shit.

>>133667414
>replacing them with pagans
Cucklics literally worship idols

the jews with freemasonry lodges around the world pull shit of via police lawyers clergy in lodges

>>133674189
>Cucklics literally worship idols
You mean like the entirety of the Church has done since 33 a.D. while no one ever (inb4 obscure half made up sect / iconoclastic movement off wiki) thought about it in your terms b4 protestantism.

It's amazing how people whos sects are often under a century old think they have such a historical certitude not to mention the moral high ground.

But western pride has no bounds. Hell many wanna teach "real" Islam to actual moslems

>>133673705
Well, you did tell me what a strawman is however you didn't say how my argument is a strawman. Repeating an accusation isn't discourse it's idiocy.

>>133652368
Maybe you will think this is black-pilled. But I do not think the majority of muslims want reformation.

>>133675007
>how my argument is a strawman.
Are you shtitiing me rn?
I never even hinted at Christianity was better before reformation for the regular folk or not, as it doesn't fucking matter for my original point.

You strawmanned that, and THEN got pissy because I did not address one particular word off your comment (elitist whatever).

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>>133675302
This argument is based on a misunderstanding then. By stating Christianity was destroyed by reformation I thought the implication was that it was better previously.

Yea, reformation itself was quite hellish in many ways.

>>133675769
>the implication was that it was better previously.

I just meant it lead to its destruction via relativism and endless fragmentation, and ultimately the situation today.

>>133673152
>doesn't get sarcasm
fucking muzzie

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>>133664306
>reversion to the most literal interpretation is reformation

You can't be this stupid.

>>133657594
>prophecies INSPIRED by god and possible of human error

Not true. The Bible is infallible in Christianity. The word translated "inspiration of God" in II Timothy 3:16 is θέοπνουστος which means "God-breathed". This is no less of a level than the Quran is held in Islam.

The reason Christianity isn't like Islam and was able to hold a reformation is found in the words of Christ before Pilate: "My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews".

In other words, Christians are not to fight to establish earthly rule along Christian laws, even if such a thing were possible. This will be mistaken by Muslims, and indeed a lot of /pol/ users, for weakness. So be it. We have no concern for what others think in their temporal sense of inflated entitlement.

>>133667143
>But what you see today is Jews pushing for a massive conflict between Muslims and Christians
Jew tricks don't work if the goyim don't give them ammunition to work with.

Arguably yes Shias are the most agreeable but even they can snackbar with the best of them.

All it takes to make muslims start killing people is a cartoon. So it's comically easy for the Jews to manipulate muslims into being violent.

And the jewish plan for weaponized islam is simply to send large amounts of muslim men to yurop, and let them do whatever, with disastrous results. This doesn't reflect well on muslims.

>>133652368
Because the empathy of the white man is both on the one hand one of our greatest strengths as a people and on the other by far our greatest weakness.
The lesser races of man lack this human empathy and so while they behave with what can only be described as sub-human animalistic behaviour they are also less prone to manipulation by outside forces.

we're living through the early stages of the Islam Reformation

we were born right after the Christian Reformation

>European holy wars
ISIS killing other muslims
>Christians burning witches
Muslims throwing gays off buildings
>The Inquisition
Blasphemy Police
>Deus Vult
Jihad

>>133652368
There was a reformation of sorts right after Mohomo died. There was a split between those who wanted a chosen leader to succeed and those who wanted someone from Mohomo's bloodline to succeed.

>>133652368
Marrying first cousins generation after generation. Look it up, faggots- it's been written about in major UK news sources.

>>133652368
Lots of reasons (these kinds of things never have just one cause), but chief among them is probably INBREEDING. Inbreeding is devastating for human IQ-- seems like the brain is a complex organ, very easily disrupted by the effects of genetic load.

They never had and probably will not have an enlightenment or any need to reform anything because they will never have a large enough group of smart people to overcome the terroristic, anti-intellectual enforcement of total conformity.