/pol/, what are some flaws in capitalism? I'll start: planned

>>133625077
Provides enough food/welfare for commies to survive and even breed.

Major flaw.

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>>133625207
>Provides enough food
Not so fast

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>>133625542
>3rd world African countries run by warlords= capitalism

Nice try retard. During the past 100 years WHITE societies have only ever been starving under two conditions:
>War
>Communism

Pathetic.

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>>133625077
>planned obsolescence:
Oh yes, because you'd be so happy using a cell phone from the 90's, would you?

Planned obsolescence is a myth, it is just the natural market adaptation to consumer's preferences. People prefer to buy at lower prices and renew more often so they got the same thing with newer upgrades than buy a very expensive one and be stuck with an obsolete piece of shit the next 10 years. It is just the typical socialist BS to vilify economic freedom in order to push for more government control.

And I use cell phones as an example, but this applies to most other stuff as well (cars, clothing, etc). Thanks to 'planned obsolescence' technology progresses faster as producers are almost obligated to improve constantly their products or lose their customers to the other companies who do.

Not to mention that due to it people resell in the second hand market products that often aren't even past half their use life and thanks to that poorer people that couldn't have afforded a brand new product can now have access to it.

There is literally no real argument against 'planed obsolescence', it's all anti-market totalitarian propaganda.

>>133625077
People say "we don't need regulations because lawsuits will make companies stop"

But then they never, ever do, even after both a civil AND criminal penalty.

>>133626273
Planned obsolescence is why Nintendo systems from the 80s still work fine, but modern Xboxs fail mere months after you buy them with mysterious errors that are impossible to diagnose or fix at home.

>>133626401
Or maybe the technology has gotten more complex? (and therefore more prone to failure)

Duh.

>>133626605
Good to know that thanks to Capitalism, future video game systems will be $600 to play for one day.

>>133625077
Created a platform for commie scum to speak their empty degenerate minds

It has got to the point that we are being sold obsolete technology so companies can milk their current shit for longer.

The flaws of capitalism is that it inevitably morphs into imperialism, because it is an unstable system which requires growth and can't live off just internal market. And imperialism makes wars inevitable, both for markets and for resources. Also there's a global earthwide limit of consumption, so as soon as capitalism hits this limit it will be in permanent crisis state.

Only socialism with planed economics can exist globally without such excesses.

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>>133625077
>fills up garbage dumps
You sure won't find that in Communist land, where people are reduced to starvation-induced cannibalism.

>>133626038
>India is a 3rd world country run by warlords

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States

>>133626296
They also say regulations are bad and government involvement in the free market infringes "muh freedom" but without progressive policy we'd be working 14 hour days in factories making plastic rice and getting cancer for our capitalist masters and living in a polluted environmentally degraded country.

>>133626273
Those old nokia phones last longer and are more durable that this glass phone iphone 13.7 bullshit. I don't need a new toaster model every year. Just give me something that lasts and can be repaired. But that would hurt profits.

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>>133626674
Then nobody will buy them and the companies will go bankrupt....

Shitty argument, there are plenty of legitimate flaws of capitalism, this is not one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>133625077
Capitalism has its flaws, but if you are going to use that to promote communism, then the only flaw that I see of capitalism is that it doesn't do enough to rid the world of your ilk.

Saged and hidden. Better dead that Red.

>>133626970
The Red Ring of Death machines sold 84 million units.

But you know, nice theory with absolutely no evidence.

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>>133626914
>India
Yes parts of India are still clearly 3rd world, and again: NON-WHITES are not the same as WHITES.

>Hunger in the US
GTFO with that idiocy. 2/3 of our adult population is fucking overweight. If people are hungry here it's because:
>they're too lazy to walk to the soup kitchen
>they spend their money on dumb shit.

Shouldn't you be in a bread line somewhere?

>>133626800
Oh this is a really good point too anon. Our capitalist system collapsed in the 30s with the Great Depression. The government and economists had no idea what to do while people were living in shanty towns and starving. At the same time the USSR had an industrial boom. Guess how we came out of it? WW2. Only by profiting by the destruction and murder of Europe were we able to recover. Then it collapsed again in the 80s and again in 2007.

>>133625077
Bukowski was a fucking genius

Fuck jobs.
Fuck wage slavery.

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>>133627180
>they literally fix it for free if you send it back
>you are completely free never to buy anything from them again
Welp, this proves it. Capitalism has clearly failed us because your Xbox broke!

>also
>being a console peasant in the current century

>>133626674
Well, most probable if you keep buying garbage from Microsoft, that's for sure.

>>133625077

Sounds like Bukowski just hates life for what it is. You have to survive, and survival isn't really fun always, but you have to have a good attitude. There are other aspects and rewards as well for work.

Capitalism can be wasteful, that's a big thing I don't like.

>>133627239
The point is that India has embraced capitalism.

>>133627002
Yah cover your eyes and ears because you're too afraid to have your views challenged you coward

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>>133626800
>imperialism is inevitable
You do realize that trade exists right?
It's a lot less costly to trade with your neighbor than to try and conquer and occupy them.

>using "consumption" as a key variable
Stahp.

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>>133628243
Imperialism of a different context anon

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>>133628026
No, they point is that they're fucking subhumans and if they had adopted communism instead they would be even fucking worse off just like all of Eastern Europe was.
>Seize the designated shitting streets of production!

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>>133625077
Flaws with communism: everyone starves to death.

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>>133628553
Would you all prefer direct occupation?
>looking at you Warsaw Pact

Also, before we get too far off on a tangent i'm AGAINST (((international capitalism))). i'm simply forced to defend it here because you are all a bunch of commie retards who are attacking it for the wrong reasons.

It IS far more efficient & "peaceful" than communism, the problem is the soullessness and destructive effects that it has on the fabric of different peoples and nations.

>>133628243
>It's a lot less costly to trade with your neighbor than to try and conquer and occupy them.
tell that to your politicians :^)

>>133628563
>off just like all of Eastern Europe was.
You're a complete dumbass. Most of Eastern Europeans want communism back. Capitalism has DESTROYED Eastern Europe. People are sold into sexual slavery everyday. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Western capitalists swooped in and using their money bought everything. The BIGGEST wealth transfer in history occurred thanks to capitalism. Little did they know they had to be imperialist exploiters to profit from capitalism. But thank god those godless gommies are gone. Don't go up to an Eastern European and smugly ask "hows capitalism" because they will beat you up on the spot for insulting them like that.

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>>133625077

>>133625077
everything in this pic applies to communism too, with the exception that you get shot if you dont jump out the bed when the clock calls

>>133625207
fbbp

>>133629387
you seen that on television?

>>133629179
As a former eastern european who had to live under communism for more than 15 years i politely ask you to fuck of kid. And as a German Minority, we had it GOOD compared to the normal russkies

>>133629609
lived through it. You ?

Capitalism has only 1 problem, and it eventually solves itself.

Some folks will eventually start to accrue wealth at a rate that beats inflation and will continue to do so until they have all the money.

At which point the poor kill/eat the rich and re-distribute the wealth, resetting the system.

>>133625077

None, it's the best system mankind has ever devised, no other system has gotten more people out of poverty and continues to do so. Look at China, India, never been better.

And as a bonus, responding to your picture, you don't have to do any of that if you don't want. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. Your mind might block you from starting, making excuses, but it's possible. I myself come from nothing and am on track to be a millionaire. And no that doesn't mean I actually horde money, it means I have close to a million working for me in the economy. Money that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for me and capitalism. Imagine how many people have a job simply because of that.

I hope you do well in life and I hope you one day find a country to test out communism so you can prove it works, finally. I know last time it didn't work, but I heard that wasn't real communism/socialism.

Goodluck man. I'll akways go to the country which provides the most chances, if that isn't America or Europe, I'll move to Asia. You can never stop capitalism.

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>>133625077
Capitalism can be controlled.


ex. banned Poisons like DDT no longer in use.

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Sounds like you cucks need some guidance

Riggedit.com

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>>133629003
>Would you all prefer direct occupation?
They had no choice because capitalism spreads like a cancer and would eventually surround one of the only socialist countries. Still the US forcefully removes foreign governments it doesn't like, puppets them, then buys the country up and corrupts it. It's a sick cycle. People living in European countries can tell you the US has a lot of control. The US spies against German people for example.

>Also, before we get too far off on a tangent i'm AGAINST (((international capitalism))). i'm simply forced to defend it here because you are all a bunch of commie retards who are attacking it for the wrong reasons.
What is your solution then?

>>133625077
Joke's on him, I'm a net loss for my company XD

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>>133629089
The kikes that run our country aren't concerned with money, they're concerned with power. You sound like the hippy retards who think we invaded Iraq for "oil".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ

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>>133625077
Don't you have a scorpion stick and a rice bowl to eat?

>>133629283

Keynes is a pyramid scam, last in (current generation) won't get shit. They're fucked. You better prepare yourself, that's all I can say.

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>>133629179
>Western capitalists
You mean Jews

>swooped in and bought everything
Yeah, and before that they were in complete control of everything anyways. You want from direct slavery to indentured servitude, you can thank the heebs for that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wHzx2ymFk

>>133629974
-Soviets destroying a viable Afghan Government marching into Afghanistan after the Farmers revolt and murdering 1.3 Million Afghans isnt bad in your book ?
And you fucking moron really Think that the US are the only ones spying on their friends ?
Jesus Christ how fucking naive are you ?

>>133629777
you got shot in the ddr for oversleeping?

thank god your survived :^)

>>133629822
this only works when everyone is armed with swords, we are living in a age with flying death robots who can rain hellfire missiles on you.

not to mention the total surveillance through smartphones

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Communist propagandists have only ever really been effective at criticizing existing systems. They've never been able to construct a working system at any point.

You can see the commie spammer adjusting his shilling to this.

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>>133629677
Ok so you lived in the tail end of communism when it tried to implement capitalist practices. Trust me kid, you're not going to see wealth under capitalism either.

>>133629995
>Source: Black Book of Communism
>Sun News
LOL

>>133629978
Crashing this system with no survivors. Doing Gods work anon

>>133630280
you sure are an idiot arent you ?
I left with a part of my Family when the UDSSR broke down. Only then my parents started to tell me how People got treated when they were Young, We got treated like shit too, but compared to the Generation living under communism before us we had it really good, and yeah if you got on someones nerves there, there was the possibility of "disappearing" at night.
And i am not from DDR im WolgaGerman

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>>133629974
Isn't it obvious? The only system that was free from (((them))). The system that would have provided future of prosperity AND happiness rather than debt slavery (capitalism) or outright slavery (communism).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

>>133626401
An NES didn't have an optical drive nor did it put out anywhere near the what the Xbox 360 did. Run games off a hard drive and design a cooling system and the 360 will last just as long.

>>133630502

>if I deny the millions starved and tortured to death I can continue shilling

Every time.

look reddit i know you're young and impressionable, thinking everything should be fair and everybody equal but that's but the case

capitalism has its flaws but it's no excuse to astroturf our board with your socialist / communist views

capitalism is a hundred times better than the alternatives, you should read some economic books

>>133625077
>Bukowski

Dude I say fuck and shit in my writting, that means I'm an artist!

>>133625077
For every flaw in capitalism there is 100 thousand dead communists

>>133625077
all flaws in the current system are fixable

>by the elimination of the corporation forcing companies to be owned and run by an individual thus that person being held responsible for all actions.

>Limit the size of companies enforcing anti trust laws require a company to be hedquarted in that country and subject to its taxes.

> Eliminate all corporate welfare and subsidies and all crony capitalist practices.

>nationalizing the central banks killing the control mechanism of the secret rulers of the world.

>During the temporary nationalization of all banks declare a day of jubilee performing a one time forgiveness of all loans.

>Eliminate all support for single mothers forcing women to once again to be dependent upon their husbands and families instead of the state forcing them to make more carful choices.

Do this and you create true competitive markets eliminating monopolized markets there is no difference whether controlled by the government or a private corporation a monopolized market without competition is not good for consumers or workers.

>>133625077
The only flaw I see is that people who are good at it make the losers jealous and then the losers get violent.

>>133625077
Dirty commies dont even shower.

>>133625077
Here is something a little more your speed because there are no communists over the age of 18

>>133631565
Forgot link lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz9fX_HfsXA

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>>133631614
Commissioned by Porky INC

>>133632811
Great rebuttal
You wonder why nobody takes your ideology seriously

>>133625207
fpbp

honestly as much as I like freedom, some people are just begging to be permanently physically removed with all their bullshit

>>133632968
Nothing to rebute, the cartoon mischaracterizes Marxist theory

Make this easy for me, just accept marx's teachings :^)

>>133631094
>by the elimination of the corporation forcing companies to be owned and run by an individual thus that person being held responsible for all actions.
You've killed the stock market completely. And also haven't solved anything, considering most companies have a board chairman already.

>Limit the size of companies enforcing anti trust laws require a company to be headquartered in that country and subject to its taxes.

Not sure what the HQ thing is supposed to do, just don't let the company avoid paying it's taxes. Of course, if the government was competent enough to actually manage that, it wouldn't be a problem. So I don't see why you think handing more control to the government will magically make things better.

>>133625077

> it is so cool you give up on procreation

>>133625077
That quote makes the assumption that there's an alternative though. Even in the ideal communist community someone still has to wake up at 4 in the morning to milk the cows, fluff the rabbits, and shake the eggs out of the chickens or whatever it is farmers do.

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>>133633373
>accept some retard's ideas that have literally never worked anywhere they've been implemented to make society better

Why tho?

>>133625077
>planned obsolescence: consumer goods are planned not to last.

Ah, so under Communism, you could make full-glass smartphones that do not break their screen when you drop them, and have batteries that do not lose any capacity at all over time.

In fact, every engineer in the world is part of a giant conspiracy to suppress these technological advances from being implemented in current smartphones, even if they are common knowledge to engineers and could be implemented at just a small cost.

You could also make car engines with parts that do not wear down over time and metal that does not rust. We could wear clothes that do not develop holes, perhaps hemp that has become immune to mold and rotting.

sage

>>133634081
Oh, Elon Musk is also either in on the conspiracy as well or deliberately mislead by """THEM"""" (THE TOP-HAT MEN) because he claims to be investing in ways to reduce battery charge decline over time. The reality is of course that we already have this technology but capitalists are preventing its use.

The capitalists are so strong that they prevent such technological developments in every country in the world - Venezuela, North Korea, Russia, Canada, Indonesia, Burma - all of these could develop CONSUMER GOODS THAT DO NOT BREAK if they were not prevented by the capitalists.

Because I get free coffee, spend the first few hours on /pol, have detailers to do all the bitch work, have 2 hour lunches on the company dime.

The first few years of a desk job were torture, but now I like it because I wouldnt get out of bed til 10:30 otherwise.

>>133626273
Planned obsolescence isn't a meme. IPhones are known to mysteriously slow down. Every time a new iPhone is released and it's common knowledge that cars aren't built to last forever.

We know the last one for sure because se!I trucks are designed to last forever and they can keep going with millions and millions of miles on them. You're lucky to get 200,000 from a car. Oil changes are the same way, a car can go for at least 7,000 miles without a change yet cars with sensors to do so will tell you to change every 5k.

Surely you aren't this dense

>>133633956
The end game of communism is that with technology and the production of products meant to be used instead of sold we will have shorter working days.

>>133633985
Why not? You know you want to join our side comrade

>>133634081
Early capitalist model cars were sturdy and reliable as fuck. Modern cars aren't meant to last anymore. They cover the engine with plastic now. They aren't designed to be easily repairable. Just accept workers producing products to be used instead of for profit by capitalists will make better products.

>>133634593

>Planned obsolescence isn't a meme.

See:

Ah, so under Communism, you could make full-glass smartphones that do not break their screen when you drop them, and have batteries that do not lose any capacity at all over time.

In fact, every engineer in the world is part of a giant conspiracy to suppress these technological advances from being implemented in current smartphones, even if they are common knowledge to engineers and could be implemented at just a small cost.

You could also make car engines with parts that do not wear down over time and metal that does not rust. We could wear clothes that do not develop holes, perhaps hemp that has become immune to mold and rotting.

Oh, Elon Musk is also either in on the conspiracy as well or deliberately mislead by """THEM"""" (THE TOP-HAT MEN) because he claims to be investing in ways to reduce battery charge decline over time. The reality is of course that we already have this technology but capitalists are preventing its use.

The capitalists are so strong that they prevent such technological developments in every country in the world - Venezuela, North Korea, Russia, Canada, Indonesia, Burma - all of these could develop CONSUMER GOODS THAT DO NOT BREAK if they were not prevented by the capitalists.

>IPhones are known to mysteriously slow down.

No shit - because they have a single operating system they are constantly adding features to, and even if some features are disabled in older phones, it still slows them down. This is very reasonable, so they can avoid having a separate code base for every single iPhone model.

>and it's common knowledge that cars aren't built to last forever.

See above

>they can keep going with millions and millions of miles on them. You're lucky to get 200,000 from a car.

No shit, you can make a good last longer if you put a shitload more resources and work into making it.

cont.

>>133635247
>trucks can keep going with millions and millions of miles on them. You're lucky to get 200,000 from a car.

You can, in fact, buy cars engineered to be able to drive much, much longer. You just buy the TAXI model. Of course, it also cost a lot more, because it's designed to be more solid in every way.

>BUT I WANT HIGHLY DURABLE GOODS WITH A SHITLOAD OF WORK PUT INTO THEM, BUT PAY ONLY THE LOW PRICE OF THE EASILY MADE LOW-EFFORT GOODS

Fuck off

>>133633956
yeh and then your done and go back to sleep if you want

working 9 to 6 is a capitalist idea.

also consider this: all the people who are too rich to work nowadays will help too

>>133634905
>The end game of communism is that with technology and the production of products meant to be used instead of sold we will have shorter working days.
I don't know why you'd imply things that are sold for profit are useless, generally they're very useful which is why people want to buy them. Eliminating the market for novelties isn't going to magically turn out devices that let everyone live like a NEET and typically products that were novelties in their infancy end up being developed into genuinely useful things later. The personal computer was a novelty when it was invented and based on what you're saying under communism it would have been cast aside in favor of an improved mechanical type writer.

>>133635450
Soviet goods lasted longer. I guess THOSE COMMIES were using MAGIC

Or maybe they simply weren't driven by profit. Hmmmm

>>133625077
>planned obsolescence

Make the same product without it. Wont the customer buy yours instead?

>Decreased product quality

They make what you buy. That is literally how it works. Stop buying shit and it goes away. Turns out many people are ok with that so its exists as a product.

>>133635479
>yeh and then your done and go back to sleep if you want
Wow you'd really get to go back to sleep at 6 or 7 PM because you finished all your work? That sounds much better than how we live now.

>>133628026

India is massively underdeveloped in most of it. Idiots forget this because their upper class is absorbing western culture. Those toilet witch jokes are based off real life.

>>133635866
Not readily apparent. You can't compete with people who make cheap shit filled with rat skeletons and cockroach carcasses.

>>133635736
Soviet products were terrible and certainly didn't last longer. If more survive today it's because they were repaired out of necessity well past where they would have been thrown away in the west.

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>>133625077
Let's start with some info on gommunism
pic related

>>133636004
it would be much sooner since you wont have to produce unnecessary surplus.

also you forgot to mention that we are talking about a perfect system, that means much more people would be helping since everyone is doing something productive.

you probably wouldnt even need to do it everyday since everyone who is employed in a useless position would be farmers or bakers too and would collaborate (marketing for example isnt needed in communism)

>>133635479
Working on a farm is rewarding and you can set your own hours mostly if it's a small farm.

Standing around for 12 hours each day pushing a box around a corner or answering phones is not rewarding. And it is even more mentally exhausting, strangely enough.

That's probably capitalism's biggest flaw, in conjunction with moral relativism it pushes pointless unskilled labour on people, thus making them increasingly stupid.

>>133635866
Because everyone can be a producer...
You really have to not understand basic economics to be a captalist. It is literally scientology for people who care a lot about trinkets.

>>133635736
Yes, Soviet iPhones were better, faster, did not slow down with updates and did not break their glass as easily as modern day ones..

Or maybe you used Soviet goods and have personal knowledge of this, instead of just propaganda.

Maybe you should buy a phone like the Caterpillar ones. Or a rugged portable, it's like a regular one but with an inch of rubber on every side making it huge and bulky. Of course, Soviet laptops could be rugged and durable but as thin and light as Western ones.

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>>133636399
WTF I'm a capitalcuck now

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>>133636952
nah, you're just a jew

>>133626038
8 million dead in the Great Depression.

>>133625077

Well what you said sounds good other than really what you are describing is CAPITALISM.

The Chinese making things for us which are for us not them and the quality suffers because were the ones with the end product!

Honestly TRUMP should ban all goods from China. They are an exact example of what I am talking about. They also are not German of White people. So their Engineering is built like the way white people build things. The very same things which the rest of the world trys to reproduce.

Trade Your Capitalism with Globalism and I'll start agreeing with you.

>>133625077
>/pol/, what are some flaws in capitalism?

There are none, it just as fucking usual communist have no idea what the fuck Capitalism actually is.

You point out some valid shit companies do, but that's not the fault of Capitalism that's the fault of the consumer. Companies wouldn't build shit like that if nobody bought it!
And funnily enough I've never seen a communist who didn't have an iPhone or top end Android phone.

>>133628006
I've read everything by Bukowski. Going by that, he did not hate life. He was an optimistic pessimist; loved life on the edge, while at the same time realising its fragility.

>>133636850
You don't see the ridiculousness with normies creaming themselves every 6 months over a new 600 dollar iphone. I had an expensive mac laptop. After a fucking year the plastic was chipping off. The disk drive also stopped working. Could I open it up and replace it? Of course not. And I treated the laptop with a lot of care. I can't even use the dam thing anymore because the software it came with is obsolete meaning I can't use basic programs like flash or an internet browser. All these capitalist computer peripherals are falling apart as well after a year. It's fucking ridiculous. JUST MAKE A GOD DAM GOOD PRODUCT HOLY SHIT

>>133630995
hrvati su stvarno debili, a brate

>>133637224

Half of this is incoherent. LOL

First line I meant to say "Is Not Capitalism"

Third line "not German or White people"

I only say that because of reality.

>>133637544
They are deliberately made that way; that's consumer culture. I'm not a big fan of communism but all these dumbasses on /pol/ whining about the globalists yet defending capitalism with all their might are fucking hilarious, mate.

They are defending their right to be pissed off, that's all it is.

>>133625077
Bukowski was a sad, lazy man.

Prescient sometimes, but generally a trash fire.

>>133636409
While I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would approve of an entire society full of farmers I suspect it would not be as comfortable as you're imagining.

>>133625077
> Sign on as with private telecom firm.
> VC funding from Genstar the following year.
> Options bought out by new overlords.
> Retired at 35.
> Play KSP and shitpost all day now.
Seems to be working fine tbqh famalamadingdong.

>>133637544
Should've bought a thinkpad.

>>133625077
>planned obsolescence: consumer goods are planned not to last. fills up garbage dumps and pollutes our planet. leads to immense inefficiency and artificial scarcity
OHHH. That's why literally everything last longer than it used to. Fuck me. I was wondering why my last Tahoe went out at 345k miles. Fucking Capitalist.
>Decreased product quality: foods for example are the cheapest mass produced crap ever, now with more chemicals and estrogen (tm)
Because commies want fucking tacos for less than a dollar during a fucking recession. How about get a job and don't be poor.
>Commies really are this fucking stupid.

>>133637801

You can have controlled capitalism. Things can be taxed and there can be tariffs. All with in legal reasoning and interest of a nation.

Globalism is directly against those forms of protection. So are commies.

>>133637964
this post is so bad i dont even know why i replied

>>133628867
shouldnt this stereotype be with marxists?

>>133638307
Do you have an example of 'Controlled Capitalism'?

What's to stop the upper echelon (class) taking over and bending society's structure to maintain the status quo and thus 'gargantuanize' their financial gains, power and status?

In a system of capitalism that has pretty much always happened. Hell, in most systems this has mostly happened. Probably inherent to human nature; or, perhaps, current human conditioning.

>>133637544
>You don't see the ridiculousness with normies creaming themselves every 6 months over a new 600 dollar iphone.

You're changing the topic of discussion.

It turns out that people crave novelty, variety, new features, designs that look exclusive, marginally faster speeds. For this, they are willing to trade their labor.

What you are really getting at here is that you want to override or prevent that.

Well, this kind of thinking is what gave rise to the iconic Soviet concrete blocks, that people consider soul-crushing. "Who needs novelty, who needs variation? Let's make it standardized, a single barebones model!"

Macs many years ago were known to be massively overpriced for the quality of the hardware. You paid for the design and brand. You could have bought a Thinkpad. Today they are more durable.

Do you realize all the work that go into building a microprocessor? Try to trace out every step from the mining of the metal and its purification to the perfect positioning of billions of transistors. All of this effort can be bought by just some hours of stroking a mop across floors. Capitalism has given us this system. I don't trust people to avoid fucking it up.

>>133638774
>What's to stop the upper echelon (class) taking over and bending society's structure to maintain the status quo and thus 'gargantuanize' their financial gains, power and status?

Trump is an example that they haven't succeeded.

>>133638728
Red and Black is marxist anarchism. Yellow and Black is Capitalist anarchism.

>>133639109
What?

You're legit buying into this charade of Trump, anti-globalist? Trump is there because he's supposed to be there. The whole ''we're winning against the globalists!'' thing is pure theater.

Also, Trump is upper class, he's part of the upper echelon who maintain the status quo.

No one, since Kennedy, has become president of The Leader of the Free World without them having been put in that position - no one has been picked By the people For the People since Kennedy.

Nothing you fucking commie

GET OUT REEEEEEEEE

>>133639534
do you have a single fact to back that up

>>133625077
I go to office at noon because idgaf, i leave at 9 or 10pm

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>>133625077
That image is fucking retarded OP
Factory owners are the ones that give your work value, your boss is giving you the opportunity (a choice) to work at his business were he will provide you the tools to make something of value that he will advertise, distribute, and over time improve your work station so that you can even concieve this product. You getting a job is you agreeing that you will give the boss of you who is giving you the tools to work a cut in what you make because without his intervention you would not have been able to make something or provide something of value. fucking dumbass quote.

Are communists stupid? Or malicious?

I think usually both; sometimes just one.

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>>133639867
Steven Anderson on race-mixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3ccSJtJXA
"Interracial Marriage" Baptist Preaching (independent, fundamental, KJV sermon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCVeqvZKt4

>>133638881
Instead of companies deciding what innovations are made, in economic democracy (marxism) the workers would discuss needs and wants and follow through. If they valued innovation and novelty a lot they could use their extra time saved from communism and work towards it.

>Do you realize all the work that go into building a microprocessor?
Sure but it's extremely profitable because the longer the chain of production, the more and more capitalists can take from workers. There is a reason why Silicon Valley is the richest place on Earth. All the death mines in africa and sweatshops in china make it possible.

>>133639534
This

>>133639813
Yes - since his presidency, what has happened; what has changed? what damage has been done to 'le globalism' from Trump's perspective? what restoration of American values has re-risen?

I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first month in, but literally nothing has changed. And don't say nothing has changed because the powers that be are working against him, thus nothing is happening. This is wrong and turbo-autists use this argument with every American president, meaning it's asinine.

We're all being played, again, and again and again and etc.

Meanwhile Trump goes on expensive trips non-stop and the taxpayer swallows it up because there's more jobs! Which is also false.

>>133637219
That would be the market correcting an issue. A lot of stupid people put all their money in stocks and banks. A bubble was born. It eventually popped, and the millions who had been lazy suffered. A decent number of people did quite well during the great depression due to their not being retards.

>>133640164
its called the democratic process. its slow and everyone is fighting the other tooth and nail from getting anything done.
trump never called for a revolution, just a smaller government, immigration pushback and a focus on jobs. hes made steps towards all of those so far.

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>>133639867
Most cucked view in this thread

>>133640715
>Working for yourself by yourself to survive in the wild is the same as working for a capitalist in the city getting a wage so you can buy the capitalist's products
Hmm

>>133625542
Ok let me guess because capitalism magically doesn't work socialism is our knight in shining armor that's going to save everyone and give everyone everything they ever wanted right? The truth is both systems are flawed and will kill people, capitalism just kills less people.

>>133640891
>The pen signed the contract for me
>self-employment is non-existent
Appealing to "i dindu nuffin, signatures randomly appear on contracts" is not an argument.

>>133640615
You see that image is different because they didn't have choice, while under capitalism, you can choose to not work for who you hate. You can get another job. There are more opportunities under capitalism.

>Most cucked view in this thread
good one

No wonder no one takes your shitty commie system seriously

>>133639534
>Trump is there because he's supposed to be there.

Utterly retarded. Are you brain-damaged from drug use? Please refrain from doing anything whatsoever in your life that requires reasoning skills.

During the Republican nominations, Trump was one of the least business friendly candidates, simply because he was the unpredictable and disruptive choice. Businesses thrive on and pay for stability. Trump would appear a liability in every way, due to lack of experience in politics.

The RNC did everything they could to get rid of him. They were the first to pay for the pissgate dossier. But.... all of this was faked? They all just pretended to? They WANTED Trump rather than Cruz or Rubio but PRETENDED not to?

Trump had pretty much everything against him - other than the votes of the people. He won in the Republican nomination in spite of businesses and the RNC, not because of businesses and the RNC. You have to be a dangerously psycho idiot to think otherwise.

When it comes to the election itself, Hillary very obviously represented stability. She was by far the favored choice by businesses - big banks and big companies. Were they also pretending?

Even the election was so close that you cannot pretend Trump was "the choice". Small differences tilted in his favor several places -- but this was AGAINST what was predicted -- unless you also believe that the pollsters were all part of the conspiracy.

Billionaires want globalism and stability. There was an alliance between the billionaires of the Middle East and the billionaires of the West. Saudi Arabia was the closest ally. This is the status quo that businesses want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQbAhqHoAo

Overall, saying that Trump is there "because he's supposed to be there" is not only stupid, it's dangerously demented and psychotic, conspiracy-enveloped. He won against all odds, because of the votes he got, and against the work of businesses and the rich.

>>133639919
i dont think theyre evil or stupid, just aggressively wrong

>>133641489
No shit, Communists cannot have evidence-based debates, it's all just "well, what if...".

Here is how to defeat a Communist in a debate, just ask them to show a successful example of Communism being implemented in a nation, lasting more than one generation.

>>133641623

The will to dominate every facet of the lives of others is evil.

>>133641749

Well that's the real issue. They can't let you argue against communism and they will do everything possible to get you to argue against a fictional system that they've conveniently left the gulags out of.

No one can argue against a perfect fiction. You have to keep dragging them into what is actually real.

>>133641749
Stalinist era

>>133641959
Which is what capitalists do

>>133642151
Ah, so Communism can have a state? Okay, then I guess Venezuela is also Communistic.

>>133640137
>Instead of companies deciding what innovations are made, in economic democracy (marxism) the workers would discuss needs and wants and follow through

The notion of a discussion of which processor speed and battery size should be in the annual smartphone, held with millions and millions of participants, is ridiculous. And if you really are just referring to a discussion held by a small team, then that's what we already have.

At the moment, people make and communicate their choices with money. If people buy something, it gets produced more of, and developed. They vote and pay at the same time.

>the more and more capitalists can take from workers.

For probably the majority of companies, the money that goes to the owners is a fraction of the money that goes to the workers. You can compare salary costs with after-tax profits for the companies on the stock exchange - you should find that salary transfers to employees are in most cases at least 2x profits to owners, probably usually 3-5+ times.

>All the death mines in africa and sweatshops in china make it possible.

The reason people work in mines is because they are better off than if they didn't work in mines and have absolutely nothing.

>>133642151

>controlled economy
>market economy
>market economy is more controlled than a centrally planned economy

How fucking stupid are you?

>>133625077
>what are some flaws in capitalism?
Under capitalism, plutocrats use the profits of industry to buy giant yachts for themselves. Under communism, the profits can be reinvested back into the industry to build more factories or to make production more efficient, increasing growth rate.

Under capitalism, everyone is competing with each other, and much of your budget is spent on zero-sum games like advertising and marketing and sales to give you a leg up over your competition. Under communism, there is no need to play these zero-sum games and that part of the budget can be reinvested to grow the industry more quickly.

Under capitalism, everyone is working against everyone else. If Ford discovers a clever new car-manufacturing technique, their first impulse is to patent it so GM can’t use it, and GM’s first impulse is to hire thousands of lawyers to try to thwart that attempt. Under communism, everyone is working together, so if one car-manufacturing collective discovers a new technique they send their blueprints to all the other car-manufacturing collectives in order to help them out. So in capitalism, each company will possess a few individual advances, but under communism every collective will have every advance, and so be more productive.

>>133626674
If in the future $600 will still be relatively worth a lot then if video games will cost that much money that means we'll be vastly richer. You can't just price your fucking shit at a million dollars without losing business almost entirely when your consumer base is dirt poor you fucking idiot

I'm "right wing" but I believe capitalism is fucked up, at least the modern version we have

When you get red pilled on the Rothschild owned Central Banks and how they fuck over the world you will be mad as fuck.

>>133629283
t. someone who doesn't understand "Austrian capitalism"

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>>133642912

>every single communist leader has made himself and high ranking party members into those plutocrats and made living conditions worse for the lower classes

>>133643143
>When you get red pilled on the Rothschild owned Central Banks and how they fuck over the world you will be mad as fuck.
This sounds interesting. Can you drop some redpills in here for the plebs

>>133643270
USSR GREATLY reduced wealth inequality. No more fat cat banksters and capitalists living in undeserved opulence. Or incompetent nobles either. In this goal, they were successful.

(((Bukowski)))
Dropped

>>133643143
Central banks are inconsistent with free market principles

>>133643816

>USSR GREATLY reduced wealth inequality. No more fat cat banksters and capitalists living in undeserved opulence. Or incompetent nobles either. In this goal, they were successful.

But that's objectively false. The high ranking party members drove around in limos and ate at banquets while the rest of the country waited days for food at empty markets. It made wealth inequality worse than ever.

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>>133642912
These are great anon, thank you

>>133634593
You can talk all you want about the good ol' times when cars lasted forever but it was a fact that not every family could afford one. Now many middle class families in the US often have two cars and maybe some motorcycle or moped for some of their sons.

You can still buy cars that last the same as those back then, they just are more expensive than the others most people buy because... higher quality?. Back then a car was a luxury, if you buy a luxury car today you'll get the same long use life as those back then. The only thing that has changed is that lower income people have been given an option that didn't exist before, and accidentally the "superior" cars look like if they had been made more expensive.

>surely you aren't this dense
Maybe it's you that should consider whether you have let yourself be fooled by mainstream points of views without considering them critically. Don't fall for the propaganda.

>>133643816
>USSR GREATLY reduced wealth inequality
Wealth inequality is a stupid issue to cry over when everyone has the same amount of power through the state (which is none). Would you rather that there was no wealth inequality and everyone were dirt poor or would you rather have wealth inequality but prosperity for nearly everyone nonetheless?

>>133643816
The Central Banks are private banks and governments borrow money from them which we repay by paying taxes. These elite bankers have a monopoly on the money supply and profit from it, they also created the Housing Bubble. Also get behind the concept that debt =money.

Then the question arises: so these are private banks and not owned by the state, then who owns these banks and where do the profits go?

Here's a good video to get started down this path:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1NVPEg1jrQ