Why are tradies so much more successful than STEMfags? They

They have zero eyhics and would kill their mother for a steak dinner. Mothing to aspire to.

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I fell for the STEM meme.
Now I'm lucky enough to have a job that incorporates some of my studies and ... ah fuck it, here's a pic I took at work today.
I'm happy doing this as a job though.
I've done office work, warehouse work. This actually suits me. Sure as hell don't need a STEM degree for it though.

>>133616687
idk

>>133616687
ITT a bunch of manual laborers lying about their comp and getting mad at their STEM degrees bosses

>>133617420
You dump trash in the outback?

>>133616687
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

t. Aerospace and Mechanical Engineer

>Mfw council gardening apprentice
>Getting 19k day one rising by 5% every six months up to 60k.

I litrally cut some grass then hide in the depot with a cup of tea.

>>133616687
SIPS
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>>133617626
do u smoke that grass, mang?

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>>133617626
pic related, rare mushroom shoe

>>133617595

>t. Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering student

Fixed that for you. Anyone actually in the field would be more specific with the job title. Let me know how the real world treats you, hope you have a 3.8+ GPA and 2+ internships :^)

Personally I'm enjoying owning a home with $0 in student loans.

Is electrical engineering STEM or Tradie?
It feels blue collared af but I earn 50k+ just out of uni

>>133616687
They aren't. I did construction (home remodeling) before getting a STEM degree. 2 years later I'm student loan debt free, own a home and make more than 90% of the people in my city.

>>133617824
Nice try kiddo, but I'm not posting my job title on /pol/ or the number of years of experience.

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>>133616687
>live in Argentina
>100% tuition free university
>degree in Finance
>work from my home trading stocks
>come here and laugh at tradies and indebted burger STEMfags every day
Life is good.

>>133617626
I take it you hide because you technically don't have a cutting license

>>133617872
Best of both worlds. I am a "Facility Engineer" and make 55k . I'm honestly happy with my job and I can't imagine what a basic 4 year degree would help me with income-wise. Once I finish my electrical school at a local community college I'll be bumped up to 60k.

>>133617420
'Straya never ceases to amuse me!

>>133618175
If you can't understand compounding income and more flexible, deeper career paths, then I am not surprised you couldn't become a real engineer.

>>133618011
because you don't have one

>>133618011

I'll post mine. Firefighter/paramedic, $57k a year, 2 years on the job.

Come on brah, it's an anonymous Cambodian croquet strategy forum, you can post some basic information here. Unless you're just LARPing and you're actually just a college student.

Unless you want to become a programming autists I honestly don't know how anyone makes a living in the mathematical end of STEM.

I really don't know where to turn.

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>>133617595
Must feel good, my degree has done fuck all for me so far. Nothing but faggot contract positions. Apparently you need years experience before you even leave college now

t. econ and petroleum and natural gas engineer fag
>yes I did intern as well

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>fell for stem meme
>120k/yr computer engineer
>comfy small business
you got me OP

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>>133618541
>Must feel good, my degree has done fuck all for me so far. Nothing but faggot contract positions. Apparently you need years experience before you even leave college now

I'd rather be an EE than an electrician. Electricians don't do design work as much as they do crawling through walls to plug things in, and that's not what I want to do with my life.

>>133618629
My dad is an electrical engineer but he graduated at a time when IBM was becoming a power house. He said he had 4 offers before he even graduated college.

>>133616687
you tradefags would probably be fine if you all just drank water. That's why you all have back problems at 30, and are immobile by 40

A friend of mine owned a pretty large landscaping company that I did work for during college. We'd be out eight hours and he'd not take a single sip of water, while I had gone through bottles. His back is fucked now because his spinal disc dried out from dehydration

>>133618629
Electricians are basically high voltage network IT at the end of the day..

>>133618051
>Argentina
>stock market

Kek

Yeah this thread pretty much hits the nail on the head. Fuck me
>STEM degree
>90k/yr in an area where cost of living is not stupidly high like san fran or ny
God i hate my life

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>>133618724
why would you drink water when you could sip instead

>>133616687
tradesmen are treated worse than dirt here. My housing society employs a 24/7 plumber, electrician, etc. All of them get paid about $100 per month, which is low even by our standards.

>>133618145
I don't need one I work for the council. I hide incase theres a senior around who needs me to do newguy shit.

>>133618524
He's larping m8.

>>133618873

Try not living in India next time, brah.

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>>133618873
That's because third world countries have yet to develop the concept of ethics.

>Why are tradies so much more successful than STEMfags?

Because in 20 years your job of screwing bolts will be automated.

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£24k working in the yard fabricating or up to £32k a year working as a pipe fitter/welder out on site and out of town. I do a bit of both but I prefer on site not just for the money but the work is better.
Most of my friends still look down at me for being in manual labor but I earn more than most of them and would kill myself if I had to sit in office all day.

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>>133616687
I have an MS in Biochemistry but I work as a manager filling out MS office forms all day in a cube.

Sucks, but $70K where I live is pretty good, better than what I was getting working as even a development scientist.

Just applied to law school, planning to go on as a IP attorney for pharma companies...but the cost is so high ill have to go into debt again.

Possible bonus I'd be able to run for judge or something later on in life and be one less hyper liberal judge on the bench.

Should I do it?

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>>133619135

I am currently a realtor in south texas that spent SIX YEARS for a dual degree in english and philosophy like a dumbass.

Got my real estate license online in about a month and currently make 100k a year in my third year. If i could do it over agian I would have gone army or learned a trade.

College is getting fucking ridiculous. I graduated in 2012 too before all this SJW really hit peak

>>133618698
Maybe pops was just that good. If youve got superior skill headhunters will find you

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>>133619152
>10 or less

>>133616687

Work ethic, since STEM produces very few people that actually innovate and take huge risks

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>>133618873
>plumber


Lost it. Thanks Sanjay.

>>133619190
Only if you make it your personal policy that niggers serve double the time.

>>133619190

If it's what you want, then yea

>>133616687
>Falling fot the STEM meme
lmao what is this, the 50's? every STEM job can be done by a technician, you're nothing but glorified blue collar labor

>>133616687
>Why are tradies so much more successful than STEMfags?
>t.knows nothing about trade workers
A lot of them do an equivalent of 4 years of technical training outside of work.
Electricians have to go to school for 4 years before they can get their Journeyman's License, and another 1-2 years to get their Master's and work independently.
They'll earn the equivalent of a stem major, too, depending on level of training and business ownership.

>>133618496
Sure showed me as I take my morning shit before work.

>>133617626

Government jobs are effectively bribes and nothing to brag about. You're just telling us you are stupid, you also have no morals and don't care that you're hurting everyone who pays taxes.

>>133616687
I did two years of Comp Sci, racked up $30k in debt, then learned iOS development on my own via Lynda.com and dropped out. I got an internship for mobile development and 2 years later I'm making $95k in Detroit (which is good for this area).

My point is that if you want to write code for a living, fuck college. It won't make you a great programmer or even a good one. It's much better to teach yourself and get in as an intern somewhere. I learned more in 6 months on the job than I did in my entire academic career. It's much better.

Seriously the STEM degree is nothing more than a meme for comp sci majors. You don't need it and I guarantee I can evaluate algorithmic space/time complexity than just about everyone I work with that has a fancy degree.

>>133616687

>Fell for stem meme
>Graduated with BS comp eng
>First year of work at 82.5k/yr
>About to get a promotion
>Already have over 10k in stocks, could buy a car at any time with a full down payment if I wanted

Good one OP

>>133618541
AYYYY
WE ARE

>>133618763
Our stock market was the best performing in LATAM last year.
Anyway I trade on futures, DOW and mine bitcoin on the side.

I went to liberal arts school. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>133617824
owning a home begins when the bank note is paid off, bucko

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>>133619190
Only Bog can judge me

>>133619771
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's what their thought you, right?

>>133618541
I have a Petroleum Engineering degree, biggest mistake of my life. I may get lucky and get to work as a Inside Sales Representative because I also got a MBA. There is also the chance I may get a job at a PR firm which is totally a different step but at this point I really need a job and the O&G Industry can go fuck itself with the way they are acting/hiring.

>>133616687
They all end up broken by 40. As much you want to believe you'll all be running your own business by then and leaving the hard work to other people it's statistically impossible that you'll all end up doing so.

>>133616687
Its useless to do stems if you are mediocre. If you are good, you join google, goldman sachs or something, you pull 200k in your twenties and laugh at manual workers deteriorating their health for a third of it at most.

>>133619779

t. pays rent to landlord Shekelstein every month

Come back once you've bought a house, kiddo.

>>133616687
STEM alone is not a guarentee of success. There are speciifc STEM fields (Like computer science, or electrical engineering) which are valuable across many different job titles.
studying chemistry or rocks isn't going to get you that far, definitely not 60k$ worth far.

>>133619135
Fuck that

>>133617267
theres that perfect stem grammar again. i swear most of you guys are autistic and thats why you just end up in your parents house after college

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>tfw you're a music songwriter/producer/artist and you're really really really good
>tfw took 4 years to start arriving but now I could make more than 100k a year easily at entry-level starting money for what I do, literally only gigging Fri-Sun, and thats not counting any royalties that develop
>if things really take off in next few years, could make millions and millions
>tfw I went to trade schools for this instead of meme-tier, sjw-filled, music "schools", so literally zero debt, used all that money I saved to get really good equipment/facilities

So am I a tradie by you guys thoughts? I know now they wanna add arts to STEM so its STEAM
>inb4 fuck you (hey i dont agree with it)
but I feel like my lack of an actual college degree makes me feel like one of the tradies

Or am I not because my career situation is so unique and I'm not a physical laborer of a physical trade

>>133619633
Motherfucker I live in the uk, if it's not going to me it's going to abdul and his 3 wives and 18 kids.

>>133620146
>but now I could make more than 100k a year easily at entry-level starting money

when this happens, make this point. Until this happens, this is likely dreaming.

>>133620146

>four years into your career
>entry-level

Pick one.

>>133617824
>not having a 3.8GPA and 2+ internships
My sides, you guys are pathetic. 4 years you spend in college, and yet doing an internship during 2 of those 4 summers is apparently too hard for you. I had a 4.0 GPA my first 3 years in college, stopped giving a fuck after I already had a good job offer at the place I was a paid intern at. Made $20/hr as an intern, and best of all they have a student assistance program, so I'm now getting a Masters degree for free. Must suck being a retard incapable of planning correctly, I pity you.

Also, the student loan debts are a meme. I'm from a middle class family, and I paid a whopping $600 a semester to get a degree. One summer internship paid off all of that. I'm sorry you're uneducated about FAFSA and state grants, and willingly put yourself into debt while also not working a part-time job to pay off your tuition; we can't all be successful after all.

It always amazes me how well paid the majority of people on 4chan boards tend to be.
People wouldn't be lying on an anonymous taiwonese finger painting board now would they?

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>>133619923
What the fuck is wrong with mediocrity? It's the ultimate life as long as you're based.
>If you are good, you join google, goldman sachs or something, you pull 200k in your twenties.
Yeah...Right...
You & 600 Gorrilian other poos & zhangs

>>133620146
massive self delusion detected

>>133620409
Of course not. By the way, I made € 47,852.96 in 2016.

>>133619645
95k in Detroit is probably equivalent to like fucking 150-200k in California kek

Well done man, I'm such a believer that experience dwarfs "book" instruction by such a magnitude that its almost comical

>>133620525

Lololol, no you fucking didn't. Anyone that actually has a job would say "Yeah I made 48k in 2016". Not income down to the penny.

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>>133616687

Anyone can be a tradie.

Not everyone can succeed in STEM. That's why it's a better option to go for trade more than 50% of the time.

The IQ and strenuous work it takes to make it in STEM is wayyyyyyyy more than what they tell these kids when they push them to STEM.

You either do STEM for genuine passion, or don't do it at all. The moment you take STEM as a "get rich scheme", you're in for an abominable surprise

t. Master's in Computer Science

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>>133616687

High risk high reward, in theory.
Technically no education is actually a guarantee for anything, it merely raises your likelyhood of employment in a certain field. Law and Medicine tends to be the only real exceptions but even there you have a shitton of quacks and frauds milling around soppsedly watertight professions.

Also, society has changed very quickly and granddad and dad still think that the STEM degree is a guarantee so they, with good intentions, encourage the kids to take the plunge.

Also you usually went to college if you already had one foot in the office you were planning to work in, be that your own family business, or simply a certain workplace you fawned at as a young autist.

People working in trades can also be absolutely destroyed if world industry takes a certain turn or if there is a dip in the world economy. Builders and entire construction offices were went out of business in the last tiny recession.

>>133620525
Why so poor play your cards right and you could make that in gibs alone here and get a free house and car on top of it

>>133620752
I have my income notice at hand, because I did my taxes today. It's that exact amount.

>>133620835
I am not a leech, I'd rather earn my money by contributing to some degree.

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>>133620494

This. The great money that comes from STEM jobs, is for the few. And 90% of those who make big bucks in STEM jobs, are usually so humble and nerdy that they do things like stash it aside for 40 years and let their children blow it all on stupid shit.

>>133618841
About to hit the shop for one of these puppies on my way to work as a heavy duty mechanic. 4 days off after today gonna go camping and canoeing.

Live in the nicest part of the country because there's jobs everywhere staymad STEMFAGS stay salty CITYFAGS

>>133620535
I interviewed at Thumbtack in San Fran last month and yea the equivalent to live there was about $200k. I asked for $220k before we started and they said "that's easy."

It's all about experience and finding a profitable market. EVERYONE needs mobile developers. If you learn android and iOS you can name your price. We're literally hiring more devs remotely in Russia and India for android because we can find any mobile talent in Michigan. It's insane.

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>>133620409
Yeah. Everyone on here has a 10/10 wife too and an 8" dick.

>t.dropped out of high school senior year because I'd rather get high sell research Chems and fuck different women.

>all I've got to show for it is mental health issues, stories, confidence and I'm socially superior to 90%of 4chan. I kept my good looks too

>if I could go back and change it I would. Maybe. If I changed it idj if I'd meet my girlfriend I'm with still (2+ years) but desu I envy most of you nerds with lives on track. Yeah partying and pussy is cool but not worth the shit I'm going/been through
>staying on topic, if I don't start buying a kilo or more at a time or like 250+pills I'll be stuck doing trade work.

>>133621030
>EVERYONE needs mobile developers.
This is a fucked up world. We save on infrastructure but blow money on apps.

>>133620375
Suck that you live in America, your big brain should know statistically it will probably end up looking like a Jackson Pollock masterpiece soon.
https://youtu.be/Fdyyps2wmd4

Heres the trades that will be replaced by machines in the near future

Welding

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uJFhML1INQQ

Construction

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MVWayhNpHr0

Every Manufacturing Job

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966

>>133620991
So there are white animes according to this graphic, then? Fist of the north star, DBZ.

>>133618841
Monsters are literally what high school kids drink to look cool. Adults drink water and kickstarters which ironically have less sugar than a soda.

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>>133619135
Here's first world.

I wish I knew what to do. What does a bongladeshi cunt do with a degree in physics?

>>133621445
Savages.

>>133621416

We drink Monster for the caffeine. Coffee is too hot to drink on hot summer days. And the white flavor has zero sugar.

>>133616687
FWIW, I train firefighters and it's competitive as hell to get on with a decent department. 1,000 applicants for 50 jobs. six month hiring process. It's like trying to get into an elite college, trying out for a college sports team, pledging a fraternity and being investigated for burglary all rolled into one.

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>>133621231
Yeah goy, watching cartoons is totally redpilled

>>133619503
>every STEM job can be done by a technician, you're nothing but glorified blue collar labor

holy fuck is this what technicians tell themselves?

Good luck designing a scaleable tool that dynamically manages an SQL Database.

>>133619340
Woop Woop fellow valley goer. I have all my tuition and shit for my Aerospace degree fully paid by scholarships and other exemptions. I'm only a sophmore, but I'm having fun at TAMU

Bachelor chemistry and PhD. In advanced materials. I make 110k. I mostly advise people with Masters and Bachelor degrees. Started in a startup that moved to market early after I joined. It's actually a pretty exciting life. I think the STEM meme comes from people pursuing science degrees because it sounded neato to be a "scientist" after they Liked the "i fucking love science" page. Grad school is filled with bright failures with no direction in life, no drive to make their country better. After 5 years, most students only look for what job can offer them the most and don't take it as an opportunity to learn more and excel. Makes me worried that trade jobs are on the rise and science students are all around autists; this was the country who's scientific drive put them on the moon and put a computer in every household, now everyone is so selfish to just make shitloads of money that they have no ambition. If trade jobs come back in force, expect pay to go back to being shit, all you do is maintenance, and I don't see how 'murcan maintenance is going to defeat China in tech economics.

>>133616687
Trades are a good choice but you MUST start your own business. Tradies in their 40s are physical wrecks if they don't.

Race to the office my dudes.

>>133616687
>Be me, STEM fag and medical student
>In 4 years ill have a 65k job in residency
>3 years after that, ill be making 180k and will always have a job.

Tradefags BTFO

I used to be a website designer and went into plumbing. Better hours, pay, and nobody tells me it needs more "wow factor".

Wish I did it sooner. The money is crazy good once you get established.

>>133620241
Nope, already got offers to play in Vegas casinos bud for the amounts of money i said, just been focusing on the recording/songwriting side because thats where you make the big big bucks, and can demand the casinos/festivals give you tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars for one night, go look up what Calvin Harris/Tiesto/Skrillex/Avicii/Steve Aoki, etc make per night...if you're not familiar you will shit yourself

Literally in talks with major us publishing divisions here in LA (actually had them tell my manager in a meeting that my stuff was way better than the 4 people they already have signed, and that they're very interested in my songs), and a management/promotion contract with major industry players

>>133619901
>They all end up broken by 40

t. Noodly armed faggot

>>133619560
Tradies go to school for a few weeks out of the year. It's not close to full time

>>133616687
Pretty simple actually.

>30 years ago everyone worked manual labour and low skill jobs
>everyone had work experience
>few people had education
>people start getting education
>it's the only thing that seperates you from everyone else with work experience
>have kids
>tell them education is important
>Millenials all pursue education over work experience
>work experience now becomes more valuable
>immigration causes a massive boom to trades
>someone's gotta build all those rich foreigners houses
And thus trades became more valuable than getting a degree.

>>133622279
Just build a thrilling loop into the waste main. Wow!

Manual labor is for apes but all this college students larping that they make > 80k their first year out of college is just as bad

T. STEM graduate in IT who still can't find a job

>>133622409
If you want to be of use, get both. Have working experience and a degree. Nobody needs a 22 year old with nothing but a piece of paper saying he knows shit. Better have a 27 year old with both a paper and five years of on the job experience.

>>133620409
Probably just the boards you go to.lots of variation between r9k, /vp/, /diy/, /k/, etc.

>>133621666
>t. Hose dragger

Shitposting aside. A few buddies of mine are cops and one is a dispatcher. Yeah, that's putting it lightly.

>>133622605
I make more than that with no degree in STEM. My LinkedIn is blowing up week after week with people asking me to interview. WTF are you doing and where are you looking because I'm in metro Detroit and I'd hardly call it a booming economy over here.

>>133622605
>Manual labor is for apes
Nigga, who's going to build a proper building if you leave all of it to the numbfucks? Even worse, what if their supervisor is a 20 something with an attitude because he graduated college, but never did any of the work he now tries to get in order.

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>>133622689
>diy
Ha ha, pictured actually exists!

>>133621215
That brick laying robot is slow as fuck

>>133622675
Well yes having both is going to become the new standard, it already is essentially

Computer Engineer by trade, Aerospace Engineer by degree, national guard. Out of school just 2 years, 60k yearly. Going up to 80k in a week, 6 digits in 2 years.

Have a tradey backup. Best advice I ever got.

>>133622380
I worked as an electrician. It's how I know.
The federal government requires so many hours of schooling.
I went to school 3 hours a week for 4 years.
The difference was I was responsible for the knowledge to be tested on, I didn't have a whole lot of teacher instruction. I still had to take test every quarter, etc.

>>133616687
Automation will take over both fields in due time.

>>133622870
Agreed. I went to culinary school first, then taught myself mobile development. If the app development market dries up, I could always pivot to a different market in software or at the very least, fall back on my cooking chops. the best thing you can do is plan for the worst.

>>133616687
Idk, I'm a PI and I make about 40k a year. though I'm only 21 so I think I've got it good compared to my older sister who doesn't have a job and went to college for (((social studies))). She's in debt with 70k.

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>>133619190
Expect to want to kill yourself every time somebody is tried by the media and you read any related layman commentary regarding what the law is/whenever finals season comes around and be hated everywhere in the world.

Other than that, it's not too bad.

>>133620316
>2 years of audio engineering and music production trade school
>2 years spent developing AAA tier original music
You have no idea how the music industry works, people spend 10+ years making NOTHING before they make it sometimes, to be just 2 years out of schooling and be this far is exceptional

The pay is considered entry level because its what the absolutely lowest tier of performer gets, without them being a big "name", i.e. the "resident dj" at planet hollwood gets approx. $1500 a night

When your originals are big, then you can advance beyond that point, although "entry level" is misleading in that sense because this industry operates like no other

>>133618524
Neat. I'm a firefighter in Canada actually.

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>>133616687
>Tfw undertaker

>>133616687
>work on a bakery to pay for college
>ended up opening my own bakery, while my degree gathers mold
Still I don't regret it tho, the friends and contacts I made in college have proved valuable.

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Used my GI bill to get a meme degree, ended up with a STEM job. Now paying mortgage instead of student loans.

>>133621186
Welcome to the "free market" anon. I don't make the rules, I just play the game. If someone wants to throw a fuck ton of money at you to do a job you know shouldn't be that valued, you don't question it.

I hold casual employment with multiple unions in different trades.

I work as little or as much as I want and as long as I pay my dues my employment remains secure.

>>133622796
I'm just memeing to rustle some jimmies m8, I just don't want to do manual labor personally is all. Not going to pretend a large majority of the blue collar crowd isn't low class whites that look like they watch nascar and carry a dale earndhardt pocket knife tho.
>>133622785
I'm in Cincinnati, wtf did you do like 10 internship rotations or something? I've applied to a shit ton of places and have done a few interviews and still haven't landed anything. Every time its "we went with a candidate with more experience" aka the other persons uncle worked at the company or they hired the cute girl because the boomer manager who is divorced wants to try to fuck her

>>133623304
>If someone wants to throw a fuck ton of money at you to do a job you know shouldn't be that valued, you don't question it.
Not gonna lie, if I where you, I'd do the very same thing.

>>133623129
~40k a year, being 21 is pretty good actually. Good for you.

>>133622946
Not the federal government. Maybe your shitty state requires classroom hours. My state you just need 8000 hours and pass the test

>>133623442
What field are you in? I do iOS development and can't get recruiters to leave me alone. I did one 6-month internship at Quicken Loans in Detroit. Then got a startup to take a chance on me and never looked back. Look for startups. They usually offer equity and are more lax about their hiring standards. Once you have 1-2 years experience, you can go anywhere.

If you can apply your knowledge from your degree to practical application you will do fine. I work construction in New York City in a highly skilled trade and regularly work with engineers. The older ones who have field experience are very knowledgeable and can apply their skill in a practical way. The ones just out of school or out for a couple years can't. When something doesn't fit up and we need new prints to do the repair they design it in a way that stands up structurally but isn't practical in how the work has to be done there fore we have to improvise. That's why they make 50 thousand a year and the experiences guys make over 100. Just because you're book smart doesn't mean you can apply it to life, and that's where it matters.

>>133618051
>playing at the jewsino is a job

>>133623893

>Once you have 1-2 years experience, you can go anywhere.

Agreed. Employers don't give a shit about what you learned, they care about what you've done.

>>133618873
You're treated like dirt in the third world because you run pipes across the surface of the living room floor. I've seen you third world transplants do 'skilled' trade work here, and it's not surprising your countries are all inefficient shitholes with chronically crumbling infrastructure.

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>>133616687
Any cop/armed securityfags from NY ITT?

>>133616687
There's one motto that everyone here should follow, zero debt. Borrow for sure but only borrow well within your means and pay the fuckers back before they sting you. It doesn't matter how you earn your money, only that you know that they don't wan't you to have it.

>>133620523
>assmad NEET detected

>>133621807
I used to bathe with my father when I was little too. Cartoons are just another form of media to waste your time and time wasting is never redpilled. Reading any other book than scientific books is not redpilled as well. Leisure is part of human life, though and I love doing unproductive shit some times.

>>133616687
>honest day's work
Tradesmen are inherently dishonest. They are thieves in denial.

Was looking for parts prices for a boiler component last year.
Found a forum for plumbers. The first was asking how much he should add to the cost value of the parts - not labour. His own idea was 10%. The others lambasted him, ridiculing him, threatening him and telling him he'd fail and go bankrupt.
The others then gave their personal markup percentages.

It went like this:

Cheap part, 1 euro - increase markup by a factor of 10, so 10 euros for a 1 euro part.
5 euro part becomes 25.
10 euro part becomes 30.
50 euro part becomes 100.
and so on.
With about 30% being added to something that cost 1,000.

Then they would add the labour cost.
Note, that all they did was go to a shop and buy a part - most of which they do in bulk, and often online. Yet they felt completely justified in setting the price for most parts at 1000% above the value.

They make money because they have no morals. You can accomplish anything if you have no morals.
The only difference is, somehow what they do is legalised.

Rather than worry about STEM faggotry or trade faggotry or anything else - just learn how to do as many household tasks as possible, so you never need to hire a fucking criminal.

Should I even continue my comp sci degree, it's only been a year and a half but I feel like it's a waste of time and I won't go anywhere.

>>133624106
These nations have no standards on how to do any of these things. When they need water, they see where it comes from and just add a pipe, any pipe for that matter, and connect it in the most direct way possible. It may work, but it looks like bloody hell.

>>133623893
I hear ya man recruiters call all the time but they never do anything worthwhile for me. I'm looking for something systems analyst related or something on the database side using sql. I just need somewhere to give me a fucking chance and I'll bust my ass but these fags in upper management expect 2 plus years experience in multiple areas for entry level fucking jobs that no fresh graduate will have and HR women seem to lose the applications of white males regularly while putting nogs to the top of the stack to diversify their companies.

>>133624232
That's capitalism faggot. Literally everything you buy from a successful business is marked the hell up.

>>133618524
>57k/yr
>something to be proud of

XDDD your home is worthless. the house probably costs 20x the land its built on i.e. completely worthless

>>133618873
POO

>>133616687
>tfw engineer
>the had minimal debt coming out of undergrad
>tfw got paid to go to grad school for free
>tfw get a tax credit from my state for paying my student loans which returns more than enough cover interest giving me an interest free loan
>tfw sitting at desk staring at computer screen destroys your soul

Working on getting into farming because I cannot do this for more than a few more years.

>>133624471
This too, if the land isnt somewhere good or you're not getting an amazing deal owning a home is actually a shitty investment, especially to get in now with the market dangerously close to 2008 bubble levels

>>133624350
Exactly, they have no standards in their own countries but the cycle continues here too. Some company run by Albanians tried running freon suction lines quite literally across a finished basement at chest level and I was getting paid to fix that. Let me just say these idiots are in business anymore.

>>133624471

I work nine days a month, I'll work that any day for what I make! And my land is worth far more than the house itself!

>>133624429
That's not capitalism you trade-thief idiot cunt.

Capitalism is adding a small percentage to cover the cost for time, labour and rented selling space.

None of which applies to the imbeciles that occupy so-called trade jobs.

Tradesmen are not craftsmen - and deserve no respect whatsoever.
Plumbers, electricians, computer repair faggots, 'carpenters' etc etc - bunch of fucking incompetent thieves.

You probably think kikes are shrewd businessmen.
HAY I just bought this from a shop for 50 cents, I sell you for 50 euros!!!! lol
DAS CAPITELSME

>>133624731
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Super exciting time!!!!
WARNING!!!! TOO MUCH EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!

>>133619135
>knock down pole
>entire city's phone lines go down

>>133616687
>I don't see how anyone could justify forgoing the start of real life for four years to *maybe* come out ahead ten years after graduation.
Lets compare a common trade and a common engineering degree lets say welding and mechanical engineering.

Now lets say the welder has zero debt and the engineer accumulated 60k in student debt because he is a lazy fuck who got no financial aid somehow and never worked in college or over the summer. The welder has a median pay of just over $39k across the US meaning his starting pay will likely be below that but for simplicity we will assume both earn the median throughout their entire working career. The mechanical engineer has a median income of just over $84k.
>So calculating after 4 years the welder has earned $156k over his post-secondary career, while the engineer has earned -60k due to his extremely high debts
>So calculating to the age of 26 the welder has earned $312k since turning 18 while the engineer $276k since turning 18 paying off his debt in two years
>Jumping another 4 years to the age of 30 and the welder has earned $468k and the engineer has earned $612k surpassing the welder
>Now lets skip ahead to 65 when both retire the welder has a lifetime earnings of $1.83 million and the engineer has a lifetime earnings of $3.55 million
Of course this is a simplification but it illustrates the point that earning power makes up for early debts and delayed work force entry. Furthermore while we could take increasing wages into account engineers earn a little over twice what welders earn across the board for the most part. The lowest paid mechanical engineers earn a little less than double what the lowest paid welders earn, but it is still close to double.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/production/welders-cutters-solderers-and-brazers.htm#tab-5
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/mechanical-engineers.htm#tab-5

>>133624861

Sorry I'm happy with my life and can actually express excitement :^)

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>>133616687
I make 80k as a tradesman plumber, it's not too bad, waiting for my masters licence and I'll be paid 160/hr for overwatch on jobs, oh and I just turned 20 last month haha

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>be stem
>6 digits starting, any fucking place, any industry, any job, private sector deals for days, dont need welfare jobs
>work in space or make robots or automate art "jobs" (there is a software that writes music and news and so on, people cant tell its not human), automate trade jobs, farming jobs, lawyer jobs (lawyer office used to go trough 10 000 papers trying to find a keyword such as "smoking gun" or whatever, now ctrl+f cut like half of the lawyers out of existence), self driving cars, automate service industry, replace mickey dee retards with vending machines, car manufacturing 100% automated, hacking and computer shit, etc etc
>watch the butthurt and envious outrage of comparative subhumans

all of fortune 500 companies are stem
stem is the future, if you arent stem you are a 2nd class citizen
underwater basket weavers and literal trained monkeys #btfo
>inb4 future stem saturation
stem invents jobs, there is no such a thing as stem saturation, stem fucking spreads to other planets

enjoy being subhumans

>>133625034
Fuck I meant journeyman not tradesman, tradesman was my last licence..

>>133624757
It could also be that you live in Spain and its so corrupt that your trades levy corrupt-tier markups

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>>133616687
I'm going to uni this year to do a media studies degree, just tell me how you like you coffee now so I don't have to learn when i'm working in Starbucks

>>133625015
You just look like a faggot from facebook.
Also, you apologised - denoting inferiority and lack of self esteem.

>>133624385
> I just need somewhere to give me a fucking chance and I'll bust my ass but these fags in upper management expect 2 plus years experience in multiple areas for entry level fucking jobs that no fresh graduate will have and HR women seem to lose the applications of white males regularly while putting nogs to the top of the stack to diversify their companies.

Word anon, I can't catch a break anywhere. HR is fucking useless and the exp requirements are crazy for every field I've been looking into.

>>133625119
It could be that it is the same in every country.
The plumber website was from the (((UK))) anyway. Ignorant americunt.

Tradies and STEMmies are doing fine in most of the developed world, it's liberal arts (humanities) that are going to be in a world of hurt the day they graduate and realize nobody is gonna give them a job and they've wasted at least four years of their life.

Op is right. Anyone with any knowledge of the current market knows trade is the way to go.

>>133624325
What is your dream job. Ask yourself this now. If you don't know then don't spend $30k+ per year figuring it out.

>>133625175

>inability to detect sarcasm

Ahhh, actual autist detected! Okay, friendo, tell me more about how I don't like myself :)

>>133625200
Start sucking penis or licking 50+ year old minge.
The higher-ups are usually full of serious personality disorders, if you want a placement, you'll have to learn how to deal with them.

>>133618841
I do construction, only white guy ever on the job. I Love these bad bois. Hate beaners tho.

>>133624385
Hence startups. The earlier the better. I got in before seed funding and series A. We didn't have HR at the time lol

>>133625425
>Oh lol I wuz onli jokin honest lol!!!!!
Pathetic.
Next you'll be saying it was your younger brother on the computer when you were out of the room.
Back to facebook.

>>133625423
>$30k+

What in the fuck. It's like 4-5k a year in my shitty community college. Either way I don't have dreams or aspire to be anything. I just want to make money and not do manual labor.

>>133624385
Join the Navy or Air Force. Get relevant experience, decent pay, and military experience which is always a good thing to have on your resume.

>>133619365
yeah, and every project will be so fucked.

White men are better at construction then computers.

>>133625487
I prefer rockstar cuz they're cheaper. The original flavor sucks tho, I get the other flavors

>>133625132
>media studies degree
For the love of God, why would you willingly walk onto a land mine?

I made the mistake of college then joined the military. Feels good man. Nearly done with loans and just now starting to catch up to my tradesbrothers.

>>133625200
We will land something eventually and you better believe I will blow the fuck out of the competition of shit skins in the office when I get hired somehwere, work my way up, and hire nothing but proud white men who are red pilled.

>>133617267
>They have zero eyhics

This is how identity "politics" has brainwashed an entire generation via High School Counselor.

It is not ethics at all. It has nothing to do with ethics. Some of the most intelligent people I know are skilled construction. Why? Because we have a high tolerance for external bullshit and demand the highest wages. Its that simple. At no point in time will I leave work clean. At no point will I work in air-conditioning.....Hell, most places I work are heated/superheated. At no point in time do I let any of my state/local/federal certifications slip. I worked hard for my certifications, and it proves my worth in addition to my ethics. I don't drink and I am at work every day.

I make bank. I am pretty much "self employed" and am not even 40. I work whenever I want which is why I took today off. I had shit to do at the house (I own). Had to change the oil in one of my cars (I own them). Sure my job can be shitty, but I make sure that I get the best rate, and do the best work I can so that there is no choice but to hire me. I don't deal with Human Resources. They ask for me by name.

t: Steamfitter/Pipefitter/plumber

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CS degree fag here. Managed to land an amazing job right out of school as a software dev in the southeast making 60k a year. I only work 6 hours a day and we are super laid back.

The student loans do suck though but I dont have too much.

>>133625601
I mean I went to culinary school first because I was the same way. My friend was making $200k doing iOS development in NY and I said fuck it and started learning about it on Lynda.com. You can learn any programming language and become super valuable without a university shoving shit down your throat.

>>133616687
blue collar is the new white collar
My painter asked for 1200 € just for painting 3 rooms. Meanwhille engineers work 12 hrs/daily for less than 1000 € Eu monthly, LMAO

>>133625667
Sometime it amazes me how people can down two cans of energy drink, then three cups of coffee, and still have all of their intestines intact.

>>133625594

Bro, I work nine days a month, own a house, I'm happily married, and have no other debts. Somehow you find it incomprehensible that other people find happiness, which is a sure sign of autism. Do you have any questions to help clarify this basic concept to you?

>>133625132
>Goes to college for a garbage degree
>Knowing its a garbage degree
Why not study a useful field?

>>133617626
>60K
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
*breathes*
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Carpenter here
I mame 35 an hour repairing wooden rollercoastes

>>133625790
>You can learn any programming language and become super valuable without a university shoving shit down your throat.

But how does anyone actually hire you with no experience and not even a paper degree. Excuse my ignorance.

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the world is going to split into 1st class stem citizens and their 2nd class sex slaves

success of stem is such that stem are better at your job than you are
doesnt matter if we are talking about driving cars or farming or whatever, yes even creating art or news articles, stem algorithms are beating you out of your job

stem skills are objective, absolute, true, have predictive capabilities, they are simply the best

>>133625132
Did 3 years of 3D Animation.
It's a scam, you need to be at Pixar level, which nobody who graduated is, and you put up with feminists and diversity all day.

Getting a job in media isn't easy, plus they want Libtards

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>fell for the STEM meme
>underpaid lab technician
>some supervisors don't even have science background
>everyone treats lab techs like shit
>wanted to go to grad school and become an analyst but even analysts are cucked and abused by the scientist they work under
>walking to work one day
>see thicc qt in reflective vest using a weed whacker outside my work
>see another qt planting flowers
>another one riding a lawnmower
>another trimming some hedges
>suddenly wish I went to college for trades instead of being a STEM cuck

>>133621807
It is tho

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>>133616687
>honest day's work.

Dentist here already own house earn 80k bongistan dollars post tax working 4 days a week with no boss since I'm considered self employed and colleagues are pretty much the same. Only issue is after two years post grad the job is boring as fuck.

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>>133625682
>>133625821
Because I have a child's understanding of the world and think that I should "follow my dreams". Maybe I can be a camera operator or a lighting technician cause liberals don't know how to do that

>>133624757

then do it yourself without a license, fuck it up, get fined, and then hire a tradesman to do it

it's your money

>>133625816
I limit myself to 3 a week and I drink no coffee. I'm afraid I'll end up just like what u described

>>133625993
I learned a ton at Quicken Loans with no experience as an intern. They paid me dogshit ($12/hour) but once you get through that, you're set. There's no way to avoid this. You gotta put time in somewhere. Also learn to make a great resume that really sells yourself. I worked in Apple retail for years first. You'd be amazed at how many people see Apple on a resume and just assume you're an amazing developer lol. Try to get a technical support role somewhere first if you have absolutely no work experience. It'll definitely help. Many programmers start out in tech support first.

>>133625080

"I just watched "Humans Need Not Apply"", the post.

>>133626520
It sounds like you are just entering college. Just change your fucking degree or drop out and do a trade or something if money worries you so much.

>>133626056

nice, I like sex

>>133626496
>Highest suicide rate of any profession
Enjoy it while you can I guess

>>133626085
Yeah if you wanna do that you need to come here to CalArts and not suck

>>133616687

because I don't want to die at 56

>>133616687
>caring about degree elitism

Nigga, it doesn't matter what degree you get. What matters is if you create a career opportunity for yourself. Thinking any education is going to let you just sit around and have a career fall into your lap is bullshit.

t. MA in political science with easy contract professor job thanks to networking and talent

>>133616687
Going to uni for a CS degree. Turns out my advisor stuck me in three unnecessary classes that I tested exempt from and now I'm behind a full semester. They won't give me any credit for them or a refund, I wish I'd just gotten some tech certifications. Much more bang for your buck. Fuck manual labor though, worked stocking shelves for a year and my boss had to have his "knees drained" among other chronic issues.

ITT
>posturing
I know science is hard and it makes your head hurt. But someone has to ensure the progression of the human race.

>>133616687
i make 45k as a high school teacher w benefits and yearly raises plus freelancing making around $50/hr. i also have a book contract with a big international publisher which might make me some money in a couple years. it's a modest life and i'm not entirely satisfied but it allows me to do things i enjoy. still sometimes wish i had gone into computer science instead of humanities, though.

>>133616687
>I don't see how anyone could justify forgoing the start of real life for four years to *maybe* come out ahead ten years after graduation.- 210 posts and 36 image replies shown.
Because my parents and grandparents have money, so risk/reward wise I'm better to get a degree in STEM and then work my way up after college. Besides, I've interned at places people dream of because of family connectons.

You may not like it but its the reality of how things work. I'm blessed to be ahead of most due to good genetics.

>>133626959
This guy gets it
>networking and talent
Literally almost everything

Who you know gets you in, and what you know/talent will keep you

>>133619901
35yr old electrician, so 5 years away from being broken apparently.

It's not just the job that gets people, it's their whole lifestyle. Waking up and eating a fried breakfast, guzzling sugary drinks all day and then going home for a few pints of ale and a kebab is what is ruining people's bodies.

Eat healthy, drink 2 litres of water per day at work and keep fit. It seems this is lost on most people though.

>>133620768
White cross man speaks truth.

>>133626852
Physicians are higher now but yeah I can see the suicide aspect , then again better dead than a cripple druggie with back ache.

>>133625080
lmfao

>>133617420
I went STEM and am suck in a cubicle making engineering/business memes for people that wear suits and talk from both sides of their mouths. Be glad your working outside and moving.

>>133627289
This. They're never packing their lunch and go out to eat at fast food places and they go home and drink. Too many are addicted to tobacco and do shit that isn't safe.

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>>133616687
>mfw my dad paid for all of my college

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>>133627289
i moved from doing plant work like 360 and rollers to a 9-5 office job and that is what i found, there is so much down time in office jobs and it lets you plan to eat well and exercise long term instead of contract to contract. never going back.

>>133623728
Thanks man, all I do is drive around stalking people that my client tells me to stalk (usually lawyers in divorce cases with the husband trying to prove infidelity)

Tgfw i started as a manual labor fag at a block plant hand stacking cinderblocks on pallets and now I own the company and have expanded the living shit out of it.

>>133623761
>>Maybe your shitty state requires classroom hours.
>lol he really wrote this.
>>He doesn't know that most of the NEC is written in my state
lolol
>> My state you just need 8000 hours and pass the test
>He doesn't realize he needs twice the hours of fieldwork to get licensed
BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>133616687
it makes sense to do STEM if you live somewhere like Boston, where there are more tech job openings than people know what to do with

>>133616687

trade you can open your own business and charge whatever you want and join somewhere and get promotions pretty fast.

Starting jobs for STEM usually pay pretty shit. I have my Msc and am making 30k a year on 3-month contracts that keep getting renewed, no benefits or anything. That being said my job is easy and practically make my own hours.

>>133619714
Yet your economy bankrupts every 10 years.

>>133628556
Where do you live where you need 8 years to be a journeyman lol

>>133628856
Leave him alone please.

>>133616687
Thing people don't get is you can do both. You can get into Universities with experience, as long as you've got vocational quals as well.

>>133625889
Well, 60k pounds is like 80k$.

>>133625742
For sure, I may get lucky with an interview I have Monday with a Tech-Startup. It has nothing to do with my undergrad but it has t do with Big Data which I like. I'm gonna work my ass off if I can land it.

>>133618524

Damn, I thought firefighters/paramedics would get paid more..considering you save lives and everything.

>>133628932
>>Where do you live where you need 8 years to be a journeyman lol
>He doesn't understand greentext
You're an idiot or a newfag
I was mocking you for needing 8000 hours of labor.
I only needed 4000 hours and 144 hours of IEB.

>>133617556
Trades men are not manual laborers. You're thinking of the niggers we hire to haul the trash away. I'm a master carpenter and I spend most of my time in some air conditioning :)

PS.. I have two degrees...I'm here because the money is better and I hate office culture

>>133620146
LMAO are you Jez from The Peep Show?

Im in the Army and make 38k a year with no bills.

Canadian Trade Technician as a summer job: spent 1800 to get trained, make 2.5k a week.

Paying for Econ degree plus more school if I want with zero debt and better lifestyle than fellow students.

Downside: university liberal classmates think im evil

>>133617420
>tfw not smart enough to be a litter bug.

STEM = White Collar
Trade = Blue Collar

>>133629239
You can be on £30k straight away, if you get lucky with the site you're on. JIB sites pay a lot more than standard sites.

White collar office culture is the heart of the cucking. Its what's destroying men and all those office guys need viagra.. I'd say about half of all the housewives of the homes I work in try to cheat on their husbands with me. Can't blame them

>>133629576
I want to do Electronic Engineering, once I've got 5 years in as an electrician.

>>133619876
>and the O&G Industry can go fuck itself with the way they are acting/hiring.

You know it's not the domestic O&G industry's fault? We're still reeling from the shit OPEC pulled a year and a half ago.

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Electrical Engineer
> make 80k a year 10k debt
mfw.jpeg
>notice many people call themselves engineers get angry because full of shit.
notice trades men have major inferiority complex.
laugh it off
> but at the same time I will admit far less people need to go to college period and should take up trade school.

>>133630116
It's more the class implications than anything. Also, you can progress onto University with certain trades.

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>>133618011
Because you don't have one. Literally b8

The monster meme is legit i have one of the lemonade tea ones everyday while driving my dunp truck

>>133630311
I came from basically white trash I guess that is why its lost on me but I will admit that I relate to tradesmen far better lol...

>>133630426
There's also tier system to trades. God Tradesman are Electricians, Heating Engineers and Plumbers.

>>133630387
I have two of those Monster Ultras a day.

>>133619793
Funny enough, bog means god in all slavic languages

>>133630573
yea exactly I get along with electricians all the time. It's also a good entrance to what we do.

>>133620991

I demand sauce on the nuns

>>133618051
How do I learn to trade? Give me your best advice pls

>>133630703
That's how I'm going about it, I can also go through a form of prepschool, which allows you to go to Uni straight after. But I'd rather be making money as an electrician, and do Uni after a few years.

>>133616687
>student loan debts
Try moving to a first world country, Anon. College in here costs you about 650 dollars a semester.

Which one of these two autists in this thread is caramel?

>>133630852
Do you have a trade school in Serbia? Or an apprenticeship scheme? They're the two main ways.

STEM meme fags that pretends to have a job in an image board.

I make 70k a year as a programmer and only working 3 days of the week

R u mad?

>>133630986
It's like 9 grand a year here.

>Be Albertan
>Work service rigs at 16
>Dont fall into party lifestyle
> 24 now
>160 acres and house
>wifes car paid off
>oil revenue on land pays for taxes and land mortgage

I'll have this paid off in less than ten years. All the experience from this job will allow me to branch into many other fields of work.

>>133631174
You got really lucky, and not really. Tried Programming and hated every single second.

>>133625348
/Thread

Find something you're good at and passionate about that people will actually pay for and you'll be fine.

t. ICT Tech

>>133631332
You an Anglo Canadnian? It seems that Anglos do much better than the frogs-niggers.

>>133625820
No one wants to know that you can barely hold down a job.
Bragging about owning a shitbox made of paper is really highlighting your low self esteem.

>>133631455
Even if I could do something like that, I wouldn't. I feel really disgusted with myself when I'm doing anything constructive.

>>133618873
>india

well yeah that's true if you come from a shithole

>>133616687
Money shouldn't be something you care about. Sure you have to stay alive, but is a big house with lots of stuff in it really any better than a small house with just what you need in it? Some people will enjoy more physical jobs, some people will enjoy more intellectually stimulating jobs, it's all about preference. Just do what you want to do.

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>>133617420
420 post best post

>>133618873
Do they do a good job? I can understand if they were completely incompetent.

>>133629332
He is in the US where these types of jobs typically pay less, and he's probably also working in a semi rural area

>>133630930
>>133630930
yea I know a few it works

>>133632315
I'd advocate for most people to do that. Qualifications are good and all, but Experience bets quals every single time.

>>133632418
*beats

>>133631449

Dutch/Icelandic farm family background. Western Canadians are just harder working than most eastern Canadians I've found.

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Because they got certification in something actually in demand.

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>>133621215
welding that can be done by robots is already outsorced to robots.

Trades will never die out to the Automation meme.

Robots are great at repetive tasks, but you need humans for example small/null series production lines, where every one that gets build is a tad bit different

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>mfw about to graduate from Comp. Sci. without student loans
>in a city with lots of jobs in my industry

tradecucks get jealous

>>133632471
Dutch and Angols are extremely similar, also. Funny fact: A very large part of the Icelandic genealogy is Scottish, due to the Vikings taking Scottish women back as concubines.

>>133632563
Same with sort of thing with me, but with electrical jobs.

>>133616687
why does pepe have a drill

>>133617824
I make more as an intern than you make at a full time job.

>>133632653
Did you know the Dutch are very Norwegian as well? During the height of the Dutch trade empire, many merchants in Holland would import blonde Norwegian women as maids.

>>133632800
Same thing with the South of England. Plenty of Dutch and Flems came over, due to the large amount of trade between our two nations.

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>>133616687
>mfw I quit stem after years of part-time study to avoid having debts
>I got a $2/hr raise after working as a welder for 30 days

>>133632800
I remember looking at a graph, of how much welfare Quebec gets. Would you say that it's accurate that they're the biggest drain on the Canadian economy?

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>>133616687
>Why are tradies so much more successful than STEMfags?
i went $28,000 in the hole for a trade/associates degree. all jobs i worked/qualified for paid less than 10 an hour. just gave up on the trade(auto tech)after two years.complete waste of money and time.

>>133632653

Indeed, my maternal is the Icelandic side but is traced back to Norway. Im sure more than a few would have been from the isles. The west just has more diversity than the east. Lots of people came in the early 1800's for cheap farm land.

>>133633054
There must be something genetic, about Germanics having a better work ethic than Gaul cucks, or med-niggers.

>>133618873
Same in my country. They're not treated like dirt but manual labor is looked down upon in my society. You've got people yearning for office jobs while manual laborers and skilled tradesmen make bank when they finally move outside the country. Years later, those skilled tradesmen and laborers are the envy of the neighborhood because they made bank working outside and suffering through years of loneliness working outside the countrt while the "graduates" still worl attheir boring 8-5 job on what amounts to min wage or get high oay but work on graveyard shift call center jobs. Topkek. There's just something good about righteous karma.

>>133618724
This, as a welder i see no one drinking water ever except me.
>one coworker goes through 2 two liters of diet mt dew a day
>i watched him have a green drip of sweat roll down his face one day

>>133632800
Leaf, you're an oil fag?
Got a question to a ask, how hard is it for a non-local to get an internship with a drilling co. ?

>>133633029
Correct. They need to stop letting in so many welfare immigrants.

>>133625132
literally just dont

>>133633180

"Through Industry we shall prevail"

Id agree considering thats my familys crest.

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>>133633358
I drink two of these a day, but 2 litre mountain dew is excessive.

>>133633402
I have two friends from BC that got oil jobs in Alberta. One of them said that people were getting laid off all the time but that they kept him around because he cold do IT work.

It all depends on the price of oil, the state of our current pipeline projects, the strength of other areas of the Albertan economy, etc...

If there are jobs available, you don't need to be a local to fill them.

>>133633403
Why are people against Quebec separating? You can get rid off your welfare niggers, lefties and frogs in one swoop.

>>133633402
Right now hard, wait a year as things pick up. They're hiring local rather than out of country/province as of right now.

>>133633464
That's the kind of thing my Electrician Granddad would say.

>>133630114
>Entry Level job
>10 years exp required

I understand that it's OPECs fault (and the rise of cost cutting technology which is extending the glut).
What annoys me tho is that they are always bitching about how people my age aren't trying to get into the industry but instead of taking us in and training us to become the next leaders in the field, they wanna use a short-term quick fix of hiring older people. Sure they got the exp, but are gonna only be there a few more years.
By the time they come to me, I'm gonna have to be working in a whole different industry and most likely have job security. If they really want me, I'm gonna price gouge the fuck out of HR.

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>>133633577
Personally I think Quebec is an integral part of the Canadian cultural identity.

>>133633555
What about a job as an intern, currently studying in straya but they don't really take in non-local unless you're exceptional.

>>133633609
If you didn't have Trudeau, I'd be tempted to expatriated. Mainly because of the higher pay and quality of life.

>>133633609
Yeah, kinda seeing the prices stabilizing. Not really looking out for now, just creating options for myself.

>>133633707
London is the capital of Britain, but I wouldn't be opposed to it seperating. Only a nuke or carpet bombing campaign will sort that place out.

>>133633677
In my country it's quite the opposite, since you just need to know someone from the higher ups. Cronyism at its best.
But really, I'm trying to get a job through merits not through friends.

>>133616687
>DeWalt
>Not Makita
Most contractors use Makita. DeWalt is essentially just Black & Decker with a good marketing scheme.

Engineering major also taking courses on the side (welding) to get my city of LA license and a certificate in flux. How am I paying for my education? Working in construction as a carpenter. STEM and trades go hand in hand. Today I am reading blueprint plans, tomorrow I will be creating them. Don't let these faggots tell you school isn't worth it.

>>133634375
Wouldn't it be better to do a trade first and then progress onto Uni? At least in Britain, we get our trade training for free, in tradeschool.

>>133634320
Pleb. Milkwaukee Master Race

>>133634568
I was just saying that if he's trying to depict a contractor, Makita would probably be the tool that they use.
I personally love Bosch the most, but Milwaukee has been really good lately too. They just released that 9.0 Ah Battery which is incredible. It's not even much bigger than their 5.0.

Both of them work for me.