why do religions suck so bad and why are people still believing

>>133604140
Humans have to believe in something. Being religious does not make you dumb; just as being an atheist does not make you Stephen Hawking. Stand for something or fall for anything.
What do you believe in, Hans?

>>133604140
They don't. Religions impose social rules onto society that, contrary to rules laid down by the government, cannot be challenged because they come from a higher authority that is beyond questioning.

That they slow down positive progress too is a side effect of that. But nothing in life is 100% perfect with no downsides. And if you're looking at your country right now you'll have to ask yourself if losing that higher authority, whichever it might have been, was really such a good thing.

>>133604140
>he's still stuck in the "Conflict thesis" phase.
I bet you think Galileo discovered that the Earth revolves around the sun, you fucking brainlet

>>133604140
Now lets talk about racial differences in IQ and criminality, since we are oh-so-rational and scientific here.

>>133604140
Progress is meaningless unless it leads to the transcendence and manifestation of soul beyond the limitations of the physical form

>>133604140
Don't you know that if you don't support the religion of Merkel and Steinmeier who are literally inviting in millions upon millions of shitskins, you're a cuck?

>>133604140
Societies need rules to follow. Be it a religion, or National Socialism, or something else, they will collapse without them. Religion is no longer the only option but still viable.

>>133604470
So you wanna talk about how it is proven that blacks are statistically more criminals and have a lower IQ? that's ok

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>>133604140

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>>133604907

Science still can't solve everything

>>133604907
>religious people being violent because of their believe since ever

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>>133605039

>>133604140
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/313011.How_the_Catholic_Church_Built_Western_Civilization

You don't even need to read the whole thing. Just chapters 3, 4, and 5. Or you can read just chapter 5 since that's more on-topic with the thread, although 3 and 4 are also with some great revelations.

>>133605074
>religious people not thinking for themselves and swallowing everything they think sounds good

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>>133605007
>still
Wait ten or thousand years fucko. Were on track solving the biggest problem humans have ever faced, aging. Isnt that good enough for time being?

>>133605193
Does that answer why it didn't built western civilization in countries like Ethiopia or Armenia who were Christian for far longer than Europe?

>>133605007
>Science can't solve everything but did solve alot of things
>Religion never solved a single thing and never will
hmm wich sounds better?

>>133605318
>aging
>a problem
How?

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>>133604140

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>>133604140
>we should sacrifice babies so that old people can live longer
But I'm not ok with either of those things.

>>133604140
>1st story is simply wrong and a meme promoted by atheists
>2nd story is a straw man
really makes me think

>>133605927
>1st story is simply wrong and a meme promoted by atheists
It was also promoted by proddies to shit on the RCC. And French revolutionary "deists" to shit on the ancient regime.

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Galileo's fate was actually house arrest, he lived out the rest of his life in relative dignity able to observe the stars and take notes which are no doubt stored in the catacombs beneath Vatican City.

But to answer your question; for the same reason Christianity became the dominant faith among whites, I mean, to restrict things to my own cultural heritage and experience. In the Iron Age religion was the tool of early statists, they used the unified faith of a nation and the Roman-invented "divine right of kings" to bolster the state and rule however benefited their royal family. That's why, to this day, the British people treat the interests and values of the British royal family as their own - because that's really how it was and how it worked.

This is why leftist identitaranism is so fundamentally dissapointing, this is why I am here now. They're acting like a religion who's tithe is activism and who's sacraments are self-hatred and nihilism.

Really sad to see you Engineers die this way. What could you have invented had the muslim hordes not blown you away for good like so many Bahmiyan Buddhas at some point between 2025 and 2040? Better make sure that Reichstag building has charged fire-exitinguishers!

>People still think Christianity hated science
I bet these are the same people that think the dark ages existed.

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>>133606293
>People still think Science can't do nuffin wrong
>after more than a century of its fuckups
This bothers me a lot more.

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>>133606784

>the nuke is a fuckup

Science does what it asked and you're responsible for what you ask of it.

>>133607010
Religion does what it asked and you're responsible for what you ask of it too.

I'm not blaming Science, sure, people imperfections are to blame, not the thing itself.

I'm blaming people that think that intellect makes right.

Also, I don't think nukes are the worse thing science ever invented, it just was an easy symbol.

>>133607204
>Religion does what it asked
Ok, let's ask nigger foot licker Francis to call out a crusade against all the shitskins in this world.

Oh wait.

>>133604140
https://www.catholic.com/index.php/tract/the-galileo-controversy

memes that don't die

>>133607299
Ok, let's ask Dawkins to create a cure for cancer.

Oh wait.

>>133607449
Except that Dawkins isn't a doctor, while Francis is the only guy in the position to do what I asked but he can't because it'd go against the teachings of his beloved rabbi.

>>133607409
Any semi-educated atheists will reply: muh giordani bruno.

He was a fucking shitposter but still.

>>133604140
Religion seems fucking retarded if you disregard how common it is. I can't really excuse them for not being uber liberals, they're worthless scum for believing in that shit in the first place.

I don't know about other countries but here in Poland there's quite a lot of Jehova Witnesses and I talked to a few of them and they all claim that the world is going to end soon and if I join them and I be a good boy I might be saved from the apocalypse. They have some hot mommies though

>>133604140
the church was against galileo because he worshiped the egyptian god thoth

>>133604140
>Things that never happened.

>>133607550
>reply to a retarded statement by another retarded statement to prove how retarded the 1st statement was
>but Anon, your counterstatement is retarded!
Francis doesn't represent religion just as much Dawkins doesn't represent science.

The point of the post I replied too, and mine, were obviously that you can't blame science (or religion) for what people do with it. Maybe the words could have been chosen more carefully but you're being an autist right now.

>>133605216
Your side quite literally does the same exact thing and are considerably more guilty of it.

>>133604140
>pic of a historical lie and a strawman
Really activated my almonds.

Atheists are no different than fundies. Presumptious, arrogant, closed off, and ugly.

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>>133604140
fix'd

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>>133607204

Well I'd like to point out the nuke's only military use thus-far prevented more deaths than it caused. Operation Downfall was already planned and would have probably doubled the overall casualty figure of WW2 had it happened. The nuke did what it was actually built to do and the genie that escaped the bottle thereafter is honestly the responsibility of western security and geopolitics. Nobody expected communist theievery.

On that note have you ever asked yourself the question "Why does Israel have nukes?". I mean, obviously Palestine doesn't have them but Israel basically has them by default. Why? I think researching the answer would be an enlightening experience for you.

>>133607299

>Francis is trying to position the Catholic faith for mainstream inclusion because they want to save the maximum amount of human souls

It's almost like it's a religion or something.

>>133607449

Haha, I actually have medical expertise and it's the opinion of my fellows that a true cure for cancer would be akin to immortality. It would require such control of the cell that immortality would be just a trivial flipping of switches at that point. Our "thousand diseases, thousand doctors" approach is sadly more realistic if incredibly pendulous and bordering on inhuman. All we can do is target the structural weaknesses of various constructions of cancer, not cancer itself, not really, not beyond blasting it and also you with piss.

But seriously you're asking us to solve a potentially infinite set. Do I look like I'm made of teraflops? Shit costs money.

When I look around I see maybe 1 in 20 atheists who I believe actually thought the thing through. The rest just seems to have replaced religion with something else like ecology, climate, social justice, singularity or whatever. Same irrationality, same obsession, same blame everything on the unbelievers. Fuck that.

>>133608337
Nice meme, it's false though, human output of greenhouse gases has been consistently proven to be the main drive of climate change
That's science at work

>>133608881
>The nuke did what it was actually built to do
provide proof that the nukes were intended to force japan to accept a peace treaty

>>133608881
>Well I'd like to point out the nuke's only military use thus-far prevented more deaths than it caused.
read last phrase of this post I made >>133607204. I realize that the choice of nukes as an illustration wasn't the best opition.
But still, the fact that humans through science acquired the power to destroy our planet, I'm not sure it's such a great thing.

>>133608881
>But seriously you're asking us to solve a potentially infinite set.
I'm not, I don't care for a cure for cancer (even though I'm a heavy smoker). The point of most of my posts was that science has no moral high ground on religion.

Also, we shouldn't thrive for constant progress. Societies need time to digest progress, whether it's scientific or social.

>>133609710
>acquired the power to destroy our planet
more like kill 500-800 million people and dismantle entire governments. still significant, but we can do better with conventional means.

>>133604140

>He won't inherit eternal life

Sad

>>133605612
the older I get, the more OK I'm with this.

>>133607855
Francis is a *literal* head of one of the most popular world religions - and a hierarchic religion that owes him total obedience in religious matters it is.

Dawkins is neither a medical doctor nor a head of science or any branch of science.
>what is false analogy?

>>133604261
He believes in an independent European Union.

>>133610744
Dawkins was the chair/professor for "Public Understanding of Science" at Oxford for a while, which is about as close to a public head of science that you can get.

>atheists now trying to justify abortion and eating babies
Sad

>>133604371
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>>133608992
>human output of greenhouse gases has been consistently proven to be the main drive of climate change
No it hasn't. It's a small percentage compared to much more dominant factors. And there's still disagreement as to how much of a percentage we contribute.

Way more dominant factors are sun cycles and cloud coverage percentage.

>>133604371
>They don't. Religions impose social rules onto society that, contrary to rules laid down by the government, cannot be challenged because they come from a higher authority that is beyond questioning.

This is utter bullshit. Rules laid down in scripture are something that would get >99% of the population of this board sentenced to death. And since the more draconic rules haven't been adhered to for a long, long time by any of the religious people, they are NOT beyond questioning, and the consensus to overlook the parts of the Bible people found inconvenient did NOT come from any higher authority... so what benefit is there in them?

tl;dr - religious ethics are a product of the society that gave birth to the religion in question, and are subject to change when the society itself changes, only a bit slower.

>>133604140

Nice strawman

>>133604140
someone remake it making the first one a feminist and the dude saying he realized men and womens brains are different or being gay is a mental disorder

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>>133604140
Galileo was a devout pious Catholic

>>133604140
the catholic church disputed gallileo's findings because his methodology was wrong and he was making heretical claims

he was basically a sjw who happened to be right

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>>133609118

>A superior weapon was deployed against an unsuspecting enemy in a clear but limited show of power

Done? We had like 70 of em' shits at that point? So why not drop them all?

>>133609710

Science really is just a formal representation of acquired expertise which belongs to no one but chooses to mostly collaborate to promote itself in the hopes the end result solves more problems than it creates. Largely, it has done this. People mostly ask good things of the oracle because people are mostly good.

Also, as for a moral high-ground it doesn't need one. You're again assigning identity to a machine which you ultimately control. Require time they do but the conflict with communalism leaves little time for this. Science is the end prize, end the commies and the jewel is yours to control. As a scientist I say this because capitalism pays better but as a man I say please destroy these identitarian lesbian cyborg mao zedong ultrafaggots before I have to spend half my life analyzing their matriarchal economy vaginal discharges and I feel this image reflects my feelings on that particular detail.

>>133604371
'beyond questioning'

Church once said potatoes were the devils food because they grew underground... europe staved

>>133614596
Was this before or after he was tortured for saying the earth was not the centre of the universe?

'Having been admonished by this Holy Office [the Inquisition] entirely to abandon the false opinion that the Sun was the center of the universe and immovable, and that the Earth was not the center of the same and that it moved... I abjure with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, I curse and detest the said errors and heresies, and generally all and every error and sect contrary to the Holy Catholic Church."
Galileo Galilei, Recantation, 22 June 1633

>>133614596

> Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

The Earth is flat and if you research it and look at observations, you will conclude its flat.

Also the rampant pedophilia is pretty fucked up... goes way back throughout the history of the church

>>133605498
I don't want to stop fucking my girlfriend

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>>133615753
isn't pedophelia something that always belonged to humanity?

>>133615689

I cant wait for the second comming, then you fly to the heavens and see that the world is round

>>133610428
I've been at maximum ok with this for as long as I've been privy to stem cell research.

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>>133604140
>posting literal clickbait
Pathetic. And as for his argument, that's idiotic too.

>>133615753
>goes way back throughout the history of the church
If by way back you mean since the XIX century and only for catholics I can agree.

Why is it always german flags that are advocating for liberalism and anti-Christian values?