Why is it that Communism has been tried multiple times and failed

>Fascism has been tried literally once

british education

>>133506238
The RED STAR seeks to eliminate private ownership replaced by state ownership ruled by the same banking elite at the top. They do this by using economic warfare carefully throttling the money supply. There is not enough money, services, resources, and materials to go around.
The state has subsidized; energy, agriculture and food production, industrial mining, industrial manufacturing, industrial finance and now industrial health care.
You have no clue the world you are about to wake up in.

>>133506238
Franco didnt fail Hitler didnt fail Mussolini didnt fail survivors from that time if free from enemy persecution could soeak freely prefers those times

>>133506238
That wasn't true communism retard

>>133506238
I could touch the tip of my ring finger if I caressed her throat

>>133506238

I would cum inside of that, whatever it is.

>Pinochet didn't fail, Hitler didn't fail Mussolini didn't fail
>the only reason why Franco didn't fail earlier was because he hated commies more than the Americans

>>133506742

>didn't fail

So where are they?

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>>133506238
gib sauce.

Responding to your post: jews won and gommunism is their favourite meme.

>>133506803
(you)

>Implying that Franco never existed in Spain
>Implying that Japan's Imperial WWII era wasn't even nearly fascist in nature
>Argentina
>Italy
>Pinochet's Regime was similar

Both ideas failed.Though the commies had more chance to prove communism.

>>133506803 its never true communism is it?

a marxists perspective:
>communism is so in-credibly fantastically unrealistic that every group that has ever tried to try it, has failed to try it because its irreconcilably flawed, logically inconsistent and practically it is not possible to even try to try to implement.

this meme again

>>133506609
>about to

>>133507398
taeri_taeri

Fascism failed so hard that multiple armies had to beat it into the ground.

The good news is that if the red army didn't save the world, fascism would have caved in on itself because its domestic policies were a complete fucking mess.

>>133507539
Only if it ever works it is......

...so yeah never

>>133506238
That's a tiny neck

>>133506238
EU is fascist, not natsoc, but fascist

prove me wrong.

>>133506742

Franco was not a fascist. He was an authoritarian conservative.

>>133506742
>Franco
>Fascist

>>133506803
Exactly what is true Communism?
Communism's goal was socialism and There were loads more movements like left populism and syndicalism
And Maoism and Marxism.Which part of the left spectrum is "true communism"?

>>133507709
Facism did so well that all the other nations governments got jelly and had to stop it because everyone would want facism instead of them.

Communism on the other hand was continuously buttblasted by capitalism until its biggest nations abandoned it after realizing it's retarded.

>when Fascism has been tried literally once and didn't "fail", simply had its enforcing government lose a war?
If you consider communism to have failed because the Eastern bloc went back to being liberal democracies then it's hypocritical to consider fascism to have not failed when Spain under Franco did the exact same thing.

Fascism has also been tried more than once.

>>133506238
Actually Fascism has been tried a few times, and it worked really well.
See Gaddafis Libya, a nation of nomads, no schools, no industry, no nothing.
Also Chile did work out really well.
It's just that you likely wouldn't want to trade security for freedom forever, that's the drawback of Fascism.
But it is a great ideology for industrialising a agricultural society and creating order out of chaos.

>>133507999
>Facism did so well that all the other nations governments got jelly and had to stop it because everyone would want facism instead of them.
Only it's the fascists who DOW'd everyone else.

>>133507709
>red army saved the world
>tries to insult domestic policy in fascist states when the USSR and other numerous ML states collapsed themselves

>>133506238
Because communism can only work if humans stop being humans

>>133507709
0/10

>>133508140
>Gaddafi was fascist
He was literally a pan-African socialist.

>>133506238
Why is it that my dick is getting stiff?

>>133508331
Communism is only favoured over Fascism because it promises fucking lazy people to have a good life.
How good does it sound to a lazy degenerate that he'll be made to work, follow law and order and rebuild the society after prolonged total chaos.
Not so good I believe. That's why the violent enforcers of Communism like Antifa are basically all dirty lazy bums.

>>133506238
Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles livestock

>>133507674

But where though? Is there more?

>>133506238
Seems to me like fascism is the cuck ideology, they couldn't even beat off all these lowly other ideologies?
Fucking cucks

>>133508455
And Hitler was a National Socialist. Gaddafi was a National Socialist too, he created a society out of chaos by enforcing law and order.
That's basically what Hitler did after the Weimar Republic chaos.

>>133507379
There's a difference between getting your head cut off in a war and collapsing under the weight of your own failing policies.

>>133506238
Everybody knows that communism leads to poverty, suffering and oppression on a massive scale, but for leftists that's a feature rather than a bug. Never forget that thier only real goal is th destroy the white race and western civilization.

>>133508793
He wasn't though, he was a pan-Africanist. It's not really nationalism when you want to build a multicultural, multiethnic state across a massive continent. Dare I say, that sounds more like internationalism.

>he created a society out of chaos by enforcing law and order.
That's what every state does at some point in time. It's called rule of law and like every state on the planet except Somalia has it.

Is Charlemagne a fascist now because he brought rule of law to European post-Roman warlords?

>>133508813
Well when you start the war not really.

>>133508776
GDP UK after WW1: $18 billion
GDP Germany after WW1: $17 billion

GDP UK 1938: $25 billion
GDP Germany 1938: $56 billion

There you have it, a war would have been inevitable no matter what Germany did or didn't do. UK wouldn't allow themselves to be economically overpowered, that's why they created all kinds of alliances within Europe.
They knew that economic power equals military power and they had no hope taking on Germany on their own.

>>133506238
Faschism was going to fail. Germany was going to go bankrupt due to its enormous debt but declared war before getting fucked over like modern day greece. A part of me thinks that the only reason Hitler declared a war was because he didn't want to be remembered as some Idealistic retard who plunged Germany Into yet another economic crisis.

>>133509046
LOL, Libya is even to this day 90% Libyan-Arab, rest is Phoenicians (locals) and then a very small minority of Europeans, Asians, Africans.
He had no plans to create a multicultural society, but he wanted to rule eventually over all Arabs and Africans, similarly to how Germans do it these days in the EU.
He knew his country would get eventually powerful enough to project power.

>>133506238
>Fascism isn't that bad, lol, rawrr!! XD

Idk, I guess it's because it appeals strongly to the average peasant and thus the average power-hungry dude.

>>133506609
this

>>133509126
Oh no, countries are making alliances with one and other to protect their own mutual interests. How horrible!

Why wouldn't they just let Germany steamroll them all one by one?

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>>133506238
Old idiots indoctrinate young idiots to perpetuate the cycle. It's why history always repeats itself one way or another.

>>133506238
Every form of government fails eventually.

Fascism only ever existed in Italy. Yeah it failed.
What you are talking about is nazism, which is clearly different, but would have still failed economically eventually. Pillaging other nations was the only way for them to stay afloat.

The only political movement that hasn't been tried yet is libertarianism

>>133506238
Both fail. Communism wants worldwide control whereas fascism wants control of a country. Both use force.

>>133509359
>He had no plans to create a multicultural society
He did though, actually read a little bit about Gaddafi. He was a pan-Africanist to the bone. From the 1970s to his death he was basically the front man of the pan-Africanist movement.

>but he wanted to rule eventually over all Arabs and Africans, similarly to how Germans do it these days in the EU.
Only he didn't. The plan wasn't to unite Africa because worldleaders want to amass power for absolutely no reason like cartoon villains, the plan was to unite Africa so that all African nations could operate independently of western and Chinese meddling whilst co-operating with each other to develop.

>>133509679
>faschism wanted control of a country
>what do you mean Mussolini wanted to control southern europe, hirohito: east asia and Hitler: the whole world

>>133509436
The point is none of these countries are capable of resisting German power on their own by nature.
Their people are not capable of doing so because their social order is outdated and weak.
That is the fundamental issue Europe faces since Germans have united 150 years ago.
It's obvious why they were keen on splitting Germany between the Soviet Union and the West, and why they had us change our constitution to forbid uniting Austria with Germany.

I'm neither a fan of Hitler, nor of Fascism (I don't want to liver under such a system, I prefer liberty), but that doesn't mean that I'll parrot because of this some retarded propaganda.
There is nothing wrong with the strong leading the weak, but engaging in exterminations like the Nazis did to achieve that goal certainly is unacceptable.

>>133506238

Fascism has been tried a few places, actually. Nazi Germany is just the most conspicuous example.

It is also a good example of why Fascism fails, since strong leadership tends to not be tactically sound leadership. Exceptions exist, but Hitler was notorious for ignoring crucial advice from his military commanders and advisers.

He also failed to actually kill all of the jews, which could have been accomplished swiftly and decisively in a short time span. Instead, he wanted to use them as labor, which they were very poor at.

Italy, greece, spain, croatia, and a couple other Mediterranean states went through fascist movements at some time or another.

>>133506238

>exactly one time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements

>>133508813

So in other words, it failed.

>>133510101
>Their people are not capable of doing so because their social order is outdated and weak.
Only here's the thing. Germany has still overtaken every other European country as an economic power now that they're a liberal democracy.

Could it possibly be because Germany has a bigger population than every other country in Europe bar Russia, and unlike Russia is very well developed and educated? No, clearly what this means is the German social order of antiracist self-flagellation is the future and we all need to conform to it.

>>133509359
the population demographics of a country do not denote whether it is nationalist or not. It's policies do.

belgium is 90% belgian, but this is nearly the best example of a globalist country.

>>133506238

name of girl please

>>133506238
>>133506238
>Why is it that Communism has been tried multiple times
Communism is stateless. Where did you imagine it was ever "tried"?

>>133510249
>Hitler wasn't that great at war that means fascism fails
I'm strawmanning your argument but it needs to be said, all political ideologies fail but fascism works the best and has the least amount of downside to it.

>>133510696
benis mcphee

>>133509095
that's rich, considering the UK and France are the ones who declared war on the Germans...

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>>133507936
Communism like Capitalism are conceptual ideologies which don't make much sense in practice. This is why most countries have a mix of state owned goods and services and privately owned goods and services. Which you prefer depends mainly on your personal convictions and socioeconomic background.

>>133506238
fascism has a long history of succeeding
its the foundation of literally every successful civilization until the modern era
it eventually becomes subverted and corrupted from within and fails but the strong shared culture, shared ideals, shared goals, shared struggle, etc are the foundation of everything good in this world

>>133510873
Yes, because they attacked Poland who was our ally.

Do you think if China attacked the US that the rest of NATO would just let them have at it?

>>133510590
C'mon, Germany is 81 million, France 66, UK 65 and Germany could still overpower all of them if we suddenly went insane and made this our priority to build up a military for that purpose over the next decade.
It's not that Germans are more intelligent or more educated than the French or Brits, it's that we can follow even the most insane orders in a very strict way and cooperate better and have more trust towards each other if we really need to.
Trust, cooperation and diligence is very important for success, without it you could have the most intelligent population and it wouldn't matter.

Fascism has been tried only once?

Maybe you haven't heard of Argentina, Chile, Spain, Indonesia, Central America, . . . ??

>>133510951
Yet it fails mainly because the common goal of one person (the fascist) gets in the way of the common goal of everyone else. Same with monarchy for example. It's not because of corruption although that's also happened.

>>133511234
Austrians and Germans are not the same people.

>>133506471
>Fascism has been tried after WW2
a*glo-South Asian education

>>133511234
And that's by the way why Russians would still beat Germans. Russians can be made to run with sticks as weapons into machine gun fire.
You can't beat a fatalistic people in the long run, they are willing to burn down the whole world to defend their motherland.

>>133511234
>C'mon, Germany is 81 million, France 66, UK 65 and Germany could still overpower all of them if we suddenly went insane and made this our priority to build up a military for that purpose over the next decade.
I know, that's my entire point. When a country has achieved first-world levels of development literally the only deciding factor in how successful it's going to be is how big the population is. This is why America is the most powerful country on the planet, it's the first-world country with the largest population by an order of magnitude.

>>133510768
The communist project as envisioned by Marx and Lenin alike involved a conversion to Socialism and the gradual "withering" of the state.

Since Socialism was created and has not in a single instance become Communism, Communism as an ideology (if not the end-state political construct imagined) is a failure.

>>133506238
Who is this semen demon?

>>133506238
The first country who shipped man into space was communist.
oh the the country that beat up Fascism was also communist.

>>133511564
>Communism as an ideology (if not the end-state political construct imagined) is a failure
So everything should be privately owned? Including the armed forces of a country? If anything is common then it embraces concepts of communism.
For a country to have cohesion some government is needed.

>>133511638

>country that beat up fascism
>by getting free handouts from the rest of the free world

>>133511564
Only they also specify that socialism would have to be global, and it would have to feature XYZ characteristics that were absent in many eastern bloc states.

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>>133506238
communism failed because of niggers, every time, they ruin everything

central Asian nigger, Balt niggers, chinks, etc

>>133511638
The question at what cost. If you need to kill 70 million Russians in GULAGs to do it, sure - it's possible.
I'd prefer the way the burgers or the Indians did it.

you cant "try" communism. Communism is the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.

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>>133512150
>balt niggers

>>133506238
>when Fascism has been tried literally once and didn't "fail"
I assume you mean allowed to exist for more than a single generation of a nation, then yeaarrh, it's that sweet Franco-senpei. Every time it was allowed to do it's thing it did as well or better than free market democratic nations until the post-war period where you were either a Consumer-globalist loving capitalist or a Godless commie fuck

>>133508455
I bet you think the Ba'athists are commies too, huh?

>>133511157
Are you stupid? Poland would have negotiated with Germany if Britain and France hadn't treacherously promised to intervene on Polands behalf. Then when Germany invaded the allies just sat there and let Poland get raped.

Britain and France deliberately stabbed Poland in the back so that Germany and Russia would exhaust each other in a war.

>>133507142
Apparently korean. I wonder what she looked like before she had her face carved up.

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>>133512479
Communists no, socialists yes.

I realize Americans are idiots and do not realize there is a difference.

>>133512582
>Poland would have negotiated with Germany if Britain and France hadn't treacherously promised to intervene on Polands behalf.
Oh, no, we actually stood up for our allies. How treacherous! Instead we should have just let the Germans stomp them into rubble and extort them out of whatever they wanted afterwards even though we were allies. That would be the just and noble thing to do.

Truly, Wehrabooism is a brain disease.

>Then when Germany invaded the allies just sat there and let Poland get raped.
Except we didn't. When Germany invaded Poland we DOW'd Germany straight back.

>>133512292
>70 million Russians in GULAG
Victims of the revolution. I expect the alt-right would probably silence more liberals if they had the chance.

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>>133506238
Commies are autistic.
But anarcho-communists take the cake.
Literally the most autistic ideology you can possibly make.
Communism without government.
How the fuck do they think that is going to even work?
Hurr durr
>I work my ass off 12h a day on farm to get my family something to eat.
>Some bum walks from under the bridge to my house and takes my food.
>Just smile and give it to them.
How can they think this would work.
And what if someone forms a gang/mafia and starts going around.
1 of my friends is nice and right in many things but he got brain washed somehow before I met him and believes that this type of system would work.
Thinks that when the state is gone everyone will start sharing their stuff and if gang with different believes forms everyone just teams up and fucks them up.

>>133511621
>>133510696
https://www.instagram.com/taeri__taeri/

>>133506609
Nobody is enforcing it, technology is leading us there.

>>133510949
Well put

>>133513287
>Communism without government
Hippies and early Christians tried it. Works for small groups but not for an entire country.

>>133506803
to the chamber now

>>133510101
>engaging in exterminations like the Nazis did to achieve that goal certainly is unacceptable.

Good write up. This point here can be debated, but it's a moral issue, and that is decided by the society. Like Eugenics, it's a tough subject. If you watch man in the high castle you can see it with John Smith of the American SS. His own son would be put to death, and he struggles with that choice. I'm not any farther than season 1 episode 9 so I'm not sure how it turns out. Also the show is made by non Nazis so I can't tell you if it is an accurate representation of how it would all be dealt with.

>>133513184
Certainly not, but many would go for segregation if no acceptable solution is possible.
Alt-Righters believe to some degree, although varying in the Libertarian or Classical Liberal model.
Killing people on a grand scale to create a new kind of human just doesn't go together with this ideology.
I haven't heard Alt-Righters wanting to create something similar to the Soviet man, or the Übermensch like the Nazis wanted.
Most just want to be fucking live in peace and not have millions of foreigners being imported to their nation to fuck with them.

>>133508140
>It's just that you likely wouldn't want to trade security for freedom forever
Opt-in fascist society WHEN?

>>133510949
>Communism like Capitalism are conceptual ideologies which don't make much sense in practice.

capitalism isnt really a stand alone ideology its an adaptation and modification of mercantilism as a pragmatic Liberal economic model to accompany the actualization of Liberalism, and the federal system.
>The Wealth of Nations (1776)

Even in the wealth of nations many of the concerns we talk about today are addressed (monopolies, lobbying etc...). He doesnt go nearly as far as marx, obviously. But its not corporatism, not by a long shot. Capitalism is by design an addendum to Liberalism.

>>133513525
Nah they have thought it trough.
They have realized that 1 country would fail by doing this.
So their plan is to convert 1 country then go to the next countries and repeat until the whole fucking continent is following that ideology.

>>133506238
Because fascism nearly conquered the planet. It was the art of extreme orderliness taken to genocidal levels

>>133513720
>Capitalism is by design an addendum to Liberalism
Correct. I was simplifying to drive my point.

>>133512150
>this brainlet analysis of the world
fucking kill yourself

>>133506803
Yeah right...i wonder at what point these idiots are going to repeat the same thing over and over

>>133514109
liberalism is literally just the US declaration of independence and constitution the philosophy.....

in what reasonable way can you say they dont make sense in practice?

its an empirical fact that liberalism and liberal capitalism have outperformed every other economic model in the modern era.

>>133506609
Kek
>about to

Nigga we practically there

>>133514561
>in what reasonable way can you say they dont make sense in practice?
Liberalism does make says for a certain point in history, which is still largely ongoing. But like all ideologies eventually society is going to evolve to a point where it is no longer useful and the question we need to be asking when liberal capitalism appears to basically be on life-support is what happens next?
Will it be fascism?
Will it be socialism?
Will it be China style state-capitalist technocracy?
Will it be something completely different?
We'll only find out later into the 21st century.

When Greece was under fascism we had the best living standards possible. Huge economic growth , no debt at all , independent market etc etc. Not to mention how strong the meaning of family , tradition and morals really were . We had no niggers , no pakis,no Albanians here. Those who violated the law and stole from the government were severely punished. Many people here praise our "dictator" Papadopoulos. A true leader that cared for and only for his nation. Now we have a left government. Look at greece now. National socialism is the only solution

>>133513665
Well, the Nazis actually did something similar to that, but not openly.
There were cases where they claimed wanting to help locals in small towns by taking retarded children to care homes where they'll be looked after well.
Then after some time these people received a letter that stated that their child suddenly died of natural causes.
I don't know how large the scale of this was, but this created resistance, people obviously got very angry about that.

Regarding eugenic in general: normal sexual selection is already an eugenic system that has been in place naturally since humans came into being.
I wouldn't go any further than that, you will just create lots of hatred and people with subversive attitudes, without much of a benefit to show for it.
But this also means there should be no positive/negative race mixing propaganda by the government, which legitimately normalises things that no one in their right mind would ever consider otherwise.

I believe the Nazi regime was really just an extreme reaction of law and order to the chaos of Weimar. Law and order obviously works better than chaos which gives the those in power lots of trust by the people enabling them to do crazy things.
There's certainly some individuals with really insane ideas even today in our governments, it's just no one trust the government enough so it can actually implement it.
I'm certainly leaning much more towards law and order myself but having my children checked for genetic defects and having them gassed if they find something wouldn't fly with me.

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>>133511434
>what is the Khmer Rouge

>>133506238
ask yourself the same question about multiculturalism, and jews "not being kicked out of a country".

Fascism is just quasi communism, and countries all over the world have fascist like policies. In fact, the current western societies are marching towards fascism with their high taxes and high regulations. China became fascist with their nationalized enterprises, Brazil still has the fascist corporativist model controlling oil resources, which the government deciding the CEOs for nationalized companies.

Like I said, fascism is just semi communism, and leftists learned to love fascist policies after they lost the balls to try real communism again, because at least those policies don't completely demolish the economy, and leave it functional enough to keep people fed.

>>133511361
"the fascist"
no you dumb fuck
its everyone in those societies joining together
its not always literally hitler you braindead fuck
fucking indian tribes were fascist
think about it
fuck you

>>133507453
>Pinochet
>Franco
>fascist
Pinochet literally colluded with international Jews. Just because he was authoritarian and killed commies doesn't make him fascist. Franco was just an authoritarian not a fascist as well.

Japan was fascist
Italy too and I dont know of any other countries that were

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Interesting thought. I would have to agree. Keep it within your own fucking border though; none of this 'strong-arming' Austria shit. Otherwise, the Anglo-American alliance will be back.

>>133515782
Salty much?

>its everyone in those societies joining together
The problem is that over time goals diverge. For example, the goal is to get to Mars. The fascist commands all to reach that goal. However, after realizing this isn't possible, instead of changing goals, the fascist persists against the will of the people.
And that's exactly what happened to Hitler.

>>133511434
Ba'athist are basically Arab NatSocs

>>133514947
>Will it be fascism?
>implying fasism isnt socialist
>implying china isnt fascist

> But like all ideologies eventually society is going to evolve to a point where it is no longer useful and the question we need to be asking when liberal capitalism appears to basically be on life-support is what happens next?
capitalism is just mercantilism + jesus

mercantilist / capitalist labor theory of value is essentially the same. Meaning that europe, and its colonies by extension, have used essentially the same labor theory of value since the end of the dark ages.
The only thing that has changed is the structure of the market.

I see no reason to say that Liberalism or capitalism are on their last legs, what seems to be on its last legs is our willingness to protect our morals from outside influence. Both Liberalism and Capitalism are moral philosophies and everything wrong in the west can be attributed to the abandonment of some critical philosophical principal (we can do that exercise if you like).

I'll cede if there is a future problem with capitalism itself its likely an advance we have made in market structure that outperforms it, It probably wont be in the labor theory of value.
Blockchain is an interesting example of a new technology / idea, that could provide the tools needed for a new market structure which has some advantages over a capitalist market.

>>133515772
you bring up a great point about china being absolutely fascist
most people dont see it but its unquestionable
and its obviously working much better than the communism it replaced
they will likely unapologetically take over africa and then rule the world

>>133516253
>bomber 'cuck' harris
>le talk big man once you know you have the entirety of the United State'es military backing your ''''country''' up

Cringe.

>>133507999
If you think that WWII was caused by other countries being jealous of Nazi Germany, please read a book.

>>133518124
Even without the USA there is no way Germany would have been able to invade Britain once they lost the battle of Britain.

>>133514947
>>133517713


I'll add one other >>>/x/ teir stipulation

Strong AGI / ASI may / probably will put most humans out of work within 100 years. I dont think it eliminates labor theory of value for "the market".

But in that case humans wont really be interacting with the market at all, if we're even still alive the AI will push humans out of any participation in the market.

This is the point at which we have a lot of questions to answer about existance itself.

>>133507453
>Argentina
peron was a socialist, a pure piece of shit.

>got elected becouse he wanted to unite all the people, for the "workers"
>Give everything we had to the workers and people
>gived the jews a lot of power
>leave the country in poverty in a golden age for argentina
>becouse of PERON we had years of dictatorship
>extremist shitlords that were anarchist/commies/leftist crap started to kidnapping and killing people. This people were supported by the president PERON
>after his 4 years of fucking things up and stealing from us he runned away to spain.

hitlers problem was the german autistic efficiency mindset
good eugenics is stopping the worst 10% breed while taking care of them
bad eugenics is only letting the elites breed and mass murdering everyone unfit
dysgenics is our current model because hitler made eugenics, the most blatantly obvious way to create a more prosperous nation, appear so barbaric

>>133506742

>Hitler
>Fascist

Hitler was a socialist boi

>>133518296

Books that Jews wrote? The victors write history. You've been brain washed you stupid fucking idiot, Fuck off

Uh vietnam is growing its economy and it is a communist goverment.

>>133519079
NatSoc you dumb shit.

>>133506238
>choker
Into the oven.

>>133518296
Don't trust (((history))). Do you like belive that the holocaus happened goym?, rotflmao

>>133507379
Where's Stalin? Where's Mao? Where's Lenin? Where's Karl Marx? Where's Che Guevara? Where's Fidel Castro? Where's Trotsky?

It's appeals to lazy low lives. Lazy low lives don't pay attention in school

>>133506803
>There wouldn't have been any problems if everything was perfect
>if I was the dictator everything would have gone great because I'm a morally pure person

Yeah sure buddy, then I'll just say
>the problems with capitalism exist because it's not real capitalism

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>>133506803

hive mind fucking cunts

i can'r wait to kill you cunts

>>133519630
>Where's Stalin? Where's Mao? Where's Lenin? Where's Karl Marx? Where's Che Guevara? Where's Fidel Castro? Where's Trotsky?

Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Castro were highly successful.

Che lost.

Trotsky got the axe.

Marx got to live a long comfy life.

Most successful was Mao who unified China. No lesser level of violence would have succeeded. Stalin did nicely except for purging his generals in the 1930s, but he got what he wanted and a few more dead Communists is no loss to mankind.

>>133506238
Civilization has been tried thousands of times and failed every one. Our current iterations look to be on a path to failure as well.

>>133506803
>That wasn't true communism retard
There is no such thing as true communism

>>133519239
it runs a market based economy i.e capitalism

>>133515560
>Khmer Rouge
>Fascist
Have you never heard of the Communist Party of Kampuchea (or CPK for short) that took over the Khmer Republic in 1976 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge took power. Not only that, but the Khmer Republic was a Republic, not a Fascist state, and their main goal was to kick Communist Vietnamese out of Cambodia while also trying to save their own economy by establishing trade with the United States, who were still engaged with in the Vietnam war.

>>133521570
Mao united the nation and should have died in 1955 with the job done. Zhou Enlai/Deng Xiaoping would then have run an NEP style economy which would have today been the largest economy on earth by a CLEAR margin. China would also have 400 million less people.

Mao was a total retard after 1955.

>>133515560
redpill me on Pol Pot
was he good?

>>133521592
Literally every system will fail given sufficient time. The question is which has the longest lasting power

>>133506238
Kek. And I thought american schooling was bad. Go read a book.

Fascism, and national socialism especially, do not allow the Jew to leech off of the system, which is why they are not allowed

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>>133521938
Not even remotely. I read this book and thought it was going to be another propaganda book like Anne Frank's Diary, but the chick who wrote it is still alive to tell the tale. If anything, this book accurately describes what it's like to live in a socialist country where the government has all the power and the people are powerless

>>133521938
Yes, he was so successful at the core goal of Communism, which is to exterminate the intelligent ones, that he let everyone kill who wore glasses.
Why? Someone who wears glasses must have the intelligence and education to read.
Pol Pot - most successful Communist who has ever lived.

>>133522575
I'm not trying to shit anyone, that was actually the reason why they killed anyone wearing glasses.
I couldn't even make something like this up.

>>133522765
It's true. They also had anyone that was even remotely connected to the Khmer Republic killed off, even if it was just the son of someone that worked with the Khmer Republic.

>>133522506
this looks really interesting thanks for the recommendation

>>133506803
Obviously you twat, the fact is that every time some tries to reach "real" Communism it gets usurped by a fucking horrible totalitarian mess. True Communism exists in the human mind and nowhere else.

Communism works.If you are living in a commune.Hence the name.If you have to deal with more than 30 people,communism doesnt work.Its that simple.
All the fascist states worked for a brief period of time because they were backed by a war economy.War economy makes every political ideology succesful as long as there is land and wealth to conquer.If they run out of conquerable land and wealth,they fail just like communism.
The only two working ideology was republic and monarch,but they have different flaws that make them too eventually fall.
To proceed in human evolution,there has to be something new to made.

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>>133506238

Man she's such a qt

>>133526155
i-i want to hold her

Why are her tits so low on her chest already? Slav?

>>133506803
And it never will be true communism because true communism ranks right up there with skittles shitting unicorns.

>>133526155
>she

>>133526149
this is all true
i would argue though that there is plenty of wealth and land to conquer
africa still exists i believe

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>>133506238
Is it the governing style that's at fault or the people doing it?

You can give democracy and the rule of law to Africa, but you won't get a second Europe.

>>133529170
But you build a nation with aim at the long term.
If US wakes up tomorrow with the idea to go fascist the world would be conquered in 5 years.
5 good years and then comes the fall.Was it worth ?

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>>133506238
actually communism never failed in Cuba

>>133529682
fascist empires can last a hell of a lot longer than 5 years man
how long did rome last

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>>133506238
>has been tried literally once
Let's see:

>NS Germany
From inflation and civil unrest in early 30s to the second powerful country in the world in the early 40s. Nice.

>Fascist Italy
Was doing great under Mussolini. In fact, the only time when Sicily was mafia-free was in the 30s and 40s. Then the US came and you know what happened.

>Fascist Spain
Booming birth rates, powerful economy, nearly zero unemployment, strong currency, GDP growth through the roof. Sadly, Franco died and let the monarchy crawl back.

And those are just the 3 well-known fascist countries.

>>133506238
>that neck

when did Asians start breeding with giraffes?

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>>133506238
>he thinks fascism ended with WW2
>he thinks the EU isn't fascist

>>133530136
>1920
>be 1st world. usually compared with the US
>1950
>communism happes
>2017
>usually thrown in together with commiezuela, still using technology and buildings from half a century ago
such success

>>133530753
>comparing Fascism to Globalism
You'd be correct if you made the comparison of Globalism and Communism.

>>133530385
Did the Roman Empire run out of conquerable land and wealth?I dont think so.

>>133531074
They're trying to shut down free speech in the name of tolerance and diversity.
Fascism wasn't just nationalising everything and getting the trains to run on time. The targeted censorship of political opponents to the party in power is essential to it.

With regards to the EU, they're skirting the line between fascism and anti-freedom policies generally associated with the left.

>>133508676
In what universe does a fascism imply no central bank, and communism imply central bank, communism implies no central bank as does libertarianism. Problem with both libertarians and communists is a central bank is the end result of implementation of their philosophies. Communism as a way of distribution of wealth, libertarianism as the natural end result of capitalism, the monopoly.

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>>133530753
>he thinks international capitalism is "fascism"
If the EU was fascist they wouldn't be letting you useful idiot commie fucks LARP in the streets every weekend.

Keep it up good goy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etNRoqqHFMY

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>>133509188
>muh debt

>>133511432
>american education
Modern day Germany is a federation of smaller german states, Austria is a german state. They are the same people except Austria is not part of Germany.

>>133513287
Anarcho communists = communists.
The whole point of communism is to eliminate the state. Soviet russia was not communist it was socialist. USSR one of those S's stands for socialist.

>>133506238
>Fascism has been tried literally once
Read some history. Franco and Pinochet ran their fascist countries for quite awhile son.

its absolutely amazing that people dont realize literally every society until very recently was fascist in nature

>>133532372
You cant have civilization without a state.With so many citizens with different views and needs and wants,only a state can create order.
Anarchy,communism and alike only work with very small number of citizens.Without a state perpetual war would ensure between citizens aligning behind one or another group based on their views and needs.

>>133506238
god I want to facefuck her so much

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