Healthcare should be accessible for all considering anyone can

It costs tax money to give everybody "free" healthcare. It does not cost tax money to let people have guns if they want to purchase them.

Read about positive and negative rights.

>>133487809
go back to canada nigger

>>133487809
Give me free guns and I'll give you free healthcare. You have the right to buy both and you get what you pay for.

Guns, not healthcare are in the constitution. You know constitutions, right? It's that thing you would have if you didn't have another country's monarch on your money.

>>133487809
>gun
It's a right to bare arms.
As in you have a right to protect yourself with weaponry.
Of any kind, which is a human right.
Healthcare is someone else's work, you have no right to someone's labor.

>>133487809
>Healthcare should be accessible for all considering anyone can buy a gun and shot anyone they want

anybody should be able to grow their own medicine without government interference that distorts the market and creates monopoly

>>133487809
cool words

>>133487809
Fuck you, leaf.

As soon as another person's taxes buy me a gun I'll agree to let my taxes buy them health care.

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>>133488121
These fucking retards don't understand what a right means.

A right is a freedom for something which cannot be denied, it's not gimmes dat

>>133487809
Fuck off, Shariablue shill.
Sage this slide thread.
Hi, NSA!

>>133487809
It was Obama who denied you your right to buy healthcare, not us.

>>133487809
Hey man! You're free to BUY all the healthcare you can afford!

>>133487809
I have found the ultimate rhetorical weapon against the liberals concerning the 2cnd amendment; the one part they love to harp on is "well regulated". You can't get into a 2cnd amendment debate without this phrase coming up because liberals love regulations.

So here it is; the term "well regulated" as used in the 2cnd amendment during the 1700s was taken to mean "in proper functioning order", common phrases would be "a well regulated clock keeps time precisely" or "a well regulated knife cuts easily".

Please adopt this into your debate repertoire so that it becomes common knowledge and immunizes us from the liberals mental poison.

>>133487809
Access to healthcare = access to guns
Why is this so difficult?

SHALL

>>133487809
I'm replying to an incredibly stupid thread!

SAGE
A
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The Left posters can never fucking do memes right.
LEFT - you SUCK

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>>133487809
I rather have a gun than my useless healthcare

>>133487809
The difference is the country's taxpayers don't subsidize my gun purchases

A gun is "healthcare" if used correctly in self defense. Fucking morons.

>>133487809
Nobody gets free guns.

What a shitty false equivalence god I hate you commies so much.

>>133487809
Nothing to add, Canakek.

>>133488686
>As soon as another person's taxes buy me a gun I'll agree to let my taxes buy them health care.

This sounds reasonable and I'm all for both.

I'm also all for the US deciding that, as we aren't signatories of the Paris Declaration Respecting Maritime Law, we should have a fleet of privateers in our seas.

>>133487809
I think anyone should be allowed to purchase healthcare services and guns. I don't think the government should point guns at health care providers and tell them how to provide their services.

>>133489570
>Nobody gets free guns.
That's where you're wrong, Mujimbo.

The government doesn't hand out free guns to citizens.

>>133487809
Its only a right if you can afford it, leaf. Its not like they fucking issue us guns at birth

>>133488340
>you have no right to someone's labor.
Amendment VI

>In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

>and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

>>133487809
You dumb fuck. It says people have the right to own a gun. No one is fighting for the government to use tax payer money to purchase firearms for all citizens.
Your point was completely retarded and you should take steps to kys

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>>133489650
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid pasta nigger. No one gets free guns unless it's part of their job. And then it's not really free, it's part of their job.

>>133487968
It costs tax money to imprison all the niggers that misuse guns

>>133487809
Something so wrong with that country that it's the most dominant country in the world

MANDATE GUN OWNERSHIP AND GIVE POOR PEOPLE GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS TO MAKE SURE THEIR RIGHT TO GUN OWNERSHIP IS ENSURED

>>133487809
you have a right to buy a firearm
you have a right to buy healthcare

but you are not entitled to either

>>133489852
That's a nigger problem not a gun problem.

>>133489752
If owning a gun was mandatory and free basic guns were provided to all citizens what do you reckon would happen?

I'd wager the nigger population would be drastically reduced overnight.

>>133487809
A fucking leaf.

>>133487809
Healthcare is accessible to everyone. Hospitals can't turn people away

leafs are scum fucking trash tier


fuck I hate them

>>133489750
>someone who's job it was to voluntarily join a firm that deals with judicial civil/criminal court proceedings
>opposed to a private firm

Fine, you have no right to a private persons labor.
If you choose to take a job that does, it's on you. I guess the military could be included with that.

>>133487809
Owning a gun isn't mandatory and is also not paid for by taxes.

Unless you know of a place where I can get free taxpayer bought guns. In that case, hook a bro up, leaf.

>>133489701
>no gov't gun handouts
Give Trump a couple years. It's still early

>>133487809
You have a right to own a gun, but if you can't afford to buy one or make one yourself, then you do not have the right to force someone else to buy one for you.
You do not have the right to force someone else to pay for or perform your healthcare services, although you do have the right to research how to stay healthy and prevent disease/accidents or treat yourself.
I agree that healthcare should be a lot cheaper, because we have the government, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, pharmacists, and Med supply companies all trying to game the system. Ideally we would cut out government influence/regulations and let the free market decide which companies deserve our capital.

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>>133487809

There is something seriously wrong with a country that imports with open arms violent religious extremists who openly declare that they want to murder or breed out its citizens while at the same time denying its own citizens the legal rights and protections necessary to protect themselves and their families.

Bottom line: fuck off leaf.

>>133487809
Owning a gun IS a right. Theres a whole Amendment about it.

>>133490143
/thread

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>this retarded shilling leaf is getting shiat on left and right


good job boys

>>133487809
I live in the UK so healthcare is free because every citizen who pays taxes or is under 18 pays is entitled to free healthcare. We still charge foreign patients for non urgent care though.

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Do the national healthcare types actually think they will avoid death somehow? If you don't drop dead of a heart attack you will rot in a bed somewhere.

>>133487809
We've been over this before, leaf. Everyone has the right to use *their own money* to buy a gun in the U.S. No one has the right to use *someone else's money* to buy healthcare.

>>133488121
this except everybody getting free healthcare must also have a gun on them at all times or they get bupkis

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>>133487809
>Anyone can buy a gun and shot anyone

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>>133487809

Just realized there is only 1 post by OP. And I fucking took the bait.

The government should give everyone both free health care and free guns.

show up at any ER with a broken bone. They will treat you. Insured or not

show up at any gun store and ask for a gun without a permit or money to pay for it. they will promptly show you the door.

So which is the right and which is the privilege?

>>133487809
< 1 Post by this ID

>>133487809
There's a major flaw in that reasoning.
Owning a gun is a liberty right. Meaning it does not entail obligations on other parties. You can buy a gun, but nobody is forced to get you one for free.
"Free" healthcare is a claim right. You can't have it for free without a norm that forces another individual (doctors, nurses, etc...) to provide it to you. And forcing people to work for free is actually called slavery.

Therefore that comparison is flat-out retarded (like all liberal logic). When discussing about healthcare, since it can NEVER be free, the real questions is actually how do you want people to pay for it: either privately (insurances, or PfP) or through public taxation of their revenue.

>>133487809
>Anyone can buy
Exactly retard. If you earn money you can buy something.

>>133487809
Owning a gun is a privilege. There's no government service to ensure that people have free guns.

You have the right to be able to own a gun, but you have to pay for it with you hard earned money, not force others to use their money to buy you one..

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>>133487809
"Free healthcare" = worst service, more expensive.
>Cartelization of the healthcare.
>Less room for decision for the consumer

>>133487809
Healthcare is available to all. Now if you can afford healthcare is another matter entirely.

>>133487809
In my state I need to ask the Lord's permission every time I wantto be able to buy a gun or ammo.

>>133487809
Nothing stopping people from buying healthcare. I dont see a problem at all. People can purchase a gun and pay a doctor to protect their lives. You just want other people's money. That's the real question. Why do you want my money. schleaze

>>133487809
Thank you for this 1 post by this ID thread OP. I enjoy seeing this every time I check the catalog.

>>133490874
In fact we have an entire federal agency, as well as countless laws, tasked with restricting gun ownership.

>>133487809
>Canada is so fucking retarded they forgot they already had socialized medicine
I mean god damn Canada, why are you so fucking stupid?

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>>133487809
Well, the Constitution clearly states that owning a gun is a right. Nowhere does it say that healthcare is a right. You may disagree with it, but the only way you're changing it is through amending it so until then stop your bitching and worry about your own degenerate shithole Muhammad.

>>133487809
And who do you feel that almost every citizen has a car, that can kill people on streets?

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>>133487809
>leaf

>>133487809
Healthcare can't be a right as it forces another person (doctor) to perform a duty. They are essentially slaves if healthcare is a right.

Self defense, via a gun, against another person or tyrannical government is a right. You do not have the right, however, to kill anyone you want.

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>>133487809
>1 post by this ID

Every. Fucking. Time.

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>>133487809
>1 post by this ID
FUCKING SLIDES
EVERY TIME
SAGED

>>133487809
>you have the right to defend yourself
vs
>you have the right to eat yourself into a coma and take up a hospital room which could be used to save a healthy person who was fatally injured in a car accident but now the hospital doesn't have the facilities so they die in the ambulance ride to the next nearest hospital all on taxpayer money

>>133487809
Healthcare IS accessible to all dumbass. If you show up at a hospital bleeding to death they legally cannot turn you away. The question is, is health insurance a right.

Trash tier bait.
>People have to pay for their own guns
>People have to pay for their own healthcare

Go back to socialist Canada Leaf scum.

>>133487809
I have a right to free speech, maybe I can get the government to write my research paper for class.

>>133492255
It's not even a question at this point. We've signed the Universal Declaration of the Rights of Man which explicitly says so.

We just lag behind because we like getting fucked by the less-effective insurance industry

Yes, you have a right to defend yourself. You can go a buy a gun. The government doesn't buy you one. You don't have a right to healthcare because you don't have a right to other people's work. You have to pay for other peoples services. The problem with you fucking liberals is that you don't bother to get educated farther than a fucking Kikebook post. Read a fucking book for once.

>>133490690
You dont need a permit to buy a gun.

>>133492724
How many books on public policy have you read?

What is your preferred school of philsophy with some of your favorite reads?

>>133493001
What, you want a number? My preferred school of philosophy when it comes to government and economics is the one that actually has worked and greatly benefited it's citizens: small government Constitutional Republics that lightly regulate a free market capitalist economy.

>>133487809
>There is something seriously wrong with a country that thinks you should pay for what you recieve instead of forcing others to pay for you
>Theres something wrong with a country that lets its citizens buy guns.

Why dont we just tie everyone to a fucking chair and provide for their every need until their miserable death?

>>133487809
Sick bait

>>133493252
>not naming an actual school
>no philosophers
>no books mentioned
there's no need to pose online whej you're anonymous. If you haven't actually read anything, why act like you have

>>133493389
You think we're gonna debate Friedman or Locke in a 4chan post? Go vote for more gimmes, liberal. I got people to employ and taxes to pay so you can breed like locust and suck this country dry.

How much does Joe 6pack owning a gun cost me in taxes?

>>133487809
No, there is not.

Get a job parasite.

>>133487809
Shitty bait but I'll bite, nobody is going around giving guns away to everyone idiot, you still have to earn them.

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>>133487809
bump

>>133489321
BE

THEY ARE BOTH RIGHTS, YOU CAN BUY HEALTH CARE AND YOU CAN BUY GUNS BUT YOU ARE NOT GIVEN ETHER YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE LEFTIST REATRDS.

>>133487809
Shall not be infringed, faggot leaf.

>>133487809
Only a retard would draw such a comparison.

It's possible to amend the constitution to include healthcare as a right.
If it's such a popular idea it shouldn't be hard to get the required votes to do it.

>>133487809
The Box Below "Name" is the "Options" Box

If you type "Sage" in this box , it prevents trash from returning to the top of the board.

Ex. Sage this shit from orbit , it is the only way to be sure. . . "

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>>133487809
everyone can pay a private doctor/healthcare you faggot

>>133487809
keyword: >BUY a gun
blatant slide thread
sage and move on

>>133487809

There's something seriously wrong with a population who thinks that Positive Rights are a good thing, and not a totalitarian form of government oppression.

Any real right is by definition a negative right, removing power from the government to actually do something, such as preventing you from owning firearms, or any of the Constitutional Rights US citizens possess.

There is no "Right" to health care because what it implies is your "right" to oppress the taxpayers and health care providers to provide you with service in spite of their freedom of association rights.

Even the Public Accomodation doctrine was a huge blunder and a totalitarian trampling on the rights to free association that every citizen should enjoy.

>>133487809
Why do you care so much about our nation's laws and ideals? You have your own country to look after, no?

>>133487809
Guns arent provided by the state at reduced or no cost.

>>133487809
Slide thread, remember to sage

Also, PAY FOR MUH GUNS

OP, your problem is that you are a faggot who thinks he will live forever. Good luck with that, putito.

WAIT WAIT WAIT, HOLD UP A SECOND HERE- ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT AMERICANS HAVE FREE GUNS?

THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT GIVES THEM FREE PISTOLS AND AMMO N SHIT FOR MERELY EXISTING?

HOLY SHIT GUYS BRB SWIMMING THAT ATLANTIC BORDER SAVE ONE GUN FOR ME

>>133487809

No thanks leaf

Sage

>>133487809

You just need to do this and everything will be fine:

https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HealthCareReformLetter.pdf

>>133492741
depending where you live you may

>>133487809
You dumbass leaf, no one is entitled to another's services for free. Yes I can and should be able to own a gun. No I am not entitled to be seen for free by someone who spent eight years of their life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a doctor. We don't expect say a plumber to come fix our pipes for free, so why should we expect a doctor to provide us healthcare free of charge? Keep your commie nigger bullshit up there in Cuckistan.

Hh fucking canadians, nobody likes you. How many people die cause cars? More than 5.000 every year, should we also make cars illegal? Here in europe you just need to do a short test for a weaponlizens and then u can own a weapon. And do you know how many people in europe get murdered by a kichen knive or a car? No you don't, stupid canadian and do you know how many die cause terror attacs? No that should be a problem to solve asshole, not the rules of an other country

You

>>133487809
The right to own a gun means the government can't stop you from owning one. It doesn't mean you get a free gun. Same applies with healthcare. You have the right to buy health insurance, but it isn't free.

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>>133489852
wtf I hate guns now
thanks BASED UK, Ahmed raping your family really just adds excitement to our lives doesn't it

healthcare is a privilege because it is a service that must be paid for.
gun rights does not mean you get a gun for free. It means you are allowed to get one.

but let's not pretend these people don't know that

>>133487809
>liberals literally think republicans want the government to provide citizens with guns

>>133489852
>It costs a lot of tax money to have niggers in your country
ftfy