You nazi fucks cant stop the rise of the working class Communism

>>133459959
>Flag
Sage

>>133459959
I could take you guys much more seriously if you didn't support Hillary. And hate on Trump like he's the antichrist while he's BY FAR the best for the working class.

>rise of the working class
Can you even have a "working class" where nobody works anymore?

>>133460189
NO COMMUNIST SUPPORTED HILLARY
I repeat NO COMMIE SUPPORTED HILLARY
We all fucking hated that bitch as much as trump.
LIBERAL =/= LEFTIST.
Leftist: Seize and democratise the means of production - an economic positiono
Liberal: Muh sjw feels - capitalitalism is fine as long as a 3rd headed tranny sjw black person is in charge of the factory

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Were coming for every Nazi and none of you will be safe once the revolution begins. Its going to be open season anyone who voted drumpf and their families and none of you will be safe from your hate then.

hahahahahahaha get wrekt faggots!

>>133460619
You post the samy cringy maoist/third worldist kid who we make fun of too on leftypol yet we have thousands of photos of trump supporters pissing themselves/getting beat up etc
Too bad /pol/ never goes outside anymore :)

>>133460332
You guys are alright desu.
Fix the fucking democrats already.
2016 should have been Bernie vs Trump.
You guys keep getting cucked.

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ALL HEIL THE MASTER RACE

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>>133460944
Bernie was still a capitalist even if a reformist.
Wanting higher taxes on the 1% and more welfare/gibs isnt socialist or communist but social democratic/third positionist.
Bernie was a sellout, only some commies supported him as a transition to the left but regardless hes not a comrade and never really was.
Hillary gets the bullet tho

>>133460330

THIS

Boring faggot Kiwi cuck commie bitch now GTFO

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communism is dumb

>>133461413
Wew dude your dank maymay totally BTFO's all them communists who are denying you a cute aryan wife and full fascism!
Nice work!
>>133461396
Molymeme is retarded but
NOT
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>>133461365
No thank you

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Nazis larp so much about communism but haven't read a single fucking book on it and just use whatever reactionary propaganda they read online.
Your best just quote mises articles whereas our best are well read and well lifted.
bring it on

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I honestly feel sorry for alot of /pol/yps
I know alot of you are underage/young and have fallen for impressionable right wing propaganda because you're introverted or just struggling as a poor working class person..
Fascism/hyper-capitalism is not the answer and benefits only the rich owner class!
Read marx!

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>>133459959
Wtf is F-YA-EEDON
really hate when you dumb cunts throw random Cyrillic into English
Just makes you shitcunts look even stupider

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>>133461694
> t. salty aussiecappie classcuck
How are those liberal penalty rate cuts working out for ya champ?
Thats the sort of shit you can expect as we move to hyper-late stage capitalism: Low wages, High work weeks, Only earning a fraction of what you produce, worsening working conditions.

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>>133461864
Such master race! 4'8 manlet cant fight with other men and has to hit a woman hahahahahahaha

Communism? What is this, an ideology for ants?

>>133461025

HEIL!!!! \m/

>>133459959
...bait?
Unless OP can give his opinion on dialectical materialism in 4 pages or less.

>working class
>communism

Huh funny, the vast majority of steel workers, ironworkers, fabricators, pipe fitters, and the like I know voted for Trump and are right leaning. You lost the rust belt and blue collar working class.

Communism is not a viable (as in, even remotely appealing) ideology today. I'm not saying that to bust your balls.

There is a reason why marxists went on to develop idpol. I know communists (proper) don't like it but that appears to be the only dialectic effective enough to carry the message of struggle accross to contemporary lower classes.

>>133459959
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>>133462395

>implying neoliberalism = leftism

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>>133462380
>calling bernie's social democracy out as still capitalist.
I take it back, you check out.
Carry on, comrade.

Also confirming: Communist Party USA did not support Hillary.

>>133462395
Wrong these workers aren't right leaning by any stretch but a good portion did vote for trump out of desperation. When your real wages are falling and your spending power is decreasing you'll do anything. Trump was a rich opportunist who appealed to the working class by offering things like better healthcare, more jobs, higher wages etc Which we all know isnt and wont happen under trumpism.
>>133462536
Thanks comrade I'm not baiting, genuinely trying to educate some /pol/acks and maybe get them to actually read some books.

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>>133459959
Will communism get me a girlfriend though? Haha, sage

>>133459959

Nazis are literally the working class (nsdap) u unbelievably uneducated retarded imbecillic typical mentally massively inferior leftist mistake of a human being ...

I mean u literally cant even !!!
Unfuckingbelievable !!!

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>>133459959
National Socialism operates off the same core components of Communism, except we do not play the banker / globalist games.

You are a Jewish front for consolidating industry into the hands of a chosen few.

We are fighting to give our people the wealth of their nation, pride in their heritage and independence from the international banking systems until the end of time.

Think about it, why would the multi-billion dollar media industry love your ideas and hate all things "Nazi" ?

You are just another mechanism of control implemented by your owners to keep the common man down.

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>>133462658
lefty sperg found

>>133459959
You aren't the working class. We are. You are useful idiots for the powers that own this country, as evidenced by the fact that you are tacitly tolerated by the system.

We are the only true revolutionaries.

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>>133462536
Kirino can stay but you my friend need to follow me.

>>133459959

Nszis is socialism u absolut degenetate.

Even the word itself mean that ...

Unfuckingbelievsble the degree of moric ...

No wonder hitler wanted to erradicate communism from the genepool also.

It literally is disease...

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>>133460833
A reminder that that fat pepe cake kid is still objectively more moral and less cringeworthy than any Leftist alive.

>>133462810
fake quote

>>133462903
>you are tacitly tolerated by the system
Skipped the cold war part of the history book, huh? Did you know that in the United States, despite being struck down by the supreme court, there's still myriad anti-communist laws in the books?

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>>133462536
You commies are tearing this board up!
Hahaha

>>133462789
*Ancap autistic screeching*
Read a book.
>>133462810
The jews made up less then 10% of the original bolshevik movement firstly.
Globalism is a neoliberal international capitalist invention that seeks to reduce the significant of national economic borders and create one large global economy for the growth of industry. You're fighting to hurt minority groups and to destroy all social progress of the last two hundred years for flawed ideas of 'race' and 'nation' which are all bourgeois creations - read imagined communities if you want to read the truth about nationalism.
> Why would multi-bilion dollar media industry love your ideas
They don't fucking support us, soros doesnt send us checks in the mail and no big political parties in the west support our ideas. Capitalists use national socialism in times of ecnoomic crisis to maintain profits whereas they are genuinely afraid of communism - see Koch think tanks spurting out right-lib garbage to indoctrinate people.
Keep licking the boot of the capitalist burger.

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Youre as stupid as this dumb bitch.

>>133459959
>rise of the working class

I like how no commie was ever able to answer me who would take jobs like doctors or petroleum engineers if it was paying just as much as being a burger flipper in mcdonalds

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>>133463030
And yet here you stand, with academia and the media making excuses for you, and your ideology taught in schools. It is a known fact that Trotskyites hold positions of power in both major political parties and California is now making it legal for communists to openly hold office again--insted of tacitly.

We, on the other hand, walk alone without the protection of the State. That is because we, unlikely you, are actually revolutionaries. We, unlike you, have no big bankers funding our projects or our movements.

It's okay. When we win, you will eventually come to realize that it was better, assuming you aren't a Jew.

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Reminder to always call commies liberals because it triggers the fuck out if them

>working class
You mean college students without jobs who are roleplaying working class revolutionaries.

>>133463159
The USSR had wage credits.
Different jobs didnt get the same benefit, as a burger flipper doesnt provide as much to the society as a doctor or engineer does obviously.
This is a finer point of discussion, but alot of commies support wage credits and the such so that higher education is still persued and we don't regress to an uneducated skillforce.
Education rates will also increase as their is no incentive for profit in educating of the people so more workers will have the oppourtunity to receive upskilling.
>>133463191
Trotskyists are scum agreed with a /pol/yp on one thing ever. Why shouldnt communists be allowed to hold office in CA when literal KKK members have held and run for office like david duke. Communism is not taught in schools, I never had a communist teacher, all liberals/conservative bootlickers. Toxic liberalism is pushed in public education more then anything and we don't associate with right wing neoliberalism/liberalism. We don't have protection from the state either, yet you regularly rely on pigs to protect you from assault by ANTIFA members at rallies when you try to crash them. We are the only ideology that supports the long term abolitionment of the capitalist created state for worker run communities.
We have no bankers funding us, why the fuck would bankers support/fund a movement that wants to kill them/seize their wealth for the common man? think about it.
>>133463230
Reminder it just makes you look retarded and we laugh about it

>>133463495
Oh no! A commie fucktard is laughing at me!

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>>133463495
What's this we shit? You faggots are all just larping communism. We are literally waiting for our moment to gas you and you just think it's a joke.

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>>133459959
eat cock nigger

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>>133463191
>Trotskyites

>>133463191
>We, on the other hand, walk alone without the protection of the State. That is because we, unlikely you, are actually revolutionaries. We, unlike you, have no big bankers funding our projects or our movements.

Holy shit, how popular and rich do you think we are? You know the CPUSA is down to like 5-6k members now, right? You know the right wingers of the Ukraine just outright banned the communist party? Don't equate everything left wing with communism.

Also, I don't know what country you're from, but if you're an American, you have the protection of the state, just like me.

..if you're German, well... yeah.. I guess that kind of is a crap sandwich for you.

>>133459959
but I am working class

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>>133463734
While you're doing all that waiting, fapping to 2d japanese girls while crying about jewish created white genocide online, we're actually organising the workers, arming ourselves with critical theory, working out and training for combat. You're fat asses cant even get any friends RL and expect to 'lead a revolution'

>>133459959
t. Ruling class boot licker

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>>133463928
Who won the election again?

>>133463928
>we're actually organising the workers
sure.....

>>133463912
Yeah and whats in it for you to side with the capitalist? The trade unions fought for one hundred years for better conditions and now those are worsening as capitalism becomes the forefront of western politics. Theres no reason to side with the ruling class who want to exploit us workers for more wealth and political power comrade.
>>133464016
I don't remember us supporting any candidate in the 2016 us election, but tell me hows trump working out so far for you?

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>>133463495
>Trotskyists are scum agreed with a /pol/yp on one thing ever
They're Communists, so obviously.

>Why shouldnt communists be allowed to hold office in CA when literal KKK members have held and run for office like david duke.
Well, to start with the KKK is more moral than Communism, and also kills fewer people. One might as well ask why Masons are allowed to hold office.

>We don't have protection from the state either, yet you regularly rely on pigs to protect you from assault by ANTIFA members at rallies when you try to crash them.
This is clearly false. ANTIFA is a criminal organization and if the State had any interest in destroying it, you wouldn't exist. The police regularly stand down and allow your criminals to attack our people. Generally you lose badly.

>We are the only ideology that supports the long term abolitionment of the capitalist created state for worker run communities.
We want the abolition of the state as well, but we want to replace it with an organic state, not another failed project like Revolutionary Catalonia.

>We have no bankers funding us, why the fuck would bankers support/fund a movement that wants to kill them/seize their wealth for the common man? think about it.
I have. ANTIFA is objectively funded by bankers, and by the state in some countries. It's not debatable, it's simply factual.

We are the revolution. We are also, in accordance with the dialectic, the necessarily inevitable synthesis of Capitalism and the Communist project.

The greatest, most comical error of modern Marxist "thinkers" is that you still think you're not a retrograde movement. We represent the future, the synthesis of Left and Right wing ideas into the organic state.

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>>133464073
capitalist incentives are actually what improves conditions for us. Maybe you don't realize this but my nation invented modern capitalism and it propelled us forward into the wealthiest nation on the planet at the time.
It brought forth civil rights, technological progress, art, etc.

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>>133464016
Kek, holy fuck you're such a delusional hot faggot

>>133460944
And Sanders would have been slaughtered at the Ballots.

Fucking commie.

It should really have been Cruz Vs Sanders. Or Rubio Vs Sanders. The Republican in each case would have wiped the floor with Sanders.

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>>133464073
>Update
Fucking perfect! God bless the man, burn in hell commie faggots. Your faggy "revolution" is already over.

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>>133461528
I hold the same values my family did throughout WW2 and the Cold War. I'm not a fascist and I still believe better dead than red. You stupid fucks who unironically larp this shit will never understand the real world outside of your gated communities and mlp fanfics. More people died under communism than multiple hitlers yet you stupid cunts think its such an amazing system.

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>>133459959
ha funny

you lost a war to emus
try again later

>>133459959
Can't stop the rise? Why aren't you pinkos on your own commieChan then? Let me guess. It sucks ass. The admin is literally Hitler and just like the ideology you worship, it's dead.

>>133464073
The trade unions fought for one hundred years to line their own pockets with dues and to cooperate with the mob to break the thumbs of strikers. They aren't the good guys at all--in fact union membership is dropping for precisely that reason, they don't represent the interests of most workers anymore.

Trump's also working out fine. He's not a Fascist, regrettably, but he's certainly better than anything else we've had in decades. The normalization of white identity politics is the beginning of our return to the playing field. By your own admission this is inevitable--either you most acknowledge that we are gaining in power otherwise ANTIFA's criminal behaviors serve no purpose.

The Left Wing Criminals have already verified that we are an ascendant force, otherwise there would be no reason for the increase in their activity. The obvious result of Trump's presidency is that we are back. Back in numbers not seen in decades. This time, there is nobody to stop us--certainly not the anemic anarchist movement.

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>>133459959
>flag
>Communism never worked get over it fucking faggot

>>133463060
>Capitalists use national socialism in times of economic crisis to maintain profits whereas they are genuinely afraid of communism

National Socialism has only happened once. Communism happens ALL THE TIME.

80-85% of the Soviet Union's Leadership was Jewish.

The international banks print and control the money that "Communist" countries use.

This allows for countries to have their wealth pillaged.

When a nation trades it's natural resources for "funny money" or "fiat currency", that country looses its wealth and can not support its self.

Adolph Hitler was original funded by the international bankers, however he changed German's economy to a barter economy, so no one could run prices down on natural resources using international market supply / demand ( i.e. capitalism )

This cutting off of the banks to be able to manipulate the wealth of Germany, i.e. their natural resources, is what made Germany extremely rich extremely quickly!

Only once you cut off the international banks and allow nations to focus on building their own internal wealth will you break the strangle hold that has been used to stunt the growth of the human race while pumping up psychotically greedy narcissistic fat cats.

Communism is just another link in the imperial puzzle. Those with money always pump up a communist faction in a country when they want it to implode so they can take their wealth.

You are a puppet.

Think past your media trained pre-programed reactions to you've been told to think about National Socialism.

I know you are programed to be very emotional about it, but you can over come it.

>>133464317
but Anon, the horsies are on your side.

>>133462954
/thread

>>133461978
Because that slut punched other people and she losted ckearly threads on FB...don't play the vitim little commie kid

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Seems the lefty spergs can't keep their autism quarantined in their own board.

Shitposting is getting out of hand

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>>133464632
Current thread.

>>133464091
> Well, to start with the KKK is more moral than Communism, and also kills fewer people.
Morals by very definition are subjective and based on cultural values and norms so this point is moot. However you mentioned that Communism has killed more then the KKK, which is true but the KKK is only a vocal minority, I'd point out that Capitalism has killed FAR more people then Communism, as we still have millions of deaths due to starvation/inefficient allocation of resources yearly.
> This is clearly false. ANTIFA is a criminal organization and if the State had any interest in destroying it, you wouldn't exist. The police regularly stand down and allow your criminals to attack our people. Generally you lose badly.
The police have started regularly clashing with ANTIFA in the US, protecting magacucks from assault/violence regularly. If you want to see the real clashing of ANTIFA vs the state look at Europe's antifa which is alot less socdem/liberal larpers and actual leftists clashing vs the state.
> We want the abolition of the state as well, but we want to replace it with an organic state
You can call it an organic state, but fascists or third positionists like yourself support the massive expansion of the capitalist state and to replace what little 'rights' the workers/people have for militant authoritarianism to subjugate and oppress certain groups through spooky ideas of race, gender, nationality.
>I have. ANTIFA is objectively funded by bankers, and by the state in some countries. It's not debatable, it's simply factual.
If this is a fact I expect a source to go along wtih it, ANTIFA is not funded by the state unlike the Koch brothers constantly funding libertarian capitalist think tanks. Liberal bankers do fund liberal groups but these are not communist and do not support the seizure of their wealth like us.
> We represent the future, the synthesis of left and right.
The left and right cant be combined as they are dichotomically opposed.

I no longer want to live in this world.

>>133464835
capitalism is an extremely broad term, very few death can be DIRECTLY attributed to capitalism.
Even if you are generous, millions, hundreds of millions have died as a direct result of communist policies.

People in europe fucking HATE antifa, you cuckold. They receive government gibs and are allowed to squat in private property while violating basic fucking sanitary laws. You are parasites.

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>>133464317
> I still believe better dead than red
You don't understand, we're fine with killing enemies of the revolution.
>>133464369
I dont have any nationalist ties to the place of my birth, Australia. The emu proleteriat will rise.
>>133464372
I'm spreading the ideology of Communism to other boards as you have spread your toxicity of fascism.
>>133464507
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80-85% of the Soviet Union's Leadership was Jewish.
Wrong. Source: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/34442/how-many-bolsheviks-were-jewish
> In 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish
This is a /pol/ myth, Jews were over represented but that's because they were more educated and a higher proportion of the middle class.

>>133461978
>cant fight with other men and has to hit a woman
So, it's your position that men and women aren't equal? Interesting.

Also, communism is just another mask of Judaism. KYS.

>>133459959
>now has the option to hide his flag without a proxy
>doesn't
Australians are truly the maddest cunts

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>>133465001
Actually capitalism is a fairly broad term
It's the private ownership of the means of production with exchange for profit rather then social necessity.
The people of Europe don't hate Europe, your personal experience =/= 300 million peoples opinions of a group that wants to liberate the workers. The capitalist is the parasite of the worker by extracting his value.
>>133465032
If I had posted and slided away and never responded I'd agree but no, this is a genuine discussion.
>>133465085
Yes men and women aren't equal. Men are physically stronger and taller and thus a Man hitting a woman is laughable as claiming as a 'victory for fascism'
Read engels defence of the traditional nuclear family.

>>133465001
It's not any broader a term than communism, it's just private vs worker-control of the means of production

>>133465202
>I am right because I said so
nigger you dont know the people here at all. People hate antifa because all they do is destroy and put their stupid fucking stickers everywhere. I always see them torn up.
Youre the ones squatting in private industry and ruining it to the point it has to be fucking demolished. Yeah nothing says respect like ignoring basic sanitary laws and destroying people's posessions.

>>133465291
Communism is a form of government

>>133465291
Given this is /pol/ that is a fairly good definition of Communism and I am suprised. >>133464507
I'd of responded more to you but basically instantly debunked your second point so no point reading the rest of your garbage opinion

>>133465044
>You don't understand, we're fine with killing enemies of the revolution.
They only thing you kill is your sperm count multiple times a day. Oh, and your own people of course. Go communism! Do you have any idea of your parties past, or are you in the "it wasn't real communism" crowd?

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>>133465358
>Given this is /pol/ that is a fairly good definition of Communism and I am suprised.
That's because I'm not a /pol/yp ;^)

>>133465331
> I am right because I said so
I didn't say that I said you don't speak for all of Europeans with your opinion.
> Communism is a form of government
Wrong, Completely wrong. Communism is a classless, moneyless and STATELESS society with worker owned and run means of production. Communism is thus against the creation of government. Socialism is a form of government. But socialism =/= Communism and therefore your point is not cogent or logical.
>>133465433
Communism has no party, we only have allegiance to the working class' interests.
If you mean the USSR, I am very knowledgeable on their actions and have mixed feelings towards it as it failed to achieve full communism but did try to establish global socialism.

>>133465548
>stateless society
>literally has the soviet icon as his flag

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>>133465044
>80-85% of the Soviet Union's Leadership was Jewish.
>Wrong. Source: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/34442/how-many-bolsheviks-were-jewish

You can argue over this until you're blue in the face and it will still never matter.

Even if they were 100% Bavarian Aryan Germans, they put the hands of their currency in the international banks.

Never mind that USA and Britain saw them as a preferable ally to Nazi Germany!

Britain being the empire most notorious for stealing the wealth of other countries to fuel it's own engine, and manipulating it's colonies and other countries though its banking systems and secrete agents.

Those two countries saw the massive USSR army as an ally and the tiny German state as too dangerous to exist.

If National Socialism was a engine of these Capitalist countries, why would they want to destroy their creation and ally with their absolute enemies?

Why do you want to give your wealth to the bankers and allow the globalist to tear down your countries so they can pillage its wealth?

>>133459959
Communism has always been about half-baked intellectuals in the upper-middle class and slways will be.

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>>133459959

You forgot to hide your flag shitposter

>>133465548

ah there you guy, hide behind that flag faggot

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>>133459959
>when communism isn't even gonna help the working class.

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>>133465358
>I'd of responded more to you but basically instantly debunked your second point so no point reading the rest of your garbage opinion

>instantly debunked your second point

Instantly debunked my points with propaganda literature written by the winners of the second world war.

You are truly delusional if you think you can trust these capitalist controlled publications.

I do not claim to be 100% right or know everything, but I know better than to trust the hand that holds me down.

>>133459959
You don't know your history.
You deliberately ignore your history when it doesn't work out for your ideology.
You assume you can do better at your ideology than the failures who did pay attention to history.
You are hubris personified, galvanized by the funding put forth by parasites on this world such as George Soros.
You only see as far as you're emotionally
fragile bullshit will allow you to and as a result, and as a surprise to no one paying attention, you just keep stepping in your own shit.

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>>133459959
Stop responding to this Commie faggot. He is a chink and a fucking loser for sure. Either sage or just post pictures of Comie faggots.

>>133465598
> Only communist flag on 4pol
It's not like theirs much choice.
>>133465649
> they put the hands of their currency in the international banks
This is wrong, international banks never have nor will support socialism or communist as it AIMS TO SEIZE THEIR WEALTH AND DISTRIBUTE IT BACK TO THE WORKERS.
> Never mind that USA and Britain saw them as a preferable ally to Nazi Germany!
This is because Germany was aggressive and the the british/usa had to choose between them. The USA was also neutral until the nazis declared war on them after pearl Harbour. The UK siding with Russia is more due to imperialist alliances and the fact they fought with the russians vs germany in WW1.
> Britain being the empire most notorious for stealing the wealth of other countries to fuel it's own engine, and manipulating it's colonies and other countries though its banking systems and secrete agents.
Yes that's what Imperialism and Capitalism is and I agree with this analysis, however these bankers and british dont support socialism as it reduces their wealth and power over the workers.
>
If National Socialism was a engine of these Capitalist countries, why would they want to destroy their creation and ally with their absolute enemies?
National socialism isnt the primary tool of capitalists, they prefer Neo-liberalism or 'International liberal capitalism.' Capitalists turn to fascisms in times of desperation such as after the great depression as their was great and justified fear of socialist uprising such as germany in 1918, so the capitalists ally with fascists to protect their property and wealth.
>
Why do you want to give your wealth to the bankers
We want to kill the bankers, the difference being we don't care if those bankers were Jewish or White or black like /pol/ does.

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>>133465721
I didnt expect 4pol to have a commie flag so I turned it on, I'm Australian sure but not a shitposter.
>>133465790
tfw still under capitalist oppression
>>133465806
> Your source is ((jewish trickery)) hurr durr all sources are written by the joos
Mate you have no basis for your arguments and seek to debunk my sources as 'jewish trickery' Get a grip.
>>133465925
I'm 'white'

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>>133465358

>>133461873
I think the low wages, high work weeks and earning anything but a fraction of what your labour is worth could be the the tipping point for society and from there things are gonna get pretty extreme politically

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>>133465548
Humans are attracted to leadership and hierarchy, whether you like it or not. Communities will form leadership positions, a police force, etc. If we want to advance as a civilization and produce new technology, we have to embrace some kind of capitalism. There is no way around it. You can have your communism in a little town filled with 30 people, but a country with 320m+ would never be able to live as a single collective unit. We aren't wired like that. We are tribal, territorial, greedy, and violent. Your idea of human nature just is not true.

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>>133465202

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>>133465202
>Yes men and women aren't equal. Men are physically stronger and taller and thus a Man hitting a woman is laughable as claiming as a 'victory for fascism'

It was self-defense and the dude is not a fascist and never touted his action as some sort of "victory" for anything. In any case, it sounds like you've found the justification for the so-called "pay gap". I'm glad we could put that one to rest.

Also, communism in theory has its appeal, but the reality is that it is just an expression of the Talmudic goal - that Gentiles were meant to serve the Jews. So, no thanks and KYS.

>Israelis: Do you believe that gentiles (goys) will be slaves for the Jews?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ji_Y7YEbKY

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>>133459959
Why not a synthesis of communism and fascism? Why are we fighting each other like pawns for the (((elites))) when we could be fighting a common enemy?

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The glorious aryan master race!
>>133466268
> Appeal to human nature
Thats a fallacy.

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>>133466268
This human nature shit is bunk. The earliest human civilizations were communal in nature and had no problem sharing resources with each other.

>>133465044
>we're morally superior to facists!
>also we want to murder everyone who disagrees with us.

>>133463847
>4 is literally the symbol for trotskyism
Nigger what are you doing?

>>133466328
>Stalin in heaven
That kike lover killed more than Hitler could ever dream of.

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>>133459959
>communism
>freedom

>>133466152
Is that a phone number on his arm or did he save us the trouble and tattoo himself for the camps?

>>133466126
Communism will never help the working class, it's quite literally the end of the Disney princess film where everything is happy in the end, everyone gets equal pay and we are all happy yay im also gay btw.

NEWSFLASH/REALITY ALERT:
You have to work to get somewhere in the world, and you should have all the right to keep what you earn from hard work. Having communism would take away every hardworking citizen's accomplishments, and success, and give it to lazy fucking scumbags who are like, "i'm poor and i hate rich people" Get the fuck up and be someone

>>133466309
Thats a weak argument and logically poor.
If someone is good in theory it would be good in practice and if someone is bad in theory it will be bad in practice.
For example capitalism works, it's just exploitive and is the anti-thesis to freedom of the working class.
>>133466321
Because nazbols are often just closet red fascists that are trying to infilitrate the left, but I enjoy nazbol memes regardless
>>133466355
We're against Israel, The EU, Islam especially
We more or less support Antifa, Black lives matter, LGBT rights and opinion is extremely mixed on the USSR
So your meme is shit and not even accurate
>>133466466
>we're morally superior to facists!
>also we want to murder everyone who disagrees with us.
Morals are a spook and not real.
Yes we'll kill you though if you oppose the working class interests

>>133459959
>tfw the working class voted for Trump

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>>133466328
Sure you have all the alpha males
>im so happy that the alt right is getting bigger
>Whit Nationalists getting weapons
>better run commie

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>>133466328
We have this conversation every fucking day man. Every time I come on pol and stay for more than half an hour some punk ass 18 year commie comes in here with the same fucking arguments.Do you really think we would still be here if we thought your ideas where good or worked? Do you think we haven't read the literature and are mindless 18 years old's who only look into one side?

>>133466579
you dumb nigger most of us ARE working class.

Why do you think "capitalist" is somehow a distinct and seperate entity from a regular working person in your society.

>>133466623
They can only repeat what other commies are posting ....

>>133459959
please read The Gulag Archipelago

every US commie should read this beceause you never had anything like communism im your country.

>>133460833
Why can't you see that the bourgeoisie is subservient to globalist financiers and not the other way around.

>>133459959

>communism works!
>yeah everyone is equal in Russia
>well they've interpreted it wr-
>and China. The working classes sure have it easy there
>well they m-
>and North Korea. I'm guessing they call it Best Korea for a reason
>STOP BEING RACIST

stupid, lazy and poor people think communism is just capitalism with extra gibs.

>>133466579
What's wrong with red fascism?
What's wrong with guild socialism/worker oriented corporatism?

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>>133466742
Yeah but they come in here and then call us dumb for not really putting up good arguments. Its because we are tired of it we used to own them, now I just think most people don't care.

>>133466614
> Alt right getting bigger
Well this is hard to measure, but support for far right parties in Europe has halved since Le Pen's eternally BTFO'ing by a liberal banker.
> White nationalist getting weapons
Sure we're armed to the teeth as well, difference is we're not afraid to die for what we believe in
> Better run commie
Nah
>>133466623
No most /pol/yps have read 0 literature, I know because I used to be a polack and the level of conversation is appaling and you have no theory. At least some capitalists are actually well read and believe supply side/keynesian bs
>>133466688
Because capitalists are a seperate economic class as they own the means of production and therefore hold all the economic power in this broken capitalist system.
The worker has no power currently and is subjected to any wim of the capitalist. In our society the worker will have all the power and the bourgeois will have a chance to return to the working class or be killed.

>>133459959

are you the australian blacked poster ?

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>>133466126
>Mate you have no basis for your arguments and seek to debunk my sources as 'jewish trickery' Get a grip.

Didn't say (( jewish trickery )) once, you're just spitting out emotional insults at this point.

You either know you have no point or you are full blown delusional.

While many agents of the Capitalist AND Communist power structure are Jewish the "muh Jewish conspiracy" is not necessary to see that Communism and Capitalism are preferred by those who rule the world to National Socialism.


Why are you in such denial? Is "communism" this core to your personal identity to the point you cant look at it critically for even a moment?

The Capitalist you hate print the books you quote.

>>133466688
To be fair, the actual definition of the term "capitalist" is someone who owns actual capital. Most working class people don't qualify.

>>133466863
>you cant both work and be a capitalist
well that explains a lot

>>133466420
And people in early civilizations raided other civilizations for their shit because they naturally wanted more and wanted to expand. They raped, pillaged, and stole from each other all the fucking time. Also, that comparison is weak. Civilization back then was vastly different than it is now. New technology, knowledge, transportation, communication, weaponry, etc. These things DO matter.

>>133459959
>not opting for co-existance
u nigg

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>>133459959
u failed miserably in the past leaving only scoarched earth and plundered societies behind... and you will fail again

>/thread

>>133466328
Why is it that communists instantly shut down when human nature is brought up? You don't have a single argument against it.

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>>133466829
Im not an American.
>>133466833
The bourgeios is the globalist financiers. They control and own the banks.
>>133466838
Your entire argument falls apart when I prove the USSR wasn't ever communist. The state did not dissolve as under ML theory and therefore it was socialist at best, towards the end/peak of cold war it was simply state capitalist, with the state owning the means of production rather then the proleteriat working
class.
Regardless a majority of russians miss the old USSR and welcome a return to it :^)
>>133466859
You've never given good arguments and should read some theory before trying to maintain such extremist views, at least commies have read theory to understand their positions
>>133466966
You can support capitalism, but your not a capitalist by working, you're a worker.
>>133467048
wew lad great argument, commies btfo am i right xd

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>>133466863
Do you know how many people visit pol? Your a fucking moron if you think most real polaks are not well read on politics. Go back to the Kekistani shit pages on face book, and troll them. People don't want to argue with this shit anymore you race traitor faggot.

>>133466579
I'll spell it out for you then. I'd give communism a go in a homogeneous, white ethno-state, but I'm not falling for any kike tricks to deprive the goyim of their private property so that Jews can amass more wealth and power. Communism, as they say, has never been tried because the real goal of communism has never been the application of communist theory, but rather a more modern form of slavery. Communism has always been spearheaded by wealthy intellectuals who never gave a shit about the workers and have hardly ever done a days work themselves. We are the working class here, not the owners, and we are tired of getting fleeced by rich kikes, in the name of helping the poor. KYS.

>>133467101
You still haven't answered my question, what's wrong with guild socialism with corporatist characteristics?

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>>133459959
>>133460619

>>Working Class

Implying your leech ass is working, and not posting this shit whilst your parents pay for eveything.

You fags keep on boasting about the glorious communist regime while playing on your iPod sitting comfortably in your 5 bedroom house and you're talking about knowing the struggle of the working folk?

Chances are if a communist uprising really happens you'll be up against the wall and I'll be pulling the trigger, I hate you hipster faggots with all my heart especially those from the US or any UK colony, you slimes will never know how it is to grow up in a post-commie country , you will never know how you the corruption is so spread that people are literally paying doctors to take a look at them when they're visiting the ER, You'll never know the feeling of being in City 17 whilst everyone else is in 2017.

Sometimes I wish I could be next to you when you type this bullshit so that I could shove that communist manifesto up your ass.

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>>133467101
How the fuck do you know what I have read? Why because I think your ideas are shit? Give me a fucking break.

>>133466580
They'll vote for anyone if you promise them jobs and prosperity. I can run next campaign on promises to everyone for a 100k/yr job turning a wheel all day and Making America Greaterer and the masses will lap that shit up.

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>>133459959
>australian
lol

>>133467101
so workers can be capitalists, yet youre saying you represent all workers. Just earlier you said they were a separate economic class.
Then what the fuck are small business owners or workers who invest part of their income?

>>133466934
>The Capitalist you hate print the books you quote.
Shit, I guess we should have never overthrown feudalism since it created the pitchforks the peasants used to storm the Bastille.

>>133459959
>working class votes Republican for the first time in decades
>hurr I'm an Aussie faggot and they're all just about to join my gommie revolution

>>133467099
It's a philosophical fallacy, meaning that all scholars have agreed it is > NOT AN ARGUMENT
You cant prove Human Nature anthropologically (science of human behaviour) and thus Humans have no proper or programmed way to behave.
>>133467123
> Kekistani
Those guys are just facebook /pol/yps but are way more autistic, no point trying to talk to.
> Not well read on politics
Correct, most have read only basic theory or have watched youtube videos for their basis for being a nazi/far righter in the age of information is quite sad.
> Race traitor
I'm '''white'' although race is not real and is merely a spook, My gf is white, how am I a racetraitor?

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>>133459959
But antifa / communists aren't working class though.

They're just fat college kids who seem to honestly believe that if communism was implemented, they would be card carrying party members and not miserable peons conscripted to factory jobs so that they can share a coupon amongst their 4 family members and if they complain about this they end up getting worked to the bone in a gulag before getting shot in the back of the head and dumped into a mass grave.

I actually really want communism now. Because it would kill so many communists.

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>>133467101
You're a weak minded reactionary brain washed by main stream memes.

You swallow stale war propaganda from WW2 like it's mother's milk.

Why should any one listen to you?

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>>133467189
He is currently googling the term because he has never heard of them.

>>133467264
>race doesnt exist
and you call the right anti-scientific
>>133467239
pitchforks well pre-date feudalism though

>>133467101
I would follow my leader by Argentina is hard to migrate to

>>133467101
USSR wasn't full communism because it is impossible to reach your idea of communism. People will form communities and then they will form hierarchy. These communities will then challenge other communities for their resources. Then states will be made, police forces will be established, and war begins until certain states are more well off than others. Your idea has a crack in it that will never be fixed.

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>>133467273
God damn, I want to suck those fat, Jew tits.

>>133466623
>>133466859

No one here can properly debate. We just come here to troll each other and spam memes. You all damn well know this.

>>133467123
>le race traitor meme
I'll stick my dick in any tight asian pussy I goddamn want. stay out of my individual rights

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>>133467264
>Race isn't real....but I am well read

>>133467349
>inb4 he says corporatism is anything corporations do.

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>>133467264
Oh and also
> You can't prove human nature
Is the most hilarious meme of all time.
History is essentially the study of human nature in it's entirety if you think about it. History has proven that there will always be sociopathic cunts who rise to the top of whatever power structure is in place. Any argument which attempts to downplay basic facets of human nature and basic self preservation instincts (such as rising above your fellow man,) completely ignores reality and deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.

No matter what rebuttal you attempt to level at my point here will only be met with more mockery and ridicule because of how invalid it will be - because reality will always be a thing.

Why don't you fags just become
NazBol so we can have a workers masterrace instead?

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>>133467448
I like you guys even if I dont agree with you

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>>133467101
Communists murdered half of my family for being against collectivism and not giving fields they posessed for 7 generations to state.
Other half of my family was robbed of a house that my grand-grand dad bought from state for big sum of money and was paying off for 25 years just because "it is too big for only one family"

Communism plundered all remaining riches of my nation and when there was nothing more to take it collapsed.

NEVER AGAIN! We will hunt you rats down and bring you to justice. WE WILL FIGHT AND DEFEND YOUR FAMILIES AGAINST YOUR EVIL!

>>133467264
>I'm '''white'' although race is not real and is merely a spook, My gf is white, how am I a racetraitor?

You want to give away the wealth of your country to central banks and a political elite.

You are scum.

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>>133467101
>>>133466838
>Your entire argument falls apart when I prove the USSR wasn't ever communist. The state did not dissolve as under ML theory and therefore it was socialist at best, towards the end/peak of cold war it was simply state capitalist, with the state owning the means of production rather then the proleteriat working


You'll prove shit , that's the same ol' rhetoric that you maggots keep on spewing around thinking normal people will actually believe you.

The translation of what you just said is "My parents will soon figure out i'm a leech and i'll need to work but since i'm such a weak minded individual and my IQ equals that of a normal worm that I need a political system that glorifies my stupidity otherwise I will not succeed"

>>133467386
>pitchforks well pre-date feudalism though
Okay, so what? Books predate capitalism, but a book made by a corporation is still a commodity created by capitalism.

>>133467189
Sorry dude I'm responding to like 20 people at once,
I'm not overly sectarian, I'm not that against guild socialism but my main criticism would be that it maintains the existance of a state and thus does not achieve full libertarian. I truly believe in abolitionment of the state as it always rears it's ugly head and betrays the revolution
>>133467210
Because you cite no valid sources and argue with common philosophical fallacies, I rarely see actual philosophers/authors/theorists quoted by /pol/acks and mostly just screeching.
>>133467224
No workers cannot be capitalists as capitalists are the owning class. Small business owners/self employed businessowners/small time investors etc are referred to as petit-bourgeois and while still a part of the bourgeois class aren't considered as exploitative but a product of their enviroment and thus less hated, they will rejoin the working class post revolution.
>>133467273
> You're a weak minded reactionary
You know how ironic it is for a pol user to use reactionary when it literally means to halt social progression and is a staple of being a far right winger.
>>133467256
> Working class is desperate as their unions and rights get axed and wages fall realtive to inflation
> Votes for the one main candidate promising actual shit like jobs/growth/higher wages
Wow colour me suprised.
>>133467386
I dont call the right anti-semetic much except for genuine jew bashing. Alot of hate for jews is simply misdirected hate for capitalism, as jews do disproportionately make up the 1% under late capitalism.

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>>133459959
>i hate rich people the ideology
Okay

>>133467674
im just saying the comparison doesnt really work

>>133467025
>And people in early civilizations raided other civilizations for their shit because they naturally wanted more and wanted to expand. They raped, pillaged, and stole from each other all the fucking time.

I doubt that. Warfare was much less common in hunter-gatherer societies that it has been in recent history.

Are you implying natsoc's believe in capitalism? How retarded are you, anon?

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>>133467695
>says others don't use sources and screech
>as he spends 30+ posts screeching like a retard
So THIS is the power of leftypol

You don't get it.

Communism is demonic possession.

What do you think Marx referred to it as the "spectre [that] is haunting Europe" ?

>>133467695
No it is because I am sick of this stupid bullshit you fucking moron. Here have a sage on me.

I'm pretty sure the Nazi's are the working cclass

>>133467418
No the USSR wasn't communist because it didnt meet the definiton of Communism that is agreed upon by academics. You're using another human nature fallacy by proposing that humans naturally form hierachies. >>133467457
Race isn't real because the distinctions between different races are tiny and miniscule such as slight differences in bone weight/facial structure/muscle mass/length of torso vs legs etc. So race is real but the actual meaning of it is irrelevent and the differences are miniscule

>>133467724
Sure it does. Pointing out that capitalism produced the books that communists read is about as relevant as saying that feudalism produced the pitchforks used in the French Revolution. Which is to say, not very relevant at all.

Why do communists never focus on the privately owned (((Federal Reserve/central banks))), or the billionaire kikes floating around on their private yachts and flying around on their private jets? It seems like that could be a good starting point for leveling the playing field. Of course, they'd rather tell the middle-class, that is currently living paycheck-to-paycheck, how to live their lives and deprive them of private property.

COMMUNISM IS JUDAISM

>>133467559
Not even worth trying. Commies reject all observations and studies of human behavior. They refuse to believe that humans have demonstrated similar behavioral patterns throughout history.

>>133467821
>expecting communists to not be retarded
Big mistake, the deflection, moving of goalposts, and flat non arguments from this idiot further prove the stupidity of anyone that subscribes to that shit.

>>133459959
Define communism, its drawbacks and the reasons why it's a better system overall for the world than any other system.

>>133459959
Being a system that involves people not working, it is common sense that it should be tried only after capitalism brings us to such a level of development that companies are fully robotized and have a sufficient capacity to provide for the whole populace.
It is the reason the more developed a country is the more socialist measures it adopts, at this pace the transition to communism is the most rational thing. A stagnating system perfectly reflecting human nature.
That is how we view the pinnacle of human civilization - to be able to sit on your fucking couch all day and slowly rot away while robots feed you. Which makes it clear that colonizing space will never happen, we'll just opt for being a shit civilization, whose members don't reproduce because the robots wouldn't support a population growth.

>>133467101
How can the state "dissolve" without law and order crumbling? This is where communists really start to lose me. Society has always functioned around enforced hierarchy and meritocracy.

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>>133467695
>You know how ironic it is for a pol user to use reactionary when it literally means to halt social progression and is a staple of being a far right winger.

You know how ironic it is for someone who subscribes to Academia's favorite political ideology to come to the front lines of the most hated political movement and try to tell them how they are part of the establishment?

You are a massive joke.

*sips tea*

>>133467695
so a capitalist is anyone who bothers trying to build anything, gotcha.

>>133467641
No I want to kill those central bankers and the political elite or force them to rejoin the working class. You want to greatly expand their power by reinforcing the relationship between capial and the states power.
>>133467669
I actually hold down a job and am unionised so I dont know why you're using this > unemployed college meme. You're using /pol/ based anecdotes, when polling of Russian people shows A MAJORITY of 60-70% welcomes the return of the USSR.
http://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-fond-lenin-and-regret-soviet-collapse-449624
https://www.rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/

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>>133467779
pretty much. they're the kings of text walls.

>>133468048
Archive clickbaiters

>http://newsweek com/majority-russians-fond-lenin-and-regret-soviet-collapse-449624
https://archive.is/zsOPC

>>133467695
What's wrong with the state if it's a state entirely and organically comprised of workers?
And how do you abolish the state exactly? Even if global stateless communism there's nothing to stop a commune from voting on establishing some sort of currency, bringing back capitalism, and using their militia to take over other communes. The only way to prevent that from happening is to establish some sort of state.

>>133459959
Working class communism is an oxymoron.
The only people who support communism are the ones that imagine they'll get to be the corrupt administration.

>>133459959
>nazis
>defending capitilism

now hol up now

>>133467770
This is not just about large scale warfare. There is recorded history of a number of tribes killing members of other tribes in an effort to expand and control territory. Leftists love to talk about Native Americans, but refuse to talk about how territorial they were and vicious when it came to tribe superiority.

>>133467818
He referred to capitalism that is haunting Europe you fool.
>>133467962
> Society has always functioned around enforced hierachy
This is not true, modern society is a carefully crafted creation of the Bourgeois over hundreds of years post-feudalism. Society will function as small based communities decide on how to run their communities rather then large capitalists states/corporations/lords doing so. Direct democratic decision making with elected union officials to represent their small communities interests at larger union meetings is also another idea, that's syndicalism .
>>133468085
I'm mostly here to debate with pro-capitalists or right wing /pol/acks but I'll give you a full and details response without getting too sectarian hold on.

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>>133459959

>communism
>freedom
Tell me about the gulags and the killing quotas please.

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>>133468355
Alright. By the way, I'm not really a nazbol, I'm actually a Strasserite.

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>>133468048
>No I want to kill those central bankers and the political elite or force them to rejoin the working class. You want to greatly expand their power by reinforcing the relationship between capital and the states power.

You are delusional and don't understand anything about National Socialism.

Central Banking is a corner stone of Communism.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2219456-is-central-banking-a-capitalist-or-communist-concept-2/

You are a deluded agent of the establishment / ruling class. Who has convinced yourself of your own superiority.

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How can people who have been brainwashed into thinking the party will do everything for them function normally in a party-less society?

That's why most of them want the party to come back, It's the same here in Romania a lot of individuals cry over Ceausescu, You wanna know why?

Because people who have been trained since birth that the Party is everything, the party will think for them the party will build for them, the party will provide for them and all they need to do is go to work like the mindless robots that they are.

So you're telling me you'd want a place where people are just drones walking around aimlessly just so you can feel comfortable?

>>133466119
Ahhh, I have seen this meme on twitter

>>133468355
its funny how similar your treatment of "Bourgeois" is to /pol/'s idea of jews. As in a scapegoat. Except to be a jew you have to adhere to a very specific ideology, while youre describing Bourgeois as anyone actually trying to fucking build something.

>>133459959
I'm willing to bet $100000 that you don't what "nazi", "working class", "communism", "hitherto", "class", "structures", "capitalism", "socialist", "proleteriat", "gravedigger" and "the" mean.

>>133467838
>You're using another human nature fallacy by proposing that humans naturally form hierachies
They DO you fucking lunatic. This has been demonstrated all throughout history. Communities "without" hierarchy were destroyed or taken over by more violent communities with leadership. How can you actively ignore history of civilizations?

>>133468354
Very few conflicts in hunter-gather societies were over resources or land. Most were interpersonal disputes.

https://phys.org/news/2013-07-warfare-uncommon-hunter-gatherers.html

>>133465358
>debunked
like the idea that surplus can be stolen

>>133468085
I said I'm not completely against the State but the main criticisms I hold against it are the following.
The State when in existence regardless of the mode of production can through sociological power relations start to manifest into hierachies and thus revert the economic system back to capitalism to maintain power. As Richard Wolff - Economics professor who's a leftist said of the USSR, the country collapsed in part due to moving away from communism but also due to the fact that many previous workers who were now apart of the state saw themselves differently and above the regular workers and the state began to dis-integrate into state capitalism and thus red imperialism such as in Afghanistan.
Now onto your second point, once the workers are liberated in their communities there would be no incentive or reason to create a currency, regardless assuming they did which there is no reason for it would not matter as the other workers in other communities would not use their currency or exchange in their capitalism and it would hence collapse/fail. The workers would be in direct democratic relationships to elect 'leaders' in their unions and would be banded together to fight against the return of capitalism/fascism/un-needed hierachies and hence their is no reason for a state to return.
Btw comrade, do you browse leftypol? Assuming you're not a polack false flagging you're welcome to come

>>133468555
basically this
the guy is a complete moron / useful idiot

>>133467695
>as jews do disproportionately make up the 1% under late capitalism
Jews make up the 1% under communism, just the same. Capitalism and Communism, two sides of the same shekel - twin roller-mills designed to squeeze the life out of the goyim.

>>133468048
>No I want to kill those central bankers and the political elite or force them to rejoin the working class.
Why not let capitalists make all the robots and when you make the revolution you'll have skipped the shitty 'socialist' phase (that really isn't socialist, workers in capitalist countries have better conditions than those 'in transition' to communism) directly to communism?

All I see behind communist rhethoric is jealousy that someone has more money than the you but you are too lazy to make money. So you make up some bullshit about how you're oppressed to justify your jealousy, then you act according to it, by threatening to take away their money and make them work in gulags 'to make them see how it is to be oppressed'. Not a single beneficial thing for mankind will be accomplished by ot.

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>>133468675

Even commie LARPers are eligible for a free helicopter ride.

>>133459959
You do realize that Nazism is literally socialism right?

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>>133468675
>once the workers are liberated in their communities there would be no incentive or reason to create a currency, regardless assuming they did which there is no reason for it would not matter as the other workers in other communities would not use their currency or exchange

This is not allowed by any communist government.

What you are describing is anarcho-capitalism or distributes.

Under communism everything is property of the state, and you have no right to barter / trade with what the state owns.

https://www.heddels.com/2014/09/soviet-denim-smuggling-history-jeans-behind-iron-curtain/

http://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/fartsovshchik/

you are a complete chump / mouth peace

>>133468656
Sure give me a critique of surplus value theory then.
>>133468555
Nazi: National socialist/fascist who believe in a utopian idea of either civic nationalism or ethnonationalism. Third positionists in the left/right dichotomy
Working class: Member of the proleteriat who has a job and is paid a wage for said job and owns little to no private property.
Communism: Already defined, but a classless, moneyless and stateless society with ownership and running of the means of production by the worker and not a boss or capitalist.
Hitherto: Fancy word that basically means up until now
Structures: A system of organising something, in reference to this it refers to social structures i.e how society is organised and economic ones, i.e how the economy is organised.
Capitalist: A person who owns private property and engages in production or exchange of goods/services for profit.
Socialist: Someone who believes in the public collectivisation of the means of production.
Proleteriat: See working class definition
Gravedigger: Someone who digs a grave to bury a body, in this case to bury the capitalist.
The: A conjunction in the english language used to connect an inital premise or point with a clause/subclause
Hope you learn english soon :)

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>>133468860
>he fell for the meme

>>133459959
nazis actually were socialists you tard...
they just realized that the average joe was easier to coerce by giving him a someone he can unload his rage at... (mainly jews and uncooperative capitalits)

many people here don't know how far they went with their egalitarian stuff... RAD (reichsarbeitsdienst) were mandatory (and badly payed) labour brigades that build many german autobahns... today they allways tell us in school only poor and unemployed people had to do RAD.... but that's a lie... people out of pretty much every social class were forced to participate and they all got the same wage.

jews still fear that nationalists could go full socialist again that's why the pump so much money into neocon rightwing movements like the AFD, Wilders,... but they fight movements and figures like Haider, Orban,... and coerce their movements to follow down the neo-liberal path so that they become uninteresting for workers and pretty much the biggest part of their target audience...

just imagine AFG winning in germany... (they would abolish the minimum wage and increase the retirement age and people outside of germany wonder why they under 10% )

>>133468675
>once the workers are liberated in their communities there would be no incentive or reason to create a currency
>collapsed in part due to moving away from communism but also due to the fact that many previous workers who were now apart of the state saw themselves differently and above the regular workers
>elect 'leaders' in their unions and would be banded together to fight against the return of capitalism
el
oh
el

>>133468555
*100000 food stamps you racist bigot

>>133468728
incorrect. whites prosper far more under free market capitalism than any form of statism

>>133459959
Doesn't/hasn't/will never work... ever.

How many times do you retards have to put your hand in the fire to learn pain?

Only a meritocracy can propagate critical mass to further the species, both for the individual and the common (read:community/society) good.

>>133468803
That's accelerationism which is a means to achieve communism by leftists who propose that Capitalism will simply collapses, often argued by leftcoms. I firmly disagree with it and believe in direct action because as capitalist automation grows, the capitalists power to say undertake eugenics or direct control of the worker grows and our power as a class diminishes more and more to the point revolution will be impossible one day as physically unable to do so
>>133468813
And you get one free siberian railway ticket

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>>133459959

THIS------------------> >>133467632

>>133469059
found the jew...

>>133459959

(OP) needs to learn about communitarianism is.

It's better than communism; less killing required.

>>133468979
>nazis actually were socialists
No they weren't. They actually privatized MORE firms when they came into power.

>>133468583
As people began to expand and travel the land, conflict evolved in to territory struggle. History is a long string of events, you can't ignore the evolution of human behavior as newer tribes were faced with new decisions and conflicts. Many of the hunter/gatherers back then had plenty of things to worry about other than each other. The environment kept them very busy (weather, animals, lack of food, need for shelter, etc). Once they established a decent system, then they decided to expand and challenge other for their resources and terriroty.

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>>133468934
>classless, moneyless and stateless society
This is complete hose shit and flies in the face of all communist ideas / philosophies.

You are just a complete liar at this point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQr6_cEhmE

One of the key planks of Communism is a Central bank you fucking idiot.

https://fauxcapitalist.com/2011/06/18/one-of-the-10-planks-of-the-communist-manifesto-isnt-just-a-central-bank/

“Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.“ - Communist Manifesto

>>133459959
All we have to do is end the food stamp program. Whoops, no more "revolution"

1 sage this shit

2 my friends suffered enough in Poland because of you twits. I really hope you one day get to watch the people you care about in pain, due to communism not being able to provide (as 100% of the time ends up happening in history).


I mean this from the bottom of my cold heart, that you go through enough emotional trauma to see what your system ends up with.

May you suffer and never die without pain.


3 at least make some good music as always

>>133468979
see >>133468964
or >>133469185

>>133468675
>I said I'm not completely against the State but the main criticisms I hold against it are the following.
>The State when in existence regardless of the mode of production can through sociological power relations start to manifest into hierachies and thus revert the economic system back to capitalism to maintain power.
The same thing can happen under "stateless" communism.
>As Richard Wolff - Economics professor who's a leftist said of the USSR, the country collapsed in part due to moving away from communism but also due to the fact that many previous workers who were now apart of the state saw themselves differently and above the regular workers and the state began to dis-integrate into state capitalism and thus red imperialism such as in Afghanistan.
Wouldn't imperialism be the only feasible way of spreading communism at that point though? You can encourage revolutions in other nations all you want but it's pretty obvious the people of America and western Europe had no intentions of revolution.
>Now onto your second point, once the workers are liberated in their communities there would be no incentive or reason to create a currency,
How about if there's resource scarcity and they want a medium of exchange for said resources?
>regardless assuming they did which there is no reason for it would not matter as the other workers in other communities would not use their currency or exchange in their capitalism and it would hence collapse/fail.
I could see it being accepted as long as the mode of production remained socialist. And honestly, I'd have no problem with it, since I consider myself somewhat of a MarkSoc.
The current mode of production is exploitative but markets do indeed encourage innovation and competition.

Capitalism doesn't suck, you purple haired career Baristas, you're just losers.

It's not the system, it's you.

Communists will remain politically stunted if they continue to say how they love the working-class out of one side of their mouth, then out of the other continue to give hand outs and wrist slaps to those who take far more than they contribute just to get votes.

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>>133459959
>Communism will win
>communism, the ideology of failure
Lol where have we heard that before....not
even the largest and most successful communist country is still communist.

>>133459959
The thing is nazis ARE the real working class. You're just an upper-middle-class autist larping as something you're not. The working class are jamaal and cletus.

>>133459959
>Implying the working class aren't shilling for an ethnostate

>>133459959
>Communism will win as the hitherto class structures of capitalism are ended by the rise of the socialist proleteriat who will be the gravedigger of the rich.
Seems we're on the same side. We hate Hillary Clinton and Co too.

>>133469238
>As people began to expand and travel the land, conflict evolved in to territory struggle. History is a long string of events, you can't ignore the evolution of human behavior as newer tribes were faced with new decisions and conflicts.
Sure, but we're talking about the earliest human civilizations here, which were hunter-gather societies. And the evidence strongly suggests that conflict over resources and land was very uncommon. Once these societies changed and abandoned their hunter-gatherer roots, warfare probably did become more common, yes, but I never disputed that. The fact that warfare only became a major issue later in history should tell you that the structure of society itself is a bigger factor in determining how greedy and violent a population is than some nebulous concept of human nature.

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>>133469185
not really... nazis siezed specified amount of final product (in %) of firms and smaller factories leaving it in the ownership of the original owner (big factories came under direct state controll thats true). It was done for 2 reasons
>a) to prepare for war

>b) to counter ((their)) influence in industry of state

commies just took it all and plundered it killing/jailing anyone who would dare to oppose them

>>133468675
>The workers would be in direct democratic relationships to elect 'leaders' in their unions and would be banded together to fight against the return of capitalism/fascism/un-needed hierachies and hence their is no reason for a state to return.
You'll always have some degree of social hierarchy. The idea is to minimize economic hierarchy by arranging the economy into cooperatives which would function under a corporate/guild system. Although I know you'll disagree since you're a communist and you guys have different ideas on this sort of thing.
>Btw comrade, do you browse leftypol? Assuming you're not a polack false flagging you're welcome to come
I used to browse all the time but I quit because the owner is an autist who bans Strasserites. Other than the owners of /leftypol/ though, I've always been able to have reasonable conversations with genuine, non idpol communists even though I would consider myself a fascist or a yellow socialist. As a matter of fact, I usually post here with the fascist flag but I switched to the nazbol flag for this thread.

>>133469397
This

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>>133468355
First of all, what makes small communities less exploitative than large ones? Larger communities let workers specialize to a greater degree. How do you explain holdovers from the feudal era like the Rothschilds possessing so much wealth and power? Why do the upper echelons of the bourgeoisie seem to be obsessed with the occult and Jewish prophecy? Why were so many of the bolsheviks and German communists Jews?

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>>133469534
Prove you even know what Communism is, you are denying the 10 planks of the communist manifesto at this point you retard fuck.

>>133469361
> The same thing can happen under "stateless" communism.
No, as the workers will directly elect any form of leadership and will remove them easily without the existence of a 'central army' as said workers will make up all forces of the community.
> Wouldn't imperialism be the only feasible way of spreading communism at that point though? You can encourage revolutions in other nations all you want but it's pretty obvious the people of America and western Europe had no intentions of revolution.
They weren't invading for instance Afghanistan (The USSR) to spread Communism/socialism but to gain power and resources. Western Europe and America has to come to its own way of revolution obviously but you can encourage third/second world revolution through education/support rather then imperialist expansion
> How about if there's resource scarcity and they want a medium of exchange for said resources?
Resource scarcity is a myth largely propagated by capitalism, if we consume and produce sustainabiltiy due to how many avaliable substitute goods there are. there is no real scarcity of supply. Plus through socialisted automation the ability to produce eco-friendly will greatly increase meaning that resource scarcity can be abolished and further improvements in math/science/engineering can happen.
> I could see it being accepted as long as the mode of production remained socialist. And honestly, I'd have no problem with it, since I consider myself somewhat of a MarkSoc.
The current mode of production is exploitative but markets do indeed encourage innovation and competition.
I'm not fully opposed to market socialism/Mutualism etc as at this point I'm fine with nearly any revolution as long as it's not completely authoritarian/reactionary. Markets for luxury goods to be paid with wage credits earned through socially necessary labour is an idea that I'm alright with. Thanks for quality responses rather then half the garbage polacks on this thread.

>>133459959
I got no prob ending ending capitalism kike it wont be for communism though

Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles livestock

>>133469349
yes they were... they just didn't opose privat ownership (socialist tend to be that way...). on the other hand they dispised stocks and dividends. however they knew that people striving for wealth are a good way to encourage a prospering industry...

however they still had direct control over every bigger industry... if someone didn't behave he ended up in a labour camp or lost control over his empire. there are noumerous examples of german industry magnags getting cucked by them....

so yes in public they said we accept private ownership on the other hand they pretty much took whole induytry empires from people that oposed them and put it in the hands of their allies.

so no your property and live was only save if you were loyal to the current state doctrine...

>>133469730
I've read the manifesto nigger. His critique of capital is fine, it's his solutions that are shit. Not to mention, I literally defined communism as a global stateless resource based economy because that's essentially what it is. Not to mention, he's defining socialism, what he considered to be the transition stage to stateless communism. It's clear you haven't read it and are just getting your information from memes.

>>133468556
well he is unironically a commie
history denial is what they do
and destroy nations
and genocide people
and generally ruin the world

Welcome to the real world, kids. It's survival of the fittest. I'm sorry your shithead parents and professors sold you a false bill of goods. SORT YOURSELVES OUT.

>>133469397
I have dirty blond hair.
>>133469415
Uh I think you're confusing social democrats with Communists. We don't run for office in the capitalist political climate, we want to abolish it. Social democrats are hypocrite and class traitors and deserve mockery though.
>>133469431
USSR wasn't communist, read up if you want proof
>>133469476
They aren't, they are just desperate for any sort of respite from late capitalists huge exploitation of their labour.
>>133469434
I'm not autistic or upper-middle class. Nazis are lumpenprole who identify theires a problem which is a state but they mistake the solution/who is to blame, Instead of blaming rightfully the rich they blame the Jews/refugees/minorities etc and they think the solution is more capitalism :? when capitalism is creating all the problems they see.
>>133469504
Hillary is a porky bourgeois who wanted to expand the power of the rich political establishment class. She was an enemy of the people as is Donald Trump.

>>133469150
>the capitalists power to say undertake eugenics or direct control of the worker grows
That's rerarded and overly paranoic. The democracies with free market prohibit both these things. The owner may have money, but he uses it only the way the state allows him to. If he tried something unusual he'd end up in jail. The democratic state will always favor the worker, because there are more workers than owners voting and this balances quite well the scales. What you're proposing is to end a system that works and replace it with something that is proven to not work.

>>133469532
Yes, really. The Nazis sold off tons of government-owned shares to private entities, essentially transferring control of them from the government to private capitalists. That isn't socialist in the slightest.

Read this: http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

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>>133469730
>"abolition of all laws on inheritence"

This is a great recipe for destruction and plundering of society.. Stealing what does not belong to state to redistribute it.. making everyone equaly poor, unmotivated to take care of property, unmotivated to multipay any riches, unmotivated to work on personal success..

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>>133469905
So your not a communist at all. You are calling some distributist / globalist hybrid ideal Communism to get responses.

You're just an uneducated attention whore trolling.

>>133470010
You side has a serious competence deficit. Being the natural choice for losers isn't going to expedite revolution, sorry to burst your bubble.

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>>133470010
>Nazis are lumpenprole
Aren't lumpens criminals and people with no revolutionary potential though? How do you know some of them can't become class conscious?
>>133470082
I literally said I wasn't a communist you retarded nigger. By the way, this is the definition of communism according to Marxist theory. Read a fucking book nigger. Ask the actual commie, he'll agree with me.

>>133469534
You might have some social hierachy, but there is no reason to maintain the existence of un-necessary social hierachies. The main social tenet of anarcho-communism is that hierachies like Patriachy that cant be justified should be abolished.
>>133469534
The level of conversation is definitely higher on Leftypol, I used to be a Polack fascist until I started reading about 6-8 Months ago, but even then I was well versed/didnt argue with fallacies.
I don't follow identity-politics especially the liberal form of it however still hold egalitarian social positions. I wish US Antifa for instance would stop saying Trump is a fascist and focus on the class struggle/oppression more

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>>133470010
LOOK YOU DIRTY RAT -----> >>133467632

>>133469528
You don't think those new violent societies were created because of human nature? When humans realized that they didn't have to worry as much about survival and could begin to expand. You don't think the urge to expand was already in their nature? You can argue that survival instinct clouded their urge to expand, but how can we know for sure that the urge to claim new territory was not a behavioral trait that was only being suppressed by the need to survive in their current conditions? There are many questions about the evolution of human behavior that are difficult to answer. The question now is, how can we revert back to a state where the only thing we are concerned with is bare minimum survival?

>>133469943
ITT painful to witness, obviously confused NEETS larping as muh commYOUnist while the two primary agitators demonstrate their obfuscation of both the tenets of the failed (every fucking time throughout history) concept, and practice. And the most lulz enducing... A wanton disregard and denial of human history and condition.

>weak sauce

>>133459959
test

>>133459959
Communism is an ideology of the past, nowadays working class has it pretty good.
Definitely better than under communism, thats for certain

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>>133470218
>this is the definition of communism according to Marxist theory
CARL FUCKING MARX WROTE THE 10 PLANKS WHICH INCLUDES A FUCKING CENTRAL BANK YOU FUCKING RETARD

CAN YOU FUCKING READ?!

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>>133470033
Theres a closing divide between the economic bourgeois and the political class. Look at the donations Hillary and Trump received from Big super pacs/investment groups etc and you will see the Economic bourgeois' power in political decision making is growing and growing. Furthermore modern liberal democracy is a farce, there is constant manipulation of said democracy to gain an objective, Gerrymandering and disenfranchisement are used to reduce minority/poor voters from voting for their economic interests for example.
>>133470218
Lumpenproles are the part of the working class that is either reactionary or unlikely to reach class consciousness and therefore deserve no protection. MAJORITY of Nazis' will remain Nazis' and not join the revolution and are hence lumpenproles. I used to be a Lumpenprole when I was a national capitalist/nearly fascist.
>>133470265
> Muh sad analogy.
Tell me why the majority of russians want to return to the USSR?
>>133470405
The working classes material conditions are worsening. Wages relative to the inflation rate have barely risen since the 1970's. Labour-market conditions are worsening , with more part time/casual then full time employment. Union membership rate is below 10% in US and countries that used to be fully/near fully unionised are only about 50% unionised. The working classes conditions will continue to worsen as the average rate of profit keeps falling.

>>133470234
I mean, I don't see an inherent problem with social hierarchies and maintaining traditions. As far as I'm concerned, people should be banned from engaging in behaviors that are harmful to the nation/state as a whole. My opposition to capitalism is rooted in the fact that it's a globalist system that will always subvert and destroy nations.
>The level of conversation is definitely higher on Leftypol, I used to be a Polack fascist until I started reading about 6-8 Months ago, but even then I was well versed/didnt argue with fallacies.
I don't follow identity-politics especially the liberal form of it however still hold egalitarian social positions.
I don't have a problem with the average user over there but I just think the mod team, especially the BO, has kind of ruined that place. I actually used to be a communist, specifically a Titoist. I became a Strasserite after I got disillusioned with the fact that most """"""""communists"""""""" cared more about trans rights and other progressive "issues" instead of economics. I also realized that there was a potential to tap into class consciousness among the fascist community.
>I wish US Antifa for instance would stop saying Trump is a fascist and focus on the class struggle/oppression more
You're right. I've never liked anarchists but I'd respect them a hell of a lot more if they weren't essentially pawns of the elites who only go around attacking other workers. If they had any balls they'd go and take over the NY stock exchange right before they burn it down.
>>133470422
Once again you fucking nigger, get it through your thick skull. He's describing socialism, what he considered the transitory stage to stateless world communism. Socialism was never his end goal. Communism was.

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>>133470597
>Lumpenproles are the part of the working class that is either reactionary or unlikely to reach class consciousness and therefore deserve no protection. MAJORITY of Nazis' will remain Nazis' and not join the revolution and are hence lumpenproles. I used to be a Lumpenprole when I was a national capitalist/nearly fascist.
Well, I can see why you'd think that if your only interaction with fascists has been on /pol/. I've met fascists on other online communities who are far more opposed to capitalism than the people here who are essentially just racialist libertarians larping as fascists.

>>133470623

Your shit tier ideology has never succeeded. It will never succeed. There is no equality in nature. There will never be equality.

Adapt or die.

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>>133459959
"Working class"
Those of us who actually work don't believe in communism. We realize itsabout those who don't work demanding the product of our labor.

>>133470597
Autistic?
Or manic-depressive?
Or, or did you doubledip you hyperbolic breathing REEEEeeee of disillusionment?

>>133470729
I don't advocate complete equality. If I did I'd be opposed to markets and I'd be a communist. Read my previous posts.

>>133459959
>rise of the "working" class
>none of these commie fucks have jobs

hahah

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>>133459959
All classes dont exist, only the race exists.

>>133470831

I've never met a commie who wasn't a bitter old spinster.

>>133470723
I've tried many times to create discussions on Economics on 8/pol/, not even as a communist but just a general thread and I get yeaps of people calling me a nigger/jidf etc for trying to discuss economic policy rather then the 'joos' It's honestly baffling.
>>133470762
No, we want you to have the FULL product of your labour and not the portion/fraction that capitalism offers. We dont demand anything from you but to fully enjoy your surplus value.
>>133470831
I have a job

>>133470895

You're already getting the full product of your labor. It just so happens the product of YOUR labor is worth fuck all. Should have learned a trade instead, faggot.

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>>133470850
Basing identity on external tertiary materials such as money, materials and such is false, I am not a worker, I am a racial organism, since I know this truth, cspitalism or communism doesnt concern me only the peoples wills and interests.

>>133470895
Serving people coffee or junk food part time isn't a real job.

>>133459959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

commies should be publicly executed, fuck the NAP

>>133459959

I am the working class, socialism is cancer i can't wait to kill you.

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>>133470723
>>133470597
Oh and I'd also like to point out that fascists like Juan Peron worked heavily with trade unions. You also have proto-fascists like Georges Sorel, Otto Strasser and Antonio Primo de Rivera who advocated national syndicalism and then there's people like Codreanu who actively recruited former Marxists into his party.
And the above description pretty much applies to most people I've met who call themselves "third positionists". I know a Ba'athist who kind of fits this bill and is vehemently opposed to capitalism.

With that said, I just don't like it when communists conflate all forms of fascism as essentially being the same thing as capitalism. Honestly, I'd take almost anything over neoliberalism at this point. And yeah, 8/pol/ is cancer.

>>133471057
If you told me what I supported I would twll you individuals wills, and the racial purpose and existence.

Communism isnt truth sinply because materialism is subjective, it has no true value this no reason to organize yourselves in such a manor for something that holds no value.

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>>133470290
>You don't think those new violent societies were created because of human nature?
Possibly? I don't know if it's useful or accurate to classify "anything that humanity decides to do" as being primarily influenced by human nature. There's more at play than just human nature when it comes to history and society.

>rise of the neets.

>>133459959
>rise of the working class

But modern communists don't have jobs. They've been disillusioned into believing they deserve high paid, low skill jobs right after high-school and get hit with the redpill and end up living with mom, since dad bailed years ago.

How can you claim to support the working class when you aren't a part of it?