Be honest: you don't know what 'net neutrality'

>>133438009
And now we see if they will even allow a post such as this.

My almond milk is in the alembic.

>>133438009
Just get comfy, bud. Without an explicit target to meme, we're all just along for the ride

>>133438309
Thats a shame, because I don't ride along.

>>133438009
Bump

>>133438111
Just don't let it die. This board is full of shills and redditors falling for shit bait threads now. So, I guess we'll see.

>>133438927
I appreciate the bump, friendo. I am a real human bean.

>>133438009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z_nBhfpmk4

Educate yourselves, /pol/.

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guys we can't let net neutrality fail!!!!!! there's a monopoly on internet!!!!!!! i only have comcast and will literally DIE if i have to support a local business

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>>133438009
Yes, goyim, nothing wrong with this, goyim.

>>133439149
It's funny how Stephen mentions he knows about this stuff because of his tech background. I'm a software engineer. Neither of us have read this bill.

Allahu Akbar!
The U.S. must take Monroe Doctrine now.
The U.S. must withdraw American Forces from all Foreign Countries now.
Stop America's doing its all wars now!

I love American99% and the U.S.

China, Germany and Japan must loosen Germany's, Japan's and China's monetary policies now!
China, Germany and Japan must stimulate Germany's, Japan's and China's domestic demands now!
Japan and Germany must issue a lot of construction bond now!
Japan and Germany must reduce Germany's, Japan's and China's taxes now!
The U.S. must tighten its monetary policy now!
As a result, Dollar value will rise!
The U.S. will have trade surplus!

Japan, Germany and China are evil empires.
Islamists' true enemies are Japan, Germany, China, FRB, top1%, Wall Street, American Military Industry and DOD!
Japan is the country which has been promoting Globalization!!!
Allahu Akbar!

>>133439170
I only have AT&T and Cox where I live. It's either broadband DSL (<6mbs) or cable.

>>133439602
i don't see the name of your city. privately owned ISPs are listed on google and aren't visible if you just use a "find my local provider" search

>>133438009

i don't think people should have ANY access to the internet, at all. it should be for the military only.

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Here's the source for those quotes if anyone wants to check my work.

>http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/02/26/389259382/net-neutrality-up-for-vote-today-by-fcc-board

>>133440022
Checked. Archive:
https://archive.is/OkBPg

>>133440022
>NPR
topkek

>>133438009
If Congress wanted to pass a bill that requires everyone to take their children to special clinics to be injected with a plague virus, they would call it the Child Health Act.

>>133439982
I understand how dangerous the internet potentially is. But it is also equally potentially wonderful. Sort of like nuclear technology. But I think this is the wrong approach.

>>133440109
The source is irrelevant in this case - you can find many articles from many sources about this same thing around that time.

>>133440224
>The source is irrelevant in this case
Sure, goyim

>>133438009
So this bill could be anything? Nothing to even do with internet?

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>>133440352
Not sure - have you read it?

>http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-cfo-pleased-with-fcc-title-ii-ruling-although-its-preference-would-have-been-no-broadband-regulation-1201446282/

>>133440139

the internet is far more damaging to the morale of a citizenry than it is beneficial. for that matter, computers should also be illegal. and mandatory public schooling should equally divide the school day between education and hard physical training.

>>133440951
I disagree. I agree about the public schooling thing though, for sure. I hope you are talking about actual weight training as well as sports.

>>133439257
Its because net neutrality helps everyone, faggotron.

With net neutrality, the commies can have websites to their commie shit without issues.
With net neutrality, the ancap can pretend to be retarded as much as they want.
With net neutrality, we are allowed to criticize niggers and have a conversation here

Without net neutrality, we are at the mercy of corporations. We would be literally living in internet fascism. And no, its not Mussolinni who is driving us there.

So everyone should support net neutrality, we don't need to censor anyone. We NEED to allow the commies and kikes to exist in order for us to have a place to hate them.

>>133441525
strange. i don't remember net neutrality being a thing until 2015.

for 20 long years i had an internet connection without experience fascism

>>133441525
>Without net neutrality, we are at the mercy of corporations.
You mean like in the entire history of the United States?

>Kekistani flag
Let me guess, you wouldn't know about this. You're not even here.

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>>133438009
I totally agree goy.

>>133441700
>You mean like in the entire history of the United States?
You are at the mercy of Comcast, but Comcast can't touch you without breaking the law. That's what the law is for.

>>133441683
Because the internet was new, and there was no regulation fucktard, net neutrality is keeping the internet running like it was in the 90s. It became an official law to keep the internet neutral. Hence the name "net neutrality"

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>>133441525
(((Shill))) detected.

Holy shit they're getting better but still obvious as fuck.

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>>133441962
>You are at the mercy of Comcast
No I'm not, faggot.
If I had them, and they chose to censor something: no more business from me.

Here's a more important question: why would they censor anything?
Why the fuck would the censor the one thing they're in the business of selling?

Again, you're not from here. Go back to your blacked European shithole.

>>133442287
>and they chose to censor something: no more business from me.
But there are some of us, americucks, that have no other choice beyond the one ISP. What then faggot? Just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean all of us don't have it.

>why would they censor anything
Why do websites censor the word nigger? It hurts the website's traffic and ad revenue, yet they still do it. Think nigga, think.

>>133442201
Stop hating on the commies for once, we are both radicals, we both need the net to stay free.

Don't forget they could literally pull "social media package" and charge you extra for it. This is literally cancer.

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>>133442693
>But there are some of us, americucks, that have no other choice beyond the one ISP. What then faggot?
Liar.
1/4

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>>133442693
>>133442901
2/4

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>>133442693
>Stop hating on the commies for once

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>>133442693
3/4

>We need the government to regulate the internet!

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>>133442693
4/4

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>>133442201
The only shill is you. BTFO faggot

>>133443012
What are you even posting my man?

>>133442693
Then choose a fucking better provider that doesn't do that shit.
Net neutrality harms innovation, prevents ISPs from actually competing for customers which leads to monopolies and gives the government more power over our internet access.

In what way is this "freedom"?

>>133442693
At least 2 providers: >>133442901
At least 3 providers: >>133442942
At least 4 providers: >>133442973
At least 5 providers: >>133443012

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>>133441525
>Kekistan flag
>unironically defending the shills

Nice try Soros.

>>133443160
And they all ban 4chan, why would they allow it?

Again, you are not actually attacking the argument. Why would you want to change net neutrality?

>>133443141
there's not one city in america that only has 1 or 2 ISPs. anyone making the claim is a liar shill.

you aren't even from the US nuflag

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>>133442693
Kill yourself

You already pay for a computer, electricity, internet, and a house to store it in.

Nigger you sound like you're implying that I wouldn't pay money for more things I want. And that people like me who actually have an impact wouldn't still vote with our wallets for a service that supports "free" accessable internet as well as paid services.

Fucking armchair general, no wonder you can't afford the EzPass Express lanes.

Sort yourself.

>>133443237
>And they all ban 4chan, why would they allow it?
And you're still not answering the question, European.
Why ban?

>>133443149
>gives the government more power over our internet access.
No it doesn't. Don't be autistic, here I will do an analogy cuz your too dumb

Once you get water, you can use it however you want at the same price per gallon, if you use 3 gallons to wash your car or to bathe, it's the same price for that water. Currently this applies to the Internet, ISPs can only charge for data you use, not for how (or where) you use it

>>133443342
I answered that here>>133442693 Read it well

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>>133443093

>>133443149
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you shill get the fuck out.

>>133443322
>You already pay for a computer, electricity, internet, and a house to store it in.
So you now want to pay also for internet packages?

Are you fucking nuts?

>>133443396
You did not answer it faggot.
Why would they ban the service they sell?
Why would they artificially limit their own market?
You don't seem to have a very good grasp of basic economics. Maybe your forte was social studies?

>>133443445
>>133443348
Leftypol in full force today

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>Thread twenty of the Mercer group discord

This shit isnt working go the fuck away faggots

>>133443461
>internet packages
do you even know what the internet is?

The only thing that ISPs would allow is mainstream normie garbage. If they get net neutrality through... we would lose the war against normies.

>>133443535
Answer my question first faggotron, stop deflecting your shit. The answer is there. Counter mine first.

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>>133443461
No, I want to pay for better services.

When you make a cuck wage like yours, you may not realize it.. but our time is valuable. I want faster service, better ping not bogged down by niggers watching Netflix.

Lrn2capitalism, and you might realize you're the one holding people back.

>>133443615
Still strawmanning.

Why would they ban the word "nigger"?
Have they done this before? If they haven't, you're strawmanning and crying wolf.

>>133443566
Do you even know how the internet works? Because it seems you might need to learn about it soon, since you will have to bypass your ISP policy restriction to reach an uncensored internet

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>>133443149
Right on the money from my friend down under.

>>133443726
You don't seem to have very good knowledge of the internet, european.

>>133438211
Better activate it!

>>133443726
that wasn't a bait question, it was a real one. do you know what the internet is?

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>>133443726
>Implying real Pol members wouldn't just buy a service that allowed access

Poorfag detected

Lord kek does not approve of net neutrality.

>>133443706
>no they haven't
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>133443678
>No, I want to pay for better services.
You are not getting better services you retarded moron. All the ISPs have an agreement to not go for optic fiber. You are not getting better anything. They will do everything in their power to maintain their status quo.

And you want to give them more power?

Just how fucking retarded are you, seriously?

>>133443549
Im not a leftist you autist.

>>133438009
Your post is a wonderful example of ignorance.

Yeah, we've never read the net neutrality bill. You know why? Because there isn't one dipshit. Net neutrality is a principle that creates a free and open internet.
Now politicians want to introduce bills that will ERODE net neutrality. We are against those.

your only argument is "muh morality"?

why the fuck are you even on the internet, 4chan of all places, if you're so against it?

either troll, slider, or stupid.

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>>133438009
>"Be honest: you don't know what 'net neutrality' is because you've never read the bill."

I stoped reading right there.

>>133443811
he's from germany; the only country where net neutrality is the norm. they don't pay for ul/dl speeds, so he doesn't understand what real internet is

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>>133443904
>HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>133443828
This is the shilliest post ever made, holy fuck kill yourself.

Real 4channers would steal everything for free, don't forget where you are posting, shill.

>>133443925
Whats in the 332 pages then?

>>133443160
Well that map is 110% bullshit.

Baltimore City has "At least 2 providers" alright. You can get Comcast @ 105/15 or Verizon DSL @ 1.5/.768. YOU HAVE A CHOICE!

>>133443925
Why would you be against net neutrality?

What the fuck is wrong with you? The internet should remain as it is right now.

>>133442287
>literal retard.

>>133441683

Verizon was actively experimenting in certain counties with fucking over their users.

If you were more informed you would know that they shifted ISPs to Title 2 and adopted NN directly in response to Verizon's fuckery in 2014.

ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY IS A JEW SHILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo

Holy fucking shit, this video drops hard fucking redpills.

Net Neutrality is jewish in nature and brainwashes our children.

Enjoy being docile human beings for the rest of your life.

Get fucked niggers

Net Neutrality is inherintly anti-fascist. We need digital fascism to prevent the populace being brainwashed by useless information.

You're the ones LARPing as a """"kekistan"""" and then when someone takes your stupid little internet away you cry like a big stupid baby. Get fucked nigger

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Telcom Companies setting up different Internet Deals. Afterall it is annarcho capitalistic.

Go back to plebbit, niggers

>>133443925
>We are against those
>Almost every anon here seems to hate freedom.

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>>133444003
Poorfag confirmed

Abandon thread

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Seriously Mercer faggots, nobody is suddenly buying all this bullshit. You are too late to the debate thats already been had.

>>133444065
Because everything should be free.

>>133444127
>its a make the poor suffer and the rich richer episode
you have outed yourself, kike

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>>133444003
>shilliest
>Real 4channers
>4channers
you're from that autistic shill/trolling discord group that was discovered recently, aren't you

>>133444070
It's always the pro-NNers that power through with the insightful responses.
Thanks, my argument has changed now!

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>>133444003
You can just smell the summer with that post you just made.

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>>133443958
Got your reply, though.

>>133438009
You are all missing the target. The regulations preventing new ISPs from coming into your region and competing are the problem. Anywhere Google is able to weedle its way in all of a sudden the deals start flowing from the other guys. This should be about accessing the utility lines so you have more than 2 choices in any given region. If you want to be able to actually punish your ISP for being shitty by leaving then this is where the fight actually is. Right now you are just choosing between cartel members that have agreed tos stay out of each others way.

>>133443908
Reddit would beg to differ

Attempting to regulate the market because of a hypothetical flaw that's never happened before is a leftist ideal

>>133444191
Why shouldn't the internet be free? You dumb or something?

>I would rather pay 20 dollars over paying 5 dollars for the same product
This is you.

>>133444096
Net Neutrality means a free internet you leftist cuck...nice try shilling the leftist agenda now get lost and go back to plebbit were you fucking belong.

>>133444312
>Why shouldn't the internet be free? You dumb or something?
What, you think internet grows on trees?

>>133444251
>>133444254
>literal ad-hom
This is how we know you have been paid to post here.

OP was the only one making remarkable posts.

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>>133444419
>the admission of defeat
it tastes so sweet

>>133444374
You think we need to pay for the internet when everyone benefits from it? Its a human right at this point.

Donald needs control of the media... to save it.

>>133444096
Wow, really massaged my cashews, thanks Tom Rutledge.

>>133444419
Dude, it's you. It's so obvious.

>>133444419
>kekistan flag

Opinion discarded. Go back to The_Donald and shitpost there.

>>133444293
>Being on the side of freedom is a leftist ideal

Fuck off with that bullshit. your not kidding anyone now go back to plebbit you shill.

>>133444480
I recognize that image but don't remember where.

>>133444511
Until the left gets elected, and then we are slaves.

>>133444096
Hello CNN, you need to be gassed.

>>133444365
> Calling someone Reddit while defending the Redditest idea of the year.
Spotted the middle-aged non-STEM educated woman who thinks defending "Net Neutrality" will make her look like a "connected" internet-savvy geek.

It doesn't, Judith.

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If everyone hated throttling so much then wouldn't it be considered business suicide to go that route?

Why do we need to regulate this again?

>>133444567
>Implying there will be elections after Trump

The internet has changed even in the short time between SOPA, PIPA and now. The majority of use by a huge margin is social media and things that tie into it like youtube. The internet is entirely co-opted by normies now, and they don't care about things like net neutrality. I doubt they would even notice if it went to a cable like subscription model as long as they got facefuck and instawhore.

The normies have taken perhaps the greatest tool of mankind and turned it into a vehicle for attention whoring. Let it all burn I say.

>>133444583
Holy shit that burn. Well done Anon

>>133444065
I am FOR net neutrality. I am AGAINST efforts by (mostly) republicunt lawmakers to erode it.

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ban check,
also look what I found

>>133444065
So, not that I'm against net neutrality, but here's the actual question:

Say a bill is passed that makes it illegal for them to "censor" the internet. How would this be enforced?

1) How would the average user even know it was happening?
2) What if they shape traffic in a way that affect information that is deemed illegal? Is that against the law?
3) Is it then against the law to shape data?
4) Obviously QoS and VPNs are ok...so what kind of data is not allowed to be prioritized and what isn't? How do you define censoring vs throttling?

To be perfectly honest, I don't see this going well regardless. If you pass a bill that says "you're allowed to censor" then you get censorship that is controlled by corporations. If you pass a bill that says "You're not allowed to censor" then you get censor ship that is controlled by the government that is controlled by corporations.....

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>>133444044
yawn

>>133444704
He isn't like based Macron, he hasn't proclaimed god yet.

>>133444757
>he has been arguing against me all this time
>without realizing we are on the same side
lmaoing at our life

>>133444122
>Almost every anon here seems to hate freedom.
I know, /pol/ is for of idiots. When I said "We" I meant people who are smart and support net neutrality.

>>133444681
Oh look another fucking shill whos against freedom. Nice try now fuck off.

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Net neutrality and people of color can both go to hell.

>>133443904
>>no they haven't

You can't compare one fucking website to a company that provides access to the entire internet you fucking mongoloid.

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>>133444870
You post cuckold porn, of course you're in a position of authority

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We must be single-minded, friendos. Will net neutrality or its abolition better help save the West? This is the only important question.

>>133444777
Fake News

Americans are fucking retarded holy shit

>>133444860
Are you a Mexican by any chance?

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I wish today was over

god damn reddit has infested the site with this kike bullshit

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>>133444777
Careful...

Is there anyplace in which one can read the bill itself?

>>133444828
>To be perfectly honest, I don't see this going well regardless. If you pass a bill that says "you're allowed to censor" then you get censorship that is controlled by corporations. If you pass a bill that says "You're not allowed to censor" then you get censor ship that is controlled by the government that is controlled by corporations.....
Which is why we should keep net neutrality as it is.

Right now, we can tell what is censored because users from outside the country can confirm it with you.

>Wireless internet service gets faster and more widespread
>It gets easier and cheaper to run a wireless service due to innovation
>Big bad ISPs and city governments cry in rage as I have many many satellite or cellular internet options to choose from if they start throttling my chans

What's the problem?

>>133443904
He's too simple to reailze that neutrality is the only reason he's still free to say that word here.

>>133444034
The bill introduced to eliminate net neutrality. All the fuss is to preserve net neutrality because it is the very thing that makes the internet worth a damn.

Without it you'll literally have to choose: Do I want to browse 4chan today, play video games, or watch porn?

Without it anyone without a billion dollars will have no chance to do anything on the internet.

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>>133445061
>http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/03/12/392544534/fcc-publishes-full-text-of-net-neutrality-rules

>>133439170
>small businesses have the means to build underwater cables and satellites to compete with other ISPs

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>>133445035
See >>133444544

>>133444682
Because when you only have 1-3 options and all are throttling there is no way around it.

>>133444682

Net neutrality is the government offering a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and they definitely won't fuck everything up in the process!

>>133445136
>The bill introduced to eliminate net neutrality.
No, they were voting on the net neutrality bill itself. I think you are confused.

>>133444941
>the msm has long misrepresented people of color
Wut. What reality is this person living in? It sure isn't this one.

>>133443461
>muh doom and gloom predictions of Internet packages
I can't wait for NN to get destroyed so you can fuck off back to whatever reddit board you crawled from when everyone makes fun of you shills for none of your doom and gloom predictions coming true

>>133444682
>If everyone hated throttling so much then wouldn't it be considered business suicide to go that route?
When everyone does it, you don't have a choice.

>>133444070
lol yeah sure I am smartguy

>>133444950
I can, I did, and I will continue to do it.

Stop being retarded, and accept your FEELING that 4chan will remain as it is, because you THINK they will be the nice little corporations they have always been, and allow racists shitlords like you to have an opinion in their servers.

Protip: They won't allow you to do anything, none of them will, and forget about pirating websites. You will pay for every little thing you try to do.

pay pay pay pay pay pay pay

That's your fucking future unless you stop being a fucking moron and stop arguing against your own interests.

>>133445185
This

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MERCER DISCORD GROUP FUCKING LEAVE. STOP SHITTING UP /POL/.

>>133445287
The problem doesn't exist because we currently have net neutrality. We have it now because Verizon and others started discriminating against internet traffic, it was a very real problem that did exist. Would you like a list?

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>>133445220
You need to be gassed kike.

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>>133445320
But no one does it.

>>133445315
Yeah, why would corporations want to make more money?!

OH SILLY ME

>>133442693
>But there are some of us, americucks, that have no other choice beyond the one ISP. What then faggot?
Turn off your computer and go outside?

>>133445136

Except that's not what's going to happen. Instead, the government is going to buttfuck the internet into the ground and you retards will cheer as it happens.

How the FUCK can you suck bureaucratic government dick so eagerly? The cock of the Feds is 1000x bigger than the largest corporate dick.

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>A spokesperson for 4chan didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

>>133445568
Give me a quick rundown on the most powerful entities on the face of the planet.

>>133445582
>ignoring the problem makes it disappear
Hi, SJW.

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133445491
Go back to bed Soros.

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>>133438009
That's why I am against Net Neutrality. Everything the government touches, it ruins.

>>133445568
That business model would have to make sense. Websites aren't like channels. Do you know the relationship between channels/stations and cable companies?

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>>133438009
>Be honest: you don't know what 'net neutrality' is

Probably not, but I do know what 'Government run' means.

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>>133445402
I'd rather have the Shareblue folks back

These Kekposters are worse than cancer: They're boring.

>>133444777
wtf i love Soros now

>>133445364
This. Internet can be classified as an essential service now since most people use it as communication. ISPs simply provide the infrastructure for said service and you pay to access it. Letting ISPs control content is a disaster waiting to happen.

>>133445073
Only if you know to ask....

When you're a fish the last thing you think about is water.

That's the problem. People use the internet CONSTANTLY. The things that you would actually think "hrm...this seems suspicious" isn't even an internet object. A router could shape your entire experience into something that you would just accept as the internet without ever knowing anything different.

>>133441683
Even if it wasn't, I've been enjoying the way the internet was and has been since 2015, so why get rid of net neutrality? It doesn't seem to be doing anything too terrible, so why do we so desperately need to get rid of it?. I've had no problems since 2015.

>>133438009
>maybe this good thing is secretly a bad thing!
>it must be so!
>STOP THE GOOD THING!
good goy

>>133445726
We already have it though. What are your complaints about it?

>>133438009
http://www.reviews.org/internet-service/comcast-xfinity-internet-review/
Already have tiered internet while in this "net neutrality" utopia. lmao
We have laws that prevent internet providers from throttling or blocking websites, faggots and it was in place BEFORE net neutrality.

Verizon vs FCC
Comcast lawsuit throttling bittorrent
Verizon lawsuit throttling Netflix

Liberals tricked into believing repeal is bad with bullshit what-ifs that are already protected against by law, and the rest of you eating up the lies. OPENLY accepting the bullshit while paying more and more money that the providers pass on us.

>>133438009
Posting these things here just upsets people. Whatever happens is out of our hands, and has always been. Go ahead and march on Washington again, wearing your pink hats, screaming "ho-ho hum-hum" or whatever, and see how far that goes again. Maybe Soros will spring for your travel expenses (in fact, I, too would like an all-expenses-paid vacation where I go wandering around screaming pointlessly at people).

>>133445746
>That business model would have to make sense
Does the Blockbuster model makes sense?
Does Netflix makes sense?
Does Windows makes sense?
Does having to pay an ISP for internet makes sense?
Does having to pay for software makes sense?
Do DLC in videogames makes sense?
Do pre-launch pre-order makes sense?
Do patreon makes sense?

USE YOUR FUCKIGN BRAIN DUDE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

>>133438009
>Those bills were all shut down and everyone cheered.
Wrong.

Those bills were passed during the Boston Bombing while everyone was distracted.

>>133445746
Do you know the relationship between ISPs and internet speed?

>>133445416
>Verizon and others started discriminating against internet traffic
How about you source that statement?

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this is a defeated planet.
prison planet earth run by yahwh and the human traitors.

>>133445498
Uh...wut

Literally every ISP throttles something.

Comcast doesn't even give you the advertised speed. It says in the fucking commercials and on the paperwork you sign that you only get 100 or 50 meg or whatever you paid for for like 5 mins then you get throttled back to half that.

Not to mention wireless carriers. Christ. Their fine print is as long as your fucking arm.

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>>133445977
You must have me confused with someone else.

>>133445748
Sure did ruin roads, clean water and making sure your burgers don't have roaches, right?

I'm all for de-regulation, but you're being stupid, anon. All these newfags coming in AFTER 4chan rallied for net neutrality as it happened.

Quit sucking trumps dick and open your eyes you inbreds.

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>>133445047
> Carefully organized campaign to make people defend something by making them "feel smart" and "in the know"
> Reddit massively join it
Surprising...

>>133445809
Wait what's the problem again? Aren't we both arguing that things should remain as they are now? Because otherwise things would be harder for all of us?

>>133445498
no one does it because of net neutrality.

The new bill in which people are vehemently in oppposition to seeks to do away with net neutrality.

You literally cannot be this stupid. Troll confirmed.

>>133446101
How DARE you insult the God Emperor!

>>133445819

There were no problems before 2015, so why let government control creep into the internet?

>>133444953
what?

This is the worst thread I've ever seen. /pol/ is completely retarded. I now oppose net neutrality because I want this site to die and everyone here to be euthenised. Some of you may be innocent, but the risk that you're not is simply too great.

>>133446238
>Australia
TOP KEK

>>133441683
Let me guess, you turned 16 in 2015?
Here's a quick history lesson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States

>>133446371
Just to be clear, this isn't about the concept of net neutrality. This is about a bill they pass that they kept calling 'net neutrality'. It's actually called the Open Internet Order. Guess the symbolism behind that one.

>>133445047
>we have telecom and Comcast shills in /pol/ right now
Damn, maybe I should visit Reddit sometime, because /pol/ didn't inform me of this at all.

>>133446101
>what is the health care industy
>what is the DMV

>>133439170
Who is making the argument that net neutrality increases competition for ISPs? I see it being the opposite as maintaining the current state of things. If people know that ISPs are allowed to throttle, they will want clarity as to which are and are not given portions of bandwidth. This will increase the chances that other companies can create services with different features and possibly different package options from individual ISPs. The typical arguments for net neutrality are fundamentally
>gubment goob, ebil cumpnees

>>133446655
Don't pretend you ever left reddit you "kekistani" trash.

>>133446101
Where do people keep getting the idea that roads are federal? Your state takes care of your roads. Interstate roads are federal, I believe.

>>133445136
Best post in here!

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>>133444044
>Well that map is 110% bullshit.
Those maps are LITERALLY directly from the fucking FCC.
https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

>>133446731
>This will increase the chances that other companies can create services with different features
There is nothing stopping them right now from doing that.

Don't be an idiot please. We already live in true capitalism in digital form.

>and possibly different package options from individual ISPs.
>this is somehow a good thing
Comcast shill detected

I believe in net neutrality, but I also think it's something not to worry about. It's been up and down for the past 4 years from what I can remember.

>The level of anti-net neutrality shilling on /pol/ right now

Have fun paying Comcast $300/month to post your rare pepes

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>>133438211
You've just activated my almond.

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>>133445136
>All the fuss is to preserve net neutrality because it is the very thing that makes the internet worth a damn.
And it was preserved for 30 years without any need for a massive government regulation overhaul. Weird.

>>133446050
Comcast blocking legal use of bittorrent:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/22/comcast-blocks-bible-from-being-uploaded.html
Comcast throttling use of VPNs:
https://www.bestvpn.com/comcast-throttling-openvpn-traffic/
Verizon throttling netflix so customers use their on video service:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth
AT&T blocks facetime unless you buy a certain data package:
https://www.wired.com/2012/09/factime-fcc-flap/

lol all these fags threatening to leave 4chan for reddit... later faggots.

>>133447031
>It's been up and down for the past 4 years from what I can remember
It has never been down since the creation of the internet. Educate yourself please.

>>133445136
>Without it you'll literally have to choose: Do I want to browse 4chan today, play video games, or watch porn?
One thing is bothering me, how do you know if this will happen? Maybe it never happens. Quit pushing your fear to enable the government to increase their control over people.

>>133446731
Its not just about icnreasing competition for ISP's, it's for increasing comeptition on the internet in general.

Net neutrality is what prevents huge corporations like verizon and microsoft from snuffing out little guys by making their path the only viable option. In almost any category you can imagine. Please seriously do some research because your misgivings about what it is and what it implies are clear, and unless you're a shill, the fact that you post on 4chan dictates that you want, and need net neutrality.

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>>133446101
>Why won't you give the government a chance?

Do you ship packages by US mail or FedEx? Which do you think will arrive faster?

How much does FedEx spend in a year to make that happen? How much money did the US postal service spend? I'm sure it was a little more than that.

Best part, I can CHOOSE how much I want to spend on getting it there FAST or getting it lost in a postal hub in Michigan.

>>133447031
Dude this shit's been going on for a decade. Every two or three years some leftist faggot """leaks""" that bullshit 'ala carte internet' infographic and everyone jumps in and starts screaming about how we can't protect the internet unless we turn control of it over to the federal government

>>133447065
Which is why we should stop the bill...which is why net neutrality is good...

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>>133438009
Oh wow, they stopped posting this shit under the kekistan flag because they realized /pol/ mostly hates those shill faggots or posts under that flag for (you)s.

>>133447196
see:
>>133447095


Because we have seen them try to pass this shitty fucking bill ever since Chanology?

>>133447095
courts exist for a reason shill

we don't need a nanny state

>>133447196
>One thing is bothering me, how do you know if this will happen?

Because corporations have never wanted less money

>>133447225
That is what I meant by it's cycle. Net neutrality gets traction every few years. The concept itself is obviously old but not it's popularity.

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>>133438009
http://www.strawpoll.me/13420739

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>>133447095
>yfw you realize that was all the buildup so they could have a reason to introduce the bill

>>133447065
the government overhaul is what is threatening destroy it.

>>133445498
I don't like ISPs collecting my data, know any companies I can switch over to no problem that don't do it? Obviously no one likes people collecting their data and selling but then why does AT&T still have customers? There are SO many ISPs and you make it seem like switching over is no problem.

>>133447348
Explain how a bill that makes packet discrimination illegal creates a nanny state.

>>133447095
They were all sued, setting precedence with the law protecting the consumers against this practice. Of course this still doesn't stop Comcast from offering tiered service.
>>133445906

>>133447163
Calm down, dead meme.

>>133447352
It is a risky move because people will stop using them. If you are concerning about monopolies, then simply, break the monopolies.

>>133447365
Network neutrality is fine, it's a perfect de facto standard... but that's the key word, de facto. No one FORCED service providers to treat network traffic neutrally, and even up until a couple years ago the government couldn't prevent ISPs from violating the concept of network neutrality without framing the complaints in terms of existing FTC regulations. But with very few exceptions they did it anyways, because that's what their customers demanded.

>>133442901
Does anyone even live in the white spots?

>>133447348
no ones asking for a nanny state. we're just saying bills that give corporations the right to throttle, censor and regulate the internet are bullshit and ought to be burned.

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>>133447065
>Mercer faggot outs self as supporter of net neutrality

Lets Archive That!

http://archive.is/RTRcY

>>133447585
This would be the ideal solution, to lower the bar to becoming an ISP. I don't see that ever happening given the lobbying by comcast and how they tend to buy out or run any competition out of business.

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>>133446970
>nothing stopping them from doing that
So you're saying they're allowed to throttle right now, despite pic related? How does that work? If you're not saying that, then how can they create different packages to better serve different customer bases who wish for different services?
How about you stop being a piece of shit and resorting to insults? Make some sense instead.

>>133445843
If we have it then what's the big deal? Why we need a law passed?

>>133438009
I hate all the companies and probably most of the people for it, so I can't wait to remove it.

>>133447348
This. We have Supreme Court which its going to be dealt with him since this shit is causing complaints.

>>133447470
>They were all sued
Because we have always lived under Net Neutrality, which allows us to stop them from being a bunch of kikes.

If they make any small change to net neutrality then the next time they try to that things won't go so smooth for the consumers.

Consumers should have the power over the market, not the other way around.

>>133447585
You don't understand at all how this works, technology doesn't work like Economics 101 tells you.

No one has broken Windows monopoly, everyone that tried gets bought by Microsoft. The ISPs have done the same to competitors. And will continue to do so forever. We live in an era of super monopolies that are too big to fall.

The monopoly cycle hasn't been broken for 30 years, and is simply not going to break.

>>133447774
This is about the bill that would repeal neutrality, that's what all the drama has been about today.

>>133447222
Net neutrality is not the government providing internet to us. You're comparing apples to oranges. The Government is leaving it as it is: how everyone likes it (except for whatever cable company you work for obviously).

>>133447677
>So you're saying they're allowed to throttle right now, despite pic related?
No, I'm saying your new hipster companies that want to get into the market can do it right now.

They will have as much chances as they would have under a fascist internet.

>>133446574
It wasn't even a bill passed through Congress though, it was an order given by unelected bureaucrats using a loose interpretation of regulatory authority granted to their organization by Congress before the internet even existed. God forbid Congress getting to decide these things instead of those guys.

>>133447345
If you'd actually read the bill currently before Congress, which isn't even one full page long, you'd know how retarded this post sounds.

>>133447646
>no ones asking for a nanny state
>we just want federal agencies to monitor our internet usage and sue companies instead of suing them ourselves

>>133447969
I will never read anything made by the government to censor me.

Ever.

>>133447677
Read the text of what you posted.
Throttling based on content, applications, services or non-harmful devices is illegal, just as your screen shot says. Throttling based on data plans and caps, that does not discriminate against traffic, is not illegal.

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>>133447635
Probably not.
Want a list of providers in the US? Here's an interactive map: https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

Net neutrality is necessary because the American broadband space is effectively monopolized. 51% of Americans have access to only one ISP, 38% have access to only 2. ISP companies work out deals to carve out exclusive areas, and sign contracts with municipalities to block other ISPs from laying cable of their own. The costs of laying cable and the web of restrictions put up by existing ISPs makes creating a competitive ISP company virtually impossible.

If we lived in a world where every American had 10-20 ISPs to choose from, all competing with one another, the discussion about net neutrality would be very different. Instead we live in the world of ISP monopoly in America, and we need net neutrality to stop this monopoly from fucking us in the ass more than they already are.

>>133448120
This.

Dumbfucks.

>>133448055
>I am deliberately shitposting about something I know nothing about

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>>133447348
>But Muh Free Interwebz
Buy into Goverment Internet. A new arm of the government is created, complete with infrastructure and administration is created to monitor, control and enforce it. Everyone is mandated to get the issued User ID and your connection is faster than you have ever seen it before in your life.

Then you experience an outage. You're local government office will get that straightened out in 4-6 weeks. You go to your phone to bitch about it and get flagged for hate speech.

Enjoy your books.

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>>133448055
>33 posts by this ID

WEW LAD

>>133447376
yfwyr you have it completely backwards. Those kind of actions are what the principles of net neutrality protect against.

The bill being proposed will destroy net neutrality and those will be the norm.

>>133439544
desu

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>>133447969
>It wasn't even a bill passed through Congress though
It was a bill. It was voted on. It passed. I even posted a link to the exact text of the bill, all 400+ pages, in this thread.

>>133448160
Nice arguments. If its that short you could post it here for all of us to see, but you are too dumb to do that and prefer to resort to shitposting.

So I did the same!

>>133447585
So easy right! Might as well start your own business!
Get some satellites and install fiber optic cables underground despite the possibility of your company failing and being out millions trying to compete with the big boys.
No wonder it's so easy to find the perfect ISP these days.

>>133448201
I got baited by literal Tomcast shills for over 15 posts before reinforcements arrived to back me up.

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>>133448120
>Net neutrality is necessary because the American broadband space is effectively monopolized
>Net neutrality is necessary
but is it really?

what if
what if we get rid of the regulations that make those ISPs monopolies?

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>>133447845
>The Government is leaving it as it is
>By giving a federal regulatory agency vague, broad-reaching powers to enforce service and policy standards on ISPs

Hey, do you like apples? Good news, Congress just gave the Federal Apple Commission the power to fine apple orchards that change their apple growing policies. No need to thank us, just keeping apples the way they are through brute regulatory force!

>>133438009
>Be honest: you don't know what 'net neutrality' is because you've never read the bill. I haven't either. But what I do remembe
you started out strong. then fell off a cliff. Shitposter.

>>133448053
>implying

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>>133448290
You're a Commie shill, you just got btfo hard

>>133448120
Your data runs contrary to these maps.
>>133443160

>>133448120
>51% of Americans have access to only one ISP, 38% have access to only 2.
>>133442901
>>133442942
>>133442973
>>133443012
>>133443160
bullshit

>>133448304
>what if we get rid of the regulations that make those ISPs monopolies?
Then it would not be necessary. Good fucking luck considering how many ex-comcast employees are in our government, lobbying, etc.

I don't get it. Why do liberals support net neutrality so much when getting rid of it would fuck folks like us over the most? Besides paying for more internet (which is probably why they're for it, this feels like a pointless question).

>>133447931
Except there are a lot of blocks that major companies and the government hold over other companies starting up. There are a lot of articles out there on this. Ending net neutrality would not automatically make it easier for start ups, but it would increase the interest of customers (IE market demand for varied services). That is the drive a market needs. Without the drive, with government mandating all traffic gets same treatment, the established companies with entrenched lobbies have an even larger advantage in maintaining their status.

>>133448306
your misunderstanding is glaring, and everyone can see it but you.

>>133442201
kekistan

>>133448391
Really, shill.

I guess the FCC is lying then https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

>>133448412
So your solution is throwing more fuel to the fire?
Nice.

>>133448477
those ARE the FCC's maps

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>>133448304
Fuckin-a, what a concept.

>>133438009
I don't want them fucking up the internet. Things are fine as they are.

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What if the people you disagree with aren't shills?

>>133448442
They think the evil white man and his media companies will censor their propaganda, they still seem to think they're the underdog in politics.

>>133448470
If you want to leave something alone, leave it alone. If you want to regulate something, regulate it. But don't do one and call it the other.

>>133448464
>Except there are a lot of blocks that major companies and the government hold over other companies
And that will not change.
>There are a lot of articles out there on this.
Literal propaganda.>>133445047

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>>133448531
oh shit i misclicked lel
meant for this faglord >>133448120

>>133448529
I want to get rid of both, but that will never happen. Comcast and the others will just pay off politicians like they have been doing.

>>133448470
There is no misunderstanding as far as I can see. Care to identify it?

>>133448304
Do that first then revisit the subject. At the moment even Google can't set up as an ISP.

SUPPORT ROAD NEUTRALITY. WHY SHOULD BUSSES BE ALLOWED TO HOG THE HOV LANES. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE MY SUV IN THE HOV LANE WHILE I'M ALONE.

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The Only reason you bunch of shills are against Net Neutrality is because your good emperor nominated the current head of the FCC. stop sucking your god emperors dick already and wake up and smell the dick cheese.

>>133448637
>fascist internet
>kekistani flag
>literal propaganda
>ignores points
>no u levels of response
Unless you have something of substance, I guess we're done.

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>>133438009
I don't give a shit about this topic, and I never will. Call me an ignorant dumbass if you want to, but I seriously don't give a shit about net neutrality, people will complain if they have to actually pay to use a website, especially this one, ads are the aids of the internet, and they will never go away, and neither will net neutrality, the internet will always be free.

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>>133448470
>12 post by this ID

>>133448539
>24 posts by this ID

>>133448529
>25 posts by this ID

>>133448637
And my favorite, a whopping
>37 posts by this ID

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>>133441525
Gonna post examples and arguments to help people get informed

>>133448304
It would take more than just removing restrictions at this point. The NNfags are at least right about that. But they think NN has some magical bullet in it that is going to break up monopolies. They are absolutely fucking retarded and delusional for that part. Most of the telecom infrastructure was built on the public dime before being turned over to private corporations during the "golden age" of reaganomics. A monster was literally created.

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>>133441525
>>133448998

>>133448883
There are many other anons here now for you to argue with. I don't give a fuck who you reply to.

I'm not alone anymore so I don't care. Someone will make my point across if it isn't me.

>>133448932
Make it 38, and I would make them all over again if I had to defend my fucking freedom.

Fuck you, kikes.

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>>133448932
What do you think a discussion looks like?

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>>133441525
>>133449027

>>133448998
>going to blurt out the same copy pasta posts I do in every thread. I swerr I'm totally human you guy.

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>>133441525
>>133449067

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>>133448932
I guess Reddit took it upon themselves to evangelize the rest of the internet

>>133448823
I believe it is important for buses to have more room, but the only reason I am saying this on a Mongolian horticulture site is because I am being paid.

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>>133449058
>discussion

>>133448932
>HEH. I was almost forced to face the fact that my argument is shit but it turns out you guys are contributing lots to the thread.

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>>133448306
Government makes everything better! Let them regulate the Music industry are it is over run by greedy corporate monopolies that make far too much money!

With the speed at which the Government moves, we should be enjoying the fruits of National controlled musical entertainment anytime now...

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>>133448870
Funnily enough, he nominated the same guy who was trying to get the original bill published before the vote.

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>>133448304
The monopoly isn't a result of regulations, it's a result of business practices and realities of the industry. To compete with an upstream ISP, you need to build your own physical infrastructure to do so. This costs millions of dollars. Aside from all the red tape existing companies have put up preventing people with money from laying their own cable, the prohibitive cost is still there preventing competition.

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>>133448680
The maps posted are deliberately misleading since they use the standard of "x or more". Pic related is what it looks like for 1-2, meaning all the green here has at most 2 choices in ISP. The numbers I posted, 51% with 1 ISP choice 38% with 2, come from one of the FCC's 2016 reports. I can't find it now but I believe it was broadband access.

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>>133449071
Gee I wonder what shill with a pirate flag might have noticed me ruining every one of his shitty shill threads.

You and your consensus cracking attempt can kindly get fucked.

>>133449122
Why should private shuttle carriers be allowed to make special deals with the road operators to allow their shuttles on the HOV lanes though? I believe in a free and open freeway.

>tfw I can be openly fucked over by the corporations or be subtlety fucked over by the corporations through bought out government officials

LAND OF THE FREE!

>>133449056
You haven't made any point besides tossing out some lefty words while proclaiming
>muh propaganda

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>>133441525
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>>133449010
It can happen.
It'll happen the one way that current ISPs can't anticipate, new technology.
Google Fiber is on hold because Google is working on their wireless gigabit internet, Google Fi.

However, with an all-encompassing "internet regulation" like NN, it'll guarantee full government control of any new tech.

I was jacking off and John Oliver's show about it was on so I'm qualified to respond. Net Neutrality is a Jewish psyop to promote homosexuality and AIDS.

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>>133438009
((((You))))

>>133449251
I'd rather see the internet be given it's own act. Instead of just throwing it haphazardly to the regulatory wolves, especially since those regulators are all puppets for corporate lobbyists anyways. We're just adding another middle man into the mix in the hope that we get fucked a little slower.

>>133448306
Poor fucking Comcast. Capitalism cannot be allowed to run wild. It needs regulation. Do you not know what the great depression is?

>>133449251
>it'll guarantee full government control of any new tech.
How exactly?
How does "No discriminating against types of internet traffic" translate to "full government control of any new tech"?

>>133449238
I wasn't trying to convince you, but to rally others. I did, it worked. You are a shill, so winning over a kike was never part of my plan.

Your propaganda didn't work, Comcast employee. We shall remain free from your tyranny.

>>133449386
>Instead of just throwing it haphazardly to the regulatory wolves
The fuck do you think new regulations will do?
Remove old ones?
Regulations exist to engender new regulations.

>>133445416
I'd like to see the list

>>133449482
Full government regulance of any medium that may provide an internet connection.

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