>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will

Invest in shares after we have confirmed no sudden drops

>>133368603
>>automation will get rid of all jobs

This is a sci-fi fantasy, not something that's a real possibility.

Morons see McDonald's replacing their cashiers with ipads and think that somehow this can be extrapolated to all human activity. Nope.

>>133368741
>This is a sci-fi fantasy, not something that's a real possibility.
God, I wish I was this naive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQO2PcEW9BY

>>133368741
>Morons see McDonald's replacing their cashiers with ipads and think that somehow this can be extrapolated to all human activity. Nope.
I know you don't know this because you're living with your mommy or on government cheese, but a huge number of people (we're talking tenths of the entire population) do repetitive busywork that is susceptible to automation.

Simpletons think automation can't happen because no machine can do all the 100 menial tasks they do in their daily work. Well, if we automate 90 of them they can lose 80-90% of their workforce. Yes, the pleb/middle class jobs won't be 100% decimated, just 80-90%. As a consultant I've seen the amount of completely pointless work people do in large corporations today... in twenty years, 80% of those jobs will be gone.

On top of that, A LOT of the jobs have already been automated, you just don't see it. I should know, I'm one of the people making it happen.

>society as a whole will collapse
Thank god, this needs to happen sooner

WHY ARE WE IMPORTING MORE UNSKILLED IMMIGRANTS WHEN THEY'LL BE THE FIRST TO HAVE THEIR JOBS AUTOMATED?
Our policy makers are braindead.

Are there literally any solutions, or are we fucked? Because the way I see it, this renders every other discussion on this board meaningless. Communism vs. Capitalism, Trump vs. China, whatever.

>>133372693
To drive up consumption and birthrates. It's literally the reason for all the black/muslim & white women shit you see in the media these days. Western countries flood their countries with immigrants because whites don't have enough babies with wages being garbage but blacks and muslims pop them out. You can see the same thing happening in Japan with the exception being that they don't have mass immigration, so their birthrates are collapsing as a consequence.

>>133368603
I agree, however it will be a little slower. The jobs that will be replaced by 2025:
- client support (bots do the first line alraady)
- telemarketing (see client support)
- transportation (tesla and company with automated cars)
- warehouse jobs (ideal non-changing environment for automation, amazon does that to some extend already)
- simple financial jobs (Goldman Sachs lately replaced whole office with only 2 people left)
- cashier jobs (automated spots in big markets, boards to make orders in McDonalds etc.)
- production jobs in mass production (see Baxter as example of multi-purpose robot - give it next 10 years)

And im sure there is more. But those i mentioned is enough to cause big unemployment

>>133373145
The decreased birthrates might be good though if automation occurs, what do you think all formerly employed blacks, Muslims, and immigrants will do when automation hits? They're not just going to disappear.

>>133373145
Yeah and it's stupid. Automation means there is no more dependancy between population and consumption. Also these goods can be sold to non-advanced countries since they will be high-quality and cheap.

>>133373469
>production jobs in mass production

they are already heavily automated in most western countries, this only applies to sweat job countries like china.

>>133373469
>- client support (bots do the first line alraady)
And clients hate when they are put against answering machine. This is not automation. This is "do it yourself fuck you" solution.

Complete automation with 100% unemployment is the goal, anon.

People should just have a nice comfy place to live and all the food and entertainment they want while only doing things that require effort if they feel like doing it and robots should take care of literally everything else.

If you don't think this is what we as a species has been working toward, you are fucking deluded.

>>133368603
>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket

No, it will create many low paying jobs that require less training and education.

>>133371389
Unfortunately the people that ruined society will be the ones that benefit from this. They will eventually kill themselves though.

>>133368603
We should have listened to Ted Kaczynski.

>>133368603
lol, every job that a robot takes will create one job too! The people who lost their jobs will all become robot repairmen! Its economics 101!

>>133373995
Once all the challenge in life is removed we will stagnate, Utopia will never exist. You ever read about that experiment where the mice wear given an overabundance of everything they needed?

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>>133368603
>TFW we are creating the men of iron who will unsurprisingly betray us

Who cares, I was sick of paying taxes to a corrupt, ineffective, government anyway.
I wish the fire would just rise already damnit.

>>133368603
AI are racist so this will be the beginning of the true golden age of the white race.

>>133373919
>133373919
Even when you have humans behind support they will respond using predefined templates. Not much a diffrence.

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>>133368603

>robot soldiers that can be produced and shoot, survive and police more effectively that any modern soldier will render the second amendment meaningless

So you're saying its time to stock up on .50 Cal?

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>>133368603
It's like you're too poor for a Blackwater Prime subscription

>>133368603
Robots aren't going to be replacing everything. The easy, repetitive, simply jobs like driving taxis or cleaning up houses will be replaced, putting idiotic people without any real education into unemployment, whereas people with greater educations won't be replaced, such as scientists and engineers, who require free-thought and creativity to be useful. Moral of the story: natural selection will kill off the idiots who can't do shit, and favor the people who put effort into their studying and got good jobs.

>>133370080
>>133371302

Sorry kids, but Star Trek isn't real life. You can't magically replace everything with a machine simply by invoking a bunch of silly buzzwords like "AI" (which doesn't exist in the way you think it does) and "busywork" (which in the real world is called valuable economic activity - or did you actually think that most people are doing tasks of no consequence, for free money that comes from nowhere?).

All of this childish posturing is wiped away in an instant once you realize that eliminating one job creates opportunities for others. How anyone living in a post-industrial-revolution society can argue that more machines mean a worse existence for anyone is beyond me - the whole reason you have such a cushy life today is because we figured out how to automate lots of things in the past. The fact that you get to spend 90% of your time crying about robots on the internet instead of competing with other animals for food and shelter should be a clue.

I also don't hear any solutions for this "problem". Is that because you know, deep down, that it's all bullshit? You're really only interested in pretending to be deep and philosophical to an anonymous stranger on the internet for two or three minutes at a time, not actually tackling an issue that you claim will bring ruin to your life and billions of others.

>>133370080
We will invent neural lace and trans-humanism before AI get's to our level.

>everything gets automated aside from things like teachers and psychologists
>STEM is a literal meme
Get fucked, STEMcucks

>>133374901
Its always time to stock up on .50 cal rounds

>>133368603
>robots are immune to bullets

>>133368741
Automation is going to completely annihilate

>transportation
>warehousing
>manufacturing
>accounting
>data entry
>law research and contracts
>shelf stacking
>checkout chicking
>burger making
>security
>carpentry
>most types of construction, especially homes and industrial sheds.
>tutoring
>mining
>farming esp. fruit picking.
>cleaning

10s of millions of people will be unemployable within 30 years.

>>133376335
This.

Also there are other scientific fields focused on improving humans.

>>133368603
>automation will get rid of all jobs and unemployment will skyrocket
This is fucking retarded.

>>133374901
EXPLOSIVE .50 Cal should do the trick.
https://youtu.be/CLFYvG6MsZU?t=4m1s
>>133375301
I believe they are called ACADEMI now.
>>133376491
https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/
You might want to search some more good sir.

Build your own robots to fight back you cowardly kike.

>>133368603
daily reminder that there is unlimited demand and keynesians are retarded

>>133376335
>Sorry kids, but Star Trek isn't real life.
I'm a software eng who automates other people's work away for a living. What's your background? Because you sound just like the truck/cab/bus drivers who are in full-blown denial mode.

>"busywork" (which in the real world is called valuable economic activity...)
Yes. What I said was
>busywork that is susceptible to automation
>that is susceptible to automation
but you chose to just pick up that one word and not address the issue at all. Again, you sound like you're in denial.

>All of this childish posturing is wiped away in an instant once you realize that eliminating one job creates opportunities for others.
At a ratio of 10:1 at best. I've built systems that had one goal, and only one: make people doing peasant-tier "specialized" office busywork completely useless. You'd think a sysadmin got a job there? No, you automate it to a point where it runs in the cloud and the job turns into a 0.01 day job for a poo eng on either coast.

>The fact that you get to spend 90% of your time crying about robots on the internet instead of competing with other animals for food and shelter should be a clue.
>hurr, it worked so well so far
Now you're just talking out of your ass. The death rattles of the capitalist system have already begun.

>I also don't hear any solutions for this "problem". Is that because you know, deep down, that it's all bullshit?
You don't hear them because they don't exist. What do you do when >50% of the population is ineligible for any job available due to their complexity? You get this massive underclass who become NEETs, and a minority who get ultra rich. It's going to get rough.

>You're really only interested in pretending to be deep and philosophical to an anonymous stranger on the internet for two or three minutes at a time, not actually tackling an issue that you claim will bring ruin to your life and billions of others.
This is simply nonsense, a long-winded sentences add up to nothing.

Somebody has to take care of the robots

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you will never get to have that grade of automation.
earth will revert to chasing worms under tree barks.

When robots can wipe your great grandpas ass civilization wont need houses and colleges to create debt slaves to keep the system intact to care for the retired.

>>133377609
So what do you think is going to happen? Mass automation leading to mass poverty/ suicides/ descent into chaos?

Serious question. I'm a NEET so I'm fucked regardless of what happens.

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>>133368603
Maybe that anti technological movement will happen after all. I wonder how the bottom and middle class will react to starving to death..

>>133376335
The US labor market is tight as it is. What new jobs will the millions of people in
>transportation
>retail
>manufacturing
>data entry
>fast food
etc

Do as their new job. I always hear that new jobs will be created. But what are these new jobs? Robot repair man? How are the millions of <85 IQ people who are working retail or driving trucks going to learn to fix robots.

The lowest IQ block will be totally unemployable.

>>133371302
How long do you think it will be until your job is also gone?

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>>133368603
>Is there even a solution to this
Socialism.

If human labor is obsolete then the concept of earning one's place in society is meaningless, best case scenario is a UBI with people earning money for luxuries through free market sale of entertainment and ideas.

>>133374293
THE FINAL FRONTIER MOFO, we have to send people into space to survive

>>133373648
low iq subhumans are way easier to dominate and manipulate than whites.
they won't be able to mount an effective resistance to the elites.

>>133376491
lmao, you can't possibly be this delusional.

>>133378222
Checked the digits.

>Mass automation leading to mass poverty/ suicides/ descent into chaos?
Essentially yes. Unlike ever before, whether you can provide anything of value to society will have an ever rising IQ requirement. Those who can automate things become increasingly valuable and those whose jobs are to be automated become useless. Turns out high IQ people rarely do highly repetitive work that can be fairly trivially automated.

It has already started, it creeps up slowly, but it will create a new underclass. First we will think they're just stupid and/or lazy, but soon there's going to be a lot of them. Sure, some will go on and thrive as artists and whatever utopian function they wish to fulfill, but it's a tiny minority.

Do you know what happens to a western society where there is low social mobility, high income gap and the people are mixed together? Look at the ghettos and you have your answer. Men become hyper-aggressive and turn to violence and crime, and surely for a reason.

>>133378804
Who said it had to be effective? Damages will occur regardless.

>>133376335
I work in the AI sector.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Gen-purpose AI is well on its way to mass market viability, chatbots in focused verticals are nearly flawless, and the amount of industries and positions we are looking to replace are absolutely unprecedented.

You're correct that these systems require upkeep and configuration but these systems are typically cloud-based (meaning they don't actually add technician jobs until new centers need to be built and the jobs lost:created ratio is bananas) and a team of maybe 3-4 people configuring a system that will replace thousands upon thousands of jobs is not sustainable.

This isn't just a repeat of industrialization, this is something entirely new.

>>133375966
High iq people will be safe for a couple of years, until even they are no longer necessary.
Why would you think the progression would just magically stop before it takes your job?

>>133378523
No, the best case scenario is that the masses of unemployed be allowed to starve to death with only the most intelligent and useful among us surviving and holding the few jobs available. If you want to be humane with the excess you could sterilize them or implement a 1 child policy while continuing to feed and give housing but why prolong the suffering? There is no reason to have near 8 billion people on this planet, we do nothing but pollute and consume limited resources.

>>133378864
Sorry, meant to reply to
>>133376335

>>133378507
That depends on what specialization I will go for. I think I'll be among the last 10-15% to go before the AI guys and actual scientists. I'd say by the time my job is gone, so will the our society as we know it (for better or worse).

>>133378995
Wait.... So we WON'T be able to enhance ourselves before AI takes over?
>>133378960
Those are BLACK ghettos though. How will the white ghettos do though? I actually want to know.

>>133379265
You seem to think whatever job you have in STEM is immune from AI automation.

You are sorely sorely mistaken.

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>>133379175
Even then, there will be many high IQ people left in the dirt simply by circumstance or lack of pedigree. Only the lucky ones survive, it's that simple.

>>133379394
>enhance ourselves
in what way?

Progress on prosthetics is quite advanced at this point but we're still pretty far from understanding the brain. In all likelihood it will be conclusions reached by neural nets (if not a proper sophisticated AI) that gives us the understanding to enhance our minds.

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>>133379394
>Those are BLACK ghettos though. How will the white ghettos do though? I actually want to know.
I don't know, but it's not going to be nice. What I do know is that it's not the kind of society I want to live in, even if my family and I are on the right side of the fence.
>pic semi-related

>>133379523
Don't assume that I think of myself as one of the lucky ones.

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>>133379708
The thing is that white people will be smart enough to realize that if they just band together they can overtake the other side of the fence.

Will automation ultimately be the end of capitalism?

I, for one, hope robots one day overtake us and allow us to live in peace under their [literal] iron fist a la I, Robot.

>>133379677
>In all likelihood it will be conclusions reached by neural nets (if not a proper sophisticated AI) that gives us the understanding to enhance our minds.
Except if you read the papers written on neural nets today, you'll find out we don't know what the fuck they're doing. We just tweak the parameters until we get something interesting, write a paper on it, and pass the results along. So good luck with that.

>tl;dr the research on neural nets has already reached a point where we know it works but we can't quantitatively explain how

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>>133379899
Capitalism works in a society where you can easily prove your value by your skill at a certain labour, and thus be reimbursed for your work. That is already dissipating, and in a world where no one can have a labour of worth besides in the entertainment industry, it will likely be a moot system. You can't tell someone to get a job that isn't there, then kick them in the ass for not having one.

>>133379708

>every now and then get linked to that 'late stage capitalism' r*ddit
>this is the image on their banner
>they fail to realize this is a socialist country

>>133368603
If a robot replaces your job in 2020...
A tractor would have replaced your job in 1960
A wheel would have replaced your job in 1000 b.c
Dont be a horse or a skid.

>>133380171
the irony is that a lot of people will have to die to stabilize the situation. and these NWO fuckers still send foreign aid. is that some kind of tactic to cull the herd ?

>>133379394
Ever hear of White Appalachia?

http://archive.is/igIxa

>>133380097
>Except if you read the papers written on neural nets today, you'll find out we don't know what the fuck they're doing
Yes, I know. That's why it's likely that research aided by neural nets is likely to produce viable information on brain function faster than traditional research.

Current neural nets can do some amazing things in finding patterns humans can neither find nor understand. If you read about the use of neural nets in scanning MRI's and such for diagnosis the accuracy on things you would think would be totally unrelated are remarkable.

>>133368603
>society as a whole will collapse
It wont, society will be divided into two groups, the have and the have not.
In the past, when peasants was shit and virtually property of the nobles. It was because a small professional army could easily defeat an army of peasants ten times its size. The army was primarily noble men in expensive suits of armor, whom had done nothing else in there life than practicing war.
Later on, with the invention of crossbows, longbows and guns. Peasants military value increased, the peasants got more rights.
Modern warfare, have further increased the value of the peasant, think of Afghanistan or Vietnam, nothing but illiterate peasant with machine guns and yet they proved to be a fairly strong.

Now the tide are turning, with the emergence of drones and automated warfare. There is a shift in the balance of power, between the "nobles" and the "peasants".
It will no longer be necessary to have a mandate of the people to be in charge. The many will in a near future not be able to touch the few.
I think we will see a division in our society, one rich and prosperous society that holds the military might. And one poor and crime ritten society, that hold no power.

>>133379879
So hyper-violence and crime it is. As I said, not something I want to see regardless of the side of the fence I am on.

>>133380232
It's a country with rampant corruption. That's the headline. I love it how you focus on nothing relevant though.

>stupid people's jobs are replaced
>welfare keeps them afloat for a while
>the smart ones find some way of generating income
>the poor ones starve to death
>overpopulation looms
>welfare is eventually eliminated due to resources running out
>armies are privatised
>the 'great rebellion' is crushed
>humanity prospers with only the most capable and competent leading it to the stars
can't wait senpai

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>>133380232
Take a look at Flint,MI for an example of how things such as that show up in a vehemently capitalist society. The pic he posted is due to corruption in the system, not necessarily job issues, but they do exist and contribute to the division of wealth.

>>133378984
you give subhumans too much credit. damages won't occur; 99% of the subhumans will kowtow. they'll happily accept ubi and spend their monthly gibs instead of rebelling. bread and circus, m8.
the elites will also sponsor a controlled opposition movement that will honeypot any of the subhumans who do decide to go rogue. think emmanuel goldstein from 1984.
that's what i mean when i say the subhumans won't mount an effective resistance.

>>133368603
>will automation really be the end of civilisation as we know it?
I hope so. Working sucks.

>>133379677
So.... We are totally fucked?
>>133379708
Well shit. Hopefully it turns into a "people to space" type society instead of a "Mega City 1" then.
>>133379879
If they are willing to face all the drones and Academi Prime subscriptions.
>>133380411
It's not a violent shit-hole. That's a relief.

>>133372745
Social credit.

>>133380703
There will be a point when going on a raid to the next town over for food medicine and weapons will seem like work desu.

>>133380450
Pretty much sums up my feelings on it, except I also believe that once automation renders all of the "have nots" labor redundant, that the "haves" are going to genocide us all, probably with some combination of engineered plague followed by a drone army to sweep up the survivors. No sense in supporting a resource drain if you don't need them, after all.

>>133379879
and it's "lucky" we are a minority, we won't have to kill many of our own to survive. I think so at least

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>>133380386
Automation is still a long way off in third world countries. It may actually be better to move to them than stay in the limbo period that will be arising in many western nations. I sometimes have to remind myself that our shoes are still made by a person and not by an automated assembly line sometimes.

Hell, if enough intelligent white people go to those countries and won't put up with the shitty conditions then they could actually enact some forceful change. However the fact remains that this generation has the least hope for the future of any in history, and it can only get worse in the long run. Perhaps things will sort themselves out, but currently the only solution I see is space colonization FAST.

>>133380274
There is an end of the line you know kiddo

>>133380885
>There will be a point when going on a raid to the next town over for food medicine and weapons will seem like work desu.
Why would you do that when we have full robotic automation making more food, goods and services than we could ever hope to consume?

>>133380423
>That's why it's likely that research aided by neural nets is likely to produce viable information on brain function faster than traditional research.
I'm somewhat skeptical whether we'll be able to understand what it'll produce.

>Current neural nets can do some amazing things in finding patterns humans can neither find nor understand.
I've seen some of that stuff and I genuinely believe we're dabbling in something profound. With enough seed data, some of them can imitate creativity where (to my mind) it's indistinguishable from the real deal. And it's not just arts and medicine neural networks can help us with. Some structural/material engineers use them generate optimal structural patterns for things like bridges and airplane parts.

It's not AI, sure, but it's getting to the point where it can emulate "creative thought" in a given context. This is yuge.

>>133380874
Well mostly because whites even if trailer trash do not burn down their own society. There will be domestic violence cases, but there would not be outright bullshit like what happened in LA or Ferguson.

>>133380885
>Implying that one will get tired of riding around in a technical.
>Implying that we won't just target the spics and blacks.
>Implying that none of us have ever wanted to fight alongside rooftop Koreans.

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>>133381041
source on that pic?

Automation is two things. The first is the excuse of people who can't get a job. The second is the fantasy of nerds who talk about how machines will replace everyone in a job, apart from them of course.

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>>133368603
>robot soldiers that can be produced and shoot, survive and police more effectively that any modern soldier will render the second amendment meaningless

nigger please. Implying AI will advance any furthur. Videogame AI is dumb as shit and thats an AI confined to a tiny world. Imagine an AI applied to a world with near INFINITE variables and your little AI is reduced to getting stuck in corners or falling down uneven stairs.

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>>133381144
It won't be given to us. It's for (((Them))). Can't have you getting food you didn't work for. "What do you mean there's no work? Just look harder."

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>>133381041
I think quite the opposite, the west will need a lot of soldiers to man the borders, well until the soldiers are replaced by drones. China or India will be the first to go. too many people doing jobs that can easily be automated. I read somewher that Apple is building a factory in the USA, heavily automated ofc

>>133381292
So the race war is finally upon us.

>>133381334
Image search brings up Mai Chans Daily Life.

>>133381391
dumbfuck, give it time. shit doesn't happen overnight.

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>>133380874
It's the transition that'll be scary/volatile, it's where we have to beat the final boss: the bankers.

Once that's over (we'll probably have some fucked up 1984-tier fascism for a few decades before that shit collapses), we're either back in the stone age or on our way to build
>pic related

I don't see any realistic alternative.

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>>133381452
I'm talking places like Vietnam and other such locales. India and China are second world countries.

>>133373469
Maintenance jobs, especially high tech maintenance will be needed for the foreseeable future, meaning there will always be need for people to fix things until we get to the point of such advanced tech that the things working are able to self repair, but I don't see that happening for a long while.

>>133368603
>Is there even a solution to this, or will automation really be the end of civilisation as we know it?
it's not too good for us that is clear

and even if there exists a way to make it beneficial to mankind, it happens too quickly ,and we are not intelligent or moral enough to make it work

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>>133381517
>Mai Chans Daily Life.
looks like a bunch of satanic shit ;-;

>>133380538
>the poor ones starve to death
revolution and bloodbath will come first. they will form a mob and kill every middle class white guy.

>>133380544
>Take a look at Flint,MI

>a state run by niggers
>capitalism

>>133381391
Videogame "ai" has made incredible progress since its origination.

>>133381391
What stupid logic you have

>>133381681
2nd world for a small amount of population I'm afraid and 1st world for a select few. fact is, they have too many people and when their middle class is automated away there will be a lot of angry chinks.

>>133380561
You give them too little, a cop shoots a black man and they burn down their own town, this is what happens today. One "injustice" against them can cause a mass riot.

>>133381568
shit has limits ass wipe. Look at guns. we've had them for 500 years and they still use bullets, use powder, make a lot of noise. Shit has its limits. why the fuck dont cars fly? AI will NOT advance much furthur . screen cap this

>>133378250

None of those jobs existed before past advancements in automation happened. Just think about this for five seconds, would you?

Everything that surrounds you today is the result of humans figuring out how to create more using less labor, and this trend is going to continue forever. If it turns out that we can somehow make robots do every single task in existence, the fact that we don't have to do those things anymore will open the possibility for us to do other things.

I'll give you a simple example: How much time do you spend each day looking for, preparing, and consuming food? For me, it's probably about two or three hours total, and that's just because I like to take my time and cook. Before we invented things like farming and kitchen appliances and many many other little automated incremental improvements in our food production process, you'd need to spend something like 90% of your waking hours locating food, let alone consuming it (which you would be doing at the same time as looking for it because you would have literally no time to stop and eat), and it was shit food because it was just whatever you found on the ground or inside of whichever animal was too dumb to avoid you. Now I can prepare any meal I can imagine within an hour using nothing more than the stuff I find in my kitchen and down at the grocery store on the corner, which frees me up to do other things like read the news or have a job which makes the things that other people use to save even more time.

Automation *creates* opportunities, it does not *eliminate* them. Small farms used to require whole families to run. Now huge farms require a few people and some machines. The result? We have more big farms, which makes more food, which means we can have things like grocery stores and microwaves, etc, etc, ad infinitum...

Really, I don't understand what is so difficult about this concept. What I'm talking about here is evident in the lives of every single person alive today.

>>133368741
totally not possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c

As an Australian I'm concerned that there will soon be an ai that will shitpost a hundred times better than any Aussie or leaf combined.

>>133381404
This. Its for the people who deserve it in their opinion.

>>133381911
why is it stupid my man? everyone of you niggers has a raging boner for technology

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wrong

robots will need maint and designer and programmer
everyone very high paid
women wotn be able to ahve kid and make other pay
fewer happier people

>>133381391
What shitty game were you playing? I remember MGS 3 being quite good when it came to AI. And that was back in 04.
>>133381472
Took us long enough.
>>133381663
That sucks. Will space colonies exist by then?

>>133381963
You just gave me a paragraph about how food production has increased.

What jobs will the low IQ parts of the population work after the automation revolution?

>>133381962
And this is what your typical stupid inbred uneducated American sounds like /pol/

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>>133381663
The bankers are the biggest issue we face. If their reign of power can be ended we can be on our way to finding our way around our world without their subversion. Many of the worlds glaring issues can be traced back to them in some form or another.

>>133381962
I think you are underestimating humanity shithead. cars fly because there it's not cost effective. AI is and will be cost effective. it doesn't eat,shit, piss or drink and it especially doesn't beg for gibs all the time. COST-EFFECTIVE.

>>133382177

nah man. eventually they can repair and reprogram themselves. that's where this is all leading to.

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>>133381962
>What is Gauss
>American education
Fuck this gay ass country, or at least what it has become.

>>133382177
Yes, and how many people out of a hundred white people can become such programmers and designers? The IQ distribution sets a hard limit to <30% of the population, and that's a conservative estimate.

This is exactly what we're talking about here. Read the thread before posting.

>>133381939
yes, they burn down their OWN town, they burn down stores owned by fellow subhumans, they destroy their own property, and create terrible economic and living conditions for themselves. they didn't do anything to the elites, or the cop who killed one of their own. how does this damage the elites in charge?
they are simpleminded subhumans.

It sounds like with all these people out of work we will see them increasingly turn to religion or ideology to give meaning to their lives.

>>133370080
AI is going to change everything in ways we cant even imagin.
Not skynet, but weak AI that is super human in the way it can brute force designs of systems, materials, and structures in outside the box ways we never thought of.
That is not even scratching the surface of how things are about to change. And again this is just weak AI.
We will reach general level artificial intelligence and its ability to improve upon its self will create even more powerful AI and so on.
Dont think of it is super smart robots, but a server bank somewhere pouring thru data.
This will happen the only question is when and if we survive it by aligning its goals with ours.

>>133382264
Before? Probably not.
>IT'S HABBENING RELADIVLY SOON :D:D
Seriously, this is happening within our lifetime.

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>>133382566
Even then only about half of those high IQ people will be allowed in positions to get those jobs. You have at best 15% of the regular population allowed the courtesy to work for a living.

>>133382537
that's what you get when you mess with communism

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>>133368603
I can believe automation of jobs but robot soldiers are the biggest pipe dream ever. the amount of time it would take just to develop a threat assessment system that could rival the human brain is extreme. and that's only the first step. making a robot soldier that could survive fire from modern weapons would be extremely difficult too, because robots tend to come apart at the seams after losing a few parts/systems because they aren't autonomous enough to know how to operate while damaged. humans will always be the main operator in warfare. the closest we will ever get to robot soldiers are semi-autonomous drones and remote controlled systems

>>133368603
technology can be hacked or jammed tho...in the future us shut ins will be the new cyber resistance and will FINALLY get laid!

>>133368603
yeah right anon, just like how virtual reality was gonna be mainstream and cheap enough for the average family to buy by the year 2001, are here we are, those motherfuckers cost 900 bucks and its basically nothing but tech demos and min gimmicky games.

what about flying cars back in the 80s?

>>133382327
Exactly right. Until we have
>A) the capability of rendering scarcity as an idea obsolete (this requires free energy)
or
>B) a global economic meltdown
we're pretty much stuck in limbo.

>>133382980
>come apart at the seams after losing a few parts/systems because they aren't autonomous enough to know how to operate while damaged.
And humans are any different?

>>133373995
You do realise we have achieved place to live + clean water + food about 100 years ago, starting from the industrial revolution and then with wealth being more democratically distributed (as unfair as it was).
The net result was to move the goalposts, people now decided safety and substenance weren't enough and central heating, electricity and entertainment were needs, not wants.
Each generation has more (even millenials get internet and smartphones), and wants more as a result. If you don't provide a challenge, people create one for themselves. We are meant to struggle. This is the essence of natural selection, something that is programmmed in our biology.

>>133383168
WHITE MAN TO THE RESCUE!

>>133383168
I hope those AI scientists are working on an AI that can crack the problem of free energy.

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Life is full of contingency. Even dumb humans are better than this at contingency.

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>>133370080
There will be never a true AI.

>>133383035
http://www.androidlovedolls.com/sex-robot-doll-jessica/
>>133383086
If you can afford a smartphone you can afford VR. Stuff is gimmicky as hell though.
>>133383168
Fusion or a Dyson Swarm. These might be able to provide that.
>>133383174
We are actually worse.

>>133382811
Pretty much, yeah. Moreover, it'll be a question who will be willing to sell out on their fellow citizens for the good life and to maintain the systems of control. But then again, this is conjecture of a fictional world that doesn't even exist yet. All this might end in a global pandemic caused by a bunch of psychopaths who just hate life itself.

>>133377022
That is not going to happen

>>133383174
a person can (usually) shoot a gun, call for help or crawl behind cover after getting shot in the knee, a robot can't

>>133368603
The thing about robots is they can only do what they are programmed to do and can only react to things they are programmed to react to.
So while robot soldiers and police may seem like a great idea on the surface, they will be easy to exploit by finding holes in their programming and doing things that they literally cant react to. Even if we put robot soldiers on the feild they will need human partners or risk being exploited. The movie your image is from, chappy, shows this several timed.

In conclusion OP is a dumb faggot who lives in a fantasy world

>>133383613
>If you can afford a smartphone you can afford VR.
not the good kind, you need top of the line shit to play some of the latest games(demos)

>>133368603
When humans are obsolete what will humans do?!

>>133368603
>Is there even a solution to this, or will automation really be the end of civilisation as we know it?

If history is our guide, automation will be the beginning of civilization as we know it.

>>133383613
>Stuff is gimmicky as hell though.
I believe that we're on the same horizon for VR that we were with Smartphones when Apple popularized them with their iPhones in 2007. Compare smartphones then to the utter capabilities of them now (both good and bad) I expect VR to come a long way in the next 10 years, much the same as smartphones have.

>>133383201
"Natural selection" is when a nigger kills another nigger in africa for a coconut. Civilization is an entity that was created to perform artificial selection of the best warriors, craftsmen, traders, etc...

>>133383752
Good by 1990's early 2000's standards at least.
>>133383919
I hope that will happen.

>>133383849
PHILOSOPHY AND BODYBUILDING. just like the ancients

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>>133368603
SKY NET huh? HahahhHHHHHHHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>133384057
And boipussy

>>133368603
man becomes machine
machine becomes man

>>133383368
Nah, the cult of Google are trying to get us to singularity. It'll be used to control the people in perceivable ways way before it gets to free energy.

>>133383613
Perhaps. I'm thinking the real revolution for humanity will be the ability to produce mass-produce matter out of energy. An era of unlimited potential will/would begin.

>>133383919
I've been hearing people say this for too long to be optimistic at all about VR. It's starting to look a lot like nuclear fusion: we're on the verge of that critical breakthrough, and we're always going to be on the verge of that critical breakthrough.

>>133384221
well, I hope we will genetic mods by then. It will be a sight to see

>>133368603
robots will produce things
nobody has money to buy
kek

>>133384002
>I hope that will happen.
I hope so too, but I also don't. I'd be utterly fascinated by the tremendous new novelty of it, but you'd be naive to think that it wouldn't just utterly decimate social customs and relations. I can foresee it already as being the new digital opiate. If you think smartphones have destroyed sociability in us, wait until VR.

>>133384388
I see what you're saying, but I think the difference here is that VR, unlike nuclear fusion energy, is a novelty to humans. It's something cool and fun in the minds of most. Energy production is only interesting to a fraction of a fraction of the population. VR will be propelled by industry giants who wield the power of the masses interests. VR, like Smartphones and "apps" grab interests of many people, and thus it will be held aloft in the public mind more often and have more people working on it or funding it.

>>133384388
Fusion is a meme because they try to reproduce what the sun is doing,but the sun is not what they belive it to be.

>>133376335
You think you can just wave it away that easily? You've provided nothing but opinions and ad hominem.

The retail industry will be annihilated by automation. If we even bother to stick with physical stores instead of a lesser number of private facilities with immediate delivery, most of the jobs in stores could easily be automated. A single robot arm on each two-sided aisle wall could unpack products in plain, durable, reusable cases printed with qr codes carried by automated pallet jacks that unload the cases from automated semi trucks. At that point you've already replaced around 3/4 of the average store staff. No one needs to recover, detail, count inventory, downstock, or stock.

Checkout and bagging can easily be automated, and customer questions can be handled as easily as having each product have an info page and putting a computerized sign at each end of the main body of aisles with a self-updating map of the sections and displays in the store. It would be an expensive single purchase but it's cheaper than employees and this is all stuff that a single autist could build in their garage. At that point you'd just have to have a couple people on staff for complex customer questions and to make sure everything runs smoothly. They wouldn't need an engineering degree or some shit either, it's not like the company can't make manuals for their own machines with maintenance and operation instructions.

There's no reason we couldn't have this technology implemented right now, it's just that companies don't have the balls to be the first to do it and many people don't understand how truly easy and inexpensive it could be. There's too many technological illiterates holding everyone else back.

>>133368603
UBI, otherwise no one can buy into any sectors of thr economy collapsing the economy.

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>>133377022
Glad I'm in IT then

IDK about the robot soldiers thing

>Sending a robot worth millions to the battlefield.
vs
>Sending a meat bag worth 20k a year.

Robots will make great snipers tho

>>133368603
Robot surgeons soon tbqh imo

>>133385462
Don't let your guard down so easily, man. I'm also in IT but you should be aware that companies like Cisco are already trying their hand in automating and "virtualizing" everything they do already, making it manageable centrally and easily by fewer entities. They're attempting to implement software defined networking which would get rid of the physical equipment by a ton and allow much faster and easier propagation of configuration across the whole network topology.

Trust me, even IT isn't safe from automation and virtualization. However the advantage we have over others is that we can adapt much easier and move around more and transfer our skillsets to different ones easier.

Just be wary man.

>>133382282
>What jobs will the low IQ parts of the population work after the automation revolution?

Ones that haven't been invented yet. Or even the same job, but at a greatly expanded capacity.

If 1 data entry person today does the same total work of 100 people working with a pencil and a filing cabinet, that means you now have those 99 people who can do other things, including - get this - the same job as that 1 person, because it's actually beneficial to have 100 people each doing 100x the work instead of just 1 person doing all of their work while 99 people sit around doing nothing. Now suddenly with the same work force doing the same thing, your data entry cost is 1,000x cheaper, which has a ripple-like effect and decreases the cost of doing other kinds of tasks in other kinds of industries, which creates more jobs.

I forget the exact figures (I read this in a thread the other day), but after the automatic textile loom was invented, the English did a little study to see what impact it had had on the textile industry. What they discovered was that prior to the loom, they had something like 27,000 textile workers. Almost three decades later, after the loom had made the cost of making textiles incredibly cheap because it could be run all the time by unskilled workers, the amount of people employed had grown to over 300,000. And that's just 1 industry, benefitting from 1 invention.

All you have to do here is take it one step further and imagine a world where the average person can earn even more money doing even less than they already do. This progression is only what we've been doing for all of human history so frankly it's bizarre that anyone is confused by any of this.

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>>133374392
The Imperium can't come soon enough.

>>133368603
Meaningless? 2nd Amendment? Wew lad.

Omg policing got more effective so fuck your hobby.

The 2nd amendment should mean I get to possess an armed robot army.

>>133368603
Either we'll build communism where people will get stuff regerdless if they work or not or (((they))) will just wipe out the extra people. I bet on the latter.

>>133374392
PURGE

>>133383700

It will. Stop trolling.

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>>133368603
Theres a solution goverment jobs, focusing on the non materalistic parts of society, like (((social work)))

>>133382900

>slav teenager pretending to be smart

come back in 8 years when you've lived a little.
every time someone starts a self driving truck thread or a robot soldier thread I get called retard and stupid but keep it up bitches-- these threads have been popping up since back in the day and this old fag will continue to say all of you are full of shit. go outside, look around, get some sunshine

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>>133385636
now aside from the obvious overspending because of MIC, do you know how expensive, and just downright hard it is to train a modern soldier? the marines spend millions on every single recruit. factor in the life expense of that recruit. the experiences needed that only happen to a percentage of people that will make them good soldiers, robots are far, far cheaper. In our life time, with processing power doubling all the time and computer components being easier and easier to make. by the time i'm 50, (29 years and a bit) I expect robotic soldiers a la elysium to be the standard. sure threat assessment, quick reaction may be difficult now, but give it time. the robots may never be as smart as us, quite as clever, or tactically minded. but once we have the power sources to make robots viable in the field. the sheer toughness and ease of manufacture will overwhelm human intelligence. quick thoughts are only worth so much when you have to dump a magazine of .308 into a single enemy to keep them down.

>>133368603
The only reason this is bad is because the richest people can take control of the world without needing to give a shit about the masses.

Right now the elite still needs the masses to be calm, to be somewhat productive etc.

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do people on /pol/ really think automation will be a bad thing in the long run? there are tons of other technologies that will advance along with and because of AI and robotics, as less people have jobs we will probably add a universal basic income or negative income tax, governments will eventually be direct democracies or liquid democracies or something similar made possible by AI being able to be an unbiased middle man, as we introduce vertical farming as a common thing food will get cheaper to the point of everyone being able to get it for free, power will be free as soon as we make fusion power a reality, once we start exploring space we can start asteroid mining and metals will become silly cheap, more and more things will progress as we get AI and robotics, humans will have all the free time in the world to do whatever they WANT to do rather than being forced to take whatever jobs they are qualified for and make enough money, eventually virtual reality will become indistinguishable from reality and most people will probably live in vr most of their lives doing whatever they want or exploring space or spending all the time they want on their favorite hobbies, as we colonize space we wont need to worry about overpopulation and we will be able to extend human lifespans indefinitely, AI and robotics are a blessing not a curse, anyone who sees them taking over the world and killing us all has watched too many sci fi movies and hasnt actually done enough research into these fields, the future is bright

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One one hand, automation and robots will kill off a lot of jobs.
On the other hand, we'll be able to program robots to identify blacks and rain down Robot 9000 Niggerdeath upon them

>>133386676
cellphones were once sci-fi, but humanity made that shit happen. It's not going to happen overnight but it's going to happen one day.

the real future:
sex robtos perfected
women extermianted along with mintoities and shitheads
no mroe kids unless man wants one
each man billionaire
traps common
plastic surgery pennies

>>133368603
If they don't assign one to every American then it wouldn't negate the 2nd amendment

>create robocop
>best cop evaaaar
>still 6 minute wait for robopig to show up at your murder scene

>>133387020
I think the push back against Reddit spacing is resulting in people abandoning spacing altogether.

>>133368741
mcdonalds "automation" isnt even automation.
its literally getting the customer to order his own shit

>>133374392
40keks

>>133387830
PS thats called automation

dipshit

>>133368603
Georgia Guidestones, bruh

>>133387830
The task of taking an order and completing a transaction, normally performed by a cashier person, has been automated.

>>133387959
no its not.
its cutting out the middleman

>>133388293
its not automated because the customer does it

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I worked in a robotic factory.

Machines break, machines make mistakes. The days of the blue collar baby boomer are gone, yes. You can no longer show up to work hung over and get paid $39.- an hour squeezing the trigger on an impact wrench all day. Factory work is different, the machines will build most of it, the human has to do quality control, and repair the robots when they fuck up, FAST. So the worker has to be alert, and be mechanically inclined, which makes them more difficult to replace. Dumbasses will most likely get killed or maimed in a modern factory.

So if anything the days of the fucking moron are done with, and definitely no future in being a stoner which is a plus. Society won't collapse, just some violent days ahead as the useless are culled.

Personally I sucked at that kind of factory work, I'm good troubleshooting and quality control, but don't do it fast enough. Work in a utility company now and like it a lot more. And the job can't be moved to China.

>>133388301
by automating

>>133388397
basically all u lazy fuks who never learned shit will now 100% have to learn shit

yep

and hopefulyl sucker lik shrink lawyer teacher professor n sociali worker and regulator all careers that are gone

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>>133368603
We need to be like Anno 2205 where people still have a lot of jobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23H6ulF750&ab_channel=UbisoftMusicUBILOUD

>>133371302
This guy is totally legit. No LARP here at all.

>>133383368
Jews want little to no technological advancement they will throw us into a world war so gentile civilization ends

>>133387186
Cellphones were pushed because the spying value

>>133377609
This

Anon, what have you studied and where?

>>133388902
Actually it would be not that bad. I hope africans will survive and in a few thousands years they would build a new civilisation, based on joyful anarchy instead of pragmatism and total control

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>>133384241
This isn't Nier:Autofellatio

>>133388301
>>133388377
No. The cashier worked as a manual interface between the registry, the order queue and the customer. The cashier's effort were required to decode the order for the systems.

The difference between you and the cashier is that you don't need to know how the cash registry or the job queue works, you just need to know what food you want. This is the part that was AUTOMATED.

>>133368603 I doubt they go through the trouble of murdering billions of people. They'll just build fortress cities for the super rich and leave the rest to fuck themselves.

>>133389107
you need to know how to press buttons and swipe your cc which is exactly what the cashier did

>>133389074
Software engineering at Aalto. I'm currently working full-time, studying in my spare time.

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>>133377022
Tfw scaffolding will never be touched by automation for years

>>133389114
They'll stimulate extinction. Excess people will go extinct at their own will, with pleasure.

>>133389242
>you need to know how to press buttons and swipe your cc which is exactly what the cashier did
>cannot into abstraction
By that logic a mathematician is just someone who knows how to scribble shit on a blackboard.
You do realize the cashiers who haven't been automated away don't have big pictures of hamburgers and fries on the cash register, right? The product numbers and all that repetitive shit have been abstracted away so that you don't need to understand the internal structure of the process, just like with the breathing cashier.

BUTLERIAN JIHAD WHEN???

Surgery +medicine will be automated
Milling will be automated
Manufacturing will be automated
Aspects of engineering will be automated
Data collating will be automated
Farming will be automated
aspects of Retail will be automated

>>133390022
The service industry will also be automated.

>>133390328
everything will be at one point or another, literally everything

>>133389300
What do you think about automating electronics engineers? I am currently in that field at tty

>>133390602
Even shitposting?
If so, I'll have nothing left.

>>133390734
well technically creative AI will be able to figure out what its audiance would get most upset about so not only would it be able to shitpost, but it could outshitpost all of 4chan

>>133377609
Thank you for adequately raping that stupid nigger.

>>133386017
The implicit assumption here, that the creation of new forms of work will keep pace with population growth and displacement by automation, is by no means guaranteed.

>>133390602
i dont think research and R&D can be automated, or law and management, certain aspects of the service industry like hotel staff and waiters too.

Then you have certain craftsmen who make their own stuff that people will choose over mass produced products/

>>133386017
Textile workers were much worse off when there were more of them. They were easier to replace and the (((investors))) kept a larger portion of the value of the work. Technology competes against workers in the labor market, always has. You are partially correct that automation can create jobs by adding automation to those very jobs, but it does this by destroying wages.

>>133377022
No way carpentry can be done by robots you dumb colonial nigger

>>133378222
Society will turn we're work is everything if you don't have a job you live outside the wall in.hobp land, you get sick you get sacked. The few jobs in automated will be valuable those without jobs simple perish and fight to love. They won't be educated cause why bother?

>>133390879
At least I'll live to see the Jews get outjewed.

>>133390685
I know enough about EE to say I'm not qualified to fully answer that question, but I imagine the most technical STEM fields are going to be still around when the tipping point is reached.

After that everything is inconsequential.

>>133389778
>comparing a mathematician to mcdonalds cashier
you realise that its a job that supposed to allow anyone to do it even niggers
all mcdonalds did was turn the cashiers around and put pictures on the buttons

>>133389778
He's right, Anon. Nothing was automated, the register just faces the other direction and has a much better interface. If I could speak my order at a machine and hand it a card, that would be automation. What they are doing is making me take my own order, which is not automation, it's an elimination of a service.

>>133390989
law and management are already quite well automated, with all these anti-moneyloundering robots, invoices reconciliation and stuff. Automation will leave less loopholes for breaking the law, less need for lawyers.

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>>133391520
>yfw that flag

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>>133389989
Awesome reference my dude

>>133381802
yes and that's when they send out the killbots.

We've never introduced competition to the marketplace like AI will do. There's one stupid nigger in here comparing AI to the loom, like every dumbshit truck driver on earth is going to have a job sitting in his AI-driven semi listening to the radio or something. The loom was a tool. AI is a tool, too, but unlike the loom, it's also just plain old competition. Competition that, in a couple of decades, will be outperforming humans at even high-level tasks, and doing it practically for free, without ever needing a break. AI won't be a tool to be used by the working class like other inventions have been. It will be a replacement for the working class in a way no invention has ever been.

>>133391492
Thanks anon, one more question though. Can EEs be part of automation process?

>>133391902
>If I could speak my order at a machine and hand it a card, that would be automation.
Technically this is simply not true. From your perspective the system has not changed, only the interface of communication has. In comparison to a human cashier, you do not need any additional knowledge to order your food, which is what you're implying.

>What they are doing is making me take my own order, which is not automation, it's an elimination of a service.
As I said, were this true, you would require the know-how to use the register in a manner anywhere near comparable to a cashier, which you do not.

>>133392780
but he customer does use the register.
when you use the self kiosk you literally input the order and pay the money yourself

>>133392549
No problem. Yes, they can and are. Just learn CE while you're at it, learn how to write software and how operating systems work. Once you're done you can land a sweet, high paying gig working on embedded systems that requires interdisciplinary competencies.

>>133379265
How can one be so wrong.

Automation, robots, etc. have a function merely within the production and consumption of goods and services to the consumers.

Less people means less consumers. Less consumers means less demand for goods and services. Less demand for goods and services means less production. Less production means lots of robots and shit will be unneccessary; they have no function to society.

The only option I can think of in which mass production of goods, services and thus robots would be when humanity is in a permanent state of war.

>>133393006
>but he customer does use the register
No, the customer uses an abstraction layer built on top of the register and order queue systems. The fact that you think it's the register means the designers have effectively made you blind to what either of those systems actually are.

I reiterate for the last time, were there no automation in place, you'd need the technical know-how of how to use the register like the cashiers do. You do not.
>b-b-b-but it's just a new register and no service
No it isn't, you numbnuts, because you the only way to add new items is when the vendor provides the graphics and the backend processing for it. Were you actually using the register, you'd just need to memorize a new number. This is the automated part, you dumbass.

>>133393449
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/less-or-fewer

>>133368603
the automatons will break away into their own bubble of civilization and economy, self sustaining. They will consume our sun for energy much sooner than anyone thinks, within our lifetimes.

Here's a thought:

If automation makes labor obsolete, would not automation also enable us to spend time doing whatever we want? What need is there for money if things progress to that point where money is obsolete?

We trade because we want or need things. Trading would be pretty much obsolete if automated machines can do all the work for us to obtain whatever we need/wanted.

Assuming of course that it comes to the point where the machines can take care of themselves.

I really only see one problem in the end, overpopulation. But if we make it to the point where we can create such highly advanced machines. Surely we would also solve all the accompanying problems (Not enough water, not enough food). Or other geological problems. In this regard solving the light year problem (who the fuck wants to be frozen for thousands or even millions of years, not to mention it would be to late by that point) and proper space exploration in general becomes a necessity, not a afterthought.

>>133394290
> would not automation also enable us to spend time doing whatever we want? What need is there for money if things progress to that point where money is obsolete?
No shit. You're just missing that tiny step between a world that revolves around money and your post-scarcity Utopia. You know, the one that probably leads to revolutions and perhaps the third world war?

>>133394290
i love you

>>133394426
they never said there wont be hurdles in the way, but those hurdles can be minimized by planning for the future (something we dont do well right now)

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>>133378523
NEET in space
Near Earth Extra Terrestrial?

>>133394426
Relax lol, don't vent your frustrations with the other retards on someone just coming into the thread.
I'm assuming you know about stuff like Ethereum, what role do you think it'll play in all this? I could see a solution being that people will start to make a living by sharing the things they own, with the underlying system making it all work being run on Ethereum or something like that.

>>133394621
>but those hurdles can be minimized by planning for the future (something we dont do well right now)
Can we though? Can we spend massive amounts of money to minimize something that will make money itself obsolete and cause the end of the West as we know it?
It sounds like one of those things you're likely to fund only when it's too late, as you have the natural tendency to bury your head in the sand until then. It's not like it's going to be privately funded either.

>>133371302
>As a consultant
You mean unemployable faggot who believes he is smarter than everyone else.

Automation will take over a number of positions, including the job that you want us to believe you do. It will also take over call center jobs, sales positions and so on. As a consultant myself, a real one who specializes in international logistics and not some larping Fin, I do not believe that number to be even close to accurate. You are a fucking moron who is trying way too hard to argue a disproven point.

>>133368603
So go learn programming.

How will android workers afect society structure?

Lets say that you have general pourpose android for a price of current day car. It has limited AI, but eniught for simple small talk. He is agile enough to dig a hole, cut a tree, clean street using broom etc.

He/it can do most simple manual jobs. Will it affect society n specific ways, outside of obvious effect of making many jobs obsolete?

>>133377609
>I'm a software eng who automates other people's work away for a living

So, you are a consultant or code monkey? Again, I am guessing unemployed NEET.

>>133377253
Ah goddamn that feels so goddamn satisfying. I wish I was born in america.

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>>133377609
>The death rattles of the capitalist system have already begun.

There is it. 16 fo sure.

>>133392442
Thinking machines are a cancer upon mankind.

>>133394856
I knew someone was going to call me on that.

Sure, I've read about it. I think there's a good chance that blockchain in most cases is a meme (the idea relies that more legit people spending electricity on it than bad guys), but it could serve a purpose there.

On that note of sharing things though, it works fine with non-degenerates, but I'm not altogether convinced it scales. Most of those things (especially with no human actors) require trust on some level, so it's not going to be exactly simple.

For an example, would you loan a lawnmower to a random rapefugee who lives in the city? Odds are he doesn't have the money to pay for damages, were he to lose/steal it.

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>>133374901
It was time to start stocking up when the trucks of peace started rolling out.

>>133368603
The government will still need people to function and corporations will still need people to consume their products.

Corporations will pay a huge tax to the government to use automation (which will end up being cheaper than actually hiring people) and those left jobless will collect a money to simply consume, and give the corporations a reason to exist.

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>>133368603
Of course there's a solution. Just implement retraining programs and mass conscription and the problem is solved.

>>133395335
its possible that people will turn to androids for romance since they would be so agreeable

Another potential problem is inherent in all humans. And that is greed.

>Everyone get's a small piece of land.
>These robots can do all the work for us and all is good.
>Now I want a bigger plot than my neighbors.
>War.

We will always find something to fight over. Even with all that work (and counting fin anon, I forgot to take that in regard. The actual transition period will be hell indeed), people will always want more.

You would have to erase greed from every single human. But greed can also drive ambition. Ambition could drive greed.
Not to mention other vices that could potentially lead to war. But when we do start hacking peoples brains to accept their small plot of land. And to be satisfied with whatever the robots could create, do we also erase free will? And in the process kill our advancement as a species on this relatively small blue and green ball in this vast galaxy?

We either need an endless supply of land, or a way to take over the stars and the galaxy. Sending everyone into some sort of virtual reality (Think "The Matrix") assumes we could power such a thing indefinitely. Which we cannot do unless we find an endless source of power (and a endless storage for the information).

The sun could work, but that will eventually burn out.
And what about rules in this virtual reality? Does it become like today except we are immortal and can create anything within this endless space? Is friendly fire on? Or cannot we hurt each other in any way? Who regulates it so not a single human can make it impossible for others to create things they want/need?

Mfw when I'm thinking of us creating a fucking mmorpg on a virtual reality massive scale. I'm checking out of this thread. I am not ready for this next level philosophy.

>>133387630
>Heactuallyusesthespacebar

>>133395248
Sure, you don't sound like an
>unemployable faggot who believes he is smarten than everyone else
yourself. I'm afraid you're already behind the times, which is kind of sad, considering you're probably in your twenties.

>>133395361
I'm actually a software eng who is not a complete sperg, and therefore can also sell what they produce (that's what consultants do, you know).

But sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>133368603
augment our own brains to keep up. Elon musk, among others, has been looking into this for a while

I'm an Electrical Engineer who does Power Distribtion.
Automation can't touch me, also automation is evil.

>>133371302

Are you an idiot?

Do you have any idea the effect of 90% automation would have on production cost of things?

Aside from rare materials, the cost of literally everything derives entirely out of human labor.
Harvesting materials, recycling materials, transporting, assembling, commercializing, and so on. all is human labor.

If that's 90% automatic, that means everything costs 10 times less to make.
If things costs 10 times less to make, they would be accesible to 10 times the people.

This is all assuming that humans wont get OTHER jobs any way, as they have been doing since the industrial revolution.

Also, there are tons of work that machines have been doing better than humans for ages, and didn't replace humans at all. E.g. Playing music, painting, and other artistic, human endevours.
Teaching, taking care of elderly, etc are things that will remain for their human factor, because we don't want machines to do it, even if they could somehow do it.
So 80-90% is always going to be a ridiculous overstatement.

This basically when automation starts getting over, it will allow humans to work less hours a day, on less strenuous jobs that we don't want to do ... and share the easy work that we like more, as machines do the rest. As it has been happening since industrial revolution.

So stop justifying socialism because muh-automation. It's not happening. Work to live, offer something in exchange for something. Respect the value of working for your things, that makes people respect what they have, and what others have.

Also Universal Income is no different than NEET BUX
.>>133396936

>>133368603
luddite scum

>>133381798
Mai-chan's Daily Life is a guro manga and the source of that pic is actually Dead Tube a super edgy series about a super edgy boy that meets a super edgy girl.

>>133396569
either direct or liquid democracy or something similar combined with a robot peace keeping force would stop all conflicts, having satellites with hq video of your every move would stop people from fighting, heart rate monitors would tell you to calm down, AI could reason with you, i can list hundreds of reasons why war wouldnt happen after the singularity especially over something as trivial as land

>>133395919
A big part of the whole decentralized sharing shit, and other decentralized stuff, is reputation. So people would have a sort of credit like with anything else. But yeah, I see how it might be hard to scale, especially in America. We are diverse but people do still tend to live around one another, i.e. niggers could lend their shit to other niggers with low reputations. It does need a lot of work though, and I've heard rumors that the Ethereum team is kind of corrupt.

>>133397015
>Do you have any idea the effect of 90% automation would have on production cost of things?
>If things costs 10 times less to make, they would be accessible to 10 times the people.
>thinking the consumer is the beneficiary in all of this
Oh shit, you are as dumb as u r gay... get it? Okay, that was lame.

>This is all assuming that humans wont get OTHER jobs any way,
See >>133378960 this is different than the industrial revolution. There will be nothing left for the masses.

>Teaching, taking care of elderly, etc are things that will remain for their human factor, because we don't want machines to do it, even if they could somehow do it.
So you'll just pull this money out of your ass or something? I know you're not exactly bright, but the West can provide these things for their peoples because of the taxes from private enterprise and their employees. When more than half of the people are out of a job, where's the money coming from, Juan? Nowhere.

>This basically when automation starts getting over, it will allow humans to work less hours a day, on less strenuous jobs that we don't want to do
>...and everyone will live happily ever after in prosperity
No. That's not happening.

>>133368603
robots are a good thing. it means they can do all the work and people can just reap in the benefits. you might say that the world would than get lazy and fat and over crowded, but I think people will stop having kids and just start making more robots eventually puttining our brains in robot bodies. the only people who wont go along with this are religious fags and they'll die out and eventually the world will only be people with robot bodies living forever and exploring new worlds. we'll stop making people, it's a fact.

Nobody in this thread has a degree in CS.

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>>133398599
good contribution to a discussion about the future in general

>>133398861
>muh discussion
Your opinions and projections are literally as valid as reading tea leaves. There wasn't a good discussion in the first place.

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>>133399299
>muh opinions
>muh projections

go away you and your aneurism, you scurvy dog

>>133399515
>aneurism
Hi retard!

>>133368603
>t. NEET
find a job faggot

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>>133368603
I work in the media industry, good look trying to build a robit with a sense of humor :^)

>>133368603
>robots run out of lithium ion power
>robots become metal sissies
>robots dundu nuffin

>>133399299
Cool story, bro.
>Newsflash: nobody cares what you think

>>133368603
Yes, it's either this and massive class war or some form of UBI.

>>133368741
What is it like to have this little amount of imagination?

Guessing kind of similar to just being a beast. Without imagination and intelligence what are men besides biological machines following hardcoded instructions.

Stop promoting Automation. Shit is evil.

>>133371302
Not that I give a shit about jobs being automated and that you're helping to make it happen, but when you say it you sound like an enormous faggot.

>>133368603
>tfw criminal defense lawyer
>tfw constitution ensures I can never get automated

>>133400665
Automation is great without mass immigration.

We could've had a cosy society where robots did everything and we just enjoyed ourselves but no our world leaders had to inject millions of niggers/arabs/slavs into our countries to keep the good ol' GDP figures up.

>>133400305
how is like being barely sane, I imagine must be awesome living in a a fantasy-land with no realistic expectation for the future.

>>133401215
Thanks, sweetie, that means a lot coming from
>1 post by this ID

>>133401887
I disagree, look at this >>133374293
Universal Income is basically NEET BUX

>>133401949
Let me just take a moment to understand your opinion here.

Are you trying to claim that it is unlikely/impossible that humans will create machines to do all the work in society despite the current trend of technological growth indicating exactly that? For now it might just be repetitive actions and eliminating tedious work but that will change.

People are intelligent machines. It's a working example found in nature which can be used as a loose basis for what is and isn't possible to recreate.

Just for a benchmark since you probably don't keep up on these things, there are computers now that can be shown a picture and will describe it.

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>>133368603
You're such a faggot. The elite will simply kill off all the meatbags but a small breeding stock at that point.

Idiot mongrel subhuman, try to think a step ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h5qpXO3isM

>>133392063

Cant automate cross referencing witnesses or threading through laws, regulations and wording.

Can automate the computer based parts in regards to banking, but we all know bankers ar going to be there always as there needs to be someone to actually make the decisions based on the info the computers give.


What you *can* automate is more direct things, surgery, synthesising pharmaceuticals , manufacturing, things where something needs to be done rather than where a decision or certain point needs to be made. A line of argument in a court, a decision on a new plane design etc.

Although its going to take ages for a surgery robot to come to pass they will massively reduce accidental deaths, probably still need hands on paramedics though.

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>>133368603
>you were born just in time to fight in the robot wars

>>133376335
Came here to post this

The only solution is to mandate that each person has access to their own personal robot slave.

For protection/2nd amendment stuff, labour, sex, whatever...

As long as everyone has at least one its actually not that bad.

>>133368741
Never ever they said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22SvOhI47Tw